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Federal Budget 2014: Politics Live, May 13

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  • I listened to Clive tonight on the ABC and I liked what I heard - It will be interesting time in the Senate after July 1st .

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    May 13, 2014, 10:11PM
    • Hockey says “I say to the Australian people, every dollar we spend in this parliament comes from you. If we can get on with the job of fixing this budget, then you and your family will benefit ..."

      Wondering if that includes his Cubans and mates weddings, Iron man events, libraries, book shelves.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Date and time
      May 13, 2014, 9:57PM
      • Well there you have it all the lies and broken promise out in the open, the LNP grubby underbelly exposed to all. All wrapped up in a false bundle of our kids future, mind you they have successfully disregarded the environment the one thing that the children of the future will truly suffer for.

        Commenter
        Get Real
        Location
        No future here
        Date and time
        May 13, 2014, 9:41PM
        • Tony Abbott will lose the next election because of the Medicare changes. Chris Bowen for PM.

          Commenter
          JS
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          May 13, 2014, 9:39PM
          • How many people can see the elephant in the room? Smoke and mirrors about what higher tax actually means. Those people who earn that much aren't stupid, and they have enough education and ability to organise, or re-organise their finances so that they don't have to pay 49% tax. viz Kerry Packer's famous statement. Bluff and bull---t. Have we ever had a dumber lot down there on the hill?

            Commenter
            Half-a-brain
            Date and time
            May 13, 2014, 9:37PM
            • Rudd / Swan, Gillard / Swan sent this country into serious debt through reckless unaccountable and frivolous spending. As for Chris Bowen saying about the extra cost that is being thrusted upon US, seems like he completely forgot the extra cost of the Carbon Tax on EVERYONE Australian household.

              Commenter
              Neva Again
              Date and time
              May 13, 2014, 9:35PM
              • When are you lot ever going to understand that a budget deficit is an inevitable conclusion in weak economic conditions (caused by the GFC) and it wasn't Labor that caused the GFC.....some people just don't get it ...ever.

                Commenter
                JT
                Date and time
                May 13, 2014, 9:44PM
            • The budget does what it needs to do: start reducing the enormous debt Labour has left us with. Does it hurt? Yes, but we have the previous governments to thank us for that.

              Commenter
              M
              Date and time
              May 13, 2014, 9:34PM
              • Which is currently 20% of GDP ($300 billion of $1500 billion GDP? Probably the lowest debt in the western world. .

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                May 13, 2014, 10:00PM
            • To the British High Commission,

              Your Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles apparently must be applauding the Prime Minister of Australia's destruction of the sciences in Australia.

              This is particularly sad for the British Monarchy as we all thought that the members of the British Monarchy sought to improve research funding for science, climate change and renewable energy. But with the Queen's approval of Tony Abbott's hatred for science, the Royal family obviously don't give two hoots about science or Australia.

              So therefore, I think it really is time for Australia to become a Republic and we should cut all ties to the Queen and to the British Monarchy.

              As Queen Elizabeth supports Tony Abbott, the Queen will have to rely on other members of the Commonwealth for pocket money and luxury trips from now on.

              Australia must become a Republic so that we are able to sack our so-called Prime Ministers or Presidents.

              Commenter
              Sharron
              Location
              Canberra
              Date and time
              May 13, 2014, 9:30PM
              • Royal protocol dictates the royal family and in particular the monarch show in any way any political bias whatsoever. In short the Queen is above politics and certainly has no say whatsoever in what Abbott says or does.

                No, I am not a monarchist.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                May 13, 2014, 9:49PM
              • And Pen, that is exactly why we have to sack the Queen.

                Commenter
                Sharron
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                May 13, 2014, 10:00PM
            • One of many questions coming to my mind on many points....Hypothetically if you are a 20 something who has worked a few jobs, has a couple of small kids and suddenly finds yourself out of work You apply for multiple jobs, but don't seem to have much luck. You cannot claim the dole for 6 months. This is going to be horrendous for some families who are forced into unemployment through no fault of their own. Why penalise them?

              Commenter
              Firie75
              Location
              Wentworth Falls
              Date and time
              May 13, 2014, 9:28PM
              • This Abbott character went to the election claiming that the carbon tax hurt working families......well the hypocrite has just totally destroyed working families, pensioners and the young...if any of those vote for him again....then they are the dumbest of the dumb.

                Commenter
                JT
                Date and time
                May 13, 2014, 9:26PM
                • A Country gal has taken a creative writing course... congratulations I do hope it doesnt effect the laughs you give me. Did you pass the course ? Did they teach you how to show respect for Tony Abbott and advise you to be careful what you wish for. You may even finish up with Shorten... Have a nice day. ( Ive said it before but I do believe you should get out more)You know mix with more informed people , that sort of thing.

                  Commenter
                  Bob Young
                  Location
                  Gold Coast....
                  Date and time
                  May 13, 2014, 9:18PM
                    • There are plenty of informed people on this blog tonight who don't share your views.....I'd say you are in the minority when trying to find your soulmate!

                      Commenter
                      JT
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:23PM
                    • Typical response from a queenslander. queenslanders made the most of julia gillard's "flood" funds to you people.

                      Have you bought enough houses down here yet bob young? Have you finished bleeding the "people of the south" dry?

                      Commenter
                      Sharron
                      Location
                      Canberra
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:35PM
                    • Thank you for your pearls of wisdom Bob. I am not afforded to get out that much these days like your kind self. I trust I can continue to make you laugh (at my expense) or with me and that my new increased and worldly talents have not gone astray with the $40 I invested, (that's actually a substantial investment) when you live on a meagre gift from 'your' hard earned taxes. I unfortunately and realistically envisage it will not lead to winning a Booker Prize though, because most of the damn time I'm feeling like crap-and best I can do is join discussions like this.
                      Once again Bob I thank you, not just for your sincerity and thinking of me, but for your candid and refreshing appraisal of me.
                      Love you too, kisses and hugs........
                      Forever yours.....

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:41PM
                    • @ Bob Young:

                      ['Ive said it before but I do believe you should get out more. You know mix with more informed people, that sort of thing.']

                      If you've said it before, why the repetition(?).

                      Maybe ACG is not well enough to get out and 'mix with more informed people.'

                      Indeed, there are more than enough 'informed' people on this site without the need to step outside.

                      Try articulating an argument respecting the subject at hand, rather than attacking the person whose views you're evidently not enamoured of.

                      Commenter
                      Jason of Gold Coast
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:54PM
                    • BTW Bob, I visited 'your Gold Coast' when I escaped my myopic and insular world a few years ago Bob, and I was not very impressed. What I witnessed was a place that was a Sign Writers paradise, forget the Surfers bit. From the NSW border to Townsville your 'world' was something savaged by the 'white shoe' lot, that didn't sit with me very comfortably.
                      Love, cuddles and kisses.........
                      Hope Smokin Joe has looked after your interests and all that dosh can fit in your cryogenic container ready for your next life.

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 10:05PM
                  • Pensioner cuts is a big social problem looming for Australia.....they have no way of generating any wealth if they have none now....and Hockey just doesn't care...he will be OK in old age.

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    May 13, 2014, 9:15PM
                    • Pensioners will suffer, they will have to pay the same higher prices for food and services that those with more income will pay. As for higher medical charges many require multiple scripts every month, recurring blood test and scans all of which will carry a higher cost. Many will forego medications and tests and risk their health or worse. But the there's Joes answer, less will live to a ripe old age because they will not be able to afford it. Well done Hockey. NOT!

                      Commenter
                      Michaeljgb
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:34PM
                  • Coalition have loss my vote!!!....have voted Coalition for over 25 yrs.

                    Commenter
                    Libnet
                    Location
                    vic
                    Date and time
                    May 13, 2014, 9:10PM
                    • The treasurers wife dress is worth about $600 says it all really, that's my seniors supplement.

                      Commenter
                      Amro
                      Date and time
                      May 13, 2014, 9:03PM
                      • Labor needs to stop being apologists for middle income earners who refuse to take responsibility for their own decisions. A fair dinkum safety net for the poor is essential, but beyond that hard decisions need to be made. Labor was too spineless to do it so now they should just get out of the way. Good budget Joe.

                        Commenter
                        Flanders
                        Date and time
                        May 13, 2014, 9:01PM
                        • Seriously, I mean seriously?
                          - Unaffordable Platinum plated PPL scheme
                          - Unaffordable company tax cut
                          - Reduction in the living standard for the less well off.

                          Yeah, great budget of broken promises and confirmed lies.

                          Commenter
                          Rational Thinker
                          Date and time
                          May 13, 2014, 9:25PM
                        • Agree the PPL is a dog. Much better to have redirected it to low income groups. But still way better than anything Swan ever came up with in Government. Seriously!

                          Commenter
                          Flanders
                          Date and time
                          May 13, 2014, 10:04PM
                      • The real losers include those between 22 and 30.
                        I have to ask in all fairness what someone who starts work at 18, paid tax for six years, and loses their job at 24 or so has done to deserve this kick in the teeth.

                        Commenter
                        but...
                        Date and time
                        May 13, 2014, 8:45PM
                        • Yes agree, they seem to have targeted specific social and class groups. The young are vulnerable and they don't, like older workers or groups have anyone much to stand up and speak for them. Here is this stereotype being repetitively played that our young disenfranchised are there by choice.
                          I hope they can or their agents mobilise and have some loud voices against these discriminatory policies. how are these young workers/ex workers meant to feed and house themselves when they fall on hard times. Mum and Dad aren't always there.
                          This mob are intent on creating problems, not solutions.
                          It's all part of an agenda. Sad. Deunionise, cut minimum wage blah, blah, blah.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          May 13, 2014, 9:05PM
                        • Its called not being male, pale and stale.
                          Its called this is what the tea party demands.
                          Its called how else will the Lieberal Party's backers and sponsors make a profit if the young unemployed don't take out huge loans and go into debt to pay for training courses and qualifications that wont get them a job (because the jobs don't exist) but will line the pockets of the owners of the new private for profit universities and training institutions. Keep up - the next boom is in the tertiary education sector - all paid for with Government "loans".

                          Commenter
                          Lyn
                          Date and time
                          May 13, 2014, 9:14PM
                      • Ahh Hacka finally it's in front of you , now do you understand what it's going to do to ordinary Australia's or is that beyond your brainpower . Go and do something for this great country , I'll leave it at that...

                        Commenter
                        Supa350
                        Location
                        Wodonga
                        Date and time
                        May 13, 2014, 8:44PM
                        • Low interest rates, low unemployment, low inflation, strong AUD....what better time for a country in such a strong economic position to deliver a frugal budget?
                          Makes sense to me, Joe :)

                          Commenter
                          Sam
                          Date and time
                          May 13, 2014, 8:40PM
                          • About time cuts were made to the family tax benifits!!! Sick of paying out my hard earns tax dollars to people who have kids!!! Complete discrimation it was to not get anything back in return to those who aren't over populating the world

                            Commenter
                            Kristy
                            Date and time
                            May 13, 2014, 8:31PM
                            • So the no new taxes, no broken promise are officially confirmed as pre-election lies.

                              The new big tax, the ridiculous company tax cut, the unaffordable PPL should all be blocked by the senate.

                              Abbott and Hockey really have no sense of their hypocrisy and definitely no shame.

                              Commenter
                              Rational Thinker
                              Date and time
                              May 13, 2014, 8:30PM
                              • One year pay freeze on mp wages. These politicians think the people are idiots. One term liberals. Not voting anymore for D grade people.

                                Commenter
                                michaelm
                                Date and time
                                May 13, 2014, 8:30PM
                                • Can any of the politicians seriously understand the cost of basic living on those huge wages? Do any of then need payment plans for their bills? Worry about their health or how much it will cost to see a specialist? I bet not! So how dare they say "they understand and share the pain!!!

                                  Commenter
                                  Katrina
                                  Date and time
                                  May 13, 2014, 8:29PM
                                  • In a word no, they are career politicians.
                                    They are so removed from reality, unless that reality is rubbing shoulders with the big end.
                                    Time the voters started to endorse people who actually represent us again. Hey, imagine a Fred Daly again in the house or for that matter even a Menzies.
                                    It is up to us, to make for change.

                                    Commenter
                                    A country gal
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 9:21PM
                                • Joe Hockey in his budget speech concluded that the Government did not want to leave the next generations in debt and that everyone must share the load. However, if this is the Governments objective, why then is the Government not looking to restrict tax rorts including negative gearing, capital gains tax concessions, superannuation loopholes, diesel fuel excise and tax cuts for the big multinational mining companies. The budget does nothing but leave the future generations beholden to debt. This Government continues to govern for big business and boomers only.

                                  Commenter
                                  Jb
                                  Date and time
                                  May 13, 2014, 8:28PM
                                  • Negative gearing you advise us is sinful and should be cut out. You are perhaps too young to remember. Paul Keating tried to cut it out in his terms and the rents in Sydney Melbourne and other parts of the country went up dramatically. You probably not understand ,but if people invest in real estate they need some encouragement. If your a renter I advise you to pray negative gearing is not removed. Your rent will rise. . Even the slow learning Labor Government got the message. Have a nice day but be careful what you wish for. .

                                    Commenter
                                    Bob Young
                                    Location
                                    Gold Coast....
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 9:11PM
                                  • Whilst it is correct that some rents rose (apparently only in a small area in Sydney) after Hawke quarantined rental property losses (only on new transactions) to rental property income in July '85, your memory must be failing as you seem not to recall that Hawke only introduced the right to deduct losses against all income just 6 months before the quarantining measure (thus in effect reverting to the original position that only permitted deductability against rental property income).
                                    There was no evidence that the quarantining led to an Australia wide rental price increase. Indeed it is not feasible that this was the effect of the quarantining, given that the liberalisation of the deductability had only been introduced 6 months before and only affected transactions entered into in that 6 month period.

                                    Commenter
                                    Lyn
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 9:32PM
                                • I am so fed up with the sheeples of this nation. I came from working class, worked my butt off (average 80 hrs a week with no overtime), spent thousands of dollars on education, and got ahead to earn a decent income. I didn't have kids and I have never claimed a benefit. I pay the highest tax and I am fed up with being labelled wealthy. If you want a better life, get off your backside and make it happen like the rest of us! I am so over it, I don't actually now have to pay a cent in budget for my supposedly huge salary and that's exactly what 'm going to do that. So all the freeloaders and timewasters - wake up !! I always support those who cant help themselves, that's about 2% of the nation, the rest are self inflicted whiners!

                                  Commenter
                                  FEDUP
                                  Date and time
                                  May 13, 2014, 8:28PM
                                  • What a co-incidence, I'm fed up too...especially with people who pretend their success never involved or was aided by the hard work of other people. Just because you're sneering and selfish doesn't mean we all should be...get back to talkback radio.

                                    Commenter
                                    pugwash
                                    Location
                                    earth
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 8:57PM
                                • Credit where credit is due. I really like Julie Bishops new hairdo. it suits her and a big step out of her 80's disco look. There's always some positive in the bad.
                                  Best I could do.

                                  Commenter
                                  A country gal
                                  Date and time
                                  May 13, 2014, 8:17PM
                                  • You must be kidding ACG she looks 10 years older and I'm all for praise when its due.

                                    Commenter
                                    Amro
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 9:12PM
                                  • I did say I tried to give some praise, you know be positive- about something!

                                    Commenter
                                    A country gal
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 10:20PM
                                • "After we have prudently budgeted for future taxation relief" - Treasurer...... i.e. we have allowed for tax sweeteners as part of our next election push....
                                  Long term thinking only goes so far eh? If they were really serious about the long term they would be putting in long term programs to improve education, health, etc. not just distributing money back to voters to get re-elected

                                  Commenter
                                  Listener
                                  Date and time
                                  May 13, 2014, 8:16PM
                                  • Unions are a joke. They only help people who they know can win.

                                    Commenter
                                    Dissappointed voter.
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 8:16PM
                                    • Yes, I agree. I've always wondered what the AMA and BC were up to. The Coal Association always appears self interested too. The again there's that other union mob the IPA, wish they would go on strike and do us a favour-a permanent one.

                                      Commenter
                                      A country gal
                                      Date and time
                                      May 13, 2014, 8:40PM
                                  • How much are those suits sacrificing? I'm upset enough listening to this budget but to sit here watching tony sit there laughing is like adding salt to the wound of many Australians

                                    Commenter
                                    Katrina
                                    Date and time
                                    May 13, 2014, 8:11PM
                                    • Dear Hacka,(or whoever you are within the liberal party)

                                      Your comments are way off the mark. There is definately need for many changes but the cause has not all been Labor.
                                      Please use some sense when issuing your statements. The world in general is still not as good a condition as our economy. To ensure we continue -yes- we do need to make some changes but please stop your blaming Labor - the previous Liberal party had a good hand in several of the issues currently costing us as well .

                                      A good constructive comment by you recognising that not everything the Abbott/Hockey Government is doing is right and also the rate they are breaking the pre election promises must be the worst there has ever been.

                                      Commenter
                                      peter@epping
                                      Date and time
                                      May 13, 2014, 8:11PM
                                      • Don't waste your time, Peter, Hacka takes great comfort in being deliberately offensive to those with a sense of social fairness, and political ethics.

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        May 13, 2014, 8:16PM
                                      • Peter, agree with pen- you are attempting to change a hack. Best I can recommend is a bulk order of CRC and try and prize him off.
                                        Do note a little veer though. Read his posts from awhile back. Starting to be a bit apologetic and a new tact.
                                        Perhaps he learnt it whilst sailing Sydney Harbour. There is a definite change though.
                                        And note he will not appraise this budget in a positive manner, because frankly that will be impossible. He will do what he knows, SPIN.

                                        Commenter
                                        A country gal
                                        Date and time
                                        May 13, 2014, 8:36PM
                                    • our young people 18-and over can be sent overseas to fight with the possibility to be killed. does that mean that those young people who have served overseas and have left the armed forces for what ever reason and have not been able to find paid employment will be classed as children and only be paid youth allowance if they are under 25 ?

                                      Commenter
                                      exdefence
                                      Date and time
                                      May 13, 2014, 8:07PM
                                      • "You reap what you sow." This a democratically elected government. The fact that they are now doing many things they said they would not do, may surprise some, but, hey, they're "Liberal", so try to remember next election.

                                        Commenter
                                        Derek
                                        Location
                                        Leura
                                        Date and time
                                        May 13, 2014, 8:06PM
                                        • And hockey says they are being up front with Australians. What a joke that is. Remember the election promises just last September. Again nothing but lies!

                                          Commenter
                                          Lea
                                          Location
                                          Dungog
                                          Date and time
                                          May 13, 2014, 8:05PM
                                          • I think Hockey misspoke.
                                            He meant "full of front" not "up front"!

                                            Commenter
                                            Lyn
                                            Date and time
                                            May 13, 2014, 9:53PM
                                        • I think I just heard something about future tax cuts..... "carefully thought out tax reductions" or something close. Wonder when? Just before next election.... who'd a thought. Aren't the rounds of tax cuts based on a temporary mining investment boom a big part of the problem? A thought, Instead of tax cuts lets invest in run down govt services ........

                                          Commenter
                                          Listener
                                          Date and time
                                          May 13, 2014, 8:04PM
                                          • Hockey: "we must not leave our children worse off"?

                                            Best have a look at the slip and slide in West Antarctica then, Hockey. Your $30 billion savings will be peanuts when the Australian coastline begins to disappear along with the homes of 85% of the population.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pen of hrba
                                            Date and time
                                            May 13, 2014, 8:03PM
                                            • Hockey is dillusional if he thinks our children arent going to be worse off. In the long run maybe they will be ok but in the next few years our kids going to struggle.

                                              Commenter
                                              Dissappointed voter.
                                              Date and time
                                              May 13, 2014, 8:09PM
                                          • No cuts to education, no cuts to health. Liars!

                                            Commenter
                                            Lea
                                            Location
                                            Dungog
                                            Date and time
                                            May 13, 2014, 8:01PM
                                            • In November 2013, Hockey requested Parliament's approval for an increase in the debt limit from $300 billion to $500 billion. Gross debt is measured by the face value of Commonwealth Government Securities (CGS) on issue, which according to the Australian Office of Financial Management, is currently around $300 billion.

                                              Hockey's $667 billion debt figure comes from Treasury projections for 2023-24, which also appeared in last year's Mid Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook. Therefore it does not exist in reality.

                                              Commenter
                                              Pen of hrba
                                              Date and time
                                              May 13, 2014, 7:59PM
                                              • What about funding the NDIS rather then a Medical Research Fund. You are so out of touch with the Australian people. People thought labor were out of touch but it seems the LNP is just as out of touch. Dislusional much Joe Hockey.

                                                Commenter
                                                Dissappointed voter.
                                                Date and time
                                                May 13, 2014, 7:59PM
                                                • It cost US$ 200k to 300 k to get a university degree in the US. I am scared Australia might replicate that type of expensive education system.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  US Style education
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 13, 2014, 7:58PM
                                                  • Yep. its just over there, to the far right.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Lyn
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 8:58PM
                                                  • they also want a multi-tier higher education system, where lots of those expensive degrees are close to worthless.
                                                    One or two "top 20" universities to be built at the cost of a good overall system.
                                                    The government already spends more on private schools than higher education.
                                                    Yes, just like the US.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    but...
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:10PM
                                                • who is the lady strategically placed behind Joe for impression of front bench gender balance ?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Ivan
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 13, 2014, 7:57PM
                                                  • Don't know but the blondes have been in the strategic seating arrangement since the election. The sex appeal one though is a few rows back, to the left. Thankfully the M4 is less clogged since that seating arrangement was implemented.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    A country gal
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 8:11PM
                                                  • Oh but that gal was paid handsomely for being 2IC in the gloomy days - when we all knew that she couldn't be Deputy PM so they let her fly around the world setting the timers before big ears set them off. I'll anoint her 'Noddy'.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    L
                                                    Location
                                                    Melbourne
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 8:47PM
                                                  • Bishop she's had a haircut not terribly flattering.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Amro
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:09PM
                                                • Hmm. I moved here from the US to escape the wealthy-corporate takeover of nearly every aspect of American life, because in Australia, you care (cared?) about the majority of people who do not have the kind of wealth that buys a louder voice in government. Do not believe the rhetoric about being a welfare state. Do not buy into the catchy slogans about people living off dole. The government benefits (tax breaks, subsidies, political power, regulations, etc) given to the ownership class, wealth elite, and corporate entities could very well soon far outweigh the investment in education, healthcare, and general social well being--you know: those things that trouble the wealthy (because these things try to level the playing field a little), but make Australia the best country.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  epaque
                                                  Location
                                                  sydney
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 13, 2014, 7:51PM
                                                  • I am happy with the budget so far. Abbott and Hockey are socialist deep down.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Ben
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 13, 2014, 7:51PM
                                                    • A question for all Coalition supporters – you’re obviously all anti anything that could abate climate change – but would you really prefer that your kids have your current lifestyle choices?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 7:31PM
                                                      • Pen,
                                                        before reading your comment, I posted a response in very similar terms to yours, in reply to Hacka's comment. Promise I did not plagiarise. Anthropomorphic resonance perhaps?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lyn
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:04PM
                                                    • What a surprise. We now have our very own Tea Party!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Mocca
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 6:54PM
                                                      • Would you like milk with that, or be milked.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:21PM
                                                    • The electricity is building in the air, competing with the aroma of Havana's. But is Australia ready or willing to go down this path, back to the future? A land of the Haves (who have more) and the Have Nots (who have even less). An ideological agenda, a land of spin. A land where we believe the Spin and Negativity? A place we don't want or need to be.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      A country gal
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 6:52PM
                                                      • I will certainly remember these tea party days in the future and how Australia avoided having masses of elderly living on the streets like the US......someone needs to save us from Abbott to avoid the unthinkable...and soon.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JT
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:00PM
                                                      • JT, Very soon! Said earlier, about the best Clive can do for us as a Nation is precipitate a DD. To steal someone's moniker 'Enough is Enough'.
                                                        Now sit back and heed Smokin Joe's Budget (their idea of entertainment).

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:20PM
                                                    • A question for all the Labor supporters - you're obviously all anti anything the government does - but would you really prefer that your kids pay for your current lifestyle choices ?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Hacka
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 6:18PM
                                                      • Can't answer that Hackie (but I will anyway), I'm a minor party and Indi voter determined to help bust the duopoly and return the country to a working democracy. Hopefully one where the whole political donation scam is turned on it's head upside down. A Nation that is run by the people not the corporates or offshore miners. Come join us, it's all about a fair future and one with vision. Where your dog eat dog world is obsolete.
                                                        My (big) kids are doing fine thanks. It's my Granddies and the polluted legacy you lot want left for them, that really concerns me.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:35PM
                                                      • The budget will get back into surplus when the economic cycle picks up.....all this 'crisis' talk and tough budget now is unecessary and just a foil for the real agenda ...neocon redistribution of income from the poorer to the richer ie big business....no more no less. Your excuse doesn't work Hack.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JT
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:45PM
                                                      • Nope hacka ...more interested in waiting for the doctor housewives' and spammers finally admitting that they have consumed as a generation more than enough/too much... and they will announce finally the date they cease lecturing those who wish to pass on to the next generations security at work, an affordable roof over their heads, compulsory education ethic where each child succeeds regardless of their parents income, universal healthcare, equity on post school options if also facing the challenges of profound disability.... what am I missing.... oh, that would be the end of the toxic syrup and sugar of the desperate housewives. That'll do me for the present.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Marshall
                                                        Location
                                                        from Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:46PM
                                                      • JT - so when do you expect the economic cycle to pick up ?

                                                        ACG - yes well it will be interesting to see the environmental measures in the budget. even more interesting to see what gets through parliament.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Hacka
                                                        Location
                                                        Canberra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:55PM
                                                      • Have a look at the fixed rates of interest in home loans for 2 years time Hacka....guess what they are higher.......so it goes that the banks predict that economic activity will be higher in 2 years....more spending higher tax....but then again, even economists have said this there is no crisis...only of LNP making.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JT
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:04PM
                                                      • They won't have to Hacka, unless something is done about climate change things won't be all that rosy. Floods fire heat waves get the picture

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Amro
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:24PM
                                                      • Hacka the budget emergency is created by the libs to support their corporate backers while at the same time screwing everday Australians . I for one want my children to live in a clever country . Lead by leaders that don't slash and burn CSIRO budgets . A country with a world class NBN . We need a leader that believes in climate change . All these things are offered by Labour . But I won't try to change your mind Hacka .

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Slacktivist
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:32PM
                                                      • Hacka, you have no credibility. We already saw this morning that you commented on a story before it even went live to the public. Insider trading from a Liberal stooge much??

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Bexta
                                                        Location
                                                        The real world
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:35PM
                                                      • No sane person believes in those ridiculous cartoon choices you're proposing..it's balance. This lot couldn't balance a peanut.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        pugwash
                                                        Location
                                                        earth
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:36PM
                                                      • Got the afternoon shift today Hacka?
                                                        If you want to talk about consequences of current and recent politics, let's talk invasion of Iraq, let's talk global warming, let's talk Howard Costello's middle class welfare, let's talk tax-free superannuation, let's talk car-lease rorting - I see a long master debate coming.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Doug
                                                        Location
                                                        Canberra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:43PM
                                                      • Interesting comment Hacka

                                                        My question back to you is this -

                                                        If the ALP did not stimulate the economy what would the children s life style be like now and into the future?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Buffalo Bill
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydneys Northshore
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 7:52PM
                                                      • Question for you Hacka - why should we believe another thing said by this government who have lied their way into power and are claiming an emergency was caused by Labor when in reality the revenue collection was stuffed by the largesse and bribery of the previous LNP government?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Huh?
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:13PM
                                                      • Ignoring climate change and abolishing the carbon tax will have a greater effect on your children than any decision I make about my lifestyle choices.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Derek
                                                        Location
                                                        Leura
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:17PM
                                                      • I want my children to be able to trust what their future leaders say. To see Abbott and co lie their way into public office as if it doesn't matter. It's no different to any other cheating.

                                                        I expected the LNP to keep their promises.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Rational Thinker
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:18PM
                                                      • No of course not. I would like the wealthy to make a decent contribution. Just cutting the outrageous tax breaks for massive supperanuations might be a start.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        KIDDING
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:23PM
                                                      • Dress it up how you like mate, your mob lied and lied and lied to get it in. There is no budget emergency. This is a cynical, ruthless attack on the poor and disenfranchised, when the election rolls around again money will be thrown around to buy votes a'la Howard. Bring on the DD. This is the worst Gubbament is Australian history.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        mb
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:32PM
                                                      • Ahh Hacka finally it's in front of you , now do you understand what it's going to do to ordinary Australia's or is that beyond your brainpower . Go and do something for this great country , I'll leave it at that...

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Supa350
                                                        Location
                                                        Wodonga
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:43PM
                                                      • I just want to know who the fairfax dill is that gave you top billing with 'featured comment'.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        L
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:49PM
                                                      • Sound like an LNP position. Anti - anything the government does - oh, but you're referring to the ALP. The point is that bad government is bad government regardless of political affiliation. This budget is accepted by many analysts as attacking the most vulnerable and rewarding the most well off. I don't believe that is the type of Australia we want, and I for one look forward to this or any future government leading a proper discussion about what type of country we want to be and levying appropriate taxes that properly support the people in our communities that need that support. I may be waiting a very long time for that to occur, for both sides of politics are not wiling to stick their necks out.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        L1
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:52PM
                                                      • A statement to all the Liberal supporters - (excuse the following assumptive sweeping statements - licensed under Hacka protocol) you're obviously all anti any real action on a possibly lifestyle destroying looming environmental crisis - so would clearly prefer that your kids pay for your current lifestyle choices.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lyn
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 8:54PM
                                                      • Even when you are slapped in the face with lies and hypocrisy you still follow the party spin. Very sad indeed and yes we get the government we deserve, what the hard working people ever did to deserve this is beyond logic.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Get Real
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:34PM
                                                    • I like Morrison doing the usual deflection stuff with the strong borders policy. What about the 2 boats that arrived this week during the annual low period during the monsoons. That sort of weakens his argument doesn't it.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lance
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 6:16PM
                                                      • Were mugs just mugs no reports it's all secret. This will come back to bite us bigger than anything else before.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Amro
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:23PM
                                                    • I respect that a Prime Minister has an important job but I just found out that our Prime Minister earns over $20,000 a fortnight and a carer on a pension earns $16,000 a year. That's a yearly income for a pensioner for 1.5 weeks of pay for the Prime Minister..... WHAT IS WRONG HERE!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim
                                                      Location
                                                      NSW
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 5:54PM
                                                      • what's wrong is that the PM would like us to think that he feels the same pain.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Betts
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:08PM
                                                      • Forget it... Nation Australia has exposed itself as more than content to shift the burden of caring for the Profoundly Disabled Community on to the shoulders of Hockey's so claimed "filial responsibility" worth $60billions in volunteer labour.

                                                        Not yet has the brains trusts nor has any political strategist come up with a slogan or snippet capable of declaring that the most successful example of the Primary Carers of the Profoundly Disabled Community will be mimicked in the caring for aging population.
                                                        That is clear and succinct.... no loved ones, no family volunteers to provide full-time care... so get stuffed... y'all. And do not expect me to weep or fret. That is your bed.... lay down in it.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        dipaha
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 6:28PM
                                                    • Are you there, Greg Hunt, err, I hate to break the news to your simple mindedness, but you best tell your kids to enjoy the Gold Coast while they can because it won’t be there for too much longer. While you have been orchestrating a symphony of chainsaws in the Tasmanian wilderness to enhance global warming there has been collapse of the ice sheet in West Antarctica. Regrettably this is due, in no short measure to yourself and other Canberra loons stupidities, to wit it is almost certainly unstoppable with global warming accelerating the melt. You know, Greg that global warming that was – what was the word – crap?

                                                      What has been feared and voiced by scientists for decades, means that a rise in global sea level of at least 3 metres (10 feet) may now be inevitable. So I suggest that you vacate your peninsular home and move to the Blue Mountains which will become an island of sorts in the fullness of time. Feeling a little stupid now are we?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 13, 2014, 5:28PM
                                                      • Abbotts mob are not up to governing - they have no ideas, no policies and can't govern.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        punch
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 13, 2014, 5:18PM
                                                        • Mr Abbott ... saying he would happily be contributing $6500 from his $500,000 annual salary as part of the debt levy.
                                                          “Everyone is going to be in this, and in this together,” he said on Tuesday of the expected horror budget.
                                                          “I don’t want a pensioner to look me in the eye and to say I am feeling pain, why aren’t you?”
                                                          So now he gets $493,500. How many pensioners earn that, Mr Abbott? Don't dare to tell us that you are feeling the pain.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Betts
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 13, 2014, 4:51PM
                                                          • Abbott is not taking a pay they are joking imposing a wage freeze to which they will be more than compensated in a years time. More spin and lies from the party not fit to govern.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Get Real
                                                            Date and time
                                                            May 13, 2014, 5:29PM
                                                          • of course not.the hypocrisy is breathtaking.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Betts
                                                            Date and time
                                                            May 13, 2014, 5:54PM
                                                        • I did not go to church this morning, but I had a word with Odin to have the senate do a Whitlam on Abbott.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 13, 2014, 4:48PM
                                                          • Why hasn't Garret been questioned regarding professional advice of the dangers of the insulation scheme. All I can ascertain is questions of capacity of government to see the scheme to fruition. Surely deaths are more important especially when the warnings were consistently ignored.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            May 13, 2014, 4:40PM
                                                            • "this is a watershed moment, when a bold new government does what has to be done".

                                                              Yes and in the watershed, no doubt the poor will be gleefully waterboarded, by these bold governors of our Murdoch media and ultra-con induced prison.

                                                              Once the budget is done, I presume they plan to bring out Nurse Ratched to help calm us down.

                                                              Australia is going to need a Cool Hand Luke after this government.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              jimhaz
                                                              Location
                                                              Occupy
                                                              Date and time
                                                              May 13, 2014, 4:03PM
                                                              • Hunt: “Your policy is to stand in the way of our mandate to terminate the carbon tax!”

                                                                Abbottism doesn’t have a mandate, telling the electorate blatant lies doesn’t constitute a mandate? Abbott admits the carbon price is $6 billion a year and by abolishing the carbon price each household saves $550 per year amounting to 53 cents each. But he doesn’t consider $4.5 billion a year subsidy to the mining industry, which reduces his saving to nothing. Yet screams the $6 billion (53 cents per day) will cost jobs, and power bills will reduce by $200 a year per household (26 cents per day each), and gas bills by $70 per household (0.06 cents a day each), but doesn’t explain these form part of the $550.

                                                                He ignores power providers claim: carbon price repeal will not affect future power price increases, or that gas prices are to increase to international prices.

                                                                He states our emissions target can be met by Direct Action, yet our wind turbines can only reach half of our 5% target of emission reduction. He cannot explain how our poor soils can hold sufficient carbon to store 8 million tonnes of Co2 when most can only store 1% carbon. He doesn’t tell that soil carbon retention is best in rain forest soils and we have a meagre 5% rain forests. He denies agricultural scientists advice that his Direct Action cannot work on $3.2 billion over four years. Ignores scientific research of 440 tonnes of CO2 absorption per one hectare of mature forest take at least 30 years to mature? And absorbing 8 million tonnes of CO2 divided by 440 tonnes per hectare equates to 18,181 additional hectares and 8.181 million trees.

                                                                So, where the hell is his mandate?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                Date and time
                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                • Yes I remember on Budget speech where Swannie announced that 'tonight I announce the first of four consecutive budget surpluses.....

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Andie
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  May 13, 2014, 3:46PM
                                                                  • Pity you don't remeber Abbott and Hockey's plethora of lies.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Get Real
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                  • Get real will you. They have a long long way to go to catch up just on the "budget surplus" promises of Gillard and Swannie before we start on the rest

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Andie
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:30PM
                                                                  • Andie, do you still believe in santa or the tooth fairy???????????????

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Get Real
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 5:03PM
                                                                  • Get Real?
                                                                    .
                                                                    So get this then - world's best treasurer award, saved Australia from a recession, constantly clarified that the performance of the Australian economy would be subject to the performance of the world economy - which you conveniently forget was the worst since The Great Depression.
                                                                    .
                                                                    Australia's economy is the envy of the developed world virtually bar none.
                                                                    .
                                                                    There is some reality for you.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Master Blaster
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 5:18PM
                                                                  • Uhm Master blaster I agree with you!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Get Real
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 5:31PM
                                                                • Now I see why everyone get up and leaves when Ludlum (or whatever his name is) starts talking.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Mick
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  May 13, 2014, 3:28PM
                                                                  • Scott Ludlum is his name, a sustainable vision and fairness is his game.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    A country gal
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:44PM
                                                                  • Scott Ludlum my friend is worth a dozen Abbott's and Shorten's any day of the week. In Ludlum we have honesty, integrity, ethics and intelligence attributes sadly lacking in Abbott and Shorten. Ludlum will lead the Greens and when he does watch the reversal of support away from the two oligarchs.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:55PM
                                                                • Why all this rubbish about Budget Night??? Everyone has been rabbiting on about this for weeks; leaks here, leaks there .Ernest Joe, soulful Tony and Mathias !!! words fail me. If ever there was over kill this is it. Spit it out and get on with the LNP and their brave new world

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  polym
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  May 13, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                                  • Brave old world, back to little Jonnies fraudulent first budget and rely on stupid voters to forget and buy in pre-election handouts. Strap yourself in for a one way ticket backwards.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Get Real
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 3:34PM
                                                                  • Well every time Little Billy starts whinging he reminds us all of how bad the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd + Shorten governments were.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Andie
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:31PM
                                                                • Andrew Fraser stumbling over some of his words but is delivering a great speech and making some very good points.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Dale
                                                                  Location
                                                                  ACT
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  May 13, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                                  • Abbott keeps his pre election commitments - laughable at best.

                                                                    He is such a joker that guy. Pity the joke is on us.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    sir fitzy of kogarah
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    May 13, 2014, 3:22PM
                                                                    • Abbott is seriously deluded if he thinks the people will buy this pig in a poke budget, more deluded than I thought. We are not all ignorant bogans, like the ones who voted for him. I have more chance selling my clapped out 1999 Barina, than he has of selling this Teaparty slash and burn horror budget to the people. Standby for one Term Tony,no matter what the LNP trolls say ! LOL

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Piesnchess
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      May 13, 2014, 3:20PM
                                                                      • Are you in the Budget lock-up, Piesnchess? How did you get a post out?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lewis
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        May 13, 2014, 3:25PM
                                                                    • Amro
                                                                      Re: “Pen how do you explain deaths only happened in NSW and Queensland?”

                                                                      As I explained yesterday aluminium insulation is highly conductive, if any part of this insulation touches a live part of an electrical circuit, such as at a ceiling light junction, then the entire insulation will become a alive. This type of insulation is used more in warmer states as it reflects heat, whereas in southern climes thermal batts are more efficient. The deaths have nothing to do with wiring regulations in NSW and Q/land, as I have said previously these are basically the same in every state as per SAA 3000 and later editions of the wiring regulations.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      May 13, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                                      • Will not view anything this government does favourably until--- Brandis gives the library we paid for to the parliament library, the Pm returns the amount spent on his cycling jaunts AND he gives a sincere apology to the women of Australia for his silent endorsement of the disgusting remarks and smears made against M/s Gillard by his cronies

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        polym
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        May 13, 2014, 3:13PM
                                                                        • Looks to me that Shorten's already given his budget reply.

                                                                          May as well cancel the Press Club on Thursday, nothing new to add.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          May 13, 2014, 3:13PM
                                                                          • Funny Hacka, I don't remember you saying anything when for the last 3 years all Abbott & Co have done is say the same thing about the carbon tax over and over again. But Bill Shorten repeats himself for less than a day and we should cancel the Budget reply?

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Knee
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            May 13, 2014, 3:20PM
                                                                          • Pity we cannot cancel the diatribe of lies that Abbott and Hockey are about to sprout tonight.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            sir fitzy of kogarah
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            May 13, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                                        • Ah, I get it now, "No new taxes" is a non-core promise.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          stevek
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          May 13, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                                          • It's good to see that after using crutches on the broken Australian economy for so many years Wayne Swan has lent them to Kate Ellis.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            enough is enough
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            May 13, 2014, 2:52PM
                                                                            • yeh, the "broken " triple AAA rated economy by the IMF, and all other finance mobs, the one that missed the GFC, low interest rates, and lowest debt in the world compared to nearly all other nations, Yeh, real broken, you LNP trolls crack me up ! LOL

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Piesnchess
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                                          • Warren Truss's explanation of anything is exactly why you don't have farmers masquerading as 'Deputy Prime Ministers'. The experiment failed miserably when Malcolm Fraser became Prime Minister.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Sharron
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Canberra
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            May 13, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                                            • Sharron, Sharron... Tut,tut,tut Mal was a Grazier not a Farmer. One must understand the Ag pecking order. A "Grazier" holds much more standing in the community.
                                                                              Besides, he's seen the light since retirement and hasn't dived off the Ultra Right Springboard like his old mates. He's still where they used to be, small "l".
                                                                              Wazza only earned his stripes from his longevity at the job- meanwhile Barnaby is quietly at his heels like a fox terrier with a bone.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 5:57PM
                                                                          • The Speaker is very quiet today!

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            wendal
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            May 13, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                                            • The statists are now saying "invest" instead of calling a spade a shovel and saying "spend".

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Lewis
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 2:32PM
                                                                              • No Lewis, when you deposit amounts like $900 into peoples bank accounts with no restrictions on where it is (or isn't), that is spending. When you actually build something (as opposed to saying you're building something), like a road or airport, that's investing.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Chris
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:21PM
                                                                              • Why, Chris? Do they plan to sell it later at an inflated price or extract an income or some sort of yield? Wait, maybe you're right.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:56PM
                                                                              • Yes Lewis, that is hopefully correct. Fancy a free market capitalist society building something and then selling it at a profit, what a novel concept. Or even more improbable, providing a service, charging for it and actually making a profit from the exercise. I wonder if it will catch on?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Chris
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 4:40PM
                                                                            • @2:15 "Joe Hockey is not here" he is out the back enjoying a nice Cuban, life is good for the entitled.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Get Real
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 2:17PM
                                                                              • Smokin Joe

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Master Blaster
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:29PM
                                                                              • Get Real

                                                                                For the price of a coffee, you too could be entitled with a stogie. May not of the Cuban variety; but, just saying....

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                $keptic
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:37PM
                                                                              • aahh yes, Smokin Joe, chomps on his Cuban while slamming pensioners, poor,battlers,low income, disabled, but leaving his millionaire buddies alone,they pay no taxes.!! No pain for his north shore millionaire mates, just pain for the poor, thanks teaparty joe, keep smoking.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Piesnchess
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                                              • Yes, Get Real. That's all the Treasurer does. Sits out the back and puffs on cigars. Also seems that the majority of the media is fixated on cigar smoking as well. Just means that another Labor policy, called "plain packaging", is a failure, it seems. At least with Joe anyway.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Four term Tony
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Whyalla
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:27PM
                                                                              • @Four term Tony it would appear that Joe has failed a few things, economics, truth telling, the Australian people. Actually puffing away like a snout in the trough phony is the least of his failings

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Get Real
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:42PM
                                                                              • Get Real, and it's obvious he does the drawback.
                                                                                Intent to draw back this once fine nation into a land of the Haves and the Havenots.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 5:13PM
                                                                            • The lefteratti showed their absolute desperation when they tried to make a mountain out of cigar molehill. Joe Hockey and Mathias Coremann should make absolutely no apologies for enjoying a cigar, Strange there was no big outcry when the silver haired bodgie Bob Hawke was seen smoking a cigar. Hawke handed over to Keating who left us with a recession and a $96 billion debt, Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey are trying to fix the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd mess and should be given a fair go.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              noitall
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Beacon Hill
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 2:07PM
                                                                              • What a load of tripe

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Master Blaster
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:31PM
                                                                              • There was no "mess". There was a small thing called the Global Financial Crisis which we got through really well thanks to Rudd and Co. Mr Abbott is just beating up things to make himself look good when he breaks all his promises.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Linda
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Coogee
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                              • Noitall,
                                                                                it's all about 'context'.
                                                                                in the context of everyone bearing the brunt, heavy lifting rhetoric etc. Hawke/Keating weren't breaking out the champagne and cigars!
                                                                                Nor was the parliament house a 'smoke-free' zone in their days.
                                                                                See the context now?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                              • @noitall, why do I get the feeling that we are going to be screwed, one cigar at a time, just like happened in days gone by.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                mitch of ACT
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:00PM
                                                                              • @ Linda - 2.41pm. They know the GFC was real but the constant repetition of their denial is part of their 'narrative' - to negate everything Labor did so that they can load on 'more spin' and many more untruths. Let's face it - they can't call it "Labor mess" if they acknowledge the good role Labor played in saving Australia from the GFC.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Jump
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:13PM
                                                                              • The coalition is inhabited by climate-change deniers & GFC deniers & GLB deniers.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                mitch of ACT
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:45PM
                                                                              • Master Blaster-You have made a very intelligent and insightful comment.
                                                                                Linda-The GFC is no excuse. Labor inherited a sound economy, plenty of funds, strong banks and the mother of all mining booms and they dropped the ball.
                                                                                Econocrat-The ‘context’ is that Hawke and Keating left a recession and $96 billion in debt and should not have indulged in celebratory cigars. Hockey is allowed one to recover from all the hard work cleaning up Labor’s diabolical mess.
                                                                                Mitch of ACT-The screwing has already taken place thanks to Labor-We cannot afford to continue paying $12 billion a year just for the interest on Labor’s debt.
                                                                                Jumper-The GFC is a lame excuse for the massive debt and deficits that Labor presided over.
                                                                                Mitch-Labor left an undeniable mess-the figures are there for all too see-only Labor and their supporters are too much in a denial mode to see the truth.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                noitall
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Beacon Hill
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 4:36PM
                                                                            • After doing what the LNP are obviously planning to voters voters tonight, does TA really beleive that we will 'respect' him and his poor excuse for a givernment in the morning? Honestly the man is deluded!

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              meganjj
                                                                              Location
                                                                              melbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 2:00PM
                                                                              • Is that the royal "we", meganjj?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 2:35PM
                                                                            • Perhaps Natasha Griggs could enlighten us on who paid for that nice book she's holding.

                                                                              Receipts as proof please.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Joe the POM
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Geelong
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              May 13, 2014, 1:53PM
                                                                              • You're so funny Coalition MP Natasha Griggs with that witty poster. Too bad you aren't as clever with running this country.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Thriller
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:27PM
                                                                                • Yeah, where's Garrett, time for some of the real comedians to get back on stage

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  SteveH.
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:02PM
                                                                                • Dont worry,soon Labor will carry one of those glossy pamphlets exposing all the LIEbral LIES and broken promises.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Archer
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:10PM
                                                                                • @Archer
                                                                                  It wont be a glossy pamphlet, given the vast number of promises already broken and about to be by Abbott; i will be a large, weighty tome!

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Sir Noddy
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Glebe
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                              • Bill's really becoming broken record Bill.

                                                                                Shouldn't he at least wait for a broken promise before he next declares one ?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:25PM
                                                                                • I know! Bill is becoming annoying, I mean more annoying. He can't even think of something in the lines of - "Tony Abbott lied to the voters!". "Broken promises" sounds like a 1930s song title.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Sharron
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:46PM
                                                                                • Hacka, you're becoming broken record Hacka. Ever had an opinion that didn't come from the Liberal Party playbook?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Josh
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Footscray
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:58PM
                                                                                • He's probably a little tongue tied Hacka. He has so many broken promises to choose from. Doesnt know where to start. All a bit overwhelming.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  meganjj
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  melbourne
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:04PM
                                                                                • What do you mean there has been at least 15 and that is before the budget has been released, do keep up Hacks.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Get Real
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:12PM
                                                                                • Hacka accusing someone of being a broken record.
                                                                                  .
                                                                                  Now thats a ...
                                                                                  Now thats a ...
                                                                                  Now thats a ...
                                                                                  Now thats a ...
                                                                                  ...Laugh

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Master Blaster
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                                                • When you break them as rapidly and callously as Tony does there is no need to wait.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  tasch2
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:20PM
                                                                                • Yep a Little Billy presser goes like this -

                                                                                  TionyAbbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott.......

                                                                                  The press gallery have begun counting how many time he can say Tony Abbott in a minute.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Andie
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:52PM
                                                                              • You will be slugged a tax to fill up your car on your way to see the doctor just to be slugged with ANOTHER tax!!..NO NEW TAXES or TAX INCREASES remember that!!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Archer
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:13PM
                                                                                • Oh yeah, the "adults" are really back in charge with that poster.

                                                                                  Real grown up there guys.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Some cheese with your whine
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                                  • Me thinks I want what 'Judgment' is having...

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    GT
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Victoria
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 1:08PM
                                                                                    • Funny to see the Age proudly showing pretty pictures of the Ex labor treasurer Wayne Swan, wasn't he the bloke stating day in day out there WILL be a surplus & the lefties believed it all. Is he now supposed to be an 'expert' ?/ .LOL

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      napier48
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:57PM
                                                                                      • Yes in fact he stated that almost as much as Tony stated there will be no new taxes!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Get Real
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 2:11PM
                                                                                      • Yes I remember on Budget speech where Swannie announced that 'tonight I announce the first of four consecutive budget surpluses.....

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Andie
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                                    • 12:32
                                                                                      The former Treasurer, who never delivered a surplus...

                                                                                      Frankly I'm in favour of Wayne spending as much time with his family as possible. Don't let us keep you Wayne.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Puzzled
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:55PM
                                                                                      • You forgot to clarify....
                                                                                        .
                                                                                        Who never delivered a surplus ......... during the worst economic downturn the world economy has endured since the Great Depression, however did save our economy from heading into a recession.
                                                                                        .
                                                                                        No wonder you're puzzled, all you can think of is debt = bad, surplus = good.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Master Blaster
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                                                      • Master Blaster.. if there was no need for a surplus and his intentions were otherwise then why did he keep promising them again..and again..and again??

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Puzzled
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                                                      • Puzzled,
                                                                                        Swan did deliver a surplus at year end June 2008.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Econorat
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                                                      • Here's an inconvenient fact for the right wing extremist money worhippers.
                                                                                        There greatest hero and Liebral Party icon, Robert Menzies never delivered a surplus!
                                                                                        No amount of rubbishing the Labor Party excuses Abbotts lies.
                                                                                        Importantly people know it.
                                                                                        Lies lies lies!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Danger Ranger
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 3:12PM
                                                                                    • Australia is actually a reasonably low taxing country especially due to income tax cuts especially form the last 3 governments. We all wanted lower tax rates and that’s what we got. Expenditure on the other hand has recently outstripped income and hence we have a monstrous debt by Australian standards. You either cut spending or increase revenue. So while you go the uncle doug in refusing either and bitching about everything proposed, realistically the Gov will have to go to the people with a increase in GST in 3 years. 5% would raise about 25 billion and almost return the budget to neutral. Not so sure the conservatives would deliberately do that as it’s against their grain and would carry a heavy political cost. That’s what needs to be done and no mining tax or carbon tax will ever be capable of this.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Brettie
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:49PM
                                                                                      • Brettie,

                                                                                        I will pay just about AUD70,000 in tax this year. I just visited the US internal revenue tax calculator and used todays USD/AUD exchange rate to enter my salary. In the US for the equivalent salary i would be taxed AUD 28,508. Your hat? You're talking ut of it.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Hoe Jockey
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Perth
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                                                      • Joe is hoping those medical researchers will find a cure for lung cancer so he can keep puffing away on those Cubans.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Amro
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:29PM
                                                                                    • Why are people so accepting of so many Liberal taxes, whilst Labor taxes were so toxic? This situation is ridiculous. Never have we had such dishonest politics from a tricky bunch of politicians.

                                                                                      We know their goal is to benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else. This is class warfare, and the truly rich are winning.

                                                                                      Kick this bunch out, election now!

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Tone
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:37PM
                                                                                      • Mark Arbib is the classic, Could've Should've and Would've mould. Can't wait for Garrett to chuck some mud at Rudd. Where Latham?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 12:35PM
                                                                                        • Oh come now. Arbib was young and naive.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Puzzled
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                                        • "M(ushroom) Arbib is giving a real live performance of the 3 Monkeys -

                                                                                          I heard nothing, I saw nothing and I said nothing.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Andie
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 1:07PM
                                                                                        • Or he could have just said "I don't recall", like all your mentors kept saying...oh, you forgot about that, eh?

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          AtomicNirvana
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 1:28PM
                                                                                        • AtomicNirvana. Too late for that. Arbib did say "I don't recall" several times yesterday. That phrase is now an all-time bestseller!

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 2:03PM
                                                                                        • Yes EiE it is more commonly known these days as the Sindonis defense. Worked at treat for your man of honour hey!

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Pieron
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 2:15PM
                                                                                      • Now all we have to do is wait until tonight to discover
                                                                                        a. How much Joe and Tony's noses grows during the actual speech
                                                                                        b. Wheher the lower portion of their clothing spontaneously combusts.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        meganjj
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        melbourne
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 12:31PM
                                                                                        • Labor knowingly facing election defeat with no money in the bank, deliberately kept spending and promising as to ensure the next incoming government would be left with a huge deficit and a responsibility to introduce a tough first budget as to get things back on track.
                                                                                          And what are all Australian's now facing "The Bill."

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Garry of Melbourne
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:29PM
                                                                                          • Howard did the same with his last unsustainable tax cut that Rudd & his dum-dum treasurer had to say "yeah, me too".

                                                                                            Both sides do it shamelessly.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Lewis
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            May 13, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                                        • Poor Joe doesn't sound convinced

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          panda
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          perth
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:12PM
                                                                                          • If the LNP had presented this agenda prior to the election, they would not have been elected. They knew that. I will never forgive them for the lies they told the Australian people prior to the election to get elected. We are now in a era of Post-Truth politics. But it is never acceptable to lie and deceive and the LNP will be judged accordingly. No Tony, we will not thank you for lying your way into office.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Mack
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            May 13, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                            • Well, I did try to warn you about voting for liars and how doing so undermines democracy.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Pen of hrba
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                                                          • Doctor meets one of his patients socially and comments " I have not seen you for a long time?" Patient replies " That's right, i have been sick"

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Arthur
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Mt Eliza
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            May 13, 2014, 11:48AM
                                                                                            • Crocodile Anthony Dundee Albanese should replace Bill Shorten as the leader of the Labor Party immediately!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Sharron
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Canberra
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 11:41AM
                                                                                              • Wow Sharron, when even ALP supporters are getting stuck into Bill, he must be in trouble.

                                                                                                For the record i agree with you - you'll likely have plenty of ammo with which to attack Abbott before the day is out, but most of us stopped listening to "broken record" Bill quite some time ago.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:23PM
                                                                                              • I agree Hacka. I think Bill likes Abbott's budget but he hasn't told the rest of the Labor Party.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Sharron
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:41PM
                                                                                            • Biggest day in Joe's political life for sure. Big speech, then the sell job.

                                                                                              It's reminiscent of 1996 when Costello had to go through the same process. Let's hope Joe can have the same success over time.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Hacka
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Canberra
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 11:38AM
                                                                                              • Hacka I am sure you will be standing in the front row clapping for every announcement.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Simon from Whyalla
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 12:54PM
                                                                                              • What by doing the very opposite? Wake up, Hacka it's budget day.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:00PM
                                                                                              • it's not reminiscent of 1996. In 1996 the budget was already back in surplus with a net debt figure of about 21% to GDP.
                                                                                                The 1993 recession had well-past and was a global phenomena caused by US, UK, EU. World Bank cranking up interest rates to halt a global inflation break-out. Commonwealth debt peaked at 21%, which our debt hasn't reached and has currently retreated from 20% to about 16% to GDP.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:18PM
                                                                                              • hakka - that's a very tepid plea from you - i think you should go to one of Sir Abbott's pep talks

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                rod steiger
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                toukley
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:30PM
                                                                                              • Econorat - the 1995-96 budget result was a deficit of $11,109 billion. Where on earth do you get your figures from ?

                                                                                                Simon - if we do get a Labor Debt Tax, even i shall be yelling broken promise.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:48PM
                                                                                              • No you won't, Hacka. You'll find some way to spin it to adulation.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                BC
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:10PM
                                                                                              • Hacka,
                                                                                                that depends on whether you are talking about the headline budget or the underlying budget. One was in surplus, the other in deficit (just)

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 4:30PM
                                                                                              • Econorat - the underlying budget isn't the actual outcome, the actual result is the one that counts.

                                                                                                In the spirit of bipartisanship i'll refrain from using your words from the "poll crash" forum back at you, but perhaps get your facts right next time before launching sledges.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 5:40PM
                                                                                            • Make no mistake the Liberals stand front and centre at the battle of class warfare. It is big business vs mind your own business!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Welcome Pluto meet Democracy
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 11:25AM
                                                                                              • Actually, I haven't heard the Libs denigrate anybody along class lines, but we've spent the last 6 years listening to the ALP and Greens attack successful Australians like Rinehart, Forrest and Murdoch and try to silence their critics by attempting to impose media restrictions, abusing media execs and bringing about the sacking of at least 2 journos.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Puzzled
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 12:44PM
                                                                                              • Ahh no. We see several pictures of the old class warrior Waynie "Springsteen" Swannie.in this Pulse.

                                                                                                Now he was a class warrior if ever there was one.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Andie
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:15PM
                                                                                            • Come on Bill Shorten - all this ammunition and you are focusing on "broken promises"? what a load of infantile dribble.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              ksr
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 11:14AM
                                                                                              • ksr - shorten may be resorting to slogans, but with this electorate, it clearlly works. LNP electoral suds were as substantial as Tony's speedos, and they won handily. might as well adopt the same ploy, because this governemt is spinning like a rat in a barrel and has nothing to combat this apprroach

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                rod steiger
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                toukley
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:37AM
                                                                                              • I agree! Isn't Bill Shorten a huge disappointment!

                                                                                                Bill Shorten is nothing but a namby pamby, wanna-be, no-go, roll-over, sad-sap and ultra-dull "politician"!

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Sharron
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:37AM
                                                                                              • Well to be fair it is what they hammered Gillard with for 3 years.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                bkgw
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:42AM
                                                                                              • It is "drivel"... the word you are seeking is "drivel".
                                                                                                Any word processor... mine is OpenOffice.org a free resource supplied by a community of creators who supply pro bono a global word processor for everyone regardless of their capacity to pay... and they recognise the term 'drivel".....
                                                                                                So you are expecting further "drivel" from The Bill counteracting the obvious Slick and Oily Drivel from this mob from Liberal heartland of The Northern Foreshore Sydney. Perhaps The Bill should cease to supplying any more Drivel.... and leave it up to the experts to dig their own graves.... and save our collective sanity.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                RgRedfern
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 12:39PM
                                                                                              • RG - I agree with KSR and I will also use the term 'drivel'. We all know what 'drive' means and just like you, we all have access to dictionaries and online word processing tools. You aren't educating anyone here RG.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Sharron
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                                                              • yes sharon ... very pedantic of me..... are your sure you are not convinced of the drivel....handing over to the next generation vast globules of drivel.... I am quite convinced we as elders are to be recognised as the first Australian Generation handing over to our youth.... little more than "drivel". So bravo for us....

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Rgredfern
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 4:43PM
                                                                                            • This budget is less about emergency and more about ideology.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Mali
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 11:10AM
                                                                                              • Mark Arbib denies foreknowledge of the electrical safety risks in the insulation program. He also claims he was not aware of the 2007 deaths of three New Zealand installers or of it raised at an industry meeting in February 2009, five months before the scheme's rollout.

                                                                                                He said, “He would have been "ringing alarm bells" and raised the issue with then-prime minister Kevin Rudd and his ex-colleague Peter Garrett.”

                                                                                                On 18 May 2009, the Master Electricians Australia warned of ‘a very serious fire risk’ caused by incorrect installation of woollen batts, ‘especially in older homes’. The National Electrical and Communications Association warned in February 2009 of ‘a significant risk of electrical equipment overheating especially in the event of downlights in ceilings being covered if insulation is installed inappropriately’, and recommended licensed electricians check wiring before installation.

                                                                                                NECA wrote to Peter Garrett (on 9 March 2009) about the ‘inherent dangers’ of installing insulation near electrical cables in regard to fires, and the need to train installers, and stressed ‘inherent dangers’ with foil insulation.

                                                                                                ANU report found the National Secretary of the Electrical Trades Union, reported that the union raised concerns about poor electrical safety aspects early in 2009 during discussions with a departmental advisory group reporting to Garrett’

                                                                                                We are to believe that Garrett didn’t mention any of the above to Arbib a Parliamentary Secretary for Government Service Delivery, a position within the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet?

                                                                                                Or unions never contacted Arbib a trade unionists.

                                                                                                To wit, Arbib denies any knowledge of wiring in the roof space of houses?

                                                                                                On balance is it credible?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:59AM
                                                                                                • Doesn't matter Pen,
                                                                                                  what's the point? Should federal government never fund a project if someone might die? how do you build roads, bridges, buildings in an industry noted for its 'risk' per se. should the government only fund office workers?

                                                                                                  you will note that all the electrical deaths occurred in QLD, and one heat exhaustion in NSW. setting aside NSW death.... the issue really is about QLD's safety record, their Workcover regime and their system of allowing untrained workers in the industry in QLD.
                                                                                                  Pen... this should be about QLD & its systems, not the federal government.
                                                                                                  In any case, the number of deaths per 100,000 insulated homes is statistically the same before the scheme and during the schemes roll out. NO CHANGE in rates of injury or death. Why is there a royal commission into this?

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Econorat
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                                                • Econorat

                                                                                                  The electrical regulations and rules throughout Australia are more or less common throughout in accordance with SAA 3000. So it is of no difference where the fatalities took place, the fact is the Federal government ignored all of the warnings as I have cited. That's is it, they were ignored, end of story.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 12:55PM
                                                                                                • Pen how do you explain deaths only happened in NSW and Queensland?

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Amro
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:52PM
                                                                                                • accordance with SAA 3000 is irrelevant to installing insulation

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Econorat
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                                                              • The most criminal thing happening in Australia right now is that discussion about climate change, clean energy and the morality of what we are doing to helpless, desperate people is almost totally off the agenda!

                                                                                                We have more important things to worry about??!! The economy! Despite the fact that every single reputable economist admits that when Labor left office our economy was in very good shape considering what the rest of the world is experiencing.

                                                                                                We have to be more than cruel to unfortunate people!!??

                                                                                                We need to make sure the wealthy get richer and the poor get poorer! But, shush! Don’t tell anybody that that is what is really happening!

                                                                                                We need to pretend that we know what we are doing and that will be best for everybody. How many people are really fooled by that? Perhaps there are too many folk out there who are too ashamed to admit that they were totally blindsided and misled by the best in the world at ‘double speak’!

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                EM
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:42AM
                                                                                                • I hate to bring you the bad news, but if eastern Antarctica ice shelf melts to the extent of it begins to slide into the sea there will be no stopping it. Thereafter there will be no economy to worry about because Australia for the most part will have ceased to exist except as sea bed.

                                                                                                  Yes I'm afraid it is already happening. Sorry about that, carry on with your delusion.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 11:04AM
                                                                                                • So Pen, should we start buying boats off the anti-environmentalist delusional Tony Abbott?

                                                                                                  This Tony Abbott, Peta Credlin, Brian Loughlane and Joe Hockey government hate anything to do with climate change, environmentalism, scientists, and renewable energy research, they refuse to listen! Maybe this is why they studied law and finance, they must have failed science subjects. We all know that Tony Abbott has a lazy brain, that's evident by the way he walks!

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Sharron
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 11:32AM
                                                                                                • @Pen
                                                                                                  Is it really ‘credible’ to expect that everybody would read every single piece of information available somewhere in the world about something of interest to them? Is it even credible to expect that with the wealth of information available today that everybody is going to read all that as carefully as you would expect? Please re-read my post and still pretend if you can that climate change was not foremost in my thoughts.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  EM
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 11:43AM
                                                                                                • Pen is that the same ice shelf that is actually getting bigger? I suppose more ice is also because of global warming.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  brian
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                                • Sharon

                                                                                                  Obviously the best bet is to join the rest of the world and spend big on climate change infrastructure as a priority; otherwise anything else is like pouring water into a bucket with a hole. However with Direct Action as the do nothing centre piece of Abbotism, there is little chance that common sense and the nation's welfare will prevail. I suggest what will happen to Australia should the Eastern Antarctic ice shelf start to slip is increasing floods of our coastal areas, bearing in mind about 85% of the population live in coastal regions.

                                                                                                  “In an assessment of climate change risks for Australia and New Zealand, the IPCC says there will be “increasing risks to coastal infrastructure and low-lying ecosystems in Australia and New Zealand, with widespread damage towards the upper end of projected sea-level-rise ranges. It makes these predictions with “high confidence.’’

                                                                                                  And what does Hockey do: claim wind turbines “utterly offensive;” Hunt is into deforestation of Tasmanian wilderness while claiming to meet our Co2 abatement target; and Abbott in all reality gives the IPCC the finger.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  pen of hrba
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                                                • Brian

                                                                                                  “Parts of the vast ice sheet of East Antarctica – which collectively holds enough water to raise global sea levels by 53 metres – could begin an irreversible slide into the sea this century, causing an unstoppable process of global coastal destruction, scientists have warned.

                                                                                                  East Antarctica is widely considered to be more stable than the West Antarctic ice sheet but a study suggests that a large region of the eastern ice sheet is in danger of becoming irreversibly unstable once a relatively thin section of retaining ice on its coast is lost, the researchers said.

                                                                                                  A slab of coastal ice is all that is stopping the giant Wilkes Basin ice sheet from slipping into the sea. Once this process begins it will relentlessly continue to pour vast amounts of water into the oceans for centuries to come, raising global sea levels by between three and four metres, they said.”

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:07PM
                                                                                                • EM

                                                                                                  Humble apologises, please except a green metaphoric handshake.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:30PM
                                                                                                • Pen, the Abbott government's stance on deforestation, climate change and renewable energy is utterly disgusting.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Sharron
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 1:51PM
                                                                                                • Meanwhile Pen over on the other side there is .record ice. It has completely closed off the Weddell sea this summer.
                                                                                                  I was there in early December and we were unable to enter and this was still stopping the last ships of the year in February.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Andie
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 4:39PM
                                                                                              • And thusly begins the end of the first one term Federal Government in living memory.

                                                                                                I cannot for the life of me understand how they can increase the cost of living for all, give the companies a tax cut, break iron clad promises and think that in 2 years everything will be tickety-boo.

                                                                                                Bye LNP. It's been.... interesting.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Mark
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:37AM
                                                                                                • Given that the Liberals have done some creative accounting and have put $8 billion dollars into the Reserve bank, making this years finances look worse than they are, does that mean that just before the election they are going to take the money back out of the reserve bank and claim a surplus on the back of that?

                                                                                                  They're a Tricky bunch these Liberals

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Tricky Liberals
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 10:35AM
                                                                                                  • The $8billion given to the RBA is an asset to the country. It is only the dishonest or the stupid who say otherwise.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 11:42AM
                                                                                                  • PP... that $8billion gamble does not return any dividend while the $AU remains inflated. The Joe passed over $8billions when analysts were expecting the $AU to trade at 80cents against the$US. Pear shaped since then. Daytrading $8Billions... a sucker punch to Joe's ego, we all lose collectively. mug punting.... how grand.... the rest is empty spin to excuse Joe's behaviour....

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    RgRedfern
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                                                  • Creative accounting ? You must be joking. The only creative accounting has been the ALP and in particular Swanny in the last 6 years where the revenue was confected to match spending not the other way round. The ALP didn't get one single forecast right and despite this Swan and Gillard and Kevin lied to every person in Australia repeatedly especially about the never never surplus. The coalition has at least brought some reality back to the forecast unlike the last circus. It is obvious now that the ALP are so desperate now to deflect any idea about a budget problem they created (and which will get much much worse with unfounded ALP spending in the next few years). Apparently the budget needed to be brought to surplus just too fool the masses and then when they could the ALP just changed tact and now apparently there isn't a problem (that was there just before they did a 180 spin with a double twist). Such pathetic hypocrites those ALP drones.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Morpheus
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Kevin's massive ego
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 1:54PM
                                                                                                  • Er, creative accounting is when you fabricate the accounts to make them look better or worse than they are. Labor didn't do anything to make their accounts look better than they were (with a Triple A credit rating they probably didn't see the need), but the Liberals have put $8 billion aside in the RBA so that they can withdraw it and claim a miracle later. That is dishonest accounting and that's why it's creative accounting.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Jennifer
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Carlton
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 4:09PM
                                                                                                • Cigars all round for the birth of sextuplet TAXES.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Steeden
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Ballina
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  May 13, 2014, 10:33AM
                                                                                                  • The start of the FIRE SALE of our country begins today no thanks to all you LNP voting FOOLS.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    oldfella67
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 10:29AM
                                                                                                    • In all fairness, it was really a vote for the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, people didn't realise until today who the lesser of two evils actually was. We don't really deserve these politicians, but bring back Labor now please.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      James
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Cranbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:20PM
                                                                                                  • At least Mark Arbib's testimony has cleared up the mystery why 'progressives' always yell out 'Iuminati!' when they switch on the bathroom light.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    SteveH.
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 10:27AM
                                                                                                    • He must be really bamboozled of how exhaust fans begin to spin? He probably thinks it akin to beam me down Scotty, or perhaps warp drives and cloaking invisible wires.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 11:29AM
                                                                                                    • SteveH
                                                                                                      Given that so far this year there has been a workplace death every 2.1 days I'm surprised you find it a subject of mirth. Should we have an RC into workplace safety generally or do you think one witch hunt at a time's good going?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      rext
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:05PM
                                                                                                  • 10.09am

                                                                                                    So Shorten knows for a fact that Jacqui will lose her pension? Or is he just exploiting her to scare-monger?

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Puzzled
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 10:20AM
                                                                                                    • Nowhere in the 10.09am post is Bill Shorten attributed with suggesting that Jacqui would lose her Pension.

                                                                                                      As you argument has no premise, your comment is irrelevant. Or is it just an attempt at scaremongering?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      tasch2
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:30AM
                                                                                                    • A bit like the coalition with their commission of audit hatchet man designed to spook the horses ready for horse whisperer Joe to come and save the day!

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Joe the POM
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Geelong
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:39AM
                                                                                                  • So it came to pass on the day of budget reckoning that Abbott went into a church to pray: “I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.”

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    pen of hrba
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:59AM
                                                                                                    • Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the taxes.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Amro
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:16AM
                                                                                                    • Amro

                                                                                                      "And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Abbott, that all the world should be taxed. And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city."

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:39AM
                                                                                                    • Pen

                                                                                                      The Angel of the Treasurer came upon them and the glory of the Treasurer shone around them and they were sore afraid. The Angel of the Treasurer said unto them fear not for behold I bring you good tiding of great joy which shall be to all the disadvantaged.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Amro
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 11:17AM
                                                                                                  • AUSTRALIA - We have a problem!
                                                                                                    How do you deal with a Leader who thinks economic is BORING!
                                                                                                    Joe has convinced ABBO to go hard, hoping voter backlash will enable him to get his baton out of his rack-sack when the poll numbers turn sharply against the Government.
                                                                                                    The monkey and the organ grinder of T(AX) Abbott and Joe H(atchered)ockey are conjuring the now you see it and now you don't pay-freeze trick.
                                                                                                    Senior PS who are not party to the pay-freeze will reward their master with a list of 16000+ PS who are the sacrificial lambs.
                                                                                                    The pensioners who long supported the CONservative are hang-out to dry.
                                                                                                    The voters are to pay more for fuel or get fit walking to get public transport.
                                                                                                    The young who desperately wants a job has to hitch a ride to job interviews.
                                                                                                    High income earners are betrayed with the deficit levy and limit on PPL.
                                                                                                    Getting sick will now be more expensive with the co-payment.
                                                                                                    Those who advance themselves through higher education will have to pay more.
                                                                                                    Those with a disability are singled out for more scrutiny.
                                                                                                    Farmers may need to go back to horse drawn method to avoid the fuel excise.
                                                                                                    The only group who does not seemed to be affected are the mining/media moguls and Big End of town who after-all might consider increasing donations to those who scratches their backs.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Judgement Day
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:54AM
                                                                                                    • Judgement day for your dictionary me thinks!!

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Joe the POM
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Geelong
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:42AM
                                                                                                    • Me thinks I want what 'Judgment' is having...

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      GT
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Victoria
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                                                  • What's that fishy thing on the wall? A photo of their nanny?

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Christopher
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Abscrapistan
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:53AM
                                                                                                    • Probably one of the apostles in scales.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:42AM
                                                                                                    • Christopher, Abscrakistan, Gold, touché- I love it. Gotta giggle about something!
                                                                                                      And what do they do in this new nation?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 5:28PM
                                                                                                  • I wonder if Credin scripted Alan Jones questions for Abbott?
                                                                                                    We DO NOT have a financial crises.Our economy is triple AAA rated and the envy of the rest of the world.
                                                                                                    It was Costello who introduced the before tax superannuation contributions that enabled the wealthy to avoid tax. In theory Abbott can contribute half of his $500,000 salary to his super and not pay any tax on $250,000. And he probably is.
                                                                                                    We the voters are not stupid.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Arthur
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Mt Eliza
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:45AM
                                                                                                    • 10% contributions tax ... Now that is what is deducted at source from my Super Contributions. Are you sure he can contribute 250K and no tax?

                                                                                                      Additionally there are upper limits at which the 10% becomes your marginal rate of tax if you exceed in additional voluntary contributions.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Joe the POM
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Geelong
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:50AM
                                                                                                    • Please don't let the facts get in the way....but the maximum one can pay into super pre tax is $35000 per annum. If he is paying more then it is a maximum of $150000 per annum AFTER tax.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Melboy
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 10:53AM
                                                                                                    • Arthur, based on that comment and if many believe you then the voters are stupid. Your comments are way off the mark and display the ignorance commonly associated with labor voters green with envy.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 12:01PM
                                                                                                  • this is a problematic governnment - perverse, mendacious, subtle, crude, vindictive, contradictory, destructive, demoralising, demeaning, destabilising. We will be plagued with this governments wreckage for decades

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    rod steiger
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    toukley
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    May 13, 2014, 9:43AM
                                                                                                    • 8.43 -He spoke to AlanJones on the "wireless". Cute, that's apt.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 9:43AM
                                                                                                      • Yes ... quite odd ... who uses phrases like that these days? I reckon Tony (take me back to the good old colonial days with Dames, Sirs and Lords) Abbott would.

                                                                                                        Can we be told the source, or was it an aged Fairfax hack?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Joe the POM
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Geelong
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 10:45AM
                                                                                                    • What a day coming up. The 'tough love' budget, more Union corruption revelations together with Latham lurking around the public gallery, and Garret about to dump on Rudd in the pink batts commission. No doubt Milne will come out of hiding to explain her opposition to a wealth tax. The ALP/Greens train wreck continues.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 9:41AM
                                                                                                      • enough - isn't it time to change your moniker? starting to look a little ironic with this shambles of a government. While your at inquiries, why don't you pop into ICAC, to see LNP Ministerial witnesses sweat it out?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        rod steiger
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        toukley
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:52AM
                                                                                                      • Milne is being sensible by opposing the tax levy. While all of the imposts on low income earners and those on Centrelink payments are long term the wealth levy is only temporary.

                                                                                                        On that basis the Greens will oppose it in the senate. Furthermore the Greens want proper tax reform and not another appeal to wealth to the cost of workers.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 10:05AM
                                                                                                      • Disagree Pen, I think Milne should support it. 2 years is better than zero, and it is much easier to make a temporary tax permanent later on than try and get everything she wants now. By opposing it, she risks a worse outcome.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Joe Pierre
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Orange
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 10:40AM
                                                                                                      • She can't otherwise she will be seen as supporting a temporary impost on wealth, while she is demanding permanent tax reform. The two are simply not compatible.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 11:07AM
                                                                                                      • Levies tend to become permanent anyway. I don't see the medicare levy ending soon. Heck, Federal collection of income tax was supposed to be a temporary response to WWII.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Lewis
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 11:29AM
                                                                                                      • The Greens ministers don't want the levy bought in because they would have to pay it themselves, which is exactly against their ethos, they expect everything for nothing and those filthy capitalists have to pay for it all. Hey Pen?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Chris
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 12:13PM
                                                                                                      • Chris "The Greens Ministers" - hey I like the sound of that!

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 5:21PM
                                                                                                    • Every harsh cut and stinging tax increase makes me hate Labor even more for putting our country in this position.

                                                                                                      Just think - all these cuts and tax hikes still won't even balance the budget - Labor stuffed it THAT badly.

                                                                                                      Yes Labor spent and wasted so much money that even all these tough measures aren't sufficient to repair the damage.

                                                                                                      Labor - never again.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Gatsby
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 9:35AM
                                                                                                      • Catsby - this idiotic treasurer found a defecit and unnecessarily doubled it - he is a dope and will wreck any social advances made under Labor - One Term Tony isn't as nasty an epthet as Pig-Iron Bob butit''s just as apt

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        rod steiger
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        toukley
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:49AM
                                                                                                      • Gee, we could just sell off all the assets like Howard did... But wait, there aren't any left. That surplus that the LNP always delivers? Yeah that was because of the selling off of everything that Australia owned. Now with the privatisation of Australia Post coming up, will there be any more left when Hockey needs a surplus in 2 years?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        AussieA
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:52AM
                                                                                                      • Still falling for the mendacity of the Libs, eh Gatsby. Makes no difference - you were never a Labor voter in the first place, but many who abandoned them last time are not going to make the same mistake again.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        BC
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 10:00AM
                                                                                                      • Gatsby, I never heard of a more appropriate moniker for you- the only other one as good would be Nero- fiddling while Rome burned. I assume you would have taken no action when the GFC hit (can't interfere with the mighty free market), even though the GFC was caused by greedy bankers who took advantage of low income people because there was lots of money available to lend and the banks were greedy. I saw it from the inside and was appalled at the lengths mortgage and investment bankers went to make sales, even if they weren't warranted. And not one of those greedy bankers went to jail- evn though they wrecked lives (causing even suicides), devestated whole communities and waltzed away with big bonuses.

                                                                                                        The Labor Government thought quite rightly that it would not be a good thing for our economy to collapse. And the actions they took received accolades from economists including those at the IMF and OECD. So while we have debt (and you must not be an accountant or good with numbers), every reputable economist recommends at least some debt outstanding- that's good fiscal management and Australia's debt has been a very low % of GDP, far below every other major economy.That stimulus saved jobs (maybe yours as well) and kept our economy out of depression.That's a good thing.

                                                                                                        But that''s still not good enough, is it? Blame Labor for having debt and trying to stimulate the economy. And the party you support has just doubled that debt with its spending but promised not to raise taxes. And yet here we are with a broken promise debt levy due to a "budget emergency". It's the Coalition,s mess and yet you're still angry about what Labor did., Perhaps you should study your economics, I did.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Sydneybob1
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Armidale
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 11:38AM
                                                                                                      • Rod, how could Hockey double the deficit without even presenting a budget. Oh that right you think that the money given to the RBA is a liability and that the deficit is only $8billion.

                                                                                                        $8billion was only 1/4 of the amount that swan borrowed in between telling us that there would be a surplus 300 times and delivering the biggest deficit in history.

                                                                                                        But don't let truth get in the way of you Abbott hate.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 11:53AM
                                                                                                      • The accumulated deficit of the ALp Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government was $206 BILLION by June 30, 2013.

                                                                                                        Add to that the "surplus" that became a $30 BILLION deficit in PEFO in Sept 2013 and you have accumulated deficits of the ALP of $236 BILLION all borrowed.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Andie
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 4:43PM
                                                                                                    • Well if you are going to break promises may as well break them all and be accused of lying once.....for the term of your primemistership....

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      shemp
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      melb
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      May 13, 2014, 9:35AM
                                                                                                      • So the LNP has broken the 'no new taxes' promise. I wouldn't mind so much if they came clean about this up front. The temporary debt levy is going to hit the high earners but the removal of the fuel excise reduction will be the biggest pain for those who rely on the car for a living. It will push more people onto already crowded public transport. Has the government factored this in their infrastructure spending. It doesn't sound like it.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        stevek
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:34AM
                                                                                                        • Haven't you heard, he's a Roads Scholar.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          A country gal
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 9:45AM
                                                                                                        • Let's be honest about the fuel excise and how it will effect "families". Not many families will use more than 100 litres a week. If the levy is 2 cents a litre that will be a massive $2.00 per week. The prices for fuel changes triple that every week and the supermarkets offer a minimum of double that in discounts. It will hardly be noticed.

                                                                                                          Everyone wants better roads, they have to be paid for somehow. Let's just hope they keep the promise to only spend that excise on the roads

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Chris
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 9:51AM
                                                                                                        • Chris

                                                                                                          No son you are wrong again, don't you get tired of being a Lib lacky? Anyway your 2 cents per litre works out somewhat differently in totality. As of census day 2013 there was 17,180, 596 registered vehicles on our roads, if each uses two litres of fuel per day per year it amounts to an extra $1,254,183,50 (that’s billion by the way), in addition to the existing fuel excise of 38 cents. This will increase costs across the board and have dire consequences for those who can least afford it. If you cannot understand that this is morally wrong then I suggest you take a few lesson in ethics.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 10:33AM
                                                                                                        • Awesome Country Gal ... So obvious and so very funny.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Joe the POM
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Geelong
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 10:47AM
                                                                                                        • "Let's just hope they keep the promise", ah that's where your problem lies Chris

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          qldisfubar
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          qld
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 10:50AM
                                                                                                        • Oh Pen, your debates always start with insults and assumptions, I belong to no political party and have voted for both over the decades. I can also add up and know how much the levy will raise. What I cannot tolerate is deliberate misconceptions, Stevek was commenting on how much the levy will impact the individual car owner. I simply pointed out they will not notice it. Try reading what is written and stop looking for hidden agendas or conspiracies, your life will be so much more relaxing.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Chris
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 10:56AM
                                                                                                        • @ Chris:"stevek was commenting on how much the levy will impact the individual car owner"
                                                                                                          No.To save you the trouble, I will quote myself: "the removal of the fuel excise reduction will be the biggest pain for those who rely on the car for a living". Some of them (tradies, taxi drivers, couriers, etc) might be travelling 100km+ per day, let alone a week.
                                                                                                          As someone who always uses public transport, I can say the buses are more crowded at the start of the fuel discount cycle (when the price is 60c/L or more. Now you work it out again whether the fuel excise levy will have an impact.
                                                                                                          @country gal: "Roads scholar"! Brilliant.
                                                                                                          Hit the road, Tone and don't you came back no more, no more, no more...etc"

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          stevek
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 11:43AM
                                                                                                        • Chris - a very naive post that does your credibility no favours. So you can't see any addition to the cost of running a business? Any addition to the delivery of goods and services? Any additional cost to provision of services such as the electricity and gas and water companies having cars on the road to service infrastructure? And do you think those costs will be handed down to households? Or will those providers just take a cut in the profit margins? If you think the only impact the increase i the levy will have will be on the cost of fuel people put in their car then it is hard to take much of what you say seriously.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Credlinbility
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:25PM
                                                                                                        • What I find so dishonest is that they added GST to fuel, and stopped the excise levy, because the GST take will always increase due to inflation. Now they want their cake and eat it too. And why is everyone so happy to accept this triple inflationary tax?

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Tone
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:26PM
                                                                                                        • Stevek, Now I have the tune in my head! I think it has the capability of being a national theme song. Can just visualise it. Cool.
                                                                                                          Around this neck of the woods, a mate dubbed a HWY Road Crew as "The Tar Babies". Personally, I'd rather see this crew Tarred and Feathered.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          A country gal
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 5:01PM
                                                                                                      • Here's hoping Abbott/Hockey/Corman grow a spine & BREAKS those silly promises. $1Bn a month growing to $3Bn in interest payments alone will otherwise enslave our future generations.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Lewis
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:32AM
                                                                                                        • Lewis - half that deficit was borrowed by the LNP to gift the Reserve Bank an unnecessary backup. So you can thank the LNP for $1.5 billion of those repayments - with NO benefit - what a shambles of a government

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          rod steiger
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          toukley
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 9:56AM
                                                                                                        • Huh??!? The $1Bn/month is interest payments on a $300Bn debt. The "gift" to the RBA was only $8Bn. BTW, they didn't give that money away. It's still there in reserve. They just transferred it from government pocket to another.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 10:27AM
                                                                                                        • Lewis,
                                                                                                          it's silly to talk about government debt in nominal terms. Yes the figures are large to you and me but they are small to the federal government in terms of % to GDP or revenue.
                                                                                                          the % to GDP of debt has already dropped from 20% to 16% from 2012 -2014, with out the current government having done anything yet.
                                                                                                          As the GDP grows (we hope) government debt decreases to GDP from 16% to 5% in 10 years. That's because of growing GDP & the effects of inflation.
                                                                                                          it's all rhetoric to talk in $, it's meaningless.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Econorat
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 12:26PM
                                                                                                        • Econorat, I actually find looking at government debt as a percentage of GDP misleading, albeit most pundits do it. GDP is the sum total of all economic activity and does not belong to government nor can it even be remotely equated to government income.

                                                                                                          Let's look at it as a percentage of government revenue & it is approaching 100%. That is a credit card debt funding reoccurring expenditure that is approaching total income & accelerating.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 1:12PM
                                                                                                        • Lewis,
                                                                                                          if you find it misleading then you are on your pat malone.
                                                                                                          $100k of debt between me, you or a pensioner depends not on the nominal amount but on the % to income.
                                                                                                          As government income is directly proportional to GDP then it is most appropriate to define it as debt to GDP ratio. NOT IN NOMINAL terms.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Econorat
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 2:58PM
                                                                                                        • I am suggesting to define it as debt to revenue ratio as well but not debt to GDP, which is not only misleading but sillier. BTW government revenue is not consistently proportional to GDP. Just ask your uncle Wayne & he'll tell you the sad story of his vanishing surplus despite a respectable GDP growth.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 3:21PM
                                                                                                      • Abbott squeezed in a trip to church? Was that to have a chat with Mr Iscariot or with one of the Herod's?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:32AM
                                                                                                        • No pen, he just had a bit of repenting to admonish. Besides, the cilice needed a "readjustment" ahead of the big day.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          A country gal
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 9:49AM
                                                                                                      • The only problem being solved is the fact that a) they know the true state of the finances before the election so they chose after the election to increase the problem to justify b) knowingly making promises to get elected which they cannot keep. If they were a company they would be investigated by the ACCC for misrepresentation and fraud...

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Tired
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        May 13, 2014, 9:30AM
                                                                                                        • What was it Whitlam said? God may well save the Queen but nothing will save the GG(replace with Abbott)

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Amro
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          May 13, 2014, 9:28AM
                                                                                                          • I can't wait for the "Problem solving' election.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            The truth
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            May 13, 2014, 9:23AM
                                                                                                            • Why is there no talk of TA being kicked out as leader? He only won by a single vote last time, surely there are rumblings of his performance which should be reported far and wide!

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Hiccup
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 9:23AM
                                                                                                              • Hiccup, TA won by one vote when he deposed MT in late 2009. Since then the LIBs have had two more leadership spills where TA was elected leader unopposed.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:20AM
                                                                                                              • When did they have leadership spills ?
                                                                                                                I must have missed that in the news ?
                                                                                                                Can you provide any media links so that I can inform myself ?

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Joe the POM
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Geelong
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:52AM
                                                                                                              • The LIBS have a leadership ballot where all positions are declared vacant after every election. They had one in 2010 and another one in September 2013. Both times TA was elected leader unopposed.
                                                                                                                www.news.com.au/national/...elected.../story-e6frfku9-1225916600887

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:20AM
                                                                                                              • www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/13/abbott-and-bishop-re-elected

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:21AM
                                                                                                              • There have not been any other leadership spills regarding tony Abbott just the one.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                maureen
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:35AM
                                                                                                              • Yes, Abbott beat Turnbull by one vote. One vote is all it takes. Then, for good measure, Abbott went on to get rid of Rudd twice, and also Gillard.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Four term Tony
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Whyalla
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                                                                              • AND, Abbott was re-elected to the Liberal Party's leadership unopposed twice since then. First on September 9, 2010 and again on September 13 2013.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:59PM
                                                                                                              • They ain't got no one eer... as er....umm.er.....articolate

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                mb
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 8:35PM
                                                                                                              • Because the only alternative is Turnbull, and caucus loathes him!

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                saliero
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 9:36PM
                                                                                                            • To take your mind off your headache I'm going to kick you in the groin. Believe me it's for your own benefit and because I really care about you!

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              rext
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              May 13, 2014, 8:37AM
                                                                                                              • rext, I feel a passive revolution coming on.
                                                                                                                Whilst the masses hurt, like they've never hurt before- they will awake. The convoy of no consequence mob won't know what's hit them once 'the budget' kicks in. All that confected outrage over a price on Carbon will negate and people power will emerge.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 9:39AM
                                                                                                              • ACG, you should nip down to the corner store and stock up before the lights go out.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                SteveH.
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 9:52AM
                                                                                                              • It still amazes me how the people of Australia can be so side tracked by a flat earth party as is the lnp that the carbon price was directed at them. If labour had made the polluters pay for it without being able to pass it on there would be no hysterics from the far right except their mates would be unduly treated, but who cares they are the ones that are killing the world make them pay.The people who where being hit by these killers of the planet were being compensated by the govt anyway. how easy is it to lead some people around by the nose.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                rastus
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 9:59AM
                                                                                                              • SteveH, my lights are fine, I'm off the grid. Say g'day to Mr Whiskas for me. I do have to go though, but it's not to the shop.
                                                                                                                Bye, have a fun day.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 10:08AM
                                                                                                              • ACG, going out ? probably buying candles ! good no more inane comments today, can't wait for tomorrow

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                ACG fan
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 11:11AM
                                                                                                              • ACG, the moans and groans that Abbott emits during normal conversation are a channeling of all the pensioners who will kark it under his brutal regime. Their final words, we might say.

                                                                                                                We must remain strong in the memory of our Lost Ones and KICK THIS BASTARD OUT

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Axis
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                                                                              • SteveH., I certainly missed your doomsday advice when Hockey announced that our finances were a catastrophe, how we are facing a budget emergency, and how we were close to becoming Greece or Spain.

                                                                                                                I also wonder what comments you made in response to Barnaby Joyce's announcement that the carbon tax would result in a $100 roast, or that Whyalla would be wiped off the map... you wouldn't have been prone to hyerbole or alarmist comments, would you?

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Guybrush Threepwood
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 3:29PM
                                                                                                              • @ACG Fan
                                                                                                                Lol, I'm back, and I'm back from of all things, a creative writing course!

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                May 13, 2014, 4:46PM
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