JavaScript disabled. Please enable JavaScript to use My News, My Clippings, My Comments and user settings.

If you have trouble accessing our login form below, you can go to our login page.

If you have trouble accessing our login form below, you can go to our login page.

AFL aims for indigenous all-stars trip to Ireland

Steven Verrier of the Tigers is tackled during the exhibition match between the Richmond Tigers and the Indigenous All-Stars at Traeger Park in Alice Springs earlier this year. The game was not televised.

Steven Verrier of the Tigers is tackled during the exhibition match between the Richmond Tigers and the Indigenous All-Stars at Traeger Park in Alice Springs earlier this year. The game was not televised. Photo: Getty Images

Andrew Demetriou's radical plan to take an indigenous all-stars team to Ireland now seems certain with cautious support from clubs and the cream of indigenous talent pledging to take part.

Demetriou put the bold proposal to his Irish football counterpart last week, having received pledges from indigenous stars Adam Goodes and Lance Franklin to tour with the revamped International Rules team to Ireland in October.

It is understood that Gaelic Athletic Association chiefs - after initially warming to the idea - have been debating the new concept and were due to respond in coming days.

The AFL had hoped to announce the tour on the eve of Saturday's Dreamtime game, but was awaiting the GAA response.

Demetriou has held two meetings at AFL headquarters with senior indigenous players with the most recent talks a fortnight ago. Aaron Davey, Patrick Ryder, Shaun Burgoyne, Lindsay Thomas and Nathan Lovett-Murray were among those present while players from every AFL state including Goodes and Jarrod Harbrow took part via a telephone hook-up.

AFL chiefs had already secured support from Franklin and teammate Cyril Rioli with Michael O'Loughlin almost certain to be appointed senior coach. Under the league's preferred scenario, Rodney Eade, who coached the last International Rules team, would also tour with the All-Stars. While the AFL Players' Association has not yet been consulted that body appears to harbour no significant objections.

The proposal, which has provoked some strong criticism, looks certain to have its detractors objecting to the discriminatory nature of the race-based selection. Not since the Aboriginal cricket team left Australia's shores to tour England in 1868 has a senior indigenous representative team been selected to play for Australia.

The move has come as not only the all-stars concept but also the International Rules series struggled to hold momentum. At last week's meeting of the AFL club chiefs, Sydney boss Andrew Ireland reportedly reminded the clubs that the indigenous all-stars had become something of a poor relation by comparison with its NRL version.

Although the AFL started the indigenous all-stars concept, the game this year was not televised and played in Alice Springs against Richmond after being cancelled in 2012 due to dangerous weather. The corresponding NRL version saw an indigenous team play a representative NRL all-stars side at a soldout Gold Coast Stadium and televised live.

The AFL fears that the all-stars concept could die out just as state of origin has while thriving in the NRL and proving a major part of that code's broadcast deal.

Similarly the International Rules has also struggled for support from players and clubs.

The AFL all-stars game had been constricted also because it fell under the league's contract with the Northern Territory government, a deal that now has been completed.

So concerned has the AFL been at the low indigenous numbers in both the VFL and the TAC competition that it has moved to field an indigenous under-18 side - the Laguntas - to play three invitational games in the TAC competition starting next month.

The long-term view is that the two International Rules Tests in October could prove a precursor to a tri-series to be held in Australia in 2015 involving indigenous, Gaelic and AFL all-stars sides. Alternatively, the two Australian representative teams could play off for the right to take on the Irish.

The subject of both documentaries and historic literary offerings, the 1868 touring cricket team was so popular it was scheduled to play 10 games but ultimately played 99 matches in 15 countries, spending 129 days away from home.

17 comments so far

  • Change Indigenous to Non Indigenous. How is this not racist ?

    Commenter
    black and white
    Date and time
    May 22, 2013, 8:27AM
    • Matt Rendell is selector

      Commenter
      Gaz
      Location
      Yarrawonga
      Date and time
      May 22, 2013, 9:09AM
    • "Non indigenous" excludes one particular group based on race. "Indigenous" is simply picking a football side from a particular group, and doesn't exclude a specific group based on race. I cannot believe this requires an explanation.

      Commenter
      Mick
      Location
      Mornington
      Date and time
      May 22, 2013, 10:00AM
    • @Mick

      Ok then, how about a "white" team - that is also simply picking a football side from a particular group, and not excluding per se.

      Commenter
      Roger
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 22, 2013, 10:39AM
    • I thought such a form of discrimination was illegal in this country. Oh wait I forgot that the laws only apply one way!

      Commenter
      Dan
      Location
      One country
      Date and time
      May 22, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Representive teams based on race?

    Commenter
    gman_au
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    May 22, 2013, 9:01AM
    • This would seem to be racism at its highest order.

      Commenter
      pepper
      Date and time
      May 22, 2013, 9:41AM
      • After seeing the passion with which they played in the practice match against Richmond I can do nothing but be in overwhelming support of this. The Irish series has struggled to attract the games stars, and the ones who do play seem somewhat disinterested. When the indigenous boys play on behalf of their people they are a near unstoppable force.

        Commenter
        Mick
        Location
        Mornington
        Date and time
        May 22, 2013, 9:55AM
        • An adventureous approach. But, how about and even more adventurous approach. Pick a representative team based on the abilities of the players and not their race.Totally off the wall ? However, you would find that the team would include people of a number of ethnic backgrounds that truely reflects the make up of the Australian community. I think the chemists have invaded the inner sanctum of the AFL - they must be taking something exotic to come up with this.

          Commenter
          Nicko
          Location
          Greenfields
          Date and time
          May 22, 2013, 10:48AM
          • Ahh, race-pride - what a way to stir interest in a game! Who cares that wherever racial-pride is encouraged the result is less social-cohesion? A new apartheid, courtesy of the AFL.

            Commenter
            Lee
            Location
            Melbourne
            Date and time
            May 22, 2013, 11:04AM

            More comments

            Make a comment

            You are logged in as [Logout]

            All information entered below may be published.

            Error: Please enter your screen name.

            Error: Your Screen Name must be less than 255 characters.

            Error: Your Location must be less than 255 characters.

            Error: Please enter your comment.

            Error: Your Message must be less than 300 words.

            Post to

            You need to have read and accepted the Conditions of Use.

            Thank you

            Your comment has been submitted for approval.

            Comments are moderated and are generally published if they are on-topic and not abusive.

            AFL 2015

            Round 1
            Thu, 02 AprTimes shown AEDT
            CAR 78vs RIC 105 Report Stats
            Sat, 04 AprTimes shown AEDT
            MEL 115vs GCF 89 Stats
            SYD 72vs ESS 60 Stats
            BRI 74vs COL 86 Stats
            WBU 97vs WCE 87 Stats
            Sun, 05 AprTimes shown AEST
            STK 78vs GWS 87 Stats
            ADE 140vs NTH 63 Stats
            FRE 75vs PTA 68 Stats
            Mon, 06 AprTimes shown AEST
            HAW 123vs GEE 61 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 2
            Fri, 10 AprTimes shown AEST
            WCE 131vs CAR 62 Stats
            Sat, 11 AprTimes shown AEST
            RIC 66vs WBU 85 Report Stats
            GWS 101vs MEL 56 Stats
            COL 63vs ADE 90 Report Stats
            GCF 76vs STK 104 Stats
            PTA 44vs SYD 92 Stats
            Sun, 12 AprTimes shown AEST
            GEE 60vs FRE 104 Stats
            ESS 78vs HAW 76 Stats
            NTH 133vs BRI 51 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 3
            Fri, 17 AprTimes shown AEST
            COL 140vs STK 66 Stats
            Sat, 18 AprTimes shown AEST
            CAR 84vs ESS 105 Stats
            ADE 80vs MEL 55 Stats
            SYD 111vs GWS 90 Report Stats
            NTH 105vs PTA 113 Stats
            BRI 58vs RIC 137 Stats
            Sun, 19 AprTimes shown AEST
            HAW 127vs WBU 57 Stats
            GEE 105vs GCF 96 Stats
            WCE 81vs FRE 111 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 4
            Fri, 24 AprTimes shown AEST
            RIC 51vs MEL 83 Stats
            Sat, 25 AprTimes shown AEST
            STK 81vs CAR 121 Report Report Stats
            ESS 49vs COL 69 Report Stats
            GWS 119vs GCF 53 Stats
            PTA 99vs HAW 91 Stats
            FRE 74vs SYD 60 Stats
            Sun, 26 AprTimes shown AEST
            BRI 65vs WCE 118 Stats
            GEE 67vs NTH 83 Stats
            WBU 125vs ADE 68 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 5
            Fri, 01 MayTimes shown AEST
            CAR 45vs COL 120 Stats
            Sat, 02 MayTimes shown AEST
            RIC 76vs GEE 85 Stats
            SYD 73vs WBU 77 Stats
            GCF 118vs BRI 54 Stats
            NTH 70vs HAW 130 Stats
            WCE 120vs GWS 33 Stats
            Sun, 03 MayTimes shown AEST
            MEL 50vs FRE 118 Stats
            STK 80vs ESS 82 Stats
            ADE 91vs PTA 115 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 6
            Fri, 08 MayTimes shown AEST
            COL 59vs GEE 100 Stats
            Sat, 09 MayTimes shown AEST
            NTH 109vs RIC 74 Stats
            WBU 87vs STK 94 Stats
            GWS 108vs HAW 98 Stats
            GCF 78vs ADE 119 Stats
            MEL 50vs SYD 88 Stats
            FRE 80vs ESS 52 Stats
            Sun, 10 MayTimes shown AEST
            CAR 75vs BRI 84 Report Stats
            PTA 68vs WCE 78 Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 7
            Fri, 15 MayTimes shown AEST
            ESS 82vs NTH 93 Stats
            Sat, 16 MayTimes shown AEST
            ADE 119vs STK 73 Stats
            HAW 155vs MEL 50 Stats
            CAR 57vs GWS 135 Stats
            SYD 120vs GEE 77 Stats
            WCE 135vs GCF 43 Stats
            Sun, 17 MayTimes shown AEST
            WBU 88vs FRE 101 Stats
            RIC 105vs COL 100 Report Stats
            BRI 102vs PTA 65 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 8
            Fri, 22 MayTimes shown AEST
            GEE 140vs CAR 63 Report Stats
            Sat, 23 MayTimes shown AEST
            STK 78vs WCE 131 Report Stats
            GWS 108vs ADE 84 Report Stats
            GCF 63vs COL 132 Report Stats
            HAW 69vs SYD 73 Report Stats
            FRE 115vs NTH 42 Report Stats
            Sun, 24 MayTimes shown AEST
            ESS 136vs BRI 78 Report Stats
            MEL 103vs WBU 64 Report Stats
            PTA 43vs RIC 76 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 9
            Fri, 29 MayTimes shown AEST
            SYD 122vs CAR 62 Report Stats
            Sat, 30 MayTimes shown AEST
            HAW 93vs GCF 40 Report Stats
            MEL 54vs PTA 115 Report Stats
            WBU 113vs GWS 68 Report Stats
            RIC 72vs ESS 59 Report Stats
            ADE 57vs FRE 68 Report Stats
            Sun, 31 MayTimes shown AEST
            BRI 86vs STK 108 Report Stats
            COL 112vs NTH 95 Report Stats
            WCE 120vs GEE 64 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 10
            Fri, 05 JunTimes shown AEST
            FRE 70vs RIC 97 Report Stats
            Sat, 06 JunTimes shown AEST
            CAR 90vs ADE 99 Report Stats
            GCF 41vs SYD 93 Report Stats
            ESS 53vs GEE 122 Report Stats
            PTA 100vs WBU 62 Report Stats
            Sun, 07 JunTimes shown AEST
            GWS 97vs BRI 67 Report Stats
            NTH 85vs WCE 75 Report Stats
            STK 69vs HAW 132 Report Stats
            Mon, 08 JunTimes shown AEST
            MEL 85vs COL 110 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 11
            Fri, 12 JunTimes shown AEST
            PTA 69vs GEE 92 Report Stats
            Sat, 13 JunTimes shown AEST
            GCF 46vs FRE 53 Report Stats
            WCE 96vs ESS 46 Report Stats
            NTH 75vs SYD 91 Report Report Stats
            Sun, 14 JunTimes shown AEST
            COL 119vs GWS 77 Report Stats
            STK 85vs MEL 83 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 12
            Thu, 18 JunTimes shown AEST
            ADE 85vs HAW 114 Report Stats
            Fri, 19 JunTimes shown AEST
            RIC 70vs WCE 90 Report Stats
            Sat, 20 JunTimes shown AEST
            CAR 110vs PTA 106 Report Stats
            GWS 61vs NTH 117 Report Stats
            WBU 146vs BRI 74 Report Stats
            Sun, 21 JunTimes shown AEST
            GEE 89vs MEL 113 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 13
            Thu, 25 JunTimes shown AEST
            FRE 80vs COL 73 Report Stats
            Fri, 26 JunTimes shown AEST
            SYD 77vs RIC 95 Report Stats
            Sat, 27 JunTimes shown AEST
            HAW 114vs ESS 76 Report Stats
            BRI 69vs ADE 82 Report Stats
            STK 56vs WBU 62 Report Stats
            Sun, 28 JunTimes shown AEST
            CAR 103vs GCF 69 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 14
            Thu, 02 JulTimes shown AEST
            SYD 94vs PTA 84 Report Stats
            Fri, 03 JulTimes shown AEST
            COL 91vs HAW 101 Report Stats
            Sat, 04 JulTimes shown AEST
            RIC 78vs GWS 69 Report Stats
            GCF 125vs NTH 70 Report Stats
            WBU 64vs CAR 53 Report Stats
            MEL 60vs WCE 114 Report Stats
            Sun, 05 JulTimes shown AEST
            ESS 52vs STK 162 Stats
            ADE vs GEE 15:20Adelaide Oval
            FRE 84vs BRI 48 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 15
            Thu, 09 JulTimes shown AEST
            PTA 66vs COL 63 Report Stats
            Fri, 10 JulTimes shown AEST
            RIC 71vs CAR 41 Report Stats
            Sat, 11 JulTimes shown AEST
            ESS 69vs MEL 60 Report Stats
            WBU 95vs GCF 73 Report Stats
            NTH 120vs GEE 79 Report Stats
            WCE 147vs ADE 91 Report Stats
            Sun, 12 JulTimes shown AEST
            GWS 84vs STK 49 Report Stats
            HAW 115vs FRE 43 Report Stats
            BRI 49vs SYD 70 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 16
            Fri, 17 JulTimes shown AEST
            NTH 93vs ESS 68 Report Stats
            Sat, 18 JulTimes shown AEST
            GEE 72vs WBU 64 Report Stats
            GCF 79vs GWS 94 Report Stats
            COL 56vs WCE 87 Report Stats
            SYD 57vs HAW 146 Report Stats
            FRE 95vs CAR 53 Report Stats
            Sun, 19 JulTimes shown AEST
            MEL 60vs BRI 36 Report Stats
            PTA 113vs ADE 116 Report Stats
            STK 73vs RIC 89 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 17
            Fri, 24 JulTimes shown AEST
            CAR 35vs HAW 173 Report Stats
            Sat, 25 JulTimes shown AEST
            GWS 42vs GEE 69 Stats
            ADE 125vs GCF 80 Stats
            RIC 78vs FRE 82 Stats
            ESS 116vs PTA 129 Stats
            BRI 38vs NTH 110 Report Stats
            Sun, 26 JulTimes shown AEST
            WBU 104vs COL 86 Report Stats
            MEL 46vs STK 83 Report Stats
            WCE 103vs SYD 51 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 18
            Fri, 31 JulTimes shown AEST
            HAW 53vs RIC 71 Report Stats
            Sat, 01 AugTimes shown AEST
            GEE 113vs BRI 57 Stats
            COL 54vs MEL 91 Report Stats
            SYD 117vs ADE 65 Report Stats
            CAR 54vs NTH 118 Report Stats
            GCF 83vs WCE 83 Report Stats
            Sun, 02 AugTimes shown AEST
            PTA 112vs STK 49 Report Stats
            ESS 40vs WBU 127 Report Stats
            FRE 84vs GWS 63 Report Stats
            View All Fixtures
            Round 19
            Fri, 07 AugTimes shown AEST
            ADE ($2.15)vs RIC ($1.70) 19:50Adelaide Oval
            Sat, 08 AugTimes shown AEST
            COL ($1.22)vs CAR ($4.35) 13:45MCG
            WBU ($1.73)vs PTA ($2.10) 14:10ES
            BRI ($2.45)vs GCF ($1.55) 16:35G
            GEE ($2.15)vs SYD ($1.70) 19:20SS
            WCE ($2.20)vs HAW ($1.67) 19:40Domain Stadium
            Sun, 09 AugTimes shown AEST
            MEL ($3.80)vs NTH ($1.27) 13:10MCG
            GWS ($1.33)vs ESS ($3.35) 15:20Spotless Stadium
            STK ($3.70)vs FRE ($1.28) 16:40ES
            View All Fixtures
            Round 20
            Fri, 14 AugTimes shown AEST
            SYD ($1.25)vs COL ($3.70) 19:50SCG
            Sat, 15 AugTimes shown AEST
            ESS ($2.50)vs ADE ($1.50) 13:45ES
            NTH ($1.28)vs STK ($3.50) 14:10BA
            PTA ($1.25)vs GWS ($3.70) 16:35Adelaide Oval
            GEE ($4.30)vs HAW ($1.20) 19:20MCG
            BRI ($1.70)vs CAR ($2.10) 19:20G
            Sun, 16 AugTimes shown AEST
            RIC ($1.15)vs GCF ($5.00) 13:10MCG
            WBU ($1.33)vs MEL ($3.15) 15:20ES
            FRE ($1.87)vs WCE ($1.87) 16:40Domain Stadium
            View All Fixtures
            Round 21
            Fri, 21 AugTimes shown AEST
            HAW ($1.18)vs PTA ($4.60) 19:50ES
            Sat, 22 AugTimes shown AEST
            COL ($2.35)vs RIC ($1.55) 13:45MCG
            GWS ($3.50)vs SYD ($1.28) 14:10Spotless Stadium
            GCF ($1.40)vs ESS ($2.95) 16:35MS
            STK ($2.80)vs GEE ($1.40) 19:20ES
            ADE ($1.08)vs BRI ($6.75) 19:40Adelaide Oval
            Sun, 23 AugTimes shown AEST
            NTH ($2.00)vs FRE ($1.75) 13:10ES
            CAR ($2.25)vs MEL ($1.60) 15:20MCG
            WCE ($1.18)vs WBU ($4.60) 16:40Domain Stadium
            View All Fixtures
            Round 22
            Fri, 28 AugTimes shown AEST
            GEE ($1.50)vs COL ($2.50) 19:50MCG
            Sat, 29 AugTimes shown AEST
            GWS ($1.22)vs CAR ($3.70) 13:45Spotless Stadium
            HAW ($1.01)vs BRI ($13.00) 14:10AS
            NTH ($1.70)vs WBU ($2.10) 16:35ES
            ESS ($5.00)vs RIC ($1.15) 19:20MCG
            GCF ($2.50)vs PTA ($1.50) 19:20MS
            Sun, 30 AugTimes shown AEST
            ADE ($2.95)vs WCE ($1.38) 13:10Adelaide Oval
            STK ($3.80)vs SYD ($1.25) 15:20ES
            FRE ($1.07)vs MEL ($7.50) 16:40Domain Stadium
            View All Fixtures
            Round 23
            Fri, 04 SepTimes shown AEST
            COL ($1.50)vs ESS ($2.50) 00:00MCG
            RIC ($1.70)vs NTH ($2.10) 00:00ES
            HAW ($1.01)vs CAR ($13.00) 00:00MCG
            GEE ($1.50)vs ADE ($2.50) 00:00SS
            SYD ($1.05)vs GCF ($8.00) 00:00SCG
            MEL ($1.87)vs GWS ($1.87) 00:00ES
            BRI ($3.05)vs WBU ($1.35) 00:00G
            PTA ($2.15)vs FRE ($1.65) 00:30Adelaide Oval
            WCE ($1.06)vs STK ($8.00) 02:00Domain Stadium
            View All Fixtures
            AFL 2015
            Overall standings
            Team P W L D % Pts
            Fremantle 17 15 2 0 127.06 60
            West Coast Eagles 17 13 3 1 154.43 54
            Hawthorn 17 12 5 0 164.23 48
            Sydney Swans 17 12 5 0 115.86 48
            Western Bulldogs 17 11 6 0 113.12 44
            Richmond 17 11 6 0 112.43 44
            North Melbourne 17 10 7 0 107.19 40
            Geelong Cats 16 9 7 0 102.42 38
            View all
             

            Follow Us on Facebook

            Featured advertisers