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Election wrap: August 20, 2013

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  • "over 100,000 pencils have been bought and 140 km of string is required to tie them to polling booths

    over 43 million ballot papers have been printed and 50,000 ballot boxes produced;

    about 70,000 polling station officials are needed (50,000 have signed up so far);

    265 group voting tickets have been accepted; and

    a record 1,717 nominations were received and declared from independent candidates.

    All this to appease Fairyland under the Moon philosophy sprinkled with delusions of elf dust to enchant believers in what is untrue. Great?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Date and time
    August 20, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Shouldn't the fact 105 boat people almost drowned be the headline story as opposed to Collingwood facing a 20,000 dollar fine for misleading advertising? Now I wonder, who is the Age supporting during this campaign?

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      August 20, 2013, 4:29PM
      • Typical ALP overkill.

        1.4m of string per pencil!

        Swanny must have left his calculator on his desk....

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        August 20, 2013, 4:26PM
        • Keep an eye on Hockey and Robb in case they trip over it.

          Commenter
          J. Fraser
          Location
          Queensland
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:33PM
        • Dont worry Stumbles Hockey will cut this government brown string wasteful extravagance ( and then lose all the pencils)

          Commenter
          David D
          Location
          Ettalong Beach
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:36PM
      • J. F-r-a-s-e-r

        Your calm down response means you still have not answered my questions.

        1: How would you stop the drownings?

        2: Why would any thinking person vote for liars?

        No tangents and no obfuscations only direct answers please. We can't have you comparing Pen with Disneyland, while refusing to answer questions can we? It smacks of Rudd and Abbot style cowardice that you are so keen to vote for?

        Answer the questions, Fraser.

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Date and time
        August 20, 2013, 4:24PM
        • @"Pen"

          Once again.

          Open up immigration.

          But you wouldn't like that.

          Commenter
          J. Fraser
          Location
          Queensland
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:28PM
      • ALP Playbook:

        Plan A - Attack Abbott
        Plan B - Be positive (not negative)
        Plan C - If B fails go back to A.

        And remember, we are always the victim!

        Commenter
        beasleyst
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        August 20, 2013, 4:23PM
        • NO the victoms will be the Australian public who have to feel the full brunt of some trulyterrible economkic policies from the Libs.

          Commenter
          Macca75
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:27PM
        • Coalition playbook:

          1. Say slogan of the day
          2. Repeat slogan of the day
          3. Deny anything else to contrary has ever been said
          4. Repeat slogan of the day
          5. End press conference

          Commenter
          pseudomys
          Location
          Melbourne
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:33PM
      • Yee Hah! Paid Parental Lottery .
        Mumbles Abbott - *Its fully costed* (whatever that means)
        Stumbles Hockey - *its funded 50 or 60 percent - maybe thats 70*
        Matthias Conman * Its fully funded - no cuts to services* (the cuts will be for other programmes -we will write *not from cuts* on all the cheques)
        WA Premier * bugger off Tony - not with my money you dont*
        Who is going to be left holding the baby?

        Commenter
        David D
        Location
        Ettalong Beach
        Date and time
        August 20, 2013, 4:22PM
        • We are.

          Commenter
          tasch2
          Location
          Mornington Peninsula
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 4:24PM
      • so much discussion about Abbotts paid parenting leave.......just goes to show how desperate people are to hear Abbotts policies.
        Even if he has only released the two policies....the other being his Austerity cut, cut cut.

        Commenter
        Abbotts2policies
        Date and time
        August 20, 2013, 4:03PM
        • Another school visit. I don't understand it, the kids don't even vote. Any stray vegemite sandwiches? Kev will be hurt if doesn't cop one.

          Commenter
          Prickly
          Location
          Melbourne
          Date and time
          August 20, 2013, 3:59PM
          • Why is John McTernan still in Australia, hasn't the original job he was employed for been terminated?
            To All that bleat that the Coalition hasn't released their costing I would prefer that the time be taken to ensure that the costings are correct rather than scribble on a drink coaster like Rudds.
            The Charter of Budget Honesty Act 1998 underpins the release of the PEFO and provides (relatively weak) constraints on the Government as to its budget reporting.
            Importantly the Act does not mandate any action by the Opposition.
            It allows the Opposition (and other minor parties) to request the Treasury and the Department of Finance and Deregulation to undertake costings but it does not mandate that the Opposition take any particular action (the word ‘may’ is used in this context).
            Therefore, the Opposition is complying with the Charter of Budget Honesty even if it does not request a single costing.

            Commenter
            Lyle Marshall
            Location
            Castle Hill
            Date and time
            August 20, 2013, 3:49PM
              • McTernan has obviously been giving advice to the Rudd camp.
                They're back to abbott abbott abbott again

                Commenter
                Dave
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:09PM
              • Probably helping Jool's to move into her new pad.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:28PM
              • I wouldnt worry too much about the coalition costings either - their sterling effort so far on the Paid Parental lottery illustrates how relevant and realistic they will be.
                Knickernomics rules again.

                Commenter
                David D
                Location
                Ettalong Beach
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:46PM
            • Read the article by McT. If you didn't know who the author was you would swear it was the best satire you have ever read. Knowing who the author is makes it hilarious..

              P.S Did Fairfax poach him from News or is he working in the 'Latham reporter' role this election??

              Commenter
              Cwitty
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              August 20, 2013, 3:49PM
              • Can we please please send him home?

                Commenter
                Now you see them
                Location
                Soon you won't
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 3:59PM
            • Words of wisdom from Mike Kelly (the PM's pick for Defence Minister) : We won’t be competing in the region and the suffering we will have inflicted on ourselves through not dealing with climate change will turn the Bega Valley into the Death Valley, the Sapphire Coast into the Saline Coast and the Snowy Mountains into the Sandy Mountains. We can’t afford catastrophic climate change so I want you to work with me on that as well. I believe that deeply. So join with me in that struggle. Hello!!

              Commenter
              Baltic13
              Date and time
              August 20, 2013, 3:49PM
              • Tip don't take what he said too seriously, however best take it as an half truth. It took thousands of years for Co2 to reach 315 ppm and 55 years to reach 400 ppm? Do the maths?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:43PM
            • Blimey!! I have just received my postal voting papers & the Senate paper (white one) is almost as long as my kitchen bench!! (I live in a very small unit)!! I think there will be long lines & much delay on voting day.

              Commenter
              Rosie
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              August 20, 2013, 3:46PM
              • Is worth the effort? Do you believe what the politicians have told you is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Therein lays your answer.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 3:57PM
            • J. F-r-a-s-e-r

              You still have not answered my questions.

              1: How would you stop the drownings?

              2: Why would any thinking person vote for liars?

              No tangents and no obfuscations only direct answers please. We can't have you comparing Pen with Disneyland, while refusing to answer questions can we? It smacks of Rudd and Abbot style cowardice that you are so keen to vote for?

              Commenter
              Pen of hrba
              Date and time
              August 20, 2013, 3:45PM
              • I know what I would do. Set up a processing centre in Indonesia. Declare that any person comes to Australia by boat, they will be declared an economic refugee automatically and sent back.

                If they are processed in Indonesia, then they can determine if they are genuine refugees there.

                If they aren't, then great, don't accept them.

                Talk with other countries about taking some of the refugees.

                If they are, put them in a camp in Indonesia, give them cultural, language and skills training so that when they land in Australia/Canada/US/New Zealand they have the best chance at becoming productive members of that society.

                I would certainly expect this approach to be cheaper than the current choices, and far more humane!

                Commenter
                Tom
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:00PM
              • Pen no point trying to take on J Fray Fray - He can be a little Cray Cray.
                This morning we discussed 'Trashing democracy" You inferred that coalition not releasing costings was Trashing our democracy.. you even went on to make comparisons to Hitler, just in case anyone wasn’t sure if the debate was over..
                How do you reconcile your choice not to vote with your perceived Guardian of democracy status? Would you agree that if everyone acted like you and didn't vote, our democracy would be Trashed? As a citizen what is your personal obligation to democracy if you do not even vote?

                Commenter
                Cwitty
                Location
                Sydney
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:03PM
              • Calm down.

                You are in danger of becoming like "thepres".

                I am not responsible for what gets posted and what doesn't.

                Commenter
                J. Fraser
                Location
                Queensland
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:04PM
              • Doesn't really solve the drowning problem.

                Commenter
                tasch2
                Location
                Mornington Peninsula
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:04PM
              • You should ask Kevin Rudd the question.
                After all he is the cause of this mess!!!
                He was the one that dismantled the policies that actually worked!!

                Commenter
                You must be joking
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:05PM
              • Cwitty

                Point to where I have mentioned Hitler, yo cannot because it does not exist. Voting for liars is not democratic, however, refusing to vote for liars is democratic. If you do not understand this principle then I suggest that you read up on ethics.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:19PM
              • Sorry 'you must be joking'. Apparently it wasn't Ruddy Boys fault - it was our fault as voters for apparently giving him a mandate to dismantle the Pacific Solution. He only did what the voters wanted.

                Now if he would only do what the voters want come September 7 and just go away. Please just go away.

                Commenter
                Smokin Mo
                Location
                Ryde
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:21PM
              • But Tom your solution will not stop the drownings?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 4:21PM
            • Boris Johnson would make a great guest on Q&A.

              Tony Jones get on the blower

              Commenter
              Tim of Altona
              Date and time
              August 20, 2013, 3:41PM
              • Whats all the fuss about PPL. As long as my wife can still make payments on her new X5 when the baby is born and not have to worry about going back to work for 6 months i'm all for it.

                Commenter
                den3ng
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                August 20, 2013, 3:40PM
                • What chance of being convicted for not voting postal when information on policy costings was not forthcoming?

                  Commenter
                  Pen of hrba
                  Date and time
                  August 20, 2013, 3:32PM
                  • What chance of you posting of some money to Treasury to pay for all the times you haven't voted ?

                    Help the big bad debt you keep banging on about.

                    And possibly salve your conscience.

                    Commenter
                    J. Fraser
                    Location
                    Queensland
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:36PM
                  • J.Fraser

                    Please answer my question: why should I vote for liars? What is the matter is the reality too perplexing for you?

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:52PM
                • Good question. Why would we care what John McTernan thinks? Now that his gig is over shouldn't he be deported? At the very least Kevin should resettle him in PNG.

                  Commenter
                  Lewis
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  August 20, 2013, 3:24PM
                  • He's apparently trying to carve out a media career for himself
                    Doubt he wants to hang around in Australia too long after Sept 7 given the part he played in turning the ALP into a smoking ruin with his management of Gillard.

                    Commenter
                    Tim of Altona
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:38PM
                • Stephanie You suggest vote early.... Based on many elections as AEC staff I suggest that unless you absolutely have to vote in the morning the best way to avoid a queue is to vote later.leave it to early or mid afternoon and the chances are better there will be a very short queue

                  Commenter
                  Rum
                  Date and time
                  August 20, 2013, 3:22PM
                  • So Kevin Rudd tells Tony Abbott to quote "show some leadership and man up" - how do we take that? Misogynistic or just Sexist?

                    Commenter
                    Timbo
                    Location
                    Melb
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:16PM
                    • Like Kev "Manning Up" when he sent Simon Crean into fight for him, then didn't even Show Up!

                      Commenter
                      beasleyst
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:28PM
                    • Kevin must have been thinking about himself when he said that.

                      Commenter
                      Kev's not my man
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:30PM
                    • Its a sorry state of affairs when the geek is telling the boxer to "man up".

                      Whatever happened to Liberal principles that took Australia to so many wars ?

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:38PM
                  • McTernan wrote one article for the Sunday Tele a few weeks ago - supposedly the first of a weekly column - then disappeared.

                    Are we expecting regular contributions to the SMH from Julia's most famous 457 recipient ?

                    Commenter
                    Hacka
                    Location
                    Canberra
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:14PM
                    • When can we send him home?

                      Commenter
                      Now you see him
                      Location
                      Soon you won't
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:18PM
                    • Well this might mean that Fairfax is now sponsoring the 457 visa - so perhaps Stephanie could answer that.

                      Commenter
                      Hacka
                      Location
                      Canberra
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:52PM
                  • The Paid Parental Leave is the best form of upper class welfare I've ever seen ... anywhere.

                    Commenter
                    Casa
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:11PM
                    • Woman earning $20k a year might not agree.

                      $75k for those on $150k as opposed to $10k for those on $20k.

                      Who could afford to do with less ?

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:19PM
                    • It’s a big word but I know you can do it!! Say it with me "Universal"
                      Not Upper nor Lower nor Middle class. Universal. Just like Medicare a 'UNIVERSAL' entitlement. Universal entitlements make Australia the best country in the world. There are plenty of universal entitlements that don’t create a divided class based society of envy. That’s why they are good (unless you like class based societies of envy – then you will not like universal rights)

                      Commenter
                      Cwitty
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:31PM
                    • Cwitty - Medicare doesn't pay you more of a refund the more you earn - you get the same no matter what.

                      Commenter
                      Macca75
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 4:16PM
                  • “If the ALP's ETS had been proposed by Tony Abbott it would be a perfect example of Liberal policy, letting the market do the work and determine the best approach to drive down carbon emissions.

                    But instead it is a terrible cost on business and the libs support govt”

                    If Kevin’s northern Australian special Tax zone was proposed by Tony it would be laughed out of town as ‘Dividing the nation’. The treasurer’s assistant would complain about gold plated footpaths in the north while people in west Sydney are stuck in traffic. They would demand detailed costings...

                    But instead its … Oh hang on a minute. It was announced by Tony… The government did say that. WTF??

                    Pfft - Ruddy Labor ... Go Figure

                    Commenter
                    cwitty
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:10PM
                    • I know, right? What a terrible policy whoever gets into power. Lots of blown money on a white elephant just so Gina can have a low taxation zone.

                      Commenter
                      Tone
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:22PM
                  • There seems to be a return of the Gillard tactic. Abbott Abbott Abbott all of them every press conference. Back to sounding desperate again. Everything is about Tony Abbott!
                    Do they have anything to campaign on except Abbott Abbott Abbott!

                    Commenter
                    Leo
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 3:07PM
                    • I know Rudd is on the ballot paper.

                      Who is this Abbott you are talking about ?

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:12PM
                    • That did not work for Gillard and i unlikely to work for these clowns as well.

                      Commenter
                      Now you see him
                      Location
                      Soon you won't
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:16PM
                    • J Fraser - getting more desperate by the day - just like the PM

                      Commenter
                      Baltic13
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:26PM
                    • You know what, returning to "Abbott Abbott Abbott" is a sure sign they have nothing left in the locker and nothing to campaign on. Oh except "cut cut cut to the bone"
                      It's a ridiculas tactic, it sounds of desperation, it's childish, they look silly trying to get it out every time they talk to the media, it's obvious and it never worked for Gillard. And the other thing with this Abbott Abbott Abbott thing is Kev is supposed to have a "new way". This isn't knew Kev. I'm voting Abbott Abbott Abbott

                      Commenter
                      HG
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:33PM
                    • Rudd is only on the ballot paper in the electorate of Griffith. You won't see him anywhere else. Or is it just, "Kevin"??

                      Commenter
                      Facts are
                      Location
                      Brisbane
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:36PM
                    • All I seem to have heard in the last few days from you lot is Rudd Rudd Rudd. Even Amanda Vandstone was targetting Rudd yesterday in her Liberal Party advertorial.

                      It's just typical Liberal Party strategy to try to paint Rudd with the same brush as Abbott.

                      Rudd hasn't exactly had the time to show his personality since taking over the role of PM - he's been running all over Australia trying to get elected. So all this personality stuff is mostly made up by the Liberal Party spin machine.

                      The difference is that with Abbott, it's all true.

                      Commenter
                      Tone
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:51PM
                    • LNP's diversionary tactics haven't ceased i see........Oh look over there >>.........

                      Commenter
                      AL
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 4:19PM
                    • They sound like they are in opposition, with nothing left but to attack the other side. The reaction to the PPL is a case in point. Whether it is good or not, Abbott has stolen the high ground on this one and they are sounding very shrill about it.

                      Bligh's campaign in Qld employed the same tactic and turned what could have been an honourable defeat into an absolute rout. The first time in the election she proudly listed achievements was in her concession speech, the rest of the time was spent attacking Newman.

                      Commenter
                      Otwen
                      Location
                      Anywhere but Canberra
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 4:34PM
                  • For all those who follow the bookies :

                    "Pen of hrba" fell at the first sign of democracy.

                    "thereisnoyouinLabor" ran off the track and is now ensconced in a retreat.

                    "SteveH." is out in the paddock filling up with knowledge.

                    "terry" was slow away from the barriers and is not making any headway.

                    Commenter
                    J. Fraser
                    Location
                    Queensland
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:58PM
                    • Gosh, I wish I was in a retreat..at least until after the 7th Spetember. Its like an addiction reading these comments when I know they are the same day after day after day..including my own. Oh the serenity of the 8th of Spetember with, hopefully, the LNP in Government and all is well with the world. BTW you do know I'm agnostic don't you...do they have retreats for agnostics..if so I'd love to know of it.

                      Commenter
                      thereisnoyouinLabor
                      Location
                      Brisbane
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:24PM
                  • J.Fraser

                    As ever the alarmist. Mandortory sentence following a verbal and written warning following conviction of a second offence of people smuggling.

                    What is your alternative, Fraser let more children drown? Time you took a grip of reality. It is no fun losing a child Fraser, I can assure you of that reality.

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:50PM
                    • @"Pen"

                      If your posts are reality I would prefer Disneyland.

                      Once again commiserations on your loss.

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:14PM
                    • J,Fraser

                      Another of your tangents does not cut the mustard, Fraser. So, explain how you would stop the drownings. Not the boats the drownings, those horrible things that cause death. You know when the lungs fill with salt water. And our Labor and the Coalition's answer is to do what?

                      Commenter
                      Pen of hrba
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:26PM
                    • @"Pen"

                      Open up immigration.

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:41PM
                  • I'll still vote below the line no matter how many stand to confuse the issue. might take me half a day, but I'll pref where I want to.
                    No matter how the machine thinks.
                    Voting OS, so that should at least be interesting and a bit of fun.

                    Commenter
                    A country gal
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:48PM
                    • You risk ending up with an informal ballot.

                      Commenter
                      Lewis
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 2:53PM
                    • I did it at one of Howards elections but at that time there were only 89 candidates.

                      If I was in an electorate where it was absolutely solid Liberal I would do it and get as many of my friends to do it as well.

                      That way the polling booths would probably only have about 20 votes and the Libs would be screaming rigged election.

                      Oh wait a minute they have already been screaming that for 3 years.

                      Commenter
                      J. Fraser
                      Location
                      Queensland
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:02PM
                    • No.

                      Pick up ballot papers when registering.

                      Fold ballot papers neatly with a pre typed explanation of why they remain unmarked.

                      Place in ballot box.

                      Leave.

                      It is the only practical way of how not to vote for liars.

                      Commenter
                      Pen of hrba
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:18PM
                    • Lewis, I always double/triple check and only once have had to ask for a new ballot.
                      There will be plenty of deliberate donkeys around this time, but mine won't be one.
                      I value my vote.

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:27PM
                    • Hey Pen. Why the pre-typed explanation. Do you really think anybody would bother to read it or even care?

                      Commenter
                      Lewis
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:35PM
                  • "If Tony Abbott's PPL scheme was actually being proposed by the ALP, it would be lauded as visionary and essential, a la Gonski and Disability Care.

                    Because it isn't, it's too expensive and overkill."

                    If the ALP's ETS had been proposed by Tony Abbott it would be a perfect example of Liberal policy, letting the market do the work and determine the best approach to drive down carbon emissions.

                    But instead it is a terrible cost on business and the libs support govt intervention.

                    Go Figure!

                    Commenter
                    Macca75
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:42PM
                    • Hmmm - kind of like the hypocrisy of embracing neo-classical economics, and then rejecting a market-based ETS for dealing with carbon emissions because it's inefficient...

                      Commenter
                      pseudomys
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 2:52PM
                    • A policy which will see no employer in Australia hiring women of child bearing age is mysogynistic - a perfect example of Coalition attitudes towards women.

                      Commenter
                      Woman
                      Location
                      World
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:01PM
                    • Hey Macca,

                      Maybe the difference is the ALP bought in a Carbon Tax instead of an ETS.

                      Commenter
                      beasleyst
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:15PM
                    • Beasleyest - If you actually looked past the name and saw the operation you would see it was a ETS with a fixed price period.

                      Commenter
                      Macca75
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:33PM
                    • Woman. The 3000 businesses will be paying the extra tax, whether they employ women...or not. So, I don't follow your point. Please explain.

                      Commenter
                      Facts are
                      Location
                      Brisbane
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:41PM
                  • Kev seems to be saying the following quite a bit:

                    "I've been in a few tight spots before and I've managed to fight a way forward," he said. "I intend to fight my way forward."

                    When is a journo going to finally put him on the spot and ask "Like when"?

                    Last time he was in a tight spot in 2010 he meekly resigned rather than facing ballot of his own party and then went about the cowardly undermining of his own party.

                    He is a fraud.

                    Commenter
                    Carlo
                    Location
                    Elwood
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:23PM
                    • And in the other corner, we have Tony Abbott. Tony Abbott lost the last election, but insisted on remaining the LNP leader even though he knows the voters prefer Malcom Turnbull.

                      Don't be too sure about the arrogant, self-centred Abbott becoming PM.

                      Commenter
                      Sharron
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 2:29PM
                    • Sharron...The LNP got MORE votes than the ALP in the 2010 election.

                      Commenter
                      RJ
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 2:53PM
                    • Sharon, Tony Abbott almost won the unwinnable election last time - first term governments rarely get thrown out.

                      Further, Abbott did not lose, he tied. And his party chose to keep him as leader afterwards - unlike labor who dumped Krudd, then Gillard.

                      Finally, Abbott has kept a united team for four years.

                      There has been far more stability from the opposition than from the government. If the coalition wins it because under Tony Abbott they have shown themselves to be a better and more stable alternative.

                      Commenter
                      kp
                      Location
                      brisbane
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:02PM
                    • @Sharon, just to complete your bollocking, LNP voters do not prefer Turnbull to Abbott, labor voters might, but who cares about those simpletons.

                      Commenter
                      Prickly
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:51PM
                  • So Kevin Baker, according to Tony Abbott, has "adjusted" his behaviour has "changed" and has apologised about his links to pornography.

                    And, according to Tony Abbott, the matter doesn't need anymore attention. Could we expect anything less from Tony Abbott? No. Has Tony Abbott changed? No.

                    Commenter
                    Sharron
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:22PM
                    • There you go except porn, but don't talk about abortion, spoken like the true hypocrite Abbott is.

                      Commenter
                      Pen of hrba
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 3:01PM
                  • PPL needs to be generous. Not simply because people shouldn’t have to take a pay cut to go on leave or that only a very small percentage of the work force are actually earning the minimum wage. It needs to be generous to address long term gender inequality problems that are structural in our society. We need to make a structural change to make a difference. Women are historically and presently under represented in the highest quintile of income earners. Woman with dependent children have statistically a very low chance (almost no chance) of being part of the highest quintile of earners.* having a partner or not makes bugger all difference the greatest determinant of female poverty is ‘dependent children’. The framework is wrong. The labour market has failed and requires intervention. As a society we must protect and enhance the ability of woman to be represented in the top quintile of wage earners. It is never a good time for transformative change agendas but we must address the structural problem that woman with dependent children face in becoming high income earners. Not asking women to take a pay cut to drop right down to the minimum wage when they decide to produce a dependent child is a solid first step. In time this gender equity initiative will no doubt enjoy by partisan support.

                    * 4102.0 - Australian Social Trends, 2008 abs.gov.au

                    Commenter
                    Cwitty
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    August 20, 2013, 2:18PM
                    • Think I've worked out how the Coalition are going to balance the budget.

                      Selling off Government assets.

                      It's the next step. Government land sold off to developers. Building turned into apartment blocks.

                      Commenter
                      Rod
                      Location
                      the Coast
                      Date and time
                      August 20, 2013, 2:16PM
                        • Thus potentially increasing housing supply and helping remedy the current housing bubble. Great idea. I'll vote for that.

                          Commenter
                          dcs
                          Location
                          Brisbane
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:27PM
                        • Where is your proof?
                          Like the ALP/Union add with the woman in the kitchen, get the irony is that, she says that Abbott will sack teachers and nurses. Where does the Federal Govt employ teachers and nurses?
                          The first truth about ALP/Union adds is they are all based on a lie.

                          Commenter
                          terry
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:29PM
                        • The Queensland LNP newman government is now outsourcing Queensland's hospital system to the Catholic Church.

                          Commenter
                          J. Fraser
                          Location
                          Queensland
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:35PM
                        • At least they can get a payroll right, J. Fraser. Ever stayed at the Mater?..terrific service.Had both my children at the Mater Private and an emergency stay at the Public...lovely...and they don't even care if you aren't Catholic, don't even ask....go figure.

                          Commenter
                          thereisnoyouinLabor
                          Location
                          Brisbane
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:48PM
                        • J,Fraser

                          A crucifix above every bed? Only in Queensland?

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:58PM
                        • @ Terry

                          Sorry can't provide the proof at this stage it's hidden away with the policy costings. It makes sense.

                          If you are not going to raise taxes for anyone, or increase the GST and no one is going to be worse off, because of the cuts. It's the only way. It's been done before.

                          Commenter
                          Rod
                          Location
                          the Coast
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 3:08PM
                      • So, why is it that the National Foundation for Australian Women are not criticising RGR's PPL scheme which is substantially less generous, that women are not entitled to be paid at repalcement wages whilst on maternity leave, and where, for the last 6 ears, RGR has sbeen looking after the entire childcare environment.

                        Commentators seem to forget that the same eligibility criteria as what R PPL scheme is relying upon, is also being used by the Coalition, yet if it is a TA scheme, it's bad, but if it's an RGR scheme, then it's all good.

                        RGR essentially stands for an unlevel playing field when it comes to PPL, yet demands that employers pay penalty rates, etc in what is essentially now a 24/7 economy. No wonder an increasing proportion of business /small businesses, etc are simply choosing to shut down on weekends. It costs them, they get no support, and the Goverment simply keeps on clobbering them.

                        RGR, big government, but no people.

                        But then again, RGR was quick to up the PM's salary to >$500,000 when Howard's salary back in 2007 was $350,000.

                        Commenter
                        Grant
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        August 20, 2013, 2:08PM
                        • One is amused by how 50-50 is "Australians are equally divided between the major parties" but a shift of just 4% of voters becomes "all Australians hate Labor and love Abbott" in the eyes of some.

                          It's all pretty marginal. 2%, 3%, 4% of voters changing their minds one way or the other is not "everybody" despite the way journalists and commenters tend to talk.

                          Commenter
                          Arky
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:02PM
                          • The bookies think the favourite is going to win while all the time hoping the long shot will get up and help the battlers.

                            Bookies usually live in mansions.

                            Commenter
                            J. Fraser
                            Location
                            Queensland
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:07PM
                          • excellent point

                            Commenter
                            Jitterry
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:26PM
                          • Unfortunately, the popular trend or vote by the public effects the odds not the bookies. Bookies raise the price on a dead a horse(Labor) to try and entice more money out of the idiot public and lower it when they are exposed to a "sure thing''(Coalition) But sometimes they loose.They don't care about the ''Battler''I know where the smart money is on this election.

                            Commenter
                            den3ng
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:28PM
                        • The breaking news regarding the boat capsizing off Christmas island is indeed an unfolding tragedy. The news on this occurring has not yet been posted in the media section at Border Protection Command.

                          Since Sunday, there have been 4 new boat arrivals in Australian waters, including today's rapidly unfolding crisis.

                          Those boats contained 223 (Sunday), 51 (Sunday), 131 (Monday) and 105 today.

                          That's 510 arrivals, received in or in serious distress, in the last 48 hours and takes the numbers since the 19th July announcement, to well above 3,000.

                          Commenter
                          Grant
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 2:01PM
                          • Grant, I am sure Rudd will tell us about it on the TV tonight.

                            Commenter
                            thepres
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:07PM
                          • Highlighting the fact that we really need to de-politicise the issue, and work towards a robust bipartisan solution - one that is owned by both major parties.

                            Commenter
                            pseudomys
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:15PM
                          • Look, there is only one practical solution to stopping the deaths, like it or or not the boats and passengers must be returned to Indonesia. How? See my post to J. Fraser.

                            Commenter
                            Pen of hrba
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:15PM
                          • A word of warning.

                            Don't bother seeing the post from "Pen of hrba".

                            He's just talking about throwing democracy out the window and having 20 year mandatory prison sentences.

                            No trial, no Jury .... just lock people up.

                            Hope he's not breeding.

                            Commenter
                            J. Fraser
                            Location
                            Queensland
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:30PM
                          • pseudomys

                            We had a system that worked. It was called the Pacific Solution. It worked well till Rudd got hold of it and destroyed it allowing over 50,000 boat people to arrive and over 1,300 drownings.
                            All of this was caused by Rudd and the ALP with the help of the Greens who will not accept responsibility for the damage they have helped cause. They blame everyone else and everything other than admitting they stuffed it up.

                            Commenter
                            terry
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:35PM
                          • Grant the most "interesting" but distrubing development in the asylum seeker "thing" is that we are seeing an increasing number of vessels......capsizsing and sending a distress signal so Abbotts turn them around sorta looks a shot duck hey ?

                            Though he may deploy HMAS Rankin ( Collins class sub) to retreive them from the bottom of the sea

                            Commenter
                            Buffalo Bill
                            Location
                            Sydneys Northshore
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:41PM
                          • @"terry"

                            What "damage" would that be ?

                            Looking for a better life perhaps ?

                            Looking for freedom perhaps ?

                            Commenter
                            J. Fraser
                            Location
                            Queensland
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:42PM
                          • terry

                            it doesn't count as a bipartisan solution if one party says "do it my way or there'll be no agreement". The Pacific Solution didn't work for a range of reasons - but foremost among them because it didn't account for the range of views on this complex issue.

                            To pretend that asylum seekers will stop arriving purely based on Australian policy is farcical - there are simply too many regional and international factors at work.

                            We need a truly bipartisan solution that is embraced by the entire parliament, and to de-politicise this as soon as possible.

                            Commenter
                            pseudomys
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:48PM
                          • Yepp, and according to Tony Burke the new PNG policy is working... what a complete and utter joke!

                            Commenter
                            Rob
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:52PM
                          • thepres,

                            Rudd only does the "cool and groovy" stuff! Questions on bad news must go to others.

                            Commenter
                            beasleyst
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 3:25PM
                        • Why is it that we have huge complaints about the LNP paying maternity leave on $150k salaries (minority), and I don't think anyone has acknowledged the majority of women that earn between $30k and $65k will actually be much better off under the LNP PPL scheme.

                          Commenter
                          beasleyst
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 1:52PM
                          • The issue is more that while the libs cut things like the low income super rebate and the school kids bonus and talk of budget crisis they are pay people who are already well off $75k to have a baby.

                            It is redirecting scarce tax revenue to exactly the opposite of who should be getting it.

                            Commenter
                            Macca75
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 1:55PM
                          • Exactly, Australians are so quick to say "but she gets more", instead of "I get more" than they would get under the ALP plan.

                            Commenter
                            notlad
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 1:56PM
                          • Macca,

                            And who contributes more of that "scarce" tax revenue Macca?
                            The majority of women that will get the benefit of this PPL get paid far less than $150k pa, so why don't we just be happy for them!

                            Commenter
                            beasleyst
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:03PM
                          • Notlad - It's not about "she gets more" it's about "should the govt be supporting someone earning $150k or above?

                            And when the govt is cutting payments to lower income earners because they "can't afford them" why is this extravagence tolerated?

                            Commenter
                            Macca75
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:07PM
                          • Macca,

                            If you want to see "extravagance" take a look at the Public Service benefits paid to their employees regardless of salary.

                            This PPL helps small business compete on benefits for employees.

                            Commenter
                            beasleyst
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:12PM
                          • Beasleyst - The GST and corporations tax contribute a fair bit but yes the higher the income the more tax you pay, that is how the system works which is why it is ridiculous for Abbott to cut benefits to low income earners to fund benefits to high income earners (and the PPL is just 1 such policy) it is the exact opposite of how the system should work.

                            Scarce tax revenue needs to be distributed to the greatest need and high income earning mothers to be don't fit that category.

                            And if Abbott capped his policy at say $40k per 6 months he would find it much more popular and it would still benefit the majority of women and probably still be excessive.

                            Commenter
                            Macca75
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:17PM
                          • Stephanie - Peter Beattie seems MIA. Haven't heard much or seen any happy snaps of him around the campaign trail over the past couple of days. Can you check that he's still got a pulse and wasn't used as a puppet to puff up the Ruddster.

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:26PM
                          • beasleyst

                            So Abbott will take 1,5% off through a reduction in comapny tax yet he will impose a 1.5% levy tax or whatever its called.
                            business doesnt like it (BCA) there is growing internal LNP rumblings, somethiong is unravelling as we speak

                            Then its going to be running at $5.5bil per year + how is this sustainable into tomorrow and indeed beyond especially when he is cutting off revenue and indeed revenue is falling, so i guess if Abbott will not cut services hahahaha he will have to raise something somewhere wonder what that something will be from where ?

                            And BTW its not going to start til 2015...but will it actually start then?

                            For me the ALPs is not as generous i will concede that but it is more sustainable but it is good to know that the ALP are the parents of the PPL scheme
                            Watch this space I say

                            Commenter
                            Buffalo Bill
                            Location
                            Sydneys Northshore
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:58PM
                        • "Turn back the boats".

                          Who was the idiot who thought of that ?

                          "Turn back the boats".

                          Who are the idiots who listen to that ?

                          Commenter
                          J. Fraser
                          Location
                          Queensland
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 1:50PM
                          • Well under your beloved ALP watch over 1,000 people have drowned and 40,000+ have arrived - the PNG solution - 2764 have arrived this month. The Rudd government has sent a few hundred to Manus Island - is this working for you J Fraser?

                            Commenter
                            Baltic13
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:05PM
                          • Do you have any answers Fraser?
                            Or are you just sniping from the sidelines again?

                            Commenter
                            beasleyst
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:05PM
                          • Drones in the air with real time video down link and radar capability, the rest is easy especially with satellite imagery downloaded to our border protection vessels and drones.

                            A few more high speed interception boats and we have a very high rate of boats intercepted and turned around. Crews photographed and their fingerprints taken followed by the issue of informal and formal warning of a mandatory 20 years imprisonment and boat destruction for any repeat offence.

                            The few that make it to Christmas Island place on board a vessel that tows their boat back to the border of Indonesian waters on good weather days, provide sufficient fuel to make harbour, place them back on boat, or if boat is considered unseaworthy sink it and place them in inflatable craft with outboard motors, and bid them bon voyage. Anyone threatening suicide handcuff them to boat.

                            Notify Indonesian authorities of precise location.

                            Make it clear to Indonesia that Indonesia made itself a transit country despite Australia not wanting people in transit. It is not incumbent on Australia to support in any way criminal activity conducted on Indonesian soil. We will support the financing of regional refugee centres along with our regional neighbours to help support the retinal refugee problem, but we will not allow anyone to enter Australia without due process.

                            There you go, Fraser pick the bones out of that.

                            Commenter
                            Pen of hrba
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:11PM
                          • @"Pen"

                            I see all your talk about democracy is just that.

                            20 year mandatory prison sentences.

                            Thank god you don't vote.

                            Commenter
                            J. Fraser
                            Location
                            Queensland
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 2:24PM
                          • J. Fraser,

                            Who was the idiot who thought of that ?

                            Good question the Labor spokesman on immigration, Senator Tony Mulvihill demanded in 1977 that Vietnamese refugee boats should be turned back by the Navy. He said an ALP government would reverse Fraser's open door policy on refugees, and make an example of refugee boats by returning them under a Navy escort.

                            Here's another idiot, Clyde Cameron during the 1977 election campaign said that “the only effective means of dealing with illegal immigrants would be to have them arrested and deported as soon as they land”

                            Who are the idiots who listen to that ?

                            Commenter
                            Michael
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 3:02PM
                          • @Michael

                            If they are on the 2013 election ballot I will not be voting for them.

                            Commenter
                            J. Fraser
                            Location
                            Queensland
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 3:10PM
                          • J Fraser

                            Did not realise that there was time limit on your question, in future if you only want the answer that you want, you should be more specific and define the question as "other than idiots from the Labor party who asked?", or "who in the years 2013 to 2103 asked?" Otherwise people would take you seriously and could also quote Bob Hawke, Gough other Labor politicians, Labor Premiers Labor Prime Ministers going back to Federation.

                            Commenter
                            Michael
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 3:27PM
                          • Pen,

                            Do wooden boats emit a radar signature just asking ?

                            Will the drones replace the PC3 Orions?

                            Oh taking of drones im so glad the silly "election now" cry from LNP supporters has stopped just like they will the boats hey ?

                            Commenter
                            Buffalo Bill
                            Location
                            Sydneys Northshore
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 3:29PM
                        • another capsized boat off of Christmas island - can Burke talk his way out of this one, I thought he had intelligence the boats were slowing, they have sped up!

                          Commenter
                          Genghis
                          Location
                          Lounge
                          Date and time
                          August 20, 2013, 1:47PM
                          • Actually, I was talking about the rich bastards that get $75,000 paid parental leave, to take 6 months off work, while most families would think it would be heaven to have $75,000 for 6 months of hard work.

                            Just because you have lots of money does not mean you worked hard. I find the hardest workers are those on low incomes that need to work two or three jobs. I for one would like to help those less fortunate than myself.

                            Commenter
                            Casa
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 1:45PM
                            • What's stopping you from helping those that are less well off? There's plenty of charities that could use some help.
                              You might also note that these higher earners are also paying higher taxes (and at higher proportional rates).
                              That said, I believe the scheme is too generous.

                              Commenter
                              Puzzled
                              Date and time
                              August 20, 2013, 2:00PM
                            • I can't do it alone!

                              Commenter
                              Casa
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              August 20, 2013, 2:57PM
                          • I am starting to like Tania Pilbersek, it is quite obvious to all - she cannot stand Rudd one bit.

                            Commenter
                            Genghis
                            Location
                            Lounge
                            Date and time
                            August 20, 2013, 1:43PM
                              • Wonder why she didn't resign like many of her colleagues who couldn't stomach working with Rudd?

                                Commenter
                                Tim of Altona
                                Date and time
                                August 20, 2013, 3:15PM
                            • RGR's answer to most things is to spend, spend, spend.

                              Look back to May10, the the 4 years since, and RGR was predicting cumulative deficits of $48B, including $40B for 2010/11.

                              Look now at ES13, and for the same 4-year period, 2010/11 through 2013/14, and the cumulative deficits exceed $140B.

                              That's a $92B, 4-ye RGR deterioration, despite many new taxes being in place.

                              But whereas when this is faced by household, they go out and find 2nd jobs (RGR = 2nd taxes, etc), tighten their belts (RGR = spend up big on shiny new things), and economise by trimming their spending habits, etc (RGR = increase spending, laterally and personally).

                              In a deteriorating federal setting, RGR have added $92B in cumulative deficits over and above their May10 forecasts, in 4 years, whilst adding 20,000 public servants to their bottom line.

                              Instead of managing the economy fectively and efficiently, RGR has been condemning it like the veritable bull let loose in a china store.

                              Of course Abbott is going to have to attack wasteful spending, the bloated lic ervice and like. But if by chance RGR does get back in, they will have to do exactlyhe same, or the deficit plans for the next 4 years will mirror those in reality of the last 4.

                              RGR, that's for BID TAXING, BIG SPENDING, BIG DEFICITS, LITTLE IMPROVEMENT.

                              It's the headache you have when uou wake up and everything else about you still remains a blur.

                              Commenter
                              Grant
                              Location
                              Mitcham
                              Date and time
                              August 20, 2013, 1:42PM
                              • "Tony Abbott is considering the future of the Coalition's candidate in the NSW seat of Charlton, Kevin Baker, who has been running an unsavoury website featuring sexist and racist material."

                                For God's sake don't tell Jool's, she'd have the flash house sold by 2.00 pm and be back in Canberra before one could say misogamy.

                                Commenter
                                Pen of hrba
                                Date and time
                                August 20, 2013, 1:39PM
                                • He should be considering the future of a few more, some in high places.

                                  Commenter
                                  A country gal
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 1:47PM
                                • Pen - A Labor candidate swore at a fellow councilor who just happenned to be disabled 12 years ago and it was front page news of the Murdoch papers and he got disendorsed.

                                  Where is the outcry on this Liberal candidate?

                                  Commenter
                                  Macca75
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 1:49PM
                              • Great photo at 1:30pm.

                                Commenter
                                Lewis
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                August 20, 2013, 1:36PM
                                • yep, Note it appears Abbott is wearing his "collar" and "frock" very apt, bit too descriptive of his other self.
                                  Anyone heard from Pell lately?

                                  Commenter
                                  A country gal
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 1:45PM
                                • sure does look like that just as sure as Atheism is the new religion

                                  Commenter
                                  Genghis
                                  Location
                                  Lounge
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 1:59PM
                                • Keep trying ACG..discrimination on religious grounds is pretty ugly stuff and I wonder if you'd do the same to a Muslim MP..or perhaps you can have a go at Pen of hrba who mentions he is of the Jewish faith. Christians are such easy targets for shallow minded cowards. Not having any religion of my own I still find it distasteful to hear others using religious discrimination as a basis for their hatred.

                                  Commenter
                                  thereisnoyouinLabor
                                  Location
                                  Brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 2:13PM
                                • Thereisnou, look again at the pic objectively and think again re his history.
                                  As for Pell, well his MIA is obvious isn't it.
                                  So, no this is not bias (this time) a mere observation.
                                  Even Kevin came close to a similar one but not so mystical with the reflection.

                                  Commenter
                                  A country gal
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 3:38PM
                              • Each one of Kevin Rudd's and the ALP's election "promises" need to be described as "admissions of past negelect". This is because unlike Tony Abbott and the Coalition, Rudd and the ALP have been in government for the past 6 years and should have implemented or at least started all the programs that support these new "promises".

                                Commenter
                                ktel
                                Location
                                NSW
                                Date and time
                                August 20, 2013, 1:30PM
                                • Can somebody please remind Rudd how many schoolls he and his new Bestie Peter Beattie closed down? Please? Anyone?

                                  He can say anything without any fact nor recollection. It is bewildering that the Journos are not doing their job. just blindingly accepting this drivel. It should be compulsory for all voters to check vote checker......

                                  Commenter
                                  ALP Amnesia
                                  Location
                                  Brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  August 20, 2013, 1:27PM
                                  • The Greens have missed an opportunity for a media grab. Three wrecked ships have been found off the Great Barrier Reef. Wrecked in the 1800s apparently, but don't let that get in the way. Admonish the owners in the loudest possible manner, and preferably on the 6pm news thanks. Call for a Royal Commission and funding for more research!!!

                                    Commenter
                                    Facts are
                                    Location
                                    Brisbane
                                    Date and time
                                    August 20, 2013, 1:19PM
                                    • Facts are - I am surprised the Libs aren't blaming it on Labor failing to protect our borders.

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:27PM
                                    • Excellent idea Macca.

                                      Commenter
                                      Facts are
                                      Location
                                      Brisbane
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:42PM
                                    • Macca75- Silly comment!

                                      Commenter
                                      JJ
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:52PM
                                  • The Prime Minister: Address to the Nation (If only)

                                    My fellow Australians. I address you now to acknowledge my shame for the part I have played in this country's response to asylum seekers.

                                    I and my Party have failed to provide any moral compass to our people in this matter. Indeed we have led the way at times in penalising, even dehumanising, those desperate people who have found our way to our shores in search of refuge from persecution and life-threatening situations.

                                    I am ashamed of what we have done and what we have failed to do.

                                    I am ashamed that we have allowed, even encouraged, our people to turn away from their natural goodness, tolerance, and generosity to support the harsh and inhuman policies of their, of my, government.

                                    I am ashamed that we, one of the richest nations on earth, have declared that no asylum seeker, whatever their desperate plight, will ever be allowed to join us in the citizenship and opportunities built up by many generations of migrants.

                                    As of this moment I repudiate the measures I and my Party have taken to turn our backs on genuine asylum seekers. We will redouble our efforts to work with our neighbouring countries to establish an orderly migration process for asylum seekers.

                                    We will do everything possible to discourage asylum seekers from undertaking a perilous sea voyage to reach a refuge here.

                                    If defeated in the coming election, our Labor Party will not go down in history with a reputation blackened by the memory of policies untrue to all our basic values.

                                    Commenter
                                    mickie
                                    Location
                                    wentworth falls
                                    Date and time
                                    August 20, 2013, 1:18PM
                                    • It really is amazing that "Pen of hrba", who apparently doesn't vote could have so much to say about politics in Australia.

                                      Just goes to show how good Australians have it.

                                      And why so many people would like to share it with us.

                                      Commenter
                                      J. Fraser
                                      Location
                                      Queensland
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:16PM
                                      • I repeat: give me one good reason why any thinking person would depreciate democracy by voting for politicians who lie, conspire, withhold vital information from voters and are anything but ethical?

                                        Personally I cannot think of one, so the only conclusion is?

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 1:33PM
                                      • J.Fraser, your latest comment "I would be only too happy to answer every question of yours that I could". OK how about answering the question I have asked you many times, I look forward to an answer "Why did 7 Labor frontbencher refuse to serve under Rudd, leaving Labor with substandard ministers?'

                                        Commenter
                                        thepres
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 1:40PM
                                    • A great question in Michael Pascoe's article: why is the PPL different for stay-at-home dads?

                                      Commenter
                                      pseudomys
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:07PM
                                      • Because Dads don't have to recover from childbirth, both physically and mentally..because dads can't breastfeed..because in all the animal kingdom to which we belong..little babies belong with their mothers. Like it or lump it..its the truth.

                                        Commenter
                                        thereisnoyouinLabor
                                        Location
                                        Brisbane
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 1:41PM
                                      • A nice try, but not really convincing.

                                        If mothers want or need to go back to work, there's no reason why fathers, in this day and age, can't become the primary caregivers.

                                        Commenter
                                        pseudomys
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 4:31PM
                                    • “During his years as Employment Minister under John Howard, Mr Abbott never made any attempt to introduce a paid parental leave scheme. He is on record as opposing it.”
                                      In 2002, he told a Liberal Party function in Victoria:
                                      “Compulsory paid maternity leave? Over this Government’s dead body, frankly.”

                                      Commenter
                                      Steeden
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:05PM
                                      • Politician changes his position after ten years. Alert the media!

                                        They are meant to represent and implement the will of the nation. Perhaps (like stated this morning with the NDS) he now considers it's time has come.

                                        And if you say that it is just because there are votes in it, isn't that therefore representing the will of the nation?

                                        Commenter
                                        dcs
                                        Location
                                        Brisbane
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 2:31PM
                                    • I like the picture of Kevin Rudd making sausage sandwiches for the Nyanda High School children this morning. He's got the sauce bottle firmly grasped and giving it a fair shake. Guess the ids would have missed the irony of the whole event.

                                      Commenter
                                      Billnix
                                      Location
                                      Western Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 20, 2013, 1:03PM
                                      • "Louis Cypher" and "Pen of hrba".

                                        "Two nations between whom there is no intercourse and no sympathy; who are as ignorant of each other's habits, thoughts, and feelings, as if they were dwellers in different zones, or inhabitants of different planets. The rich and the poor."
                                        Benjamin Disraeli

                                        Commenter
                                        J. Fraser
                                        Location
                                        Queensland
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 12:58PM
                                        • J.Fraser, what is that all about?.
                                          Turn on the radio and listen to Shorten at the Press Club, another Labor hack not answering the questions.

                                          Commenter
                                          thepres
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:07PM
                                        • @"thepres"

                                          Turn on your own mind and understand that I do not control answering your perennial questions.

                                          The deity you should look to is the Moderator of Fairfax Media.

                                          I would be only too happy to answer every question of yours that I could.

                                          Commenter
                                          J. Fraser
                                          Location
                                          Queensland
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:20PM
                                        • "Yes, I am a Jew, and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon" (Benjamin Disraeli).

                                          Disraeli obviously had no understanding of history either?

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:20PM
                                        • @"Pen"

                                          "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct."
                                          Benjamin Disraeli

                                          Commenter
                                          J. Fraser
                                          Location
                                          Queensland
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:28PM
                                        • Actually I am correct, The Temple of Solomon is myth as his the Davidic Empire. The stories are embedded in metaphoric language and not to be understood as literal truth.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:47PM
                                        • @"Pen"

                                          I was referring to Disraeli.

                                          Think its about time you hopped down of your high horse.

                                          Commenter
                                          J. Fraser
                                          Location
                                          Queensland
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 1:57PM
                                        • Laugh of the day..J.Fraser dictating to another to get off his high horse.

                                          Commenter
                                          thereisnoyouinLabor
                                          Location
                                          Brisbane
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 2:26PM
                                      • Christ Almighty - does anyone even begin to believe this lying crap? Each one is trying to outdo the other with half-baked schemes to appeal to whatever special interest group is flavour of the month. Day after the election every single promise will be forgotten, the boats will keep on coming and life goes on as normal.

                                        Commenter
                                        Hertz Van Rental
                                        Location
                                        Warwick
                                        Date and time
                                        August 20, 2013, 12:53PM
                                        • I do not want to see the GST raised. 10% is fair. Anymore is a way for the elite to feather their nest. Don't fall for the rich bastards siren calls. Rupert Murdoch has a lot of power and can make something that will benefit him look good to you. Beware!

                                          Commenter
                                          Casa
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:52PM
                                          • Ummm...really Casa? how would a higher GST benefit private industry? Do you actually KNOW how the GST works?????

                                            Commenter
                                            RJ
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:18PM
                                          • I was talking about the effect individuals, not business.

                                            Commenter
                                            Casa
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:26PM
                                          • Do you mean the rich bastards who did not see a cent from the government handouts after the GFC, the rich bastards who get nothing in support for price increases due to the Carbon Tax, you mean the rich bastards who actually do pay some tax and not get more back in handouts than they contribute, you mean the rich bastards who probably employ you while their house is mortgaged and pay 12% interest to run their small business because the banks say its commensurate to their risk, probably the same rich bastards that while you enjoy your weekend they are still working to make ends meet.

                                            Commenter
                                            Peter G
                                            Location
                                            Drummoyne
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:27PM
                                          • Private industry doesn't pay GST. They apply GST on top of their products and services and hold onto the money until Mr Taxman wants it. Whenever private industry purchases products and services, they claim the GST against the GST that they are waiting to provide to Mr Taxman.

                                            So private industry don't pay GST. But you, the individual, do. The rich, who operate though companies aren't impacted much by GST, but they will get the interest on any extra GST while waiting to remit to the tax man, and you will be paying their share of tax.

                                            Commenter
                                            Tone
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:53PM
                                          • Actually, I was talking about the rich bastards that get $75,000 paid parental leave, to take 6 months off work, while most families would think it would be heaven to have $75,000 for 6 months of hard work.

                                            Just because you have lots of money does not mean you worked hard. I find the hardest workers are those on low incomes that need to work two or three jobs. I for one would like to help those less fortunate than myself.

                                            Commenter
                                            Casa
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 2:05PM
                                          • PeterG, yes those rich bastards that can afford to live without government handouts because, well, they're rich.

                                            Mind you, the middle class shouldn't need handouts either.

                                            Most of Australia's truly wealthy inherited a huge proportion of their money. They are also notorious for not being very philanthropic.

                                            Commenter
                                            Tone
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 2:13PM
                                        • Sharron, When you say " Doesn't say much for the LNP's credibility when they keep the past failed leader as their PM candidate". What about Rudd who was turfed out by his Labor colleagues, then brought back again because they had nobody else. Then half the frontbench refused to work with Rudd.
                                          One of the priceless things is the look on Plibersek face as she watches Rudd waving his arms around and making a fool of himself.
                                          Just listening to Shorten at the Press Club, he has come up with a new phrase "Educating Century" and he said it 8 times in 68 seconds.

                                          Commenter
                                          thepres
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:40PM
                                          • Has the "Education Revolution" stopped revolting?

                                            Has it given birth to a new slogan?

                                            Commenter
                                            Louis Cypher
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:54PM
                                          • thepres, when did 'midnight stab in the back' become 'turfed out by his colleagues'? And even the so-called professional journalists are buying the LNP spin.

                                            Commenter
                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:59PM
                                          • an important part of education is learning about honesty Bill.

                                            Commenter
                                            Genghis
                                            Location
                                            Lounge
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:04PM
                                          • After talking about history and Michael Clarke and love of children I think Bill modelled his speech on this famous Whitney song

                                            I believe the children are our future
                                            Teach them well and let them lead the way
                                            Show them all the beauty they possess inside
                                            Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
                                            Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

                                            Everybody's searching for a hero
                                            People need someone to look up to
                                            I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs
                                            A lonely place to be
                                            And so I learned to depend on me

                                            Commenter
                                            Genghis
                                            Location
                                            Lounge
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:13PM
                                          • Agree, the look on Tania Plibersek's face and her body language says it all. She is bored to death with the antics of her leader and probably understands it will lead them nowhere. I feel sorry for her. She should have remained loyal to Julia Gillard and quit the front bench. Now she's standing on the deck of the Titanic next to her captain as the ship sinks. If I remember correctly the Captain went down with his ship (he was a courageous and faithful officer). I wonder if Captain Rudd will do the same?

                                            Commenter
                                            Billnix
                                            Location
                                            Western Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:14PM
                                          • The shorten revolution.

                                            Commenter
                                            Genghis
                                            Location
                                            Lounge
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:25PM
                                        • If Tony Abbott's PPL scheme was actually being proposed by the ALP, it would be lauded as visionary and essential, a la Gonski and Disability Care.

                                          Because it isn't, it's too expensive and overkill.

                                          Go figure.

                                          Commenter
                                          Alternate View
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:35PM
                                          • AV, it wouldn't be proposed by the ALP because as it is currently constructed it is biased towards middle class welfare for high earning mums to be.

                                            Like the FBT rort that your Tony is so desperate to protect, the people who make the most out of it are the people who are the best off.

                                            Commenter
                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:57PM
                                          • Which political party proposing it doesn't change the fact that it is too expensive and overkill.

                                            Commenter
                                            Lewis
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:58PM
                                          • So you're saying big business would support it if the ALP had proposed it?

                                            Commenter
                                            tasch2
                                            Location
                                            Mornington Peninsula
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:58PM
                                          • I'm struggling, but if rich mums say they want more, who am I to disagree?

                                            Commenter
                                            Casa
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:04PM
                                          • Alternate View - If it was proposed by the ALP it would be derided as something akin to socialism and putting an unfair burden on the tax payer and business in particular, Mudoch papers would be savaging it.
                                            Hypocrisy isn't just the domain of the left, just look atthe emmissions trading scheme - classic liberal party policy opposed by the liberal party.

                                            Commenter
                                            Macca75
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:12PM
                                          • Think you might find it's the other way around.
                                            Anything put forward by the ALP and Greens is labelled as waste, however any idea put forward by the Coalition is investing in the Community. eg Tony Abbott recently announced a grant to a football club.
                                            Joe Hockey would call this "waste"

                                            Commenter
                                            Rod
                                            Location
                                            the Coast
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 2:11PM
                                          • Exactly, could not agree more ...

                                            Commenter
                                            ET
                                            Location
                                            Lakesland
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 2:27PM
                                          • But strangely supported in form by the Unions.

                                            Commenter
                                            Michael
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 2:42PM
                                        • Just when you thought the laughter had eased :

                                          http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/campbell-newman-backs-abbotts-parental-leave-scheme-20130820-2s87k.html

                                          Commenter
                                          J. Fraser
                                          Location
                                          Queensland
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:34PM
                                          • J.Fraser, the latest odds Libs $1-00 Labor $7-00, the only chance Labor supporters have now is to take a quinella.

                                            Commenter
                                            thepres
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:52PM
                                        • "Mr Abbott has arrogantly concluded he has already won the election..."

                                          I'll have ten bucks on that bit of Rudd wisdom. But I sure has hell refuse to vote for either of them.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:28PM
                                          • Abbott will win the election but it will not be a win for Abbott but a win for the one eyed media.

                                            Commenter
                                            Grey Nomad
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:32PM
                                          • So that tells me you must be a member of the PUP. If that's the case you will have to change your name to Puppie of hrba.

                                            Commenter
                                            Sharron
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:35PM
                                          • K Rudd can get a good price for himself.
                                            Centrebet
                                            Labor $7.00
                                            Coalition $1.10

                                            Commenter
                                            Facts are
                                            Location
                                            Brisbane
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:41PM
                                          • Can all you die hard ALP supporters get yourself down to TAB or hop online and support Rudd with your rent cheques on for the win......I need to get the LNP odds down a little

                                            Commenter
                                            The Other Waterhouse
                                            Location
                                            TAB
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:07PM
                                          • Sharon

                                            Sorry I could not bring myself down to the level of PUP, have you seen their climate change policy?

                                            Commenter
                                            Pen of hrba
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 1:26PM
                                        • 11:37am: Mr Rudd says the Labor campaign launch will be held in Brisbane "capital of the world".

                                          Who said the man is not delusional

                                          Commenter
                                          Genghis
                                          Location
                                          Lounge
                                          Date and time
                                          August 20, 2013, 12:26PM
                                          • Golly gosh ! ... I remember the good old days when "hacka", "SteveH." and even my own humble self were the golden children of the Fairfax Moderator.

                                            Now it's "Pen of hrba" with his quasi religious anti right, anti left, anti green, anti whatever !

                                            But pro nuclear.

                                            Commenter
                                            J. Fraser
                                            Location
                                            Queensland
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:25PM
                                            • Ahh, Fraser

                                              Sentimentalising over a "golden" age

                                              Fantasising about being a member of a star- chamber of select brethren.

                                              Hardly "Labor values"

                                              What next?

                                              Is there an ambivalent right -winger about to leap from the closet?

                                              Commenter
                                              Louis Cypher
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 12:39PM
                                            • Yeah... I know what you mean. I too miss the pithy comments of old.

                                              Commenter
                                              Lewis
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 12:44PM
                                            • What you are saying is be a dullard and vote for Labor lies, or be a gullible twit and vote for Coalition lies, or go with Fairyland under the Moon and go with the Greens.

                                              Seriously do I strike you as a fool. No you don't have to answer that. And yes the latest nuclear technology is far safer than using coal to generate power.

                                              No there was nothing wrong with the reactors in Japan, they were simply put in the wrong place.

                                              Commenter
                                              Pen of hrba
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 12:53PM
                                            • Don't confuse "golden children" with "frequent flyers" Fraser.

                                              Commenter
                                              Hacka
                                              Location
                                              Canberra
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 1:01PM
                                            • Some honesty from Lewis.

                                              And far and away the best "Reply".

                                              Commenter
                                              J. Fraser
                                              Location
                                              Queensland
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 1:13PM
                                          • "This is not a piece of loose change," Mr Rudd says.

                                            Err, neither is Australian government debt to GDP ratio

                                            Commonwealth net debt: 10.6%

                                            State and local government net debt: 13.4%

                                            Public company net debt: 20.4%

                                            Public superannuation debt/liquid investments: 25%

                                            Result: gross debt: 43-45% realising around $500 billion.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pen of hrba
                                            Date and time
                                            August 20, 2013, 12:16PM
                                            • Are we there yet?

                                              Democracy should always be hand?

                                              Commenter
                                              Pen of hrba
                                              Date and time
                                              August 20, 2013, 12:10PM
                                                • Are you talking about the left "hand" or the right "hand".

                                                  Or are you the centre "hand".

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:18PM
                                                • The "invisible hand"?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  tasch2
                                                  Location
                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:27PM
                                                • J.Fraser

                                                  My finger slipped of the a and t keys. Democracy should always be at hand.

                                                  The right is as bad as the left, where the centre is I simply do not know. My best course is to steer clear of the whole sorry shambles. Meanwhile wish climate change was not accelerating as fast as it is. I suspect it is too late for the dreamers, Fraser, but you cannot say I did not try.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:36PM
                                                • "The Third Hand" walking down "The 39 Steps".

                                                  "Revenge of the third hand".

                                                  "Friday the third hand".

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:37PM
                                                • I suspect that you're adroit with either

                                                  hand , Fraser

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Louis Cypher
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:41PM
                                              • Don't get me started on Queen, God I loved that group, best ever.

                                                Commenter
                                                Pen of hrba
                                                Date and time
                                                August 20, 2013, 12:09PM
                                                • Since the election was called there has been no chance of anyone stopping you.

                                                  Once upon a time it appeared you were sleeping in until the afternoon.

                                                  Has your shift changed ?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:16PM
                                                • J.Fraser

                                                  Been retired many years, my garden and orchard dictate my shifts.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 12:38PM
                                              • "What are we great at in Australia? We are great at inventing stuff. What do we need to be better at? Commercialising stuff" (K.Rudd).

                                                Labor spent billions commercialising climate change. Meanwhile our CSIRO scientist created ground breaking technology in concentrated solar power generation (CSP).

                                                Australian solar efficiency derive from ground breaking solar reflector designed by ANU (Australian National University) called the SG4 500 m² paraboloidal solar concentrator.

                                                However, Labor’s commercialising resulted in foreign built wind turbine eyesores on the landscape, whirling around to produce 67% annual inefficiencies and no CSP?

                                                Commenter
                                                Pen of hrba
                                                Date and time
                                                August 20, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                • Liberal candidate Kevin Baker's off-colour website closed down after links to pornography..CANT WAIT TO HEAR ABBOTTS EXCUSE!!!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Steeden
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 11:47AM
                                                  • Abbott will brush it of with "he will adjust, change and grow".

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Sharron
                                                    Location
                                                    Canberra
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                  • Abbott's excuse for what - I don't think Abbott was involved in the website or its creation.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    kp
                                                    Location
                                                    brisbane
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 12:08PM
                                                  • Steeden, good old Labor mud-slinging again, I wish they were good at running the country instead.
                                                    It's funny I always thought that Labor stood for the workers, but we now find that unemployment is on the rise and it is 25% for the Youth of Australia.
                                                    Maybe you, J.Fraser and Tone can get together and let us know why Labor can allow this sort of thing.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    thepres
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 12:17PM
                                                  • steeden, I don't know if Rudd even will respond. Given recent saucy revelations in the fifth estate, yet no response from Labor or the MSM.
                                                    Perhaps they have some skeletons too. I suspect a back room deal.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    A country gal
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 12:45PM
                                                • Slogan alert.

                                                  "Culture of cuts"

                                                  KRudd, Desperation Rally, Qld

                                                  Gotta love the multi-faceted Labor spin

                                                  "Cut, cut, cut to the bone"

                                                  "Cut! , Cut! , Cut! ".

                                                  Must be the "New Way"

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Louis Cypher
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 20, 2013, 11:46AM
                                                    • When read "slogan alert" I knew it had to be one of your posts.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      tasch2
                                                      Location
                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:54AM
                                                    • A bit rich of a "Louis Cypher" commenting on slogans.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      J. Fraser
                                                      Location
                                                      Queensland
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                    • And that took you all morning to make up that "slogan"? Maybe that's why the LNP don't have any policies, because they can't think of any!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Sharron
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                    • J.Fraser

                                                      You have everyone's comments on record do you?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:06PM
                                                    • @Pen

                                                      Isn't "Louis Cypher" a slogan in itself ?

                                                      Much like "Pen of hrba".

                                                      Commenter
                                                      J. Fraser
                                                      Location
                                                      Queensland
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:14PM
                                                    • J. Fraser

                                                      hrba is not a slogan it the name of a person?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:40PM
                                                    • A combination of Euphemism and pedestrian pun,
                                                      actually !

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Louis Cypher
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                  • Kevin Rudd must surely be running out of school kids for his campaign by now.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Now you see him
                                                    Location
                                                    Soon you won't
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                    • He will have to return to South Park Soon

                                                      Commenter
                                                      4Ken
                                                      Location
                                                      Auburn
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:54AM
                                                    • There's none left because they're all on the Opposition front bench.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      tasch2
                                                      Location
                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:24PM
                                                    • Those poor school kids. Why won't anyone think of the school kids??!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      panda
                                                      Location
                                                      perth
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:26PM
                                                  • Kev's right - some people will make up their minds between now and casting their vote.

                                                    According to some research, about 10% of voters will walk into their polling station on election day undecided who to vote for. If the polls are both accurate and tight, say 52-48, then the choice this group make will decide the outcome.

                                                    So all this speculation that Abbott's got it in the bag is just speculation. Rudd could pull off an unlikely victory. It's a troubling thought.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Hacka
                                                    Location
                                                    Canberra
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 11:39AM
                                                    • I just want to see Kevy's tears of agony when he loses the election.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:48AM
                                                    • Oh deary me. Seriously? No disrespect intended to anyone, but if you have to wait for election "campaigns" before you decide who to vote for, one must have been very inattentive for the past few years.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Facts are
                                                      Location
                                                      Brisbane
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:18PM
                                                    • That would explain why polls this far out from election day are traditionally inaccurate. Only people who are pretty sure about their vote are likely to agree to be polled. Add to that the landline issue. Polls in the very last week are more accurate, but surprises can still happen. There is only one poll that counts!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Passionfruit
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:23PM
                                                    • Facts are - one suspects most commenters on this forum aren't in the "undecided" category, although perhaps there are some exceptions.

                                                      Labor are banking on the undecideds, although all those in the past few weeks that have made up their mind (based on Newspoll Rudd satisfaction ratings at least) have gone from "undecided" to "dissatisfied".

                                                      Which is why Rudd's net satisfaction rating is now below Abbott's.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Hacka
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:40PM
                                                    • That is why all political parties put so much effort into manning polling booths on election day. That 10% of undecided voters is crucial, particularly in marginal seats. It is common for 'paid' volunteers to give out how to vote cards at polling booths if the Party has insufficient followers who are prepared to spend a day handing out how to vote cards at the booths. In 2001 the One Nation Party used a number of Asian 'paid volunteers' to hand out how to vote cards in Lindsay. Many voters who thought the One Nation Party was anti-migrant and racist were gobsmacked to be handed One Nation how to vote cards by smiling young Asian volunteers who they thought must be One Nation supporters. Just don't believe what you see. In politics everyone does whatever it takes to win votes.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Billnix
                                                      Location
                                                      w
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                  • Peter G

                                                    Your argument is totally irrelevant, The issue I am addressing is the undermining of democracy by withholding vital information that voters need. You are assuming that everyone is sick of Labor, yet no poll shows this? However, even if it was the case it does not justify any party withholding information does it?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 20, 2013, 11:29AM
                                                    • Does Kevin Rudds wife always have to walk behind him?? it is very strange and old fashioned, some would say sexist!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Genghis
                                                      Location
                                                      Lounge
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:28AM
                                                      • Yes, what's he doing stealing another Liberal Policy

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tone
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:41PM
                                                    • Oh Dear.

                                                      Looks like Ruddy Boy has been spending too much time over at Hillsong Church. His sermon this morning to more school students had an almost biblesque tone to it. At one stage I thought he was getting ready to heal the sick and turn water into wine although we all know anything he touches only turns to crap.

                                                      All we needed were some "hallelujah brother's" thrown around and Plibersek walking around with a collection plate looking for donations to help fight the News Corp demons?

                                                      Amen.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Smokin Mo
                                                      Location
                                                      Ryde
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:25AM
                                                      • Courting Hillsong and Catch The Fire Ministries used to be the domain of Costello/Howard.
                                                        Where are the ultra religious zealots placing their prefs?
                                                        With the unprecented amount of zealot parties running that will be interesting. I'd bet with Abbott.
                                                        Remember God controls the climate. Black Saturday bush fires caused by liberal abortion laws.
                                                        I think you are way off the mark.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:40AM
                                                      • Gold pure Gold

                                                        Commenter
                                                        ultra
                                                        Location
                                                        Mel
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:42AM
                                                      • A country gal - I am not religious but to make a mockery of Black Saturday is immoral to all.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Genghis
                                                        Location
                                                        Lounge
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:47AM
                                                      • genghis, I didn't say that Danny Nulliah did.
                                                        Sorry I should have elaborated on the origin of that statement. It was vile. And I've never forgotten it.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                      • Smokin Mo

                                                        The recipe for turning water into wine is as follows.

                                                        Take a ladle full of Roman wine (concentrated like port) add water and you have turned water into wine as practised in the Middle East for centuries.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:01PM
                                                    • "I have grown, I have changed," Mr Abbott says.'"

                                                      Then in light of people voting today without knowledge forthcoming of Abbott's costing we are in a very shoddy place indeed, democratically speaking.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:21AM
                                                      • Which is nothing like those who would vote Labor - they can absolutely be assured that whatever their leaders rule out today will be implemented tomorrow.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Jimc
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:25AM
                                                      • You are aware that the Rudd campaign has not released the costings of their election promises either aren't you?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lewis
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:35AM
                                                      • Pen

                                                        People voted Labor .

                                                        Even when their costings were released the afternoon before the election in 2007 , in 2010

                                                        People will vote Labor in 2013.

                                                        Even when none of their previous costings have been proven to be accurate.

                                                        And the true blow out of the NBN is hidden on Albo's desk

                                                        There's no shortage of idiocy amongst the voting population, Pen.

                                                        Labor cultivates them.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Louis Cypher
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                    • So Abbott's new manipulation terms for his colleagues are "adjust" and "grow" and "change". Anyone who doesn't agree with Abbott will be charged with not being able to "adjust" to Abbott's royal wishes.

                                                      Tony Abbott has not "grown" and "changed" because as soon as this election campaign has ended, Abbott will be back to his old stand alone behaviour. Not one of Abbott's colleagues will be consulted. Tony Abbott will be Australia's worst prime minister if the LNP wins this election.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Sharron
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:18AM
                                                      • Or a matter of "who pays the ferryman".

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:30AM
                                                      • Don't know about that Sharron. Gillard and Rudd have set the standard for Australian PM's so low I doubt anyone else will be able to compete for the "worse PM ever" title.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Smokin Mo
                                                        Location
                                                        Ryde
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                      • Has Abbott passed on this bit of news to Murdoch?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Passionfruit
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:07PM
                                                    • The Liberal Party have a history of introducing regressive policies like WorkChoices and the GST, the biggest tax in Australia's history, that benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class.

                                                      They are making all sorts of promises in this campaign, and in the first term of government from them, I expect them to walk on egg shells so that they can introduce a whole lot of regressive policy in their second term of government.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tone
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:17AM
                                                      • The gst is the fairest tax we have wages and benefits were adjusted to help the low paid. And if you buy a table for $100 you pay $10 if you buy a table fro Italy at $10000 you pay $1000 in tax.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        ianf
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:32AM
                                                      • OMG !!
                                                        why dosent labour honour its promise made in early 2000's to abolish GST...
                                                        its a win win situation for govt, voting public and economy

                                                        Commenter
                                                        OMG
                                                        Location
                                                        LOL
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:37AM
                                                      • Tone, I just dont get what you are trying to say.GST/VAT are in most countries do you still have a brick as a mobile phone?
                                                        Facts are if you can not manage yourself how the hell can you manage Australia it is that cut & dry Tone.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        ultra
                                                        Location
                                                        Mel
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:38AM
                                                      • Tone, people in glass houses...

                                                        Labor's track record of government is abysmal, be it at state or federal level. When was the last time labor paid back any debt? How about the last time labor ran a budget surplus? How many times do labor break election promises straight after elections (carbon tax).

                                                        What is more interesting is when labor is in power employment in the public sector increases while employment in the private sector decreases. This is the opposite of the coalition who provide a platform for the private sector to create jobs.

                                                        Finally, labor cannot claim to be low taxing just because revenues dry up when they are in power. Revenues dry up because the government introduces policy which restricts private sector growth, therefore the private sector does not achieve profits which can then be taxed.

                                                        Labor is dysfunctional and directionless - just ask the former ministers who refuse to work with Krudd.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        kp
                                                        Location
                                                        brisbane
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                      • It's what they are NOT saying that alarms me Tone.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                      • @countrygal
                                                        dont worry
                                                        libs will honour the benchmark set by labour and release costings at 6PM on 6th of Sept..

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Hmm
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:50AM
                                                      • Thanks for all the responses. It must have hit a raw nerve there.

                                                        The GST is exceptionally unfair, because the poor and middle class pay considerably more as a percentage of their income for products and services than the rich. That is, the people with the least capacity to pay are charged the most tax relative to their income.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tone
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:54AM
                                                      • Tone, your desperation is showing through when you talk about GST and Workchoices, you have learnt nothing in the last 6 years.
                                                        Just to refresh your memory, do you remember when Gillard said "There will be no Carbon Tax", then as soon as Labor got in we had a Carbon Tax. How did you feel about then?.
                                                        Well the people are not stupid and they never forgive Labor for that.
                                                        25% Youth unemployment in the Western Suburbs of Sydney is another legacy of Labor, what happened to the promise of Trade Schools in every school, a bit like the promise of Medical Centres and Aboriginal Housing.
                                                        I have watched politics for many years and I can tell you that when a polly loses his cool during a press meeting, like Rudd did with Chris Uhlmann it is all over. Bill Shorten is another one ready to explode.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        thepres
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:03PM
                                                      • Nice try thepres, but the reality is simple. Labor's policies hit the rich as much as the poor - everyone shares the burden. The Liberals have a pattern of introducing these regressive policies that hit the poor hardest.

                                                        The Liberals have a pattern of introducing policies that cost most of us more and the rich less.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tom
                                                        Location
                                                        Canberra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:15PM
                                                      • Hmmm, not referring to costings, Referring to their regressive, repressive policies and implementations after the election if elected.
                                                        Very quiet on a myriad of things we know will occur.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:17PM
                                                      • Tone,

                                                        You've hit the nail on the head. The LNP push for regressive takes (to help to rich) and the ALP push for progressive taxes (to help the poor). To me, taxes are to help the poor, not the rich. Even though my salary puts me above average, I believe in social justice, so will be voting ALP.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Casa
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:48PM
                                                    • The Liberal Party's $70 billion dollar black hole is pretty big. It puts Labor's $184 billion dollars debt in perspective. Labor have only have about $3 billion dollars to add to that in this campaign, whereas the Liberals want to add a whopping $70 billion dollars, and they have no excuse - it's not even the GFC.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tom
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:12AM
                                                      • I have read this three times.

                                                        With each re-reading it becomes less coherent

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Louis Cypher
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:21AM
                                                      • still talking about that GFC, Europe is out of recession, America unemployment down, US stock market at all time highs, things have picked up around the world, only Australia has been stagnating, unemployment on the up, stock market going nowhere. Even China hasn't slowed much at all, from last reports they are on the up again. All the signs around the world show we should be booming?? please explain, didn't the pink batts, school halls and plasma tv send us to greater prosperity?? Queue - Chris Bowen - its the volatility. Well done Chris, you are on track to ruin another portfolio

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Genghis
                                                        Location
                                                        Lounge
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:26AM
                                                      • Hi Genghis, I think that was a CUE, not a QUEUE :)

                                                        The world is in far from wonderful condition, Europe is still very sick and now you need to worry about India

                                                        http://soberlook.com/2013/08/indias-crisis-brings-back-memories-of.html

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Norm
                                                        Location
                                                        Maroubra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                      • It's simple. We have a debt of certain level of debt. Each party is talking about increasing this level of debt by a certain amount.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Casa
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 12:56PM
                                                    • dcs

                                                      Why do you imply that I have a problem with Abbott alone. I have gone to great lengths to explain that both major parties are guilty of undermining democracy. It is simply against all democratic principles to keep voters in the dark when they are actually called upon to vote as they are today.

                                                      What is so difficult that you do not understand this principle?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 20, 2013, 11:12AM
                                                      • It is decidedly disturbing to read Rupert Murdoch’s claim: “Conviction politicians hard to find anywhere. Australia's Tony Abbott rare exception. Opponent Rudd all over the place convincing nobody.”

                                                        Murdoch influences the Australian media perhaps more than anyone, not so much from personal tweets, but within board rooms and expensive dining retreats in company with other influential executives who wish to chart a common cause. So should we be surprised that Murdoch does not condemn the practice of both parties in withholding costings even after people are actually voting? There is an urgent need for those like Rupert Murdoch to voice disapproval of this practice in no uncertain terms. However, Tony Abbott can hardly be a man of “conviction politics” when his conviction disallows learning of his party’s costings when people are voting. Clearly Rupert Murdoch understands that ethical convictions are far sounder than those of doubtful sincerity?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:04AM
                                                        • The vast majority of CEOs in the world would have fallen on their swords and quit ..... not Murdoch.

                                                          He closed down a newspaper and sacked most of the workers.

                                                          And now tells Australians how to vote.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          J. Fraser
                                                          Location
                                                          Queensland
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 11:08AM
                                                        • It may not be long before a number of former devotees of the Murdoch style of journalism become 'conviction' journalists.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 11:13AM
                                                        • Will be interesting if Tom Watson's visit has any impact or can get a message out.
                                                          See he is given a voice on Q&A.
                                                          He is a politician of conviction- to paraphrase Rup.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 11:23AM
                                                        • I don't vote according to what Rupert Murdoch says. I can't imagine that anyone would use Murdochs opinion as a basis for their political decision making.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Facts are
                                                          Location
                                                          Brisbane
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 12:30PM
                                                        • facts are, all of Murdoch's editors and journalists in Australia use his tweets to determine how they present politics in Australia.

                                                          You may not think the US citizen tells you how to vote, but he has a big impact on what you think the facts are when the 'facts' have been given the full treatment in Murdoch's sewage works (the only sewage works that treat clean facts with ordure and waste).

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 1:02PM
                                                        • So it's not OK to hold off your costings until 17 hours before the election.....like Rudd did in 2007. Glad that's been cleared up.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          BAG
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 4:36PM
                                                      • J.Fraser, $9,400. how does that equate with the waste Labor has created in the last 6 years. Don't answer straight away, talk it over with your union mates.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        thepres
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 20, 2013, 11:01AM
                                                          • The so-called waste is like the husband bawling out his wife for the high electricity bills because she left the light on in the bedroom for an hour.

                                                            We all have a small amount of waste in our lives- because we would waste more of our energy and time and money trying to eliminate it.

                                                            Only Liberals can banter this into the Great Big Waste Lie.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:12AM
                                                          • @"thepres"

                                                            Peter Slipper was charged over $1,194.

                                                            Go figure.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            J. Fraser
                                                            Location
                                                            Queensland
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:18AM
                                                          • That 'small amount of debt" all you pro-Labor supporters are happy with, while only a small percentage of GDP, is actually now at the level that it is close to being 100% of a full years government revenue.

                                                            To put that in terms Gillard and Rudd have used, it is like a person on $100,000 a year with a $100,000 debt. Not so bad you say?

                                                            The problem with this debt is that ALL of the revenue is already earmarked for spending leaving nothing to pay off the interest let alone the actual principal. Keep going this way and your grand-kids children will still be paying off the debt.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            BAG
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                        • J.Fraser, Good to see you back, you obviously have got over the drop in Rudd's popularity and realise that September 8th. is the day Australia says "No more Labor mess".
                                                          We all knew Rudd would not last long, just look at his body language, he is OK with the Kiddies but cannot get away with the con with grown-ups
                                                          Beattie was another flop for Rudd

                                                          Commenter
                                                          thepres
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 10:48AM
                                                          • J Fraser picked up his bat and ball and went home when his idol Gillard was dumped by the ALP, who got in before the voting public.

                                                            It will be interesting to see how JFraser goes supporting Rudd given his proclaimed dislike for him when Gillard was leader.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim of Altona
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                          • @"Tim of Altona"

                                                            When did you get back from your overseas holiday ?

                                                            How did you go with the exchange rate ?

                                                            Lose a bundle ?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            J. Fraser
                                                            Location
                                                            Queensland
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:59AM
                                                          • You have to understand where the bat and ball actually is?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:06AM
                                                          • I have said all along. Rudd only likes to be with children. Love to debate him, (without his notes). But I would have to go back to a childish mentality.

                                                            Sorry Mr Rudd but Australia needs someone with intelligence and a united team that he represents. Not a spoil t child running amok when the team went home 6 years ago!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            4Ken
                                                            Location
                                                            Auburn
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                          • @"Pen"

                                                            I know where the bullies are.

                                                            But I have never been cowed by them.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            J. Fraser
                                                            Location
                                                            Queensland
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                          • Rudd only damaged his own party. Abbott has and will continue to damage Australia.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                          • 4Ken - there is no truth in the rumor that Rudd's government car no. plate is changing from C1 to W1 (Wiggles 1)

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim of Altona
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                          • J Fraser where have you been cant you see so many have missed you!!!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            ultra
                                                            Location
                                                            Mel
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:46AM
                                                          • Number Plate could also be B1 or B2

                                                            Commenter
                                                            4Ken
                                                            Location
                                                            Auburn
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                        • Dear oh dear; I think Murdoch has Abbott mixed up with someone else...not sure who. Abbott a conviction politician? Don't have enough words here for his flip-flops. Maybe the annoying word selector chose "conviction" over "conflicted"?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Passionfruit
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 10:34AM
                                                          • The words "conviction" and "politician" are contradictory. Being a politician means keeping all options. The phrase is an oxymoron.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Lewis
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:47AM
                                                          • I agree. Maybe Mr Murdoch should think about handed the reins over to his younger staff members, he gets a bit confused lately.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Sharron
                                                            Location
                                                            Canberra
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:48AM
                                                          • I see your point Lewis. I think a conviction politician could be a dangerous thing. I'd rather they be open to change and evolve their ideas. I guess the real issue is whether someone has genuinely evolved...or whether they are simply a conniving politician.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Passionfruit
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                        • On the issues of costings perhaps the following will help the hapless who are voting today: Politifact found “new independent modelling has shown the Coalition's alternative climate change policy will cost billions of dollars more than Tony Abbott claims and has no chance of meeting Australia's emissions reduction target” mostly true.

                                                          Now that is a surprise isn't it?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 20, 2013, 10:34AM
                                                          • 9:12am: We are the champions.

                                                            Kevin Rudd - just like Bono but the only crowd member a 5 year old kid in the back.

                                                            Not long now Kev, seeya

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Genghis
                                                            Location
                                                            Lounge
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:22AM
                                                            • He is Australias Obama

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Dave
                                                              Location
                                                              Docks
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:31AM
                                                          • True feminist and even true supporters of Women’s equity support the coalition’s PPL. Leading academic Eva Cox declared that the shrill criticism of the scheme by some of her cohorts was motivated by their dislike for Tony Abbott rather than dislike of Women’s Equity. It is a case of critiquing the message because of the messenger not because of its content. Like the NDIS, PPL is expensive, and like the NDIS it is essential initiative that helps make Australia the type of Country we want it to be, where highly skilled women get to work in highly paid leadership roles – AND be mums.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Cwitty
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:19AM
                                                            • I do not dislike Tony Abbott & loath Kevin Rudd but the Coalition's PPL and Direct Action on climate change policies are absolutel duds. I only hope that if Abbott wins they will both be dumped.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Lewis
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                            • The problem is that we have finite dollars (particularly if we want to keep the debt and deficit at its current manageable levels) and numerous expensive but desirable causes. Thus we have to prioritise. I would put the environment way above unnecessary help for mothers. A compromise would be Labor's PPL. And I can't see any evidence that highly paid women are not having children; to the contrary! So why throw in this huge impost onto the budget? Just doesn't make sense to many people.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Passionfruit
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:42AM
                                                            • Lewis so you don't want cleaner air for our children or cleaner water for aquatic life or more forests for our native animals you would rather see this happening in Africa or south America.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              ianf
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:39AM
                                                          • Some in "big business" may like to have a cry about the PPL scheme, but they know that they will benefit from gaining the stability and confidence to make future investment decisions, given that the opposition is set to win this election. They won't be crying too loudly about that prospect.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Facts are
                                                            Location
                                                            Brisbane
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:08AM
                                                            • The facts are, Facts Are, this election race isn't over yet!

                                                              And by the way, remember Abbott's behaviour when he lost the last election? Doesn't say much for the LNP's credibility when they keep the past failed leader as their PM candidate.

                                                              So what's new with the LNP? Nothing!

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Sharron
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:28AM
                                                            • So they are crying but not crying? The facts are with the amount of young graduates looking for work these days it is probably more cost effective to lose someone who wants to have a baby and then hire a younger just as qualified and more desperate for work individual that they can pay less and work harder.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              tasch2
                                                              Location
                                                              Mornington Peninsula
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:38AM
                                                            • tasch2 Sounds like you are wanting a WorkChoices type model.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Facts are
                                                              Location
                                                              Brisbane
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:53AM
                                                            • Facts are Sharon, that the race is over, bar the shouting. And there will be something new with the Coalition by September 8 - they'll be sitting on the right of the speaker....

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Alistair
                                                              Location
                                                              Windsor
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:56AM
                                                            • That's right Alistair. The share market has already priced in a coalition victory as well. It's too late now to get on McMillan Shakespeare. It's already had it's run back.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Facts are
                                                              Location
                                                              Brisbane
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 12:33PM
                                                          • As we know from that last parliamentary sitting week, a week's a long time.... Just have a feeling that the true state of the electorate is 50/50 right at ths point. I think the Coalition's PPL is s stinker and will have the net effect of shifting some votes Labor's way. I thought Rudd's stump speech this morning is what Labor needs. Why not throw some passion into this campaign? What has he got to lose!? A couple of days ago he was being written off by many in the media! Ridiculous this far out. That said, playing like you have nothing to lose can be a powerful thing...both in politics and football.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Passionfruit
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:01AM
                                                            • The problem is it's Kevin.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Hugh
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:16AM
                                                          • oops I see we are in the process of rescuing the 4th boat in three days and three of them have been from Indonesian waters!!! thats now 2700 asylum seekers since the PNG solution was launched and boy is it working well

                                                            Commenter
                                                            impy the doubtful
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 10:00AM
                                                            • where are they going to settled ? as PNG's PM said last week essentially that Rudd is lying, that they will not be settled permanently PNG. Another problem left for the libs to sort out, well done Kokoda kev

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Genghis
                                                              Location
                                                              Lounge
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:34AM
                                                            • When Kevin Rudd and PNG Prime Minister announced this policy (on the run) did they not say they would only be able to cope with a maximum of 3,000 refugees? If that’s still the case, then the PNG solution is finished, if 2,700 have arrived since the announcement was made, where do the rest now go Kevin??? Your place???

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Peter G
                                                              Location
                                                              Drummoyne
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:08AM
                                                          • I bet the money for the Great Ocean Road Fundingonly covers the Corangamite section (the most Marginal seat in Victoria) and not the Wannon section (one of the most Liberal seats in the country) the same as the Princes Highway duplication.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Macca75
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 9:57AM
                                                            • And the Gonski funding does not come into this fiscal outlook period, nor the $500 million Rudd promised Holden, nor the Disability Insurance Scheme, nor the National Broadband Network, none of these are included in Rudd’s current budget estimates. These costs will all be part of Rudd’s next term budget deficit targets.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Peter G
                                                              Location
                                                              Drummoyne
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:12AM
                                                          • I suppose its going to be another day visiting the kiddies at school for Rudd.

                                                            Honestly he should touring around in the Wiggles' Big Red Car not C1

                                                            Commenter
                                                            SteveH.
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 9:50AM
                                                            • Why don't you put in a call for Rudd to visit your ongoing educational centre ?

                                                              Tell "The Pulse" readers how you secretly love the hair flick.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              J. Fraser
                                                              Location
                                                              Queensland
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:00AM
                                                            • I love Rudd's hair flick!

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Sharron
                                                              Location
                                                              Canberra
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:02AM
                                                            • Fraze the last thing any of us need to do is stoke Kevin's ego.

                                                              Queensland is a big place but there is still only so much room in the place.

                                                              Actually talking about education I better get going, right now I'm making a house out of cardboard Fraze, you'd love it, it's even got a miniature toilet seat.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              SteveH.
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:20AM
                                                            • Dear "SteveH",

                                                              Gave up "making" houses a long time ago and as soon as the LNP newman government is gone I will go back to building real houses in Queensland.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              J. Fraser
                                                              Location
                                                              Queensland
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:27AM
                                                            • Frazzles

                                                              What's a real house?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              $keptic
                                                              Location
                                                              Melbourne
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 10:53AM
                                                            • I think Fraser is having a Three Little Pigs moment.

                                                              With Newman in the starring role as the Big Bad Wolf

                                                              Certainly consistent with his previous posts - "Prime Minister Julia Gillard by 10 seats ! "

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Louis Cypher
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 11:29AM
                                                            • $ceptic, perhaps a reference to an upper house with lots of Indi's,Greens etc.
                                                              A true house of review, not a rubber stamp.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              A country gal
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                          • Mumbles Abbott tosses some more gravel out of the bag, this time at the Great Ocean Road; not at the Coalitions much vaunted 80/20 funding ratio, but a 50/50 split with a compliant Mothballs Napthaline. Imagine the howls of horror if Labor proposed an equal split on any road funding. Huh? they have? There was?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            David D
                                                            Location
                                                            Ettalong Beach
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 20, 2013, 9:32AM
                                                            • Interesting the betting agencies have Bill Shorten as most likely to lead the Labor party by years end. http://www.sportingbet.com.au/#Sports/1784434

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Richard from Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 9:25AM
                                                              • I bet Bishop will be taking over from Abbott before the year ends.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Sharron
                                                                Location
                                                                Canberra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:36AM
                                                              • No Bishop will just be a loyal deputy to yet another liberal leader!!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Macca75
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:46AM
                                                              • Only in Barbie world does the Barbie doll rule Ken.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                J. Fraser
                                                                Location
                                                                Queensland
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:50AM
                                                              • J.Fraser, Abbott and Bishop certainly aren't Barbie and Ken!

                                                                Although, Tony Abbott really does believe he is Ken doll. But be warned voters, if Abbott becomes PM, he will wear those red speedos like a uniform.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Sharron
                                                                Location
                                                                Canberra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:58AM
                                                              • So Sharron, how many people have you rescued from the surf? None. Thought so.

                                                                How about Labor supporters cease criticising Abbott for participating in community service activities. He's been doing this all his adult life and Labor supporters like Sharron seem to think it is somehow shameful.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Tim of Altona
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:24AM
                                                              • @"Tim of Altona"

                                                                I doubt that anyone in this forum has mistakenly claimed on their expense account for charity work.

                                                                Let alone $9,400.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                J. Fraser
                                                                Location
                                                                Queensland
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:29AM
                                                              • You don't have a clue about what I have done Tim.

                                                                And the facts are, many people have rescued other people from the surf, but that doesn't mean they will make good PMs, does it Tim?

                                                                And yes Tim, I think it's shameful that Tony Abbott wears those speedos when he knows cameras crews will be around.

                                                                I also think it's shameful that people like you are happy that a potential PM wants to consistently show off their body parts that people do not want to see. Abbott's speedos are disgusting.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Sharron
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:37AM
                                                              • Sharron

                                                                Good to see you are tackling the hard issues. I thought speedos are the uniform of surf life saving (all ages).

                                                                Commenter
                                                                $keptic
                                                                Location
                                                                Melbourne
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:51AM
                                                              • Sharron

                                                                Do you intend to use your vote as a protest against "disgusting" Speedos?

                                                                Or does your all too obvious loathing of Abbott subvert any potential for rational discourse you may still possess?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Louis Cypher
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 11:25AM
                                                              • Sharron..you need some help. They are just a pair of swimmers (togs for us Queenslanders). Keep your eyes up, love, and you'll be fine.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                Location
                                                                Brisbane
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 2:04PM
                                                            • Kevin has definitely got the numbers for a tilt in 2025. Most of the citizens he's met in the past three weeks should be eligible for voting by then.

                                                              Honestly, what is this fixation with school visits - is he avoiding scrutiny from grown-ups ?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Hacka
                                                              Location
                                                              Canberra
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 9:21AM
                                                              • Hacka the ALP actually have an Education policy which is why Rudd is at the schools.
                                                                As for avoiding scrutiny - where are those costings again? And how often does Abbott walk away from a presser conference without actually answering a question!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Macca75
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:35AM
                                                              • Perhaps Rudd is banking on the children telling parents how to vote? It fits: people are voting today without knowledge of Coalition costings? What does that state of affairs bring to mind other that non compos mentis?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:47AM
                                                              • The trouble with your theory Hacka is that children grow up and begin to realise that "selfies" and folksy chatter doesn't cut it in the real adult world..so Kevs wasting his time.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                Location
                                                                Brisbane
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 1:39PM
                                                              • thereisnoyouinLabor - well isn't it interesting that in broad terms, younger people are more likely to vote for Labor than older people, who generally vote for the Coalition.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Hacka
                                                                Location
                                                                Canberra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 3:03PM
                                                            • Yesterday, Stephanie wrote: “You can vote as early as tomorrow. If you will be overseas, out of town, getting married, in hospital or something else on September 7 pre-poll voting stations will be open from tomorrow.”

                                                              There is a terrible problem: these voters have to vote without knowing Coalition valuations, which dictate how the economy under the Coalition will be structured, not to have this information makes this election a travesty of democracy. It seems we have reached a stage of naive susceptibility of adhering to a law that insists we vote on pain of prosecution, irrespective that we don’t have information that aids our reason of which way to vote? This inane trashing of democratic principles happens in Moscow and Zimbabwe? We are supposed to be one of the pearls in the crown of democratic process not a nation of credulous disciples excepting insult to intelligence on the whims of inhibitors of truth.

                                                              Labor committed the same pretence at the last election, which makes acceptance of this repetition dangerous. Democracy dictates the right to know what we are voting for, not major political parties depriving us of that right simply because the truth may not be agreeable to their own cause. The electorate is not subservient to its own political appointees; our politicians have either forgotten or choose to disregard this basic principle of political ethics.

                                                              It’s long past time the press as guardians of democracy acted on this issue with decisive action and with a sense of urgency for the sake of all Australians, although impending Coalition costings are worthless by their absence for those who must vote today.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Pen of hrba
                                                              Date and time
                                                              August 20, 2013, 9:16AM
                                                              • Was that your opinion of Labor when they didn't announce costings until less than 24hrs before the election ?
                                                                Or have you just had this epiphany.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Luke
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:25AM
                                                              • Pen, that's exactly why the LNP and Tony Abbott cannot be trusted.

                                                                I never did trust Tony Abbott, Hockey or Bishop, and I certainly don't trust them now. I'm voting before the election and that will be for a Labor government.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Sharron
                                                                Location
                                                                Canberra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:34AM
                                                              • Luke

                                                                You seem to under the delusion that because one party commits a travesty of democracy then it is ok for another party to commit the same travesty of democracy. I should not have to explain why this is not only an error of reason but most importantly both parties are systematically trashing democracy.

                                                                The way I vote as absolutely nothing to do with my opinion on this issue, other than I refuse to vote and I will not vote. Is this clear enough for you?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:38AM
                                                              • Labor still has not released their costings - yet are demanding the coalition release theirs!!!
                                                                So how is labor going to pay for it's Northern Territory committment? They don't know.

                                                                I think it is more important labor release their costings than the coalition as this is the party who has presided over - on average - $40billion worth of budget black holes per year since they were elected.

                                                                Labor are just one big economic con act!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                kp
                                                                Location
                                                                brisbane
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:38AM
                                                              • Oh, I see what you mean now Pen, Postal Votes. Sorry for my comment yesterday.
                                                                I also take your point, hard to vote when you don't know finance details.
                                                                May i point out that this has always been the case and unless the Government amend the law re submitting costings then nothing will change. As has been well reported Labor waited til election eve to provide theirs!
                                                                Perhaps you could organise a pressure group and agitate for change?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                yys
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:45AM
                                                              • Morning Pen. As you pointed out it always happens like this. Labor released costing the night before in 2007 etc..We all know about John Hewson and his ‘Fight Back’ detailed costing experience…. So if it has always happened like this how is not releasing until the last minute trashing democracy? If nothing has changed there is nothing to worry about. You often have really good points that are hidden by your gross exaggerations. It is not good form to release the costing late in the piece. But not releasing them is in no way some type of existential threat to democracy. A rational person wouldn’t really think that because Tony Abbott hasn’t released funding details of policy that is yet to be announced – that somehow Australia will turn into a dictatorship like Zimbabwe? It is a hyperbolic comparison. Nobody believes that Pen.. Not even you. – You see Sharon from Canberra above has already voted for Labor, without the requirement to be protected by the “Guardians of Democracy” costings or no costings she was always going to vote Labor… that’s what she always does.

                                                                ..”Systematically trashing democracy” C’mon now Pen you’re out of control!!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Cwitty
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:46AM
                                                              • kp

                                                                It is equally incumbent on all political parties to provide all relevant information in a reasonable space of time before any voting begins, otherwise is a travesty of democracy.

                                                                Australian democracy is systematically being trashed by the two major parties, we, through the press, are the only means to stop this process.

                                                                Lying, withholding information, refusing to answer questions, manipulation of facts, and disregarding honesty and ethics is not democracy they turn democracy on its head.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 9:59AM
                                                              • Labor have woken up that every time they try to attack the Coalition on costings the voters are being reminded that they themselves have done the same thing in the past.
                                                                Now you will notice they don't say "costings" they say "numbers".

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Angela
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:03AM
                                                              • Cwitty

                                                                The erosion of political rights is more important than flippancy as I am sure any Jewish person, or any German person will tell you who lived through years 1930-1945. It started then by denial of political rights. An extreme comparison granted, a comparison nonetheless.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:07AM
                                                              • Pen
                                                                Is this some poor attempt to equate Abbott with Hitler? Hyperbole indeed. You dilute any relevancy of your arguments with such drivel.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                dcs
                                                                Location
                                                                Brisbane
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 10:21AM
                                                              • Pen, whilst you sound a bit anxious about not knowing the final costing of the coalition before the election, Most people have already made up their minds that this Labor government is so so bad, that they know the coalition will always be far better managers of the economy, they are prepared to trust the coalition to improve things and are leaving it up to trust, that’s how bad labor is.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Peter G
                                                                Location
                                                                Drummoyne
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 11:17AM
                                                              • @pen: Godwin's Law. Keep to the matter at hand, please.

                                                                And, for the record, a pox on both the ALP and LNP.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Are we there yet?
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 11:37AM
                                                              • It will all change after the election anyway, so no point in all this angst over costings.

                                                                You're voting for a philosophy/attitude at best (yes, yes, yes, I know, some of you will now pipe up Labor=spend spend spend Liberal=save save save, Nationals=whinge whinge whinge Greens=tax tax tax)

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Norm
                                                                Location
                                                                Maroubra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                August 20, 2013, 12:09PM
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