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Federal Election 2013 Live: August 26, 2013

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  • This buy boats back from the Indonesians is a little out of whack. I would have expected this scheme from someone like Clive Palmer, not Tony Abbott. I can see all these fishermen are going to find their oldest boats and ask top money. I cannot see it working. Besides the people smugglers will still find ways to get these people here. We need spies working for the government there to find the top boys in the smuggler trade and catch them red-handed.

    Commenter
    J.G.
    Date and time
    August 26, 2013, 4:58PM
    • If Indonesia does not want people smugglers, then why has it allowed itself to be a transit country for how many years?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      August 26, 2013, 4:39PM
      • "Mr Abbott promises that a Coalition government would suspend the recently declared protected marine areas."

        "Wild catches of almost all fish species have declined with some species, such as prawns, now at only half the level of ten years ago" (CSIRO).

        Good one, has Abbott any more cuckoos nest ideas that he wishes to wreck Australia with?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Date and time
        August 26, 2013, 4:34PM
        • And I bet they allow the super trawler Magris back into our waters. Couldn't believe it at the forum and he said he was a conservationist.
          Liar, liar, pants on fire!

          Commenter
          A country gal
          Date and time
          August 26, 2013, 4:46PM
      • The orchestrated campaign by Murdoch.

        The denial of climate change.

        The discontinuance of climate change policies.

        The refusal to take heed of what climate scientists are telling government.

        All add up to one thing?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Date and time
        August 26, 2013, 4:19PM
        • Yes. Gina's puppet party is back in control.

          Commenter
          Whyalla Wipeout
          Date and time
          August 26, 2013, 4:25PM
      • What is it with all these polling results where the consistency in preference allocations taken from the 2010 Federal election results do not match out from week to week?

        In 2010, the Greens preferences split - ALP 79% (COA, 21%).

        The IND 2PP split was ALP 42%, COA 58%.

        In today's Essential Poll, the 2PP, has come in at 50/50 2PP (repeating 19/8).

        Reverse engineering the results using the GRN COA (2010) preferences of 21%, as the control, brings about a somewhat different result.

        Back on 29/7 Essential reported an actual 2PP split of 51 COA, 49 ALP, inferring an IND 2PP distribution of 63.8% (COA), 36.2% (ALP).

        Adjusting this back to 2010’s 58% COA preference split, revises Essential’s 29/7 2PP to 50.54% (LNP), 49.46% (ALP).

        Similarly, the results for 13/8, instead of being 51 COA, 49 ALP, with an inferred IND COA 2PP split of 63% (ALP, 37%), now adjust (2010 actuals) to 50.5% COA, 49.5%, ALP.

        Likewise, last week’s (19/8) results showing an actual 50/50 split with further drift from the COA, reflect a radically different IND COA 2PP split of 53.8%.

        Revising this back to the 2010 IND 2PP COA standard, the updated 2PP outcome for 19/8 revises to 50.34% COA, 49.66% ALP.

        Today’s results, however, have reversed that drift, despite a reported, unchanged 50/50 2PP outcome.

        In order to maintain that outcome, the IND COA 2PP split has today fallen to 51.2%, based on 2010 GRN preferences of 21% (COA).

        Adjusting for the 2010 actuals at 21% GRN, and 58% IND, today’s Essential Polling should have read 50.62% (COA) 2PP, to 49.38% (ALP).

        Today’s adjusted polling, therefore, now points to slightly higher support (50.62) for the COA than what it was back before the election was called (50.54).

        Commenter
        Grant
        Location
        Mitcham
        Date and time
        August 26, 2013, 4:11PM
        • @3.48

          Oh no not another Person From Overseas coming here to tell Australians how to think

          Commenter
          yys
          Date and time
          August 26, 2013, 4:02PM
          • No, he is telling Australians what he thinks.

            It is the US citizen Rupert Murdoch, who is telling Australians what to think in the crassest ways possible. Obviously, he thinks the average Australian is so stupid and shallow that they need screaming 60 point headlines and photoshopped scams to get through.

            Commenter
            Whyalla Wipeout
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 4:23PM
          • yys - If only you could learn to do it by yourself they wouldn't have to.
            At Rupert's age you should give him a rest.

            Commenter
            Macca75
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 4:24PM
          • Somebody has too. God only knows there are precious few thinkers here

            Commenter
            Pen of hrba
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 4:35PM
          • Well nobody here seems to have the guts to stand up and be counted.
            Tom Watson exposed him for what he is.

            Commenter
            A country gal
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 4:56PM
          • WW, Macca and pen

            Thing is Australians are smart and can think for themselves. We don't need McTernan, Labor's Yankee spinners or Tom Watson Coming From Overseas to tell us specifically what to think.
            It's patronising, like we are the outpost and need their input. C'mon it's 2013!

            Commenter
            yys
            Location
            Labor:CulturalCringe Factor
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 5:07PM
        • i'm seriously concerned about those infrastructure projects in the photos that they don't go wrong !

          Commenter
          Opto
          Location
          Hi
          Date and time
          August 26, 2013, 4:01PM
          • We just dismantled a working monorail system in Sydney that conveyed people from one end of town to the other, Darling Harbour included, in the same amount of time it takes to get from Elizabeth St to Kent St in peak hour traffic.

            Wake me up when both sides of politics grow a brain. In the meantime, I've set the cryochamber to revive me by 2154. Does anyone think Federal Labor will have gotten its act together by then? I better have a Chinese-English dictionary handy.

            Commenter
            Malik the magic sheep
            Location
            Perth
            Date and time
            August 26, 2013, 4:01PM
              • If you object you get shot, that would save the LNP heaps on setting people up and Harmer Lawyers would have no business and the IPA would have nothing to think about.

                Commenter
                Tim
                Location
                InnerCity
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:08PM
              • @Tim
                You would really fit in well as a member of the former NSW Labor gov't.

                Commenter
                FNirk
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:18PM
              • Tim nice reference and innuendo, I like it.
                not much follow up on that last week by the MSM!

                Commenter
                A country gal
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:59PM
            • I see Campbell Newman matching Tony Abbott's pledges dollar for dollar, but wont match any Labor pledges. All of a sudden Queensland is not broke and Newman goes on a pork barreling spree for the federal opposition. Will Newman keep his pledges if Abbott loses?

              Commenter
              Tim
              Location
              InnerCity
              Date and time
              August 26, 2013, 3:52PM
              • Worse that both the Coalition and Labor promised exactly the same amount for the same road upgrade!!

                It seems Labor money and Coalition money are different?!?

                No wonder Queenslanders wonder what they elected. The LNP showed the same rationale when they accepted the 47% pay increase ($57,000 for backbenchers who don't serve on committees) but are fighting a 2.2% pay increase for public servants. Newman is fighting tooth and nail.

                Now Abbott is being delusional. He is telling voters today that a Labor government would have to keep Abbott's PPL scheme!

                Whatever next!!

                Commenter
                TiredOfSpin
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:26PM
              • No. All his promises are in Abbodollars,
                There ia no exchange mechanism for turning these into Albodollars. Bit like Merika and Cuba.

                Commenter
                David D
                Location
                Ettalong Beach
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:27PM
            • High speed broadband is the way to go too.
              Abbotts "copper cans and string" plan is a comparative Puffing Billy.

              Commenter
              A country gal
              Date and time
              August 26, 2013, 3:32PM
              • And Labor's border protection policy is the punch line in many a people smuggler's sales pitch!

                Oh what to do: slightly slower internet, or billions to house 3,000 people in PNG while the boats keep coming.

                Such a tough decision ;)

                Tee hee!

                Commenter
                Malik the magic sheep
                Location
                Perth
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:06PM
              • @ACG
                "Abbotts "copper cans and string" plan" is essentially the main infrastructure of the NBN minus the connection from home to node. When the nation can afford a full NBN is the time to provide it, not at the expense of the future generations.

                Commenter
                FNirk
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:08PM
              • A country gal why aren't you out there demanding high speed rail to the home. You know it makes sense.

                Commenter
                Nulla
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:18PM
              • The difference between the Liberal NBN and the Labor NBN plan in cost is actually less than $10 billion dollars. The Liberal plan is absolutely inferior in just about every way to Labor's NBN. The Liberal plan is outrageously bad value for money compared to the Labor plan.

                According to the ex-head of British Telecoms, fibre to the node is one of the biggest mistakes ever.

                Every country that has implemented fibre to the node regrets the decision and wish they had implemented fibre to the home.

                To get a decent return on the investment from the NBN, fibre to the home is a necessity, as discussed in the New Zealand NBN cost benefits analysis. An extrapolation of New Zealand figures suggests that the Australian NBN can earn between $105 billion dollars and $237 billion dollars over 20 years.

                Commenter
                Tone
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:21PM
              • Fnirk, The Liberal plan is like having a water main at the end of the street and each householder has to go out with a garden hose to connect for a water supply to the house.

                Commenter
                Whyalla Wipeout
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:29PM
              • WW if you want water only for normal household needs then you don't have to go to the corner..if however you want to fill up several pools a week then yes you will have to pay more. Its up to you. My old dad is paying for the fibre to go to the corner but can't afford to connect at all..why should he subsidise your excess?

                Commenter
                thereisnoyouinLabor
                Location
                Brisbane
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:41PM
              • @Tone

                "The difference between the Liberal NBN and the Labor NBN plan in cost is actually less than $10 billion dollars."

                Really? Only 10 billion stands between state of the art and some markedly inferior network setup? Or maybe, Labor has just played with figures, and done the usual thing of over-promising and under-delivering. You know, "we can do X for Y dollars", and Y somehow magically increases beyond all estimates.

                You know, the same way boat people wasn't even an election issue in 2007 and has now blown out to about 50,000 people and more who keep on coming. Funny how when you talk numbers with Labor, they seem to keep getting bigger.

                Coincidence?

                Commenter
                Malik the magic sheep
                Location
                Perth
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 4:43PM
            • I await with bated breath the new *see you and raise you* policy from Infrastructure Abbott and Telephone Turnbull could combine the Extremely Quick Steamtrain with the NBN thingy and send messages from Melbourne to the Gomorrah on the Harbour in LESS THAN THREE HOURS! For less than the cost of a chimneysweep!

              Commenter
              David D
              Location
              Ettalong Beach
              Date and time
              August 26, 2013, 3:29PM
              • Morocco has had high speed rail since 2010?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                • I can get from Sydney to Melbourne in 1.5 hours...on an airplane. High speed rail would be good for cargo...get all those double D's off the highways.

                  Commenter
                  JT
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 3:50PM
                • @JT

                  "get all those double D's off the highways."

                  Well said. They are the major cause of driver distraction - and dirty looks from the other half when you get caught staring.

                  Commenter
                  Malik the magic sheep
                  Location
                  Perth
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 4:12PM
                • Hmm now work out the rest of the time spent travelling by air? Anything under 300k distance and air travel is a waste of time.

                  Commenter
                  Pen of hrba
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 4:22PM
              • Abbott examines the brain of mouse, but has not the brain to examine climate change?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                August 26, 2013, 3:14PM
                • I had the pleasure of speaking with Tanya Plibersek on Saturday, and what a delight to speak with someone who is intelligent, articulate and actually wants to make a positive difference to society. Please, one day, can she run for PM. She would do the country proud.

                  Commenter
                  AtomicNirvana
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                  • Well you seem to be easily led down the garden path. Tanya thinks our carbon emissions have fallen while we increase coal production. Err 407 million tonnes of coal produced this year produces 1.164 billions tonnes of Co2. Labor carbon reduction is 16 million tonnes?

                    Tanya who?

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:29PM
                  • I notice her list of accreditations include
                    Hand Bag Hit Squad founding member.

                    Commenter
                    Tim of Altona
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:38PM
                  • Did you ask Tanya about her paid parental leave entitlements when she had her baby? Full pay and not capped, I believe...Might open your eyes to her hypocrisy ..not to mention her support for Rudd, despite her negative comments earlier.

                    Commenter
                    thereisnoyouinLabor
                    Location
                    Brisbane
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:38PM
                  • AtomicNirvana; Will second that. Ever since the first dark days of Howard she has been Persistent, Proactive, Committed and Compassionate. So has her mate from Marrickville. Can we clone them?

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach (ex Rozelle)
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:39PM
                  • Pen:
                    Just remind me again what the Liberal policy is?

                    Commenter
                    AtomicNirvana
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:57PM
                  • thereisnoyouinLabor:

                    Ah yeah, Tony's great big new tax on everything so his wealthy mates can move some earnings to the wife, then get the full amount when they have a baby. Great scheme, sure to be a winner (for a very few), and a big loser for the rest of us.
                    If you want to talk about politicians' entitlements, that is a different topic altogether, with both sides guilty of snouts in the trough

                    Commenter
                    AtomicNirvana
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 4:02PM
                  • Not just politicians,atomic,..all public servants are granted this entitlement..why are their babies so special?

                    Commenter
                    ThereisnoyouinLabor
                    Location
                    Brisbane
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 4:18PM
                  • AtomicNirvana

                    How dare you implicate Pen coveting the Coalition. Are you mad?

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 4:26PM
                  • Get rid of all paid parental schemes. There are more important things to spend taxpayers money on. We need real nation building projects and we need to look after people who actually need the money. We don't need to pay for people's choices thanks.

                    Commenter
                    ThereisnouinLiberalEither
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 4:40PM
                • Check out Australian Story tonight on ABC and find out what Tony Windsor really thinks of Tony Abbott...very interesting preview.

                  Commenter
                  JT
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 3:11PM
                  • Who cares what Tony Windsor thinks. He gutlessly baled out of this election and didn't give his electorate the opportunity to let him know what they thought. Here's a three-word slogan: craven, craven, craven.

                    Commenter
                    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                  • Tony Windsor has had a chip on his shoulders for a long time.
                    He's not relevant.

                    Commenter
                    Wind fire water
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                  • I'm waiting for the story on what Tony Abbott really thinks about Tony Windsor.

                    Commenter
                    Lewis
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:18PM
                  • Who really cares what Tony Windsor thinks -he is totally irrelevant now - having pulled the pin before he was voted out - has the ABC asked Tony Abbott what he thinks of Tony Windsor - I thought not.

                    Commenter
                    Baltic13
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:22PM
                  • Certainly will be. He was on RN, bush telegraph too this morning. And busy helping Cathy McGowan oust Mirrabella.
                    As well as assisting Rob T? Who's standing as an Indi against Joyce.
                    He's flat out.

                    Commenter
                    A country gal
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:22PM
                  • Who cares what Windsor thinks about Abbott. Windsor sold out the good people of New England to the ALP and the Greens. The sooner he is assigned to the dustbin of history the better.

                    Commenter
                    Pawel
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:23PM
                  • Come in spinner......Tony Windsor (along with the other independents) have had the major power in politics over the last 3 years. They were highly relevant. Why didn't they choose Tony for PM...they could have as they were originally all from the conservative side not Labor. Ha ha It's like one of you in that position favouring ALP over LNP...why didn't they choose Tony? Methinks they knew something that you lot don't know or deny.

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:29PM
                  • Many Liberals won't watch the ABC. They're too scared their minds might be corrupted by left wing ideology.

                    Commenter
                    Tone
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:36PM
                  • Did you see what Paul Keating thought of Joe Hockey? Hahahaha - what a dud ... Paul Keating, I mean.

                    Commenter
                    FNirk
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:42PM
                  • ...or have to confront some unwanted truths about their 'saviour from incompetence'!

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:42PM
                • Stephanie

                  All this interest in climate change and the Coalition leads Labor in the polls and neither party has a meaningful climate change policy?

                  Please explain this insanity?

                  Commenter
                  Pen of hrba
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                  • pen...all this repetitiveness? why? You know Abbott's climate policy is one of Direct Action and Kevin's is a market based mechanism called an Emissions Trading Scheme. What other answer are you looking for?

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:15PM
                  • Keep on reading those comic books Pen!

                    Commenter
                    Wind fire water
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:18PM
                  • Simple. Seriously combating climate change is a very expensive business. Nobody wants to combat climate change if it means momentary inconvenience, especially to their finances.

                    Commenter
                    Whyalla Wipeout
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:26PM
                  • Oh direct action, JT? Is that the one coming up $4 billion short to be effective?

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:31PM
                  • Looks like we have to take it or leave it pen.....ALP is ETS and LNP is Direct Action...simple as that...oh....Clive Palmer has none and will refund all the money we have paid so far on the Carbon Tax. There you go.......

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:39PM
                • Abbott at the Queensland Brain Institute? Picking up or dropping off?

                  Commenter
                  Wanna buy a boat
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 2:55PM
                  • Picking up a replacement or a spare by the look of it!

                    Commenter
                    JT
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                  • How to make a mouse brain;
                    puree the brains of 5 politicians....

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:08PM
                  • I am trying to work out if he looks puzzled or jealous...

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                  • Picking up a replacement for Rudd's no doubt.

                    Commenter
                    Hopefully Ruddless
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                  • +++1.

                    Commenter
                    Gottalarf
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 3:25PM
                • Comment of the day comes in Judith Ireland's report on KRudds visit to ANOTHER play centre. While trying to impress the kiddies ( 3year olds) with his building skills with the building blocks he was told in no uncertain terms that "that doesn't fit" which I think sort of sums up KRudds whole approach to the Australian economy and his building plans for our future....it just doesn't fit! From the mouths of babes.....

                  Commenter
                  Gottalarf
                  Date and time
                  August 26, 2013, 2:46PM
                  • Adam Bandt, who won his seat thanks to Liberal Party preferences, is complaining about the Liberal Party not giving him preferences this time.

                    Given that the Libs agree with the ALP more than they agree with the Greens, it actually makes more sense ideologically speaking for the Libs to preference the ALP ahead of the Greens. But it doesn't suit the Greens, so that makes it unfair apparently.

                    The Greens: just more politicians, when you get right down to it. Except ones who can't get anything done (thanks for screwing up climate change policy for everyone by voting down the ETS and insisting on a carbon tax, guys! Way to make the entire area of policy toxic!)

                    Commenter
                    Arky
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 2:43PM
                    • The Carbon Tax was superior policy. It made the biggest polluters pay, instead of the taxpayer.

                      Tony Abbott wants to pay the polluters from taxpayer money.

                      When Abbott wins, only the rich will benefit, and the rest of us will lose.

                      Commenter
                      Tone
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 2:53PM
                    • The problem was not the carbon tax it was what Labor did with the proceeds from the carbon tax. Effectively nothing.

                      Four billion would have paid for 12 concentrated solar power stations with salt storage producing more green energy than our entire fleet of windmills.

                      Commenter
                      Pen of hrba
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 3:25PM
                    • Unfortunately, Tone, I agree. And it won't take much time for people to find out they were had. Just like Queenslanders discovered they had elected a despot without conscience.

                      Commenter
                      TiredOfSpin
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 3:41PM
                    • The Carbon Tax may be superior policy to an ETS or it may not.

                      Politically, the Greens should have accepted the ETS as a good start back when Rudd was PM the first time, and then agitated for more. Their all-or-nothing approach has only made things worse.

                      Commenter
                      Arky
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 4:36PM
                  • Putting Hockey in Economics is like putting Albo in Communications - both are completely incompetent in their portfolios.

                    Commenter
                    Tom
                    Location
                    Canberra
                    Date and time
                    August 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                    • PolitiFact finds Kate Lundy's claim that Abbott will slash 20, 000 public service jobs FALSE

                      So little time left for lies

                      Kate , Penny , Albo , Dear Leader , et al , you won't be missed

                      Commenter
                      Louis Cypher
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 2:26PM
                      • Kate and Penny will still be shadow ministers when Tanya Plibersek takes over. I can only assume she's been promised the leadership in return for standing behind Rudd and looking like she just sucked a Kevin O Lemon.

                        Commenter
                        Nulla
                        Date and time
                        August 26, 2013, 2:59PM
                      • Funny Nulla and so true.

                        Commenter
                        thereisnoyouinLabor
                        Location
                        Brisbane
                        Date and time
                        August 26, 2013, 3:47PM
                    • In the latest survey, a 2nd airport at Badgerys Creek is now popular in Western Sydney because of job creation & economic benefit. Even Albo is now toning down his preference for Wilton.

                      Commenter
                      Lewis
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      August 26, 2013, 2:25PM
                      • Rudd wants Australia to be a nation that does feasibility studies about building things.

                        Commenter
                        Puzzled
                        Date and time
                        August 26, 2013, 2:22PM
                        • And Abbott wants to be a Infrastrucutre PM who builds things against the best advice of feasibility studies etc.

                          Commenter
                          Macca75
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:25PM
                        • Abbott wants Australia to the country that builds things without investigating their feasibility.

                          Commenter
                          tasch2
                          Location
                          Mornington Peninsula
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:37PM
                        • Let's spend billions of dollars on projects before thinking about them!

                          Pretty sure that a feasibility study or something with a similar name is done by every government and major corporation, of any stripe, before committing to major capital expenditure.

                          Commenter
                          Arky
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:38PM
                        • Try feasibility studies before promising them!

                          Commenter
                          FNirk
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                        • There you go. Abbott Abbott Abbott...

                          OK. Show me the feasibility study and business plan for the NBN.

                          Commenter
                          Puzzled
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:46PM
                        • Won't this be the second or third feasibility study of high speed rail under Labor? Give it up Albo, no matter how many inquiries you have it won't be feasible.

                          Commenter
                          Nulla
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 3:01PM
                        • arky

                          "Let's spend billions of dollars on projects before thinking about them!"

                          Where was the feasibility study done on the NBN a project than is going to cost over $36 Billion?
                          On the drink coasters on a VIP flight by Rudd and Conroy.

                          Commenter
                          terry
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                        • When did Abbott ignore feasability studies in proposing infrastructure. It wouldn't surprise me if he did but I don't recall any instance.

                          Commenter
                          Lewis
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 3:07PM
                        • Lewis - The East West Link in Melb as opposed to the new rail tunnel - the rail tunnel is much preferred but he will fund the east west link.

                          Commenter
                          Macca75
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 3:32PM
                        • Ahhh, I probably tuned out when I saw Melbourne...

                          Commenter
                          Lewis
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 3:59PM
                      • What a surprise: nothing on climate change from Katter and Palmer?

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        August 26, 2013, 2:20PM
                        • Hilarious moment of the day: Labor accuses the Greens of making things up about their preference deal for the seat of Melbourne and wants to take the Greens to the AEC to make them correct the record. Isn't this the same Labor that made up the $70B black hole, GST increases, 20000 public service jobs on the line, what Abbott will do etc., etc.?

                          Commenter
                          Art
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:20PM
                          • The jury is not out yet Art.

                            Queenslanders have already been through just that - after Newman promised that Qld public servants had nothing to fear from him. Newman legislated to take employee conditions out of the Public Service Act. Then Newman used the amended Act to sack 14,000 permanent public servants, untold casuals and contractors.

                            The cuts are continuing in Health, where Hospital Boards given set budgets are having to cut costs. Services have been cut. Professional staff are being cut and still it goes on!!

                            This is not the only thing Qld has had to endure. Since Newman became Premier our unemployment figures are the highest after Tasmania and 2% above the national average.

                            Also a year after the LNP took office, Qlds credit rating was lowered from AA+ to AA. This was not due to Labor but to the roll on impact of the LNP cuts.

                            Abbott plans a Costello Commission of Audit. So, Australia will join Queensland in the failing economy stakes!!

                            Commenter
                            TiredOfSpin
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 3:37PM
                        • Why little ethonal production when, “Enerkem in Canada has developed a process to produce methanol and ethanol from gasified biomass wastes, beginning with old, treated power poles,’ says Mr Lang. ‘Their first plant has the capacity to produce five million litres of fuel per year. SunPine in Sweden has commenced production of biodiesel from crude tall oil, a by-product of the pulp and paper industry. Inbicon in Denmark is producing 5.5 million litres of ethanol from fermenting acid-treated straw per year.”

                          “Many studies and overseas commercial developments demonstrate that a larger biofuel industry could be economically viable in Australia. But according to the Biofuels Association of Australia, investment lags here for a number of reasons. Industry feels that there has been very limited indication from successive governments as to a willingness to support the burgeoning industry.”

                          Now why is that? Why does it have a similar ring to climate change denial? And who benefits?

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                          • Yea but then the biofuel market competes with the food market. Arable land gets taken up for biofuels that would otherwise be used for food production. The result? Increased food prices. Do we really want that?

                            Commenter
                            Tone
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:26PM
                          • I have a huge problem with the premise that our economic wellbeing is in any way dependent on the muppets that sit in Federal Parliament. I think it's the other way around. Their economic wellbeing is entirely dependent on us.

                            Commenter
                            Lewis
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:56PM
                          • Tone, Tone, what is this I read? Australia has limited arable land? Where on earth did you get that notions from?

                            Commenter
                            Pen of hrba
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 3:04PM
                          • I'm talking about arable land where you can grow stuff, not overall land, which includes our vast deserts.

                            You don't magically have a whole lot more farm land opened up to support biofuels - they compete for the same existing arable land.

                            So biofuels will compete in the same space as food. That's the problem.

                            Commenter
                            Tone
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 3:18PM
                        • If you have felt like you cannot get ahead financially for the last 6 years, that is because Labor has choked the life out of the middle class. Does anyone remember how prosperous and optimistic Australians were back under Howard? Life was better under Liberal rule, that's why the LNP has my vote this election!

                          Commenter
                          simples
                          Location
                          Australia
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                          • Actually, I felt this way during the entire Howard government. I never bought the line that we were all benefiting when my pay never increased. Australia benefited alright, but it because the rich made massive profits and the rest of us were just stayed where we were.

                            They always show average adult wages went up. But the real figure is the median wage, because that shows whether the rich skewed the figures.

                            Commenter
                            Tone
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:28PM
                          • Life was better in the Howard years? On a global scale - he was voted the most reckless money-spender PM Australia has ever had! Wake up son, you've been dreaming for far too long!

                            Commenter
                            Shocked
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:31PM
                          • I remember 10 years ago when John and his mates encouraged us all to get ahead just like governments did in other countries. "Interest rates will always be lower..." the carrot that sucked in a generation by playing on their own aspirations. I don't know who was more surprised when the whole thing cam crashing down. Still it was up to a Labor government to pick up the pieces with some imaginative policy just like during the Great Depression and any other time in history the world takes a turn for the worse (WW1 and 2 etc). The LNP are a government for the salad days and are incapable of making effective decisions when times are tough, that is why we turn to an Labor government in these times.

                            It was fiscally irresponsible of teh previous LNP government to encourage people to live beyond their means in the early 2000's just as it is irresponsible to tell everyone the Country is in state of Fiscal emergency now and erode any chance of confidence developing.

                            Commenter
                            tasch2
                            Location
                            Mornington Peninsula
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:36PM
                          • there, you've actually said it.....the boom conditions under Howard.......pity that unabated booms leads to bust and having to pick up the pieces. Do we really want that all over again?

                            Commenter
                            JT
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 3:02PM
                          • Rose coloured glasses, and all that. Howard was hopeless; his success relied entirely on the mining boom, not on good governance.

                            Commenter
                            jace
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 3:24PM
                        • Enough of visiting the kiddies Rudd. When will this guy ever start engaging with the people he is seeking votes from?

                          Commenter
                          Sarah of Carnegie
                          Date and time
                          August 26, 2013, 2:16PM
                            • Sarah, the kids' parents vote... "Mummy, Kevin Rudd was at school today He is cool. I hope you vote for him. Pleeease". While Tony is going to see the pensioners, the very people who will be hit from both sides by him - prices going up, taxes going up. Pity most of them are too blinded by his bluster

                              Commenter
                              Rusty
                              Location
                              qatar
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                          • PolitiFact finds Lundy's claim the Liberals have "confirmed they will cut 20,000 jobs" false - more lies.

                            Commenter
                            Baltic13
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                            • But they did say 12,000 jobs cut, right?

                              So 12,000 public sector jobs are to go when the Liberals get in?

                              Just like the Liberals didn't have a massive $70 billion dollar black hole, they only had a massive $50 billion dollar black hole?

                              Commenter
                              Tone
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:24PM
                            • By attrition Tone. Pay attention

                              Commenter
                              Puzzled
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:47PM
                            • Baltic and Puzzled - a number of their sheep have thrown the number about, as Have Mumbles Abbott and Stumbles Hockey. Politifacts confirms that these two have not confirmed it, however they have not denied it. There is a lot of disingenuous hairsplitting going on. We are being asked to take on trust a lawyer/journalist and a merchant banker/lawyer. Read their fine print - very carefully.

                              Commenter
                              David D
                              Location
                              Ettalong Beach
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:00PM
                            • Except the Coalition have bandied the 20,000 figure around, including Abbott and Hockey themselves.

                              They just haven't "confirmed" it. That's all the "lie" is.

                              Commenter
                              Arky
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                            • Will he ride his bike to work? (or keep on playing truckies)

                              Commenter
                              David D
                              Location
                              Ettalong Beach
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:10PM
                          • Lundy's statement - false.
                            Why do these ALP figures keep coming out and making statements about the coalition that are so easily pointed out as false?

                            Commenter
                            Puzzled
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:09PM
                            • The real question is why no one is pointing out the statements that the Coalition are making about Labor that are so obviously false. It's all a bit one sided and they are both outrageous liars.

                              Commenter
                              Tone
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:30PM
                            • You actually don't hear the LNP talk about Labor much. Occasionally they do yes, but most of the time it is Labor talking about the Coalition and telling us what scary things the Coalition is going to do (as if they have some kind of crystal ball). The problem with Labor's approach is that every time they get caught out, the trust factor dips a little more - as can be witnessed by the polls showing who the electorate trusts more these days. Trust is probably the one measure in the polls that has had the biggest turn-around since writs were issued and is also the one "Positive Kevin" wanted to campaign on. It is not quite working is it?

                              Commenter
                              Art
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                            • They don't have a crystal ball - they can just see the historic pattern.

                              Liberal governments implement regressive policies that benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class.

                              Commenter
                              Tone
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 4:26PM
                          • I don't think we have the population to support high speed rail. Not true high speed rail anyway.
                            To justify the expense it would have to be moving huge volumes of people every single day.

                            Commenter
                            Rough-Ready
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 2:05PM
                            • Rough & REady - From what I have seen about this announcement it isn't about building a fast rail tack tomorrow, it is about making sure that when we want to build one the land is available.

                              Commenter
                              Macca75
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                            • Precisely! Small population concentrated in urban centres at great distances from each other requires air travel solutions and not rail.

                              Commenter
                              Lewis
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:21PM
                            • Lewis - And what solutions would they be?

                              Commenter
                              Macca75
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:29PM
                            • Macca, expanding on the ones that exist now. In the near term that would be expanding airport capacity & building cheap traveller friendly rail from those airports to the CBD's. In the long term that would be 2nd & 3rd airports and faster, more silent aircraft that require less runway from the aerospace industry.

                              Commenter
                              Lewis
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 2:51PM
                            • One problem with the high-speed rail idea: If something goes wrong on the single high speed rail line and air-travel has been out-competed to the point of shutting down the major domestic routes: Chaos! At least air travel affords many layers of redundancy. Just look at what happens in Melbourne when there is an accident in the tunnel. The entire CBD shuts down! We would be better served with a plan for more airports in both Melbourne and Sydney, connected via rail to the cities, but backed up through vehicle (bus) travel if something goes awry.

                              Commenter
                              Art
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:25PM
                            • Cheap traveller friendly rail - like the stuff Abbott has ruled out funding?

                              And how "cheap" would it be to build a rail line form the CBD to Tullamarine?

                              Commenter
                              Macca75
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 3:26PM
                            • Macca, I don't know but the one we have from Mascot to Central cost $16.50 or thereabouts. Look at the map & you'll see it's only like a 20 minute car ride in City traffic. Traveller friendly means space for suitcases.

                              You really should get over the tribal warfare, Macca. They are ALL duds.

                              Commenter
                              Lewis
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 4:04PM
                          • "1:35pm: And - sadly - that's it for Mr Katter and Mr Palmer..."

                            So disappointing. I had such high hopes that one would ask the other if he ever shuts up.

                            Commenter
                            Lewis
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            August 26, 2013, 1:49PM
                            • Photo @ 12.19

                              Anyone know why Rudd is always doing that hand thing?
                              Looks like making the " ", with his hands?

                              Commenter
                              yys
                              Date and time
                              August 26, 2013, 1:47PM
                              • 52 million for a high speed rail between Melbourne and Sydney when 52 million won't even cover Costs to lay 1 km of railway track!

                                The Labor party is getting beyond becoming a joke!

                                If all the hot air coming from Albanese mouth can be bottled then more infrastructure could have been built in Australia rather than just more comittee reports and studies.

                                Commenter
                                Regh
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                • yup, remember looking at feasibility studies for similar grand schemes such as "speed -rail". Everyone gave it the nickname of "speed-dog" it was that bad. Its a simple maths exercise to work out that the high speed rail is so inefficient it makes you wonder how much research has actually been done on this.....policy on the run again

                                  Commenter
                                  the taxpayer
                                  Location
                                  everyhwere
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                • Of course not! He's already said he's going to live in a caravan in a remote indigenous community.

                                  Commenter
                                  Lewis
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                              • Photo at 11.47..has anyone warned Rudd about grinding his teeth?..He is doing it an awful lot of late.

                                Commenter
                                thereisnoyouinlabor
                                Location
                                Brisbane
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                • It's called bruxism and comes from the greek meaning
                                  'gnashing of teeth'
                                  There'd be a lot of it going on in Labor these days.

                                  Commenter
                                  yys
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:52PM
                              • This was in Crikey today - Thought some might be interested -
                                "What’s important in all this is that Abbott has committed the Coalition to no more stringent a fiscal policy than Labor, which is a good outcome for an economy that is below-par even with interest rates at record lows. While the Coalition continues to talk the talk of the fiscal disciplinarians, it’s walking the same walk as Labor on returning to surplus and sensibly ignoring the blandishments of many on the Right who want to see austerity-style cuts and a punitive slash-and-burn fiscal policy.

                                Speaking of whom, it’s odd, but the fiscal hairshirts were thin on the ground this morning in response to Abbott’s commitments. Where was Judith Sloan, who has excoriated Labor’s spendthrift ways and its politicisation of Treasury? What about Henry Ergas, scourge of the Left and its chaotic budgeting? Where was David Murray, advocate of fiscal self-flagellation? Not a word on the Coalition declaring a unity ticket with Labor on the path back to surplus.

                                Still, forget three years of hypocrisy and inconsistency: it would have been downright disastrous for the economy if the Coalition had proposed to act as though their rhetoric in any way reflected reality. Instead, they’ve opted for sensible fiscal policy that serves the needs of the economy, instead of making the economy serve an ideological fetish about fiscal policy.

                                Commenter
                                Macca75
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:35PM
                                • Crikey, not Crikey.

                                  Commenter
                                  thereisnoyouinlabor
                                  Location
                                  Brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:41PM
                                • The Economic concepts to hard for you to understand you have to shoot the messenger?

                                  Commenter
                                  Macca75
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:44PM
                                • Macca, you are talking about Crikey, which now has as much relevance as the Australian Democrats.

                                  Commenter
                                  kp
                                  Location
                                  brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:47PM
                                • KP - Care to point out the factual errors in the article?

                                  Commenter
                                  Macca75
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 2:05PM
                              • Kev needs to lift his game,'Although it's not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative'. He needs to explain the Labor difference.

                                Commenter
                                SteadiEddie
                                Location
                                Country
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:30PM
                                • Hey it is more about choosing between dumb and dumber - but what does that mean for us the voting public?

                                  Commenter
                                  Adrian
                                  Location
                                  Melbourne
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 2:28PM
                                • It means that two idiots will always outvote a genius so its best to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

                                  Commenter
                                  tasch2
                                  Location
                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                              • Any truth to the rumor that Clive Palmer has promised anyone who volunteers for the PUP on election day get's a free ride on Titanic II?

                                Commenter
                                Lewis
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:29PM
                                • no thanks...I think its doomed....the Titanic I mean

                                  Commenter
                                  JT
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:32PM
                              • Mr Palmer is promising "on average" a 15 per cent reduction in the amount of tax the average person pays.
                                "Spending money makes the world go around, he says. "It makes the pie bigger."
                                Mr Palmer then promises that the first $10,000 paid off a home loan would be tax deductible.
                                He would then increase the old age pension by 20 per cent, an increase of $150 a fortnight.

                                To get this sort of money to spend like this.....is Clive going to make and sell dinosaur statues overseas?...or where the hell is he getting the money from?

                                Commenter
                                JT
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:29PM
                                • He could sell Pies in the Sky......

                                  Commenter
                                  Rough-Ready
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 2:11PM
                              • I'm impressed with Tony Abbott's loans for Apprentices. I see too many apprentices give up their apprenticeship after the first year due to the poor pay they receive.
                                Well done Mr Abbott.
                                It would be interesting to hear what the Unions think of this initiative.

                                Commenter
                                dRod
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:27PM
                                • The unions don't like apprentices much. Too many of them become self emplyed tradies who then become aspirational.

                                  Commenter
                                  Lewis
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:36PM
                                • Apprentices currently get an allowance for tools and equipment - not means tested, not a loan.This is a disguised form of *bonding* -indentured indebtedness. It does nothing to address the problems of State TAFE cuts or shortsighted large construction & mining companies. Bit like PPL without a longterm childcare strategy

                                  Commenter
                                  David D
                                  Location
                                  Ettalong Beach
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                • I think its a great incentive. For too many years, young people have had the idea of you must go to university shoved down their throats, and trade type schools or apprentices viewed as an inferior career choice. If anything, the apprentice career is probably more valuable that some university degree.

                                  Commenter
                                  Sarah of Carnegie
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:45PM
                                • So apprentices give up for reasons of poor pay do they. Now tell us what apprentice pay scales are? Oh that's right you don't know do you?

                                  Commenter
                                  Pen of hrba
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:55PM
                                • I know, Pen..my son is an apprentice stonemason..1st year. He completed and passed year 12 and he is 19. He works a 38 hour week 6am - 2pm for around $7.80 PH and often gets over time at 1 and a half times that. He loves his job, works very very hard, and I hope that keeps him interested enough to complete his apprenticeship...he lives at home otherwise it would be near impossible. Any help from the government is gladly accepted..but don't put apprenticeship wages up too much or finding an apprenticeship will be even harder ..and its pretty hard now. They have to have weeks off work to study and have to be closely supervised on the job. We consider it on par with our daughter who is a Uni student...both need our support and encouragement to get through and we appreciate the opportunity offered to our son by his employer.

                                  Commenter
                                  ThereisnoyouinLabor
                                  Location
                                  Brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 4:16PM
                              • Can Katter produce more sheep and cattle with less water and more heat?

                                Commenter
                                Pen of hrba
                                Date and time
                                August 26, 2013, 1:26PM
                                • Stephanie

                                  Can someone ask Palmer about climate change?

                                  Commenter
                                  Pen of hrba
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:24PM
                                  • @"Pen" .... "Stephanie
                                    Can someone ask Palmer about climate change?"

                                    So not only do you not vote but apparently you do not know how to use Twitter.

                                    Best educate yourself instead of trying to indoctrinate everyone else.

                                    Commenter
                                    J. Fraser
                                    Location
                                    Queensland
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:54PM
                                  • J. Fraser

                                    Oh dear, the facts touched a nerve have they? Laying out the truth and the facts does not make for indoctrination.

                                    Commenter
                                    Pen of hrba
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                • Nobody seems to have made any jokes about the "cracks" appearing in the Labor campaign as yet.

                                  Commenter
                                  Hacka
                                  Location
                                  Canberra
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:21PM
                                  • That's because Kev's got now onto araldite!

                                    Commenter
                                    beaseyst
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:28PM
                                  • Hacka......careful Abbott's likely to mix up his araldite and his suppositories of wisdom.Nasty

                                    Commenter
                                    I have no specific knowledge
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:37PM
                                  • @Hacka that was brilliant pure gold

                                    Commenter
                                    ultra
                                    Location
                                    Mel
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 4:44PM
                                • Stephanie@12.19

                                  Golly, @KevinsFringe on Twitter only saying yesterday that Rudd uses SuperGlue to keep fringe in order

                                  Now Kev gone into advertising another HairProduct altogether with mention of Araldite.
                                  It's a Battle of the Glues.

                                  Commenter
                                  yys
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:17PM
                                  • Araldite is the Greek Goddes of Adhesion.
                                    Superglue is merely yet another icky sticky American comicbook Superhero.
                                    Rudd is right to stick with the classics.Shows edumacation and class

                                    Commenter
                                    David D
                                    Location
                                    Ettalong Beach
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:33PM
                                • The Pulse 11:26am: These boots were made for walking (and campaigning but not cycling).

                                  And judging by the sign in the background ... definitely should be wearing safety boots.

                                  Gina would not allow that on any of her work sites.

                                  Commenter
                                  J. Fraser
                                  Location
                                  Queensland
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:07PM
                                  • With 2 weeks to go, how's your Gillard by 10 seats prediction looking?

                                    Commenter
                                    Tim of Altona
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:32PM
                                  • Thats OK - they are squattocracy boots

                                    Commenter
                                    David D
                                    Location
                                    Ettalong Beach
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                  • @ToA ...
                                    I was chastened a short while ago ... it's meant to be 13, remember. Rudds luckiest number I think.

                                    Commenter
                                    FNirk
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 2:08PM
                                  • J.Fraser, I have just heard that Rudd has promised to invest $200 million of his own money (well his wife’s actually) in the Very Fast Train project.
                                    This will enable the train to run to PNG and Christmas Island so that it can take the Asylum seekers back to Indonesia.
                                    The train will run underground in tunnels for 99% of the time keeping the carbon emissions trapped there, Sen.Milne agreed that it is financially viable and has been costed by Sarah Hanson-Young (Shadow Minister for Everything).
                                    Sen. Milne also agreed with Albanese that if the tunnels were made wide enough Qantas could drive the planes all the way to Indonesia without taking off and polluting the atmosphere.
                                    With typical Albanese expertise it is proposed that the digging of the tunnel will start in Sydney and the other end will start in Indonesia and it will meet in the middle.
                                    When Rudd was asked “What happens if the tunnels don’t meet” he replied “This is where good old Labor knowhow comes in, if they don’t meet you will have 2 tunnels.
                                    Now I know why you Steeden and Tone vote Labor.

                                    Commenter
                                    thepres
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 2:12PM
                                  • J.Fraser, The Pulse 12-00pm did Rudd actually throw the punch at Albo.

                                    Commenter
                                    thepres
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 2:29PM
                                • "Mr Katter says in nine years' time there will be no cars or steel made in Australia. And in seven to 15 years' time we will be "a net importer of food".

                                  There you go? Katter is already 15 years behind reality?

                                  “Australian fisheries are the fifth largest food producing industry, worth more than $2.1 billion annually. Fish are also a healthy source of food with Australians consuming around 16 kilograms (kg) of seafood per person each year. However, the wild catches of almost all fish species have declined with some species, such as prawns, now at only half the level of ten years ago. Importantly, we have now moved from a net exporter of fish to a net importer” (CSIRO).

                                  Commenter
                                  Pen of hrba
                                  Date and time
                                  August 26, 2013, 1:06PM
                                  • If Tony wins the election, will he live in the Lodge in Canberra?

                                    Commenter
                                    Carmella
                                    Location
                                    Brunswick
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 1:01PM
                                    • Of course not! He's already said he's going to live in a caravan in a remote indigenous community.

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                    • Will he ride his bike to work? (or keep on playing truckies)

                                      Commenter
                                      David D
                                      Location
                                      Ettalong Beach
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:10PM
                                  • Consider why CSIRO scientists are being ignored when they have accomplished:

                                    • Identification of sources of greenhouse gases (for example, our 2000-year records of greenhouse gases and isotopes have led the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to conclude that most of the warming of the past 50 years is due to greenhouse gases).

                                    • Implementation of our intelligent wind energy forecasting/energy storage systems.

                                    • Improved knowledge about the concentrations and sources of dioxins in Australia.

                                    • Improved use of satellite data to detect and understand long-term decreases in green vegetation cover over Australia.

                                    • Determination of water and carbon cycle budgets for improved natural resource management and climate prediction.

                                    • Input into the Environment Protection and Heritage Council's air quality and health (national ozone and sulfur dioxide) standards, and climate change impact assessments.

                                    • The development of the LoFlo carbon dioxide gas analyser, which has led to a ten-fold improvement in the precision of atmospheric measurement of CO2 in the atmosphere.

                                    Why are those with these proven accomplishments being ignored?

                                    Commenter
                                    Pen of hrba
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:53PM
                                    • @ Pen
                                      That sorts it!!! A vote for Katter will fix your issues! ;)

                                      Commenter
                                      FNirk
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:02PM
                                    • FNirk

                                      Very droll of you? Now read my above post? Beginning to feel a bit of goose are we?

                                      Commenter
                                      Pen of hrba
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:22PM
                                    • The climate changes slowly (heading to where it was 1500 years ago. The national debt changes quickly. Sort the debt 1st, then use full resources to implement full solutions.

                                      Commenter
                                      FNirk
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:11PM
                                    • Mascot is at capacity, it's just that we can't fit any more planes into the time it is allowed to operate.

                                      And how long until we have silent planes, I don't know you tell me? And again, we can wiat around for some massive leap in air technology or we start to find a real solution.

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:43PM
                                  • NEWSFLASH - Hot on the heels of Rudd's high speed rail announcement will come his next key campaign announcement that if elected, Labor will build a city on the moon by the year 3000.

                                    Commenter
                                    Tim of Altona
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                    • I thought as an infrastructure PM Abbott would be a big supporter of the FAst rail Link - oh that's right he wants to be an infrastructure PM who doesn't have an infrastrucutre policy!

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                    • Meanwhile citizen's of parramatta are still waiting for Julia Gillard and local ALP MP Julie Owens to complete the Parra-epping train line..can't wait for Kev to come and buy votes i mean recommit to the project this election season.

                                      Commenter
                                      Chris
                                      Location
                                      Parramatta
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:16PM
                                    • Macca, Australia already has high speed infrastructure between the major cities - they are called airplanes. They've been around for a while now and are quite a popular mode of transport between the major cities. Fast too.

                                      Money spent on infrastructure needs to be income producing assets - ports and roads are the two big ones. As we saw during labors handling of the GFC, money thrown around without purpose or planning is wasted long term.

                                      Commenter
                                      kp
                                      Location
                                      brisbane
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:23PM
                                    • KP - So if you wanted to go from the the CBD of Sydney to the CBD of Melbourne how long would it take by plane?

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                    • O & KP - How is the capacity of Sydney Airport going these days?

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                    • "KP - So if you wanted to go from the the CBD of Sydney to the CBD of Melbourne how long would it take by plane?"

                                      Did you mean today or in 35 years time?

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:44PM
                                    • Lewis - Either one will do?

                                      But your question actually demonstrates the point, this is about building infrastructure for the future - in 35 years time how bad will the road congestion be and how long will it take to get from Tullamarine to the CBD in Peak hour?
                                      Given Sydney Airport is already at capacity how more planes could make the Melb to Sydmey trip in 35 years?

                                      It's no point waiting for 30 years to solve a problem already forseeable.

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:59PM
                                    • Ahh, but Macca, in 35 years time who can say how we travel? We should have started with fast rail 20 years ago not now. Cars & trains for travel between Australian cities may well be obsolete by then. Planes that land vertically into CBD's may well be all the rage?

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:14PM
                                    • Lewsi - 20 years ago people probably said, but in 20 years who knows how we will travel!

                                      Sp yes we could plan for some major break through in air travel technology and do nothing for the next 35 years or we could take the initiative now based on what we know today.

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:23PM
                                    • BTW, Mascot airport is nowhere near capacity. It is politicaly constrained by a curfew and an imposed limit on aircraft movements. Again, how long before we have silent aircraft?

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:37PM
                                    • Macca75, to go Sydney CBD to Melbourne CBD would probably take about 3 1/2 to 4 hours, allowing 45 minutes to wait at Sydney airport and an hour to catch a cab from Tulla to the CBD of Melbourne. And you can do that TODAY not in 2035.

                                      Answer: We don't need fast trains.

                                      Commenter
                                      Alternate View
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:40PM
                                    • Mascot is at capacity, it's just that we can't fit any more planes into the time it is allowed to operate.

                                      And how long until we have silent planes, I don't know you tell me? And again, we can wiat around for some massive leap in air technology or we start to find a real solution

                                      AV - 3 1/2 to 4 hours today compared with 2 3/4 hours by train, that's a considerable time difference.
                                      And in 35 years do you expect there to be more or less traffic congestion, and where will the Sydney airport be that you fly out of?
                                      And how many people will be making the trip each day?

                                      Commenter
                                      Macca75
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:52PM
                                    • Good study here has FACTS about cost benefit of high speed trains vs air travel. It ain't simple and a 10% full train uses more energy that 1 person in a car. Of course a 10% full aircraft is really bad!

                                      http://www.uctc.net/access/37/access37_assessing_hsr.pdf

                                      Commenter
                                      Norm
                                      Location
                                      Maroubra
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 3:03PM
                                  • At 12.04 Fairfax journalist Tony Wright writes "Bus-ted" 'Tony Abbott is travelling in a fully imported bus'. LOL Tony, where do you think Kevin Rudds plane is made?

                                    Commenter
                                    Isenz
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:45PM
                                    • Poor old Tones can't fly on the taxpayers' account anymore now that he's offically launched the campaign.

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:01PM
                                  • What is this with Rudd and children. He seems to be spending more time with children than voters. I love children, but it is a bt early to target these little ones for the future. Doesn't he get on wth the voters? I am sure the Mums and Dads of these littlies will not chane their votes just because he plays with them. Or is that the only age he can communicate with?

                                    Commenter
                                    J.G.
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:35PM
                                    • JG kids and dogs seem to instinctively trust him - that should tell you something. As should the fact that the only dogs hanging around Mumbles are his policies.

                                      Commenter
                                      David D
                                      Location
                                      Ettalong Beach
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:53PM
                                    • J.G, the reason why Rudd is spending so much time with the kiddies, is that they will be ready to vote in 15 years and they don't ask questions.
                                      As long as he is careful not to scare them with the Youth unemployment figures currently at 25%.

                                      Commenter
                                      thepres
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:09PM
                                  • It's all very well for Tony Abbott to say he wants to be an infrastructure prime minister, but the Coalition have no history of ever being interested in infrastructure unless it benefits their rich mates.

                                    Is Tony Abbott talking about the Gina Northern Australia Economic Zone or is he talking about a real infrastructure project that benefits everyone?

                                    Or is this just another Tony Abbott vapourware statement?

                                    Commenter
                                    Tone
                                    Location
                                    Melbourne
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:35PM
                                    • Labor has just had 6 years in power in which they could have done something for Australia's infrastructure.

                                      So what did they do? Built School Halls.

                                      An endless system of referring to committees and preparing reports, but no action at all. They have redefined the term "do nothing" on significant national infrastructure.

                                      Even the NBN has been bungled in the extreme and has not the remotest chance of being finished in this decade, in spite of the initial promises to be done by 2016. Pathetic.

                                      Commenter
                                      Alternate View
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:57PM
                                    • Nearly every school that has a new school hall uses it. Sounds like a successful project to me.

                                      Pink Batts was another awesome project very much suffering from bad public relations. That has pretty much caused a reduction in wasteful energy usage across most of the country. That is therefore another successful project to me.

                                      And the NBN is another awesome project that has had a substandard delivery mainly due to the interference of the independents wanting their country locations built first. The Liberal Party version of the NBN is a piece of crap, and they cannot be trusted with that project.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:14PM
                                    • Singing on song Tone.

                                      You truly are missing the point aren't you?

                                      Both the School Halls and the Pink Batts schemes are regarded as extremely wasteful uses of taxpayer's money at best.

                                      As for the NBN, we can't know just how bad it is because Albo is refusing to release the current financial plan, which is on his desk. No doubt it is extremely bad news.

                                      The bad news for the ALP is that NBN bad news will be very good news for the incoming LNP government, as it will be fully justified in pruning back this additional waste of taxpayer's funds. This, by the way, is the ALP's $90 billion black hole.

                                      Commenter
                                      Alternate View
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:29PM
                                    • That's rubbish Alternative View. Projecting from the New Zealand NBN Cost / Benefits document, which is based on a near identical NBN design, the NBN is likely to bring in A$105 billion dollars to A$237 billion dollars over 20 years. In other words, regardless of how you paint the picture, the NBN will pay for itself.

                                      The same document goes on to say that if you only implement fibre to the node you don't achieve anywhere near the benefits of fibre to the home.

                                      Every country in the world that ever implemented fibre to the node actually regrets that decision and wishes that they had implemented fibre to the home.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 2:08PM
                                  • All voters must try and understand why both Rudd and Abbott are ignoring the advice of their own body of scientists, namely CSIRO scientists on climate change.

                                    Why would any political party do this? There is only one reason. Another more influential body is playing the tune to that they follow. What is Murdoch up to? What is Andrew Bolt up too with Gina?

                                    Why have climate change policies disappeared when climate change emissions are worse each week? Who are you voting for Abbott or Rudd, or those who play the tune to which they follow? In effect you will be voting for who and what?

                                    Place my efforts to one side and then simply ask yourself the above questions.

                                    Commenter
                                    Pen of hrba
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:33PM
                                    • Climate Change is a global problem. It needs to be addressed by ALL countries acting together.

                                      At 1.4% of total CO2 emissions, anything Australia does is just a puff in the wind.

                                      Commenter
                                      Alternate View
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:00PM
                                  • Kevin the builder must now have a crystal ball to be able to predict the near future revenue boom that must occur so he can fund all his airports, high speed rail, araldite factories, detention centres, you name it - he'll announce it. Where is the money coming from?

                                    Commenter
                                    enough is enough
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:28PM
                                    • It's currently about 1/6 of what the Liberal Party have promised. Labor Party $5 billion of projects promised. Liberal Party $30 billion.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:38PM
                                    • @Tone
                                      I'd rather $30b spent by a team that can manage it than $2.50 by a bunch of incompetents.

                                      Commenter
                                      FNirk
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:48PM
                                    • Hold on, he hasn't found the money for Disability Care or Gonski yet...

                                      Commenter
                                      Alternate View
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                    • So would I FNirk. It's a pity that the Liberals are so unbelievably financially incompetent as well that we can't trust them with $2.50!

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                  • I look forward to Politifact rating Abbott's comments on the weekend about Gillard dragging politics into the mud.

                                    The media just reporting that at face value was stupefying- the amount of villification of Gillard personally was astonishing during the past 3 years. Not to mention the way Abbott and his sidekicks like Pyne and Bernardi have villified any number of people personally over the years. We all know who dragged politics down into the mud, and it wasn't Julia Gillard.

                                    Commenter
                                    Arky
                                    Date and time
                                    August 26, 2013, 12:27PM
                                    • Where is the Liberal Party PolitiFact check that
                                      (1) this government is the worst in history?
                                      (2) that the economy is as bad as the Liberals say it is?

                                      Prove it!

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:26PM
                                      • Tone, you are right this is not the worst government, the worst was the Gillard mob followed by the Rudd government followed by the Whitlam lot.
                                        As for the economy, what is wrong with Youth unemployment, it is only running at 25%.

                                        Commenter
                                        thepres
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:52PM
                                      • The press is SCRUTINIZING the ALP to the most minute, yet no scrutiny for the Coalition.
                                        It's embarrassing that after Rudd delivers good news, I.e., new spear fast link between Syd and Melbourne, he then has to be humiliated into putting on his otherhay and doing the journalists jobs. He has to tell them what the other side is doing because the journalist are either lazy, incompetent or simply do not care to provide impartial coverage.

                                        Commenter
                                        Mali
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:54PM
                                      • Tone, you may not be old enough to realise that this is indeed the worst government in living memory.

                                        And yes, the local economy is rapidly failing, while the rest of the world is on the upswing. The rising rate of unemployment and the need to slash interest rates is the proof.

                                        Commenter
                                        Alternate View
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:03PM
                                      • The Pres - I heard a Professor of Politics say his favourite question in first year politics was to ask who the worst PM in history was just to get the answer "Whitlam" then he would go on to point out all the reforms Whitlam brought in that created the Australia we have today.
                                        Seems you are no smarter than a first year politics student.

                                        Commenter
                                        Macca75
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                      • Alternate View I want facts not your biased view.

                                        Just about every good project has been painted by the Liberals as bad. It's part of their relentless negativity.

                                        A good economy with a triple-A rating from 3 agencies and low international debt has been rated by the Liberal as bad. Relentless negativity.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tone
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:21PM
                                      • Gough Whitlam is usually called bad by the right as he implemented policies that benefited the majority of the population and not the rich.

                                        He did have a few failures, but these are counteracted by many visionary achievements.

                                        His substantial achievements actually underpin our way of life to some degree. The fact that it does this is very annoying to the rich, who dislike the fact that everyone is getting a benefit and not just them.

                                        His substantial achievements include:
                                        The Trade Practices Act
                                        The Racial Discrimination Act
                                        A National Health Insurance Scheme that ultimately led to Medicare
                                        He improved the position of women
                                        He set up free university education
                                        He ended conscription.

                                        There are a whole lot of other policies he implemented that the right have every intention of tearing down, because that's what they do.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tone
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:37PM
                                      • I love it when the ALP tries to protect itself by comparing us against the rest of the world.

                                        Firstly, the AAA credit rating was earned by the LNP government prior to KRudd's spending spree.

                                        We had $70 billion in the bank in 2007. We now have nearly $300 in debt. NO OTHER Western nation has gone as quickly into debt as Australia has during the last 6 years - most already had far more debt than us and have increased their debt % to GDP's at much reduced rates compared to Australia.

                                        The reality is that if we continue with the ALP government and it's spending ways, a AAA credit rating is extremely likely to disappear.

                                        Remember they promised well over 200 times that they would produce a surplus before now... and they haven't.

                                        Commenter
                                        Alternate View
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                      • "I love it when the ALP tries to protect itself by comparing us against the rest of the world."

                                        Seriously mate you need to take a suppository and lie down.

                                        There is no other way than comparing us with the rest of the world. I bet you don't believe in climate change either - only 90% of the scientists in the world agree that climate change is real.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tone
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 2:03PM
                                    • The hapless Rudd announces yet another never never policy - high speed rail on the east coast in tandem with a second airport for Sydney in tandem with a $70 to $90bn NBN project.

                                      Yeah right Kevin - we believe you.

                                      What a waste of everyones time that press conference was.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tim of Altona
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:23PM
                                      • Tim you said yourself that the NBN is getting built near your house right now. I'd hardly call that never ever.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tone
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:37PM
                                      • Unless you are a dyed in the wool conservative its a waste of time reading your comments Tim. I notice you have stated n the past that your preference for speaker in the HR is Bronwyn Bishop. Is it the sex appeal Tim or her suppository of wisdom?

                                        Commenter
                                        Timmy boys at it again
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:48PM
                                    • How is this for a conspiracy theory boys and girls.

                                      The Labor backroom boys and girls knew that they could not win under Ms Gillard or whoever was going to lead it into this election, so to kill two birds with one stone, they worked it so Mr Rudd would be the next leader of the Labor Party.

                                      In this way they knew that they would get rid of Mr Rudd as well Ms Gillard and all would go back to normal. Mr Rudd would not hang around after the election and so he would not be able to undermine the the next leader. It is even more good news for them as it now seems that Mr Rudd could also lose his seat.

                                      That would give them 3/4 years to rework the New Labor for the following election with no baggage hanging around.

                                      If you thing about it very few Labor Ministers are on any media during this election, apart from Mr Rudd. He is the face of the Labor Party in this election.

                                      I also suspect to achieve this that Ministers appointed by Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard will also get the flick from the Labor front bench.

                                      So far all seems to be going to plan.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tc
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:21PM
                                      • That's IF he loses his seat (mighty big if). What happens if he loses the election, keeps his seat & refuses to quit? Answer: more entertainment all around :)

                                        Commenter
                                        Lewis
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:47PM
                                      • Lewis, yes, Rudd is gone in Griffith!

                                        No doubt KRudd will be judged harshly in the cold light of a post election morning, and the Unions will be able to use his legacy as a means to maintain their stranglehold of power in the ALP.

                                        Commenter
                                        Alternate View
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:10PM
                                    • Mr Rudd: "The future is never the identical to where you've been in the past."
                                      (Well, no. For one thing that would make life pretty boring.)

                                      If it's that obvious Stephanie, why are there so many bozos posting here on the joys of bringing back Howard lite?

                                      Commenter
                                      Whyalla Wipeout
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:19PM
                                      • One thing is for sure. Kevin does not want to be anywhere near the past ever again. It's new way all the way.

                                        Commenter
                                        Lewis
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 1:22PM
                                    • Re the latest news from the PM regarding the ghastly events that have occurred in Syria to those poor poor people. We went to war with Iraq on wrong information. You must have burden of proof established. What kind of society would we become if the burden became proof of innocence as our PM has said Syria must provide. Wouldn't it be the stupidest thing for the Regime in Syria while weapons inspectors were in their country to use chemical weapons, and wouldn't it be the obvious choice of an enemy "whoever" of the Regime in power?

                                      Commenter
                                      Optomist
                                      Location
                                      Hi
                                      Date and time
                                      August 26, 2013, 12:15PM
                                      • It amazes me how a person can be an LNP or ALP supporter for life no matter what the current facts of the day tells you.

                                        For the LNP supporters: please tell me how the LNP will make life better for us in the future. A surplus is not a proper vision for the future (I can have a personal surplus now if I sell my assets today but it's hardly sound financial planning for the future)

                                        The plans that the media are showing us seems like vote grabbing to me, maybe you can swing my vote?

                                        Commenter
                                        Prosper
                                        Date and time
                                        August 26, 2013, 12:11PM
                                          • I understand that spending money that you have is far wiser than spending money that you don't have. Selling assets to acquire that money is constantly over-bleated by the left. Sound economic management is the LNP method of acquiring most of the capital for a surplus.

                                            Commenter
                                            FNirk
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:25PM
                                          • I seriously doubt that your vote swings at all.

                                            Commenter
                                            Lewis
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                          • Yes FNirk, that's why people wait until they've saved the money to buy a house. LNP economics at its finest.

                                            Commenter
                                            BC
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                          • @Lewis and FNirk. I was hoping for some constructive points to have a think about (instead of the constant bashing remarks).
                                            I'm not saying I'm currently sitting on the fence with my vote mate...

                                            Commenter
                                            Prosper
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 1:13PM
                                        • New rail corridor - The first stage of the project would be Sydney to Melbourne via the Southern Highlands, Canberra, Wagga Wagga, Albury Wodonga and Shepparton. It would be completed by 2035. The second stage would connect Sydney and Brisbane via the Central Coast and Newcastle. First stage 2035 - that is 22 years away - do they really think we are that stupid to believe this announcement - that is another 7 govts away!!

                                          Commenter
                                          Baltic13
                                          Date and time
                                          August 26, 2013, 12:04PM
                                          • @Baltic13

                                            Educate yourself on how long it took to build the Sydney Opera House.

                                            Commenter
                                            J. Fraser
                                            Location
                                            Queensland
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:20PM
                                          • Baltic13, same old garbage from Labor and Albanese, just taking the public for fools.
                                            More wasted money on a report that will sit on his desk (like the NBN), perhaps he could tell us about the report he commissioned for the 2nd. Sydney airport. Work should have started years ago.
                                            If the Greens have there way how is Albo going to run the train, on AA batteries.
                                            I'll bet J.Fraser will fall for this rubbish.

                                            Commenter
                                            thepres
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:24PM
                                          • If you are stupid enough to believe that:
                                            - Abbott can be trusted,
                                            - all it takes to stop the boats is to do exactly what you did in 2001
                                            - all it takes to balance the budget is to make Joe Hockey Treasurer
                                            - barely meeting the broadband requirements of 2010 will be good enough in 2018

                                            and any other specious, meretricious nonsense peddled by the Liberal Party - of course you would believe this.

                                            Commenter
                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:24PM
                                          • Sorry mate - you can*t just grab it at
                                            Toyz R Us and just snap it together; it requires a little vision and planning.
                                            You may have got it mixed up with Stumbles Hockeys instant surplus (just add magic water and wait one - or is that three - terms)

                                            Commenter
                                            David D
                                            Location
                                            Ettalong Beach
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:35PM
                                          • J Fraser - where in my comment have I mentioned the "Opera House" to which you refer?

                                            Commenter
                                            Baltic13
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:44PM
                                          • Yeah, complete nonsense from the ALP, trying to "me too" Tony Abbott's actual commitments to real infrastructure projects.

                                            The report on Sydney's airport was done a long time ago, Albo has sat on it and even ignored it's recommendation (Badgerys Creek) since it has been received. Rudd deliberately did not commit to making a decision in the first debate: therefore it will never happen under an ALP government, because they have had plenty of opportunity to do so already.

                                            Fast train? What a joke. This chestnut is wheeled out again and again, NOTHING ever happens.

                                            And by the way, even the FAST internet is in the same boat - a slow one. With no rollout targets being met and even less people singing up, it's the biggest joke on the electorate yet.

                                            No, let's elect a new government that will actually DO something, not just announce it over and over.

                                            Commenter
                                            Alternate View
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 12:52PM
                                          • Fraser,
                                            Educate yourself on the era the Opera House was built! It's the 21st Century now Fras.
                                            Educate yourself on how quickly other countries around the world can build a high-speed rail project.
                                            Rudd is promising everything under the sun that he won't be around to have to deal with.

                                            Commenter
                                            beasleyst
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 1:07PM
                                        • J.Fraser, guess who's down here at the bottom, the 7 Labor MP s who will not serve with Rudd. So you don't have to tell us now, I am just happy that Rudd is going to get tossed out along with about 15 of his MP s.
                                          J.Fraser I have found something for you and Steeden to do after Sept 8th. get hold of all the Ballot forms that are left over and spend the next 9 years filling them in.

                                          Commenter
                                          thepres
                                          Date and time
                                          August 26, 2013, 12:00PM
                                          • Rudd looks like a stunned mullet in his press conference.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pan129953
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            August 26, 2013, 11:58AM
                                            • "Labor's response to the high speed rail advisory committee's report."

                                              Reminds me of Sydney's North West rail link announcement by then NSW transport minister Carl Scully in 1998!

                                              Commenter
                                              Lewis
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              August 26, 2013, 11:51AM
                                                • Also reminds me of the Epping to Parramatta rail link promise a few days before the last election. Just empty promises...

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pawel
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:58AM
                                                • 2035!!! In Spain with all its economic problems and massive unemployment it plans to build 3,000km of high speed rail tracks in 10 years.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pan129953
                                                  Location
                                                  Melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 12:07PM
                                                • And of course Albo then did everything within his power to prevent the Barry O'Farrell government starting the North West Rail link... which is underway now due to the LNP State government.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Alternate View
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 1:05PM
                                              • Oh Help ... another high speed rail announcement. Deja vu perhaps? Does he take us as seriously as we don't take him?

                                                Commenter
                                                FNirk
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:44AM
                                                • Ye old high speed train announcement- coming to an electorate near you.

                                                  Announced every election
                                                  Renounced by every government

                                                  Commenter
                                                  yys
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                • Please please please don't let him touch another project.
                                                  We will never see fast rail if he gets his hands on it!!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Now you see him
                                                  Location
                                                  Soon you won't
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:57AM
                                              • Rudd has just tweeted that the PPL is $75k for billionaires.
                                                Last week it was $75k for millionaires.
                                                Next week it will be $75k for trillionaires followed closely by $75k for zillionaires.

                                                Desperate times in the Rudd camp as the election date draws near.

                                                Commenter
                                                Tim of Altona
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                • Slippery slope reasoning is a logical fallacy.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  tasch2
                                                  Location
                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                • I've got my boots ready for the election.
                                                  The people of Australia will leave a very big imprint in the back side of Kevin Rudd.
                                                  Larger boots will be appropriate for the day.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Now you see him
                                                  Location
                                                  Soon you won't
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:42AM
                                                • Rudd declares public service babies can be the only "special" babies. Who would have thought , and from a Labor government, too.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  ThereisnoyouinLabor
                                                  Location
                                                  Brisbane
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                • Apparently "Tim of Altona" is a little peeved.

                                                  Technology will soon make it available for you "Tim".

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                • That's if ALP haven't re-installed JG by then to boost their election chances.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  FNirk
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:49AM
                                                • Rudd should have a look at what the government currently pays public servants on maternity leave.
                                                  Government babies already on a better wicket than 'normal' babies.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  yys
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:50AM
                                                • Does Kevin Rudd think that the working families of Australia are not good enough to get the same Parental leave benefits as his own staff?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Not for me hey?
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                • I would point out that Tanya Plibersek and Sofie Mirabella both had maternity leaves at full parliamentary salaries.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Lewis
                                                  Location
                                                  Sydney
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                • @JFraser - very pleased to see men running around in blue jackets with NBN emblazoned on them out the front of my house last week - actually climbing in and out of Telstra pits with lots of wires hanging out and looking like they were connecting something.

                                                  Looks like I may have the NBN long ahead of you..

                                                  Julia's parting gift to Altona perhaps?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Tim of Altona
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:59AM
                                              • For the climate change deniers and supporters of Rudd and Abbott the following is what your own leading scientific organization states. Others please remember these when voting.

                                                “Greater and more widespread impacts are expected when global warming passes 2 °C above pre-Industrial levels… To avoid dangerous climate change, the world needs to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. This calls for broad-based action…”(CSIRO)

                                                “In the past century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74 ºC. The observed increase in average temperatures is widespread around the globe, with rising trends recorded on all continents and in the oceans” (CSIRO).

                                                “Changes to our climate have the potential to create major impacts on human and natural systems. Further changes to our climate are likely as concentrations of greenhouse gases continue to increase” (CSIRO).

                                                “Greenhouse gas emissions from human activities are more than 90 per cent likely to have caused most of the global warming since the mid-20th century” (CSIRO).

                                                “Greenhouse gas emissions at or above present rates will cause further warming and induce many changes in the global climate system during the 21st century” (CSIRO).

                                                Deniers can ignore me and think it clever, but it is another and greater leap into stupidity to ignore our own taxpayer funded scientists.

                                                Commenter
                                                Pen of hrba
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:35AM
                                                • Repetitive cut & paste is the same as repetitive 3 word slogans.

                                                  Cavities abound.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:42AM
                                                • In the last 17 years the temperature around the globe has dropped, not risen.
                                                  This will send a chill through the spine of alarmist scientists that rely on the climate warming to receive their funding.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Now you see him
                                                  Location
                                                  Soon you won't
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:50AM
                                                • Pen...Humans can be so narcissistic......even to the point where they think they are the main perpetrators of global warming, not just a small cog in the wheel. From this research, plate tectonics comes out to be the real villian, not humans.
                                                  "The middle to Late Cretaceous is known to have been one of the warmest periods during the Phanerozoic: the average global temperature was probably >6ºC higher than that of today, there is no evidence of permanent and seasonal ice, forests and vertebrates occurred near both poles, and warm anoxic oceans may have promoted organic carbon burial
                                                  (e.g., [1,17]). Because the global seafloor spreading rate was almost twice the present one (e.g., [18,19]),and also because large amounts of oceanic plateau basalt were produced at that time [19], high atmospheric CO2 levels might have been maintained as
                                                  a result of an effective metamorphism–volcanism ofcarbonates in addition to the small land area [3,4,15]
                                                  and an effective CO2 degassing from the mantle[11] at that time. Decreasing mantle activities and the formation and uplift of the Himalayas and the
                                                  Tibetan Plateau may have been responsible for theMesozoic–Cenozoic cooling trend (e.g., [3–6,20])"

                                                  Commenter
                                                  JT
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                • it's hard to correct the ignorance of some pen....but one has to try.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  JT
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                • Pen you are a conservative.

                                                  How can you accept climate change.

                                                  JT thanks for the explanation of course all those things you speak about happenned in the space of 100 years.

                                                  The carbon in 375 ml of oil equates with a dinosaur. How many those are used each minute of the day.

                                                  No you derniers will suddenly become all knowing beleivers one day when its all too late.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Francis One
                                                  Location
                                                  Holy See
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                              • I hope The ALP can pull off a come from behind win. Rudd has been treated appallingly not just by his political opponents but also by the press. This has unleashed a lynch mob mentality against this man. Rudd has solid, positive policies which do not appear to be based on fantasy (doubling our current full time rate in 1 term, handing out $75000 to women earning $150000, buying all the leaky boats in Indonesia- all by abolishing the carbon tax, which the ALP has already said it would do and the mining tax, which has brought in no revenue). I want the NBN, I want Gonski for our kids, I want expanded healthcare, the school kids bonus, I want to stop paying for other people's luxury vehicles, I want savings but not at the expense of social services, or our parents' self funded super, I don't want for us to go into austerity measures which will lead us to a recession. I don't want Abbott and his mob.

                                                Commenter
                                                Mali
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:30AM
                                                • Please - the man acknowledged that Labor had no mandate to put in a Carbon Tax but yet when it came to the vote he voted for it. Rudd has no credibility and hence why the ALP will not win this election.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pawel
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:34AM
                                                • Just to add to that the list of the great policies Labor announced - the Epping to Paramatta rail link, promised but never delivered, the new Sydney airport another thought bubble that will never be delivered, and now the high speed rail. Voters see through these empty promises.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pawel
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                • Recession caused by austerity measures ... have you really found something that Rudd can be believed about?!?!?! I don't think so.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  FNirk
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:37AM
                                                • Rudd has had the courage to admit that his government has not been perfect(When did Howard apologise for children overboard or helping us invade a country on the basis of lies?), in regards to introducing the Carbon Tax without a mandate, that was Gillard, not Rudd.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Mali
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:44AM
                                                • Mali - but he did vote for the Carbon tax - knowing there was no mandate. If he disagreed with the policy he could have voted against it or abstained. He chose to vote for it - now asking the people for forgiveness. Too little too late.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pawel
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:54AM
                                                • Mail, your post is satire is it? It can't be serious, because KRudd is the one who persistently undermined his opponents in the 2010 election and to give them credit, all of KRudds "casualties" have kept 100% silent during this campaign.

                                                  As for his poor treatment, give me a break. If anyone is more demonised in this political atmosphere it is Tony Abbott, where all sorts of lies have been made to try and denigrate a person who, by all reports of those that meet him, is a genuinely decent Australian.

                                                  A hell of a lot of people who know KRudd can't force themselves to make the same observation of course.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Alternate View
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                • And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Bob from Ballarat
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:24AM
                                                • yes I can explain........it's a forum for views opinions etc and everyone gets a say and it's a very good way of expressing yourself because most friends and acquaintences don't want to talk about politics. If anyone thinks that they are the only right, correct, sane commenter and everyone else is stupid, then they have a problem.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  JT
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:16AM
                                              • What is with Rudd and little kids? Is he afraid of mixing with adults who might tell him what a dud he was as PM?

                                                Commenter
                                                airato
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:13AM
                                                • Kevin Rudd's constant interaction with little kiddies or primary-aged school children, demonstrates how out of touch he is with the electorate. He should be actively engaging people who will vote, not future voters 10 years down the track. .

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Sarah of Carnegie
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                • Those are adults, but with the IQ of five years. Very disconcerting unless you are a fraud like Abbott.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:38AM
                                                • @ Whyalla Wipeout - you talk about "vile negativity" and lack of policy. All I've seen from you, J. Fraser & a host of your fellow travellers are insults, attacjks and abuse directed at Abbott, the Coalition and their supporters.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                  Location
                                                  Melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                • Tim, a Liberal squawker complaining about being the victim of vile negativity is like a thief complaining about a pickpocket.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                                              • J.Fraser, I told you to take it easy otherwise you would fall apart, I suppose it is too late now.
                                                Ms Plibersek, came up with a good one for you when she was talking about Medical Centres.
                                                "She said those who weren't on the frontline were involved in co-ordinating care, for example, by organising a roster of psychologists to come into an area after a traumatic event.
                                                The traumatic event she is talking about is Labor's loss on Sept 8th.

                                                Commenter
                                                thepres
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                • @"thepres"

                                                  Still sinking to the bottom, I see.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:28AM
                                                • @ J.Fraser
                                                  Something you would have to look skywards to observe, no doubt; if you are as seriously attached to the ALP as you make out.
                                                  Gillard by 10!!!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  FNirk
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                • Fraser, you are wrong. Already at the bottom. He/she/it can't see because of all the muck.

                                                  However, the post does highlight the whole LNP process of talking alternative vile negativity and nastiness, but with no serious policy in sight.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                • @Nirk

                                                  Still living in the 50s I see.

                                                  The number was revised up to 13.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  J. Fraser
                                                  Location
                                                  Queensland
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:47AM
                                                • @Fraser
                                                  If we didn't have the fifties you would have quite reached the sixtys yet.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  FNirk
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 12:00PM
                                                • Pure Gold the pres what a ripper just brilliant stuff!!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  ultra
                                                  Location
                                                  Mel
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 2:03PM
                                              • Can anyone explain why this venue is infested with stupidities day after day? Why serious debate is continually overwhelmed by credulous nonsense?

                                                Commenter
                                                Pen of hrba
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                • yes I can explain........it's a forum for views opinions etc and everyone gets a say and it's a very good way of expressing yourself because most friends and acquaintences don't want to talk about politics. If anyone thinks that they are the only right, correct, sane commenter and everyone else is stupid, then they have a problem.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  JT
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:16AM
                                                • And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Bob from Ballarat
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 11:24AM
                                              • Photos @ 10:36 am. Poor Kev. The things you have to do to win a jumped up popularity contest.

                                                Commenter
                                                Lewis
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                August 26, 2013, 11:06AM
                                                • Any good news yet, so far the road to a debtocracy is growing every day.

                                                  Is this what we have to vote for?

                                                  Santas Clauss is coming in 4 month.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  half
                                                  Location
                                                  Sydney
                                                  Date and time
                                                  August 26, 2013, 10:59AM
                                                  • Coalition leader Tony Abbott is in Queensland repeating his great desire to be an "infrastructure prime minister".

                                                    Remind me....what infrastructure has he got planned again?.......does he mean roads maybe?.....anything else?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    JT
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                    • A little more than KRudd playing with blocks and sandcastles! Just who isthis guy trying to impress?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      FNirk
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:48AM
                                                    • He plans to give an inconsequential amount to build a road in Melb that nobody really wants and the benfit of which is disputed to say the least but won't put any money towards a rail project that everyone wants and will have huge benefit - say it all really.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:52AM
                                                    • A new maritime building in Indonesia for his people smuggling partners to produce more boats,cost isnt an issue,he has a blank cheque for them.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Archer
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:55AM
                                                    • Yes, he promised to make a decision on the Sydney Airport in the next term of government, a commitment that the ALP has not only failed to do in the last 6 years, but also KRudd failed to match in the first debate.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:55AM
                                                    • OK thanks....that's a few roads and a 'decision' in 3 years on an airport which could be a yes or no. It's still a delaying tactic like ALP's. How can you be an 'infrastructure prime minister' if you don't have any 'this is what we are going to start in the next 3 years'? except roads...coz everyone in the past has built roads? LNP don't do infrastructure...what's he on about?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JT
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                    • Kevin Rudd must be running out of schools to visit by now.
                                                      Maybe it's time to get down to the local Bunnings store to buy him a sand pit for his enjoyment.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                    • AV - He has promised a decision! Yippee!!
                                                      You do realise that decision could be "We don't need a second airport" or "we will build one in 2050" or given his NBN policy - "we will build a second airport designed for bi-planes"

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                    • Macca75
                                                      Do you realise that the current NBN has been an engineering project disaster?
                                                      Most of Australia would be lucky to get connected by 2050 at the rate they are going.
                                                      And the NBN cash burn rate is not going to make it possible to complete the project anyway.
                                                      Keep on playing with the Lego-set Kevin, 'cause soon that is all you will be doing!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:19AM
                                                    • The problems with the existing NBN is that there had to be negotiations with the independents to get it through. This let to high cost rollouts going first in remote areas. After the election, no matter who gets in, expect things to change and the rollout to occur in more profitable areas.

                                                      The Labor NBN is far superior to the Liberal NBN. The Liberals should complete the Labor NBN but manage it better, assuming they get in.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tone
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 12:23PM
                                                  • This 300 word limit on comments is way too generous. 100 words is more than enough.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Lewis
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:33AM
                                                    • Good point. Then we wouldn't have nearly as much stuff from PEN.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:37AM
                                                    • AV

                                                      You stole my thunder!

                                                      You know that Steph's thread has become Pen's playground.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      $keptic
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:49AM
                                                    • I can't comment on the stuff from Pen. I don't read them. Too long.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:51AM
                                                    • As soon as I found out PEn doesn't vote I stopped reading her opinion, if you don't vote you lose the right to complain about the govt.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:55AM
                                                  • If a rolled gold maternity leave for the mega rich and buying boats to keep the people smugglers in diamonds then i think Pommy boat immigrant Abbott needs to go back to England and leave Rudd to keep this country moving forward.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Steeden
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:29AM
                                                    • No hint of exaggeration or hypocracy here...

                                                      Unlike of course our promised "Rolls Royce" NBN.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:39AM
                                                    • Steeden

                                                      Is there supposed to be 'wit' behind your constant reference to Pommy immigrant Abbott? If so, I fail to see; other than repetitious ennui.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      $keptic
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:47AM
                                                    • A Rolls Royce NBN campared to POMMY Abbotts clapped out VW FRADBAND with no wheels.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Steeden
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                    • I didn't hear you complaining about Julia Gillard's heritage...

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:04AM
                                                    • Or the clapped-out, tired personal abuse from the ALP and its supporters...

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:04AM
                                                    • Nothing left for them to attack. Personal rubbish wears thin very quickly.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      FNirk
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                  • Ok, so the Editor does not want to publish my comment about Julie Bishop's disgraceful speech at the Liberal launch.

                                                    We spend time teaching our children not to bully. We spend time teaching our girls not to be bitchy, derogatory and nasty.

                                                    We spend time teaching them the nasty comments on Facebook and Twitter are bullying and not acceptable.

                                                    We have seen the victims of verbal bullying commit suicide and / or develop depression or other mental illnesses.

                                                    Julie Bishop's speech about Kevin Rudd was all of these things. It was NOT funny.

                                                    Neither was it a speech that should have been delivered by someone who should be aware of her responsibility as a role model to Australia's teenagers, especially the girls.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    TiredOfSpin
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:28AM
                                                    • An effective Foreign Minister she will make......NOT

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JT
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:47AM
                                                    • I am a coalition voter and with some of these points I agree. Time to grow up Julie!
                                                      Now Kevin advises us that he does not intend to lose this election. If you are a believer Kevin it's time to acknowledge that the outcome will not be determined by your will or mine but by another infinitely greater than us who also established Marriage and its covenant relationship.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Optomist
                                                      Location
                                                      Still
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                    • It's a matter of perspective isn't it?

                                                      I thought it was a hoot.

                                                      She will make a great Prime Minister some day.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                    • Julie Bishop was simply highlighting Kevin Rudd as the man who reduced an RAAF flight attendant to tears; who apparently threw a tantrum about a hairstyle or some such; who cursed anyone and everyone on video about a speech; who was described in absolutely tyrannical terms by his own colleagues; who is a widely-acknowledged control freak. Some of these behaviours are marginal to say the least.

                                                      The sad fact is that the ALP and its supporters are quick to label Tony Abbott as "mad" or "The Mad Monk", aggro, nasty, a bully, etc. But they don't like demonstrated facts being brought into focus.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:02AM
                                                    • Bishops speech was very very amusing.

                                                      Not only did The Geelong Advertiser made it into a Liberal Party Campaign Launch but tracky dacks got their 15 minutes of fame.
                                                      Love it!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      yys
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:29AM
                                                    • While at the same time Abbott complained about Gillard dragging politics into the mud.

                                                      After the way the Libs besieged Gillard for 3 years, I thought this was particularly despicable (predictably, the media failed to call out Abbott's amazing historical revisionism).

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Arky
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 12:23PM
                                                  • It is becoming increasingly clear that Kevin Rudd's "PNG Solution" is exactly the same in substance as Julia Gillard's "East Timor Solution" i.e. NOT a solution.

                                                    Proof is in the pudding when the PNG government publically states that they understood there would be a maxim 3000 refugees and that number has been exceeded already, with more coming.

                                                    The key is that the ALP isn't really serious about stopping the boats, they just want to appear to try.

                                                    Black holes? Try the ever increasing black hole that is the money spent on "unauthorised boat arrivals". $11 billion and counting.

                                                    Add that to the $11 per year we are now paying to service the ALP federal debt and you have a lot of wasted money that is there to for a responsible government to recover.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Alternate View
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:18AM
                                                    • "The PNG solution is not a solution" - but over paying fishermen for the rundown boats is a solution?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:30AM
                                                    • "Add that to the $11 per year we are now paying to service the ALP federal debt and you have a lot of wasted money.."
                                                      Looks like someone's been studying at Hockey U

                                                      Commenter
                                                      1+1 is 2 2+2 is 4 .....
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:35AM
                                                    • Macca75..
                                                      But the PNG solution is a farce, and it is such an expensive farce.
                                                      Then again Kevin Rudd is a farce. All theatre and no substance!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:40AM
                                                    • Now you see him - and waht is the Lib policy again - doens't it involve porcessing asylum seekers in PNG?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                    • Macca75
                                                      Either way the PNG solution is a farce, and Kevin Rudd is a farce for setting it up the first place.
                                                      He did not set it up to resolve the problem, he did it for local consumption.
                                                      What a joke!!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:06AM
                                                    • Now you see him - "Either way it is a joke" well that is a good reason to vote liberal - I hate this govt's policy so I'll vote for the party that has the same policy except they'll also spend a few million improving the fisihng fleet of indonesia!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Macca75
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:14AM
                                                    • Macca75,
                                                      Kevin is your man then!
                                                      He really did a good job at fooling you.
                                                      First he destroys the very solution that worked, the he pretends to be a hero for trying to fix his own mess.
                                                      Kevin is a pretender!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Now you see him
                                                      Location
                                                      Soon you won't
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:23AM
                                                  • On Saturday, The Greens formally launched their 2013 campaign. From that time on, the Greens were no longer entitled to have their traveling costs (etc) paid by the Taxpayer.

                                                    Yesterday, The Coalition launched their campaign. With that, the "valuable taxpayer funding for MPs' travel costs was) cut off” (ABC).

                                                    Presently, only Labor is continuing to rely upon or trawl through taxpayer provided travel costs.

                                                    They will continue to do so until next Sunday when Labor officially launches it’s campaign, 6 days out from election day, with all travel funding until then, courtesy of the Taxpayer. Not so, the Greens or Coalition.

                                                    When it comes to spending, waste, or continuing to take from the public purse, Labor’s electoral spending integrity trails the Greens and Coalition.

                                                    The 2007 election was held on 24/11/07, with Labor launching its campaign 10 days out (14/11), the Coalition, on 2/11 (+12), and the Democrats, 10/11 (+14).

                                                    Even in 2004, with the election held on 9/10/04, the Coalition launched on 26/9 (+13), and Labor, 29/9 (+11).

                                                    In 2010, the election was held on 21/8/10, with Labor officially launching on 16/8 (5 days out from election day), and the Coalition, 8/8 (+13), and the Greens circa 1/8 (national) through 10/8 (Sate based).

                                                    Now, in 2013, the campaign launches are - Greens, 24/8 (+14), Coalition, 25/8 (+13), and Labor, 1/9 (6 days out).

                                                    In Labor’s last 4 campaigns (including 2013), they have launched +11, +10, +5, and now +6.

                                                    The Coalition have launched, +13, +12, +13, and now, +13.

                                                    Even now, Labor wants to keep itself tied to spending as much of its campaign effort as is possible, from being paid out of Taxpayer funds, rather than in using its own campaign dollars.

                                                    Labor - last to launch; first to claim. That's Labor spending >> at your expense.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Grant
                                                    Location
                                                    Mitcham
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:17AM
                                                    • Make it very easy, once writs issued the campaign has started, same for all.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Jitterry
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:26AM
                                                    • Interesting analysis.

                                                      And of course, the ALP is continuing to run Government funded ads for it's policies, even though it should not be during the caretaker period.

                                                      And to think that Kevin Rudd "guaranteed" that Government funded advertising would never happen (without opposition approval) under an ALP government. Sounds familiar.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:28AM
                                                  • Kevin Rudd admitted on Sunday that the ALP did not have a mandate to introduce the carbon tax; another 65 boat people have arrived (making that some 3,000+) since the PNG solution was announced; where are the announcements as to how the ALP is going to pay back the debt; Julia Gillard won't be attending the ALP launch in Brisbane (has she wiped her hands of Kevin Rudd and what the ALP stands for?); vote for another three years resulting in the same as the last six years - I don't think so

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Baltic13
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:17AM
                                                    • Baltic13 - how many arrivals since PNG? How is a AAA economy -built over the last 6 years- a bad thing? Seems you are buying into Murdoch's bs,

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Sad sack
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:30AM
                                                    • Sad sack - it is over 3,000 arrivals - no response to carbon tax mandate - quoting AAA rating - what about the debt - only 12 more sleeps until 7/9/13 and an LNP win

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Baltic13
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:42AM
                                                    • Really? After the '07" election he had a mandate to bring in a Carbon Emissions Scheme. Although there was a mandate, the Coalition voted down the Bill, twice.

                                                      Rudd described this in his debate with Abbott.

                                                      I certainly have not heard Rudd say he did not have a mandate for the Carbon Tax.

                                                      Julia Gillard certainly did not have a mandate for the Carbon Tax, but she did get it passed in the Senate and therefore into law.

                                                      Now Rudd wants to pursue his 07 mandate for an ETS.

                                                      I don't see how your comment applies in this scenario. I suggest you check facts (and your hearing) before you comment.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      TiredOfSpin
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:51AM
                                                    • Tired of Spin - I checked my hearing - don't insult my intelligence - Speaking on ABC TV’s Insiders programme on Sunday morning, Rudd said he was “the first one to admit that in the past the [Labor] government has got a number of things wrong” and he cited as an example: “I don’t think our actions on the carbon tax were right and I changed it … We didn’t have a mandate for it.”

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Baltic13
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:14AM
                                                    • Sad sack we actually got 2 of the AAA ratings back in 2002/3 from the 2 main ratings agencies, you know when the coalition were in goverment. Those 2 AAA ratings that had been lost by Hawke and Keating. The third, from Fitch, a new player was at AA+ when labor came in. all agencies have put us on warning that there must be a credible path to surplus for the AAA ratings to stay. So far labor have been unable to show any credibility when it comes to budgeting. But labor are very good at trying to claim successes of others and pass on their own failures.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Already Reflected
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 11:58AM
                                                    • That needs correcting too. John Howard as treasurer in the Fraser government created the massive economic structural problem that caused Hawke and Keating to inherit a massive debt. Hawke and Keating restructured the economy and brought in massive productivity and standard of living improvements. Keating was kicked out and Howard and Costello were able to ride the wave of economic prosperity essentially from Keating's economic innovations. Of course, Howard also had the benefit of selling all the assets and introducing the biggest tax in Australian history (GST).

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tone
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 2:49PM
                                                    • Baltic 13. Yes as I said Gillard did not have a mandate for a carbon tax. I think the "we" Rudd used to the Labor Party. After the election when Labor formed a minority government, Labor did not have a mandate for the Carbon Tax.

                                                      Gillard's Carbon Tax that she negotiated with the polluters is very different to an ETS.

                                                      Me, I advocate a Resource Rent Tax just like that of the Scandinavian countries. Once it is mined and sold it cannot ever be returned.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      TiredOfSpin
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 4:40PM
                                                  • Just had a read of Paul Sheehan's article. I wasn't aware that Fairfax had outsourced its photoshop division to the Daily Telegraph.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Not quite a suppository of wisdom
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:17AM
                                                    • Yeah. Brilliant isn't it!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Alternate View
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:24AM
                                                  • Clive Palmer debating Bob Katter?? THAT will be a real hoot!!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Lewis
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    August 26, 2013, 10:09AM
                                                    • The evidence is now conclusive & irrefutable. Abbott looks positively awkward & gawky kissing the ladies. Photo at 9:31 am.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      August 26, 2013, 10:03AM
                                                      • More better reading than what "Pen" has to offer :

                                                        http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/murdochs-election-coverage-insult-to-australians-20130825-2sjz8.html

                                                        Commenter
                                                        J. Fraser
                                                        Location
                                                        Queensland
                                                        Date and time
                                                        August 26, 2013, 9:56AM
                                                        • It seems to me that most on this site wnat Rudd and the ALP out, but have given very little thought to what they are voting in.
                                                          They decry Labor's deficits and debt yet Abbott is spending more and has now backed away from getting surplus earlier.

                                                          Given his policies largely amount to take form the poor and give to the rich how long will it be before the swinging voter turn's on his govt, should he be elected?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Macca75
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:47AM
                                                          • Just goes to show how gullible voters can be. Phoney Abbot is pretty good at being Dr No and Mr Negative but very short on real policy. Sadly, this great country of ours is going to take a big step backward with Abbott as PM.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Qman
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:01AM
                                                          • Macca, I think the incoming LNP government will last a very long time, sorry to say for you.

                                                            When the ALP wakes up and includes people who have worked in private enterprises in it's ranks, instead of an endless stream of ex-Union officials and ALP party faceless men, it may be relevant and deserve to govern again.

                                                            Given the difficulty of weaning the unions away from their power source, that is likely to be a very long time, if it ever happens.

                                                            Maybe a new Social Democratic LP is in order?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Alternate View
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:23AM
                                                          • AV - When the lobs lost in 2007 the pundits predicted at least a decade in opposition - things can change pretty quick. and when your policies are as terrible as Abbott's and actively work against what he has been preaching - reducing debt, think swinging voter will turn pretty quick.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Macca75
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:32AM
                                                          • Qman, in RGR's May10 budget, PM Rudd promised a cumulative deficit covering the 4 yearard estimates period, from 2010/11 to 2013/14, of $48 Billion.

                                                            Instead, we have so far recorded, in that same period, cumulative deficits of $140 Billion (with the 2012/13 final outcome, still unchanged at $19 Billion, from its May13 estaimate, and how likely is that?).

                                                            We should all be carefuly of what we wish for, but back in 2010, we were promised a Labor government that has since delivered, in 4 short years, an extra $92 Billion in accumulated deficits.

                                                            Now, if that's not poor economics, or fiscal discpline, i don't know what is.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Grant
                                                            Location
                                                            Mitcham
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:50AM
                                                          • Of course in 2007, there were a few different circumstances.

                                                            Firstly, Rudd claimed himself to be a "fiscal conservative" which turned out to be an outright falsehood.

                                                            Secondly, no-one then knew what they know now about KRudd and the ALP's general incompetence.

                                                            The difference now is that the LNP has not only several people in their ranks that have already served under the successful previous LNP government, but they have a much better situation with LNP governments in power in the States.

                                                            Even with 100% ALP governments in power federally and in the States when he was elected, Kevin Rudd was not able to stop the "blame game" as he promised, due to the cumulative incompetence of all of those respective ALP Governments.

                                                            No, the ALP will need big time regeneration before it is ready to govern again, if ever

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Alternate View
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:54AM
                                                          • Grant how would the economy have benefiteed from running surpluses in those years?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Macca75
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:01AM
                                                          • AV - HOw is Rudd's fiscal conservative claim any different to abbott preaching about debt yet predicting defcits for his first term and spending billions while cutting taxes?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Macca75
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:06AM
                                                        • When considering the absence of climate change policies by both Rudd and Abbott also consider the Great Barrier Reef and that our scientists state CO2 increases are altering sea chemistry and adversely affecting the life cycles of many marine organisms, in particular at the lower end of the food chain.

                                                          Coral cover has shrunk by half since 1985, inshore reefs have declined 34 per cent in the last eight years, and crown-of-thorns starfish outbreaks are becoming more common. Coral disease and stress are linked to water temperature increase. Populations of dugongs, turtles, black teatfish, and sharks have significantly declined.

                                                          The GBR economic benefits include $5 billion in cash and 63,000 permanent jobs in tourism and research. Nevertheless, Rudd and Abbott demonstrate recklessness by risking coral labyrinths and marine life and their economic benefits? Since it isn’t possible to claim the GBR while increasing coal production that is destroying it? Yet they continue with massive annual increases in Co2 emissions by increasing coal production?

                                                          Why? “Tony and the people who put him in his job do not want to do anything about climate change. They do not believe in human caused global warming… If you consider Tony’s mentor, Senator Minchin, the world is not warming, its cooling and the climate change issue is part of a vast left wing conspiracy to deindustrialise the world” (Malcolm Turnbull).

                                                          Obama declared last month little “patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real. We don’t have time for a meeting of the flat earth society.”

                                                          Rudd and Abbott’s stupidity must be stopped. It’s your climate, your reef, and your vote? And you know the earth is not flat?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:45AM
                                                          • Seriously Pen, your posts are getting very boring.

                                                            Climate Change is real.

                                                            Nothing Australia does (or can do) has any effect whatsoever.

                                                            The 2 most relevant facts.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Alternate View
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:30AM
                                                          • The stupidities of replies to my two posts beg belief.

                                                            Earthquakes? Volcanoes? All existed before human habitation and they still occurs today in addition to humanity's production of CO2.

                                                            To claim that we cannot do anything on our own is actually the reverse of what is happening, we are the only advanced country doing next to nothing and causing the most atmospheric pollution on a per capita basis.

                                                            If you guys cannot write anything other than Bolt type lunacy, then I suggest that you read up on the subject instead of relying on utter nonsense.

                                                            Perhaps you have the capacity to refute the scientific facts that I state? No? Oh, what a surprise?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                          • pen...what caused the Earth to start warming 12000 years ago? You cannot tell me that humans caused it to warm after a long period of glaciation back then? Some scientists believe that was caused by megathrust earthquakes and super hotspots activity. Yes we are adding more CO2 now, which we can lower if we have policies to lessen CO2 emissions. We can lower emission pen....but we can't stop the global warming trend of 12000 years caused by plate tectonics now. Some scientists forecast the Yellowstone/Cascadia super hotspot to explode soon and that will push us back to another ice age.....better start adapting pen. ps...this is not fantasy.....educate yourself.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:27AM
                                                          • actually, I was wrong there in my last post.....an explosion of the Yellowstone hotspot (the last one was 640,000 years ago and overdue) pen....would spew a gigantic amount of CO2 into the atmosphere that all the ice in the poles and Antarctica would melt in time and we would have land levels of nearly 640000 years ago...ie not much land above sea level. Mt St Helens eruption was a blimp on the edge of this hotspot. This could happen literally happen tomorrow......to think that humans can drastically reduce their level of CO2 emissions when every single earthquake and associated volcanic eruption spews enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere from the mantle.....is ultimate narcissistic lunacy on behalf of humans ...but we are like that.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 12:42PM
                                                        • "But he abandoned a promise to get the budget back into the black ahead of Labor's four year timeline and he did not detail the Coalition's policy costings." This proves Abbott's 'budget emergency' scare campaign and also proves how he has got most of you completely fooled. That must be embarrassing for you.......

                                                          Commenter
                                                          JT
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:32AM
                                                          • "Stop the boats" .... is back again.

                                                            He meester wanna buy a boat .... cheeeep !

                                                            Commenter
                                                            J. Fraser
                                                            Location
                                                            Queensland
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:47AM
                                                          • Abbott's new timeline to surplus is "a decade". That is 2023.

                                                            So why has he been demonising the surplus for months and years?

                                                            I guarantee it won't be as low as 12-13% of GDP either with his big ticket plans, including buying back the boats!!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 4:30PM
                                                        • Rudd and Abbot claim to stick to Co2 reduction of “5% below year 2000 levels by 2020”: 5% of 330.24 million tonnes of emissions = 16.51 million tonne reduction.

                                                          Is it a reduction? By 2012-13 coal production alone was 407.2 million with an expectation of 611 million tonnes producing 1.747 billion tonnes of emissions by 2020. Deduct 16.51 million from 1.747 billion = 1.73 billion tonnes of Co2 hence, a 1048% increase not a reduction?

                                                          Why? Overseas press have discovered that anonymous billionaires and industrialists are funding climate denial networks to the tune of $120 million. In Australia A. Bolt is Rinehart’s media commentator protégé?

                                                          Meanwhile the climate update from the Bureau of Metrology reveals:
                                                          “The last 10 months have been abnormally warm across Australia setting many heat records with a lack of unusually cold weather in most parts of the country. The more significant records for this period include:

                                                          • Australia's hottest day on record;

                                                          • Australia's hottest week on record;

                                                          • Australia's hottest month on record;
                                                          • Australia's hottest summer on record; and

                                                          • Australia's hottest September to June (10 months) on record;

                                                          The last 10 months saw persistent unusually warm temperatures with every month since September 2012 showing temperatures 0.5 °C or more above normal. Resulting a national mean temperature anomaly of +1.03 °C.

                                                          This record heat has affected rural, regional and urban Australia, with many stations setting records including capital cities: Hobart (41.8 °C), Sydney (45.8 °C) both recording their hottest days on record. The last 10 months have seen above-normal temperatures over 97 per cent of Australia.”

                                                          When thinking about who to vote for understand that Rudd and Abbott’s true intentions on climate policy are not to have one.

                                                          Given this incredible stupidity, should we endorse it and vote for no climate change policy?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:26AM
                                                          • Humans lived through the last ice age pen....they adapted, wore animal skins, made fires.....I guess we will have to adapt again.....wear loin cloths, live near the ocean for a sea breeze...we'll adapt again....a policy is not going to change the fact that the earth has been warming (and will continue to do so) for the laast 15,000 years and we will have to adapt to keep living here.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:41AM
                                                          • I am bored by your idiocies J.T.. It is not feasible that today's world population will be able to survive the worst of climate change and stay intact.

                                                            The recklessness of people like you threatens your own children and grandchildren. Sea breezes do not supply food. Our descendants were nomadic hunter gathers we are not, our lives depend on crops billions of tonnes of them each year. It is time you grew up J.T.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:03AM
                                                          • Aha, one of the climate change deniers probably influenced by the cashed up climate change denier networks! I think the deniers have lost traction in Australia because of the respect that Australians have for the CSIRO.

                                                            They don't like conspiracies either and did not like the Howard government prohibiting CSIRO scientists from making their climate change research known.

                                                            The CSIRO is a well respected contributer to climate change science. Everyone should read their results and predictions, as I think Pen has.

                                                            Did you know there are disaster plans in place to assist theopulation in the advent of a heat wave?

                                                            We will find that all of our babies, toddlers and aged will be ferried to our big shopping centre malls. There will be ads about heatstroke and how to avoid it. We will be instructed to check on the elderly in our streets and apartment blocks.

                                                            The plans are there.

                                                            If we don't address climate change we will have to use the plans.

                                                            I don't trust Abbott's direct action plans to do anything, especially in the short term. Remind me how long it takes a tree to grow before it can be considered a real carbon sink!!!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:04AM
                                                          • pen....please don't talk about 'idiosies' and 'grow up' statements without critically evaluating your own comments on this page. One does not need to point out that much with respect to some of your comments. Having said that.....in 2000 years time I forecast life on this planet (whatever and whoever is here) will be adapted to the climate of the day......life has adapted to the climate on this planet over billions of years and will continue to do so and it may be very different to what we have today. The Earth is warming...adapt or die.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:15AM
                                                          • Pen,

                                                            The stupid thing to do would be to implement a policy that puts a price on carbon and negatively affects our global competitiveness and has no effect on the climate whatsoever - who the hell would be stupid enough to support something like that.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jimc
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:23AM
                                                          • another thought pen ....just wondering if you have a policy on this one........the Earth has been warming since the last ice age.....the Earth has had numerous periods of warm ages and ice ages over 3 billion years. This latest warming has been for 12000 years or so and sea levels have risen by 120m since then. Some blame climate changes on megathrust earthquakes and super volcanoes. The Earths last megathrust earthquake was in 2011 off Sumatra. Scientists believe the Earth shifted orbit and climate changes will occur. What policy could you come up with to counter megathrust earthquakes and their consequences?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:24AM
                                                          • A megatax on megathrust earthquakes?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Lewis
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:38AM
                                                          • good one Lewis...LOL

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:51AM
                                                          • Pen

                                                            Climate change will take a back seat until the law of diminishing returns reaches its peak in respect to population (estimated in 50 years or so).

                                                            I also think that it is important to continue the agenda of education around population, climate and pollution; however, extreme views will simply remain that - extreme views.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            $keptic
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:56AM
                                                          • Jimc - because our trading partners have a price on Carbon and we need a flat playing field!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:00AM
                                                          • JT we are trying to address man made global warming.

                                                            The changes you describe are outside our ability to compensate. Neither will they affect our grandchildren and great grandchildren. Man induced global warming will.

                                                            We are now talking about the next 500 years of man's life on earth. We are not looking a million years hence.

                                                            Maybe by then man will have abandoned the earth and be living among the stars.

                                                            But this will not be the case in 100 years and we owe it to our descendants to try to correct the harm we have done since the Industrial Revolution.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                          • TiredOfSpin

                                                            Thank you. It is when my posts are overwhelmed by comments of inanity that common-sense and truth requires moral support. I appreciate yours.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:17AM
                                                          • Sorry guys...the last megathrust earthquake which shifted the earth's axis and hence orbit happened only 2 years ago...this will have an effect on our climate from then....yes 2 years ago. No policy by any political party on Earth will change the fact that the Earth has been warming and will continue to do so and that extreme weather patterns will continue regardless of whether or not we add this much CO2 or this much CO2. We can make ourselves feel better by adding less, but to me, the real challenge for humans now is to develop ways to adapt to changing rainfall and temperature conditions. eg better use of water and land, recycling of all water including sewerage, desalination plants, removal of water wasting crops like cotton, building more environmental housing and buildings to withstand floods cyclones earthquakes etc.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 11:38AM
                                                          • Today scientists released some research that is concerning. There is a little known feedback mechanism using sulphur dioxide produced in the sea which prevents absorption and penetration of radiation ( heat) in and through the stratosphere.

                                                            The production of SO2 is slowed by the acidification of the seas by absorption of CO2. So more CO2, less SO2, more direct warming.

                                                            Plus, important to Qlders, acidification makes secretion of Calcium and silica by sea animals such as coral polyps and shell fish. Whole populations of these will die. Our reefs will die and our shellfish food harvest will decrease.

                                                            So those who don't want to abate CO2 have to accept they are condemning two of the best commercial incomes that Qld has- tourism of the Great Barrier Reef, and our commercial fishing industry especially scallops.

                                                            We are already seeing coral bleaching due to acidification. Snorkelling over expanses of white coral devoid of other sea animals is not the best prospect for future tourists.

                                                            We HAVE to lower greenhouse gas levels.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 4:12PM
                                                        • After Abbott's campaign Launch can anyone tell me when the Libs will return the budget to surplus?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Macca75
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:20AM
                                                          • four years or more...same as Labor....just proves the 'budget emergency' scare campaign......Abbott must go to sleep laughing every night...."ha ha ha got em all fooled again"!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:36AM
                                                          • With all this carping about the Coalition's alleged "budget black hole", people have obviously forgotten how Rudd and his clowns have a budget deficit that has increased in less than 3 months from $19 billion to over $30 billion, and that Commonwealth total debt is approaching $300 billion (all figures from PEFO). Why isn't anyone asking how Rudd and Bowen intend to repay this? Or is that question not being asked because people know Rudd's going to lose?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:41AM
                                                          • After they find some stuff to sell off

                                                            Commenter
                                                            tasch2
                                                            Location
                                                            Mornington Peninsula
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:43AM
                                                          • Abbott said a decade. That means 2013!

                                                            He was pretty quick about saying it and it was coupled to a "trust me".

                                                            Abbott is being very irresponsible with his promises and ever deepening black hole.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:07AM
                                                        • While the latest Newspoll has the ALP vote up 1% with the LNP vote steady, possibly the reaction to the ALP negative ad campaign reinforcing dithering ALP voters, the 53:47 2PP still means the ALP will lose and lose big.

                                                          I guess it doesn't really matter to KRudd however as he remains on track to not be in politics on Sept 8 anyway.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Alternate View
                                                          Date and time
                                                          August 26, 2013, 9:15AM
                                                          • I've changed my view lately....I hope now, that Labor can sit out the next 3 years, regroup and come back strong for govt in 2016-2019. It will also give you LNP voters a chance to choke on your words and hopes and realise that the word 'incompetence' is purely relative......coz you ain't seen 'incompetence' yet!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:26AM
                                                          • Then What AV - How will Abbott pay for his spending, when will the budget return to surplus?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Macca75
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:31AM
                                                          • These nationally & demographically averaged polls do not tell the true story. It's has always been marginal seat by marginal seat & they are pointing to an incoming Abbott government with an 18 to 20 seat majority.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Lewis
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:32AM
                                                          • JT
                                                            With Labor's internal dysfunction should take at least 2 terms to sort themselves out. Too many problems with factions, union power, lost supporter base, leadership regurgitations, laxness with taxpayers money, poor administration - trashed their brand. Perhaps a near death experience will help them recover from the Joke they have become.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            yys
                                                            Location
                                                            Labor: I Started a Joke
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:43AM
                                                          • @AA

                                                            Take some of the polls home and feed your children.

                                                            See if they ask for more.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            J. Fraser
                                                            Location
                                                            Queensland
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:46AM
                                                          • the best joke of all yys, will start on Sept 8....people will be laughed out in 3 years....watch this space

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:48AM
                                                          • @ JT: Incompetence is a party who couldn't get their budget figures reasonably correct, who had to increase the budget deficit another $11 billion within 3 months. Incompetence is a PM who wound back a successful policy and caused massive cost blow-outs and indirectly contributed to deaths at sea, but refuses to take responsibility. Incompetence is a PM who thought a national security briefing was just another photo op with him in the middle of the picture. Incompetence is a party who knifed two Prime Ministers within 3 years, for pretty much doing what the other did. Incomptence is a party whose current leader says on the one hand that he honours his predecssor's legacy, yet states categorically that she did not have a mandate for the carbon tax - somthing that party has blindly and repeatedly stated.

                                                            Tha name of that party? The ALP. The name of that current leader [for not much longer]? Kevin "It's All About Me" Rudd .

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:51AM
                                                          • @ J Fraser - speaking of polls - how's your prediction looking for a 10-seat ALP majority? As about reliable as the May 2013 budget deficit figures...

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:58AM
                                                          • Hey Tim......if that's all you have to define the word 'incompetence' then I'm sorry but you ain't got much........after the next 3 years you will have much much much more in quality and quantity to add to the definition of 'incompetence'. After the next 3 years of Abbott, we will need another ALP govt to get us out of the problems that LNP govts bestow on poor Australia. Incompetence will have real meaning then.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            JT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 9:58AM
                                                          • Tim not from Altona), you show your ignorance of economics. You want it to be black and white, but it is not.

                                                            However one black and white fact is that Australia's income (GDP) dropped in the period you mention, due to the surprise softening of trade with China. That means Australia was paid less.ie the GDP was lower.

                                                            So if Australia was paid less, then the difference has to be found in borrowings, OR the $2b difference has to be found in cuts.

                                                            Making cuts causes job loss.

                                                            So the most responsible thing to do is increase borrowings and that is what Labor did, to a net government deficit of 12-13% of GDP which is very low.

                                                            Goodness knows how Abbott will fare with NO income from the Carbon and Mining Taxes.

                                                            Probably that is why Abbott said at the Liberal launch that it would take "a decade" to get back to a surplus that was 2% of GDP.

                                                            In their forward estimates, Labor have projected it will be 4 years.

                                                            Your continuing criticism of Labor is really not justified.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                          • @ JT - no unfortunately, that's not all. I've got plenty more examples of ALP-Rudd-Gillard incompetence (like Gillard's "East Timor solution" that East Timor didn't even know about), but there's apparently a 300 word limit on comments. Just as well, otherwise I'd be sounding like Kevvy...

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:41AM
                                                          • Tim ( not from Altona).

                                                            I suggest you look back in history at the Liberals performance from1966 -1972.
                                                            In 6 years they had 4 Prime Ministers. Holt drowned while in office, so actually 3.

                                                            Certainly beats Labor's 2 Leaders in the past 6 years!!

                                                            I certainly lived through this period and I remember the politics as being very acrimonious.

                                                            I would suggest that you don't throw stones if you yourself live in a glass house, too!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            TiredOfSpin
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 10:58AM
                                                          • Wow, we really have had to go back a long way, haven't we TiredofSpin?

                                                            And how about the NSW state government's recent ALP history? They were changing leaders like underpants.

                                                            The NSW disease has of course, now fully infected the federal ALP.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Alternate View
                                                            Date and time
                                                            August 26, 2013, 1:21PM
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