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No change to father-son bidding system for 2014

Darcy Moore may get to Collingwood for a bargain price.

Darcy Moore may get to Collingwood for a bargain price. Photo: Joe Armao

Sydney will be able to draft highly rated midfielder Isaac Heeney with a late first-round pick this year, with the AFL not ready to introduce its revamped bidding system.

Collingwood may also secure father-son draftee Darcy Moore for a bargain price, with the athletic key-position prospect and Heeney considered top-five prospects by many clubs.

The league is still in the process of examining and testing potential new bidding systems, to ensure clubs pay a fair price for top-line players drafted from the northern academies or as father-son selections, but has run out of time to introduce anything new this year with its next working group meeting not scheduled until next month.

Should it settle on a new system it would have plenty of time to introduce it in time for the 2015 draft, giving clubs ample opportunity to prepare for the changes.

Under a potential new model presented to clubs earlier this month, every pick in the draft would be assigned a certain number of points. 

Should a club match a bid for one of its father-son or academy players, it would have to provide enough points to match the bid, rather than do so with just one pick. Subtracting points from a later draft pick to match the bid would result in that pick being moved further down the draft order.

A discount could also be applied, given the hefty investment the Swans - as well as the Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney - have made in their academies. Those clubs that run father-son academies may also push for a discount.

But the league is still testing that system out on previous drafts, and will not change the current bidding process at all if it cannot come up with a better version.

Under the present system, clubs must use their next available choice in the draft to match a bid for one of their nominated players. For instance, North Melbourne used pick eight in the 2013 draft to secure Luke McDonald, matching West Coast's bid of pick six.

Bidding under the proposed new format could take place on draft day rather than the first day of the trade period, as it is now, giving clubs more time to assess the nominated players and decide which pick, if any, to bid for them.

9 comments so far

  • Why isn't Eddie up in arms about this? Surely he must be furious about teams picking up father-sons and academy players at bargain rates?

    Funny how quiet Ed goes when his team is the beneficiary.

    Commenter
    ChrisH
    Location
    Vic
    Date and time
    August 27, 2014, 3:57PM
    • Ed shoots from the hip with emotion fuelled rants when it suits him. The rest of the AFL clubs should be all over him like a rash on this one but there too spineless to speak out against him. Pridham must laughing his head off over the deafening silence. I suspect it will take more than Moore to fix the plummeting pies.

      Commenter
      Ross
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 27, 2014, 9:20PM
  • Why complicate, the current system works well doesn't it?

    Commenter
    Damo
    Date and time
    August 27, 2014, 8:34PM
    • I remember that when Eddie first became Collingwood President he would join in training with the players.By the looks of things that stopped some time ago.

      Commenter
      angst_in_antwerp
      Location
      Highett
      Date and time
      August 27, 2014, 8:45PM
      • Solution, get rid of the father son crap now, it does not belong anymore in a Free Agency era, there is no reason a club should have any access to a possibly GREAT player just because his father played for club X, it is wrong and does not belong any more with the introduction of free agency. No other league in the world does it, but obviously it suits the players somehow.

        Commenter
        Michael
        Date and time
        August 27, 2014, 9:14PM
        • Couldn't agree more.

          Commenter
          Ross
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          August 27, 2014, 9:50PM
        • Couldn't agree less.

          Commenter
          EyesWide
          Location
          Melb
          Date and time
          August 28, 2014, 8:05AM
      • to the AFL keep the accandopmie ie New South Wales & Qiuensland for Sydney, Greater Western Sydney Giants, Brisbane & the GOld Coast Suns. al;already the Gold Coast Suns are gaining supporters from the Gold Ciast Titans NRL Team & due to Lance Franklin coming to Sydney even Rugby Leagu fans are copming ti watch Sydney Swans morec so than 1995. Even in te Northern Ruivers miore kids are playing AFL than before

        Commenter
        JASON & MELISSA
        Location
        BOROINA & FERNTREE GULLY
        Date and time
        August 28, 2014, 7:04AM
        • If Peter Moore had played 23 more games for Melbourne, would they have been able to out bid Collingwood for his services under the father-son rule?

          The father son rule has been a joke since Bryce Gibbs was denied to Adelaide due to late rule change, but Brad Ebert was allowed to go to Port Adelaide despite being ineligible. Expert a future rule change is a budding superstar looks like being available to Adelaide or Freo.

          Commenter
          VivR
          Location
          Adelaide
          Date and time
          August 29, 2014, 9:20AM

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