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Federal Politics

Election wrap: August 14, 2013

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Let's look back at the day that was:

  • the campaign is set to get personal with Labor on the cusp of releasing new ads focussing on Mr Abbott's character;
  • this is based on Mr Abbott's comments from yesterday about a candidate's sex appeal as well as his remarks today about same sex marriage;
  • Mr Abbott blamed the sex appeal comment on a "dad moment";
  • Mr Rudd announced a $209 million vocational education program;
  • both Labor and the Coalition jumped on the anti Greens train after the Coalition said it was the last party that would get its preferences; and
  • both Mr Rudd and Mr Abbott said they did want to form a minority government but were after power in their own right.

My thanks to you for reading, commenting and sharing the campaign trail with us.

Mega thanks to Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen for their wizard like way with photographs.

Until tomorrow.

Magician Andrew Meares has completed his scientific study of the Rudd selfie.

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You have to hand it to a man who can fix his hair while being photographed by/with a punter.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visits the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visits the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

A hard day on the campaign trail.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd visited the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd gently moved the offending balloon out of the way before declaring: "The Ekka is above politics."

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the Ekka Brisbane Show  on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the Ekka Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Swinging voters - you just can't trust them.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd removes a LNP balloon from a family photo when he visited the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd removes a LNP balloon from a family photo when he visited the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd adjusts his hair after preparing starwberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd adjusts his hair after preparing starwberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

If only this wind would stop blowing.

I don't know about you but I really fancy one of these (the sundaes, that is).

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made stawberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made stawberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

The must have campaign accessory these days is a photogenic daughter, dontchaknow.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the EKKA Brisbane Show with his daughter Jessica on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the EKKA Brisbane Show with his daughter Jessica on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

It's official - Mr Rudd has kissed his first baby (sorry, bub) of the campaign.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd kisses his first baby of the campaign - Harper Florea - at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd kisses his first baby of the campaign - Harper Florea - at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd hugs Harper Florea at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd hugs Harper Florea at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

This being Kevin Rudd all babies will henceforth be called "bubs".

Every vote comes with a strawberry sundae.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made strawberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made strawberry sundaes at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

My people!

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the EKKA Brisbane Show on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Earlier today Mr Abbott stood by his opposition to same sex marriage saying he respected tradition and did not want to embark on "radical change based on the fashion of the moment".

Mr Abbott told radio host John Laws: "I'm not saying that our culture, our traditions are perfect, but we have to respect them and my idea is to build on the strength of our society and I support, by and large, evolutionary change.

Reporters Daniel Hurst and Heath Aston have more.

Labor plans to put Coalition leader Tony Abbott's character at the centre of the election campaign after a third stumble by Mr Abbott in as many days.

Heath Aston - who is travelling with Kevin Rudd - reports that Labor strategists believe Mr Abbott's recent comments show him as stuck in the past and someone who young people in particular would have trouble identifying with.

Despite Mr Rudd's comments about wanting an end to negative politics Labor is poised to release new television ads contrasting Mr Abbott's old fashioned views and painting Mr Rudd as a man of the future.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd is about to arrive at the Ekka in Brisbane (which is something akin to the Royal Easter Show).

Maybe he is waiting for Coalition frontbencher Julie Bishop to finish her campaigning duties so as to avoid any crossover? (Ms Bishop is campaigning with Teresa Gambaro, the Liberal National Party MP for Brisbane.)

As photographer Andrew Meares put it: "It's a selfapallooza kind of day."

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I sense that the day is going to end up with all sorts of fun and frivolous show photos so let me point you in the direction of some weightier stuff before that ends.

Education reporter Daniel Hurst has written about Labor's discovery that it is unable to walk away from more than $2 billion in cuts to higher education and student support outlined in the May budget. However Higher Education Minister Kim Carr has succeeded in getting action on the controversial new cap on education expense tax deductions.

The Sydney Morning Herald's redoubtable economics editor, Ross Gittins, accuses both Kevin Rudd and Tony Abbott of trying to get away with making as few commitments to anyone as possible.

Former Mediawatch host turned columnist for The Age, Jonathan Holmes, looks at the continuing snarkiness between Kevin Rudd and media company News Corp.

 

Rudd adviser Eamon Fitzpatrick and Abbott adviser James Boyce cross paths on the tarmac in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Rudd adviser Eamon Fitzpatrick and Abbott adviser James Boyce cross paths on the tarmac in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

A moment of brief bipartisan bonhomie as the travelling Labor and Coalition cavalcades cross paths on the Brisbane tarmac.

Team Coalition is outward bound (we've heard the last of them for the day) and Team Labor is inward bound on its way to the Brisbane Ekka.

Regular readers might remember that I was surprised to learn Labor was not particularly interested in Tony Abott's "sex appeal" remarks when he first made them yesterday.

Labor leader Kevin Rudd has since come out and criticised Mr Abbott and the Coalition is busy laughing off the comments.

My colleague Judith Ireland was similarly interested in Labor's reaction yesterday and how different it might have been if Julia Gillard was still prime minister.

Judith has written this piece in which she wonders how sincere Labor was in its campaign against sexism and misogyny.

The view from the media bus as it pootles after Coalition leader Tony Abbott in Brisbane earlier today.

The view from the window of the media bus following  Opposition leader Tony Abbott on Wednesday.

The view from the window of the media bus following Opposition leader Tony Abbott on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

This is crying out for a clever caption - maybe something to do with the Garden of Eden? Forked tongues? Parseltongue?

Anyone got any ideas?

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits Caboolture on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott visits Caboolture on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

What do you mean you haven't seen The Daily Show's ode to the election?

It's brilliant (and not just because it features some pictures by our very own Alex Ellinghausen).

The American political comedy show was stunned by the brevity of the campaign, the fact that voting is compulsory as well as sundry other gems from the first week of the campaign.

You can read about it and see some snippets here.

(Far be it from me to suggest you might want to spend a wee while finding the clip on the interweb.)

Coalition frontbencher Christopher Pyne: "I wish people would describe me as having sex appeal."

Fiona Scott, the Liberal Party candidate who was described by Coalition leader Tony Abbott as having "sex appeal", can't see what all the fuss is about.

"I definitely thought it was a very charming compliment," Ms Scott told radio station 2GB in Sydney.

"It was a lighthearted moment."

But, as they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

In this video interview Greens candidate Hall Greenland (who is running against Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese in his inner Sydney seat of Grayndler) talks about what the decision not to give him preferences means for his campaign.

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Interview: Greens candidate Hall Greenland sees his chances at knocking off Anthony Albanese slim as the Coalition lets fly on preferences.

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Golly - I'm having a hard time trying to keep up with which major party hates the Greens more.

Both Labor and the Coalition are on no speakers with the party.

Breaking news reporters Daniel Hurst and Judith Ireland have written this piece to bring you up to date on who won't be swapping preferences with who.

Plus, The Age's state political editor, Josh Gordon, has looked at what preference arrangements mean in real life. He points out that given the Coalition's real enemy is Labor it would make more strategic sense for it to put Labor behind the Greens in key electorates.

Mr Abbott gets photobombed by the local Caboolture netball team.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott says Mr Roy is "part of the coming wave of national leadership from the Coalition".

Leadership speculation - go!

Opposition leader Tony Abbott with LNP MP Wyatt Roy at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott with LNP MP Wyatt Roy at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott does not care to return to the issue of his "sex appeal" comment.

"I'll leave Mr Rudd to hyperventilate," Mr Abbott says.

 

Mr Abbott is visiting Caboolture in the seat of Longman (which was once upon a time home to Howard government minister Mal Brough) but is now held by the most excellently named Wyatt Roy.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and his daughter Bridget with the local Caboolture netball team in Queensland on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and his daughter Bridget with the local Caboolture netball team in Queensland on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Phew - that didn't go so badly.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at Caboolture in Queensland on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

There is also growing disquiet inside Labor ranks about the party's tough asylum seeker policy.

Tasmanian Labor senator Lin Thorp the The Launceston Examiner on Wednesday that she did not know anyone in the party who was "completely happy" with the offshore processing and resettlement policy announced by Mr Rudd last month.

Immigration correspondent Bianca Hall has more.

A couple of things that I've been meaning to direct you to but have not got around to until now. My apologies.

The first is a call by Nobel laureate Brian Schmidt to all parties to think beyond the electoral cycle and invest in science for the long term.

"Innovation doesn't just happen. It is nurtured over a period of time," Professor Schmidt says.

(Incidentally, Professor Schmidt is an avid tweeter and worth a follow if his duel interests are science and wine float your boat. His handle is @cosmicpinot)

 

Today's Fact Checker segment is now available.

In it economics correspondent Peter Martin looks at the claim made by the Coalition's finance spokesman, Andrew Robb, that Australia is "heading towards 800,000 Australians without a job".

You can read Peter's findings here.

Alternatively you could watch Peter discuss the issue in this video.

 

 

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Sometimes politicians like to do what are called "pic facs".

This is an event organised solely for the purpose of giving photographers and cameramen good pictures. Journalists might be allowed to go but if they are they are not allowed to ask questions.

Both the major parties love them. Coalition leader Tony Abbott just did one in Brisbane which involved him standing around with Queensland Premier Campbell Newman and looking at maps of the Torres Strait. There was a lot of finger pointing and talk of "porous borders".

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and Queensland Premier Campbell Newman survey the Torres Strait on a map during their visit to the Queensland Police Command Centre in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott and Queensland Premier Campbell Newman survey the Torres Strait on a map during their visit to the Queensland Police Command Centre in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Milne is happy - kind of - with all this talk of preferences.

"There's no doubt [Labor frontbencher] Anthony Albanese will be smiling that his biggest backer is Tony Abbott," Senator Milne says.

Whatever Mr Abbott says on the campaign trail "doesn't matter because we'd rather have him than the Greens," Senator Milne says.

She predicts an increase in Greens' volunteers as people decide to out campaign the major parties.

 

Greens leader Christine Milne is in fiery form.

She is finding it passing strange that the Coalition would not form a coalition with the Greens.

"The Liberals cannot govern alone," Senator Milne says before going on to point out that Mr Abbott's deputy prime minister would be the leader of the National Party, Warren Truss.

"Most people in the community wouldn't have a clue about that," Senator Milne says.

Mr Rudd finishes up by addressing the issue of scare campaigns: "I've never seen Mr Abbott run away from a fear campaign when he could throw a can of kerosene on it."

(Funnily enough Mr Rudd did not mention Labor's own campaign about the Coalition and the GST. Hello pot, this is kettle calling.)

Mr Rudd is asked about Mr Abbott's "sex appeal" remarks.

He says he has "decided that it's worth commenting on".

"This one is pretty odd to be blunt," Mr Rudd says.

"If any male employer stood up in a workplace anywhere in Australia and pointing to a female staff member said 'This person is a good staff member because they have sex appeal' I think people would scratch their heads and I think the employer would find themselves in serious strife."

Mr Rudd continued: "Neither sexisim, racism nor homophobia has any place whatsoever."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is not so Greens' focussed as Mr Abbott today.

He is asked if Labor will follow the Coalition's lead and put the Greens last.

Mr Rudd says preferences are an "organisational matter" and he intends to leave it in the hands of party headquarters.

No deals with independents or anyone else will be entered into, Mr Rudd says.

Like Mr Abbott he says his aim "is to form a majority in our own right".

Mr Rudd says the only reason why Mr Abbott is not releasing the Coalition's costings is fear.

"If the Australian people knew what was in his plans they'd be very, very worried," Mr Rudd says.

"If [Queensland premier] Campbell Newman is his model....then frankly it's time he levelled with the Australian people.....You can't have a hidden plan like this forever."

 

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd is talking up "this beautiful part of Australia" as a centre for conferences, tourisms and world leaders (a meeting of G20 finance ministers will be held in Cairns in 2014).

Mr Rudd is announcing $209.8 million for 137 new trade training centres to "ensure all Australian students are given every opportunity to secure high skill, high wage jobs beyond the China mining investment boom".

The centres will focus on trades including carpentry, joinery, metal fabrication, agriculture and horticulture.

 

Therese Rein at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday.

Therese Rein at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Rudd says vocational education should have a higher profile.

"I couldn't think of a more practical building block than this [trade and training centres] to help our young people," Mr Rudd says.

"Not every kid wants to go off to university. Not every kid wants to be a rocket scientist. Some kids want to work with their hands."

Kevin Rudd has begun his press conference.

He starts by praising the "lads" for "doing things with their hands".

"If they're good at it they will make a motza," Mr Rudd says.

I am just waiting to bring you Kevin Rudd's press conference. He is visiting the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his wife Therese Rein meet Lachlan White at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and his wife Therese Rein meet Lachlan White at the St Mary's Trade Training Centre in Cairns on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

It's not quite a mixed metaphor; it's something more than that but I'm struggling to describe it.

Peter Beattie: "At the end of the day the reality is..."

Just to clarify (in case anyone was wondering) the Coalition's decision to preference the Greens last applies to both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Labor is equally anti Green.

But it does like Katter's Australian Party head honcho, Bob Katter.

As Labor candidate Peter Beattie puts it: "I may disagree with Bob Katter but I'll hold hands with Bob Katter if it means a better deal for Queensland."

The retired independent MP Tony Windsor has finished packing up his Canberra office, the last thing he had to do before winding up his political life.

Mr Windsor says the election campaign has been "pretty slow and boring" so far.

Mr Windsor predicts the Coalition will win the election with 52 per cent of the vote (on a two party preferred basis) but cautions that he has been "wrong plenty of times before".

Mr Windsor told Sky News the Coalition's decision to preference Labor over the Greens would make a difference in some seats but possibly not in the Senate because people see Labor and the Coalition as "one party with two different management teams".

Mr Windsor said he would miss politics but that he made the right decision in retiring and thanked people for their kind emails and text messages.

Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg says the "caravan has moved on" when it comes to the sex appeal comments. In today's segment of Breaking Politics Mr Frydenberg and Labor MP Laura Smyth discuss the remark as well as preference deals and policy costings.

You can watch the video below.

 

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Liberal Joshua Frydenberg and Labor's Laura Smyth discuss week two of the campaign, including Tony Abbott's sex appeal gaffe, the coalition's policy costings, and preference deals.

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PEFO, PEFO - was it only a day ago you were raining down facts, figures and economic statistics upon us?

As pretty everyone expected the Coalition did not see any reason why the release of the pre election economic and fiscal outlook should lead it to detail its policy costings.

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny looks at the issue - which goes to the heart of both parties attempts to get the upper hand in the economic argument - in this story here.

 

Both the major parties are not too keen on the Greens at the moment.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott wants all the pesky Greens candidates preferenced last and thinks Labor should do the same.

Mr Abbott says Mr Rudd should be "man enough" to do this, as Judith Ireland reports in this story.

The move would put a major dint in the chances of deputy leader of the Greens, Adam Bandt, to hang on to his inner city Melbourne seat. But, as is the way with these things, the same act would make it easier for Labor frontbencher, Anthony Albanese, to keep his Sydney seat of Grayndler where he faces a strong challenge from the Greens.

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaking to the media at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaking to the media at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Back to describing candidates as having "sex appeal" - Coalition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey does not think it's a problem.

Mr Hockey laughed about the comments on Channel 10 last night: "Tony says it to me often that I'm a sexy guy. We've got a special kind of love going."

Curiously, Labor MPs have been quiet on the issue (quiet when you consider how frequently the word "misogyny" was hurled at him last year and up until about late June this year). Front bencher Kim Carr described them as "really pathetic" and Penny Wong said the comments did not surprise her.

Breaking news reporter Judith Ireland has filed this story about reaction to the comments.

Jonathan Swan - who is travelling with Mr Abbott - writes about the moment Mr Abbott made the remarks.

What do you think about Mr Abbott's comments? You can have your say in our readers' poll which you can find here.

Mr Rudd is in Cairns this morning where he will visit a trade and skills expo.

He will later fly to Brisbane to visit the Ekka (the place where Mr Abbott encountered ice cream last Friday).

Mr Abbott concluded his press conference by saying if the Coalition lost the election he would have no one to blame but himself.

"If this election is lose I'll carry the can," he said.

Liberal MP Philip Ruddock listens as Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaks to the media at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Liberal MP Philip Ruddock listens as Opposition leader Tony Abbott speaks to the media at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott has also had quite enough of Labor's repeated comments that a Coalition government would raise the GST. Likewise the suggestions that it would close childcare centres.

(Apparently the flyers are being dropped thick and fast in electorates where the cost of living is seen as a big issue.)

"We can go round and round the mulberry bush on this issue," Mr Abbott said.

"There would be no change to the GST full stop, end of story."

Mr Abbott said Labor leader Kevin Rudd should "just show sufficient respect for the Australian people to talk about the real issues".

 

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on a morning run with his daughter Bridget  in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on a morning run with his daughter Bridget in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott was also asked about what he would do if the Coalition won the election but faced opposition in the Senate to his desire to repeal the carbon tax.

Mr Abbott said he doubted Labor would try to stop him.

Mr Abbott's preference is for the election to deliver him "a strong mandate".

"If we get that we would expect the Parliament to respect that," Mr Abbott said.

However, he is more than prepared to consider a double dissolution election if the Senate tries to thwart him.

"There are options available under the constitution," Mr Abbott said.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at a press conference at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott at a press conference at his hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Let's start the morning with some comments from Mr Abbott at a Brisbane press conference that has just wrapped up.

Mr Abbott was asked about yesterday's remark that the Coalition's candidate in the Sydney seat of Lindsay, Fiona Scott, had "sex appeal".

Mr Abbott laughed and said: "As the kids suggested to me, I had a dad moment."

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on a morning run with his daughter Bridget  in Brisbane on Wednesday.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott on a morning run with his daughter Bridget in Brisbane on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Good morning.

It's Wednesday - hump day of the week. Join me, Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen for all the news and views from the campaign trail.

 

 

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  • Why the emphasis on Rudd's hair including the pics,when his opponent Abbott wears a hairnet to protect his hairstyle and to hide his small hair transplant
    Why does Rudd get pics in a crowd or with his hair all over the place. Does that make him a better PM candidate?

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    tashman1@gmail.com
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    August 14, 2013, 5:39PM
  • How can a personal attack like this be allowed, one rule for the libs and one for the other??
    Just wondering, Hacka, is small-mindedness an essential criterion to be a Liberal supporter, or are you trying to be the most typical Liberal on the board?

    CommenterWhyalla WipeoutyLocationDate and timeAugust 14, 2013, 4:39PM

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    Stacey
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    August 14, 2013, 5:29PM
  • Could someone in the Rudd camp get Kevin some deodorant

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    Stacey
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    August 14, 2013, 5:23PM
  • Australia must be a horrible place
    Australia is racist, sexist, and full of white males. The wealthy and successful are all evil. The sportsmen are overpaid and get too much publicity and Bogans are everywhere

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    Genghis
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    August 14, 2013, 5:18PM
    • Macca "Strange world - People need a cup of coffee from a professional Barista but want the country run by amateurs"

      Only in a country as dumb as OZ

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      Genghis
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      August 14, 2013, 5:02PM
  • Photo at 4.57 - hope someone got a front on with Rudd holding or standing next to the LNP balloon !!! Worth thousands!

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    Tim of Altona
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    August 14, 2013, 5:02PM
    • They've got a short memory, Denny, a short memory.

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      Tristan
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      August 14, 2013, 5:02PM
  • Kev looks like a natural ice cream salesman. At least come October he shall have a profession to fall back on. My cousin owns a used car business and he would also welcome a Kardashian.

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    Genghis
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    August 14, 2013, 4:49PM
    • I wouldn't mind welcoming a Kardashian - now there's real sex appeal.

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      Suppository
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      August 14, 2013, 4:58PM
    • As Kev is a Kokoda Survivor I would always give him a job, he must be one tough cookie

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      Pat
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      August 14, 2013, 5:20PM
  • What is all this circus ?
    Are we voting for a king like person or for a party. Will the new PM be a absolute Monarch or has he/she to listen to the party --- or being knifed by their comrades ?

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    Bruno
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    August 14, 2013, 4:48PM
    • Tristan. One difference that you may not have picked up, and it goes to a fundamental difference between Labor and Liberal. Mal Brough was preselected by the LNP members of Fisher. The LNP executive put up James McGrath and the locals voted for fellow local Brough. Big difference to the way Beattie won reselection. All I have to say about Beattie is that he will fit in well with the national ALP. Together they have racked up about $350Billion of debt. He will fit right in.

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      Denny
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      August 14, 2013, 4:47PM
  • 4:37pm: It's official - Mr Rudd has kissed his first baby (sorry, bub) of the campaign

    Rudd whispers - vote for Kevin , Kevin your leader

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    Genghis
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    August 14, 2013, 4:46PM
  • I wonder if Abbott watches Mad Men thinking that it's Reality TV...

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    pseudomys
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    August 14, 2013, 4:30PM
    • I wonder if, before he knifed Julia, Rudd watched the original British series of "House of Cards" and "To Play the King". Francis Urquhart = Kevin Rudd? Or perhaps Kevvy watches the West Wing and wishes he could be like Josiah Bartlet?

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      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
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      August 14, 2013, 5:04PM
  • Election Live @4.11
    Surprise surprise, Labor will milk the gaffes of Abbott for all they can.
    I am not happy with Abbott's sexist remark yesterday, however it pales into insignificance against :

    Rudd of the New York Strip Club
    Rudd of the Underminer of Gillard

    Despite Abbott's silly comment the Coalition remain the best party to sort out the Budget Mess. Guess Labor don't want our focus on their Repetitive $$$$$$$$ Deficit

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    yys
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    August 14, 2013, 4:22PM
    • Deficits aren't necessarily bad, and there's enough commentary out there that show's it to be the case. There were 17 deficits in a row from 1953 to 1970, just as an example, so the economy under a Liberal led government hasn't always been managed as well as they say it has using their own benchmark. The later years of the Howard government have been called Australia's most profligate ever by the IMF, and that includes the current government. So much for the economy always being managed better under a Liberal led government.

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      Big Tone
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      August 14, 2013, 4:53PM
    • @yys, it's called desperation. Labor are now well behind in the polls and even further behind in the betting markets. Expect plenty more of this coming out of the Rudd camp as polling day draws near.

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      Tim of Altona
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      August 14, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Big Tone is right. To put it simply:

      Debt for growth and appreciating assets = good debt.

      Debt for depreciating assets = bad debt

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      Tom
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      August 14, 2013, 5:00PM
    • Big Tone

      Not true, the report was not by the IMF, read the cover note of it. It says specifically that the report is not to be promoted as representing the views of the IMF.
      Epic Fail Big Tone.
      Deficits are jolly bad when receipts had not fallen. MisManagement and Overspend by Labor is jolly bad, but not at all funny.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Epic fail? The later years of the Howard government set up budgets which were based on the good times of the mining boom to continue indefinitely. As soon as the good times ended, say by a Global Financial Crisis, falling commodity prices, and large increase to the AUD, the economic policies used by the Howard government failed. It would have been fine if tax receipts continued as they had, but that wasn't the case. Having only 20B in the bank to get through the tough times, such as those I've mentioned, and not investing in productivity related infrastructure or long term social initiatives with the record revenues of the mining boom, is poor economic management. Do I trust the current LNP to manage the economy through a transition such as we're seeing today? Given past experience, no way.

      Commenter
      Big Tone
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:33PM
  • That perfectly sums up Abbott's depth of thought. He sticks to the shallow end.

    Commenter
    Cephid226
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Perfectly replicated by the shallowness of the ALP's reported attack ads (see post 4:11 p.m.). So much for the Coalition's so-called negativity. All the ALP's got are minor sound-bites, blown up way beyond their actual significance. The fact remains that the ALP has form for stuffing up in so many areas, and they've got nothing they can truly take credit for.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:01PM
  • Abbott referring to same-sex marriage as 'the fashion of the moment' is pretty ridiculous.

    A cop out.

    Small-minded men made exactly the same arguments against the Abolitionist movement and the Suffragettes.

    This is no different.

    Commenter
    Hans von Schlappenplanker
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:52PM
    • Gay marriage is not the key issue of the election. Neither is sexism. These are social issues and neither major party have total agreement with either issue despite what the loudest voices in this discussion might think and say.
      Instead of being distracted lets keep to the guts of government : the Labor budget blowout.
      If we have no money the good things like Balancing the Books and Disabilty Care will never be realized.

      Commenter
      yys
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:41PM
    • It's not a distraction for those who are told by politicians that they are not allowed to marry the people they love. That's discrimination, pure and simple.

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:51PM
    • I think around 2/3rds of the population agree that Gay Marriage should be a non-issue. Politicians should just allow it, approve it, and then move on so we can talk about more important stuff.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:03PM
    • Tom
      Let's see what happens during the first term of the next Government.
      Whomever governs if a change to the marriage legislation if put forward then there will be a vote.
      There is some movement from politicians of the major parties, but movement there is.

      Just saying it is not a pivotal issue for many voters.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:12PM
    • Less people both gay and straight will be getting married if people keep losing jobs, economy has to take the priority. It will happen next term no doubt

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:14PM
    • Genghis @5.02pm

      i agree with you, jobs and economy first.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:37PM
  • As usual Ross Gittins has got it right again. One major problem is too much population growth in a short space of time. One million every 2.59 years is indulging insanity.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:51PM
    • Pen,
      Australia can easily absorb a population growth of this amount.
      Unless of course you want our kids and their kids to have less than you had in life.
      New people brings new growth and new experiences.
      Look at the wealth of experience we have from the Italians, Greeks, Vietnamese in our communities. We would not be the same, in fact poor for it, if they weren't here.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:34PM
  • So both the LNP and the ALP awe willing to hold the electorate to ransom to maintain their own hegemony. Disgusting. Vote for us or else. These people are actually willing to leave the public out in the cold, potentially without without Government and Services merely because Constituents had the gall to exercise their afforded democratic rights. It is an absolutely appalling display by all concerned.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:33PM
    • If you don't want to vote along party lines, you just number your ballot paper the way you want it. It's not that hard.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:50PM
    • Facts are

      Well I am leaving mine blank with a typed explanation of why attached. Do you think that your own numbers on your ballot paper will stop the lies?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:57PM
    • I realise that. What I am saying is that if for instance there is not a majority of LNP or ALP members elected to Parliament then both will refuse to form Government and force another election until one of them gets to do so. If you are in an electorate which has elected for an independent/Green/Sex Party/DLP then essentially what the main stream parties are saying to you is "we don't care if you elect someone else, if you do and there is no majority for either of us we are going to force election after election until there is". So even though you may exercise your right not to "vote along party lines" the exercise of this right will ultimately be devalued if your decision to do so, in conjunction with others, brings about a hung Parliament.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:02PM
  • It seems like the only handover notes that Julia gave Kevin were the ones that said to keep blaming it all on Rupert.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:31PM
    • I wonder if Jool's will invite Rupert to her $1.8 million entertainers delight of a new residence in Adelaide's most swish burb?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:02PM
    • Just wondering, Hacka, is small-mindedness an essential criterion to be a Liberal supporter, or are you trying to be the most typical Liberal on the board?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeouty
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:39PM
  • What is the stop point for the NBM Cost.

    Question for the forum - how much would be too much for the NBM to cost.

    I want to ask a hypothetical is I may. If the NBM did cost $90 billion as Malcolm Turnball is suggesting is it then worth it at any cost?

    (side note: I don't think it will cost this much at all)

    But lets say it ends up costing $60billion (split the difference) is it still worth it with 5th Gen wireless coming in 8-10years offering theoretical speeds of tens of gigabits per second.

    Can I please ask for non-partisan answers on what we think is the dollar value we would be prepared to pay as taxpayers for the NBM and why?

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:27PM
    • First of all we have to know the cost, do you, because I don't?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Michael - if you don't believe that the NBN will cost upwards of $90 billion then you obviously never worked for a Government organisation. This is non partisan statement, as all government rolled out projects on both sides of politics end up costing much more than first forecast. ANother example is the Qld Health payroll system - $200 million initial forecast, only to end up costing $1 Billion more to fix it.

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Michael - asking for a non-partisan answer is a tough ask but here goes - a business case would address many of the issues you discuss. Things like how much value an NBN would provide to business and other users. How much you'd prepared to spend to deliver that benefit, cash flows etc.

      Kev quotes productivity benefits but cannot quantify them - you need type of info to determine value.

      On the cost issue - the figures are about when the NBN becomes self-sufficient. Albo reckons (rolled gold) that the NBN will be self funding once net $37 billion has been spent (say $45b in costs and $ 8bn in revenues). The revenue projections are very rubbery (big take up rates, big customer monthly fees). Malcolm has applied more conservative estimates which is where his $94b figure comes from.

      The other big question is why a government should be building it when the market can do the same more efficiently. (for rural areas the government probably needs to step in).

      This hasn't your question on what the right cost is, but that is based on the estimated value of the NBN, which has never been modeled by the government.

      A paper napkin was the best they could offer (sorry, had to slip at least one sledge in). And Albo refuses release the latest business plan to the public, which might answer some of your queries.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:01PM
    • Well, projecting the earnings from the New Zealand Fibre to the Home plan, the range of earnings would be between A$6 Billion a year to around $15 Billion a year. The New Zealand study sets a payback time of 20 years. But the first 5 years there's a lot of set up costs, so the payback period should probably be set at 15 years.

      At 15 years, the earnings from the NBN would be between $90 Billion and $225 Billion, based on the New Zealand report.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:08PM
    • I disagree that you'll ever get those speeds out of wireless. And it will never get anywhere near the Petabytes per second transmission speeds that were achieved over fibre. Wireless also suffers from crowding (too many people using the connection), blocking (preventing transmission of the signal), noise (interference with the signal), latency (the delay when transmitting data is higher due to wireless handshake protocols) and security (all wireless signals are open for anyone with a computer to attack)

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:12PM
    • In the meanwhile, the 8 year delay waiting for the vapourware promised future wireless speeds will have an opportunity cost between A$48 Billion and $120 Billion dollars. That is how much the cost of not building the NBN will be to the Australian economy.

      The Liberal Party should be supporting this, not trying to shut it down. It's good for the economy. It's good for business. We are all beneficiaries when these good policies are implemented.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Most experts agree that an FTTP solution is the ideal way to go. We all know that technology is increasing rapidly and with that an increased need for bandwidth and speed - more importantly upload then download. The LNP's plan is fine for today and maybe the next 5 years, after that it will need to be extended to an FTTP solution which is what we are already installing. The cost of the current plan isn't much, $4b a year over ten years which will be repaid. Obviously we don't want this to blow out and I've yet to see anything specific as to where the figure of $90b+ comes from. Please remember than any wireless network rely's on a wired network to function efficiently so is not a solution in itself. What we need to be asking is;

      If the coalition is elected and decide to change the NBN,

      A. What is the cost involved in changing the project including renegotiating with Telstra and contractors etc?
      B. What is the cost of maintaining the copper network? And cost of building and maintaining nodes?
      C. What is estimated cost of moving from a FTTN to an FTTP solution at a later date? And timeline to complete this?

      I think you'll find that so long as costs now don't blow out it is far better for Australia to see the current plan through than alter it. The benefits for Australia are great but will be missed if we end up doing this half rate.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:27PM
    • Hacka,
      The market can't build the NBN.
      A private company would have issues with the ACCC to build such a thing.
      It required regulatory changes in order to get it going, which a private company would have great difficulty in doing
      It requires at least Telstra involved because of the infrastructure they own and so what other company is going to step in with the whale of telecommunications in Australia.
      what other private company would have the clout under the telecommunications act to over ride councils, etc in order to get the infrastructure in place.

      sorry but it's not even happening in the states like that. They have a mish-mash of private enterprise doing all sorts of things.

      Germany, France, UK & even NZ have the governments rolling out fibre to the home.

      Give us one example somewhere where private enterprise is rolling out an NBN-like project, just one.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:40PM
    • An example Econorat ? Any privately developed toll road. Like the NBN, it provides the medium to get things from A to B.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:52PM
    • @hacka how can you compare a national communications network over a country the size of Australia to a point to point toll road? The only way you could is if every road in Australia was built by private enterprise and then a toll was applied. Its a pretty simple minded argument.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Chippsy - you might want to let Econorat know as well, but right here in Australia we already have privately built telecomms infrastructure.

      You might have heard of Optus, or even Optus vision that laid a bunch of cable. Foxtel did the same. You might have even heard of a mob called Telstra. Amazingly these companies already build and maintain private networks.

      The thing about markets is that if there is demand, there is generally supply. It's also known as free enterprise.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:06PM
  • After all the kerfuffle over Abbott's comment in the seat of Lindsay yesterday, guess what, the betting agencies have now placed Fiona Scott outright favourite -

    Fiona Scott - $1.26
    David Bradbury - $3.50

    Bradbury holds this seat with only a 1.1% margin.

    No wonder all the Labor supporters were kicking up a fuss.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Also, the Coalition are now at $1.11 and Labor pushed out to $6.50.

      Coalition were at $1.13 yesterday.

      All good.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:55PM
  • "Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better (Ecc. 10:11)?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:22PM
  • When will Fairfax start asking Rudd about his attitudes towards women? He was thrown out of a strip club for indecent behaviour toward female staff. He made a female air hostess cry. He described Gillard as a 'childless, atheist, ex-communist'. C'mon Fairfax, where's the faux outrage??

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:04PM
    • And the Liberal's attitude?

      Forgotten the menu describing Julia Gillard's body on the menu for the Liberal fundraising dinner already have we?

      Mal Brough apologised for the menu, then later denied seeing the menu at all.

      Funny that.

      Or guest Alan Jones at the Young Liberals fundraiser bringing a chaff bag for auction?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:18PM
    • It doesn't work that way. Only conservatives are accountable. That said it was a surprise to see Rudd sack that guy from Hotham. I don't know what the full story was but I thought it a little rough labor cutting him for his actions over 10 years ago. As you said Rudd has a history just as impressive so why is he leader?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Thanks pseudomys - Bartos wasn't 100% clear on the role of the GG in the process.

      Let's hope we don't have to put it to the test. I'm pretty sure who would be the quickest to break the pledge they have both made.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:00PM
  • The snake does not have a fork tongue and rightly so, because the serpent is not a snake. Tony is quite safe as the biblical serpent is actually a man of high priesthood, which should be of some comfort to him.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 3:00PM
    • No government can call an election Hacka. The PM can "advise" the GG to do so, but the GG has the dreaded "reserve powers" and she may well call in TA and ask him what he thinks, and then talk to the PM again, etc. She can't order either of them to negotiate a coalition, but she can send them back to the Parliament and ask if they can
      "secure a majority".

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Denny,

      The Liberals have no trouble recycling failed Employment Minister Mal Brough.

      The Minister who paid Abbott's Job Network providers $900,000 despite their failure to place 720,000 people in paid employment.

      "Job Network guaranteed its money" (The Age 23 Aug 2003)

      "The Federal Government has been forced to guarantee its Job Network providers funding of $2.1 billion over three years - despite them not meeting their targets of finding jobs for 720,000 unemployed people."

      "Employment Services Minister Mal Brough said the funding had been guaranteed for the providers after some had told him they could not continue operating without it."

      "He said that although the target of finding 720,000 people jobs had not been met, Job Network providers had made 900,000 appointments for job seekers so far this year, and so would be paid for their efforts."

      "In one case a provider had made 180 appointments but only 22 unemployed people had showed up for the interviews."

      "He said the decision followed other problems experienced by the Job Network, including breakdowns in the automated referral system between Centrelink and the Job Network that had resulted in job seekers being sent to non-existent or inappropriate positions, he said."

      In the midst of all these Job Network problems, Abbott labelled the umemployed "job snobs" and "work shy".

      www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/22/1061529336778.html

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:57PM
  • The problem is the Greens are the only party advocating meaningful climate change. Labor has all but scrapped its climate change policies, and the Coalition don't have a climate change policy other than fantasy. This is in a climate of atmospheric Co2 expansion from 315 parts per million to 400 P.P.M. since 1958. Our Co2 levels will not stop at 400 ppm—barring a virtually impossible immediate turn away from fossil fuels, CO2 emissions will keep growing globally, and CO2 concentrations will keep rising and then elections will be pointless because the economy will be non-existent.

    The most sensible solution is to start building concentrated solar power stations with salt storage. Our reliance on wind turbines is absurd as they have annual capacity factors in Australia realising only 32% efficiencies. The only reasons we have them is they are cheap and government ignores capacity factors to achieve a farcical emissions target.

    If anyone does not understand concentrated solar technology type: Spain's Gemasolar Array, for a look at what has been in existence for over a decade overseas.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Pen, no doubt you are very passionate and even knowledgeable about climate science. Bravo.

      However there are two indisputable truths about Australian politics that mean that your detailed submissions on this subject advocating the Greens are a complete distraction.

      1. Climate change is a global problem, which needs ALL the countries of the world to work together to resolve, if they wish to do so. Australia, at 1.4% of the world's CO2 emissions could stop emitting completely today and our emissions would be replace by new emissions by other countries in less than three months. Anything we do therefore is pointless.

      2. When the Greens admit that Nuclear power is a viable, emissions free energy supply technology, they will be truly on the right track. Until they do, they are not being fair dinkom about all available options.

      No, the Greens in Australia are not truly interested in Green objectives. Their "progressive" agenda and their endorsement of the BDS are good examples of that.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Alternate View

      If you look at what other countries are doing for climate change improvement you would probably be ashamed at our shameful effort. I urge you to look at CSP in Spain and Arizona as an example.

      I agree that nuclear is probably the best answer, but it is cloaked by a shadow for the gullible.

      I am not advocating my voting choice, I intend not to vote at all, because of the way climate change is treated by the major parties.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Alternate View
      Australia, at 1.4% of the world's CO2 emissions....Anything we do therefore is pointless.
      That statement or nexus of ideas is illogical.

      Yes Australia doing something about their emissions does have a point. It gives us the ethics and morality to stand up in the international arena and get other nations to also do more.
      By us 'doing nothing', nothing will happen and we can't cajole others to do something.
      There is a flaw in your logic. You can't jump from one statement to prove the other.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Alternative View, there are now 3 research papers that consider the cost of moving to 100% renewables.

      They are:
      1) The AEMO report (AEMO is the Australian electricity industry wholesaler)
      2) The University of NSW report, which is peer reviewed
      3) The Zero Emissions report

      All three state that the cost to move to 100% renewables is absolutely achievable within 10 years and will be less than double the cost of the existing system.

      Therefore, we should never need to move to exceptionally dangerous nuclear. The are so dangerous that no insurance company in the world will insure a nuclear power plant.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:26PM
    • "2. When the Greens admit that Nuclear power is a viable, emissions free energy supply technology, they will be truly on the right track."

      Alternative View,

      Are you smart enough to work in a nuclear power plant?

      I know I'm not.

      Despite being an advanced economy, Japan, like Russia and Chernobyl, will still be paying the price of the Fukushima disaster for decades to come.

      We have no problems importing a high volume of semi-skilled cooks and hairdressers, but I think advanced nuclear physicists may be thin on the ground, they age and then they retire leaving the Homer Simpsons to tackle the long term byproducts - storing nuclear radioactive waster, for centuries to come, and nuclear meltdowns, we simply don't have the experience.

      And who wants to live beside 25+ nuclear reactors on the eastern seaboard?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:39PM
  • 2.11 caption

    "Hmm I'm not sure about the colour of this new rinse, it's a bit too noticeable. Kevin Andrews should approve though".

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Hacka - there is an article on Crikey about this from Stephen Bartos - from August 5

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:47PM
    • You can't force anyone to vote for anything.

      If no-one could guarantee supply then there would have to be a new election.

      The odds are very slim of a minority government, though. Probably there will only be Bob Katter as an independent. If the numbers were 75 ALP, 74 Coalition and Katter we might have a problem. If the numbers were 74 ALP, 75 Coalition and Katter I think you'd find Katter accepting the Speakership or else Abbott governing with Katter's support and saying it's totally not minority government because Katter used to be a Coalition MP.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:46PM
  • 2.11 Sign should be altered, "Do NO Harm".

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:45PM
    • Strange world - People need a cup of coffee from a professional Barista but want the country run by amatuers.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:43PM
  • I hope the Greens strike back by not giving their preferences to Labor. Find a deserving independent!

    Commenter
    Ash
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:41PM
    • They still have to either put Labor ahead of Liberal or Liberal ahead of Labor, the preference decision which actually counts. It's entirely normal for Greens to put friendly independents ahead of Labor even in the days when the ALP and Greens were on friendlier terms.

      Or they could choose not to direct, in which case their voters have to make that choice themselves (in fact, Greens voters very often don't exactly follow the Greens' how to vote anyway).

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Yes, all this talk about "directing preferences" is not right, no one can direct any preferences, how to vote handouts can only suggest how to follow the party line, but every voter is free to preference how they choose.
      The AEC should do far more to make voters aware of this power!!

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:15PM
    • I hope the greens follow the democrats into the political wilderness.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:20PM
  • Ha, ha, panel beaters don't beat any more, they use filla. Sounds like KRudd.

    Commenter
    Norm
    Location
    Maroubra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Now I am far from a Wyatt Roy Fan but I do find it interesting that people are always against "professional politicians" -What other job would it be seen as a plus not to be a professional?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:38PM
  • 2:11pm: This is crying out for a clever caption

    "Hang on! This doesn't taste like the back of a lady's head!"

    Commenter
    tim bob
    Location
    'bra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:34PM
  • All this talk of "not doing deals" is nonsense.

    The simple fact is that if neither major Party is able to form a majority on the floor of the House, then will have to negotiate and deal with minor Parties and independents. That is how the Westminster system of Government works.

    Commenter
    Riddley Walker
    Location
    Inland
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:33PM
    • no they don't have to....they can ask the GG to dissolve both houses of parliament and start again....another election and then another election and maybe another one until one side has a majority in the lower house.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Who are "they"? If you mean both the potential minority ALP and LNP then they couldn't ask the GG. The Government can ask the GG, but neither party would take up being Government ina minority situation if you believe them. The GG would have to act of their own volition. Nor, could they form a Coalition between themselves for risk of breaking their "promises".

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Of course, that is quite correct, JT. I didn't include it because, generally speaking, Australians hate double dissolutions. An elections costs a FORTUNE to run. Any leaders pushing for a rapid DD would be punished hard for it.

      Commenter
      Riddley Walker
      Location
      Inland
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:33PM
    • If neither government can govern in their own right, perhaps we'll have a new Coalition called the Labiral Party, a Coalition between Liberal and Labor. I mean, seriously, most commentators say that their policies are virtually the same anyway, right?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:45PM
  • Constitutional question - if both the Coalition and Labor have ruled out deals with the minor parties, then if neither gets 76 seats does that mean the government (Labor) can call another election to break the impasse ?

    Or else could the Governor-General force one of the parties to form a coalition government in a hung parliament ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:32PM
    • You can't force anyone to vote for anything.

      If no-one could guarantee supply then there would have to be a new election.

      The odds are very slim of a minority government, though. Probably there will only be Bob Katter as an independent. If the numbers were 75 ALP, 74 Coalition and Katter we might have a problem. If the numbers were 74 ALP, 75 Coalition and Katter I think you'd find Katter accepting the Speakership or else Abbott governing with Katter's support and saying it's totally not minority government because Katter used to be a Coalition MP.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Hacka - there is an article on Crikey about this from Stephen Bartos - from August 5

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:47PM
    • No government can call an election Hacka. The PM can "advise" the GG to do so, but the GG has the dreaded "reserve powers" and she may well call in TA and ask him what he thinks, and then talk to the PM again, etc. She can't order either of them to negotiate a coalition, but she can send them back to the Parliament and ask if they can
      "secure a majority".

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Thanks pseudomys - Bartos wasn't 100% clear on the role of the GG in the process.

      Let's hope we don't have to put it to the test. I'm pretty sure who would be the quickest to break the pledge they have both made.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:00PM
  • Every time I see Tony Abbott, I get an overwhelming sense to vote green...

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:30PM
    • At last a spark of sense.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:02PM
    • You are not alone.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:15PM
  • So Tony pretty much admits that Wyatt will never get a real job and will just live as a 'career' politician with all the perks. How nice....another reason for term limits!

    Commenter
    Jitterry
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:20PM
    • I am under the bizarre impression that an MP is only in office if he wins elections -otherwise he is out and follows an alternate career. So if Roy is doing a good job as an MP and the elctorate want him stay by voting him in, then good on him.

      Pretty much how democracy works.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:30PM
    • But your happy for labor to recycle peter beattie? How long has he been sucking on the public teet? Has he ever done anything else except leech off the public?

      Has anyone in labor ever held a real job? Other than a labor lawyer, labor staffer, union rep? Any real world jobs?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:32PM
  • Are you trying to tell me that Abbott WOULDNT do a deal with the Greens or Independents to form government?...Well that just proves Abbott couldnt care less about becoming PM...well good riddance to him.

    Commenter
    Abbott is GOOONE
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Yes, that is what he said.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Abbott told independent Tony Windsor he'd do anything but 'sell his arse' to become prime minister.

      Sadly, that did not extend to Abbott releasing his dodgy costings AFTER the last 2010 election.

      Now in 2013, and with 22 days to go, we've seen 0 out of 200 Abbott costings.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Its called integrity pal. Something that labor know nothing about. Their behaviour over the last 6 years proves that beyond any doubt.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:35PM
  • Did you see English boat immigrant Abbotts daughter CRINGE when he said it...CLASSIC SHOT!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:13PM
    • Steeden, your daily xenophobic comments directed at Abbott are becoming boring.

      Not sure any party would want you supporting them with comments like yours (perhaps except One Nation)

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:35PM
    • Were you on Julia Gillards staff? They had plenty of experience in stirring up racial tensions. You weren't hanging round parliament house on Australia day were you?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:50PM
    • Tim of Altona,

      You know as well as I do that that is a reference to Abbott and Scott Morrison constantly demonising asylum seekers as "illegal boat people" - them and us.

      Ever notice that compared to Tony Burke's sombre tone when talking about asylum seekers, how much Scott Morrison enjoys his job when talking about "stopping the boats" and "stopping illegals".

      Enjoying himself too much I think.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Denny,

      When it comes to stirring up resentment and hatred in the community, the Liberals have no equal.

      From John Howard and Peter Reith's false claim during the 1998 Tampa election about asylum seekers throwing their children overboard.

      To Howard/Costello deliberately misclassifying and overstating the amount they spent on indigenous Australians.

      To the 2007 election in the western Sydney electorate of Lindsay with the Liberals circulating fake flyers falsely claiming that the ALP were friends with terrorists and were planning more mosques, which Liberal Jackie Kelly laughed off as a "Chaser style prank".

      To more recently when former NSW State Liberal campaign manager and now MP, Scott Morrison told cabinet members that they should capitalise on anti-Muslim sentiment in the community to win votes.

      To 2013 and the unbranded Liberal flyers circulated in Bendigo, in the colours of the Aboriginal flag - black, red and yellow (not Liberal colours of blue and white) screaming "Labor's Illegal Boat Arrivals".

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:32PM
  • The facebook page of kids poking silly faces at Kevin Rudd whilst getting pictures taken now has over 200 photos. Has anybody told the Rudd camp he is being embarrassed even further! brilliant stuff by our younger generation.

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:08PM
  • I need help from the forum on the NBM - why do we need 1000 megabits per second download speeds in a household? Large business, health care etc yes I can get this.... but for a normal house? 1000 megabits per second is 125 megabytes of data downloaded per second or 7500 megabytes per minute. Can someone check my numbers if I am wrong!?
    To justify this "Albo" says Labor is helping year 7 kids for their future education, and pricing will be determined by the market and bring the cost down.
    A quick look at a plan currently offered on the NBM show 500 Gigabyte download per month @ $49.95 per month. This means then at the magical 1000 megabits per second our poor needy Year 7 student will (because he/she needs soooooo much download capacity) max out his monthly usage in only 67 minutes....!?
    Am I missing something or is Albo and Labor giving us fluff and feathers on what the theoretical capacity of fibre optic is compared to any sense of reality on what is needed? I know there is a requirement to future proof things, but come 10-15 years it will be 4th/5th/6th generation wireless and fibre optic will be obsolete anyway. Go to Europe and its all wireless now already.
    So my question is isnt 100 megabits per second good enough for the next 10 years? Thats a theoretical peak of 750 megabytes per minute.... How many television shows does our poor year 7 want to pirate and download anyway? Shouldnt they be studying?

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:08PM
    • Exactly.

      Shades of the BBC comedy, Yes Prime Minister: "Australians deserve the best".

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:26PM
    • The NBN is a project for the long term. It is undoubtedly providing more capacity than need this year. It is hopefully providing more speed and capacity than we need even in 10 years, although do not underestimate the inventiveness of people. Everyone in the past who has tried to say in regards to computers and computer networks "people won't need more speed/storage/capacity/power than this" has been proved horribly, horribly wrong.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:28PM
    • Take a look at the Cost benefits analysis done by the New Zealand government. It is available on the National Business Review (NZ) web site.

      Go to google and type in: "Building the benefits of broadband" and it will be the first pdf on the list.

      It goes into the benefits of the NBN in a lot of detail. It will give their economy financial benefits between A$1.06 and A$2.6 Billion per year.

      Australia, being a country with a population 6 times bigger should see a return 6 times higher.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Oh, and as anyone who tries to use wireless in a busy area at lunch time can tell you, the capacity is already problematic. You have NO idea how much traffic is on the cables (in Europe or here) if you think it's all on wireless or if you think there is capacity for even all the wired traffic to go wireless. Not to mention inside buildings. Not to mention that the top wireless speed isn't even close to the top speed of the NBN.

      Talk about the NBN being for kids pirating TV shows just shows ignorance about modern business, health and education's use of the internet.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Hey, can we use the Liberal Party's quote that we don't need the speed of fibre as one of the stupidest comments of all time in IT in future? You know, like the ones attributed to IBM, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:40PM
    • 1000 megabits/s will cost about $20,000 a month. So the top speed that labor push again and again and speak of how wonderful it will be, will cost $20000 a month.

      The way labor speak of its value in aged care you would think the NBN will do the dishes and mow the lawn. For $20K a month it would want to cook all your meals as well.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:43PM
    • @ Arky I agree 100% for businesses, health, education etc, but for a house?

      My question is to cost of NBM versus wireless and I note the below and ask why are we looking at cable when 5G wireless is already around? Look at the specs they are talking about.

      "On 12 May 2013, Samsung Electronics stated that they have developed the world's first "5G" wireless system. The core technology has a maximum speed of tens of Gbps (gigabits per second). In testing, the transfer speeds for the “5G” network sent data at 1.056 Gbps to a distance of up to 2 kilometers

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Michael: samsung inventing a 5G standard doesn't mean it's ready to go live any time soon.

      Even if it was, it doesn't change the capacity of the wireless spectrum, which is the real limiting factor. It's bad enough now, but would be impossible if you shifted a significant percentage of the current "wired" traffic over to wireless. Wireless connectivity is also not nearly as reliable as wired connections. Wireless cannot replace the NBN.

      As for what use homes will make of the NBN- we'll see. It's easy to see how "smart home" concepts will start to become more than science fiction, how television will start to be replaced wholesale by internet services- Rupert's problem- and things like that, but if we already knew what new things people will come up with in the future they wouldn't be the future, they'd be the present.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Then Arky Business, Health and Education should pay for it directly, not us. I will note I am completely peed off with the state of Telstra's copper throwing my humble ADSL out regularly and making conversations crackley. But I will note also that I don't want to pay any more than the $19.95/month I pay now to have email, online banking and the occasional internet search.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:09PM
    • @ Arky Ok again I agree in principle with what you are saying except two key points. India is doing 5th Gen wireless now instead of installing hard line connections - they are starting from a much inferior infrastructure position to us and have elected to bypass fibre optic and go straight to wireless.

      5th Gen as a standard is considered to be live by 2020 which would be more than sufficient for the household.

      Yes go fibre optic to business / hospitals etc but I just cant see it being needed for houses.

      And my earlier comment on downloading tv is based on research that Australians are the most prolific downloaders of pirated television in the world. We really on want these sort of speeds to get faster downloads. In this sense then Telstras Cable is more than sufficient for years to come.

      Commenter
      michael of melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:22PM
    • That is absolute and utter rubbish about wireless. Wireless can never ever ever obtain anywhere near the speeds of fibre. It would defy the laws of physics. It certainly cannot cope with the volume of people you are expecting to use wireless.

      There are also latency (handshake delays) and blocking problems with wireless.

      Take a look at the New Zealand Fibre to the Home study. After reading that, you should come to the conclusion that it is a no-brainer to go with fibre.

      Up to A$12 billion a year can be earnt with an optimal fibre to the home network.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:04PM
    • Denny, Malcolm Turnbull's $20,000 figure was based on how much a 1Gbps connection cost 20 years ago and over copper wires. I believe Malcolm Turnbull was being deliberately deceitful.

      In the USA, a 100Mbps connection costs US$45, whereas a 1 Gbps connection costs US$80. The prices are reasonably proportional. Economies of scale will ensure those costs in Australia.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Tony's Problem with the alphabet S, you and Tony and Tristan should get off your backsides get out of the union offices and see if you can negotiate a better deal for the workers at Holden. I wonder whether the union official we saw on TV last night is going to take a cut in pay and conditions.
    It looks like the days of the union are over, just not smart enough really.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Thepres,

      You are so paranoid.

      How many times do I have to tell you I have never been a union member?

      And do try to keep up.

      Your little rant ignored the fact that Holden workers, unlike the CEOs that sack workers, outsource and offshore thousands of jobs, have accepted a 3 year wage freeze and changes in shfits.

      You don't see a similar level of restraint when it comes to employer union bosses awarding themselves generous bonuses and increases each and every year regardless of the performance of their business and the economy.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:20PM
    • Tristan, Rudd and Wong tell us that our economy is in fine shape and we will be back in surplus by 2017. In the meantime the Holden workers have accepted a freeze on wages and conditions, when was the last time this happened?. My guess would be either during the Great Depression or in the Whitlam era.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:43PM
    • Your guess?

      Forgotten about SPC workers already have you?

      And when's the last time the fat cats on the boards of the largest companies that have sacked tens of thousands of workers, outsourced and offshored their jobs, failed to pay dividends, and presided over a plummeting share price decided against increases to remuneration, frozen their salaries for 3 years and taken a paycut?

      Never.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:06PM
    • Your guess
      Well that should be an incentive to get off your backside and get a proper job.
      Perhaps open your own small business or get on the Board of a large company.
      Do you know how to have a small business under a Labor government?, start with a large one.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:18PM
    • In the Whitlam era Leyland Australia went broke and more or less departed.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Thepres,

      How hypocritical.

      You slag off the little guys who have taken a pay freeze for the next 3 years and shorter shifts, while rewarding the fat cats who have sacked employees, outsourced and offshored jobs, presided over plummeting share prices and no dividends.

      You know how to be an unethical small business owner?

      Vote for an Abbott government to revert back to Workchoices style conditions.

      That's how bad bosses prosper.

      That's the Liberal way.

      "If we're honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little like a bad father or a bad husband," Mr Abbott said. "Notwithstanding all of his faults you find he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he's employing someone ..."

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:57PM
  • @ 1.54 Christopher Pyne never need fear being described as having 'sex appeal'

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 1:57PM
    • That's a bit of an offensive and sexist comment isn't it ? Quick call the PC brigade

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:04PM
  • Why all the emphasis on photos of Abbott and his daughters in this column. When will SMH photographers change so we get some balance.
    Has Murdoch taken over this column or just the allocation of photos
    Too biased for a neutral newspaper.

    Commenter
    worker in melb
    Location
    mel
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Surely you're joking?

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Please do not tell me that you do not believe big business is controlling this election?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Heavan forbid the voting public gain the impression that Tony Abbott is a normal family man and a loving father?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Tim, "normal" thanks I've now had my laugh for the arvo.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:39PM
  • If only the girls in the back ground at the netball club were aware that both "Abbott" and "Wyatt Roy" stood in front of Parliament house with the Ditch the Witch and Bob Browns Bitch signs. They suddenly have respect for women. They had no respect for Gillard. Reporters say and ask nothing.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    InnerCity
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 1:28PM
    • Tim, in your mind you have Abbott and Roy (not sure he was even there)holding the signs. That rally was an anti-Gillard rally out the front of Parliament House. Abbott spoke and people held up signs in the background behind him.
      He was not aware they were there and later stated he thought they were inappropriate.

      Never let facts get in the way of a wildly inaccurate rant.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:46PM
    • If only those girls in the background realised how little respect Kevin Rudd had for Julia Gillard.

      Then they would probably understand why she isn't Prime Minister anymore.

      How's that for the truth inner city Tim.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:50PM
    • Tim , Altona. Gee blind servitude to a political leader has limits doesn't it? You actuallty believe that he didn't see the great big signs all over the place prior to mounting the stage or next to him during his scaremongering speech? Really? Maybe they were invisible like carbon, like his costings, like all the steelworks shutting down and the FBT changes targeting all the charity workers out there. Fact: he stood there with his eyes open and fully aware of the bile and outright disdain those gutter dwellers were peddling and he did it with a smile on his face and when called on it later gave an incredibly disingenuous reply without slamming them outright as a future wannabe leader should have.

      Commenter
      Eyes Wide Open
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Selective memory have we? Do you remember the Steve Gibbons insult in November 2012 directed at Julie Bishop? Or is that okay?

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Tony Abbott had so little respect for his Shadow Foreign Minister Julie Bishop that the media found out before she did that Abbott planned to cut about $400 million from foreign aid to Indonesia, and falsely told the media it was Bishop's idea.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Tim
      Oh Tim... seriously. Do you listen to the Coodabeens on ABC774 Sat mornings?
      You remind me of the caller 'Nigel from North Fitzroy', except he sounds a lot nicer. Nigel is on a planet of political correctness that almost knows no bounds, and has little self awareness of his position.

      Abbott does have respect for women, it's just that he really fluffed it yesterday with a thoughtless remark.
      The people at the Rally you mention mooved so that Abbott was in front of the offensive placards.
      Take off your caffe latte- Melbourne Writers Festival-smeared glasses.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:05PM
    • @ Eyes Wide Open: Nothing like some good old blind servitude - but in your case, to the ALP and its fellow travellers.

      Let's see: 2004, Latham insulting Janet Albrechtsen. 2008, Belinda neal insulting Sophie Mirabella and her unborn child. 2012, Steve Gibbons insulting Julie Bishop.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Rudd abuses women who he thinks are below him. Flight Attendants, junior staff, waitress's. Is it any wonder all his colleagues hate him so much.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:16PM
    • "....FBT changes targeting all the charity workers out there."

      Eyes Wide Open,

      No, I'm not going to fall for the spin of the Australian Salary Packaging Industry Association (ASPIA) tv ads and paranoid whosnext.com.au website.

      That FBT loophole also benefits lots of highly paid executives on 6 and 7 figure salaries - nice angle on charity workers though.

      A logbook kept for 12 weeks over 5 years to record mileage for actual business use.

      Truckies record their mileage in a logbook on a daily basis.

      It's not that hard.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:26PM
    • Tim (not from Altona): and the relevance of those people is what? Are they putting their hand up to be the next PM? Youy Noalition supporters remind me of young earth creationists...never mind that the evidence isn't there or incorrect we will just change the rules so it fits.

      Tristan: I am actually a 'charity worker' and applaud the closing of the loophole as that FBT category is there for people like me and not those that purchase a new car and never use it the way the legislation expectsm to, in other words they are ripping off the taxpayer. But according to TA et al that is ok because if he agreed that's one less scare campaign. He would like to make it an issue about the car industry and not one about stopping cheats and criminals getting away with FBT...if you believe that then you believe Whyalla is a ghost town now because of the MRRT. Fact check that 80K statement someone please because its an out and out lie.

      Commenter
      Eyes Wide Open
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:52PM
    • So Tristan are you saying that the changes to FBT are not going to hurt the people who work for charities? Really?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Denny,

      I say that changes to FBT will hurt the salary packaging industry which makes their money by exploiting tax loopholes.

      I say that people should claim tax deductions for actual business mileage, not be subsidised for personal use.

      You don't see people being reimbursed for using public transport when it's got nothing to do with work.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:27PM
  • So now he's hugging men, trying to kiss them and tell them they're sexy will be next. Is this the "I'm not homophobic Tony look"?
    Pic of the day though goes to Alex's
    "headless chook look".

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 1:23PM
    • So since when is it in inappropriate for a man to hug another man?

      Where has Abbott been attempting to kiss another man?

      I think you're getting a bit carried away with your ant-Abbott rants.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Apparently not, today he said he wouldn't change his mind on same sex marriage based on it being a fashionable issue of the day.

      Commenter
      Big Tone
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Tim of Altone, comphrehension fail.
      I said will be next.
      I couldn't careless but it's a "personable" look he's trying to promote. All touchy, feely.
      How many kissy pics are we seeing. Don't see too many others taking the same approach.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Has rudd abused anyone today? has he still got his cheat notes with him. What do you think ACG, is rudd a cheat or does he have no attention to detail?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Denny I'm no Rudd fan but he's extremely preferable over zealot Abbott.
      Besides did you complain about Abbotts notes whilst debating Julia Gillard.
      Fact is Rudd did not make it appear as though there were no notes.
      Give me Julia Gillard any day.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:27PM
    • Abbott didn't need notes because he just regurgitated catchphrases, uncosted aspirations and slogans from "Our Plan : Real Solutions".

      I can do it without notes too.

      Stop the boats
      Stronger economy
      More jobs, higher wages,
      Axe the tax
      Cut green tape
      Cut red tape
      Cut the waste

      See?

      But it's very painful reading "Our Plan : Real Solutions".

      That's why Sydney's Greenaway candidate Jaymes Diaz made a quick getaway yesterday when he was given the chance to redeem himself and provide the 6 points for his 6 point plan for stopping the boats.

      So far he's managed to count up to 1.

      1. Stopping the boats by stopping the boats when it's safe to do so.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:38PM
    • I think Tim's getting on the defensive today...

      Commenter
      tim bob
      Location
      'bra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Just the type of 12 yr old response I would expect from you ACG. What ever happened 3 years ago with Abbott was immaterial. If he did cheat then no doubt you and all the other progressives would have cried blue murder. You didn't and that is proof enough. But lets talk about Rudd. Is he a cheat or has he no attention to detail?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:57PM
    • Denny just the response I expected from a 10 year old boy.
      The bottom (very fashionable area with Abbott) line is they have both used notes.
      Whether it was last week, last year or a decade ago is relevant. Call it what you like, notes or no notes it was a pathetic debate.
      Julia would have given him a run for his money, as we were privileged to see in QT.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:24PM
    • The funny thing is that Abbott tells us to judge him on his record.

      And when you do remind people how Abbott presided over widespread rorting and billion dollar budget blowouts in all of his portfolios, Liberal supporters tell you you're not allowed to talk about it.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:35PM
  • So Abbot said sex appeal... so what!

    And a huge storm in a tea cup. Its just Labor desperate to make something of nothing because they cant campaign on their own performance over the last three years.
    See what former sex discrimination commissioner and now Labor minister has to say (and her common sense)
    "New South Wales Family and Community Services Minister Pru Goward, who is also a former sex discrimination commissioner, has told Macquarie Radio she sees nothing wrong with drawing attention to a candidate's sex appeal.
    "I think a lot of politicians are described as sexy," she said.
    "I mean, I didn't think Bob Hawke or Paul Keating were particularly sexy.
    "I liked them but I didn't think... their sex appeal was often said.
    "I think it's not unsurprising that people who want to take on leadership positions have a bit of pizzazz... a bit of charisma."

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 1:01PM
    • Michael, Goward is right. We are only talking about this because Labor and their supporters are desperately trying to pin everything and anything, no matter how confected, on Abbott to discredit him - given a little help along the way with some sections of the media.

      Interesting that Rudd's crashing of the 18 yr old girls birthday party in Townsville last night and his associated comments have not been discussed today. They would have been headlines if it was Abbott.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Ummm PG is a labor minister is she? Damn Im in the wrong dimension.

      Commenter
      Connected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:17PM
    • It's a bit sad for the people in the seat of Lindsay (western Sydney) when all the Liberal candidate, Fiona Norman, has to offer is the fact she is "young, feisty and has sex appeal".

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:18PM
    • I agree. The suppository comment was far funnier.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:25PM
    • It feeds the frenzy of the raging, did you expect anything else?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:34PM
    • Goward's a liberal stooge who looked super stupid when she had to answer reasonable questions about her ministerial responsibilities. Her past as SDC is irrelevant. What does Broderick think?

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Michael
      Goward wouldn't be biased would she?
      The fact is that if we want to change attitudes towards women in the workplace we have to change the language we use to talk about them.
      No amount of deflection will change that fact.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:15PM
  • Professor Brian Schmidt claims on climate change:

    "Everything we do always has uncertainties. But on the policy side, I think it's really important for the politicians and the policymakers to look what the scientists come up as a consensus. So, I offer up the Australian Academy of Science, who's gone through and tried to summarise where we are in the climate change science debate, and I think that's a very good document that the Academy of Science has put out. I think the politicians and policymakers need to reflect on that and make sensible policy based on that."

    And the politicians give us stupidities?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:59PM
    • You should address this to the leaders of China and India also.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:00PM
  • Curious little element from Fairfax - Politfact checker seems to be "cherry picking" what is assesses, picking only mostly true and true from Labor to publish and mostly false and false from Liberal.

    And ignoring negatives to Labor and positive to the Libs.

    I note this is not all checked facts just the majority. I smell a something tricky trying to offset the bias of the News Ltd?

    Can someone do a fact check on Anthony Albanese and Turnball on facts they stated on the NBM debate?

    Commenter
    michael of melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:47PM
    • Yeah, I'd like to check Malcolm Turnbull's $20,000 a month for 1Gb speed package on NBN given that the wholesale price is $150 a month. Where did that one come from?

      Commenter
      Peeb
      Location
      Vic
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:20PM
    • I think Malcolm Turnbull took the outrageously huge $20,000 figure for 1 Gbps speeds on the NBN from how much it cost when he was at Ozemail 20 years ago.

      If you look at how much it costs in the US for 1Gbps it is around US$80 compared to US$45 for 100Mbps.

      So ToneFactChecker gives this one a resounding FALSE.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:23PM
    • The bias of news ltd is no greater than that of the ABC and Fairfax. The difference is that on the ABC I am paying for their bias against my beliefs.

      Look at the way the media handled Rudd's cheating. Had it been Abbott they would have been crying blue murder, but rudd gets a pass. It was like Gillard and the Australia day riot. She never had to answer any hard questions, all brushed under the carpet.

      Contrast to the attacks on Abbott for saying a candidate had sex appeal. It's a joke.

      Good thing is that it doesn't matter because Abbott and the Coalition are going to win.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:23PM
    • And today's Fact check says Andrew Robb's claim of unemployment heading towards 800,000 is mostly true.
      There goes your conspiracy theory.
      Both sides are stretching the truth but just maybe your side is stretching it a bit more therefore a bit more scrutiny is needed. Costings anyone?

      Commenter
      Mark C
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Denny, the cheating actually scores an "irrelevant" on the ToneFactChecker.

      Anyhow, here's an obviously biased article from the ABC comparing the NBN policies between the two parties. Feel free to try to discredit any of the points made.
      http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Sorry, that link didn't render well. To get to the abc article, go to google and type in "The vast differences between the NBN and the Coalition's alternative" and it should be top article.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:45PM
    • New Zealand, by the way, has agreed to do Fibre to the Home. Their NBN is based on our NBN. They have a cost benefits analysis that shows that Fibre to the Home will pay for itself.

      The New Zealand cost benefits document is available on the National Business Review (NZ) web site. In google type "Building the benefits of broadband" and it should be the top pdf.

      It's subtitle says: "How New Zealand can increase the social & economic impacts of high-speed broadband"

      So even our poorer neighbor is doing it.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Tone, I completely understand. Why would a little thing like integrity have any relevance to a progressive.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:16PM
    • I think we will get the Soccer World Cup Final in Melbourne before Labour put in the fibre here in Melbourne.

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:55PM
    • Tone if it's the Nick Ross article (near book) I'm thinking it is, it will be all too much for some to comprehend. Least it'll keep them busy for sometime.
      Excellent analysis of the options.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:07PM
  • Perhaps FactChecker could test Rudd's claims that:

    1. The Coalition plan to change the GST
    2. Abbott is "unfit for office"
    3. The Coalition have a $70 billion budget black hole

    (how can anyone claim a black hole at the same time as they demand costings to be released ?)

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:46PM
    • I don't need Politifact to rate Abbott's and Hockey's claim they will release their 200 costings (lodged with the PBO) 2 days before the election by 5 Sep 2013 ("in good time") as "Pants on Fire".

      They wont even release 5% (10 costings) within the next 22 days, much less 200 costings.

      To avoid being labelled as lying rodents, Abbott and Hockey need to release an average 10 costings per day, each and every day for the next 22 days to fully disclose their 200 costings.

      And we all know that's never going to happen.

      Lying rodents?
      Politifact rates this 100% true.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:14PM
    • They have checked the Liberal Party's $70 Billion Black Hole and found that it was actually a $50 Billion Black Hole. That's not to say they are right, of course, because it could still be a $70 Billion Dollar Black Hole. They failed Labor on that one because the Liberal Party Policy Black Hole was only $50 Billion. Only $50 Billion. Still a massive amount of money in my book.

      They also did a check on whether or not the GST could be changed by Abbott. They found he could do it without the States permission. So they gave that one a resounding YES.

      As for whether Abbott is unfit for office, well, given how much ice cream and cake he's had in the last few days, his fitness might be on the way out, but he's probably still physically fit.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Tone - if the Coalition haven't released their revenues and costings, how can anyone claim there's a black hole in them ?

      Tristan - your command of the processes involved suggests you might be new to this stuff.

      By the way didn't FactChecker rate Wong's $70 billion black hole claim as "pants on fire" ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:29PM
    • They did check the 70 billion black hole which they proclaimed as false. Labor were out by about 20 billion.
      It's only a 40 to 50 billion black hole!
      Makes me sleep so much better knowing Joe's got it all together:)

      Commenter
      Mark C
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:30PM
    • Well his policy on climate change alone makes him unfair for office. As for the other two I believe FactChecker has done the job with findings of not proven.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Mark
      Just wondering if you can explain how Labor got their figures wrong by a mere $30 Billion in the space of just ten weeks? Now, that's a real worry.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:45PM
    • I'd love to Fact Check Albo's claim that the NBN will be delivered on time and on budget ($37 billion).

      After which, Labor might need to find a new way to deliver it.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:46PM
    • The four budgets delivered in part by Penny Wong have missed their mark by an astonishing $106 billion.

      Now that, is a black hole.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Hacka,

      So when will the Coalition release their 200 independently audited costings by the PBO to the electorate?

      And don't tell me "in good time".

      Perhaps dumping 200 policy costings on the electorate in one day, 2 days before the election, 5 Sep 2013, or most likely not revealing them at all, is Abbott's idea of "in good time."

      You know and I know that they will withhold at least 90% of their costings from the electorate, especially the most politically damaging ones relating to tax hikes, spending cuts, outsourcing, industrial relations, and public asset sales.

      That's why Abbott's started with a feelgood money giveaway policy - goldplated parental leave scheme.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Why is no-one talking about the ALP's nearly $300 billion black hole - i.e. the state of the nation's finances since they came to power?

      The worst thing is that it is real, not imagined.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Tristan - you won't get 200 PBO costings, what you'll get is a summary.

      What people (rightly) want to know is the Coalition's headline revenue and expenditure numbers, after which they want breakdowns of the various portfolios and programs.

      We've waited six years for Labor to get a forecast right. Most of us have given up on that one. I'm pretty sure waiting a few more days for Coalition numbers will be time well spent.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Hey Hacka, according to the New Zealand National Broadband Network, their Fibre to the Home rollout is going to bring in between NZ$1.2 Billion Dollars and NZ$3 Billion Dollars per year. In Aussie terms, that's about A$1.05 Billion Dollars per annum to A$2.6 Billion Dollars per annum. We have a bigger market, so our figures are likely to be much higher.

      You might need to factor in that there is likely to be a lot of extra benefits in the Labor NBN.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Tone - does that mean the Kiwis were smart enough to do a cost benefit analysis ?

      Our NBN may be able to make similar claims, but as Conroy never did the prep work, well we just don't know.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Let's not beat around the bush. The only reason, and I mean the only reason, that Treasurer Bowen and Finance Minister Wong, announce their "budget update" last week, was because they knew that the official Treasury numbers would catch them out this week. So they got in first with the bad news, and are now trying to claim the high moral ground, with Rudd saying that they have already released "their costings". Labor are a joke and they are trying to con the Australian electorate.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:00PM
  • By the look of that photo you have there at 12:16....it looks as if we have a full scale battle plan strategy going on to stop the invading army.....rather than a few non existent? refugees coming across in a tinnie.....

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Well he did refer to himself as The Captain this morning. Captain rather than Commander. Ruddock in the pic brings back memories and not good ones.A terrorist or two swimming across no doubt.
      He also said he'd "carry the can"- in reference to the suppository remark?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:36PM
    • My god it's another national emergency up North! 10 people last year and ten so far this year. we are being over run by them!!! Where is my 3 star General when I need one.

      Commenter
      Mark C
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:34PM
    • Remember, it was QLD which took over PNG in 1914 (from the half dozen Germans that were there), AUS was incapable.

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:38PM
  • So Abbott has caught up with Pen's thinking on people smugglers transferring to the Torres Strait? Pity that he and Rudd didn't spot the glaringly obvious.

    Like on 25/7/2013 I wrote:

    “PNG is only 150 kilometres from Cape York across the Torres Strait with many islands for stop overs in between. These people smugglers will be setting up business in the Torres Strait as fast as the refugees are released into PNG society.”

    Now Abbott is finger pointing to how smart he is, oh dear, oh dear.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:24PM
    • pen, don't flatter yourself.....Newman came up with that bit of propaganda long before you, I'm sure.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:42PM
    • pen .....in fact July 21 Courier Mail...was Newman's first propaganda piece on this.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Good for Newman, it is pity that no one listened to him either.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:14PM
    • By the way, what you determine propaganda is now a matter of fact,

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:30PM
  • Judging by yet another daily serve of mindless idiocies the best one can hope for is another hung parliament? I despair for Australian democracy I really do.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Don't worry. There won't be a hung parliament after Sept 7.

      KRudd will make sure of that!

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:33PM
  • If the ALP start to get too Politically correct it will cost them votes, particularly in Western Sydney, where of course many Inner City ALP supporters think we are all sexist bogans. Insult us at your peril.

    Commenter
    Billnix
    Location
    Western Sydney
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:15PM
    • Who is one with screaming prejudices here...

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:21PM
  • The Coalition should preference the Palmer United Party candidate ahead of Labor in Grayndler - why make it easy for Albanese to sneak back in?

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:08PM
    • Tim, get with the program. On the principle of avoiding a hung parliament, the Liberals are not going to preference ANY of the minor parties ahead of the ALP!

      Oh. Sorry. I must have misheard Phony T. Apparently, it is only the minor parties and candidates that would not support Tony and Wozza.

      I wonder who gets the higher preference in Denison. Andrew Wilkie or Labor. I bet it's Andrew.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Tim, preferences flow according to how the voter marks their ballot paper. Are you suggesting that if you vote 1 Coalition then the Coalition can then direct that vote as it pleases if it is not involved in the 2PP race or that the Coalition is actually voting on behalf of constituents?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:22PM
    • Tim - have you seen the Greens candidate interviewed ? Your point is fair, but i'd be backing Captain Gigabitz Albo before the Green.

      Did you get a chance to watch Malcolm take on Albo on Lateline on Monday ? It was hilarious.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:23PM
    • Now explain what Palmer's climate change policy is?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:25PM
    • I saw it Hacka. I believe Malcolm Turnbull won the night, but I still think Labor have the better NBN policy.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:27PM
    • Tom - Labor definitely have a technically better NBN product, but it's too expensive. I'd like a three lane highway from home to work too but Australia should have bigger priorities than to build it for me.

      Albo struggled badly on Monday night with both the technical and costing issues.

      Before Labor demand Coalition costings on anything they should be making public the latest NBN business plan. Seems like they're hiding something.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:31PM
    • Labor's NBN product is the Rolls Royce model and is superior to the Coaltion's Audi but is fraught with problems, years if not decades of delay and substantial cost blowouts. Turnbull's alternative is tailored to what the country can afford and means more people get to the faster speeds sooner and at less cost.

      Albo is not across his brief properly and it showed. Turnbull was leaps and bounds ahead in the debate.

      Where's the report Albo? We'll never see it this side of Sept 07 that's for sure.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Tim- "fraught with problems?" Pull the other one. i'm sorry did you expect something this size not to have problems? What lala land di you live in? The NBN is going to plan pretty much and your 'belief' that the time will blow out by decades is just unadulterated lies. Of course you and your limited News Party mates have to spin it this way when you have an inferior product which by Turnbulls own admission will need upgrading down the track and at what cost? Maybe you should talk to some of the Nats electorate and ask them which one they would prefer. Any way you slice it the 'fraudband' is just that, a fraud and economically irresponsible for any potential government that professes to be forward thinking.

      Commenter
      Connected
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:14PM
    • The Liberal Party NBN doesn't include fibre to the home, it uses copper. One of the major purposes of the NBN was to replace the seriously degrading copper wires. Instead, the Liberals have decided to maintain the copper wires. To do that will cost $1 billion dollars a year. Eventually someone will need to finish the Liberal party's shoddy job and provide the fibre to the home. This will be another humongous NBN sized project that will cost just as much, when they could have just spent the money up front and done the job properly.

      The Liberal Party are spending 2/3rds of the cost of the Labor Party NBN but getting 1/40th of the speed. Due to the maintenance of the copper wires, they will have spent the same as Labor within 10 years, but we will have their rubbish NBN instead.

      Then there's the further cost of completing the fibre node to the home, which they will have to spend later. So technically, the Liberal Party will spend more money than Labor, but will end up with ADSL2+ speeds.

      And they call themselves economic managers? They might be building an audi network, but they're actually spending an audi price and getting a holden engine.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Fairfax revealed that many of the minor parties - including the strangely and stupidly named Pirate Party, had candidates with an IT background.

      If the candidates of these parties cared about their livelihoods, they'd preference Abbott last, for his stance on loosening regulation for 457 visas which are widely rorted, used extensively by IT offshoring firms such as TCS, Wipro, Satyam and Infosys to displace Australian workers, and because of Abbott's understanding with tech firms that the rate of tech offshoring will accelerate under his government.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:45PM
  • Here's a question - who is Warren Truss?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:08PM
    • He's an invisible gNat, who isn't very happy with his big brothers the Libs. Because they are cheating rural Australians with a dud "copper cans and string" communications plan. And are also running candidates in opposition in some long held prized gNat seats.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:22PM
    • and you vote?

      Commenter
      Chris
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:24PM
    • @Chris - not for a party whose Coalition partner is too embarrassed to put in the spotlight!

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:43PM
    • Warren Truss is the Nationals leader who said on the ABC Insiders program 2 Jun 2013 :

      "...yes, they should make a reasonable effort to obtain an Australian for the job first."

      "So any employer would naturally prefer to have an Australian if they can get them. So they should seek out the Australian market to get an employee if they can."

      "But if they can't then it ought to be as easy as possible to bring in a 457 visa from outside the country. But we all agree Australians first, if Australians are available."

      www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3772641.htm

      Despite his stated commitment to Australian jobs on the program, Warren Truss, the Liberals and the Nationals later voted against the ALP's amendments to strengthen the integrity of the 457 visa system, including labour market testing and requiring employers and employment agencies to advertise jobs locally.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:55PM
  • Someone needs to tell Milne to get over it, if nobody inivites you to the party thats just the way it is.

    Maybe its time for another group hug.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:07PM
    • But does it further democracy? NO!

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:09PM
    • I don't get your drift Pen, once you've voted the democracy part is pretty much over until the next election.

      Unless you've got 'influence' of course.

      Perhaps you're confusing it with politics.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:27PM
    • @pen - that is democracy!!! Parties can choose who they align with or who they do not wish to align with. Get with the program

      Commenter
      Brow
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:30PM
    • So excluding the opinion of the nation's third largest party in debate furthers democracy does it?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:44PM
    • What 'debate' are you talking about Pen, Christine can hold as many as she likes, too bad if nobody else turns up for it.

      There is nothing in the constitution about holding election debates on TV, its purely at the convenience of those who agree to hold one.

      I wouldn't give her that kind of free publicity I've were either Rudd or Abbott.

      They're all political enemies Pen, thats the reality.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:05PM
    • The Greens are at best 10% of the vote and quite likely to be declining due to their focus more on "Social Issues" than actual environmental issues. There is a reason that they are sometimes called the Watermelons.

      Being excluded from the national debate is often their choice also... they don't allow scrutiny of their party conferences and they especially react badly when people challenge them on their economic policies.

      Hence, they are either a "feel good" vote which has no substance or in some contests, a de-facto ALP vote.

      The suggestion that the Greens would ever enter into an agreement with the LNP is laughable.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:05PM
    • SteveH

      Now reflect on US debating principles? How you can defend marginalising Australian democracy by supporting the exclusion of Greens in last Sunday's debate begs belief.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:21PM
    • In my opinion these debates are generally the equivalent of personality beauty pagents, which can go almost randomly either way on the night.

      No wonder the yanks love them.

      My idea of quantifying democracy is in how much influence the citizen has on the decision making process.

      Watching the antics of professional politicians for hour on the telly every election is pretty much irrelevant from that point of view.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:37PM
  • First Stephanie calls out the ALP for not making more of the "sex appeal" comment and implies their previous attacks on Abbott's sexism were bogus, then makes a pot-kettle about Rudd calling out Abbott's scare campaigns... didn't see any comments about Abbott's hypocrisy complaining about Rudd's scare campaign, Stephanie! Not exactly equal treatment in this blog.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Yes, I do wonder if Stephanie has ever described any of Abbott's henny penny moments as 'scare campaigns'. God knows her colleagues have been happy to report this stuff from Abbott for three years straight with straight faces.

      Did they really believe the homeless citizens of Whyalla would be shelling out $100 for a lamb roast on JUly 2 last year, as Abbott would have it?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:13PM
  • I'm wondering what costings are everyone waiting for. The policies already annonced by the Coalition have already had their costings and savings announced? Joe Hockey went through all the savings and costings for their policies they have announced this morning on ABC.
    The lefty's don't seem to want to hear. Abbott says the GST will not be increased and then the lefty's say Abbott is going to increase the GST. ???
    As Hockey said, further costings and savings will not be released until further policies are released during the campaign.

    Commenter
    GB
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:50AM
    • We're more interested in how they are going to pay for it GB. They've got an independently calculated $50 Billion dollar black hole in their costings that still needs to be addressed. What are they going to cut? Or are they going to call it a dire emergency and tell us that they have to increase GST anyway - after the election.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Hockey has not announced the "savings" that will fund all the Coalition's policy announcements.

      If he had the Coalition would trumpet it from the rooftops.

      Abbott tried to claim the "savings" he identified in May covered everything, but that's simply not true- see also the $50 billion hole identified by Politifact- and you'll notice he's stopped trying to claim that. He didn't say it in the debate, for example. He just says they'll announce it later.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:04PM
    • Arky so what savings in May that Abbott announced doesn't cover what policies? How do you know they don't? Explain pls.
      5 mins ago Labor were saying Abbott doesn't even have any policies? And Labor are also saying the black hole is 70 billion still. They also say Abbott is going to increased the GST.

      Commenter
      Frank
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:22PM
    • Tone

      Here you go again: if the lie does not work first time the keep on repeating it?

      Fact: "Frustrated by the Coalition's reluctance to release a thorough costing of its election promises to date Labor has come up with one of its own.

      Conveniently it totals $70 billion, which is a figure the Coalition itself has tossed around in the past.

      But some $20 billion of it shouldn't be there, and billions more are the result of guesses, not all of which will turn out to be right.

      Politifact rates the statement "false"'.

      Come on, Tone you have been aware of this fact for a week now, all you are doing is proving that your word cannot be trusted?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:40PM
    • Yes Pen, the Labor Party's calculation of the outrageously huge Liberal Party $70 Billion Dollar policy Black Hole was found to be false by PolitiFact.

      The Liberal Party's outrageously huge policy costing Black Hole was found to be $50 Billion.

      Who cares if it's $20 Billion difference to what Labor say?

      It's $50 Billion Dollars unaccounted for!

      I will say that you've known this for a week as well.

      How are they going to cover this humongous $50 Billion Black Hole in their policy costings? Will they need to increase GST to pay for it? Will they need to sack half the public service? Will they withdraw funds from schools, from hospitals, police? Tell us!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:39PM
    • GB,

      So Joe Hockey went through all his costings did, eh?

      So what's Hockey's budget bottomline?

      And how did he say he was funding all his promises?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:12PM
  • Milne is right....the Liberal party could never ever form govt in their own right...same as the greens. Clive Palmer has rocks in his head if he thinks he can govern in his own right and be PM. They all would have to do deals with other parties eg national party to govern.......who is Warren Truss and what does he stand for as a deputy PM?

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:49AM
  • Is a beat up of an innocuous compliment and a "show me the money" moment the best that Labor can come up with?
    As the governing party you would expect more depth and substance and a willingness to debate the real issues such as how did they yet again turn a strong surplus in to a raging debt. The coalition has to continually clean up a Labor economic mess and they have the temerity to ask how.

    Commenter
    Brow
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Hmmm, I wonder if the slowdown in the Chinese economy had anything to do with that...

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:55AM
    • Clearly you didn't watch the ABC financial report last night, the China downturn appears to be over.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:10PM
    • @pseudomys - try poor management as the real reason as was the case in all preceding handovers from Labor to the coalition in the past 3 decades.
      Oh by the way China is still moving along strongly becuase they are managing their economy and not single source reliant.

      Commenter
      Brow
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:26PM
    • Brow how about you try profligate spending by the Howard government. after selling off the assets then squandering everything on middle class welfare and a couple of wars ( one of which we still forms part of current expenditure) leaving nothing in the bank for contingencies. i have an old item for you to read but is shows what he did:
      http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/24/1079939714557.html

      Commenter
      DWM
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:33PM
    • DWM,

      Ooh thanks, haven't got that article.

      It's going straight to the pool room.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:46PM
  • Christine Milne spends most of her time attacking Tony Abbott and the Coalition, very little or nothing about Rudd or Labor. Pretty much confirms a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labor.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Really? I thought that a vote for the Greens was a vote for the Greens. The two major parties don't deserve my $2.47 first preference vote anyway, as they've both acted disgracefully.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:50AM
    • And a vote for the Coalition is a vote for Rupert!

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:54AM
    • Your comment pretty much confirms you don't know how the preferential voting system works.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:58AM
    • Really tasch2? The last time I voted the Green's ran a split ticket. You could have preferenced either Liberal or Labor.Not sure who I voted for that election, but I know it wasn't Liberal or Labor. I don't think it was Greens either, but the way the major parties have behaved make Greens look far superior and a definite candidate for me this election.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:17PM
    • tasch, its pretty clear that as a rusted on Liberal, Tim from Altona does not know how anything works.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:20PM
  • Could you ask Andrew Meares, photographer extraordinaire @11.19 to find some adults older than 18, to get Rudd's photo taken with.
    The same old framing with smiling faced youth is becoming tiresome and formulaic and Rudd will cause voters to think he can't tolerate full adult scrutiny.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:47AM
  • 11:32 - did Rudd discuss the debate or was he more interested in discussing sex appeal ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:39AM
    • I think he was more interested in discussing GST, WorkChoices and an independently assessed $50 Billion Dollar Black Hole in Liberal policy costings, actually.

      But hey, his comment on sex appeal was valid. If someone said that in the workplace, they'd be lucky not to get fired.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:47AM
    • So Tone on that basis you're saying that Rudd has no positive vision at all - he's just attacking the Coalition again ?

      Or, being relentlessly negative ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:01PM
    • You might be right Hacka, perhaps Rudd has taken the relentless negativity strategy straight out of Abbott's game plan. Oh my gosh, has Rudd got hold of Abbott's relentlessly negative game plan? NOOOOO!!!

      Of course, if you're feeling a little depressed, the only really visionary and nation building policy from either party is Labor's far superior NBN. I think that's a positive.

      Compare that with the Liberal Party policy for the same thing and all you see is hack and crash, rip the heart out of Labor's excellent policy and stick with rubbish technologies.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:14PM
    • Rudd's positive vision is a national broadband network, not a Fraudband notional broadband network.

      It is Education and disability reforms that not going to be abandoned as soon as the election is won and the PEFO declared invalid.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:25PM
  • Apparently it was a "Dad moment"....

    He must be walking around home saying his daughters have sex appeal...

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:31AM
  • Rudd is claiming it is because of him China Southern are trialing direct flights from China to Cairns. He claims he has had direct talks with China Southern. I'd love a fact checker agency to cast their eyes over that little claim.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:26AM
  • No one can say that the coal mining magnets haveno’t influenced Abbott like a lodestone to a compass needle. Not only have they designed a climate change policy that isn’t, now they intend kicking the Greens and climate change to the political horizon and beyond. Here’s the reasons taken from the Greens climate change policy document:

    1: “A safe climate will require a return to an atmospheric concentration of 350ppm or lower of greenhouse gases (and CO2 equivalents).”

    2: “Subsidies to the fossil fuel sector, including funding for research and development, should be transferred to the renewable energy, energy efficiency and sustainable transport sectors.”

    If you believe climate change important it is an oxymoron to vote for increased coal production as Labor and the Coalition propose doing. Why?

    Consider 85% of this year’s power consumption increase is by coal = 29.75 billion KWh by one tonne of coal producing 2.86 tonnes of carbon dioxide for 2000 KWh of power. Therefore to satisfy year 2013 power demand increase alone Labor increased coal production by 14.875 million tonnes and emissions increased by 42.54 million tonnes. So much for our atmospheric emissions falling by 8.6%, according to Labor and the Greens. Yes even the Greens gave tacit support for Labor’s lies.

    Remember every tonne of coal produces 2.86 tonnes of Co2. Why remember?

    Because the level of carbon dioxide, has passed a long-feared milestone, scientists reported last Friday, reaching the highest concentration. Scientific instruments showed that atmospheric Co2 had reached an average daily level above 400 parts per million. Further atmospheric CO2 changes affect temperature, while temperature changes affect CO2 concentrations due to the carbon cycle response. This is what scientists call feedback loop.

    Paleoclimate evidence suggest CO2 must be reduced to 350 ppm.

    It’s the children's world, your choice.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:22AM
    • if anyone cares about Climate Change then the party to vote for is obvious.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:28AM
  • Didn't Abbott have the opportunity to pass Coalition policy in this hung parliament? If he had better solutions, all he had to do was convince a few crossbenchers and the legislation would have passed?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:21AM
    • Yes but he chose the negative attack position instead. They were in a unique situation but wasted the opportunity.
      Obviously they had no policies of merit to put forward.
      Nothing sexy enough. suppositories on the PBS might have "passed".

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Yeah - he might also have needed some assistance to get it "through" the Senate...

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:02PM
  • S-uppository gaffe makes Tony Abbott the butt of the world's jokes.
    S-ex appeal to boast his candidate is dumb.
    S-care mongering the carbon tax and MRRT are false.
    S-top the boats falls apart if the IMA jumps off.
    S-eventy billion has yet to be accounted for to his election promises.
    S-ixteen billion in new spending cuts or back tax increases to stop the Budget going further into the red.
    S-peedo free zone until 7 Sept however is most welcome.

    Commenter
    Tony's Problem with the alphabet S
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:20AM
    • Er, that's a 7 point policy. No Liberal can remember all that!

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:27AM
  • Fairfax seem to have become all excited about the words "sex appeal".

    If i was Abbott the next time i'm campaigning with a male candidate, i'd declare that they also had sex appeal.

    Mind you from memory one government minister thought Abbott had enough of it himself that she had a poster of Abbott on her wall.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:14AM
    • No politician has sex appeal to me. Merely knowing they are politicians is a turn off.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:32AM
    • I thought that was the definition of politics; show business for ugly people! :)

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 2:41PM
  • a world news story....A penis in a glass of red wine, awkward kisses and a political candidate who thought Islam was a country ......what all from the conservative side of politics.....makes you wonder what they can come up with in the next 3 years???

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:13AM
    • I don't know, but I can't see him getting involved in the kind of nonsense Gillard and Rudd have been mired in for the last 3 years.

      I reckon he'll concentrate on winning even more seats at the 2016 election.

      How do you like them apples.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:33AM
    • them apples are fine steveh.....Rudd and Gillard have been accused of many things.....but not utter stupidity on the world stage

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:36AM
    • Oh year what about Julia announcing her E. Timor detention facility without bothering to get their agreement, or who could ever forget Kevin's ever so eloquent description of the Chinese delegation in Copenhagen.

      Well obviously you have.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:55AM
    • yes Rudd was criticised for not saying much in 2009 at Copenhagen and Gillard was criticised for announcing something before agreement was made......but the conservative side of politics world wide (including Bush and Palin) have a remarkable history of stupidity....what else can we expect form conservatives in this country?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:12PM
  • How dare those pesky Greens bring a diversity of ideas to parliament... Not 'man enough' to handle proper debates Tony?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:09AM
  • Mr Abbott said Labor leader Kevin Rudd should "just show sufficient respect for the Australian people to talk about the real issues".

    Boy, is there no end to Abbott's hypocrisy???

    Here's a real issue for no-ticker Tony. Where is the money coming from???????

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 11:01AM
  • The ALP will now die the death of a thousand cuts.

    Sure Kevin Rudd has boosted the polling and may even save some of the furniture, but his inherent flaws become more and more obvious as each day of the campaign passes. His inability to project any kind of vision, hope or plan is coming home to roost and Australian voters are fast realising that he is just a TV face with no real substance.

    The most recent back down on the "I'll debate Tony every week, everywhere is the most telling. The bravado has evaporated, now that he realises that not only is Tony Abbott his match, but probably his superior in debating.

    Oh well, back to the primary schools, I guess.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:53AM
    • Well, if Tony is not going to turn up, or only debate hiding behind His Masters Voice (aka Rupert's Sky News paywall), what can a reasonable guy do?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:11AM
    • So the Limited News Party has a vision, a plan then? When will they release them? When we we see the devil in the detail? Your 'alternate view' seems to be an invisible one.

      Commenter
      Look over there an LNP costed policy!
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:20AM
    • So will Rudd leave the safety of a primary school to front Abbott in a debate, or should the debate be held in one of those very expensive school halls we all funded at five times the market rate.

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:39AM
    • M&Ms,

      Kevin Rudd challenged Abbott to a public debate at the National Press Club weeks ago.

      Abbott failed to turn up. Rudd took journalists' questions alone.

      Rudd also challenged Abbott to 5 debates, chicken hearted yellow belly Abbott can only stomach 3 debates.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 5:43PM
  • Mixed cliché's Stephanie!

    Commenter
    Norm
    Location
    Maroubra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:53AM
  • JT, I will try and even things up for you before you blow a gasket.
    Tanya does not have sex-appeal and neither does Christine.
    There, feel better.
    Try and take hold of yourself you are going to be a mess on Sept. 8th.

    Commenter
    thepres
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:49AM
    • why will I be a mess on Sept 8th? You have had to wait 6 years, poor things, I will only have to wait another 3 years, or will I? LOL...don't know yet do we.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:54AM
    • JT, Dateline Sept. 7th. 8-30pm.
      Labor loses in a Landslide.
      Rudd resigns and joins the rest of his frontbench in Gillard's 12 seat Spa.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:17AM
    • thepres...yep...could happen, most likely it will, you never know it might not ...if it does we all have to wait for another 3 years to vote the idiots out....that's democracy in Australia.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:22AM
  • Abbott is an embarrassment - not only to the Coalition, but also to Australia. I wouldn't trust him with my mail, let alone the keys to the Lodge. Is this really the best person we have on offer?

    Commenter
    pseudomys
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:44AM
    • when comparing him against his opposite (Rudd) - the answer is a resounding YES

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:13AM
    • Regardless of who you're voting for - it's a pretty sad state of affairs if we're voting for the 'least worst'!

      Commenter
      pseudomys
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:24AM
  • The ALP are too gutless to preference against the Greens, in spite of the fact that not only did their alliance with the Greens fatally wound the ALP, but also that the Greens are stealing their seats, not the LNP.

    No, the ALP just doesn't have enough conviction in it's own policies to try and win back Green leaving voters. It would rather take the easy way out and gain their votes through second preferences.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:41AM
    • I think the general public dreads another debate. They are just so boring. Keep them off the screen, they've got nothing to add.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:47AM
    • How could they, the ALP has very different policies to the Greens?

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:54AM
  • Oh such sensitivities, a comment made yesterday in jest and forgotten today. The media is bored out of their collective brains if they think this matters and pretty low of them to continue stirring the pot! The comment was tongue in cheek and he said it about both candidates, as the question asked him to compare the abilities of the Lib candidate with those of the ALP candidate. Sorry, but this beat up is over the top................as for KRudd manning up, in your dreams, Julia was more likely to man up to the Greens than the guy who stabbed her in the back. He won't even agree to a Town Hall style meeting, he's so not the man!

    Commenter
    Phill Power
    Location
    Kong
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:36AM
    • A comment 'made in jest yesterday' you say and so we need to sift through when anything is said seriously as most of the time it seems jest supercedes zest. Yet we are told that the country is in trouble economically,socially and may I add politically. The last is more serious as the country is rudderless.

      Commenter
      worjus
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:05PM
  • I am constantly amazed by the hypocracy shown when ALP supporters keep parroting on about "where are the coalition costings", as if they are looking for the golden nugget that will save the ALP from oblivion.

    The facts are that not only have the ALP managed to get the Budget forecasts wrong for all of their 6 years in power, to the value of well over $100 billion, they have even managed to get the most recent (May) budget forecast wrong to the tune of $11 billion in only 3 months!

    What is worse is that the PEFO is mostly a "best case" forecast scenario, with almost all of the variables more likely to impact badly on the forecast revenues and increase spending. The ALP is also trying to ignore the forecast in the PEFO that the carbon price will be $38 / tonne in 2020. Of course, it is likely that the carbon price is not going to be that high, but of course that means a significant hit to the revenue, even in the current forecast period. So the 16/17 surplus is highly unlikely...

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:32AM
    • Cough Cough, Liberal Party independently assessed $50 Billion Dollar Black Hole, Cough Cough...

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:40AM
    • So a $100 billion actual loss is OK then?

      And by the way, the ALP costings for their newer policies (of which there are only a few) aren't submitted yet either.

      Maybe they will submit them at 5pm on Friday 6 Sept, the last minute before the polls, as they did in 2007.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:44AM
    • AV, I am constantly amazed that the self-proclaimed party of financial expertise is too gutless to come clean.

      Only a halfwit could genuinely believe that the Abbottions can balance their own books without savage austerity cuts. Yet every time they are asked to 'man up' and tell us where the money is coming from, they say they won't tell because Labor didn't.

      In the old Australian vernacular, Hockey and his mob are the ultimate Gutless Wonders.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:09AM
    • I think Labor's promises so far are in the millions of dollars. The Liberals, who claim to be better economic managers, but that's looking unlikely all the time, have promises in the billions of dollars. Liberals are spending 10 times as much as Labor.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:23AM
    • Yet still no mention from Rudd as to how his party will pay down our nation's ballooning debt - not just the interest. Disability care still unfunded, as is Gonski. NBN off budget, offshore processing costs ever increasing - Now lets talk about black holes within the numbers....

      Commenter
      M&M's
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:30AM
    • Actually M&Ms, the economic report released just yesterday says that we will be back in surplus in 2016.

      That surplus will enable the paying back of debts, but only if its determined that there aren't better uses for the capital - spending money to grow your economy giving you a larger return than the money spent is considered good debt, and is good policy. The current economic climate that all debt is bad is simply wrong.

      Or more simply:
      Debt for appreciating assets = good debt
      Debt for depreciating assets = bad debt

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:38AM
  • It seems the only people still showing faux offense to Tony Abbotts comments about sex appeal are Fairfax journalist, labor supporters and the ABC (although I repeated myself when I said labor supporters and the ABC).

    On the other hand I wonder if the cartoonist 'Pope' would make a fat joke about a female's politicians weight the way he did about Joe Hockeys weight (10.08am). The insinuation is Hockey is too fat to do the job.

    I guess Hocky is a male coalition MP so it must be allowed. Double standards from Fairfax? Yep.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:30AM
  • The only people who are outraged about Tony Abbott's "sex appeal" comment yesterday are rusted-on ALP voters, left-leaning political insiders and Emily listers.

    An opinion phone-in to one of Sydney's most popular radio stations today better reflected the general public's opinion, which effectively was "so what?" in relation to TA's comment.

    Lastly, the comment could not in any way be considered mysogenistic (i.e. woman hating) when clearly TA was complementing his candidate, not hating her.

    This sort of ridiculous PC commentary is just nonsense. Get real.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:18AM
    • The only people who are outraged about Tony Abbott's "sex appeal" comment yesterday are rusted-on ALP voters, left-leaning political insiders and Emily listers.

      No alternate view....only proud ones.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:22AM
    • sorry...you don't have an alternate view you have the mainstream view ......and it is sad that in 2013 it is still the mainstream view.....perhaps one day it will change.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:25AM
    • It's not about hating women (that claim against Abbott was always overcooked). It's about treating women differently to men.

      "‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons." - Tony Abbott

      With a male candidate he wouldn't mention sex appeal. With a female candidate it's the first thing out of his mouth..

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:35AM
    • Yep and the mainstream view in this case is the correct one.

      TA is just showing that he's a real person, unlike that other guy...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:37AM
    • it still may be the dominant view....not necessarily the 'correct' view ....of women in our society. Arky...at least there are a few of us the challenge the dominant view.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:48AM
    • @arky, don't be narky. Tony Abbott has several times referred to Joe Hockey as the George Clooney of the liberal party.

      If faux outrage is all that the ALP supporters have to run on in this campaign, they really do not have a campaign.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Hi Alternate View,

      Would that radio station be 2GB by any chance??

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Alternate view
      I usually agree with you but this time I don't.

      There were many other ways to describe Scott other than referring to a subjective thing like 'sex appeal' and he could have chosen a much better description.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:28AM
    • Sam, no it was WSFM...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 12:36PM
  • How Tony has changed in 3 years....3 years ago he would have 'done anything except sell his arse' to be PM.......now he won't do deals and insists on having dictator status in both houses...how desperate is this guy to have ultimate power in Australia?

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Lets face it..Labor has put us in the position of having these huge deficits. Just by not opening the flood gates to people smugglers they would have saved billions by not having to build massive off shore facilities and doing deals with PNG. Lets not even mention the rubbish stimulus packages.

      Commenter
      thereisnoyouinLabor
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:23AM
  • Be interesting to see how Abbott would react to someone referring to his daughters as having "sex appeal". Can't imagine he'd be too impressed by it. Mrs Abbott can't be too impressed that her husband is rating female members of the LNP by physical attributes. At least he hasn't tried to give any of them a suppository as yet.

    Commenter
    Chippsy
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:53AM
    • Where is the outrage about a 56 year old telling a 18 year old she is beautiful?

      Commenter
      Lyle Marshall
      Location
      Castle Hill
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:02AM
    • LOL.....yes especially when the daughters are going for jobs.....what a great reference from Daddy..."but they have sex appeal, shouldn't they get the job on that basis?"

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:07AM
    • It really doesn't matter. Abbott also thinks GST and WorkChoices have sex appeal, so what does that say?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Don’t tell us Labor are becoming prudes, who’d of thought. I am sure his daughters would take it in the complementary way it was meant, don’t start getting politically correct Labor, it just does not suite you at all. Don’t forget you lot were applauding Rudd for going into a strip club in New York with Col Alan of News Limited and getting Franz List.

      Commenter
      Peter G
      Location
      Drummoyne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:36AM
    • @ Paul - There's nothing wrong with a strip club, its a licensed legal venue with adults choosing to work there. There is something wrong when describing a colleague or employee as having sex appeal. Perhaps if Ms Scott was campaigning for a job at a strip club it might be appropriate.

      Commenter
      Chippsy
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:48AM
  • re costings....Let's face it....these economic conditions will produce a big budget deficit for either political party. The only difference will be that Tony will be able to convince everyone it's alright if his side has the big deficit and very very very bad if Labor has the deficit.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:42AM
  • Fiona Scotts odds of victory have shortened as her profile has skyrocketed. Didn't the left learn anything from previous attempts to paint Abbott as sexist and misogynist.

    Commenter
    rileyandmax
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:39AM
    • again.....this comment just proves the existence of Australia's highly sexist and misogynist society. Was in NZ recently and watched a TV program on Helen Clark....she was outlining how hard it was there to be a female PM.....she said that events that happened to her she found difficult to endure...and that a male PM would never have to endure such treatment. We are not alone.....

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:01AM
    • I wasn't aware the "left" held Abbott at gunpoint and made him refer to Ms Scott's sex appeal or that the "left" reported the story.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:09AM
  • Let's see if today is the day Abbott and co reveal how they intend to pay for their promises, or if it's just another day of hot air.

    I'm guessing the latter. Pretty sure by now that Abbott made promises on the hope that he'd be elected basically unopposed and would never have to back up how he proposed to pay for them. He couldn't back up his promises last election, except with the fraudulent "audited" figures which had an $11 billion black hole in them. Nothing has changed.

    Just as the Coalition lied about children overboard and hoped the truth wouldn't come out until too late, Abbott is pursuing a similar strategy here.

    Commenter
    Arky
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:39AM
    • What the ALP refuse to acknowledge is that their own financial figures have never added up and never will. If a CEO of any company run their company finances the way the ALP has do with the countries finances then they would be in jail
      The ALP have promised a surplus over 500 times for year 12/13.
      In 11/12 the ALP predicted a deficit of $22.6B but was $42.6B, 12/13 it predicted a surplus of $3.5B but the deficit was $19.4B, 13/14 the deficit is $33.8B
      Revue for last year was $55B more than the year before but spending is $100B more.
      All the talk about a Liberal black hole what about the ALP continuing deficits each year of of $20B. If you added their promises of forecasts either surpluses or deficits and delivered figues the difference would be about $107B over the pass three years. Is this the ALP's Black hole?
      One day the money will run out then where is the ALP going to get other people's money from?

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:23AM
    • PEFO told us election that there would be a $43Billion hole in labors budget over the next 3 years to 2013. the actual figure is $140Billion. Only $97Billion out. Missed it by 250% but thats alright they might do better this time. Thank god they picked up the $11Billion in liberal cogs last time. Just imagine if we were only $11Billion down instead of the $140Billion.

      Most on the left seem to not understand that PEFO has also said that the position could get a lot worse with spending increasing and tax revenue decreasing.

      Only one thing is certain, we will be in a much bigger hole in 3 yif rudd is re-elected.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:33AM
    • It's not enough to attack Labor's economic management. The Coalition have to actually make a case they'll do a better job. So far they appear unable to provide any figures to do that. It's been 6 years.

      The Coalition would have stuck us in a huge recession like most of Europe if they'd been in charge during the GFC. They'd like people to forget that, and just complain about a few anecdotes of waste in the schools program instead.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:49AM
    • Arky - it is enough to attack labor poor economic recordA class of 12 yrs old would have done a better job than these clowns and all you want to do is hold Abbott to account.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:20AM
    • "The Coalition would have stuck us in a huge recession like most of Europe if they'd been in charge during the GFC".

      Like all the ALP followers forget the Howard Govt managed the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990's very well. If the Liberals had been in Govt their response would have been similar to what they did for the Asian crisis. But would they would not have done is wasted the borrowed money with things like over priced school halls, pink batts, 2 lots of $900 cheques to certain groups in the community. The money would have been directed and justified not throwing money at everything without any controls of the cost or community benefit.
      The ALP have no idea how to mange money all it knows is how to borrow and spend. In 2008 Swan could not even get a surplus after only 6 months in office.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:24AM
    • Look around the world at every other Western economy. A class of 12 year olds could do a better job? Really?

      Global conditions aren't Labor's fault, and if the Coalition thinks it can handle them better it has to say how, because it is not so easy as you seem to think...

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:28AM
    • The Howard Government, which included Tony Abbott, create a massive structural deficit due to paying too much money as middle class welfare. It's a deficit we are only beginning to suffer from now.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:31AM
    • The Asian financial crisis was orders of magnitude different to the GFC. More to the point, the Liberals' feelings on the stimulus are a matter of public record so we don't have to play guessing games on what they would have done.

      And blaming Swan for not having a surplus in 2008 - that's a joke, right? Even Costello and Hockey wouldn't have the hide to claim Australia could have or should have been running a surplus in 2008.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:32AM
    • No joke. When Swan was handed PEFO in Nov 2007 it had no deficit surprises, no hidden liabilities or rude budget shocks but a $20B surplus which was soon revised upward. In the last year of the Howard Govt spending was 23.1% of GDP but under Swan it rose to over %25 which is unsustainable. After only 6 months as Treasurer Swan still could not produce a surplus even with a $20B start.

      Commenter
      terry
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Terry you need to read this one too:
      http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/24/1079939714557.html
      Talk about dodgy figures.

      Commenter
      DWM
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 1:47PM
    • terry- The GFC completely changed the equation in 2008 and late 2007. Not only changing the tax revenue forecasts rather drastically but also requiring urgent stimulus to prevent Australia being dragged into the same hole as a lot of other countries. Spending a bit then to prevent worse losses. As I said, not even Costello and Hockey would say there should have been a surplus in 2008 or that there could have been.

      Commenter
      Arky
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:16PM
  • Coalmines have canaries; would Mumbles comment qualify as a *budgie* moment?

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:39AM
  • No mention of the preference deal with the Greens? What sort of election blog is this?

    Commenter
    rileyandmax
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:36AM
    • It has no "sex appeal". All the media seem to do is run around looking for gaffs. And this must be one of the most boring gaffs of any election. But the media must run with it never the less.

      Commenter
      Kim
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:01AM
  • The Liberals decision to preference Greens last means that Labor can now shift campaign resources from Grayndler (Albo's seat0 and Sydney (Tanya's) to seats the Libs are targeting.

    At least in Victoria Labor gets Melbourne and the Libs get a National seat.

    What a gift to NSW Labor!

    Commenter
    Vulture
    Location
    Gladesville
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:29AM
    • It's worth it to get rid of the so called, Greens. I struggle to think of what they have contributed that's been of benefit.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:45AM
  • While the Fairfax media go into faux-outrage over Abbott's remark, not a word about Rudd telling the troops he "been outside the wire" a few times in Afghanistan? What a poseur.

    Commenter
    alex
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:29AM
    • Have to agree those comments are on par with his I survived the Kokoda Track. If Rudd went outside of the wire they would have made sure that it was a fully secured perimeter and he would have been flanked by many many REAL men in uniform. How about someone producing video images as I am sure he wouldn't have done it without a camera close by.

      Commenter
      Lyle Marshall
      Location
      Castle hill
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:43AM
    • What about Rudd crashing the 18 yr old girl's birthday party in Townsville last night, serenading her with "Why was she born so beautiful" and telling her she was beautiful. In addition telling her guests he would come after them if they did not vote Labor. Imagine the outrage and condemnation from Labor supporters this morning if Abbott had done that .
      The incident was captured and is on You Tube this morning.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Nor Tanya Plibersek's comments about a chap being 'handsome' on Q and A the other night. Agree with you about Rudd as well. Fairfax media - hypocrites.

      Commenter
      David
      Location
      Glenmore Park
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:22AM
  • Interesting...from Abbotts comments on the carbon tax....it seems Australia may have more instability under an LNP govt than Labor. ie another election from a double dissolution.....will this mean that Tony Abbott will keep having elections until he gets dictator status?

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:27AM
  • Fiona Scott would have a deep deep feeling in her gut of shame caused by Tony Abbott's remarks....a man in the public arena referred to her looks as a reason for people to vote for her, not her intellect or what she can do for the electorate. She would never reveal it in public or she may deny it and carry it around for a long time...just as all women do in our highly sexist and misogynistic society of Australia. Would Abbott say the same of a young new male candidate....LOL, what do you reckon? If you just excuse it or brush it away...you are part of the problem.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:17AM
    • JT,

      On your assertions there, Tony Abbott is a genius! Not many people had heard of Fiona Scott before this story became a "headline". Now guys will vote for her because she has "sex appeal" and women will vote for her out of sympathy for working for such a tyrant!

      Commenter
      dRod
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:42AM
    • I am not sure any of us can project what Fiona Scott thought: though her laugh at the time indicated she was VERY surprised and taken aback at the comment Abbott made.

      I would like to think that Fiona Scott has other attributes that qualify her for her candidacy like
      - excellent connection with the community she represents
      -high level of commitment to representing her constituents should she be elected
      - sound ability to argue her case for a Coalition government

      Sex appeal exists of course, but it is in the eye of the beholder and whether you have it is not, is not a prerequisite for election. Neither does having sex appeal guarantee you will do a job well or not of course. Look at Howard, (absolutely no sex appeal - to me) yet was reelected repeatedly and did well in Government until the last 18 months or so. And as Gillard did say, some women would find Angus Houston attractive. She made that comment based on Houston's 'sex appeal'.

      Abbott certainly had a 'dad' moment yesterday.He made a sexist comment.
      His comment was thoughtless and silly.
      You are correct JT, Abbott would not say of Josh Frydenberg, 'He has sex appeal',when describing his suitability as a Candidate even though some may say he does,
      as men are not spoken about as frequently in this manner.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:43AM
    • dRod....you are probably right....such is the sexist nature of Australian society. it's worked for Tony all along even though he may not even know it.

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:46AM
  • Has Rudd agreed to debate Abbott yet ?

    He was so excited about all those debates a few weeks ago but seems to have run into a corner somewhere about it.

    It sounds like he doesn't want voters to ask him questions, just journos. He's been leaking to them for three years so a few of them owe him a favour or two.

    Does he only want non-News Ltd journos ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    August 14, 2013, 9:12AM
    • Hacka.
      Rudd is not worried about the journalists. He is petrified about facing an audience of real people in an environment where he will have to respond to questions from the floor. You can't prepare enough notes for that, and the crowd won't cop the old, "I'll refer that to the relevant Minister" response. He's running scared.

      Commenter
      Facts are
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:35AM
    • Rudd is extremely comfortable in having primary school children quiz him on his policies.

      How many pre or primary schools will he visit today I wonder?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 9:50AM
    • I think we might be over the debates guys - the last one was just so goddam boring.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Well he has a choice of around 81 preschools in the Cairns area. That should provide a great number of votes. I wonder how the parents el about the Politician and media circus crawling all over their children.

      Commenter
      No to school vists
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Hacka - agreed.
      What Rudd is really affraid of is questions like "The country has a debt of $254b with interest payments of $11.5b per year. PEFO only shows payments of interest and no payments against the principal amount. How does the Labor Government propose to clear both principal and interest debt?". Or "What guarantee does the Labor party make that the borrowings will not exceed the current debt limit of $300b?". These are questions that the journalists are affraid to, or been told, not to ask.

      Commenter
      Paul B
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:27AM
    • Tony's not saying what he's going to do about it!!!

      Commenter
      Norm
      Location
      Maroubra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 10:50AM
    • Facts are - agreed.

      Paul B - for some reason journo's don't seem to be asking those questions.The budget numbers include not a cent of debt being repaid.

      We constantly hear how we've only got a comparatively small debt, but as you illustrate just the interest on it is enough to fund an NDIS or a Gonski.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 11:10AM
    • Tony Abbott is so comfortable taking questions from the public that he's failed to appear on ABC's Q&A this year.

      Gillard took questions for a full hour. Abbott to date, has not.

      On his visits to Melbourne, despite repeated requests, Abbott has constantly declined to be interviewed by Jon Faine on ABC 774 Melbourne radio, and to take questions from talkback callers.

      Abbott had a more pressing engagement -a photo opportunity with a pie.

      When Abbott does accept, it's a phone interview not a studio interview, and he didn't accept any questions from talkback callers.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Hacka,
      Are you nuts? The debt is in the form of bonds which have to be repaid as they fall due.
      Otherwise we'd have become Argentina.
      We have always paid our debts as and when they fall due.
      Seriously....comedy gold from Hacka ".The budget numbers include not a cent of debt being repaid"
      ha ha ha ha

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:17PM
    • In addition to the dept accumulated so far- to my understanding - the NBN is not included in those numbers but accounted for in a different way.
      Can somebody enlighten me ?

      Commenter
      Bruno
      Location
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:51PM
    • Rat - if what you say is true then the annual interest charge would be reducing. But it's not.

      The bonds might get rolled over when they mature but there's no debt reduction.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      August 14, 2013, 4:55PM
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