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Election wrap: 16 August, 2013

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  • Kev's always gotta upstage Tony. This photo will be everywhere tomorrow!

    Commenter
    Rick
    Date and time
    August 16, 2013, 4:22PM
    • There will be no pink batts 20 20 sumit carbon refugee debt under the "new" Kevin/Julia/Kevin back stabbing opposition that I lead.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Date and time
      August 16, 2013, 4:14PM
      • Hmmm not much going on here, guess I will just go back and watch the paint dry and have that afternoon nap!

        Commenter
        ultra
        Location
        Mel
        Date and time
        August 16, 2013, 4:02PM
        • Looks like the old boys still got it in him LOL Go Ruddy!

          Commenter
          Kippo
          Date and time
          August 16, 2013, 4:02PM
          • OH god stop it! I feel crook thinking about it.

            Commenter
            Adam
            Date and time
            August 16, 2013, 4:15PM
        • As this election progresses, it becomes clearer that splitting hairs will be easier than finding a difference between the ALP and the Coalition...

          Commenter
          pseudomys
          Location
          Melbourne
          Date and time
          August 16, 2013, 4:01PM
          • Looks like the Beattie idea of Rudds has turned into a corka of an idea according to the latest poll. Even Abbott is more popular in QLD.
            Julia must be wetting herself laughing while she sits by the pool at her new home.
            On a serious note, I think Julia would have done a better job of this campaign than Rudd actually.

            Commenter
            Mick
            Date and time
            August 16, 2013, 4:00PM
            • You could be right

              Commenter
              Tim of Altona
              Date and time
              August 16, 2013, 4:09PM
          • OH that photo of Rudd looking, well you know where, has to be one of the funniest photo's I've seen for along time!!!! ROFL
            It has to take out "photo of the campaign"

            Commenter
            Mick
            Date and time
            August 16, 2013, 3:55PM
            • Photo @3.45 - I wonder what John Bissett's eyes are focussed on - looks like Ruddy's having a bit of a sneaky peep as well.

              Commenter
              Tim of Altona
              Date and time
              August 16, 2013, 3:54PM
              • Might find it a bit uplifting.
                He's human after all.

                Commenter
                A country gal
                Date and time
                August 16, 2013, 4:13PM
              • He looks like he's in no hurry to zip.

                Commenter
                brian
                Date and time
                August 16, 2013, 4:18PM
              • True, but Rudd should just make a clean breast of it and admit his campaign is faltering.

                Commenter
                Tim of Altona
                Date and time
                August 16, 2013, 4:24PM
              • Didn't he say he'd been over the wire, a gaffe -he really meant underwire.

                Commenter
                A country gal
                Date and time
                August 16, 2013, 4:55PM
            • not"cat " and "cream" more like ogle. Kev did the sly ogle and his mate the full on ogle. Nice one boys....and have the nerve to throw the dirt at Uncle Tony

              Commenter
              billyboy
              Date and time
              August 16, 2013, 3:54PM
              • First it was 'moving forward', now we have 'a new way'. Just how many chances does Labor think they deserve by telling us that things will be different?

                Commenter
                adrian
                Date and time
                August 16, 2013, 3:52PM
                • 3.40 pm
                  1.22 people not enrolled?
                  Hmmm

                  Commenter
                  David D
                  Location
                  Ettalong Beach
                  Date and time
                  August 16, 2013, 3:50PM
                  • Oh my - have a look at Kev's smile and Bisset's eyes.

                    Commenter
                    Hacka
                    Location
                    Canberra
                    Date and time
                    August 16, 2013, 3:50PM
                    • Good god Kevin and John seem to be blushing and perving.
                      Great pic.
                      "PM announces his breast, whoops best policy".

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      August 16, 2013, 3:49PM
                      • Nice one ACG

                        Commenter
                        Tim of Altona
                        Date and time
                        August 16, 2013, 3:59PM
                    • Labor’s shock decision to recruit Peter Beattie as its candidate for the federal Queensland electorate of Forde appears to have backfired spectacularly, with the Coalition on track to win the seat in a landslide - from AFR poll.

                      Commenter
                      Baltic13
                      Date and time
                      August 16, 2013, 3:37PM
                      • Tell Indonesia the actual cost to the Australian Tax Payer for refugee that comes to Australia by boat will be deducted from the total aid money Australia gives.

                        No more boats.
                        No more suffering
                        More refugees through the front door.
                        Reduced Deficit

                        Problem Solved!

                        Commenter
                        4Ken
                        Location
                        Auburn
                        Date and time
                        August 16, 2013, 3:36PM
                        • End of Week 2.

                          Abbott well ahead on points.
                          Rudd backs into corner to find his trainer.... has left the stadium.

                          Commenter
                          beasleyst
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          August 16, 2013, 3:34PM
                          • Does anyone else wish the Election was this Saturday?
                            I'm weary of seeing Rudd surrounded by people in shopping centres or in schools as though being in perpetual motion nearby people unknown to him will make voters like him more?
                            Abbott spends more of his time with his Liberal candidates in their Electorates, supporting their campaigns, meeting their constituents.
                            I like that.

                            Commenter
                            yys
                            Date and time
                            August 16, 2013, 3:30PM
                            • please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP BLO*&DY KISSING BABIES..
                              PLEASE.. JUST STOP.....
                              and dogs, toddlers.
                              It's gross and insincere.
                              JUST STOP....
                              (and seriously.. kids are taught NOT to want or even let total strangers that close.. )

                              Commenter
                              ARGHHHHHHH
                              Location
                              queensland
                              Date and time
                              August 16, 2013, 3:30PM
                              • Newspapers continue print decline
                                http://mumbrella.com.au/abc-newspapers-continue-print-decline-173008

                                The Sydney Morning Herald fell 17 %

                                I would expect being an election year that circulation would be higher than normal, once the election is over and things return to normal, circulation will drop even further and another round of redundancies at Fairfax will be announced.
                                Good luck on the future and a change in media laws by Abbott, then the eventual buyout and shut down of Fairfax by Murdoch.

                                Commenter
                                Charles Foster Kane
                                Date and time
                                August 16, 2013, 3:21PM
                                • Steph, The Map is great concept except on my first click the info on my seat of Mallee is wrong.. The Libs are trying to gain control putting up a candidate but it is held by retiring National John Forrest. Even John would be insulted to be called a Liberal.
                                  It is at present the least marginal seat in the nation.

                                  Commenter
                                  A country gal
                                  Date and time
                                  August 16, 2013, 3:16PM
                                  • Let me see if I have this right; under the RRA
                                    (Rack off Refugees Arrangement), the Government will send irregular arrivals to PNG; they wont settle in Oz or get Oz visas.
                                    The Coalition accepts that they will be sent to PNG, wont settle on OZ, and the wont get OZ visas. Not only that, the visas they wont get are TPVs.
                                    Bit like saying *no porridge for you!.. and the porridge you*re not getting will be cold!*
                                    Thanks Admiral Bumbles; all clear now

                                    Commenter
                                    David D
                                    Location
                                    Ettalong Beach
                                    Date and time
                                    August 16, 2013, 3:06PM
                                    • If the election was not so farcical I would vote?

                                      Commenter
                                      Pen of hrba
                                      Date and time
                                      August 16, 2013, 3:21PM
                                  • buffy, latest odds at 2-57pm.
                                    Libs $1-10
                                    Labor $ 7-00
                                    Says it all really.

                                    Commenter
                                    thepres
                                    Date and time
                                    August 16, 2013, 2:58PM
                                      • No wonder we never hear from 'ten seat majority for Julia' J. Fraser anymore.

                                        Actually there's an entire platoon of the regular Leftie regular commentators who seem to have gone missing in action since the demise of Julia whats her name.

                                        We're down to the last bunker crew now.

                                        Commenter
                                        SteveH.
                                        Location
                                        counting the cost
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:10PM
                                      • and there's more.........

                                        Shorten is on $2.80 to be new ALP leader by Dec 31

                                        Rudd is on $4.00.

                                        Speaks volumes..

                                        Commenter
                                        Tim of Altona
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:18PM
                                      • SteveH - at least Buff is still having a go fighting for the reelection of the Pepsi Max kid as Smack would say. Points for effort Buff.

                                        thepres - those odds seem a little unbalanced in a two horse race.

                                        Kev's still got about $30 billion spare on the national credit card until he's broke.
                                        Perhaps he should put it all on Labor at $7. If he wins there's $210 billion windfall to pay off the debt, if he loses he won't care anyway.

                                        Commenter
                                        Hacka
                                        Location
                                        Canberra
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:25PM
                                      • In the meantime your dopey mob can't stop opening their mouths and coming out with nastier and nastier positions - all they had to do was shut up and win by default, but that's the trouble with ideologues; they can't help themselves.

                                        What's Morrison's next step? Midnight raids on those who have already arrived by boat? You neocons must be so proud - you're outdoing the teabaggers in the US.

                                        Commenter
                                        BC
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:30PM
                                      • True Hacka, and don't think we don't appreciate your efforts BBill, mind you life isn't any easy for Demons fans either.

                                        If only Labor hadn't sacked their star full forward so early in the season.

                                        Commenter
                                        SteveH.
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:42PM
                                      • Time to fire up the bbq gents, thankfully I got my bet down at $1.19 when Jules was still PM.

                                        Commenter
                                        adrian
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 4:04PM
                                    • Classic Leunig as usual.
                                      Given Anthony's obsession for mixing with trucking magnates - whoops donors, gambling tycoons and Clubs Australia it's not far from the truth.
                                      There will be no light with Abbott just darkness. No glimmer of hope.

                                      Commenter
                                      A country gal
                                      Date and time
                                      August 16, 2013, 2:57PM
                                      • It'll be like the fall of Rome ACG, we'll all have to ride shaggy ponies and wear pointy steel hats with horns on them.

                                        Oh and drink lots of beer (sounds kinda fun to me).

                                        Commenter
                                        SteveH.
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:16PM
                                      • As long as we aren't fed to the lions SteveH. I'll go for the wine and togas though.
                                        Few slaves, I could do with a slave or two.
                                        A Nubian one.

                                        Commenter
                                        A country gal
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:36PM
                                      • A total of 14,712,799 people are now enrolled to vote on September 7.

                                        Err, make that 14,712,798, I am not doing the dastardly deed. Do I come across as stupid?

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:45PM
                                      • Go on, Kev open your eyes, I dare you.

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:48PM
                                    • Rudd accused of "glitches" in communication with Party HQ

                                      Off on a "frolic" of his own

                                      Ain't "The New Way" grand !

                                      Commenter
                                      Louis Cypher
                                      Date and time
                                      August 16, 2013, 2:56PM
                                      • Who would ever imagine Kevin off on a "frolic" of his own, he has never ever ever ever done that before has he.

                                        tick, tick, tick, tick,,,,,,

                                        All air force flight attendants had better lodge their holiday forms before the explosion, because it will not be Kevin's fault.

                                        Commenter
                                        jojar
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 3:18PM
                                    • Genghis

                                      You said it not me, all I can do is agree with what you say. Indeed the facts of the matter prove my agreement to be right and true.

                                      Commenter
                                      Pen of hrba
                                      Date and time
                                      August 16, 2013, 2:43PM
                                      • We have so much to be proud of. A camp on Nauru and PNG. So many lies from our politicians. They have even convinced us that climate change is not worth voting for. The economy is not worth costing. We can pay off $500 billion without cutting costs and increasing taxes.

                                        Are there any further stupidities we need to believe before voting?

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        August 16, 2013, 2:40PM
                                        • We have so much to be proud of. A camp on Nauru and PNG. So many lies from our politicians. They have even convinced us that climate change is not worth voting for. The economy is not worth costing. We can pay off $500 billion without cutting costs and increasing taxes.

                                          Are there any further stupidities we need to believe before voting?

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          August 16, 2013, 2:35PM
                                          • I love in the video of Wyatt Roy, he states that "Kevin Rudd and labor have outsourced boarder control to another country"
                                            It's amazing how people can just lie willi-nilli an no body challenges them if it's the truth or not.

                                            Commenter
                                            Tim
                                            Location
                                            InnerCity
                                            Date and time
                                            August 16, 2013, 2:25PM
                                            • Interesting issue pending now for the voters in Rudds electorate of Griffith. With all polls indicating a Labor loss, do you get rid of Rudd now, or have to wait for the bi-election to elect Dr. Glasson? When Labor loses, Rudd will probably be replaced as leader, and Griffith will end up again with a powerless and friendless back bencher in opposition. Rudd will probably then retire from politics, causing a bi-election which Bill Glasson would be unlikely to lose. Just another side issue worth contemplating. You saw it here first.

                                              Commenter
                                              Facts are
                                              Location
                                              Brisbane
                                              Date and time
                                              August 16, 2013, 2:25PM
                                              • Rudd's already sent his resume across to the UN. Glasson will take his seat in the Griffith by-election.

                                                Rudd knows within himself he only has a couple of weeks left as PM.

                                                Commenter
                                                Tim of Altona
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 2:40PM
                                              • Given you're both so clairvoyant could you please enlighten me as to who will win the Melbourne Cup this year?

                                                Commenter
                                                tasch2
                                                Location
                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 2:57PM
                                              • No, but I can give you the numbers of last night's Powerball.

                                                Commenter
                                                Tim of Altona
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 3:14PM
                                              • Actually tasch, I have picked the winner of the last two Melbourne Cups.

                                                Commenter
                                                Facts are
                                                Location
                                                Brisbane
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 3:32PM
                                              • I don't care about the last two, I'm worried about the next one. It is instructive though that both comments involve going back to the future it gives a window into our potential new government.

                                                Commenter
                                                tasch2
                                                Location
                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 3:55PM
                                            • Rudd says -
                                              "I think our opponents are worried about it [the policy] because they know it's a winner."
                                              This sounds so childish. The Coaltion have already in Feb discussed this.
                                              So he steals an idea from Abbott and then goes on to say Abbott is worried because he knows it's a winner!
                                              Hello his own Party ridiculed Abbott for it!
                                              Has Rudd lost the plot?

                                              Commenter
                                              Hugh
                                              Date and time
                                              August 16, 2013, 2:24PM
                                              • Alistair

                                                Exception: this atheist tells the truth about religion.

                                                Commenter
                                                Pen of hrba
                                                Date and time
                                                August 16, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                • I'm amazed at how many lies Kevin Rudd keeps telling. Even when he's proven wrong he continues to parrot them.
                                                  Breathtaking.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  AhjI
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 16, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                  • Its because he has nothing, simply nothing else to say.
                                                    He can't spruke labor's record of the last three years can he!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    jojar
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 2:20PM
                                                  • Consider Nauru has six portable toilets for several hundred people, many with dysentery. No running water to wash clothes. And an Australian government is about to send children without parents to this?

                                                    What does it it remind you of in recent human history?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 2:26PM
                                                  • He was railroaded from office the first time after the breathtaking lies about the mining tax parrotted by the Coalition, the big mining companies and a completely compliant media (apart from a handful of brave voices like Laura Tingle). If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

                                                    Any Coalition supporter attacking Rudd for exaggerating anything is a hypocrite, pure and simple. They lied about the auditing of their figures last time. They lied about the mining tax, and about the carbon tax. Many of them including Abbott were part of the government which lied about children overboard during an election campaign. It's a joke for the Coalition to campaign on trust or honesty, an absolute joke, and the media rarely dares point this out.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Arky
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                  • Rudd tells porky's big time! He's even better than Julia at it.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Andy
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                  • Apparently, we, the voters, gave Kevin Rudd a mandate in 2007 to dismantle the Pacific Solution, even though he never even mentioned he would do that during the entire campaign. In fact, he said he would 'TURN BACK THE BOATS'.

                                                    Unbelievable, if it weren't true.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Rodrigo
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 3:58PM
                                                • Rudd should realise that he looks like Harold Wilson and take into account what happened to Harold after his overspending?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 16, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                  • you must be a coalition supporter - you are focussed on the past

                                                    Commenter
                                                    21st cent
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 2:46PM
                                                  • 21st cent

                                                    Not me. I simply make an observation that KRudd looks like Wilson. All Rudd requires is a crooked pipe?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 3:07PM
                                                • IT seems as though the coalition are still living in the howard era,
                                                  their policies are still the same,Does anyone remember the children overboard ,which they used to gain power ,now its happening all over again.
                                                  the same goes for the economy still talking about howards surplise's
                                                  they seem to forget that is hockey and abbot now and not costello and abbott

                                                  Commenter
                                                  why worry
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 16, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                  • Cairo is another Damascus waiting to happen. Religion mixed with politics? Will they never learn?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 1:33PM
                                                    • Atheism - the new religion

                                                      Commenter
                                                      genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 1:40PM
                                                    • genghis

                                                      Atheism is the absence of religious belief, therefore not a religion.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 1:54PM
                                                    • Pen, you missed the sarcasm. The point was so many atheists approach their lack of belief with such religious fervor these days, they may as well be a religion.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alistair
                                                      Location
                                                      Windsor
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:00PM
                                                    • It's not religious like fervour, it's frustration, that otherwise intelligent people can believe in all that rubbish in the 21stC.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Norm
                                                      Location
                                                      Maroubra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                    • Norm - 84% of the world with religious faith must be dumb then, and the intellect of down under is leading the way?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:25PM
                                                  • Ten photos of Abbott and posed hor camera. The 3 photos of Rudd include his standard air blowing all over his face
                                                    Should Rudd wear a hairnet like Abbott. When will he get equal pictorial representation in the biased column

                                                    Commenter
                                                    tashman
                                                    Location
                                                    melb
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 1:29PM
                                                    • Because people have more interest in the next PM, not the one on the way out.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim of Altona
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                    • You'd think Alex and Andrew could find someone with more sex appeal.
                                                      Not favouring someone who gets confused on which end the suppository goes.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      A country gal
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:21PM
                                                    • A country gal

                                                      I think I have found something else for us to agree to disagree on :-)
                                                      Abbott does have a measure of sex appeal,
                                                      In my view his authenticity, sparkle in the eye, good turn of phrase, not being a slave to political correctness, athleticism and that weird odd ball laugh of his make him much a more interesting man than fake Rudd.

                                                      It's another 'in the eye of the beholder' thingy
                                                      .

                                                      Commenter
                                                      yys
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 3:03PM
                                                    • Fair suck of the sauce bottle ACG don't tell me you think Rudd has sex appeal.. Pale, a bit pudgey and a comb over? Mind you I didn't realise he had a comb over until the photo today..now I realise why he was screaming mad when there was no hair dryer available in Afghanistan.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                      Location
                                                      Brisbane
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 3:25PM
                                                  • Until Albo comes clean on the status of the NBN (by releasing the updated business plan that sits on his desk), the opposition has every right to claim a cost of $94 billion.

                                                    After all Labor said they'd spend $42 billion on the GFC stimulus package and finished up spending more than $200 billion on top of that.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Hacka
                                                    Location
                                                    Canberra
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                    • I thank them Hacka as do many others including but not limited to -

                                                      The IMF thanks them as does the World Bank, OECD, Blackrock and lets not forget the Nobel Prize laureate and Professor at New York's Columbia University Joseph Stiglitz and of course so do the millions who have kept there jobs and seen the economy continue through out.

                                                      But hey once you clear the plastic bags off the copper network..and have a quick lesson on smoke signal then the LNPs version of the NBN will have advanced to in the 1850s by then

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Buffalo Bill
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydneys Northshore
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                    • So that means that until the LNP releases the costings on their policies people have every right to say that there is $70Billion black hole...or could it be $170B?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      tasch2
                                                      Location
                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                    • tasch2 - well yes i suppose you could. The only small difference is that Malcolm's $94 billion claim is based on a few reasonable assumptions.

                                                      Buff - the bond market sure thanked them. Tell us, why do you think Albo might be sitting on that report and not releasing it ?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Hacka
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                    • Buffalo Bill

                                                      Modern wire and cable joining techniques do not require plastic bags or anything else to keep integrity.

                                                      Copper from an average street to a house carries more than adequate capacity for the vast majority of home computer users.

                                                      If anyone wishes to have more data carrying capacity than copper can provide then they can pay for it like everyone already pays for gas, water, and electricity installed on private property.

                                                      You are trying to make the absurd seem reasonable.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                    • Hacka
                                                      Apparently there is an NBN $5billion overspend.

                                                      When will they ever learn?

                                                      http://www.afr.com/p/technology/contractor_demands_cause_billion_2mtA80DzIsfpCsngike2aI

                                                      Commenter
                                                      yys
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                    • yys - probably because the back of the envelope didn't include enough space for proper costing estimates.

                                                      When your contractors are going broke en masse, it suggests you haven't got your numbers right.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Hacka
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 2:49PM
                                                    • Is a reasonable assumption "mostly true" or "mostly false"? Or, if you base your assumption on a statement from the Shadow Finance spokesperson does it improve its value on the reasonable assumption scale. Of course then you have to actor in that the Shadow Treasury spokesperson contradicted the Shadow Finance spokesperson saying the Shadow Finance spokesperson was wrong and it could either be 50, 60 or 70B and then said it was all BS. Perhaps you could define it all as "mostly confused" or "mostly inept".

                                                      Commenter
                                                      tasch2
                                                      Location
                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 3:07PM
                                                  • I know a quick fix to the Australian budget deficit why doesn't the government invest a flotilla of leaky tubs from ebay and start ferrying reugees back here.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    captain haddock
                                                    Location
                                                    Timor Sea
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 16, 2013, 1:16PM
                                                    • So the NBN costing $94 million and not $44 million is "half true", but probably true according to Peter Martin.

                                                      Either way we have another porkie told repeatedly by Labor, don't we?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 1:13PM
                                                      • I wish it were only millions...

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lewis
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:22PM
                                                      • "Probably true" is overstating it.

                                                        We'd have Politifact look at the cost of Coalition policies except of course Abbott is hiding the numbers to prevent that scrutiny. And apparently to save us all from boredom.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Arky
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:29PM
                                                      • I'm losing count of the Rudd Labor lies now. I find it interesting Journo's never ask him questions to explain the lies he keeps telling.
                                                        The 70 billion dollar lie is still being advertised on our TV's everyday.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Gem
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:34PM
                                                      • Sorry, I stand corrected billions it is.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                      • I don't get it. Why we wasting money on this technology. It will be out of date in a couple of years when everything moves towards wireless. Seems like a White Elephant.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Sarah of Carnegie
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 2:08PM
                                                      • No porkies there from Labor.. It only is 1/2 true because polity-fact cant verify it. It's a bit like "stop the boats" from Abbott , it can't be verified cause it hasn't happened yet, so does that make "stop the boats" true or false?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tim
                                                        Location
                                                        InnerCity
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 2:42PM
                                                      • Sarah you are absolutely correct...you just dont get it going by that\ statement.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Rob68
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 2:43PM
                                                    • Anthony Albanese @AlboMP

                                                      Joined at #NBN switchon in Windsor by @Susan4Macquarie and Liberal @LouiseMarkusMP #everyonedeservesNBN pic.twitter.com/bWEaydiQBI

                                                      1:51 AM - 16 Aug 2013

                                                      Gee - that's the switch for the NBN??? 100 billion dollars for that new technology, can anybody from Windsor verify this? are you connected?? can you send proof, just tweet a pic

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 12:52PM
                                                      • Labors NBN is like Sanat Clause. Lots of peolpe believe in it lots of peolpe look forward to it, and lots of people believe it will come right into their house.
                                                        Just like sanat clause, it doesn't actually exisit but we don't want to tell the kids untill they are old enough to handle it.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Cwitty
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:15PM
                                                      • I'm from Windsor, didn't know Albo was in town until I saw the picture. Coincidence, I actually called Telstra yesterday to see if they could connect me. Gave them 2 numbers, one is my home and one my business - both literally in the same block, 5 doors apart. They could connect my home, but not my business. Which is why I was interested to see the quote about "homes and businesses"

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Alistair
                                                        Location
                                                        Windsor
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                    • I suspect Rudd having talked about surviving Kokoda and going over the wire in Afghanistan will be due to bring up how he landed in Gallipoli any day now.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 12:49PM
                                                      • No, but I think he claims one of his forebears landed at Gallipoli - where's the fact checker when you need him?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tim of Altona
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 12:58PM
                                                      • But he is Kev. From Queensland and he is here to help!

                                                        Kev my hero! Save us Kev. Save Australia!

                                                        It is in trouble because of the Labor Party!

                                                        Commenter
                                                        4Ken
                                                        Location
                                                        Auburn
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                      • Never underestimate Kokoda Kev........

                                                        * Ghosts sit around the campfire and tell Kevin Rudd stories.

                                                        * When Alexander Bell invented the telephone he had 3 missed calls from Kevin Rudd.

                                                        * Kevin Rudd doesn't call the wrong number. You answer the wrong phone.

                                                        * Kevin Rudd counted to infinity - twice.

                                                        * Kevin Rudd was born in a log cabin he built.

                                                        * Kevin Rudd does not sleep. He waits.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        genghis
                                                        Location
                                                        Lounge
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 1:39PM
                                                    • Kev - stop the comb over and hair flick you are going bald, please just accept it. You will get a few less offers for selfies but Australia will still love you.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 16, 2013, 12:46PM
                                                      • Hi Stephanie. Anyone thought of interviewing Julia Gillard and asking her what she thinks of the latest poll numbers?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lewis
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 16, 2013, 12:32PM
                                                        • Stand down peeps - it's okay. I think we can all agree it's a dog. No doubt some kind of "-oodle". Just goes to show, once again, how important the camera angle is.

                                                          Its called a Labordoodle, Steph.

                                                          They start off as cute puppies but soon grow up to be huge bloated creatures that eat you out of house and home,
                                                          bark incessently at the moon, and make a terrible mess of the carpet.

                                                          A breed best avoided.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          SteveH.
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:30PM
                                                          • Ha ha ha.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Lewis
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:38PM
                                                          • SteveH

                                                            Seems as though you are Steph's pet for the day, whilst we are on topic.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            $keptic
                                                            Location
                                                            Melb
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:43PM
                                                          • It's a Spoodle actually

                                                            Cocker Spaniel + Poodle

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim of Altona
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:56PM
                                                          • Time to make a Ruddoodle

                                                            An attention seeking dog that doesn't shed hair or require comb overs.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Genghis
                                                            Location
                                                            Lounge
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:01PM
                                                          • onbviously, because if it was a Liberaldoodle it would have been wearing speedos

                                                            Commenter
                                                            insomniac66
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:07PM
                                                          • A ruddoodle would be quite snappy when not getting his way

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Beth
                                                            Location
                                                            Preston
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:16PM
                                                          • I would expect you would have to carry hundreds of plastic bags when taking the ruddoodle out for a walk

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pip
                                                            Location
                                                            Springvale
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:26PM
                                                          • Its a wonder that Scott Morrison has not yet put the put dog in Mandatory dentention !

                                                            The dog would probably be afforded greater rights though !

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Buffalo Bill
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydneys Northshore
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:35PM
                                                          • A ruddoodle may not be a mans best friend

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Phil
                                                            Location
                                                            Footas
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                          • BuffBill, I reckon Morrison would have a tough time prying it out of Rudd's hands, it looks like Kevin has finally found a friend in politics.

                                                            Lets hope Precious doesn't turn on him, a lot of Labordoddles do that in the end.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            SteveH.
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                          • I think there is little doubt who would win a contest of the "Precious".

                                                            Should the contest be extended to the attributes of faithfulness, loyalty and unconditional love. - the dog wins.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Louis Cypher
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 2:20PM
                                                          • Kevin - You need to step AWAY from the dog - please understand it doesn't vote, it doesn't understand your lies, it doesn't remember your shoddy performances, it doesn't get the concept of white-anting your ALP collegues....

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Smack
                                                            Location
                                                            City of the Fallen
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 3:05PM
                                                        • For those looking to vote for the Coalition, are you voting that way because you can't stand Labor, or because you actually like the policies that Abbott is putting out?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          pseudomys
                                                          Location
                                                          Melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:15PM
                                                          • I can't speak for everyone, but I'd say equal amounts of both...

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Kevin
                                                            Location
                                                            here to help
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:17PM
                                                          • I like their policies.
                                                            Soon they will tell us how they cost them.
                                                            Hopefully they will do it sooner than the standard Labor time: 5pm Friday the day before the election.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            George
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:28PM
                                                          • All those in favor of European style austerity measures as well as the violation of human rights and the Geneva convention say: "Abbott for PM"

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Mali
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                          • I've never contemplated such a regressive/repressive act.
                                                            I value my vote and my country.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            A country gal
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 2:09PM
                                                        • Where is English boat person Abbott putting his 100 Dams?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Steeden
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:08PM
                                                          • Does the word suppository give you a hint Steeden?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Buffalo Bill
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydneys Northshore
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:16PM
                                                          • Nauru?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            tasch2
                                                            Location
                                                            Mornington Peninsula
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:26PM
                                                          • If we are to populate our northern climes further then climate change will insist that we use alternative water storage methods than in the past. Indeed we could do worse than to copy the Greek method of water capture and storage still in use at Alexandria.

                                                            A modern version would be to accommodate any new city with underground car park like structures as water reservoirs connected together by pipes. In rural areas super-size pre-cast concrete tanks comprising individual wall sections slotted in place to realise one or more kilometres in diameter is not beyond our engineering skills.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                        • I wonder what the Aboriginals thought seeing the first fleet refugees arrive here.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Steeden
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:07PM
                                                          • Steeden, if you believe so strongly in this being Aboriginal land, should we all leave it to them now? Lets not be hypocritical and stay on their land. Or is life too good for us all now?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Genghis
                                                            Location
                                                            Lounge
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:55PM
                                                        • Even a poodle cannot escape from the clutches of Rudd fast enough?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:05PM
                                                          • Here we go, Rudd has run out of kids so now he is on to the poodles.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            George
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:30PM
                                                        • Kevin Rudd is like a boxer who hasn't fought for 3 years. He is rusty and starting to come apart at the seams.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Out of Shape
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:04PM
                                                          • Rudd brought out his asylum policy and many people cried foul. Abbott brings out a new policy and hey preso the same reaction from the same groups. Unfortunately all these naysayers beat the commentaries with negativism and never offer any alternate solutions. Well to all you naysayers contribute some positive solutions before your criticize any of the political parties for their asylum policies. If you cannot offer any positive solutions then please spare us from your negative comments.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Alternate Solutions
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 16, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                            • Recently someone mentioned the “Talmudic Distinction”: after 70 CE the Rabbi’s of Pharisee tradition were in control, thus all writing was banned, because the word of God did not require pen and parchment, all that was required was the word of the Rabbi’s.

                                                              Come forward 1900 years and here we are back in the old tradition. Rabbi Rudd and Rabbi Abbott tell us their words and off we go into the wilderness following a cloud by day and a fire by night. Err, in case you are getting confused cloud and fire are metaphors by the way?

                                                              However, every generation for 1900 years believed in a literal cloud and a literal fire as God’s guiding hands through the wilderness. No one told them it was a proverbial Abbott and proverbial Rudd each pulling a fast one.

                                                              The wilderness turned out to be a hell of place, either it was too hot or too cold, no rain at all and then floods were everywhere. Food requirement required miracles, and things got progressively worse despite cloud and fire promising a land of milk and honey, which incidentally resulted in the longest war ever known.

                                                              The moral of the story: do not trust the clouds of Rudd and the fire of Abbott because where they lead the change of climate will give you nothing but hell.

                                                              Here endeth the lesson.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Pen of hrba
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 16, 2013, 11:57AM
                                                              • Yeah, I was thinking that....

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Kevin
                                                                Location
                                                                here to help
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                            • I'm prepared to call the election now - Labor 65 seats, Independents 2, Greens 0, Coalition 83.

                                                              You read it here first....

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Asty
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 16, 2013, 11:40AM
                                                              • Bob Katter is no longer considered an independent MP. He now heads the KAP. I do agree with your count however. The Coalition with a majority of 18.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Lewis
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 12:25PM
                                                            • I wonder which Perth primary school Rudd is making his WA Business Council (uncosted thought bubble) policy announcement from?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Tim of Altona
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 16, 2013, 11:38AM
                                                              • With Labor it's Rudd Rudd Rudd and the occasional cameo of Burke.
                                                                Where have Bowen, Wong, Albo, Pliebersek etc disappeared to?
                                                                Apparently their media strategy is going awry.
                                                                See this:
                                                                http://m.afr.com/p/national/item_xC6o78Rgb6qLeIm6JzPSEP

                                                                Commenter
                                                                yys
                                                                Location
                                                                Not Ruddy Happy Campers
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:22AM
                                                                • Where's Mal Brough?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Mr Ed
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Katoomba
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:10PM
                                                                • Mr Ed - Mal Brough is not a minister or even a shadow minister. He is even a recently ex-shadow minister. To add to the questions where is Emmo, Wayne Swan, Conroy, Combet, Shorten, Gillard..... the list goes on and on and on. None of them prepared to stand up and endorse Rudd. It should make an interesting campaign launch. Who will be sing in the front row as Kev enters the arena? Who will be first to shake his hand?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Denny
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:04PM
                                                              • SHY statements illustrate why the Greens vote will fall at the coming election. They don't see their role as representing the people but as telling the people what they should think, how they should behave and what is good for them.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Puzzled
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:22AM
                                                                • That's right because the Greens focus on policy and deal in science and fact where as the typical LNP voter is immersed in ignorance, focussed on self interest and hero worships that guy playing with a oversized Tonka Toy , gutting a fish in a factory somewhere and uttering meaningless 3word slogans..

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  yosarrian
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:20PM
                                                                • Ah, puzzled is Populist Fundamentalist! Do what the great mass think today. What you want is leadership puzzled, not dictatorship though, but someone who listens, reflects, feeds back, develops the best course of action, explains it, takes criticism on it, refines it, implements it.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Norm
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Maoubra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:25PM
                                                                • They don't deal in economic science. thats for sure.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Brisbane
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:39PM
                                                                • Puzzled, that is one of the good things to come out of this election, SHY will be gone along with Brandt.
                                                                  Also Labor are going to take a pounding.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  thepres
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 3:11PM
                                                              • Still yet to hear how the Coalition propose to "turn back the boats when it is safe to do so".

                                                                When is it safe to turn back a boat??? Would a boat from Sri Lanka be turned back??

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Sam
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:21AM
                                                                • It may be pertinent to refrain from deep sea fishing in the future.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  tasch2
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:11PM
                                                                • tasch2 good point you might find yourself in Iraq make sure you take your papers with you when fishing.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  amro
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:22PM
                                                              • @11.02am, why not, it's about to become theirs.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Norm
                                                                Location
                                                                Maroubra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:18AM
                                                                • Funny, I thought it was supposed to be Ours.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  tasch2
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:05PM
                                                                • Ha ha, wishful thinking, we are but citizens, we own nothing.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Norm
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Maroubra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                                • Precisely Norm and that is the issue.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  tasch2
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                              • As my grandfather used to say "The simplest solutions are often the best" and perhaps this philosophy should be applied to our undocumented arrival policies instead of the current expensive and unsuccessful "race to the bottom" policies of our two largest political parties.

                                                                The basic problem appears to be resentment towards "queue jumpers" gaining an unfair advantage over genuine UNHCR refugees awaiting resettlement after unacceptable waiting times. Surely a simple unambiguous policy of returning all undocumented arrivals to a UNCR refugee centre for processing and accepting an equivalent number of UNHCR-certified refugees who have been waiting longest for resettlement would immediately and effectively annihilate the marker for people smugglers through a measure that would be welcomed by all sides and set an example for other countries facing similar problems.

                                                                Most importantly, this measure would meet with approval from all sides of the undocumented arrival debate as it gives a win-win outcome for all sides whilst possibly helping reduce waiting times for resettlement of genuine refugees fleeing persecution and/or genocide.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                silvershadow
                                                                Location
                                                                Mid-North Coast NSW
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:18AM
                                                                • While your idea has merit, you need to run the scenarios. The number of people that are processed through the camps is minicule, and the UNHCR is totally overwhelmed. Add to that, the unlikelihood that any of the countries with the camps would accept a one-for-one exchange, and it all falls over. What is certain, though, is that more needs to be done to make processing work - it's alright for the conservatives to take umbrage at "queue jumpers", but when the queue is decades long I'd fancy they would jump pretty quickly themselves if placed in the same situation.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BC
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:31AM
                                                                • BC,

                                                                  Yes I am aware of the problems you mention however I believe most of these can be reduced by negotiation and "aid diplomacy" from the First World.

                                                                  The first step is always the hardest and Australia could make a start by offering foreign aid using money currently allocated for refugee accommodation and processing that will not be required once the policy is implemented and helping Third World countries that will benefit from increased foreign aid and generation of local employment.

                                                                  The solution has to start somewhere by someone taking a stand and championing the cause; perhaps Australia could take this on when it assumes the Presidency of the UN Security Council in the immediate future.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  silvershadow
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Mid-North Coast NSW
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:47AM
                                                              • Both major parties are going election-crazy. The north plan of both parties sounds very problematic to me...and now this bizarre twist to the refugee issue! The coalition approach is simultaneously less effective but more cruel. Least the PNG solution is a clear choice; if a genuine refugee, either apply to live in Australia through the other channels or take a boat (to a life in PNG). TPVs by contrast give people hope but indefinite limbo. You may settle in here, meet someone special, only to have it all ripped away when your country is deemed safe (however true or not that may be). Refugees (like most humans) won't think that far ahead - they will risk their life for a TPV...hoping things will somehow work out and they'll get to stay. In short, more boats will come! Am I missing something?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Passionfruit
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                                • The other cruel aspect is the retrospective bit. It's one thing to "punish" those who come knowing the consequences (however questionable that process may be); it's quite another to punish those who acted in different circumstances. Imagine the furore if negative gearing was abolished for both new purchases and properties already bought with this factored in! Unfair, people would scream (me being one of them). So how does anyone think this refugee policy is okay then?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Passionfruit
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:32AM
                                                                • When this whole thing started (when Howard twigged that there were votes to be had) it was all a matter of "border protection" - we weren't going to let undesireables into the country, after all look at where they were coming from - some of them were probably even TERRORISTS! When the influx grew in the past 6 years, it was once again a matter of National Security - until we all witnessed in real time the horror of what happened at Christmas Island. It then shifted from keeping the terrorists out to saving the poor unfortunates from drowning. All of a sudden it was HUMANITARIAN. But now that Rudd is playing the same game, it's back to tracking down those undesireables who have "breached our borders" so we can send them packing. Not really a matter of saving lives anymore, is it?

                                                                  And if it appeals to you, says everything about you.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BC
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:49AM
                                                                • BC, for me personally it's a bottom of the list issue. The problem is not everyone is like me. There are only two ways this will stop being an ugly divisive issue (with the horrible consequences for all, including our country - to get a bad government by default due to this issue): a warm cuddly bipartisan (or tripartisan) approach where somehow lives arent lost, or the boats stop or slow to a trickle. I suspect Labor realised the former just ain't going to happen...for years if ever? So they are left with stopping the boats. Of all the proposals by the major parties so far, the PNG solution plus greater humanitarian intake is the most logical path. That's why I'm moved to write - if we are going to have an approach that some deem "cruel" then can we please have the most logical, most effective one. I happen to think Labor's is the least cruel as well because of greater certainty involved.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Passionfruit
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                                • Passionfruit, good post.
                                                                  Abbott is singing straight out of Howard's song sheet. Ruddock is his shadow on the trail/trial both Ministers when Tampa attracted the votes.
                                                                  Dumbing down has been an outstanding success.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 3:05PM
                                                              • the tub thumpin, chest beatin, pitchfork totin protectors of our morality and borders have outdone themselves. Very cleverly. I can almost hear them mumbling *that*ll stop em askin about our costings* while spittin terbacka and chewin straw.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                David D
                                                                Location
                                                                Ettalong Beach
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 11:01AM
                                                                • And yet sadly a recent poll has the good burghers of Penrith supporting Abbott at 60%+ primary. Maybe we should just build a big electric fence.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BC
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                                • Can it be around Penrith?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Arky
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:16AM
                                                                • They Support the local Fiona Scott!
                                                                  When compared to David "I am with Julia" Bradbury. Selecting Fiona Scott is very easy. Although Fiona Scott has been helped by Kevins Same sex marriage announcement and the tax hike for people with lease cars… turns out there are a lot of nurses in the seat worried about getting to work.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Cwitty
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:33AM
                                                                • Please explain to me the "tax hike", Cwitty - foolishly I had thought that the law hadn't changed but the requirement to actually keep a log of business miles to claim BUSINESS MILES was to be enforced. Tell me how people who actually do legitimate business miles (for which they get the tax break) will be subject to a "tax hike"?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BC
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 12:27PM
                                                                • BC - Ask the nurses that will have to get a bus home after their late shift. They are the ones who have not broken any laws but will now be asked to pay extra TAX. If people have to pay extra tax when they have followed all of the rules it is a TAX HIKE. The government is already banking the predicted extra money because it is a TAX HIKE. The law HAS changed (don’t worry you don’t look foolish) twice. Gillard already changed the rules… But Rudd had to change it again for branding purposes. These same tax avoiding nurses probably claim the standard $300 unsubstantiated deductions in their income tax returns as well like thousands of other people! Outrageous! Luckily Rudd’s here to sort out these cheating nurses! Luckily for the Nurses they have the option of voting for Fiona Scott.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Cwitty
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:00PM
                                                                • So by your standards, Cwitty, if there's a rule that says you should have legitimate expenses before making a claim, it's ok to NOT have them because nobody's going to check. Hmmm.

                                                                  If you'd said that poor suffering nurses (who by the way your Liberal Party State Governments underpay) should be given a tax break because of their circumstances, that would be different. But I suspect that you wouldn't want that, because then how would the struggling six-figure earners with cars get any of that?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BC
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 1:10PM
                                                              • A propos of fluoro vests--I know a coupleof long-term unemployed blokes who always wear fluoro vests to the club--they reckon girls will think they've got an actual job!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                jacko
                                                                Location
                                                                anstead
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 10:55AM
                                                                • Jacko they better watch it - someone might mistake them for pollies and egg them or worse...

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  David D
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Ettalong Beach
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:21AM
                                                                • Who buys their beers?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Norm
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Maroubra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 11:30AM
                                                                • Norm, Anthony prefers a light shandy- all froth and bubble no effect.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 2:24PM
                                                              • 10:36 post
                                                                The critics of Rudds northern development plan are limp wristed when compared to how the plan was originally criticised back in Feb when it was just a Liberal policy. Back when it was a liberal only plan it was described as "dividing the country". Here is the missing link to SMH criticism of the plan before it was adopted by Labor.

                                                                http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tropical-tax-zone-plan-destined-to-be-a-grand-failure-20130207-2e03z.html

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Cwitty
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 16, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                                • You seriously taking Kevin Rudds Northern "what ev's" non policy seriously?
                                                                  It's not worth even commenting on, it's absolutely nothing. No costings, no details, no documents, Rudd changed his mind on the policy 3 times in one press conference.
                                                                  C'mon get real. It's not even a talking point. Rudd wouldn't have a clue!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Angus
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 10:43AM
                                                                  • Rudd's campaign is unravelling by the day - yesterday's 'announcement' in Darwin was a farce.

                                                                    Rudd is now resorting to saying anything knowing he will never have to deliver - the election may as well be tomorrow so we can put this Labor govt out of it's misery and move on.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tim of Altona
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:01AM
                                                                • Abbott has shown how low a politician can go, his cruelty towards asylum seekers is no policy to safeguard Australia. He is turning us into a nation of heartless bigots. Shame on you. How dare call yourself a Christian.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Mali
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 10:37AM
                                                                  • Yeh Rudd's a better Christain look at his asylum seeker policy. Fair and humane.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Anna
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                                  • Yes let's just open the door let everyone in. Why don't we run boats ourselves to and from Indonesia ?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Kaboda
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                                  • Rudd's policy tries to stop future asylum seekers from jumping on boats, Abbott is about to take away the rights to those who have made formal applications and have been waiting for processing in detention camps for years. One is prevention, the other is annihilation.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Mali
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:17AM
                                                                  • Kaboda, that is the Greens policy.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tim of Altona
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:25AM
                                                                • Another day another pro Abbott "featured comment" what a shock.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Macca75
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 10:29AM
                                                                  • Macca75 - you could always jump on the bandwagon :-)

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Hacka
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:43AM
                                                                  • Macca75 - c'mon over from the dark side and join the winning team.

                                                                    Winners are grinners and Hacka and I have plenty to grin about.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tim of Altona
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                                  • Tim - yes there's plenty to grin about right now but never forget the ghosts of 1993. Or is that the chocolate cakes of 1993 ?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Hacka
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:05AM
                                                                  • This might be a novel idea..... but if you write something witty, interesting or relevant, you've probably got a fair chance of getting on the featured comment list

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Asty
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                                  • Hacka, I have every confidence that Credlin and Ruddock will ensure there is no repeat of '93.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tim of Altona
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                                  • Tim - hope you're right. The Ruddock role is interesting. He seems like he's there as a mentor / minder / protector. Or maybe he's there to add some sex appeal to the Abbott campaign team !

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Hacka
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:56AM
                                                                • The long and luminous shadow of John Howard appears on the campaign - "we will determine who comes here".

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Hacka
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 10:26AM
                                                                  • Disgraceful, isn't it?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    BC
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                                  • The Shadow is long because the sun has just about set on him, yet still his successors live in without regard for the dawn of tomorrow.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    tasch2
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Mornington Peninsula
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                                  • and cry foul like a baby when other countries in the world laugh at us...

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    hhmmmmm
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                                  • John Howard, his government and his time in office will stand tall as a cornerstone of competence in the annals of this nations history, casting a dark shadow over the speedbump formed by this Labor governments gross negligence and incompetence.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Asty
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:14AM
                                                                  • Asty, John Howard was like Smaug of Hobbit fame, he took a pile of gold and sat on it as an ends in itself and a monument to his own lack of vision.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    tasch2
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Mornington Peninsula
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 11:40AM
                                                                • I'm looking forward to David Bradbury commenting on Kevin's NT development plan. Given the coward will run a mile from interviews today, what do you think he would have to say?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Denny
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  August 16, 2013, 10:26AM
                                                                  • The Liberal's policy is the most heartless in a generation. I'm absolutely ashamed to be an Australian and I'm literally fighting back the tears as I type this.

                                                                    Who's going to march down to the local school and remove the little kids who've been there for 2-3 or more years and send them back to the hell-holes from where their parent's fled?

                                                                    Who's going to rip away families from the communities where they've actually managed to make somewhat of a better life?

                                                                    I can't believe it's come to this,

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Peter
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Lismore, NSW
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:20AM
                                                                    • And Labor policy is good?
                                                                      At least under Liberal if they are true refugees they get to stay.
                                                                      Under Labor (supposedly) they all end up in hell in PNG regardless!!!!

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      George
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:29AM
                                                                    • Good ole Shire christian boy Scott Morrison. He*s gonna love it

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      David D
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Ettalong Beach
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:34AM
                                                                    • Peter,

                                                                      There will always be some hardship in a decision like this. BUT, something has to be done. This is a decisive "hard" call, but unless someone takes a hardline approach, we will continue to see people drown attempting to get here.

                                                                      Refugees will still be accepted into Australia via controlled measures. The TPV's are only for boat arrivals.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      dRod
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:34AM
                                                                    • I'm ashamed that you are australian too. Typical labor luvvie who always prepared to attack a conservative and ignore both truth and labor policy. Its funny how you cheered rudd when he dismantled the policy of Howard, you ignored the 1200 deaths, you cheered rudds plan to send everyone to hell in PNG and you are back to sneering and jeering a coalition plan.

                                                                      I shouldnt be suprised but the hypocricy of the left never ceases to amaze.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Denny
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:52AM
                                                                    • George @ 10:29....wrong, wrong, wrong. The inhumanity of the policy is that people who have already arrived by boat, and who are found to be refugees don't get to stay. They get put on TPVs and could be kicked out after having lived here for 3, 5, 8+ years. Would you like to live with that threat hanging over your head?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Peter
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Lismore, NSW
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 12:39PM
                                                                  • Love the fluoro vest photo. The sign they are standing on pretty much sums up their form of political debate and discourse over the last 3 years....NO.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Rob68
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:16AM
                                                                    • They look like the 3 Amigos. I'm sure the Liberals will accuse Alex Ellinghausen of typical Fairfax bias in framing this shot.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Norm
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Maroubra
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:46AM
                                                                  • Seriously going on about the costings is so ridiculas. Both side always do this every election so WHY do the media waste so much time on it!
                                                                    Fair enough they get questioned about it BUT all day every day!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Al
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    August 16, 2013, 10:16AM
                                                                    • Pandering to the worst of the Australian character. This is a perfect example of why we just can't afford to have this man and like thinkers anywhere near the reins of power in Australia. I don't want a man in control who believes he could be a world maverick. This is colonial nineteenth century isolationist thinking.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      RTP.
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sawtell
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:15AM
                                                                      • RTP,

                                                                        What is your solution? How would you stop people jumping on boats and potentially drowning?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        dRod
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 10:36AM
                                                                      • If the issue is preventing people drowning then I can't see why its ours to solve. Are we extending the "nanny state" beyond our own borders and into the lives of people who are not Australian Citizens. Surely the Liberal party of free enterprise can understand the notion of individual choice. If someone wants to pay top dollar to risk their life then surely it is their own business and not that of a free enterprise government, especially where the transaction takes place on foreign soil. To say the policy is being implemented to stop people drowning is far fetched.

                                                                        If you were to say the policy is aimed at saving money, or, keeping people out of the country, or, trying to implement an orderly process then at least you would have something credible to hang your hat on. But then you would have to deal with the cat calls involved with appearing to be heartless, a bigot or a racist.

                                                                        Unfortunately it would seem that any of the reasons mentioned have given way to the fact that in modern Australia it appears that whoever can be the hardest line on this issue will get the most votes, which is a sad comment on all of us.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        tasch2
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Mornington Peninsula
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 11:02AM
                                                                    • Abbott's asylum policy makes me ashamed to be an Australian. I am so disappointed in my fellow countrymen for giving these views support.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      David Allen
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Woy Woy
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:14AM
                                                                      • I am ashamed of being Australian today. Please do not let this man be our PM.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Believer
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 10:39AM
                                                                      • You should be ashamed that Rudd and labor changed the policy that has lead to over 1200 people dying at sea. If you had integrity then this policy would cause you eithe shame or anger.

                                                                        Why is it the left forget that this whole issue comes back to poor policy decisions by labor. Boat re not even an issue in 2007 because Howard fixed the problem.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Denny
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 10:59AM
                                                                      • So many of you say ashamed of the solution etc. It is so easy to be negative. Instead of just being ashamed what do you propose to be the solution to the boat people?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Neutral Voter
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 11:14AM
                                                                      • Neutral Voter, my solution is to treat these people with humanity, process them in Australia, give permanent residency to genuine refugees and quickly return any people who are not refugees to their home.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        David Allen
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Woy Woy
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 12:47PM
                                                                      • David Allen - if you were that ashamed you would you have not continued to occupy aboriginal land. It is not too late to correct past wrongs.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Genghis
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Lounge
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                                    • Forget the politics of this.

                                                                      Goal: Stop drownings of people getting on boats to travel to Australia.
                                                                      Result: LNP policy will work.

                                                                      Australia will still have refugees processed through the proper systems.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      beasleyst
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      August 16, 2013, 10:12AM
                                                                        • Exactly, there will still be refugees allowed into Australia. This policy is directly aimed at boat arrivals. It is harsh, but the right thing to do. It will stop the boats.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          dRod
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:30AM
                                                                        • +1

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Alternate Solutions
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:04PM
                                                                      • Please remember that the Coalition is simply targetting the boats. There are still tens of thousands who are deseprately waiting on formal approval to come here, who are being processed through the proper channels (and these do not include any form of maritime craft).

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Kate (short for Bob)
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Steve
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 10:08AM
                                                                        • > Please remember that the Coalition is simply targeting the boats.

                                                                          They're not targeting the boats.

                                                                          They are targeting the votes.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Peter A
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:16AM
                                                                      • Are real people actually impressed by these guys (and sometimes gals) poncing about in fluoro vests?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Norm
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Maroubra
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:57AM
                                                                        • The facts are Norm, that OH&S regulations apply to every worksite/place in Australia. All visitor's are required to comply with those regulations. Abbott regularly gets out into the real world of manufacturing plants, factories and other work places and correctly follows the regulations. If you don't want t see politicians in protective regulatory gear, follow Kevin Rudd who spends every day in primary schools campaigning to 8 year olds. Not too many high vis vests needed there.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tim of Altona
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:20AM
                                                                        • I can see you're "impressed" Tim, but then we know you are a rusted on Abbotite, so your comment is far from unbiased. I did say "REAL PEOPLE". And your little attempt to turn my question sideways into WH&S (It's not been OH&S for a while Tim) is irrelevant.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Norm
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Maroubra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:35AM
                                                                        • Norm - correct WH&S, my apologies.

                                                                          Also, I am no great fan of Tony Abbott.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tim of Altona
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 2:18PM
                                                                      • Refugees.... Yes I agree we can't just let anyone in. Neither can we afford to take all in, no matter how much we might wish.
                                                                        However, look at the enormous contribution previous comers to our country have made.
                                                                        Somewhere, there must be middle ground, where we operate with compassion.
                                                                        Allow in ones who will be peaceful and live with our laws, leave out any violent/ terrorist ones.
                                                                        We gain a lot from new people and cultures. And be fair, many people are genuinely desperate.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Rough-Ready
                                                                        Location
                                                                        NSW
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:56AM
                                                                        • The "plane people" don't get much attention. They must be feeling left out.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 2:03PM
                                                                      • Some interesting articles in SMH today -

                                                                        1. When Alan calls Barry picks up
                                                                        2. Baird attacked over Board appointments.

                                                                        These might not be in the same category of the Obied scandal from a "$" point of view but very much in the same category from a "principle" point of view.

                                                                        Disgusting!!!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Sam
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:52AM
                                                                        • Sam I still have a couple of straws left from Gillard sweep out.

                                                                          You can have them to grasp in the next few weeks if you'd like.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Louis Cypher
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 2:36PM
                                                                      • Abbott just loves his Tonka Toys doesn't he?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lewis
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:44AM
                                                                        • Mee too
                                                                          I have always loved Tonka toys and Frankly the public are a bit sick and tierd of the opposition hidding behind the true cost of their Tonka Toys, when frankly they have always been part of true Labor values...

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kevin
                                                                          Location
                                                                          from Queensland
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:02AM
                                                                        • And Kevin Rudd loves himself.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          George
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:15AM
                                                                        • @George_ you comment is totes amazeballs #yolo #MyRuddyFuture #MeToo

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kevin
                                                                          Location
                                                                          From Queensland
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                                      • Abbott has just put the people smugglers out of business. They and their potential clients, will look at this policy, together with the opinion polls and probably the betting markets, and realise that, with the pending coalition win, the game put in place by Rudd in 2007, has now finished.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Facts are
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:43AM
                                                                        • You really have no idea do you?top the boats? Neither side can do it in the current world climate and their dogged determination to make this an issue when there is so much more to discuss of greater importance is mind boggling. Just a shame the government now decides to follow the rednecked, racist and scaremongering ways of the Noalition.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          First Rate
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:54AM
                                                                        • Agreed. I always felt that Howards most effective border protection policy was the TPV.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Lewis
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:09AM
                                                                        • Yeah cause Indonesian people smugglers spend all their time reading Australian opinion polls and checking the odds at centrebet...

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Harold
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:11AM
                                                                        • Harold you are out of touch if you don't think people smugglers and their clients don't know everything about our policies and which government means what it says.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:16AM
                                                                        • Harold. There's something around now which is well used by the people smugglers. It's called, "the internet".

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Facts are
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:28AM
                                                                      • Liberal Candidate for Chisholm John Nguyen, who originally came here as a refugee, was quoted in The Age on 8 August as saying about the Liberal asylum seeker policy ''It's a more equitable and fair process. Let's see if we can take as many people as we can from camps".

                                                                        Anyone journalist want to go ask him if the Coalition is actually taking "as many people as we can from camps" or if in fact they're dead set on slamming the door on people in the same position he was once in?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Arky
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:34AM
                                                                        • I imagine a Murdoch newshound will jump at the chance and have huge bold headlines, "WHO LET THIS MOB IN".

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                                      • How come there is so much focus on 7 weeks of Rudd rule and no focus on 3 years of gillard mess ups? It just doesn't add up. are the ALP taking the voters for fools? There should be a justify Gillard campaign for this election campaign!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Kelly K
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:23AM
                                                                        • Kelly

                                                                          How about 3 years of TA in opposition beating his chest... The reason the election is still a contest is because of TA. Only 30% of AUS like him and his negative politicis and that is along party lines.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Sam
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:43AM
                                                                        • Yes they need to justify how they governed in a majority government. How they got away with legislating groundbreaking reforms like the NDIS and set the ball rolling on Gonski. They had also better step up to the plate on how they did all this within a period of some of the most vitriolic, deceitful, negative behaviour from the opposite side of parliament. Yes they have a lot of explaining to do. Lets hope you never require DCA or a decent education.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          First Rate
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:47AM
                                                                        • Me too.
                                                                          Frankly I was just about to mention two things. 1. Julia ruined the Party 2 The oposition have been very oppositional and Frankly we do not like it.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kevin
                                                                          Location
                                                                          from Queensland
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:57AM
                                                                        • Very good response First Rate, there should have been a lot more, unfortunately it is just going to be ripped to pieces after all the hard work.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Ken
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:17AM
                                                                        • With over 10 billion taxpayer dollars wasted on a refugee mess created by Labor, they decided to make hardworking taxpayer pay more on a Medicare levy. Also only half of the 800,000 disable people will qualify for something substantial. Don't make a comment that makes you like Labor an open target! If Gillard was so good why did Labor replace her?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kelly K
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:27AM
                                                                        • Kelly K you need to get some facts in your Coalition spin. I work in disability and the NDIS is the best thing and has been demanded by disability organisations for years and it took one gutsy politician to get the job done. Little Johnny Appleseed had the surplus to do it but refused. Nothing from the coalition little blue book will change that fact. I invite you to read up on the policy, read up on the implementation and talk to people who are in the middle of it.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Rob68
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                                        • Rob68 if you work in the disability sector you will know the NDIS is a selective BS scheme. If you state otherwise I know you are a liar

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kelly K
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:06PM
                                                                        • Yes I do work in the disability sector and responsible for setting people up into DCA and its as selective as it needs to be so that correct funding goes to who needs it when its needed otherwise you would have a scheme like say the current FBT model for cars, where people can reap the taqx benefits when they are not entitled to them. But I tell you what kelly when I come across a person with a disability that doesnt say this is going to change their life for the better then I will vote liberal....not going to happen. Again get your facts from the policy, from the people implementing it and from those that can't wait to access it. If you still think it's BS and would prefer to keep block funding models where the majority of people get little to no support, are left on wait lists for years and where people under 50 have to live in aged care because the supports just aren't there then go ahead live in la la land.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Rob68
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 1:12PM
                                                                      • Abbott showing his true colours again. So much for the rhetoric about asylum seekers on boats taking places away from refugees who go about it "the right way". It's really just about playing on fear of brown people.

                                                                        I look forward to the likes of Hacka telling us how this actually shows what a caring natural bloke Abbott is.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Arky
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:21AM
                                                                        • Well at least it is better than Rudd showing his true colors on the Northern solution (copied from the LNP) and the gaffs in one press conference on the topic. Rudd has done the complete opposite of what he stated in the election announcement.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Negativity
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:08PM
                                                                      • It seems that history does repeat itself. Back in 2007, in order to be a small target, Rudd copied many Howard policies. 2013 looks no different. The dams and food bowl plan, offshore processing, public service cuts – all scoffed at initially are now Labor platforms.

                                                                        In the next few weeks perhaps we can expect to hear Rudd adopt three word slogans and utter the famous words: I will “stop the boats”.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Hacka
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Canberra
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        August 16, 2013, 9:08AM
                                                                        • Obviously Hacka, this is why Labor has been so keen to hear the coalitions policies. Rudd wants to copy them and say "me too" again. It's a lot easier than creating your own ideas. On another point, I see that Labor has not yet released their costings. Bit hypocritical to keep pointing the finger at Abbott, when you haven't done it yourself.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Facts are
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:32AM
                                                                        • It seems that history does repeat itself. Look at Abbott running a small target campaign as well. Just as Rudd is going down the Howard road on areas the Coalition is seen to be strong in such as border protection, Abbott has gone "me too!" on education and on aged care, and is trying to minimize the target for attack by waiting until late in the last week to explain how his promises will be funded (not just the costings, but even to explain how the funding is meant to happen).

                                                                          Unfortunately neither side of politics at the moment is very brave.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Arky
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:38AM
                                                                        • Hacka,

                                                                          Remember Gonski/Better Schools??

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Sam
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:39AM
                                                                        • Yes seems they are copying the Noalition by copying? TA on 7.30 said he would keep the tobacco increases etc but not the FBT changes (these are too easy to use in care campaign about nothing). Then of course he did a complete backflip and decided to take up 'Conski'. As far as an ETS that was always the plan by the ALP, in fact it was the Limited News Partys stance also until they knifed Turnbull. One thing they wont be copying is the es to the GST and TA's avoidance answer "it can't be changed" is wearing a little thin.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          First Rate
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:51AM
                                                                        • Facts are - yes the double standards have become almost humorous. People are smart enough to make up their own minds.

                                                                          Arky - well yes it does work both ways. Abbott's working on the small target theory as well.

                                                                          Perhaps we'll see Kev walking around clutching a blue pamphlet soon. Or maybe we'll see him on a bike, running a city-to-surf or even firefighting.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 9:57AM
                                                                        • Hmm I wonder if this is a little bit of chest beating and posturing from Abbott and Morrison.

                                                                          Though im sure this will be a subject of a High court challenge Hacka?

                                                                          Whats next apathied? Abbott is appearing to channell one JWH?

                                                                          "Remember that a life lived in fear is a life halved lived".

                                                                          There are a number of mechanics of this policy that needs to be better explained !

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Buffalo Bill
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydneys Northshore
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:15AM
                                                                        • Hi Buff - you're not channeling positive Kev's fear mongering are you ?

                                                                          The Greens response promises to be a classic - how much vitriol can we expect ?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                                        • Hi Hacka

                                                                          Reading your posts regarding this issue at least, you dont strike me as someone who sports a mullet yet your views on this policy now has me wondering !

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Buffalo Bill
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydneys Northshore
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                                        • For all your comments Buffy Bill it looks like your ALP is on track for losing 22 seats. How fun!

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kelly K
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:19AM
                                                                        • KellyK

                                                                          Looks can be deceiving, Never count the chickens before hatching.

                                                                          Remember Mike Tyson was at unbackable odds against James "Buster" Douglas and look what happened to poor old Mike ?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Buffalo Bill
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydneys Northshore
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                                        • Buff - you don't need a mullet to think that we need border control. We have the third most generous refugee intake in the world, and it should be done in an orderly fashion.

                                                                          If someone is sitting in Indonesia having fled Tehran, then you'd think they'd avoided persecution in the first place.

                                                                          Yes the argument is much broader than that but don't tell me that people must make it to Australia to protect their families.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:03PM
                                                                        • Buffy Bill I'm using NSW/QLD's latest State election as a gauge. You can use Mike Tyson if that is your coping mechanism.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Kelly K
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:04PM
                                                                        • Hacka

                                                                          Our Border control “problem” by worlds comparison is extremely small we are not being invaded by Warships we are being sort after by leaky boats (unarmed) the PNG solution now states that people will be resettled to PNG and I would suspect that for the non “reffos” that natural justice applies but under the LNP it does not.

                                                                          Yes true though (correct me if I’m wrong) Indonesia is not signatory to the UN convention so those in Indon would seek a place that is and be afforded those human rights? Perfectly understandable

                                                                          I suppose in a perfect world we would have everyone do as we want though as you know our world is far from perfect

                                                                          Kellyk

                                                                          The Analogy is the same, nothing should be taken as given as Mike Tyson found out !

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Buffalo Bill
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydneys Northshore
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          August 16, 2013, 12:49PM
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