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Federal Politics

Election wrap: August 11, 2013

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The campaign planes are heading off and so will I.

Thank you for your company. Andrew Meares, Alex Ellinghausen and I will be back in the morning for the first day of the second week of the campaign.

Until then.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny has filed this take on the debate - he describes it largely "drab".

Harsh.

The Age's political editor, Michael Gordon, writes in his analysis that both leaders appeared underprepared but that it was not the decisive Mr Rudd needed to reenergise his campaign as he heads into the second week with opinion polls showing he is lagging behind Mr Abbott.

In the first week of the campaign Labor spent a lot of time trying to suggest the Coalition has a secret plan to extend the GST to food (the Coalition has consistently denied this).

In tonight's debate Mr Abbott again denied it was on the agenda. The video is available below.

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Mr Abbott's view of how he went:

 

Another person who thought he should have been included:

 

Both teams are now pulling up stumps bound for goodness knows where.

One week down, four to go.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs after the debate at the National Press Club in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs after the debate at the National Press Club in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

That might not have been the most robust encounter between Mr Rudd and Abbott but that does not mean they will stop arguing about the format of any further debates during the campaign.

Mr Rudd wants a debate each Sunday night of the campaign. Mr Abbott wants another two meetings but with a more of a town hall, community meeting feel.

At the moment there is no agreement to do anything else.

 

 

Labor had a sub campaign regarding same sex marriage ready to go as soon as Mr Rudd made his commitment to the timing of his bill.

It uses one of the most famous Australian political slogan - it's time (the twitter handle is @ItsTimeAus). The bio says: "Never before in Australian history has a Prime Minister stood for marriage equality for all Australians. get behind this campaign to make it happen!"

Same sex marriage is one of the issues on which there is a clear difference between the major parties. I also think it's one of the those issues on which politicians are behind community sentiment. 

But is it a vote changer? Labor obviously thinks so because it used the debate to raise the issue.

If you need to look back on the key moments of the debate you can do so here.

Getting back to the notes issue (which illustrates that the debate did not give us a huge amount of new material to discuss) - what is anyone going to do? Disqualify Mr Rudd after the fact?

Mr Rudd won the "getting back on to twitter fastest" prize:

 

There were 75,000 tweets about the debate as it happened - I love participatory democracy.

The peak moment came at 7.25pm when the discussion about same sex marriage happened. There were 1,952 tweets per minute.

People who watch these things tell me there were 27,000 tweets about Mr Abbott and 20,000 tweets about Mr Rudd.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is embraced by his wife Therese Rein and daughter Jessica after the leaders debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is embraced by his wife Therese Rein and daughter Jessica after the leaders debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Was Mr Rudd reading from notes?

Yes, say people inside the venue.

This is against the rules but maybe the rule is silly.

Notes prevent the speaker from looking at the voter (through the camera) and connecting with the voter is about debates such as these are all about.

This goes to either Mr Rudd's preparedness or his nerves.

Mr Abbott did not use notes. He also looked at Mr Rudd more and tried to engage him whereas Mr Rudd either looked down or at the camera.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs after the debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd departs after the debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Well it wasn't exactly a rip snorter was it? (And I'm a fan of debates.) Was there anything in there that would change your mind about your vote?

My two cents' worth - both leaders were solid but nothing more.

Mr Rudd had something a smidge new to say (the timing of a same sex marriage bill) but since he already declared himself in favour earlier this year then that would not come as much of a surprise.

But I thought his deferral on the issue of Sydney airport was silly. Yes, it's not the only airport in Sydney but it is a hugely important issue that has been dragging on for too long.

Mr Abbott did not announce anything but he was consistent and built on the arguments he had made during the past week.

So who do you think won?

Have your say in our readers' poll which you can find here.

Closing statements.

Mr Rudd ticks off his list of catch phrases - "a new way of politics" and "not putting all our eggs in one basket" when it comes to the economy.

"We believe that the right way forward is to build the new industries of the future," Mr Rudd says, as well as concentrating on education, health, aged care and disability care.

Mr Abbott has had enough of being accused of wanting to increase the GST and having a $70 billion spending black hole.

They are a "fantasy," he says.

And he returns to his top four - a better economy, no more carbon price, no more boats and better infrastructure.

"I believe in our people, I believe in you," Mr Abbott says.

He quotes Robert Menzies: "Australians are lifters, not leaners."

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Both leaders are asked if they would legislate for same sex marriage in the next term of Parliament.

Mr Rudd says he would have a bill within the first 100 days of Parliament on gay marriage.

"Folk out there want this to happen," Mr Rudd says.

Mr Abbott repeats his position that revising the Coalition's position would be a matter for the party room.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during the leaders debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during the leaders debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Abbott accuses Mr Rudd of using the "same waffle" that he used against former prime minister John Howard in the 2007 election.

 

 

The next question is about reducing climate change emissions.

Mr Abbott is asked whether the Coalition would reduce emissions beyond the five per cent it has already committed to.

"We will deliver the 5 per cent reduction," Mr Abbott says.

"Climate change is central to Australia's future," Mr Rudd says.

"We will be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids if we do not act......We never doubted the science, unlike some. What really frightens the hell out of me - to be frank - in my home state of Queensland is the effect on the Great Barrier Reef."

If the rest of the world decided to work together to further reduce emissions, would he follow suit, Mr Rudd is asked.

"We have no alternative than to act collaboratively with the rest of the world," he says.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Both leaders outline their plans for aged care.

Mr Rudd points to the significant changes Labor made in the area - based on recommendations by the Productivity Commission - earlier this year but says more must be done to attract workers into the area.

Mr Abbott says there is very little difference between the parties in this area.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Also uninspired is former Howard government minister Peter Reith:

 

The next question is about the neverending saga of a second Sydney airport.

Mr Abbott commits to making a decision about a site "within the first term".

Mr Rudd says there is a "massive debate" about Sydney airport but he's from Brisbane so he'd prefer to defer to Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese.

"Sydney airport is not the only airport in the country," Mr Rudd says.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd's former press secretary isn't impressed with anything thus far:

 

Greens leader Christine Milne:

 

But governments aren't raising enough revenue to cover future spending, the leaders are asked, so what programs would you cut to save money?

Mr Rudd: "We will always keep on open mind" on future spending decisions.

Mr Abbott mentions the school kids bonus as one example of a policy that would go under a Coalition government.

 

We are at the halfway mark and have already ticked off on three major issues for the campaign - the economy, tax and asylum seekers.

No new information - or even sales pitches - have emerged.

Why should people trust you, is the first question from the panel, given Labor has raised taxes and levies.

Mr Rudd: "Our record on tax as a proportion of the economy is a strong one."

Mr Abbott quotes former prime minister Julia Gillard speaking in favour of lowering company tax as ballast for his own promise to do just that.

"We wouldn't implement any policies that we felt were contrary to a mandate," Mr Abbott says.

Mr Rudd says the problem with turning back boats remains that Indonesia is against the policy.

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott during the leaders' debate on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The next question is about asylum seekers - was it wrong for Labor to dismantle the Howard government's laws from 2007 onwards?

Mr Rudd says policies were changed following the 2007 but there were then changes in the international community including the war in Sri Lanka.

He says with the benefit of hindsight policies would have been adjusted more quickly to deal with those circumstances.

Mr Abbott says a Coalition government would "scramble to salvage" the new arrangement with Papua New Guinea.

"The PNG solution is not what the Prime Minister says it is," Mr Abbott says. "I'm not saying offshore processing isn't important but on it's own it's not enough."

Mr Abbott says there is "no mystery" surround the turn back the boats policy - a Coalition government would do so "where it is safe to do so" and where operational command gives the go ahead.

Mr Abbott points out the GST cannot be changed at the whim of the federal government - the states and territories must also agree.

Mr Rudd wants to know if the GST is not going to be raised then why would it be included in a review of taxation.

"The GST is not going to change," Mr Abbott says. "It is an embarrassing scare campaign."

Where is the money for your policy promises, Mr Abbott?

Mr Abbott replies: "What kept us out of recession was that Mr Rudd inherited a strong economy thanks to Mr Hawke, Mr Keating and Mr Howard."

He promises - again - that the Coalition will release its costings before polling day.

Mr Abbott says he has already identified $17 billion in cuts.

"I deal in facts," Mr Rudd counters and says the Coalition faces a $70 billion "funding gap".

Mr Rudd says it's "legitimate" to ask if the GST will be raised to provide the revenue for Coalition policies.

Mr Abbott says - again - that it is wrong to suggest the Coalition has any such plan.

 

Mr Rudd is asked if he can understand why people might feel nervous about giving Labor another three years in government given spending is now higher than it was under the Howard government.

Mr Rudd says it is important to invest in Australia so "it did not fall into recession" and prevents "hundreds of thousands of people" from losing their jobs.

Harsh budget cuts are not the way, Mr Rudd says.

"If you want a new way, you've got to choose a new government," Mr Abbott says.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the commencement of the debate.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition leader Tony Abbott at the commencement of the debate. Photo: Andrew Meares

Coalition leader Tony Abbott: "This debate is between Mr Rudd and me. But the election is not about Mr Rudd and it's not about me. It's about you, the people of Australia. Who can make your life more secure? Who can make your life better?"

Mr Abbott promises a Coalition government would make the economy stronger, scrap the price on carbon, improve infrastructure and stop the boats.,

"We need a new way forward," Mr Rudd says.

"A new way of politics as well. I can see a great, new way for Australia."

Kevin Rudd begins by saying Australia "is by instinct a positive people".

"That's who we are as Australians...The Australia we know and love has been built by you," Mr Rudd.

"This economy is strong. This election is about the future strength of our economy and how to secure it."

Mr Rudd is stressing Labor's achievements since 2007 including introducing paid parental leave, raising the childcare rebate, keeping Australian away from the worst of the global economic crisis.

But the economy is changing, Mr Rudd warns.

Mr Rudd is wearing a red tie. Mr Abbott is wearing a blue tie.

Only a couple of minutes to go.

Please let me know what you think about the debate as it progressed via our reader comments.

Fairfax Media published this weekend a poll showing the Coalition has pulled ahead of Labor during the first week of the campaign - 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

Mr Abbott has also overtaken Mr Rudd on the question of personal trustworthiness.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny wrote about the results here.

Greens leader Christine Milne's request to be included in the debate has knocked back. She will participate via twitter:

 

So what is the format of tonight?

Both leaders will give an opening address of three minutes each. Then the moderator - David Speers - will spend  ten minutes or so asking questions of both Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott. This will be followed by the panel asking questions of the leaders.

There is a theory going around the press gallery that because Mr Rudd is behind in the polls (more on that in a moment) he will need to somehow steal the show - either by making an announcement that forces attention on to him or that he will hijack the format by trying to eschew the panel and directly debate Mr Abbott.

Other than the content of the debate both men will have to be careful of their tone - not too aggressive or negative while appearing on top of their subject matter and their opponent.

Show me the money!

That will be a popular refrain tonight as both Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott try to establish their credentials as the better economic manager and to demonstrate that the other's policies will create budget mayhem.

The economy has been the theme of the campaign thus far and shows no signs of going away (particularly with the release of the official pre election economic update on Tuesday).

Mr Abbott said earlier today he would detail the Coalition's costings "well before polling day".

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on Bondi Beach, Sydney, on Sunday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on Bondi Beach, Sydney, on Sunday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd was forced to defend his decision to get rid of two candidates saying he wanted to force a positive politics that is "respectful of people, including their gender".

Victorian candidate Geoff Lake will go amid revelations he verbally abused a woman at a council meeting in 2002. Queensland candidate Ken Robertson will also go after he accused Mr Abbott of being racist.

Reporters Dan Harrison and Chris Johnson have more.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during an interview in Queanbeyan, NSW on Sunday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd during an interview in Queanbeyan, NSW on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Once upon a time the leaders would have been bunkered down in Canberra for much of the weekend preparing.

But not these days.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd squeezed in a visit to the town of Queanbeyan just over the NSW border (in the bellwether seat of Eden Monaro, held by Labor frontbencher Mike Kelly). Coalition leader Tony Abbott ran in Sydney's famous City2Surf before doing a spot of campaigning on Bondi Beach.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott stretches ahead of City2Surf in Sydney on Sunday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott stretches ahead of City2Surf in Sydney on Sunday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The debate will begin at 6.30pm and is being held at the National Press Club in Canberra. It will be moderated by Sky News' political editor David Speers. The panel of journalists is The Sydney Morning Herald's political editor, Peter Hartcher, The Daily Telegraph's Simon Benson and ABC television's Lyndal Curtis. (Both camps have to approve the members of the panel.)

A coin toss was held at 2pm to decide which leader will speak first. Neither leader was present but they were represented by their parties' campaign directors - Labor's George Wright and the Coalition's Brian Loughnane. Mr Wright won so Kevin Rudd will speak first.

 

Maurice ReillyCEO of the National Press Club, tosses the coin for Labor campaign director George Wright and Coalition campaign director Brian Loughnane.

Maurice ReillyCEO of the National Press Club, tosses the coin for Labor campaign director George Wright and Coalition campaign director Brian Loughnane. Photo: Andrew Meares

Good evening and welcome to a mini blog of the first (and possibly only) debate between the Labor and Coalition leaders.

The stage is set.

Final preparations are applied to the set for the leaders' debate at the National Press Club in Canberra on Sunday.

Final preparations are applied to the set for the leaders' debate at the National Press Club in Canberra on Sunday. Photo: Andrew Meares

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  • What is all this talk of the mining boom finishing??.....Did China stop having babies???

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    LH2013
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    August 11, 2013, 9:10PM
  • Who will save us from all this Yankee-style crap?

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    barfiller
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    August 11, 2013, 9:10PM
    • Rodrigo...the difference with 3 word slogans....at least we know what's involved with Rudd's ...with Abbott....we still have no idea......how is he going to build a strong economy????? Is the company tax cut the only measure? What else is there? tell us because Tony cant.

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      JT
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      August 11, 2013, 9:06PM
    • Rodrigo...the difference with 3 word slogans....at least we know what's involved with Rudd's ...with Abbott....we still have no idea......how is he going to build a strong economy????? Is the company tax cut the only measure? What else is there? tell us because Tony cant.

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      JT
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      August 11, 2013, 9:06PM
  • Complete boring!! nothing new. Why should I vote either for Labor or Liberal when there is no clear policy on reducing unemployment or job creation. Labor in Labour and final outcome Siamese twins - unemployment increase with Carbon tax.

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    romo
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    August 11, 2013, 9:05PM
    • social spending increases with AGW - look at the clean ups in recent years with the bush fires and floods. infrastructure can't cope with greater extremes of temperature and it'll just get worse.

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      have you seen it yet, the light?
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      August 11, 2013, 9:22PM
  • Rudd replying to the % of expenditure to GDP had both his hands in a manner that would indicate he had them wrapped around something

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    Lyle Marshall
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    August 11, 2013, 9:04PM
    • Might be his little pen?..I see he got ink on his hand.....

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      LH2013
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      August 11, 2013, 9:12PM
  • Our precious economy that Rudd steered through the GFC is too delicate at the moment to surrender to a man who won't even reveal his figures.Rudd is the smart Australian's pick!

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    ede
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    August 11, 2013, 9:02PM
    • How can we TRUST Rudd when he cheats and breaks the rules.

      Why did Rudd want all these debates if he was not going to abide by the rules ??

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      andy
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      August 11, 2013, 9:14PM
  • Kevin has my vote for gay marriage

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    Meh1
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    August 11, 2013, 9:01PM
    • Rudd and Labor have had 6 years and they did nothing about gay marriage. They will do nothing over the next 3 years, either!

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      Oh, really?
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      August 11, 2013, 9:06PM
    • oh really? wasn't Julia Gillard the PM for the last 3 years and against gay marraiage....or was that just anothe Labor lie......she wasn't really.

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      JT
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      August 11, 2013, 9:13PM
  • I tend to agree with Clive, boring, boring.
    Neither got anywhere near the real issues confronting Australians.
    Crikey what do they take us for- idiots x dolts.
    I have many issues I'd like to see addressed and these two idiots didn't even scrape the surface.

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    A country gal
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    August 11, 2013, 9:01PM
  • Geez... the Tea Party nut jobs and those over sixty are out in force tonight!

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    Willis K
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    August 11, 2013, 9:01PM
    • Watchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

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      Bender
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      August 11, 2013, 9:10PM
    • Slogans like "A New Way" and "The PNG Solution"? Oh well, only the Coalition does slogans. With Labor they're not three word slogans - they're three word catchphrases.

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      Rodrigo
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    • Slogans like "A New Way" and "The PNG Solution"? Oh well, only the Coalition does slogans. With Labor they're not three word slogans - they're three word catchphrases.

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      Rodrigo
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  • Six looong years of convoluted mayem, Well if you vote for Rudd at least you know what you're gonna get.

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    Feet Slipper
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    August 11, 2013, 8:57PM
    • Yeah - better than the unknown really. Especially when the unknown is unable to tell us HOW he will fund any of his tax cuts.

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      QED
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      August 11, 2013, 9:04PM
  • been reading seems everyone only has seen what they want. personally both seemed weak and hollow. costing really need to be put out. its not what labor want its what Australians want. both sides have to explain why there difference will better us, not why there so the same. yet will make a great deal of difference.
    Also the media have to be reports. reporting on facts not on there bloody opinions or there bosses

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    MelBri
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    August 11, 2013, 8:56PM
  • The only question that required a direct answer was about Aged Care. Rudd's answer was poor but Abbott's made the candidate for Greenway look like a policy expert.

    Rudd is full of hot air but Abbott is a national embarrassment. Lets call the whole thing off!

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    Mark
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    August 11, 2013, 8:56PM
  • Channel9,must be using cricket umpires. There's no way that Waffle Rudd,won the debate - despite cribbing.

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    Feet Slipper
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    August 11, 2013, 8:54PM
  • Abbotts attempt at Neuro-linguistic programming was very interesting to watch.
    He had been trained up on body language and hand gestures.
    The finger pointing at the screen at the same time as talking about 'You' came off quite fake and looked very awkward and you could tell that he also felt awkward in doing it.
    It was not his natural body language and hand gestures and you could tell that he had spent just as much time rehearsing his body language than he did with what he had to say (Although he didnt say anything new, just the same old same old)

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    Matt
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    August 11, 2013, 8:53PM
    • he always looks weird doing his "you the australian people" thing, so fake

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      have you seen it yet, the light?
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  • Channel 9’s worm take was 59:41 in favour of Rudd. Yet, Channel 7’s take, on a much larger audience /viewer sample was 68:32 in favour of Abbott. Combined, however, we get – 109 (Abbott) 91 (Rudd).

    Abbott’s weakness was in not explaining his intended cost cuts going forward. But strategically, should he, before his official campaign launch? In 2007, Rudd didn’t!

    But let’s look at fiscal responsibility.

    In 2006/7 (Howard), the Government spent $251B. Since then, RGR has spent $2T ($335B annually), or $2.4T (including 2013/14). That’s $343B annually.

    Today, Labor’s annual spending average is $92B higher than Howard’s 2006/7 outcome. That’s big spending by Labor, for all the wrong reasons.

    That’s why spending must be cut. That’s why Labor’s spending failures are Australia’s shame.

    On Revenue, RGR has averaged $318B annually as against Costello’s 2006/7 $272B outcome.

    So, let’s understand this, RGR revenue is averaging $46B higher then under Costello but spending is averaging $93B higher.

    Annually, RGR revenue has been increasing at 2.5% compound, but spending is increasing at 6.8% compound.

    Fixing taxes, making them more efficient, reducing the red tape, etc is one thing, but cutting the spending gluttony is a must have. This RGR government, however, is on peptides when it comes to spending. That’s why RGR will never deliver a budget surplus now, or anytime in the future.

    So, whilst Nine’s worm favoured Rudd, Labor cannot control the budget. It never has.

    And that’s the fear: Abbott has to cut Government spending, but RGR has to either let the economy slide, or raise taxes including introducing Death Duties (long, part of official ALP policy, and also favoured by the RGR Henry Tax Review). So, who’s real on the economy? Certainly, not RGR even if Abbott has not yet explained his intended spending cuts.

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    Grant
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    August 11, 2013, 8:50PM
  • I am surprised management Defense Capability on a Long Term basis has not been brought. With ALP wasting billions of dollars on boatpeople and other issues Australia capacity in Defense have been run down.

    India just launched its first homemade nuclear submarine and has plans for five more. It is almost too late for Australia in submarines.

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    Dr B S Goh
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    August 11, 2013, 8:50PM
  • A couple of weeks ago KRudd told Australia he intended putting the question of gay marriage to a referendum. Tonight he made it plain he's a liar and that gay marriage is really part of Labor Party policy. The Labor Party 'had' my vote, they don't anymore.

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    zac48
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    August 11, 2013, 8:50PM
  • Seriously, what is wrong with Australians!! True Rudd looked at notes. But Abbott was as vague as a lost child. Evading every issue in style. He just cannot answer to the point and avoiding issues and not making any commitement so that he can back track if he is elected PM..God forbid.

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    J
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    August 11, 2013, 8:46PM
    • Pbftftftftttt!

      Please state one idea or concept that Abbott articulated....

      He said nothing that wasn't in his slogan of bogans book.

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      QED
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      August 11, 2013, 8:55PM
    • J your issues you have with Abbott are the same as many people have with Rudd. Both very good at evading a direct answer.

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      Dave
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      August 11, 2013, 8:57PM
  • Confident, articulate, smart, Abbott came across as the sort of leader Australia needs. Rudd waffled and looked very uncomfortable. And he cheated by bringing in notes - what a fake. Oh, well, I expect he's got a few school visits lined up this week where he'll be cheered on by six-year-olds.

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    Flew
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    August 11, 2013, 8:45PM
    • So Flew, Rudd "cheated by bringing in notes", eh?...Wonder what this is all about then? http://www.sfu.ca/cmns/130d1/HOWTODEBATE.htm

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      Peter Allan
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      August 11, 2013, 9:05PM
  • Well done Tony Abbott. Calm, considered, statesmanlike. Clear winner. Thankfully this 6 year Labor disaster will soon be over and you can get about cleaning up the mess. Better times ahead.

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    BU
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    August 11, 2013, 8:44PM
  • I was undecided before now for sure Kevin rudd I respect him

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    LAKI
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    August 11, 2013, 8:44PM
  • Abbott may actually state just one costed policy before the election, but im not holding my breath. The debate was pretty boring to me, not much life at all, hope it picks up next time.

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    Piesnchess
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    August 11, 2013, 8:42PM
    • @JT...I think the pathetic slogans goes to Dudd. If anyone thinks he is a great PM then please have a good look at themselves.

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      Adrian
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      August 11, 2013, 8:41PM
  • I was hoping that Kevin Rudd would promise a royal commission into the the weapons of mass destruction lies that took the coalition of the willing to war in Iraq and created thousands of refugees, the children overboard lies, the wheat board's $400mil bribe to Saddam, the SievX disaster.

    Oh well...

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    beatnik68
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    August 11, 2013, 8:40PM
    • The Labor Party and its supporters can't spell. We're not Americans.

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      Rodrigo
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      August 11, 2013, 8:39PM
  • We need to vote for Liberals,they can save US great country Australia.
    We can not trust to Kevin 07.....

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    Zorroo
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    August 11, 2013, 8:38PM
  • Abbott heckling like Gargamel about to crush to death the smurfs..undignified esp for a PM contender. A flash of the heart of the monk perchance?

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    Sara
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    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:38PM
    • I like how he laughed when Rudd tried to explain why he said the same thing six years ago about the transition into the new economy. That was a killer blow that showed Rudd was all talk.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:44PM
  • Anyone who thinks Abbott won this debate is delusional. His sheer evasiveness and lack of any sort of substance is downright alarming. Listening to Abbott speak is a truly mind numbing experience. If this is who we are going to elect to lead this country then we are well and truly screwed.

    Commenter
    jebiga
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:37PM
    • It's actually the opposition's to lose because of the government's poor record and standing with the electorate. Abbott wins when Rudd can't land a blow - which he didn't.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:47PM
  • I thought Rudd gave details and related some kind of vision for the future. Abbott merely blamed Rudd for everything and tossed up vague generalities expecting us just to take his word for everything. He basically preaches to his converted

    Commenter
    Conrad
    Location
    Darwin
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:37PM
    • This.

      Commenter
      Ant81
      Location
      canterbury
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:37PM
    • Mr Rudd used notes, Mr Abbott debated. Kudos to Mr Abbott for following the rules, I know who to trust now and it ain't Mr Rudd.

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:43PM
    • That can't happen without the states agreeing and that won't happen. Rudd is being as dishonest as you are being stupid to s. Labor will do and say whatever it takes to get in - including blatant lies.

      Commenter
      the_Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:36PM
    • if you have nothing to say, only slogans, you don't need notes.....LOL

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:35PM
    • if you have nothing to say, only slogans, you don't need notes.....LOL

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:35PM
  • Ch7 the worm was attacking Rudd , every
    time he spoke it was negative 60% plus.
    Ch7 viewers gave it to Abbott 68% with
    18,000 voters. Maybe Rudd is lucky
    there are not more debates as he wanted.
    Abbott really surprised me how well he did, equally shocked by Kevin Rudds
    poor showing.

    Commenter
    RANK FRANK
    Location
    B r i s b a n e
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:34PM
    • And apparently the Channel 9 worm was the exact opposite, plus Rudd by 72 to 28 on the ABC and Channel 10 yet another result.
      Nothing to see here -as they say in the classics.

      Commenter
      jme
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:42PM
    • Hope Kevin wins. He has my vote for stopping the boats and supporting gay marriage.

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:42PM
    • Rudd stopping the boats? Two thousand people have come since he signed the agreement with the PNG PM.

      Don't forget he opened our borders and is responsible for 50,000 boat people and 1,100 drownings. He deserve to be kicked out just for that.

      You seem to be keen to give him credit for "not" solving a problem he created.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:51PM
    • Rodrigo. You don't count as you are a rustered on Lnp supporter for ever.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Golf Coast
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:13PM
  • Abbott seems to like dropping the word "productivity commission" ..maybe because it is under the cover of the commission that he will implement his plans for work choices mark 2...

    Commenter
    Ciaran
    Location
    Newie
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:33PM
    • Its called...Work for dole = work choices part 2....Work or be worked

      Commenter
      LH2013
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:37PM
    • Why do you Labor supporters like scaremongering? Abbott clearly stated in the past that he would not bring back Workchoices. Let it go, man.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:41PM
    • No..actually Mr Abbott said he would get the productivity commission to look into changes to workplace law..only foofoo the fairy queen or a one eyed silver tail would fail to detect what that means for Aussie workers....fool me once..

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:48PM
    • Looking into or reviewing something is code for resurrecting Workchoices, right?

      Commenter
      Basil Fawlty
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:54PM
    • Rodrigo, nothing will change with those who are uneducated. They can not think for themselves, only follow the sheep of ignorance ...... scare tactics will continue

      Commenter
      Gary
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:02PM
    • When like me you lose everything due to workchoices mark 1 (put on an individual contract and screwed of all my entitlements)...it is no fear campaign mate...abbott had his paws all over mark 1.Just look who the bulk of the funding to the libs come from...and what their position on workplace reform is...where there is smoke..

      Commenter
      Phil
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:11PM
  • 61 percent was just the worm. it wasn't the part where they had to decide one way or the other. you know when he said slide the bar to one end to who you would actually vote for.

    Commenter
    MelBri
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:32PM
  • I want to know how Abbottt can claim that labor killed the mining boom when it's a simple supply and demand situation and other countries determine both demand and commodity prices?

    Commenter
    jme
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:31PM
  • It's about time that PRESS did there job on the issue of climate change. The exhibition by the PRESS was pathetic. How many understand the true capacity of our green energy? Do the PRESS understand that it is 67% less than Rudd and Abbott claim due to capacity factors?

    Do the PRESS understand by how much our emissions are increasing? I'm disgusted with the PRESS.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:31PM
  • Abbott is taking a leaf out of the Queensland Premiers book. By not telling the voters how he is going to pay for anything. Now we are paying for it up here. Don't be fooled by Tony Abbott. He flat out lied tonight, he said that their NBN will be faster than Labors, which we know it isn't and that he was going to play around with Industrial Relations again, Work Choices Mark 2

    Commenter
    Fed Up Mum
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:30PM
    • No, he said that we will get his version of the NBN faster than Labor's version. You have misheard or misrepresented.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:35PM
    • Yes Rodrigo - a token NBN much sooner. Then more cost long term cos each home needs to replace the copper wire one at a time. And yes Mum, we will get Work Choices v2.0 and the rest of the QLD Newman austerity measures that have destroyed the economy there. But Rupert, Gina etc will be better off......

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:48PM
    • It's only the last fibreoptic cable from the node to your house - pay for it if you want it so much.

      And no, we will not get WorkChoices because he ruled it out many times.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:57PM
    • you crack me up rodrigo.
      Pay the $5000 or so if you want it so much. I know many small businesses that want it badly, but alas, don't have the spare $5000.
      Let them eat cake I guess. Australia nil, rupert one

      Commenter
      nkelly
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:14PM
  • Abbott the flim flam flop!

    Commenter
    EAF
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:28PM
    • If you need notes to sell the story....then the story is not solid....
      Abbott didn't need notes because the key players havent changed and neither has the story....last six years waisted...bring on the election

      Commenter
      LH2013
      Location
      Townsvile
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:27PM
    • If you need notes to sell the story....then the story is not solid....
      Abbott didn't need notes because the key players havent changed and neither has the story....last six years waisted...bring on the election

      Commenter
      LH2013
      Location
      Townsvile
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:27PM
    • JT - are you serious?? How about some facts. Abbott is a Rhodes scholar, having studied at Oxford University a Master in Arts Politics and Philosophy, has a Bachelor of Economics and a Bachelor of Laws. He is no idiot. In contrast K Rudd only managed a Bachelor of Arts (Asian Studies). Give us a break from your biased non sensical drivel.

      Commenter
      BU
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
  • I watched Election Debate from Channel Ten. Can't believe 61% audiences trust Kevin Rudd?

    Why people are so naive? Why so many people are addicted by Mr Rudd's fancy silver tongue?

    Please check his and Labor Party's performance? How much damage have they done to Australia economics?

    Choosing a leader of the nation is a really serious matter rather than watching a TV show. GOD BLESS AUSTRALIA!!!

    Commenter
    John
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
    • Nah I vote for Kevin for many things.. Stopping the votes and gay marriage. It's the 21st century.. why are people so naive?

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:32PM
    • I watched SkyNews, did flick over to channel 055, could not believe the result my self, Abbott clearly nailed it.

      Commenter
      Martin Says
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:34PM
    • Simple, Rudd based his arguments on facts and figures while Abbott produced none. Whether he likes it or not we need figures and don't like to be treated as stupid voters.

      Commenter
      sensible
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:43PM
  • Can some one tell me, who won the 100 undecided vote. seems like a turn for a sec and suddenly the cricket was on. and things where cut somewhat unnatural for debate considering the game had not even started

    Commenter
    MelBri
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
  • Thank the stars above, the cricket has started ... nothing in this debate gives me confidence in either of them!

    Commenter
    Disillusioned
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:23PM
  • Dear oh dear - how the mighty have fallen!. We all assumed Rudd the 'expert' debater who flanneled the population into voting for him in 2007 would walk all over Abbott but what we saw was a very nervous PM who had to rely on notes (naughty boy) and stuttered in his responses looking very uncomfortable. Maybe he should have joined Tony on the run this morning. Well done Tony, keep up the pressure!!

    Commenter
    Magwitch
    Location
    Rudds electorate
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
    • Well if Tony had tried to say anything of substance, detail and of value he may have stumbled a bit too.

      Commenter
      Ant81
      Location
      canterbury
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
    • So you either didn't watch the debate or the worms or you have no idea when someone got their behind handed to them. Sure Abbott did answer EVERY question with some sort of confirmation that he would be better but if he doesn't actually tell us HOW it is a loss for him. (except with the mentally underdeveloped)

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:36PM
  • We live in possibly the most over governed and under managed country in the world. Could we please have a real "leader" take us forward with some foresight and fortitude.

    Commenter
    Surfer
    Location
    Avoca Beach
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
  • The debate was about as exciting as a custard enema. Abbott comes across as a used car dealer. He refuses to give figures on anything. I don't trust him. He is an old fashioned slash and burn merchant

    Commenter
    John Winston Molehill
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
    • Never had a custard enema before and never will, so I will take your word for it.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
    • John Winston Molehill, I wonder if Rudd's American advisors told him to take notes into the debate, because the folks in the Western Suburbs of Sydney don't understand these things. I suppose we all ought to be thankful we did not have to listen to Sen. Milne going on about Marriage Equality. Someone should tell her it is a non-issue, and she will still be able to march in the Gay Mardi Gras.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:53PM
  • These debates are a farce. What I have to say has nothing to do with suitability for the top job, but I have to admire anyone who does the city to surf and then gets on a plane to Canberra to go to such an important (well according to the press) political event. Didn't seem to consult notes or take notes.
    I would have opted for the church option with Kevin if I was a believer and sedentary.

    Commenter
    andyb4
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:19PM
    • If you need notes to sell the story....then the story is not solid....
      Abbott didn't need notes because the key players havent changed and neither has the story....last six years waisted...bring on the election

      Commenter
      LH2013
      Location
      Townsvile
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:27PM
    • if you have nothing to say, only slogans, you don't need notes.....LOL

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:35PM
    • Slogans like "A New Way" and "The PNG Solution"? Oh well, only the Coalition does slogans. With Labor they're not three word slogans - they're three word catchphrases.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:00PM
    • Rodrigo...the difference with 3 word slogans....at least we know what's involved with Rudd's ...with Abbott....we still have no idea......how is he going to build a strong economy????? Is the company tax cut the only measure? What else is there? tell us because Tony cant.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:06PM
  • I won't be voting for either of them. I'll be an informal. Would you vote when you know the Sophie-stop the boats-Mirrabella nee Pandopolopolus will almost certainly win.

    Commenter
    Larry
    Location
    Northern Victoria
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:18PM
    • You make it seem as if stopping the boats (and the drownings of women and children) is evil.

      Commenter
      Tom Richardson
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:27PM
    • Not at all. What I'm saying and will continue to say it, is the Ms Mirrabella- or her parents-were once refugees, and she has obviously forgotten that. But, she is also a dud politician who simply echos the leader. In other words, Sophie is a dill.

      Commenter
      Larry
      Location
      Northern Victoria
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:50PM
  • "There were 75,000 tweets about the debate as it happened - I love participatory democracy" - Are you serious or having us on? It's because our democracy is such a sham that people have to vent their opinions on twitter because our system does not care what people think. One vote every three years and then no say in anything for another three years. Stop treating us like idiots - twitter is not democracy.

    Commenter
    w ch
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:16PM
  • Just watched on 9 the worm had Rudd winning by a mile. which I fully agree with. so what is Oakes or whatever his name is talking about sounds like their is more than Murdoch with their knife out for Rudd. What credibility has Abbott when he will not give any costings Last election he released his costings that close to election so they could not be scrutinized before the election. After the election he had a huge black hole in his figures. We all know Hocking can't add up.

    Commenter
    Voter
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:14PM
    • I do agree that Rudd "spelled" out lists and lists of flowery words and terms with Sunshine and warm wind... but to me they all smell fake!!! So fake!!! Sorry...

      Commenter
      Martin
      Location
      South Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:18PM
    • Yes Voter, it would seem Laurie Oakes allowed his personal feelings about Rudd override an objective opinion on the debate...Maybe it's time he 'hung up his boots'...For what it's worth, I reckon the "Worm" got close to the mark...My assessment before the result was announced was 60/40...That Abbott didn't know the conditions under which the GST could be changed was astonishing.

      Commenter
      Peter Allan
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:43PM
  • ???? Channel 9 and 10 have Rudd winning. Are they watching the same debate as Channel 7?

    I thought Abbott won hands down even though Rudd cheated by using notes.

    Commenter
    Vivian
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:11PM
  • Good performance Tony. You certainly upstaged Krudd.

    Commenter
    Thommo
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:10PM
  • Now do you understand why these clowns do not deserve our vote? When you do vote for either one or the other don't forget that you are voting for a liar and liars democracy do not make.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
    • So who do you see as PM in our Westminster parliamentary democracy Pen....if noone voted at all....who would be running us? the military.....a popular dictator....Dame Edna Everage??? Who?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:19PM
  • Rudd's advice - after six years, was - 'a NEW way'. Wow the old clichè, "signing you own death warrant", comes to mind. Abbott, didn't need to say anything else.

    Commenter
    Feet Slipper
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
    • "A New Way" is not a three-word slogan. Lol!

      Commenter
      Basil Fawlty
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:31PM
    • "A New Way" is not a three-word slogan. Lol!

      Commenter
      Basil Fawlty
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:31PM
  • Kevin Rudd tied very hard... but the harder he tried the more fake he looked, sort of like spelling out points and policies without the genuine care about them rather just a usual formality. As a whole I think Tony Abbott is more down to earth, more genuine, calm and controlled. This is purely looking and study their gestures and expressions, nothing to do with policies.

    Commenter
    Martin
    Location
    South Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:08PM
  • Abbott avoided every question and still no costings. He has had 3 years to come up with policies. He keeps saying he will show us ....when??? If people vote a gov without policies then fool them!!

    Commenter
    zeldatea
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:07PM
    • Get real, costings will only come very late in an election. Needless to say they are in opposition. Are you a first time green-green voter?!

      Commenter
      Martin
      Location
      South Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:14PM
    • Rudd came up with his costings two days out from the 2007 election against Howard. Have you forgotten that?

      Commenter
      Fred Blogg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
    • Zeldtea...Abbott will deliver his Budget well before Rudd did in 2007, Rudd handed his Budget costings at 16.45 on the friday before the election. Abbott has policies, you could ask yourself the same, where is Rudds policies,I don't see any his speech was the same as 2007, he even bought his old notes with him, which btw is cheating.

      Commenter
      Martin Says
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:43PM
    • Get real, costings will only come very late in an election. Needless to say they are in opposition. Are you a first time green-green voter?!

      Commenter
      Martin
      Location
      South Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:14PM
    • Rudd came up with his costings two days out from the 2007 election against Howard. Have you forgotten that?

      Commenter
      Fred Blogg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
    • Zeldtea...Abbott will deliver his Budget well before Rudd did in 2007, Rudd handed his Budget costings at 16.45 on the friday before the election. Abbott has policies, you could ask yourself the same, where is Rudds policies,I don't see any his speech was the same as 2007, he even bought his old notes with him, which btw is cheating.

      Commenter
      Martin Says
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:43PM
  • Rudd cheated..you can't have a debate with notes..he broke the rules.

    Commenter
    Martin Says
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:07PM
    • Says a lot about that man that he has to cheat.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:24PM
    • As debates go - very ordinary. Maybe include the greens and let's really see how the 3 leaders of the main parties perform. Very staged and stilted tonight.

      Journos were ultra ordinary as well - not really any hard hitting stuff.

      Come give us a real debate with lots of spice and lots of information. Allow all to have notes. Most debating teams don't talk from the top of their heads unless they've rehearsed over and over which is exactly what Abbott did - he was so rehearsed he said nothing.
      At least Rudd tried to give some information.

      Bring in the Greens and let Australians see a real debate for a change.

      Commenter
      Desley
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:47PM
    • Martin (and others), some prescribed reading.about debating... To save some time, go to the section "Use of notes and eye contact".
      http://www.sfu.ca/cmns/130d1/HOWTODEBATE.htm

      Commenter
      Peter Allan
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:56PM
    • In case you didn't know, the rules of the debate prohibited notes. Both sides agreed to that rule - but one side broke it - and thereby, cheated.

      Commenter
      JustinL
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:04PM
  • I can't believe Kevin Rudd keeps mentioning "new way" - seriously, he's had SIX YEARS to implement his new way, and all it has done is destroy this once-great land and drive us so deep into debt I don't know how we are going to get out. How he can say "new way" with a straight face is beyond me.

    Commenter
    Vlax
    Location
    G.
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:06PM
    • Rudd lost his way six years ago and still hasn't found it. It is why he has invented a new way from the bible.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:34PM
    • What were the fresh ideas? Did I miss something?

      Commenter
      Mike Oxlong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:05PM
  • I admire the fact that Rudd was more nervous at the beginning of the debate. Shows he cares deeply about what he's doing. Abbott didn't look nervous at all - insouciant almost - too smug for me by far. But then again, he knows he has it in the bag. Unlce Rupes you see....... the Rupester...... the nice guy....... he who is so humble etc........

    Commenter
    liquidman101
    Location
    Yagoona
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:03PM
    • Why don't you put your address down as Labor party HQ? Rudd a humble nervous fellow? Rudd wouldn't know his donkey from his deputy.

      Commenter
      the_Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
  • Dudd clearly hammered Phony I honestly thought! Dudd seemed quite articulate explaining the economy and Australia's future, while Phony seemed to provide quite superficial one-dimensional responses! The economy was clearly an area Phony could not delve into too deeply at all! In fact there weren't any areas he seem to win in the debate! Phony is getting warmed up and will most likely carve up in a 2nd debate!

    Commenter
    Mike Oxlong
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:03PM
    • You must be watching a different debate because Rudd was nervous, talked very fast, and used notes. Abbott spoke off the cuff, faced the camera, and his closing remarks were brilliant. It's all about us, not him.

      In contrast, it's all about Rudd, not us.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:14PM
  • was a single word spoken on housing affordability? if not, i'll give these debates a miss

    Commenter
    dave
    Location
    perth
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:00PM
    • Yes, I would have liked to have seen some discussion about housing affordability, especially as the current policies and programs have either ended or a due to end.

      I would also like to have seen some discussion on tackling the gambling epidemic in Oz....I realise there is a conflict of interest for the government (have a look at revenue from gambling!), but we have to get on top of it soon or the budget won't matter ;-)

      Commenter
      ant811
      Location
      canterbury
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:12PM
    • Good point! Both sides are complicit in keeping housing prices high. Even though it is a major REAL issue that impacts us, we are 'distracted' to care about minor issues like stopping boats and the tiny impact that carbon tax has. If I could vote for someone who cares about house costs I would.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:39PM
  • Rudd appealing to the emotive issue of gay marriage which is important to some but not the main game. Abbott was more credible and he didn't need cheat notes....

    Commenter
    dexxter
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 8:00PM
  • Does Kev still want a debate each week until the election ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:59PM
    • Tony Abbott will want more debates. I can see now why the government didn't want to go back into the parliament before the election. I was expecting more from Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      Apathy Abound
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:40PM
  • A Kevin Rudd led govt will provide Australia with a better future. A liberal govt will increase GST, reduce funding for the elderly, use the current labour plan to stop the boats, make it harder for small businesses and not support gay marriages. Wake up Mr Abbott. Vote Labour.

    Commenter
    Yogi72
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:59PM
    • Labor campaign HQ propaganda.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:07PM
    • Yogi72 - Abbott cannot increase the GST without all States and Territories agreeing to this - Rudd again lied about this as he did about the Vegemite which he produced which is not even made in Australia!!!

      Commenter
      Wilhelmina
      Location
      New South Wales
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:10PM
    • Geez, how many times do people have to tell you that the Coalition has promised not to raise the GST.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:13PM
    • If you could point me to the Labour party I will happily engage. If you are in fact talking Labor you will see there is no U in Labour!

      Commenter
      null
      Location
      Logan
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:17PM
    • This from someone that can't spell the party name it's LABOR, typical though and expected.

      Commenter
      Maurice
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:19PM
  • Abbott clearly won. Rudds line that there an airport in Brisbane and one in Melbourne particularly insightful. Think he dropped his Sydney vote by a third.

    Commenter
    Tc
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:58PM
    • Good point, Rudd always refers to Queensland as if it is Australia.

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
  • Nearly fell off my chair laughing at Abbotts "Direct Action"plan..planting more trees and selling dirt to other countries!!..Yeah ANOTHER FAILED POLICY!!

    Commenter
    Abbott is GOOONE
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:58PM
    • You should not laugh it is the most serious issue facing us and they both treat climate joke as if we are the joke.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:05PM
  • So Rudd used notes and cheated. Sums up the guy perfectly.

    Commenter
    Greg Mc
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:57PM
    • Could not agree more. This is nothing new for Mr Rudd. He cheated the Labor party for two years leaking information.
      Please Australia do not let him cheat us again.

      Commenter
      anaveragebloke
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:20PM
  • STILL no Costings from Abbott...why is he soooo scared to tell us?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:56PM
  • Interesting. Journos etc seem to be carrying on about Rudd deferring to a minister re a 2nd Sydney airport. Was I listening to the same debate - Abbott didn't come out and say he'd build a new airport - all he said was he'd build a road!!! As if a road is going to solve Sydney airport's problems!!!
    Certainly was a missed opportunity for Rudd - however we got more of the same ole from Abbott - 3 word slogans and really wouldn't give any proper economics data - wouldn't commit to age care - and simply said we'll follow Labour's lead.
    As to more the same we've had for 6 years if you vote for labour - interesting - Australia has had increased employment, increased hospital spending, increased productivity, increased education, increased infrastructure, reduction in carbon.
    Am I missing something from Abbott - isn't this what we're supposed to have as a country???
    Um Rudd get rid of the notes. Abbott - get real and start giving us the real numbers and avoiding questions.

    Commenter
    Desley
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:55PM
    • I do think both tried avoided answering questions, especially on the cuts. When asked about cuts, Rudd was like chatting about the weather and climate, on and on and wasted quite some serious time. Abbott avoided that question too but not as bad as Rudd.

      Commenter
      Martin
      Location
      South Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:12PM
  • Tony Abbott was WRONG! He's lying!
    You do not need the consent of the states to change the GST.
    This was ruled in June.

    Commenter
    DanB
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:55PM
    • What lie? Abbott did say that the states and territories have to approve any GST increase. LNP has said from the start that the GST would be included in any tax review but not changed unless it went to the people at an election. The only lies about GST increases have been from Rudd.

      Commenter
      LRS1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:11PM
    • This is misleading. The government can change any law if it has sufficient majority in both houses. Any law.

      What is meant is that under current laws, the coalition cannot change the GST.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:16PM
    • It it BOTH true that the government can change the legislation behind GST percentage AND the states could choose to vote for an increase (keeping in mind that THEY GET THE REVENUE so they will want it) Either way GST increase is the only way Abbott can 'fund' his bribes. But it comes out of our pockets.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:12PM
  • Awful. What a terrible reflection on the quality of leadership in Australian politics. Smarmy Abbott and Waffling Rudd. Expand the format, add a Greens and a Nationals candidate to force genuine debate. Oh like on Q&A....

    Commenter
    tjm
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:54PM
  • Abbot goes for Stephen Bradbury finish.... what exactly did he say he was going to do?

    Commenter
    jayro
    Location
    thirroul
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:53PM
    • jayro, I think you mean my local member David Bradbury the Assistant, Deputy, Treasurer and advisor to Wong, his will be the first seat to fall in the Western suburbs.
      I'll bet he has been on the phone to Albo asking him not to mention the airport. Anyway the union hacks don't use airports, they parachute themselves in to safe seats especially if they have skills.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:32PM
    • No, I think he meant Stephen Bradbury won a gold medal at the Winter Olympics when all the more serious skaters crashed out.

      Commenter
      jme
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:08PM
  • Fantastic performance from Abbott. Look foward to seeing him as our new Prime Minister.

    Commenter
    Stu Nice
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:53PM
    • Abbott was confident, assured, looking directly at the camera, or at his opponent, and speaking directly to the people of Australia. The closing remark was brilliant and statesman-like.

      In contrast, Rudd was nervous, looked down, read from his notes, waffled and was NEGATIVE. His closing remarks were terrible.

      That about summed up the debate which Abbott won hands down.

      Commenter
      Mandy Patrick
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:18PM
    • Yes, and I can't wait for the unscripted Abbott to make Australia even more of a laughing stock on the world stage, when he makes his classic faux pas...you know, like how you can't tax something you can't see? Scary.

      Commenter
      Chris R
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:51PM
  • The debate highlighted the need for Change! K Rudd argument were tied asking for a second chance.T Abbott argument were fresh with ideas to stimulate the country.Oppositions don't win Government .Government looses it! Labor loss it way and the polling shows this!

    Commenter
    Magoo
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
    • What were the fresh ideas? Did I miss something?

      Commenter
      Mike Oxlong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:05PM
  • Abbott was all about stuff he'll stop...where's the progress?

    Commenter
    Gooba1975
    Location
    Wollongong
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
  • The whole thing was pathetic. Questions without bite, and bugger all answers to anything concrete. If Rudd can't hit an easy target such as Abbott in the next few debates they can kiss any small hope they had goodbye. Abbott's "policies" are easy to break down Kevin, just do it.

    Commenter
    Jon
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
    • I agree, the press were pathetic especially on climate change.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:03PM
  • I want an ETS; I want gay marriage equality; I want NBN for all not just the rich; I want better aged care; I want disability care; I want better fairer school funding. To get all of this......there is only one party to vote for......I will be voting for my ALP candidate in my electorate because the LNP mob won't give it all to me.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:49PM
    • i want all those things too. but i also want budget responsibility. spending needs to match revenue, thats just fundamental.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
    • One will give...the other takes away. Progress is not an option for Abbott

      Commenter
      Gooba1975
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:52PM
    • Gimmie gimmie gimmie, I want, I want I want. ALP voters really are spoiled children.

      Commenter
      Stu Nice
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:55PM
    • You want it all, so are you a poor gay disabled pensioner teacher? I must be missing something.

      Commenter
      Many Issue
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:56PM
    • "spending needs to match revenue, thats just fundamental."

      Not in slowing economic conditions...Economics 101.....go and read some John Maynard Keynes....and see what happens. Good luck keeping your job!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:57PM
    • whhaaaa whaaa.....I want all this and Tony won't give it to me......whaaa dummy spit

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:59PM
    • Thank you for your second comment from Labor campaign HQ.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:59PM
    • stu...if one side is offering and the other is not.....its a clear choice....nothing to do with being a spoilt brat...its knowing what you want.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:02PM
    • Tim...you say as much as Tony said in the debate...just repeat the same slogans!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:08PM
    • @Stu, The post asked to be taxed so future generations could benefit. Asked for gay marriage (something that only other selfish people are denying a few) Asked for fibre broadband around the country. They might also 'want' world peace. Selfish isn't the word that comes to mind...

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:10PM
    • have you seen the light yet - Try to leave your debt scare campaign at home dude. We have a very low relative debt to GDP ratio.

      Something like a person on $100K owing $27K. Not an issue. US & UK are in teh 70-80% mark. That's an issue.

      Even thsn, I've no idea HOW Abbot will reduce it. He thinks austerity and GST increases will help but that will just kill the economy.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:10PM
    • You got it spot on mate. Liberal government is all about cutting jobs and pocketing the cash to super riches. Take money from Tobacco and win the election is their policy.

      To all those talking about spending. Creating jobs is more important than balancing the budget. Government shouldn't hesitate to spend in economic unstability. As I see Europe and their Austerity led policies, it just doesn't work.

      NBN is a must for future and liberal NBN is just rubbish. They will spend billions of dollars for a 3rd grade broadband which will be outdates by the time its finished. We need FIBRE TO THE PREMISES.

      Commenter
      A-in-Syd
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:11PM
    • And someone else can pay for it...
      Perferably the 'greedy' rich or future generations.

      Commenter
      Stu Nice
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:13PM
    • Good on you Peter...you've got the drift....and stu, we can afford it....our economy is still growing not in recession.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:28PM
    • This idea that we have the lowest debt to GDP ratio in the world is misleading. We have high total debt to GDP, just in other forms particularly our overpriced housing. In the end, the taxpayer is up for all his debts - personal as well as government (on his behalf).

      Labor cannot use the Keynesian excuse because they look like they will NEVER be able to repay even a cent of their billions of borrowings. Not the past 6 years and not even in their medium-term projections. With Labor - it's deficits all the way.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:34PM
    • Rodrigo....I can only rejoice in the fact that you are not in a Treasurer position for either ALP or LNP.....I sincerely hope that either of them will be able to make decisions based on the advice of economics experts, as they have in the past and do so today.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:44PM
    • @QED - it's not a debt scare campaign. it's common sense. i don't promote austerity for the sake of it, but i don't promote unlimited spending, which was what OP was suggesting. there's a responsible middle ground. more spending needs more revenue, it's as simple as that.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:06PM
    • jt
      don't fret about rodrigo.
      For him debt to GDP ratios are not real measures.
      Everyone else in the world uses them as the most representative and reliable yardsticks available.
      He doesn't, he knows better.
      Just like taxation and how the howard government was the highest taxing and spending government, as a percentage of GDP, we have EVER had.
      The figures are there for all to see but rodrigo denies it all. He reckons jellyback costello was not responsible for flogging off gold at rock bottom prices yet blames Labor for, the lower than average, deaths in the home insulation scheme.
      Go figure.
      His inconsistency is consistent.

      Commenter
      nkelly
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:31PM
  • The way both stood for the photo after the debate, may be we should be generous to both - make them PM and Deputy - Unity ticket for a half term and then change over in the second half. No slogans, no negativity - as they say in corporate jargon - Win - Win for all.

    Commenter
    MD
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:48PM
  • Like Abbott lead a blind runner in today's city to surf he leads all thr blind voters along to the election. Australia, wake up akogarahLike this guy will wreck this country.

    Commenter
    Fitzy of kogarah
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:47PM
  • Abbott clearly won ...... BUT
    Unfortunately we did not see a "debate", instead just a series of speeches.
    This format does not reveal anything !

    Commenter
    Gary
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:46PM
    • more like a series of talking points,

      reporter asks a question
      politician responds with talking points
      other politician responds with talking points

      noticed a few time where both men didn't respond to the question but just recited the script

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:50PM
    • Abbott lost - what a smarmy performance. How could anyone take him seriously? More slogans no real substance.

      Commenter
      scarlett123
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:01PM
    • I wouldn't say Abbott won...it was polished politics in Rudd vs school yard debating from abbott (Flim Flam came to mind)...lots of emotion minimal fact.

      Commenter
      ede
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
  • Was Laurie Oakes asleep during the debate? Sure neither of them presented election winning performances, but Rudd trounced Abbott....the worm showed it up as 59 Rudd, 41 Abbott....Abbott performed like a pre-school teacher being quizzed on Physics.....appalling. I keep saying it,....no-one likes Abbott. Labor will win again because he's not the one to lead the nation.....

    Commenter
    Bigger
    Location
    Rozelle
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:44PM
    • No one likes Abbott????? You mean you do not like Abbott. please do not think you have permission to speak for all of Australia.

      You don't . you are doing exactly waht Rudd attempts to do!

      Commenter
      I have a voice of my own
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:16PM
    • And Channel 7 showed the vote 68-32 in favour of our next Prime Minister Mr Abbott

      Commenter
      Gary
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:38PM
  • Tony nailed it, well dome Tony !!

    Commenter
    Martin Says
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:44PM
    • Kevin has my vote just because he wants a bill on gay marriage. Thats all that matters for my vote this election.

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:58PM
    • Meh1..I am gay my self, while my gay lover believes in gay marriage, I am rather agnostic when it comes to that. I see the economy boarder protection health, education far bigger than gay marriage. But good on you for voting. Gay marriage will come and I may even have to do the right thing by my lover. But atm its not on my agenda

      Commenter
      Mrtin Says
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:17PM
    • @meh1 ... if gay marriage is your total priority in this election, you need to wake up and smell the coffee....

      Commenter
      cdinoz
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:24PM
    • @Mrtin well shame on you for keeping us in the dark. It's time to move forward. We are equal and you of all people should know this.

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:35PM
    • Meh1..I am 1 vote, I will not be bullied into a Labor Vote by you because you believe I am letting my brothers and sisters down. I have the bigger picture to look at, while you may be happy to vote because you want to marry your lesbian lover, I am not ( I am assuming your a lesbian as that were this whole gay marriage issue is coming from ) All of my gay male friends say their marriage certificate is their mortgage.You know we are not equal, no one is equal, we all win and we all lose, some are rich some are poor, I am fairly well off, do you want money, just so we are equal, go and grow up, and leave me alone.Use your brain.

      Commenter
      Martn Says
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:04PM
    • @Meh1, Martin can still be party of the gay community without voting for gay marriage and why say shame on him, its personal choice.you're just nasty.

      Commenter
      Ramsgate Ram
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:16PM
  • Talking without facts and details does not meant a thing to me. At lease current government are making statement and could be seen by people. I would not put my money on someone that cant be trusted date back to Hewsen age.

    Commenter
    Bondi
    Location
    Atarmon
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:44PM
  • Abbott continues to ignore the GFC. He keeps quoting the halcyon days of Howard.
    Bit like a politician in the 1950s mentioning how wonderful things were in the 1920s and failing to mention WWII.
    He 'still' has not mentioned how the hell he's going to drop all these taxes, pay all this money and balance the books.
    My guess, get into power by any means possible, tell the mugs anything, then just blame Labor for not being able to meet any commitments.
    Then the massive slashing and burning, firing and privatising can begin. And meanwhile Tony will be out embarrassing us round the world or riding his bike.

    Commenter
    Toby
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:42PM
  • Was the worm/audience also fitted by Krudds American expert?
    What a biased audience. He didn't have to speak for the worm to go up. Funny that...
    Even when he didn't answer questions and rudely interrupted the moderator.

    Commenter
    Anna2
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:42PM
    • Exactly the same thing happened on Channel 7 - only it was in Abbott's favour. As soon as Rudd opened his mouth, the work dropped from 70% to 30%.
      Was that one rigged too?

      Commenter
      DanB
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:49PM
    • Watching the channel 9 broadcast was almost the exact opposite. Personally, I think Rudd spoke much better and I agree generally much more with him than Abbott, but I was wondering about how unbiased the audience was.

      Commenter
      Emma
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:42PM
    • are you serious.
      who makes there decision based on the worm?
      pointless point

      Commenter
      Paradigm75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:41PM
  • Answer the question Mr Rudd. Stop waffling about irrelevancies and answer the question.

    Commenter
    The Question
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:41PM
  • I think Rudd has forgotten that he is Prime Minister of the whole country not just QLD.

    Commenter
    bincros
    Location
    Taree
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:39PM
    • Agree...the downside of voting for a Queenslander to rule the country is that a Queenslander only cares about Queensland.

      Commenter
      P
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:48PM
  • I thought Rudd was the better liar.

    Commenter
    gobsmack
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • Rudd can't take a risk
    Abott need not take risk

    Commenter
    Paradigm75
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • My vote doesn't count. I'm not on twotter.

    Commenter
    Mrs Flowerpot
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • The saddest was the lies hence, another directional run of the flock: more trust Abbott than Rudd, despite the most serious of the issues will inevitably control the economy (climate change) by 20% of world GDP: $14 trillion (Stern).

    Yet Coalition and Labor climate change policy are so absurd it begs belief, it typifies why increased support for the Coalition is that of sheep.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • I find it difficult when Abbott keeps saying that all will be revealed in "good times" Hello.. we are less than month away from election. Most appropriate time is NOW. Cmon don't treat us like mugs - come clean. No slogan please either - want to see real numbers tks

    Commenter
    MD
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • Abbott is unelectable. Still negative, avoiding, no policy, just catchphrases.

    Commenter
    jcr2
    Location
    Marrickville
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:38PM
  • are you totally serious ? how may minions has prime minister Rupert Murdoch have in control of the reaction meters (or whatever they are called ) ? as soon as abbott opens his mouth to try and stumble his way through an answer the worm skyrockets upwards. however even before rudd gets anywhere near answering the question the percentages immediately plummet. Murdoch and his pro liberal newspapers decided the last qld election and the same is happening on the national front.

    Commenter
    pw
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:37PM
    • are you serious.
      who makes there decision based on the worm?
      pointless point

      Commenter
      Paradigm75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:41PM
    • Watching the channel 9 broadcast was almost the exact opposite. Personally, I think Rudd spoke much better and I agree generally much more with him than Abbott, but I was wondering about how unbiased the audience was.

      Commenter
      Emma
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:42PM
  • When will Kevin Rudd stop lying.

    Commenter
    The Inconveniient Truth
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:37PM
    • when all you suckers stop voting for him

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:39PM
    • Sept 7. Oakes and Speers give it to Abbott. Rudd using notes will be a discussion point. The rules for the debate were no notes. Kev cheated.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:41PM
    • When will Abbott stop treating the Australian public like idiots?

      Commenter
      joey
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:47PM
  • Mr Rudd says he believes in "marriage equality" now. Apparently until recently he was quite opposed to equality in marriage.

    His vierws on the subject actually show what an unreliable and tiresome man he really is.

    Commenter
    David Morrison
    Location
    Blue Mountains
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:35PM
    • and mr abbott saying not long ago he was threatened by gay people now saying he can tolerate them if they're in his family? hang on, well, not much has changed there i guess.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:39PM
    • It goes to the definition of marriage and vague slogans such as "marriage equality". I don't trust a very intelligent man like KR if he descends to such inanity.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:46PM
    • Yeah & Rudd wasn't going to challenge Gillard, right up to the time he knifed her - can't trust a thing this egotistical maniac says - has to be biggest hypocrite of all time

      Commenter
      MD
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:00PM
    • The most educated person in the world who perhaps is a Rhodes scholar, might be very proficient in the writing of their papers and get honors results in their chosen field......doesn't mean to say they can come across as knowledgable about what they are talking about in a debate...in Tony's case far from it.

      Commenter
      Jt
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:59PM
  • Flabbagasted.....Tony Abbott has just proved he has nothing to say of any substance....only slogans......he can't talk for quids! He's got nothing to say.....what an embarassment if he ever had to talk to foreign leaders.....totally embarrassed for Australia.......an idiot representing us.......if he has nothing to say now, what is he going to give for the next 3 years.....nothing. Zilch.....we will have to wait another 3 years to get something of any value......what a MASSIVE waste.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:35PM
    • Thank you for your comment from Labor Party campaign HQ.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:39PM
    • Tim...when are you going to realise that there are people out here with very different opinions and views of reality to yours, without being 'rusted on' or part of Labor HQ. Just a different view of reality, neither better or worse than yours.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:42PM
    • @ JT. That's was Liberal supporters do. As soon as they see something they don't like, they blame Labor HQ.
      It's a poor way to argue.

      Commenter
      DanB
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
  • Terrible process. Lots of interjections. Rather abrupt I thought. Nil all draw at best.

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
  • At least Tony Abbott had the courtesy to look across at Kevin Rudd while he was addressing him and answering questions - Rudd just stood and stared straight ahead at all times just like a tin soldier - nothing else but total contempt on his part.

    Commenter
    Max
    Location
    Sunshine Coast
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
    • Um he's talking to you the voter not Abbot. If it was a proper debate and the speakers got to address their opponents questions then maybe he would address him.

      Commenter
      me
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:09PM
  • Abbott was hopeless, High School debater and a poor one. Is that what we want to led the country.

    Commenter
    Black Bart
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
  • Shades of Mark Latham & John Howard in the 6.39 photo.

    Commenter
    stroevey
    Location
    bathurst
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:32PM
  • Well done Tony, you showed Kev up for the fraud he is.
    Labor could change leader again overnight.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:32PM
    • Bring Gillard back you think ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:36PM
    • They actually can't.
      Shows how much attention you pay.

      Commenter
      DanB
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:52PM
  • All this debate has done which was mainly spin and lies is make democracy poorer for it. It has underlined that I am right in not voting for liars.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:31PM
  • How dumb can he get? Our economy is strong because of the mining boom. No Hawke, howard, costello would've done it without the boom.

    Commenter
    hhmmmmm
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:30PM
  • Just couldn't trust the country to Abbott...sorry he just hasn't got it. He is just a Liberal... pro business above all else and the expense of all else.

    Commenter
    RTP.
    Location
    Sawtell
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:30PM
  • Just confirms my views on Kevin Rudd. Full of hot air, lacking in detail and accuracy and is just like his predecessor, a puppet reading from a rehearsed script. Very ordinary answering what were pretty straightforward questions off the cuff.

    Commenter
    Ruddyordinary
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:30PM
  • Rudd is lying again, Abbott did not rip 1 billion out of hospitals, he transferred it from part of medical funding to another part of medical funding for reasons of a better funding regime.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:29PM
  • Don't bother about the debate, certainly not voting Abbott, Both of them can't be trust, full of crap. Liberal can only see 5 inches ahead very short sighted, labour can see a bit further, that is my view.

    Commenter
    tekdouble standardrfulsom
    Location
    Melabourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:29PM
  • Who won ? Abbott held his own at least. Rudd stumbled a couple of times, used notes and often avoided questions.

    For someone supposedly positive, Rudd was highly negative. It looks like "the new way" is really the old way.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:29PM
    • Only Hacka could describe anyone other than Abbott as negative. That's because he is being paid to say so.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:37PM
    • it is not "the new way" - it is "a new way" = BIG difference. Get your facts right.

      Commenter
      MD
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:51PM
  • has anyone noticed that even before Mr Rudd speaks the worm dives to 35% and before Abbott speaks the worm sky rockets to 65%?

    Commenter
    Curiosity 92
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:28PM
    • May god rescue common sense from worms.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:34PM
    • Rupert has control of the sky worm, it's funny if you watch nine its exactly opposite to sky and seven so its looking pretty even to me (from the worm perspective that is)

      Commenter
      Wazza
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:36PM
    • What worm? There wasn't one on the ABC thank goodness.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:37PM
    • i was watching abcnews24 , there was no worm.

      #missingoutagain

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:48PM
    • Curiosity 92, Have you only just found out how smart the worm is, he knows Rudd is a con before he even opens his mouth. I'll bet Albo is pleased Rudd has dropped him in it with his airport flim flam.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:00PM
    • These were two worms in the debate tonight. Kevin Rudd was outnumbered.

      Commenter
      Caligula
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:03PM
  • The old Rudd waffle just keeps on slipping and sliding. He's such a petty small minded showman. I can't wait to vote for a change of government.

    Commenter
    MarkH
    Location
    Curl Curl
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:28PM
  • Good to see the worm on 7 move in the complete opposite direction to the one on 9.

    Commenter
    Gee up
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:26PM
  • Rudd is lying our cost of living is still the highest on the cost of living index sitting on 159%?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:26PM
  • Oh look, now gay marriage is the nations number one priority. Hello, jobs?

    Commenter
    100 days
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:24PM
    • Equal rights for ALL Australians is always a valid issue. THEN if we go you your question - HOW WILL ABBOTT CREAT MORE JOBS??? Don't bother telling me about that 1.5 bill cut to company tax cos that would assume I'm an ecomonic imbecile who thinks that one policy of 1.5 bill is an economic directive. To pick something at random - obesity costs us $120 billion per year. And Abbott's grand vision is a tiny bribe to business???

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:01PM
  • Folks.Labor have had their shot and blown it.Put the better economic managers back in to save the economy.Wake us Australia

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:24PM
  • It's important that there are environmental approvals in place. QLD Libs are sending the Mary river turtle to extinction and the Vic Libs are killing off the last of the leadbeaters possums.

    That's what ignoring the environment achieves.Extinction.

    That's what the Libs are happy to do.

    Commenter
    sarajane
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:24PM
    • one or two less turtles will not affect anything.

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:27PM
  • Can't we just close Christmas Island as an Australian Detention Centre. Why not sell or lease it to China/Taiwan for fishing rights and set up seafood processing facility. The Australian taxpayers will then make money out of the Island and not lose a billion dollars a year.

    Commenter
    matt
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:21PM
    • Christmas Island gives us rights over Timor Sea oil.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:28PM
    • Pretty difficult as Christmas Island is 2000 km from the Timor Gap, Steve. Get your facts right, Labor supporter. I notice you, in particular, lie a lot.

      Commenter
      Fred Blogg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:21PM
  • Abbott is lying he can not reduce our emissions by 5%. The only way this can be done is by nuclear power or concentrated solar with salt storage.

    Rudd is also lying or emissions are dramatically increases each year with increased population growth and increased coal production. Other countries such Spain and the US are years ahead of Australian climate change, which cannot keep pace with population growth.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:20PM
    • You can tell when Abbott is lying. His lips move!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:29PM
    • he can improve, by improving the soil :P

      Commenter
      Curiosity 92
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:31PM
    • Planting a tree in the NT doesn't help reduce carbon emissions in Perth.

      Commenter
      Caligula
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:07PM
  • Rudd would find it hard to talk his way out of his killer policies (pink batts which have drawn coronial condemnation), duplicity, backstabbing, treason and economic illiteracy (how big is the deficit??). We've got nothing to show for the biggest boom ever where billions have been blown. The big plan to get out of debt is a smoker-led recovery. Image, cuteness and support from schoolchildren who can't vote, are his trademarks. Is Abbott any better? Highly unlikely. And people wonder why the country's stuffed.

    Commenter
    Laurie Mills
    Location
    fnq
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:19PM
    • In what way is the country stuffed?
      Interest rates?
      Inflation?
      AAA credit rating?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:32PM
    • Steve, how about you go and do some research about the shoddy financial ratings agencies and all the lawsuits overseas before you talk about AAA credit ratings. Over the next few years our rating will be reduced, you know what? Because the world is enduring an economic crisis.

      Commenter
      Anna2
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:45PM
  • dear mr abbott: emission means "A substance discharged into the air"- trees do not stop things being discharged. you cannot grow enough trees in 5 years to reduce emissions. stop being silly.

    regards,
    common sense

    Commenter
    have you seen it yet, the light?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:19PM
    • trees alone don't stop emissions, we must improve on the soil

      :P

      Commenter
      Curiosity 92
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
    • Dear Light, are you familiar with photosynthesis?

      Commenter
      Bangalonian
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:40PM
    • Curiosity

      Our entire arable land is just 6.15% of the total land mass. Soil saintly is growing at an alarming rate as we try to grow more food. Check CSIRO soil salinity.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:01PM
    • dear Bangalonian, are familiar with science? your comment suggests you're not. please review the relevant literature and return with your comments (hint: planting trees won't reduce carbon emissions)

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 9:04PM
  • tony abbott on soil magic: "it's awesome trust me!"

    Commenter
    have you seen it yet, the light?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:17PM
  • Rudd's reading notes, Tony Abbott looking much more confident without them, he's debating!

    Commenter
    timjackelton
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:16PM
    • Rudd should use teleprompter like Obama( did not his US adviser tell him?)

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:20PM
    • Yes and we have heard all his crap before, he has to have notes.
      Watch Rudd's wavering upper lip.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:22PM
    • Which proves what? Who is the better liar?

      So far I am yet to hear truth from both of them.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:23PM
    • Sure Rudd used notes, but it is easier when you are not having to remember and actual answers to questions. Abbott did not tell us ANYTHING! I've been waiting for a couple of years to hear ACTUAL policies from Abbott. How can we vote for someone without explanation of policies? It's just not good enough to tell me that the economy "will be better under the Liberals" NOT GOOD ENOUGH! He needs to say why or it's not believable.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:34PM
  • Hey, Despicable Me is on right now, its a lot better than watching Rudd & Abbott play funeral directors & trying to bury each other with verbal dirt.

    Commenter
    Leon@Armadale
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:15PM
    • Beautiful Comment!

      Commenter
      NN
      Location
      Going down hill with Dudd
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:21PM
  • Oh look... A climate change, global warming question. I'll worry about having a job before I worry about being submerged underwater by melting ice caps.

    Commenter
    Glub glub glub
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:15PM
    • ugh, shows the ignorance of australians. AGW has many effects, you see them in the form of harsher summers and more chaotic winters. australia wont be submerged by water, but we may be burned alive by bush fires. obvious temperatures are increasing.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:24PM
    • I live the city so not likely.

      Commenter
      Glub Glub Glub
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
    • ugh, ignorance is not bliss mate.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:35PM
    • So you don't care then that global warming costs billions of dollars as a result of the harsher weather condition? What about the QLD floods? They affected agriculture production and mining (people unable to work, sites have to be closed temporarily) Or the Victorian bushfires?

      Commenter
      Tash
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:45PM
    • Ok let's go nuclear. Fully support. Real power, the power of the atom. Not this airy fairy wind and solar stuff.

      Commenter
      Glub Glub Glub
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:49PM
  • Rudd pompous and lecturing

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:13PM
    • Rudd has just told he signed the Kyoto protocol, what has it done for jobs.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:17PM
    • Abbot talks about "our plan".....Rudd talks about "his plan".
      Megalomaniac Rudd at his best!

      Commenter
      Hounddub
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:29PM
    • Once-in-a-century egomaniac

      Commenter
      Bangalonian
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:56PM
  • Looks like thats a big Zero on aged care from Tony

    Commenter
    coolabine
    Location
    Manila
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:12PM
    • The conservatives believe we come into this world with nothing and then do their very best to see we leave it that way.

      Commenter
      Caligula
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:10PM
  • I didn't bother watching on TV, and looking at the usual (& very limited number of) party reps commenting here, I'm glad I didn't.

    Commenter
    Ivan
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:12PM
  • Abbott is totally out of his depth on aged care

    Commenter
    sarajane
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:11PM
    • Exactly the opposite. Clean out your ears. Mr Abbott is best qualified of all people on t his subject.

      Commenter
      Julie
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:14PM
  • To build infrastructure requires money, population increases have driven down infrastructure spending currently lagging behind population growth and heading towards a lag of almost 1 trillion dollars.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:10PM
  • I'm not watching. I've got some hankies to iron and some socks to darn.Far more important and interesting than this tosh.

    Commenter
    J. Stalin
    Location
    Altona North
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:10PM
    • Indeed, in fact the artificial lawn might just need a trim.

      Commenter
      rhett99bird
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:12PM
    • But enough time to comment about it? lol

      Commenter
      ant81
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:54PM
  • Did Rudd just alienate half of Western Sydney with his flim flam jelly-like response to the second Sydney Airport question ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:09PM
    • He sure did ! Sydney Airport is an absolute disaster and everybody knows that.

      Commenter
      Curly
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:23PM
    • Or did abbot just show his true colours by pouring more money to already rich suburbs?

      Commenter
      hhmmmmm
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:33PM
  • Hearing rudd waffle on and back track is doing nothing to help his cause. The more he speaks the more i am reminded he is the minister for misinformation, nothing about him looks or sounds prime ministerial. He takes no blame, makes no decisions and stands for committees not real action. Time to zip buster and give us back our country.

    Commenter
    jb
    Location
    belfast
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:09PM
    • Agree wholeheartedly

      Commenter
      Surely not
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:21PM
    • I disagree wholeheartedly

      Commenter
      Conrad
      Location
      Darwin
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:39PM
  • How rigged is the channel 7 worm! Dislikes Rudd before he even starts talking!

    Commenter
    Anthony
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:08PM
    • Rigged.....people aren't rigged in their natural dislike of this creature.

      Commenter
      rhett99bird
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:13PM
    • Maybe it's the person himself.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:16PM
  • Abbott is going to win this first debate -
    the Vegemite kid has not lived up to expectations. Abbott is the more polished presenter - surprisingly so.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:08PM
    • Which debate are you watching?

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:21PM
    • Haaaaaa Great comedy value as always Tim!

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:57PM
    • I guess we all see what we want to see, don't we?

      Commenter
      ant811
      Location
      canterbury
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:06PM
    • You only win the debate Tim you answer questions and support the arguments you make. Abbott did none of this. His just gave us the same slogans. That doesn't mean that the same stupid people won't be fooled by those slogans, but he came nowhere near winning the debate.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:52PM
  • Why is Tony Abbott unable to talk in detail?

    Commenter
    Greg
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:07PM
    • I think the question is why does Rudd feel the need to waffle so much instead of simply answering the question?

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:16PM
    • So much for being a Rhodes Scholar. Oxford University must have ben desperate in those days.

      Commenter
      Larry
      Location
      Northern Victoria
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:26PM
  • " Now let me just say this " Come on Kev. Can't you think of anything else to say ? You are WAY behind in this debate - give up now buddy !!

    Commenter
    curly
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:06PM
  • Rudd is simply not believable...he is not honest...he is fake !

    Commenter
    Robert
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:06PM
  • Sevens app is skewed and ridiculous, Abbot is losing hands down.

    Commenter
    Cameron
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:06PM
    • More likely the young Libs are on a mission to skew it. I'm not seeing anything new from Abbott here, just more of the same slag offs.

      Commenter
      Chris R
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:13PM
  • Labor: big talkers;big spenders.

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:05PM
    • How do you know....read it in the Telegraph!

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:20PM
    • Bob - did you miss the bit where in the debate they stated that Howard spent 24% of GDP and Labor spent 25% of GDP. Abbott didn't depute this cos it's true. Reality is Labor only spent more cos they saved us from the GFC and spent on infrastructure (something Howard NEVER did.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:21PM
  • Rudd's mumblings on the economy do not take into account that Labor's spending demands more growth, higher taxes and cuts to expenditure.

    Unemployment is rising. Income is falling. The mining boom has ended. We have no surplus for at least the next 4 years. And government debt is around $500 billion?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:05PM
    • Pen, please clearly itemise exactly where this supposed $500 billion deficit comes from.

      I dare you...

      Commenter
      realist
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:46PM
    • realist

      Australian government debt to GDP ratio:

      Commonwealth net debt: 10.6%

      State and local government net debt: 13.4%

      Public company net debt: 20.4%

      Public superannuation debt/liquid investments: 25%

      Gross debt: 43-45% realising approximately $500 billion debt.

      This might be reasonable if the government added the “unfunded super liability” to its debts to begin with. But Treasury discloses that “net debt does not include superannuation-related liabilities”.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:57PM
  • It makes sense there are greater numbers of boats arriving than previously. It's not a result of a poor approach, more so that Australia has proven to be one of the most stable economies, so obviously the preference is to come to Oz, as opposed to other countries they may have previously tried to seek asylum, and this is why we are seeing continuing growing numbers.

    Commenter
    ant81
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:04PM
    • Spot on! If we were getting out of town would we stop in Russia or try to get to switzerland

      Commenter
      Mike Oxlong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:38PM
  • I found interesting the photo at the start of the action. Anyone who knows anything about body language would see that Rudd is the dominant man here, His hand is on top of Abbott's when they are shaking hands, his hand is closer to himself - drawing Abbot to him and making him *reach* for his hand and most importantly his hand clapping Abbott on the shoulder...classic dominant behavior.

    Abbot on the other hand feels threatened and ill at ease by his *chicken neck, thrusting his chin out to make himself appear bigger and the obvious tension in his neck. Rudd on the other hand seems perfectly relaxed and calm showing no fear and complete control.

    By the way word usage is also interesting *scramble to save* implies little or no plan and a haphazard answer to a situation and not the type of answer I would expect from a country' Leader

    Commenter
    Old enought to know better
    Location
    SW Vic
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:02PM
    • Rudd must getting handshake lessons from Mark Latham.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:12PM
    • OMG, so what is the lip licking and the hair flicking telling you?

      Commenter
      rhett99bird
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:15PM
    • or arrogance

      Commenter
      Surely not
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:24PM
  • How can Abbott say that the Libs never cut health, when Napthine runs out the back door to avoid protesting paramedics.

    Commenter
    sarajane
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:00PM
    • sarajane you are a troll, BUT i agree with you about our Vic Ambo's they NEED a PAYRISE Dennis!!

      Commenter
      AMBO'S NEED A PAYRISE DENNIS
      Location
      Going down hill with Dudd
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:41PM
  • Rudd is refusing to answer questions - Hartcher's tax questions, Speers' direct question about whether Rudd was responsible for restarting the boats.

    Silly move Kev.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 7:00PM
    • Has Kevin answered any questions yet?

      It's just like watching Gillard dancing around questions. Never answers the question asked.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:07PM
  • So is Rudd saying the reason he dismantled the border protection policies in 2007 is because you elected me? So really, it's all you dumb voters fault. Seriously?

    Commenter
    Confused
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:59PM
  • Yes, it is very easy to condemn the government's stance on asylum seekers.....truth is, there is no simple solution.

    Commenter
    ant81
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:55PM
  • Kevin FUD more like it amirite?

    Commenter
    have you seen it yet, the light?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:54PM
  • Since Tony Burke’s PNG policy announcement, 25 boats have arrived carrying 1809 passengers. Of those 118 asylum seekers have been transferred to Manus Island.

    Consequently by the time of writing, three weeks since the PNG policy was announced, 1809 arrivals if consistent every three weeks equates to 31440 per year.

    However during two consecutive days last week we had 178 new arrivals, if this number remained consistent it equates to 32574 a year with a 3.06% increase? Despite Burk’s $30 million advertising campaign to reach about 400,000 Muslims in Australia, compared with only spending an additional $7 million advertising overseas, by any definition is an outrageous act of political promotion of Labor’s asylum seeker policy; in addition to being another unsuccessful and expensive policy failure.

    Labor’s spending $37 million when in caretaker mode (follows dissolution of lower house) is contemptuous political campaigning funded by ripping off taxpayers. To claim the spending a triumph more so, especially when facts demonstrate otherwise, and irrespective of Burke’s claimed evidence to the contrary that no one has actually seen?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:52PM
    • Agreed ...... it is disgusting.

      Commenter
      Gary
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:05PM
    • How long do you think it takes to make such a journey? A lot longer than I think you realise. Many of these people currently arriving would have either left shore already or were just about to when the changes swept through. Interviews of some arrivals had found that some knew about the changes but came anyway since their money was spent and they couldn't get a refund.
      As for turning the boats around, why do you think people smugglers use boats that are barely one trip away from falling apart? Because if they do get picked up, they don't lose money. And since boats often sink on the way or at arrival, how many do you think would be ABLE to make a return journey?

      Try thinking things through past A - B and think about C and D . There are more factors here at play than just our Government.

      Commenter
      Old enought to know better
      Location
      SW Vic
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:14PM
    • Old enought to know better

      Christmas Island is 220 miles south of Indonesia, therefore no more than a three day journey.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:44PM
    • Pity English born boat immigrant Abbott took us to war isnt it....no war=no soldiers deaths=no refugee boats.Will Abbott apologise for that?

      Commenter
      Archer
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:01PM
  • FUD. that's all i can see. "positive" eh mr. rudd? pick up your game mate.

    Commenter
    have you seen it yet, the light?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:52PM
  • “All I'm doing .. is saying if that's the case then people should know that that's 50 cents extra on a jar of Vegemite.”

    Where on earth is Rudd coming from: implying an Abbott plot to include GST on food? Did his unedifying porky comprise the fact that if the GST includes food those on low incomes and on CentreLink services will have to paid substantial increases? That’s assuming all of the states agree to expand the GST to food. Not to mention that the Coalition tax review is to evaluate the viability or otherwise of every tax. Only then if the GST is evaluated in need of change will the question be put to the States. Thereafter should the States unanimously agree to any proposed change it will be put to the electorate at the next election in 2016 for voters to decide? Our economic reality will most likely see the electorate vote for a change.

    Rudd is well aware of this stated democratic process that at the end of the day it will be the people’s choice as it should be via the ballot box to change the GST. However, Rudd could not help himself from degrading the democratic process with mendaciousness instead of honesty to win electorate support. His standard of shameful continuance of low Labor politics only justifies Murdoch’s opinion of worthlessness of Labor and Rudd.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:50PM
  • All waffle, no answers, no costings, no substance. No GST increase under coalition just a review !!! Nothing’s changed. Just fear and innuendo.

    Commenter
    RTP.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:47PM
    • FUD wins elections, FUD cuts through to the electorate. don't blame the politicians, they react to the people who vote for them. want a better politician? first seek a better electorate.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:49PM
    • Yes, don't answe any question directly, Mr Abbott, just use it as an opportunity to slag off.
      And your NBN under expert advice is just as good an option? Whose advice would this be, because it's not the IT experts. Rupert Murdochs, perhaps?

      Commenter
      Chris R
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:02PM
    • Yes, Mr Murdoch is both an IT expert and Abbott's boss he he is very qualified to tell Abbott what to do re the NBN regardless of if it is in Australia's interest or not.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:18PM
    • NBN - 4 years, 100,000 premises passed (including 33,000 houses) or thereabouts. Only 10 million more to go. You do the maths, genius.

      Commenter
      Tom Richardson
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:29PM
    • Tom - you are right that the NBN roll out is painfully slow. The alternative is that Abbott is in charge and he will do all in his power to prevent a real NBN being implemented cos he takes instruction from his boss Rupert. Very sad for us but our options are slow real NBN or no real NBN. I choose the first option.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:44PM
  • Cant trust Rudd. He never introduces what he states he will except for something like pink bats where people got killed becuase he did not think it through....get him out!!!

    Commenter
    macfadcg@hotmail.com
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:47PM
    • What about Youth Unemployment Mr Rudd, you can have all the training schemes you can think up, but if there are no jobs out there it is a waste of time.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:56PM
    • Abbott showing the first signs of stress!

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:05PM
    • The deaths from improper instalation of pink bats were caused by the greed of the businesses entrusted to do the job properly. It is one of the greatest arguments for greater government regulation of business in recent history. The greed of businesses caused the deaths not the government

      Commenter
      RTP.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:11PM
  • "I deal in facts" says Rudd. That comment might come back to haunt him.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:47PM
    • Rudd is talking to us as if we are schoolchildren. Mind you he has had plenty of experience of that, but grownups don't listen to fairy tales.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:01PM
    • So Rudd will not tell us about the airport in Sydney, because he says he does not come from Sydney. He has passed it on to Albo and we all know what that means, Australia will land a man on Mars before we get a new airport.
      It is not as though Rudd does not like planes.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:11PM
    • Gay marriage go Kevin!!! Whooo hoooo

      Commenter
      Meh1
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:36PM
  • Is this the best leader Labor can come up with, what about the 7 who would not serve with Rudd.
    Someone should tell Rudd this is not a union meeting.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:46PM
  • Kevin outfoxed

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:46PM
    • Which debate are you watching?

      Commenter
      Jay
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:56PM
  • First lie by Rudd:

    Rudd claims a strong economy? A strong economy first requires strong employment.

    Strong employment requires 15,000 new jobs needed a month just to keep steady.

    “Government revised unemployment of 6.25% is well below steady.

    ABS June stats show the number of new jobs fell to 10,300 to be under population growth, in annual growth terms, employment hasn't kept up for nearly 2 years. Since mid-last year the gap between the full-time rate and the total rate has been increasing. In April 2012 the rate was 5.1% for both categories. In June this year the full-time ABS unemployment rate was 6.0%, and 0.3 higher than the total rate, Tasmania has 8.4% unemployment.

    The gap reveals disastrous employment times and steady 1500 per month growth a dream for employment of the past.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:44PM
    • I'm ok that we have jobs compared to the rest of the world that followed an Abbott style conservative austerity formula. Spain, at 30%+ UK in the toilet etc. 6% post GST? Not too bad.

      Ask the real question - the only one that matters - how does Abbott neo-con austerity GST increase create jobs? The choice is 6% or the unknown.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:03PM
    • Abbott spent the whole time blowing smoke up our collective butts. "Australians are special etc..." Please just tell us HOW he will improve our country!

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:15PM
    • You know what caused the problems of Spain and the UK? Too much debts.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:40PM
  • Looks like Tony has gone to the Mark Latham school of handshaking.

    Commenter
    Turtleneck
    Location
    New England
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:43PM
  • Should not the correct English for Tony Abbott's opening sentence be 'Mr Rudd and myself'....not 'Mr. Rudd and me' as he said.

    Commenter
    ant81
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:43PM
    • Dudd begins by saying Australia "is by instinct a positive people".<< And you call Rudd's opening words correct grammar??

      Commenter
      Bring on the election`
      Location
      Going down hill with Dudd
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:02PM
    • They are both correct

      Commenter
      Jules
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:06PM
    • What you hear/see is what you get

      Commenter
      Leon@Armadale
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:09PM
    • Here are some correct examples: "I look forward to a good debate between Mr Rudd and me." "Mr Rudd and I will be debating tonight on a range of topics." "I have confused both Mr Rudd and myself." "She has confused Mr Rudd and me." "Mr Rudd or I will win the election." The word "myself" is very often misused. It is not always better English to use the word "myself." In fact, it is often used incorrectly.

      Commenter
      Grammar School
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:15PM
    • No, I don't believe I ever said anything about Rudd's opening statement. Clearly grammer is not the strongest point for people here. Either 'Rudd and I' or 'Rudd and myself'.

      Repliers, I suggest you vote Abbott.......he suits your intelligence levels.

      Commenter
      ant811
      Location
      canterbury
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:17PM
  • Already Abbott has promised to recalim the bonus payments,
    (hardly any bonus to electorate,maybe compensation would be more apt) implemented by Labor for the Carbon Tax(the raised profits to coal miners By not removing it,but we know price hikes will return the money straight back to Governments private allies.,and governments.

    Commenter
    Kane
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:42PM
  • How can they show the money? First up they both have to find out where it is - or isn't?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:29PM
    • Pen not sure of what you are trying to say. We have national accounts, they show income and expenditure so both these are know. What is not know unless we are told is what needs to be cut to fund promises if the income has fallen. Income slowed as the mining boom comes off the boil so the parties must show where the cuts will be made or whether they will just print money.

      Commenter
      RTP.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:42PM
    • RTP

      We are spending more than income every week?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:55PM
    • Abbott can't give figures. How can he when Rudd is in the middle of a spendathon? 400 million to after school care...a few billion taken from universities...what is next?
      In three weeks, to get votes, he'll pledge a few more hundred million.

      Commenter
      Anna2
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:43PM
    • Anna2 - nothing to do with Rudd figures. Abbott needs to come up with HIS figures. HOW will he spend/ tax/ save??? 4 weeks to go and he's go no plan!

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:13PM
  • I just hope that this “event” is not just a choreographed gab fest. Abbott it seems has already said he will not provide any costings for election promises in the debate so his credibility is partially shot already and he’ll probably just attack Labor’s past record. That’s not substance. We will have to watch Rudd very closely to ensure that he backs up all of the changes to Labor policy that he has overseen since returning to the leadership.

    Commenter
    RTP.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:22PM
  • I feel sorry for Abbott that he had to buy twitter followers.

    Pity the Greens can't join the debate. It's eay to call them "radical" when they're continuously silenced.

    I think Abbott's policy of paying 15,000 unemployed people 300 a week to plant trees should be questioned. Who will pay to transport them and to accomodate them, what is the "real" cost of this?

    His policies are questionable.

    And he needs to be questioned on climate change. And how he plans to reduce emissions.

    Commenter
    sarajane
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:22PM
    • Actually it was Dudd's social media US team that did that. They did the same thing in the US campaign. Do your research :)

      Commenter
      laborsucks.com
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:27PM
    • I think Rudd needs to be questioned. Why is he even back as leader? What's different to the person who was deposed by his own party last time for being useless? Why should we vote for a party whose leaders changed twice? Where's the stability?

      Commenter
      DonnieB
      Location
      QLD
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:29PM
    • Perhaps Milne should debate Katter and Palmer. What a shriekfest that would be.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:30PM
    • You are kidding right... What about Rudd? That shmaltzy fake needs to be put to the sword and the big questions asked about pink batts and the other disasters like fuelwatch and grocerywatch that happened on duddwatch. He acts like he's this new messiah, but he's the same bloke that got punted by his own party. He's like the kid you put in goals on the soccer field to make him feel "special" cos he has no way of making the team on his own merits.

      Commenter
      smattering of truth
      Location
      Brisvegas
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:32PM
    • @donnieb - stability? seriously? it's not as though a change of leader is the downfall of australian democracy, this isn't america. what changes when a leader changes? in vic we have a new premier, nothing's changed. darwin has a new chief minister, whats changed there? nothing much as far as i can see. in fed politics labor has a new leader (and a new prime minister), nothing's changed. please just stop being so ignorant of the system, unless of course you yourself are a partisan tragic, at which i say i feel sorry for you, and any one like you.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:35PM
    • So lightbulb, what you are saying is that it's the same crap party under Dudd-Gillard-Dudd? It doesn't matter that they chop and change and the stability isn't there because no matter who leads they will give us the same debacles over and over again? Cool, thanks for clarifying :)

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:39PM
    • @shiyoganai - no worries, thats pretty much what i'm saying, i can tell you are a partisan tragic and can't see the forest for the lnp slogans, as you miss my broader point. congratulations australia, slogans is what you want, and slogans is what you'll get.

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:45PM
    • fair enough lightbulb, you've flipped the switch off and are a rusted on laborite whose living life in the dark being told what to do and think by a cheese merchant, whose own party aren't interested in keeping him around and yet they expect us to vote for "him" so they can all keep their jobs. Time to face the facts bud :)

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 6:56PM
    • @shiyoganai - much lulz to be had with your comment. it speaks volumes of your dichotomous political world view. if it's not lnp it must be labour right? or the greens? how about you disconnect from what you think politics is about and start to understand what these political machines actually represent. pray tell, what "facts" must i face now?

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:02PM
    • You should be very embarrassed, making a statement for which the facts have revealed this Twitter vote buying scare was totally false !
      I guess it's like Rudd saying he "deals in facts", which he has been exposed on an endless basis as deceit.
      I am an not an LNP voter, having last time (and regret) voting Independent, but this time I will ensure my vote is to disadvantage of Labor. I want an honest government, who's leader is truthful.

      Commenter
      Gary
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:02PM
    • @Gary - LOL. good luck with that :wink:

      Commenter
      have you seen it yet, the light?
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:10PM
    • Abbott didn't buy them. Someone else set up the followers.
      A few years ago they claimed 3/4 of Rudds twitter followers were bought.

      Commenter
      BJames
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:11PM
    • Well Gary you can't vote the libs in that case.

      Commenter
      hhmmmmm
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:22PM
    • How about we question Abbott about HOW he is going to delivery anything he promises? 4 weeks till an election and I really have no idea HOW he will deliver the things he promises. Even on the minor issues like stopping the boats, I’ve no idea how he will do it. Towing boats back won’t work.

      All we heard is that cutting company tax will somehow create jobs that will help families. As opposed to just helping families? No straight answers from Abbott. Will he increase GST? No, but we will review it????

      I’m really happy for any of you Lib shills to educate me so I can understand HOW Abbott will do anything. Let’s be clear – “stopping the boats” is a WHAT. A strong economy is a WHAT. HOW will Abbott do this?

      HOW, HOW, HOW Mr Abbott???

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:56PM
  • Yawn.

    Commenter
    HiLo
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:19PM
    • Agree

      Commenter
      Bring on the election`
      Location
      Going down hill with Dudd
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:13PM
  • I think most people have got better things to do on their Sunday night than waste it watching "more of the same". Quite frankly the vast majority of us just want our opportunity to turf out Dudd once and for all. Debates are pointless and won't change that fact.

    Commenter
    shiyoganai
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:18PM
    • So true, like watching Punch & Judy

      Commenter
      agree
      Location
      Going down hill with Dudd
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:18PM
    • A lot of people are undecided and these debates will help them decide. A majority of people still like Krudd better than Abbot as a nations leader. Coalition austerity driven policies will be proven harmful if you learn anything from Greece and Europe Period

      Commenter
      A-in-Syd
      Location
      Wollongong
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:13PM
  • Kevin thinks he's the bookies favourite, which is probably fair enough. I wonder how much of that smugness will be on display tonight.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:17PM
    • Krudd $4.80 Tabbott $1.17 Bookies rarely get it wrong

      Commenter
      Peterwalker58
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:12PM
    • You are not obviously not watching it hacka.

      Commenter
      hhmmmmm
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:19PM
  • honestly, if people think by now any politician is anything other than a party hack then i feel sorry for you (and i count the greens amongst that, just listen to their rhetoric). wake up, these people are nothing more than cogs in a vast political machine, all of them.

    Commenter
    have you seen it yet, the light?
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:14PM
    • Yes, and thats why I'm not going to vote.

      Commenter
      Larry
      Location
      Northern Victoria
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 8:19PM
  • How many jars of Vegemite can Rudd buy with a black hole: $33.3 million worth over four years.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 11, 2013, 6:03PM
    • Is that with or without GST on each one?

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      August 11, 2013, 7:01PM
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