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Trade period latest: Viney goes to Dees with second round pick

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Scott Spits, with staff reporters

Potential Melbourne father-son draftee Jack Viney (right) trains with the Demons.

Potential Melbourne father-son draftee Jack Viney (right) trains with the Demons. Photo: Paul Rovere

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At a glance:

  • Joe Daniher to Essendon for draft pick 10 (father-son)
  • Jack Viney to Melbourne for pick 26 (father-son)
  • Lachie Hunter to Western Bulldogs for pick 46. (father-son)
  • Gold Coast has swapped pick two with GWS for WA pre-listed under-age utility Jack Martin
  • Melbourne is believed to be close to securing a trade of pick three (and possibly pick 13) with GWS for pre-listed under-age key position star Jesse Hogan and pick 20
  • GWS may end up with picks one, two and three in November's national draft 
Jack Martin, from Claremont, at the NAB AFL Draft Combine at Etihad Stadium.

Jack Martin, from Claremont, at the NAB AFL Draft Combine at Etihad Stadium. Photo: Ken Irwin KEN

The Age's List Manager draft and trade index: click here.

11.08am GWS has played a role in the complex deal which has sent Jack Viney to Melbourne for only a second round draft pick. Gold Coast traded its pick two to GWS for pre-listed 16-year-old Jack Martin, meaning they did not bid for Viney. Michael Gleeson reports that Melbourne is close to securing a trade for its pick three (and possibly pick 13) to GWS for WA pre-listed key position star Jesse Hogan. Neither Martin or Hogan will be able to play in 2013, as they are too young, but both are extremely highly-rated. If Melbourne uses both picks No.3 and No.13 to secure Jesse Hogan, it could complicate their efforts to snare Collingwood big man Chris Dawes. It was believed the Demons would have to use the No.13 pick as part of a deal to get the out-of-favour Magpie

This morning's dealings leave GWS with picks 1 and 2 in November's national draft.

Lachie Hunter, from the Western Jets.

Lachie Hunter, from the Western Jets. Photo: Ken Irwin

10.38am Gold Coast has traded its pick two in the national draft to GWS for the right to 16-year-old utility Jack Martin, who was pre-listed in the 17-year-old and under mini-draft. It is the same route the Suns took with highly-rated midfielder Jaeger O'Meara last year. O'Meara was too young to play AFL last season, and learnt his trade in the NAFL in the Suns reserves. The Suns had been expected to use pick two to bid for Melbourne father-son selection Jack Viney, which would have forced the Demons to use their pick three. He was eventually taken with pick 26.

10.20am The AFL has confirmed that a trade will shortly be announced. It is expected to involve Gold Coast's number two pick, which was freed up after discussions with Melbourne which enabled the Demons to use a second-round pick (26), instead of pick three, to secure father-son selection Jack Viney.

Port Adelaide nominated its No.7 pick overall for both Jack Viney and Joe Daniher, forcing Melbourne to use No.26 to secure Viney and Essendon to use pick No.10 on Daniher

North Melbourne nominated its No.35 selection for Lachie Hunter, a father-son target for the Western Bulldogs. That means the Bulldogs will use their third round pick, No. 46 overall, selection to secure Hunter. His father Mark played 130 games for the Dogs. Forward/midfielder Hunter joins recent father-son recruits Ayce Cordy (2008), Mitch Wallis and Tom Liberatore (both 2010) at Whitten Oval.

Strongly-built WA key position star Jesse Hogan has been compared to Jonathan Brown.

Strongly-built WA key position star Jesse Hogan has been compared to Jonathan Brown. Photo: Ken Irwin KEN

10.14am It is now confirmed that Melbourne will use only its second round pick (26) to secure highly-rated father-son selection Jack Viney. After a dreadful season on and off the field, the news is a major fillip for the beleaguered Demons, who say they are "delighted" to maintain their prized first-round selections.

Melbourne list manager Tim Harrington said his club will now be pursuing its trading "as best we can" after maintaining its first-round picks.

They have indicated that picks four and 13 could now be in play to help secure a trade. They have also confirmed that they are in the running for former Gold Coast midfielder Josh Caddy.

Joe Daniher marks while playing for Vic Metro against Western Australia.

Joe Daniher marks while playing for Vic Metro against Western Australia. Photo: Joe Armao

"We're absolutely thrilled that he goes out in the second round," Harington said of Viney.

"Yes it is (a brilliant result) .... Obviously we've had Jack in our system for 12 months, but not knowing whether he's going to be your player or not because of the way the bidding system works (there) was always a bit of anxiety.

"Now that we've got him we're really pleased.

Harrington said that his club would have used pick number three on Viney, and he believed there were other clubs which rated him that highly.

"We're just really thrilled with the result.

"Him going out to 26 means that we have the ability to use our other picks to get other deals done. That's what we'll work on from here on end."

9.57am Much-feted key position prospect Joe Daniher has arrived at Etihad Stadium, Bombers polo in hand, chatting happily with club officials. The dominant marking sensation, son of former Bomber tall Anthony Daniher, who played 118 games for the Bombers between 1987 and 1994, will be selected by Essendon with pick 10.

Standing 201cm tall and weighing 90kg, the ruckman-forward earned All-Australian selection after his standout performances for Vic Metro at this year’s AFL Under-18 National Championships. Joe was also named in the TAC Cup Team of the Year despite playing just seven games for the Calder Cannons.

"To now be officially part of the football club is something I've aspired to do for so long," said Daniher.
 
"I’ve spent the past year training by myself at Windy Hill, so while most of the guys will probably be dreading a big pre-season, I can’t wait."

Coach James Hird said Daniher has the maturity to handle his high ranking.

"We're not going to set any expectations for when Joe will play, we just want him to continually improve and work hard, and if we think he’s ready to play, he will."

It is suspected a side deal involving Gold Coast and Melbourne was being thrashed out as late as 8.45am this morning.

The three father-son choices, made at 10am, will have a bearing, in particular, on the futures of Magpie players Chris Dawes (71 games, 83 goals) and Sharrod Wellingham (92 games, 55 goals), both members of Collingwood's 2010 premiership team.

Melbourne was expected to use its first pick — third overall — to secure Viney as a father-son recruit, with the Gold Coast predicted to nominate its first pick to bid for the highly talented inside midfielder. Under the bidding system, the Demons had to use their first pick, if Greater Western Sydney or Gold Coast, which have the first two picks, bid for Viney.

The loss by the Suns of Josh Caddy may have in part helped persuade them to bid for Viney as a replacement for the tough inside midfielder.

If Melbourne had been forced to use its first pick on Viney, it would have scuppered plans for the ambitious deal to trade pick four to Collingwood for key forward Chris Dawes and pacy midfielder Sharrod Wellingham.

Melbourne has indicated it would prefer to keep one live early pick in the draft.

That deal already looked unlikely to come to fruition after Wellingham nominated West Coast as the club he wanted to move to and flew out of the country, leaving the negotiations to his manager.

Clubs are also expecting Brisbane or Port Adelaide to bid for Joe Daniher, forcing the Bombers to use their first-round pick — number 10 — on the tall key-position player and son of former player Anthony. It was uncertain if any club intends to bid for Bulldog father-son nominee Lachie Hunter.

Dawes is contracted to Collingwood for 2013, but is canvassing opportunities at other clubs after the Magpies picked up former Eagle Quinten Lynch last week. The 209-game 30-year-old will take over a role as a key forward target and second ruckman, the position Dawes filled this season. If the Dawes-Wellingham combination deal is not done, the Magpies may yet be major players in the first round of the draft. They could get pick No. 13 from Melbourne for Dawes and the Eagles' first-round pick at No. 17 for Wellingham.

This morning, Collingwood's General Manager of Football Operations Geoff Walsh said "a number of clubs" had contacted the club's recruiting chief Derek Hine in the past three or four days with enquiries about Dawes, and he expected formal discussions with them to begin today.

When asked about Wellingham's preference to return home to West Australia, Walsh made no guarantees that the premiership midfielder will get his wish.

"We try to do the right thing by the Collingwood Football Club and if all the individual players fit in around that... well and good."

Ollie Wines, a longtime friend, schoolmate and rival of Viney, and a fellow draft aspirant, told Emma Quayle last week of the qualities that have made Viney a hot property.

"Over time he's become a really strong leader, not just on the field but off it as well; he's so strong-minded and he speaks so well. Everyone likes him and respects Jack because he works as hard as he can. He's got an old head on young shoulders, as they say."

The Demons made a five-year commitment to Viney in 2010, and he played several games this year with their VFL affiliate Casy Scorpions. Viney's father Todd is Melbourne's head of development. He played 233 games for the Demons between 1987 and 1999.

The main talking point amongst other possible trades will be discussions between Sydney and Adelaide over the trade for key forward Kurt Tippett. The Crows appear likely to play hardball with the highly valuable tall forward/ruckman after he shocked the football world at the weekend by nominating the Swans, not Gold Coast or Brisbane as his preferred club. It had been assumed that Tippett would seek to return to his Queensland home.

 

 

21 comments so far

  • Essendon with daniher,Other clubs should bid for him as he is a great talent.I think a club done that with Mitchell of the Swans.

    Commenter
    syd58
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    October 08, 2012, 10:12AM
    • Cannot wait to see Joe Daniher debut next year.

      Commenter
      Bomberman
      Location
      Essendon
      Date and time
      October 08, 2012, 10:21AM
      • Well, I can.

        Essendon are rubbish.

        Commenter
        Kam i Am
        Location
        Arden Street. North Melbourne.
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 10:30AM
      • Yes it should be good, he is an exciting prospect and things are looking up for the Bombers for sure.

        Kam I am - not sure we can say the same thing about the Roos with your best apalyer- the aging "Boomer" Harvey out for the 6 games.

        Commenter
        Tim
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 12:01PM
      • @Kam I Am, get a life and show some support for the young talent that's about to join the league. As it turns out, I can't wait to see Jack Viney and a host of other debut too!

        Commenter
        Bomberman
        Location
        Essendon
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 12:08PM
      • @Tim,

        Boomer Harvey has another 5 years left in him. I'm not worried about 6 weeks.

        and @Bomberman,

        I have a life. I wind up essendon supporters. It's fun.;-)

        Commenter
        Kam i Am
        Location
        Arden St, North Melbourne
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 1:26PM
      • Yeh no worries @Kam i Am, but the question remains, will 'what' you do for a life bring a fifth flag to Arden St? Yep, you guessed right!
        Just a few notes: 1. QF 2000, 2. 16 Flags, 3. Hamish Mac on the siren, 4. Double the membership, 5. 2012 Brownlow medallist, etc. Hope you enjoyed watching the elimination final this year, Boomer's got 2 years at best left in him... well 2 years minus the six weeks!
        Cheers mate.

        Commenter
        Bomberman
        Location
        Essendon
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 1:40PM
      • @Bomberman,

        sounds like i hit a raw nerve.

        its no good winning the brownlow, if ya team no makee the finals.

        16 flags. Sure. but oly a couple of legit ones.

        How many since 1994?

        Kangas 2 flags
        Bombers 1 flag.

        Double the membership is purely a result of geography, and inner city light industrial zoning laws, over the past 150 years, starving us of actual people who live in North Melbourne.

        Yes, double the membership, but more disliked by EVERYBODY else, even more than collingwood. And that is saying a lot.

        ok, the Hamish Mac on the siren hurts a little bit...;-(

        But the bombers blowing it in 1999, and not even making the GF has to hurt even more!! What a waste of talent. 1 flag from all that talent. Ouch.

        But, that why we have put him up for trade bait!

        Thats the rule down at kangaland. If ya dont kick strait, you're out! Thats why we dont want buddy.

        Anyway, lets meet again at the end of next season, in these forum pages, and see who finishes higher on the ladder. North or Essendon.....

        Commenter
        Kam i Am
        Location
        Arden St
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 3:19PM
    • How is Port Adelaide allowed to bid for BOTH F/S (Viney and Daniher) with the one pick? That compromises the process in my opinion.

      Commenter
      DJCJ
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      October 08, 2012, 10:33AM
      • Lucky your opinion counts for nothing.....

        Commenter
        Countin' The Silverware
        Location
        VIsy Park
        Date and time
        October 08, 2012, 12:48PM

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