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Federal Politics Live: September 13, 2013

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  • Enough of these tired and inspiring men. Abbott, Albo, 'vote for me or I'll knife you' Shorten; they are no option for our future. None of these men would make me sign up for their party, none would make me follow them. Albo looks decent, but he cannot win in this country.
    Please ALP choose Tanya P, she can deliver as what Rudd was meant to be - fresh energy, intelligent and with a higher sense of humanity and decency for us all.

    Commenter
    Mali
    Date and time
    September 13, 2013, 4:47PM
    • Bill Shorten, the man who publicly backed the utterances of Julia Gillard without actually knowing what she said. Then he decided to throw his support behind Rudd. Just what we need, a leader of the Opposition without any opinion or moral compass....

      Commenter
      TG
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      September 13, 2013, 4:34PM
      • I know you guys are in a hurry to get the latest news up, but your link to this article on your front page reads
        "Labor leadership contenders Bill Shorten and Anthony Albanese address the media on why their running for the job"

        Their?

        Commenter
        Methuen
        Location
        Brunswick
        Date and time
        September 13, 2013, 4:31PM
        • Good on you Methuen - I was just about to write the same. Shocking - and from a senior journo too!

          Commenter
          Stickler
          Date and time
          September 13, 2013, 4:36PM
      • @ Dags,

        Indonesia has every right to act as the sovereign nation that it is, but so does Australia. It just seems that Indonesia's concept of cooperation is that Australia act accordingly to their wishes, with very rare reciprocation.

        @ Steve,

        I take your points, and I do agree. I want to see true cooperation and trade between Australia and Indonesia. That means give and take on both sides, not just one side giving all the time, and the other side taking.

        It also means that one country must occasionally take a moment to acknowledge that an issue that may not be in any way significant for them, is significant for the other. And yes, that goes for Australia, too.

        Commenter
        blu
        Location
        Geelong
        Date and time
        September 13, 2013, 4:24PM
        • It's pretty clear, from recent comments by Indonesian officials, that they don't have much respect, nor time for Abbott. They referred to his various hair-brained comments and schemes such as 'buy the boats', 'buy information' etc as 'Crazy'. They're also referring to him as 'Abbott' instead of 'Mr'. And we're only 6 days into an Abbott government....Way to go Tony.

          Commenter
          Hair-brained
          Date and time
          September 13, 2013, 4:33PM
      • Albo would make a great leader if he could get away from the undergraduate class warrior style that he usually produces. Mostly he looks and sounds like an angry bull ant.
        My best wishes to all those who are going to spend the next three years going on about Rupert winning the election.

        Commenter
        Jackflash
        Date and time
        September 13, 2013, 4:22PM
        • Looks like Tony's hit the ground sleeping. Seems all those emergencies and big ideas can wait a while. Perhaps the country wasn't in the parlous state Tony said, some several thousand times over the past four years.

          Commenter
          meatatarian
          Date and time
          September 13, 2013, 4:11PM
          • The treasury are still adding up the debt,only about a week to go.

            Commenter
            justone
            Location
            oz
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:26PM
          • Treasury? Really? I thought Hockey or Bishop would have given them the pink slip by now.

            Commenter
            meatatarian
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:30PM
          • Get used to some respectable adult calm from the PMs office - there is not now a PM behaving like a chook with his head chopped off - taking moronic selfies

            Commenter
            gc
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:31PM
          • Or maybe Prime Minister-elect Abbott is not the self-serving media tart like Rudd and Gillard.

            Commenter
            Nulla
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:35PM
          • Yeh, those selfies really stopped progress in this country?! What we need is more of that welfare for the rich policy that you find calm soothing and sensible.

            Commenter
            meatatarian
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:42PM
        • Tony Abbott: We must, we must, we must, we must........ The Australian people expect it of us but don't worry. After we are sworn in we will produce a Labor "big black hole" and as usual we won't do anything. Well maybe cut the Public Service and increase Defence spending. The punters always go for that.

          Commenter
          Watcher465
          Date and time
          September 13, 2013, 4:05PM
          • Think this one over: “We must stop the carbon tax…because that is what the Australian people have elected us to do” (Tony Abbott).

            Tony Abbott driven by Rupert Murdoch is shedding the carbon tax/ETS, why? Shale oil.

            Murdoch has invested millions in Genie Oil and Gas (subsidiary of Genie Energy NYSE: GNE - Pioneering affordable technologies to produce oil from kerogen-based oil shales and other unconventional fuel resources.

            Abbott’s Direct Action Policy includes paying to any company an agreed amount if the company can show it has reduced carbon production. So if a shale oil company agrees to reduce the norm carbon footprint of producing oil from shale for say $5 per barrel then Abbott’s policy pays that company $5 per barrel.

            At the moment shale oil will derive from six basins in Australia stretching from coastal Queensland to Western Australia's far northwest contain recoverable shale resources of as much as 17.5 billion barrels of oil and 437 trillion cubic feet of gas -- all of which was previously inaccessible because it is contained in shale formations.

            Murdoch’s Genie companies technology may make that oil accessible: 17.5 billion X $5 per barrel? Now do you understand why Abbott’s policy is centred on dumping the carbon tax at any cost? Labor’s carbon tax/ETS makese shale oil recovery unprofitable. So regarding Labor what did dear Rupert splash all over the front pages of his newspaper:

            “Kick this mob out”?

            He followed up via twitter:

            “Why not switch from useless renewable investments to real job creating infrastructure projects. Many great possibilities waiting?”

            Are Liberal voters feeling like right Charlies now? God only knows they should be.

            Commenter
            Pen of hrba
            Date and time
            September 13, 2013, 4:03PM
              • Everyone wants to drive cars, as often as possible, even the seafarering desperadoes coming here on leaky boats are lured by the dream of being an inner-urban taxi-driver. With that kind of market demand, resistance is hopeless. An apocalyptic scenario is virtually guaranteed, in something like 50 years. By that time no-one will remember who Rudd and Abbott even were, maybe Lachlan Murdoch will still be hanging on, to a few big waterfront places.

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:23PM
            • I think the public were hoping for some peace and quiet for a while after the election. But no the whinging has all started up again.

              Labor lost the election right? Is no use blaming everybody but themselves. So get on with it.

              Bill Shorten has chosen to hold a press conference to announce he is running for the leaders position (does this remind you of anyone?) He wouldn't have done it hoping to put some pressure on Anthony Albanese not to run would he? Albanese did the right thing and kept quiet until the appropriate time - at the caucus meeting. That's the difference between them. Don' trust Shorten. Although I wouldn't have thought being a leader with both Shorten and Rudd breathing down your neck would be much fun.

              Commenter
              molly
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:59PM
              • Albanese would be a miracle worker if he could survive Shorten's undermining, but let's face it, no-one could survive Shorten's undermining, it's just not humanly or physically possible.

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:07PM
              • The public do not deserve peace and quite they voted against the most vital policy on the political agenda: climate change. They did so in full knowledge that the climate could one day destroy our way of life and this process has already started. Can you think of anything more incredibly credulous?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:36PM
            • Here we go again , more labor bickering & disunity , I wonder if another 7 oppositiobn front benches will again resign because they won't work with A or B... they are a joke .. but the taxpayers are the but of it..thank god they are in opposition..

              Commenter
              Strewth
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:58PM
              • What Labor bickering? Nobody is doing anything. I think you're just making things up.

                Commenter
                Tom
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:07PM
            • Nothing will change in the ALP if Shorten becomes their leader. He's a proven backstabber and like Rudd, is all about himself. If Albanese becomes the leader, I'll consider switching back - provided he gets some results and pulls everyone back into line.

              Commenter
              Beamers74
              Location
              Brunswick
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:54PM
              • They are all back-stabbers, if there is a reward for them in the end.

                Commenter
                J.G.
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:17PM
            • "Labor is drawing a line under the rancour of previous years," Mr Shorten says.

              God.

              The conceit. The irony.

              Commenter
              Louis Cypher
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:49PM
              • The Delusion goes on -

                Commenter
                gc
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:41PM
            • In the days of the Empire the victors installed their puppet as the leader of the vanquished. I am surprised the Quadralition has not yet asserted their Imperial right to appoint a new chief to the defeated tribesmen...

              Commenter
              David D
              Location
              Ettalong Beach
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:45PM
              • I might regret giving them ideas - what if they foisted Cory Bernardi or Sophie on us?

                Commenter
                David D
                Location
                Ettalong Beach
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:52PM
            • I'm sorry, Mr Shorten,ur union bosses call the shots you will never reach out to tradespeople who are in the main small business owners & operators.

              Oh, and Bill, the people had a great big say in politics last Saturday.

              Commenter
              Lewis
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:42PM
              • "Union bosses, knives in the back, factions, faceless men". Liberals with no imagination.

                Commenter
                JB
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:47PM
              • About as much imagination as the people who ran the ALP's last election campaign. How'd that go again?

                Commenter
                Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:03PM
            • I am so utterly weary of hearing about stabbing in the back. Is this the new Liberal Party policy? Bore your opponents to death.

              Commenter
              JB
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:41PM
              • Liberal party policy
                1. Stop the boats
                2. End carbon tax
                ALP policy
                1. Stab each other in the back
                2. Get the leadership

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:48PM
              • Liberal Party Policy
                1) Slogans for bogans
                2) Get elected

                Commenter
                Tom
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:05PM
              • I agree the ALP was not up against much, so they are doubly disappointing.

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:28PM
              • I must admit, in decades of following politics, I've never encountered an Opposition that literally didn't propose one, single proper policy during their time in Opposition, nor the election campaign. It's been nothing but one-liners, slogans and soundbites. Talk about a light-weight party! I mean, I know that Labor shot itself in the foot on a consistent basis and that the Coalition really didn't need to provide anything more....however, that's a good excuse for them. I don't think they have anything to give - particularly Abbott. As Keating observed a few years ago, words to the effect that Abbott has no policy ambitions whatsoever....is an intellectual lightweight...only in it for the sake of power.

                I look forward to Tony and Co revealing their grand visions for Australia's future. I can just see it now, heads together, 'S&*t, wadda we do next?"

                Commenter
                Time
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:44PM
            • “We must stop the carbon tax…because that is what the Australian people have elected us to do” (Tony Abbott).

              It is worth reflecting on the fact that there has been an orchestrated effort to ostracize the Greens. The Coalition placed the Greens last on their how to vote card. Two years ago the Murdoch owned Australian newspaper claimed the Greens “Should be destroyed at the ballot box.” In addition to claiming the Greens “Far left clowns” the Murdoch owned Telegraph claimed recently, “The Greens represent a view that is hostile to the nation's interests and to both major parties. A bipartisan solution is needed to fix a bipartisan problem.” Last year Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal claimed, “Climate-science equivalent of dentists practising cardiology.

              In part climate scientists rebuked the Journal’s claim: “Research shows that more than 97% of scientists actively publishing in the field agree that climate change is real and human caused. It would be an act of recklessness for any political leader to disregard the weight of evidence and ignore the enormous risks that climate change clearly poses.”

              Nevertheless it is abundantly clear that both Abbott and Murdoch are fighting for the same cause: destruction of the Greens as a political force. Indeed the Australian backed Bob Katter to win in Queensland; this is what Katter has to say about environmentalists: “The environmentalist movement … has turned into a cancer and has to be cut out.”

              Meanwhile the environment goes from one catastrophic episode to another on a daily basis, from rising and warming seas, ice and glacier melt, insect migration causing devastation, severe draught, species extinction, reef destruction, pest infestations, ever increasing Co2 levels, increasing methane levels, land degradation and crop losses; all of which come at a potential cost of trillions of dollars?

              Commenter
              Pen of hrba
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:37PM
              • The Greens along with "Save the Children" type organisations are anti-environment because of their overpopulation ideology. The Chinese government with its one-child policy is more pro environment than all other developing countries. The Greens should stop encouraging sovereign nations to overpopulate themselves and confine themselves to Green issues within Australia. They don't need a foreign policy, they can just get behind the government. The Greens have shot themselves in the head and senator Hanson Young is the bullet.

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:46PM
              • bg

                Did we have breakfast before reading the Green's policy on population?

                Here it is

                "The current level of population, population growth and the way we consume are outstripping environmental capacity. Australia must contribute to achieving a globally sustainable population and encourage and support other nations to do the same.

                Our environmental impact and ecological footprint is not determined by population numbers alone, but by a range of factors including per capita consumption patterns and levels, distribution of resources, agricultural practices for domestic consumption and export, levels and types of industrial activity, urban design and transport options.

                Australia's population policy should be determined by its commitment to:

                ecological sustainability;
                global and domestic social justice and equity, including women's rights;
                intergenerational equity;
                multiculturalism;
                international human rights obligations; and
                decent wages and conditions for all workers.

                The continuing rapid increase in the human population has the potential to adversely affect national or international outcomes in environmental sustainability, human health and welfare, and other areas. Current rates of resource use are not sustainable and are compounded by inequitable distribution of wealth and power."

                You can go back to sleep now?

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:13PM
              • No, the Greens can walk both sides of the street you see. In practice they promote overpopulation in other places, they hold up a grail to such places and tell them, have ten kids, if one of them can make it here, you have hit the jackpot. I suggest you are the one who is mumbling in their sleep.

                Commenter
                bg
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 4:27PM
            • Mr Shorten says:
              "We will not seek to publicly disparage each other and our efforts."
              - Better get rid of Emerson and Conroy then and you can all go back to stabbing each other's backs in private.

              Commenter
              bg
              Date and time
              September 13, 2013, 3:33PM
              • I also love Bill Shorten swearing blind that the ALP's core policy is an ETS when not only did Julia Gillard go to the 2010 election vowing not to impose a carbon Tax (and then doing just that) and then having KRudd claiming to have "abolished the Carbon Tax" prior to the last election in a vain attempt to again trick the Australian public, when of course he took no action whatsoever to do so.

                So, if the ALP does decide to try and block the repeal of the Carbon tax, they are in fact again going against what they said prior to the election, regardless of how Mr Shorten tries to spin it.

                The really silly thing is that they don't understand just how much damage their "feel good" stance has not only damaged their party but also of course their blue collar core constituency.

                Commenter
                Alternate View
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:26PM
                • It was Liberal core policy in 2007 and they knifed a leader who actually thought his party should act in accordance with the policy they took to the election. It is incredibly precious to start talking about what happened in 2010.

                  Commenter
                  JB
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:37PM
                • You'll have to get over blaming Labor soon - they're not in power anymore.

                  Commenter
                  Jennifer
                  Location
                  Carlton
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:55PM
              • Where are all the women in Cabinet? This just reinforces all the concerns raised about Mr Abbott - there are a few hard working women who deserve a position such as the Deputy Whip Nola Marino. She is one of the few women to go to Afghanistan to visit the troops, is on numerous committees. and has consistently improved her majority in her electorate of Forrest. Why is she not on the list to be considered?

                Commenter
                Ptolemy
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:20PM
                • What list to be considered? Whose list is that? Oh, you mean the speculation from the media? For a minute there I thought Abbott had put out a list.

                  Commenter
                  Lewis
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:29PM
                • Lewis. Your side did incredibly well out of press speculation. You can't complain now.

                  Commenter
                  JB
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:49PM
              • Kevin Rudd has e-mailed his comments to caucus to the press??!? Uh oh... that doesn't bode well for the future.

                Commenter
                Lewis
                Location
                Sydney
                Date and time
                September 13, 2013, 3:19PM
                • Love watching all the nasty people out there who can not write anything of substance.

                  Labor was thrown out by the people. Get Over It!

                  Commenter
                  4Ken
                  Location
                  Auburn
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:17PM
                  • Your comment very accurately describes the tenor of this blog for the last two or so years which I have been reading it for.

                    Commenter
                    tasch2
                    Location
                    Mornington Peninsula
                    Date and time
                    September 13, 2013, 3:26PM
                  • I felt exactly the same way in 2007 and 2010 when the libs got all bitter and twisted and remained so till 5 days ago.

                    Commenter
                    meatatarian
                    Date and time
                    September 13, 2013, 3:31PM
                  • Labor lost an election. Almost half of the voters preferred Labor over the Coalition. To say they were 'thrown out by the people' is the same sort of garbage that we have been hearing for three years from Abbott and his supporters. Haven't we had enough of the nonsense?

                    Commenter
                    JB
                    Date and time
                    September 13, 2013, 3:34PM
                  • A 4% swing is all that is required to change government it seems. The Liberals better not get too comfortable.

                    Commenter
                    Jennifer
                    Location
                    Carlton
                    Date and time
                    September 13, 2013, 3:59PM
                • It was pretty funny to see Stephen Conroy, a well known faction leader, trying to talk Albo out of forcing a vote by the rank and file the other day.

                  Well after 8 weeks of more ALP talking about itself, it will arrive at a leader which will, in most likelihood, not satisfy the factional warlords view of the world and will ultimately lead to more division and white anting.

                  And in the background, ticking, is the KRudd time bomb...

                  Commenter
                  Alternate View
                  Date and time
                  September 13, 2013, 3:17PM
                  • So here we have the ever marketing Tony Abbott telling us that he has our trust.

                    Mate, we voted Labor out, and as a consequence we have to put up with your nonsense.

                    Give it a break. You'll gain our trust when you start doing good stuff for our country.

                    Commenter
                    Jane
                    Location
                    Seymour
                    Date and time
                    September 13, 2013, 3:10PM
                    • Shorten v Albo.

                      A choice between "I'll have what she's having" and "my job is to fight Tories, or was that tyres?".

                      Commenter
                      Hacka
                      Location
                      Canberra
                      Date and time
                      September 13, 2013, 3:05PM
                      • As a Liberal Lover, your comment is as irrelevant as ever.

                        Commenter
                        Tom
                        Location
                        Canberra
                        Date and time
                        September 13, 2013, 3:17PM
                      • Thanks Tom. Driving past The Lodge at lunchtime, it's kinda nice to know there's a respectable PM back in there.

                        Commenter
                        Hacka
                        Location
                        Canberra
                        Date and time
                        September 13, 2013, 3:20PM
                      • Pity his comment is SO apt, Tom.

                        Commenter
                        Alternate View
                        Date and time
                        September 13, 2013, 3:21PM
                      • Alternative View, are you sure you're not Hacka?

                        Commenter
                        Jennifer
                        Location
                        Carlton
                        Date and time
                        September 13, 2013, 4:10PM
                    • Ah we all return to the Pulse and lo and behold, nothing has changed, other than of course, the Government.

                      The ALP/Green rusted ons are still carrying on about how great their parties, policies and people are, even though they have both respectively taken a drubbing of monumental proportions in the election.

                      And of course, everything is still about LABOR. Poor deluded souls, they continue to shuffle those deck chairs, with the front half of Clive's Titanic now already underwater.

                      A good government wrecked by division? Gimme as break!

                      Commenter
                      Alternate View
                      Date and time
                      September 13, 2013, 3:05PM
                        • It’s a pity that the gullible Liberal supporters of Australia didn’t demonstrate the acumen and common sense displayed by the good folk of Indi. In less than a week of the Abbott government we have had Peta Credlin patted on the wrist and dismissed without penalty on drink driving charges after handing the magistrate a plea from the attorney generasl? We had the Brack’s affair, followed by Minchin after Brack’s job. Thereafter climate change sceptic Dennis Jenson requested the science portfolio? Basically a denier of the science of climate change wants to be in charge of science? Abbott telling the opposition not to block his repeal of the carbon tax because he has a mandate to scrap it. Therefore to hell with the mandate of the senate, his mandate has precedence?

                          When will Liberal voters wake up to the fact that Abbott took them for ride by dumping the most important issue (climate change) in favour of fossil fuels to the detriment of a safer environment? Their gross stupidity in allowing Abbott to scrap our only defence of a threatening climate is beyond belief. They should have smelled a rat when Murdoch orchestrated his anti-climate change propaganda all those millions invested in shale oil is of no coincidence? It’s no coincidence that Abbott and Murdoch are bedfellows on climate change and both worked towards the total destruction of the Greens.

                          Neither is it a coincidence that Murdoch collects ex leaders of countries and installs them on News Corp’s board such as an ex-Prime Minister of Spain and an ex-president of Columbia so don’t be surprised to see Abbott on the board of News Corp in the fullness of time. Even the Indonesians think Abbott’s boat people policy is ridiculous and no doubt another scam.

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:17PM
                        • Yep, irrelevant Liberal hacks giving more of the same negative comments as always. Nothing to add to the conversation because their own party does nothing.

                          Commenter
                          Tom
                          Location
                          Canberra
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:19PM
                        • Oh LOL. Welcome back Pen. I see you can't even respond to my post in under a 100 words! Well done.

                          Commenter
                          Alternate View
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:19PM
                        • Pen.. have looked up the Methane cycle yet? I think you need to find out what the real Greenhouse gas is and how lowering CO2 is now too late. The frozen Tundra anit so frozen now.

                          Commenter
                          Brettie
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:22PM
                      • When will labor just shut up,shorten/albo its Abbotts fault all our policys were great its Abbotts fault on and on ,sick to death of them already. If this is their great strategy ,just think another 3 years of this.............. Brow beating us into submission ,hey guys this is not a union rally,the lowest vote in a 100 years 20 seats lost ,as always underestimating the IQ of the majority. What will happen when the polls go down to 20% .

                        Commenter
                        justone
                        Location
                        oz
                        Date and time
                        September 13, 2013, 3:04PM
                        • 2.57 pm - Tony Abbott as a revivalist preacher healing the sick? Wazza the adoring acolyte?

                          Commenter
                          David D
                          Location
                          Ettalong Beach
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:02PM
                          • Speaking of revivalist preachers healing the sick - I noticed that Saint Kevvy couldn't help but say something. I wonder if anyone in that party room have fully accepted that he's part of the reason the ALP people are sick [at heart]...

                            Commenter
                            Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            September 13, 2013, 4:01PM
                        • What's this, real change.
                          Abbott is wearing a grey tie.
                          Gloomy times ahead.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          September 13, 2013, 3:00PM
                          • Anybody want to contribute for the sympathy card and going away pressie for Sophie? Anybody? Hello.. come on, surely she has SOME friends..

                            Commenter
                            David D
                            Location
                            Ettalong Beach
                            Date and time
                            September 13, 2013, 2:58PM
                            • not gone yet ,still 15000 votes to go so no premature hand clapping .

                              Commenter
                              justone
                              Location
                              oz
                              Date and time
                              September 13, 2013, 3:14PM
                            • Justone - how could you! Accusing me of cheering! These are GENUINE crocodile tears!

                              Commenter
                              David D
                              Location
                              Ettalong Beach
                              Date and time
                              September 13, 2013, 3:32PM
                          • Andrew Leigh, 2.44pm

                            This reads like a truncated version of the Rudd concession\ "victory" speech.

                            Confirms my suspicion that alternate universes truly exist

                            Commenter
                            Louis Cypher
                            Date and time
                            September 13, 2013, 2:53PM
                            • Louie, Rudd's victory speech was genuine. He couldn't stop grinning at the completion of his revenge.

                              Commenter
                              Lewis
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              September 13, 2013, 2:59PM
                          • I give it about 18 months before there's talk of Kev having another "stab" at it.

                            Commenter
                            Puzzled
                            Date and time
                            September 13, 2013, 2:43PM
                            • i reckon you are giving it 12 months too long!

                              Commenter
                              kevin 457
                              Location
                              perth
                              Date and time
                              September 13, 2013, 2:57PM
                          • Great simile Albo, ALP has vinyl floors, asbestos in the ceiling and fibro on the walls. Time to smarten up! Cleanup the current membership starting with Rudd who disgraced your party...

                            Commenter
                            Halfback
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            September 13, 2013, 2:42PM
                            • I agree, the real deal Labor leader wont be chosen for another 12 months. These guys would just be stand ins. Caretakers, until the real chosen one steps forward.

                              The dust needs to settle on the Labor Party fallout and then we need to see how the dynamics of the Labor Party evolves and then see over time, who steps forward and up as leader.

                              Choosing the real deal leader now is just a haphazard exercise of filling the void out of desperation.

                              Commenter
                              JB
                              Date and time
                              September 13, 2013, 2:37PM
                              • Shorten is damaged goods and will never lead Labor to an election. He did a political hatchet job on two leaders and now he has to deal with self inflicted wounds from the fallout. The electorate will never forget what he's been up to.

                                Albo is a lovely guy who means well, however just doesn't have the refinement to become a PM. Neither of these two will ever become PM, so Labor needs to think deeply beyond the short caretaker period where one of these stool pigeons will take over for a limited period, whilst they find a new leader.

                                The real deal Labor leader would ideally be installed in about a year out from now, probably late 2014 or early 2015, allowing 12 months to see really who has the credentials to step up as leader and allowing 12 extra months run in and leadership familiarisation, for the lead up to the next electoral campaigning period in late 2015 early 2016.

                                These guys are just stand in comedians until then. Standing jokers, awaiting the real punch line to be exclaimed by the new Labor King or Queen be whatever the case.

                                They will need a good punch line though. Abbot sadly did it with Stop The Boats. Labor will need a punch line of similar resonance come next election. Liberals Work Choices did it in reverse for them. Self inflicted terminology gone wrong.

                                Labor need to score a good 1,2,3 punch line that strikes an accord with the swinging voters and broader electorate for the next election cycle.

                                Commenter
                                Bondy
                                Date and time
                                September 13, 2013, 2:30PM
                                • I disagree re Albo. Many also said that Tony Abbott did not have the "refinement" to be PM yet there he is. Prime Minister of Australia.

                                  Abo would make a good PM. He says what he means & does not run from a fight. He stands for traditional Labor values & is not distracted by political fads.

                                  Commenter
                                  Lewis
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 2:40PM
                                • Yes Lewis

                                  But what has he actually achieved?

                                  Not planned, plotted or procrastinated.

                                  Achieved

                                  Commenter
                                  Louis Cypher
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 2:56PM
                                • Louis, he was the key to getting Gillard's legislation through the house. He was the one who mainly held the support from the crossbenchers together. Sure, not sexy headline stuff but critical from the government's house leader. A brilliant herder of cats if you like, which would be a critical skill for any leader.

                                  Commenter
                                  Lewis
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 3:17PM
                              • Congratulations Mr Albanese and Mr Shorten. A genuine contest between two outstanding and worthy candidates; Anthony A, always out there and prepared to take on all comers and,Bill S, perhaps a little more cerebral, but just as effective in communicating with the media and electorate. Caucus MUST pledge TOTAL LOYALTY to the victor. It's going to be a very tough call, may the better man of the best be victorious.

                                Commenter
                                Maurie
                                Location
                                St Kilda
                                Date and time
                                September 13, 2013, 2:29PM
                                • Good luck with that one.

                                  Commenter
                                  Alternate View
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 3:09PM
                              • 2.09 portraits, reminds me that Julia Gillard is yet to attend the unveiling of her bronze bust as PM in the Ballarat Gardens for all Australian PMs.
                                Worth a look for all if in Ballarat. Quite impressive.
                                Perhaps there could be a double unveiling with Rudd, don't think he's been there yet either, not sure.

                                Commenter
                                A country gal
                                Date and time
                                September 13, 2013, 2:26PM
                                • Penny Wong is another capable politician - intelligent and articulate. I would back her any day for Leader.

                                  Commenter
                                  LynneZ
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 2:18PM
                                  • Go on then, walk the talk - lets see Labor vote for Wong and Pilberseck.

                                    If not, then Labor and its Luvvies will be proven hypocrits, whining and moping about Julia and the awful treatment, but instead choosing two white males (with faceless men behind them).

                                    Well?

                                    Well?

                                    Commenter
                                    Let's see it then Labor
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:24PM
                                  • She would have to be in the House of Reps to lead the party.

                                    Commenter
                                    Herself
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:30PM
                                  • Yes she's done well, presiding over all those highly accurate budgets in the last 6 years.

                                    Commenter
                                    Alternate View
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:49PM
                                  • Not to mention the self effacing loyalty she displayed to Gillard during the final knifing

                                    Commenter
                                    Louis Cypher
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 3:23PM
                                • Well both Albanese and Shorten have had major roles in uniting their party for something like six years. Great qualifications for Leadership!

                                  Commenter
                                  Halfback
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  September 13, 2013, 2:18PM
                                  • Surely it's gotta be Albo?

                                    Shorten is the more charismatic, but Albo is a brilliant performer in parliament.

                                    Albo is a unifier whereas Shorten still has the whiff of an executioner about him.

                                    The ALP has to reward and recognise the greatest fighter for Labor values.

                                    Tanya Plibersek should be Deputy Leader.

                                    This can be a great time for getting policy settings and party unity back on track.

                                    And all MPs need to understand that if they break ranks and go to the media (Kevin...hello...) they will be dis-endorsed and can take their chances as an Independent.

                                    Commenter
                                    Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:16PM
                                    • I disagree that Shorten's more charistmatic. He's very dull. Albo has much more charisma - it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

                                      Commenter
                                      Herself
                                      Date and time
                                      September 13, 2013, 2:31PM
                                  • Can we get a second Rudd portrait after Gillard?

                                    Commenter
                                    Ash
                                    Location
                                    Melbourne
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:16PM
                                    • For the wall of shame?

                                      Has to be mega billions of deficit dripping off those walls alone.

                                      What sad chapters of our history each one of those was.

                                      Commenter
                                      Let's see it then Labor
                                      Date and time
                                      September 13, 2013, 2:27PM
                                  • ALBO! ALBO! ALBO!

                                    says it all for the Party Members who want to choose their LEADER.

                                    Commenter
                                    geraldine
                                    Location
                                    queensland
                                    Date and time
                                    September 13, 2013, 2:07PM
                                    • May as well move the government to Sydney if Albanese gets the job I prefer Shorten and Plibersek as a team.As it is the backstabbing Bowen is leader now and he is also from Sydney.

                                      BTW they ALL have blood on their hands and Albanese was Rudd supporter helping to undermine the Gillard Govt for 3 years which has been the main reason the LNPs now in office by default as a very big majority of voters didnt want to have to vote for Abbott ever but had little choice considering the pathetic state of the ALP.

                                      Commenter
                                      Proud Victorian
                                      Location
                                      Sandringham
                                      Date and time
                                      September 13, 2013, 2:01PM
                                      • Another Liberal who is obsessed with the backstabbing meme. If the Liberals are screaming about the new process and who is on offer, they know they are already in trouble.

                                        Commenter
                                        JB
                                        Date and time
                                        September 13, 2013, 2:25PM
                                    • The ineluctable truth seems to me to be that of the two contenders Bill Shorten is the more electable, the more personable and the easier to listen to. Neither Phoebe Dinsmore nor Professor Henry Higgins will have cause to plug their ears against Bill’s voice the way they had to during the incumbency of one particular recent prime minister.

                                      Anyway, the pronunciation of Bill’s usual given name is not the subject of a dispute that’s mainly between Australasia and the USA on one side and the rest of the world on the other. My ears will never tire of hearing his name being mentioned umpteen times by Australia’s fourth estate. Whereas . . .

                                      Commenter
                                      Leigh Oats
                                      Date and time
                                      September 13, 2013, 2:01PM
                                      • Are you talking about Anthony?
                                        Actually the dispute is between the UK and the rest of the world. For some reason poms pronounce it Antony ... I've never heard anybody else do that.

                                        Commenter
                                        Herself
                                        Date and time
                                        September 13, 2013, 2:32PM
                                    • Trust you had a well deserved rest Stephanie. And now the circus continues.
                                      interesting times ahead as we witness what Abbott really has in store for us and Labor picks up the pieces and enters the new phase of being in opposition.
                                      Rudds legacy will be his recent reforms to the party leadership, but that's about all.

                                      Commenter
                                      A country gal
                                      Date and time
                                      September 13, 2013, 2:00PM
                                      • Perhaps the Labor Party should have alternating leaders and run a 6 month election campaign. Oh hang on....that was their strategy for the last 6 years and it didn't work.....New rules, nothing changes (except for Albo's comb over)

                                        Commenter
                                        Soloman
                                        Location
                                        High on the Hill
                                        Date and time
                                        September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
                                        • I have to feel sorry for the Quadralition; cant target Bowen - only interim leader - can*t target Shorten or Albanese - don*t know who will get the nod; watch out for wildly fired shots, desperate dodgy dancing, and possible foot injuries.

                                          Commenter
                                          David D
                                          Location
                                          Ettalong Beach
                                          Date and time
                                          September 13, 2013, 1:56PM
                                          • When you are in govt (and a competent Liberal one at that) you dont need to target the opposition leader, you get on with running the country. No wonder LABOR is so hopeless in govt!

                                            Commenter
                                            multi
                                            Location
                                            narrabeen
                                            Date and time
                                            September 13, 2013, 3:10PM
                                          • A competent Liberal government? Is there such a thing? I look around at all the State governments and it worries me.

                                            I think we'll be the judge of whether the government is competent or not. Please don't insult our intelligence by making that assessment for us. That's Rupert's job.

                                            Commenter
                                            Jennifer
                                            Location
                                            Carlton
                                            Date and time
                                            September 13, 2013, 4:15PM
                                          • Jennifer - no ; Rupert has decided that tey are adults and can do self assessments of their abilities.look forward to 3 years of F.I.G.J.A.M. from the Quadralition.

                                            Commenter
                                            David D
                                            Location
                                            Ettalong Beach
                                            Date and time
                                            September 13, 2013, 4:27PM
                                        • "1:52pm: Mr Bowen has just finished his press conference.

                                          Expect to hear from Mrs Shorten and Albanese shortly."

                                          Gold!

                                          I look forward to hearing from Mrs Shorten, though I.m sure he's been called worse!

                                          Commenter
                                          Peter
                                          Location
                                          Kew
                                          Date and time
                                          September 13, 2013, 1:56PM
                                          • "1:52pm: Mr Bowen has just finished his press conference.

                                            Expect to hear from Mrs Shorten and Albanese shortly."

                                            Gold!

                                            Commenter
                                            Peter
                                            Location
                                            Kew
                                            Date and time
                                            September 13, 2013, 1:55PM
                                            • No, Chris Bowen, Kevin Rudd is NOT "welcome to stay the member for Griffith for as long as he chooses". KRudd doesn't get to choose - the constituents of Griffith have that honour.

                                              Commenter
                                              rooboy
                                              Location
                                              Dulwich
                                              Date and time
                                              September 13, 2013, 1:53PM
                                              • Bowen will do his best to hold the govt to account... Awesome! ..Tony set the record rubbishing question time and I reckon labor can do one better. labor must do what it can to show liberals that if you play with fire you can get burnt

                                                Commenter
                                                harry
                                                Location
                                                melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                September 13, 2013, 1:41PM
                                                • And here I thought that Labor was all about a new positive way... The memo clearly did not reach the rusted on.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Art
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:46PM
                                                • ahahahahah....Labor can do that???....hahahahahh.
                                                  Maybe you should get little ruddy back with his set of knives.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  HG
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:47PM
                                                • @art clearly the misguided who believe they are born to rule have a set of rules for themselves

                                                  Commenter
                                                  harry
                                                  Location
                                                  melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 2:04PM
                                                • @harry: I think that if you look back through hansard over the last couple of years, Labor takes the prize money when it comes to personal attacks and insults. Now that we look set to get another former Union leader as Labor leader, I expect the brawling nature of those people to result in the level of discourse being dragged down even further.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Art
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 2:25PM
                                              • Funny how, even when their team is in government, Liberal supporters still bitch and whinge about Labor.

                                                News Flash: You won the election. Your dopey mess of a leader used fear and lies after years of whinging to get through. How about you start contributing rather than armchair complaining from the sidelines?

                                                Letting members vote for the leader is a fantastic way to actually form some element of primary politics and allow discussion across both merit and peoples choice.

                                                Commenter
                                                James P
                                                Location
                                                Brisbane
                                                Date and time
                                                September 13, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                • Funny how Labor supporters always bitch about Liberal supporters.
                                                  So what's you point??

                                                  Commenter
                                                  HG
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:48PM
                                                • Thaks for the news flash. Unfortunately, it appears that you ALP supporters have learnt nothing from that news, as the invective still continues against the Coalition (as you yourself have shown - "dopey mess" and "fear and lies").

                                                  My favourite piece of hyperbole was from A Country Gal - she described the incoming government as a "most divisive and repressive regime". Clearly she hasn't no idea about what a repressive regime really looks like.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                  Location
                                                  Melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:53PM
                                                • Well said! The Libs seem more fascinated with the internal machinations of Labor than on running the country.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  pjmarter
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
                                                • This is what we call 'projection'.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Ash
                                                  Location
                                                  Melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 2:09PM
                                                • They s bitching and whinging because they'e already afraid. They know that Tony only won because of Rudd/Gillard's infighting - and that the voters hated Abbott almost as much. They're bitching because SHorten's a massive threat to them and they have to start campaiging for the next election already.
                                                  Hey you've still got Joe! Dont SWEAT it!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Realist
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 2:20PM
                                              • Oh dear, I had hoped that this Federal Politics Live rubbish would be abandoned after the election. Yet another reason I have cancelled my subscription to Fairfax. And the writer has a soft sport for Bronwyn Bishop !! Says it all.

                                                Commenter
                                                oztraveller
                                                Date and time
                                                September 13, 2013, 1:37PM
                                                  • Oztraveller - gotta tell you mate; as a political tragic this beats Fox Sports Live hands down; More Biff, More Bloodletting, Wild Grand Final every three years - Gold! Gold! Gold!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    David D
                                                    Location
                                                    Ettalong Beach
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:42PM
                                                  • @ Bart - the remarkable fact that the ALP and its supporters ignore is that prior to 2010, the majority of State governments (and virtually all the governments on the East Coast) were ALP governments. That is when the most if not all of "gold plating" occurred - not under Coalition governments. However, as is usual for the ALP, it is convenient to blame Coaltion governments because they are fixing the messes left by the ALP.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                    Location
                                                    Melbourne
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:34PM
                                                  • It was fair"shake" of the saucebottle - not "suck". And that was just the first innacurate thing you posted - I dont have enough characters remaining to refute them all - so I'll undermine your rant with one number: 3.3%.
                                                    Sorry - thats all the swing you got. It can be re-gained in your sleep. Certainly in 1 term. Abbott almost did it in 2010. Do you even know your own party history?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Mr Inaccurate
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                  • @hacka lets make a bet that tony doesnt test the parliament with the repeal of carbon pricing. He will spin more of the same ole lies until the new senate is in - budget emergency? The muppet can only be on a short leash for so long and the hawks will be circling in the meantime

                                                    Commenter
                                                    harry
                                                    Location
                                                    melbourne
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                • Great. Now we have a negotiated Coalition government of FOUR minor partieswho cannot govern in their own right (Lib, Nat, LNP, Country Liberals). I thought that after the last parliament this was considered evil. Welcome to the Quadralition!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  David D
                                                  Location
                                                  Ettalong Beach
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                  • Hey, don't remind them of that.
                                                    Yet in Abbotts victory speech not a coalition member to be seen or heard, just the daughters in symbolic white and Maggie.
                                                    And of course the gate crasher with his lolly wrapper band.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    A country gal
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                • There seems to have been a crucial bit of news that hasn't been reported here. The part where Rudd stood up in the party meeting & officially resigned as leader. We are left to presume that must have happened.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Herself
                                                  Date and time
                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                  • Always fascinated by the Tory obsession with Labour Party, Is it because their side of politics is so boring and predictable (and in the end, all the decisions are made by the big money that controls their party).

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Harvey
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:27PM
                                                    • I'm always fascinated by the obession of the ALP and its supporters with the word "Tory" to describe the Coalition. As I've said previously to other ill-informed posters, there are no Tories in Australia. They are in Britain and Canada.

                                                      Maybe the ALP has an underlying desire to be "boring and predictable" as opposed to being vindictive, vengeful and totally unpredictable (like their defeated former leader).

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                    • There's also no Labour party in Australia. It's Labor.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Herself
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                  • The Pulse @ 1:16pm

                                                    A glaring lack of women in the cabinet? Kelly O'Dyer come on down.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Lewis
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:23PM
                                                    • Kelly O'Dwyer....given the safe seat of Higgins by Costello as a present for good service. The only thing we've heard from her is that the PM should have to be born in Australia (when JG was PM), not realising Tony was unfortunately born a Pom.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      L
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                    • Higgins is my electorate =)

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Sarah of Carnegie
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:34PM
                                                    • @ L (wonder what that stands for?) K O'Dyer won that seat in a by-election in 2009. Hello? We just had an election last Saturday.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
                                                    • Sarah, my utmost and humble commiserations to you.
                                                      Always look on the bright side of life, things can only get better.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      A country gal
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:03PM
                                                    • Elections are like football games - the scoreboard starts at 0-0

                                                      Commenter
                                                      pauly
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:22PM
                                                  • Labor could pick a 3 legged dog and still beat this incompetent LIEbral government.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Archer
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                    • Archer

                                                      Not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, are you.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Louis Cypher
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:23PM
                                                    • Did they only have a two-legged dog last time then?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:25PM
                                                    • Like they did last Saturday?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      BBA
                                                      Location
                                                      Banks
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:29PM
                                                    • Louis, could you get someone to decrypt your comment?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tony's Pants On Fire
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:29PM
                                                    • Better to die on your feet than live on your alba-kneesee!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      marky
                                                      Location
                                                      beach
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:42PM
                                                  • Indonesian buys 1m ha for cattle? You must be joking!
                                                    If we had a spare million ha of useful land for raising cattle (which we don't), don't you think someone would have realised by now?
                                                    The simple fact that his very large nation has a very small amount (relatively) of worthwhile, arable land. Not one more square metre should be sold to any foreign nationals or corporate interests.
                                                    Finally, since Indonesia is extremely unlikely to have the cash to pay for such a purchase, you can bet we'd be leant on to give it away as "foreign aid".

                                                    Commenter
                                                    JohnH
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:10PM
                                                    • The Australian reporting "Tony Burke has urged abbott to keep rudd govt border protection policy and try nothing new as it will highly offend indonesia.. i guess being offended only works 1 way"

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Boats
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:20PM
                                                    • Just because we send aid to Indonesia, it does not mean that they are a poor nation.
                                                      On the contrary Indonesia is quite a wealthy nation and they do have the cash to spend.
                                                      The many many billions of dollars they spend in the purchase of military equipment is proof of that.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      HG
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:28PM
                                                  • The aggressive Liberal commentary continues.

                                                    Why would anyone think Liberal opinions are worth anything, anything at all, in this discussion over the Labor leadership?

                                                    After all, it's not about them. It's about the leadership of the party they hate.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Jennifer
                                                    Location
                                                    Carlton
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:06PM
                                                    • It is all about furthering the misinformation and distracting from the impending disaster of the Abbott Government.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JB
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                    • Hey! You can't comment about the comments of people that support the party you hate. And no comments about running the country... because thats not even about you.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Cwitty
                                                      Location
                                                      Under new management + Open 4 Bus
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:28PM
                                                    • Cwitty, have you jumped the shark? Comment what you like if the moderators are in a good mood. The real question is whether it is worth a brass razoo. And comments by Coalition minions about Labor leadership are worth nothing because they are all based on spite with the objective of damaging Labor.

                                                      Like the erstwhile Leader of the Opposition - if you want to oppose for your own political ends that is fine - but don't insult the people who can think for themselves by dressing up your actions in specious claims of good faith.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JB
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:37PM
                                                    • JB

                                                      So with your logic, only you can post

                                                      Commenter
                                                      $keptic
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:12PM
                                                  • I agree, Shorten is mostly about himself and has been disingenuous with a lot of his commentary in the media. He's been positioning himself all along as the next ALP leader.... even when Gillard was still in.

                                                    Still, Albo' as leader? no thanks. zero personality with the people.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    TGIF
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:06PM
                                                    • I would like a potential leader of the country to be able to pronounce 'nuclear', 'infrastructure' and most of all "Australia' and unfortunately poor old Albo cannot pronounce any of these words.

                                                      Shorten - bless me! Anothe unionist getting fat in his Parliamentary retirement home. No.

                                                      Actually it doesn't matter. Labor are going to be a fantastic opposition for 9 years or so.....

                                                      Commenter
                                                      BBA
                                                      Location
                                                      Banks
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                    • TGIF, and which branch of the Liberal Party do you belong to?

                                                      Why aren't you guys celebrating Tony getting the big prize as a reward for 3 years of dummy spitting, lying to the Australian public (budget emergency anyone) talking down this country and otherwise being obstructionist solely to further his political interests.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JB
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                    • At least he fronts up to Q&A. How often has your leader got the guts to do that?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Jennifer
                                                      Location
                                                      Carlton
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                    • Jennifer - obviously he didn't need t and who's to say Q&A is the be all!!. Maybe he doesn't need to see himself splashed across the media 24/7. Just a thought...

                                                      Commenter
                                                      BBA
                                                      Location
                                                      Banks
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:47PM
                                                    • BBA, Abbott is rarely put under any scrutiny. Now that he is our leader, he needs to be scrutinised. Q&A is the toughest environment for any politician, either left or right. Abbott just can't handle answering the tough questions. He's a wimp.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tom
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 4:03PM
                                                    • Errr, theoretically it is possible for any party to win the next election. If it wasn't theoretically possible, then we'd be living under a dictatorship. Shortbread is not incorrect in saying what he said.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      meatatarian
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:04PM
                                                  • 12.52pm Fiona Scott? how did she beat the refugee traffic jam to get there on time?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    David D
                                                    Location
                                                    Ettalong Beach
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:00PM
                                                    • Didn't you hear? Tony has stopped the boats!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Rich
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:14PM
                                                    • Hahaha, yes, precisely David. As Paul Keating said a couple of years ago in relation to the mob we now have in charge - 'God help us. God help us."

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Jilly
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:15PM
                                                    • That's easy - the current crop of refugees are all heading to western Sydney, not away from it. So she's working against the traffic, not caught up in it. The same will apply when the long column of fired public servants starts wending it's way out of Canberra for parts unknown.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Mike F
                                                      Location
                                                      Cheltenham, NSW
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                    • She took the new boat free express lane.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tom
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 2:03PM
                                                  • "The process of determining the new leader will take about a month."

                                                    Well done on that reform KRudd. I can see how a month of leadership tension shows a much more united and modern Labor Party...

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Josh
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                    • Or a month of civil debate about policy and direction of the Labor party involving its grass roots membership. What is wrong with that?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JB
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:21PM
                                                    • @JB: Because that works so well to show unity in the American primaries system doesn't it? Not to mention the fact that the ALP now has a temporary leader that no one wants (clearly, because he hasn't nominated for leader) for the first month of the new government being in power. Dumb.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Josh
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:51PM
                                                    • I for one am pleased to see them refusing to pander to the obsession with the 24 hr news cycle.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Herself
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:59PM
                                                  • Labor really is run by a bunch of snapperheads, my god!!

                                                    Bill Shortbrain comes straight out and says "Labor can win the next election"... Yes Bill and Peppa Pig could also become an Olympian, anything is possible. But what do you base your theory on Bill ??

                                                    As his predecessor states all the time "fair suck of the sauce bottle mate" . Worry about getting the crux of your party right and putting things with substance on the bloody table before you talk garbage about winning an election 4 days after you just lost one.

                                                    What hope does Labor have. They just dont get anything right, and seemingly never will.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    pricey
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                    • Errr, theoretically it is possible for any party to win the next election. If it wasn't theoretically possible, then we'd be living under a dictatorship. Shortbread is not incorrect in saying what he said.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      meatatarian
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:04PM
                                                    • Elections are like football games - the scoreboard starts at 0-0

                                                      Commenter
                                                      pauly
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:22PM
                                                    • It was fair"shake" of the saucebottle - not "suck". And that was just the first innacurate thing you posted - I dont have enough characters remaining to refute them all - so I'll undermine your rant with one number: 3.3%.
                                                      Sorry - thats all the swing you got. It can be re-gained in your sleep. Certainly in 1 term. Abbott almost did it in 2010. Do you even know your own party history?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Mr Inaccurate
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                  • Rudd looks on as a new leader is elected and thinks...hmmm now where did I put that knife? Oh yes...hold still Julia, Let me just remove that pain in your back you have been complaining about...ahh there it is...oh Albo? Say hello to my little friend!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Knifed
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:54PM
                                                    • I think most of Australia is sick to death of this knife nonsense. Give it a rest please - or could the moderator please bury the manufactured phrase?

                                                      Instead of going on about knife, knife, knife the policies of the incoming Government need to be scrutinised.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JB
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:01PM
                                                    • Betting markets have opened up on the likliehood of Rudd one day returning to the ALP leadership.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim of Altona
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:11PM
                                                    • oh my, what a ruddy mess we have.
                                                      Must have shaken that bottle a bit too much.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      HG
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:35PM
                                                    • @ JB - And Australia is probably more sick of continually hearing the lame references to "Rupert", "RM", "Murdoch", etc. How about your people stop using that excuse for losing the election, and then we'll stop reminding you of "knifing" as one of the real reasons you lost the election.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 3:21PM
                                                  • Oh here we go---"On with the show ,this is it"Wasnt that the one that Killed Michael?This is it"?Maybe the legacy will linger over Labors lamentable demise.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Kane
                                                    Date and time
                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:54PM
                                                    • I don't think I'm the only citizen in Australia who thinks that anyone representing a major party should be the best the party can offer. Shorten isn't! There are many reasons for my thinking/saying this and perhaps people are tired of hearing other people being booted out, but don't we ALL know the facts since 2010.
                                                      How can a man begin to make reparation to this country for his errors. His errors have cost much in other peoples lives and why because HE was an opportunist and a cunning calculator.

                                                      Previously, having recruited at high executive levels, character was once important, qualifications in a particular discipline basic, then came experience,
                                                      talent, and enthusiasm or passion. Underpinning all these were the leadership abilities to bring people along.
                                                      If Labor chooses Shorten, then it further sullies and stains the future of a party many good people still believe in.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      taylor of Sydney
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:53PM
                                                      • "it further sullies and stains the future of a party many good people still believe in."

                                                        Are you one of those people? Or did you put your faith in the most dishonourable Opposition leader of my lifetime, Tony Abbott?

                                                        Abbott might be a nice guy one on one when someone is being nice to him, but he cannot cope with the hard decisions and he cannot deal well with being beaten. He is not suited to being Prime Minister of this country and when he is faced with an unexpected and unwelcome event he is going to have real trouble coping. If you want proof, just look at what happened when a newsman asked him about his comment on the death of a soldier in Afghanistan. Yes, it was an unfair and arguably offensive question. But our political leaders need to have the presence of mind to cope with such questions, not to move their mouths noiselessly stuck for a response, whether verbal or physical.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JB
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 1:28PM
                                                    • @art....dont think it matters that shortens mum in law is the GG. If abbott goes to her to ask for a DD she just does it same as if it was rudd asking. If she resists because of her relationship to shorten (dont even know if she can) then she will look foolish....I think the real issue is if tony abbott will be prepared to take that chance. If he miscalculated his "mandate" to scrap the "carbon tax" his majority in the lower house could be reduced and the senate balance swing further towards labor/greens in another ballot if the public doesnt want the emission scheme scrapped....He wont do it. He'll be crapping himself that the public voted him in because they were sick of rudd not labors policies

                                                      Commenter
                                                      shannas31
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:42PM
                                                      • Exactly. Except that if Abbott did go to her she would actually pass the decision on to the Administrator (the most senior State Governor) ably advised by her constitutional advisers. This would avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Otherwise, the relationship is irrelevant.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JB
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                    • Indonesia gets more money for a refugee than a cow.

                                                      They really want to buy 1 million acres of Australia they can use the land to bread refugees and save on shipping costs!

                                                      Stop the boats or we will stop the aid. Very simple.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      4Ken
                                                      Location
                                                      Auburn
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:36PM
                                                      • @4Ken, can you at least learn how to spell? It's "breed", not "bread". Stop showing everyone what a stupid lot you rusted-ons are.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        The Other Guy
                                                        Location
                                                        Geelong
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 1:09PM
                                                      • You should stop now. You humanist side is showing. Indonesia has less than 25% of the land mass that Australia has and over 200+ml people. Refugees don't come from Indonesia they come from Iraq, Iran, Sri Lanka. They are coming with the intention of settling in Australia. So Indonesia is just the last port before their intended destination. In a sense - it's not Indonesia's problem.
                                                        BTW Abbott is already intending to cut into the foreign aid budget.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        AndyWoodman
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                    • one more: Albanese....
                                                      but wait there are more..............Hello---Kevin-- are you coming yet ?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Bruno
                                                      Date and time
                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:35PM
                                                      • Can the Labor caucus vote today to change the new rules that Rudd devised or does that need to be approved by the national executive?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Nulla
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:32PM
                                                        • Go ask a Liberal minion. They are usually the great experts on the Labor Party.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          JB
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:51PM
                                                        • Well no one in the ALP knows whats going on. They still think they won the election. They don't know how to elect a new leader.

                                                          So yes maybe I should ask the competent and stable Liberals.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Nulla
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                        • Nulla, the Liberals had four leaders in two years between 2007 and 2009. Hardly stable!

                                                          The Liberals were united because relentless dishonesty and negativity by the opposition took its toll on the Government. I don't think they will stay united once they have to deal with all the problems thrown up to them in Government. Especially with the deep policy divisions that were papered over by the prospect of victory. Policy divisions like those between the economic liberals such as Cormann and conservatives like Abbott and social conservatives like Abbott and social liberals like Turnbull. The fun has just begun.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          JB
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                      • Two candidates, one position, been there , done that. the loser must resign.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Long Memory
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:26PM
                                                        • But Turnbull is still there.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          JB
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:41PM
                                                        • In that case, why are Turnbull and Hockey still around? Didn't Abbott have an unsuccessful tilt, prior to successful one?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          meatatarian
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:43PM
                                                      • Picture at 12:22PM, drab, boring clothing, what is it with these people, were Paul Keating and Andrew Peacock the last well dressed politicians? (apart from some of the women).

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Norm
                                                        Location
                                                        Maroubra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:25PM
                                                        • "Kate Lundy just wandered into the Coalition party room ..."
                                                          Hmmm. Old habits dying hard? Didn't check the election result? Thinking of switching sides?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Peter
                                                          Location
                                                          Kew
                                                          Date and time
                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:21PM
                                                          • Totally agree with Tony Abbott.
                                                            I also hope the new four party coalition members savor the moment briefly...very briefly

                                                            Commenter
                                                            David D
                                                            Location
                                                            Ettalong Beach
                                                            Date and time
                                                            September 13, 2013, 12:21PM
                                                            • Quite frankly, every Labor and Green lower house rep would be a far better PM than any LNP member, especially Abbott.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              meatatarian
                                                              Date and time
                                                              September 13, 2013, 12:19PM
                                                                • That'll get em going Meat.
                                                                  I agree. It's going to be the most divisive and repressive regime in my opinion.
                                                                  I wish it was a bad dream, but it's not.
                                                                  Least Mirabella looks out of the picture.
                                                                  Abbott will be lucky to see his term out.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:28PM
                                                                • Would you like some sour cream with those grapes?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Lewis
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:45PM
                                                                • And you have evidence to back this up? Congrats for taking the delusional ALP backers to a new level.....

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  MTK
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Port Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:47PM
                                                                • MTK, I think the evidence may be in the same vault that Abbott found evidence for his 'budget emergency'.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  JB
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:52PM
                                                                • MTK, Rupert wanted Abbott in. That's evidence enough to know that he and the Libs are not in the national interest. They are a ball and chain party of empty rhetoric, stupid policies and no forward thinking vision.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  meatatarian
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:54PM
                                                                • And Rupert wanted KRudd in 2007, so what's your point? Game. Set. Match.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  MTK
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Port Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:01PM
                                                                • I'm not even sure there's a single real, actual human being in the LNP cabinet. They're all lizards from the centre of the Earth.

                                                                  Seriously, it's messages like yours that set the Australian people against Labor. You're even more elitist than what you claim the Liberals to be. Try communicating with a modicum of respect and maybe you can get your party back on the road.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Ash
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:08PM
                                                                • How fortunate that the majority of Australians actually observed the last two terms of government and concluded that the end of Labor was in all of our interests. Now, unfortunately, we will have to listen to the endless bleating of the minority as they scurry to rewrite history.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Baz471
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:12PM
                                                                • MTK, no he didn't. Make no mistake that RMs preferred party always is the Libs. You're foolish if you think that the faux support was genuine, and not in the interest of saving face, during a time when Labor were oncourse to victory no matter what RM wanted.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  meatatarian
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                                • Wow, an insightful comment, can't wait for the next instalment.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  terry
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                              • There is precedent for a party leader to be in the senate, John Gorton was in fact Liberal leader, Prime Minister and a Senator awaiting his election into a lower house seat. So to say that Penny Wong cannot be party leader is untrue! She can direct the members of the lower house in what is to be done in the interim until a new leader has been elected!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                the lion
                                                                Location
                                                                Darwin
                                                                Date and time
                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:18PM
                                                                • Labor needs to select people that we do not know for the positions of Leader and Deputy leader if they want to wash away the foul taste of the last two terms of their government.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Baz471
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:14PM
                                                                  • That's right, just because you don't know them they'll be great. It's in the Australian Liars Party genes, to lie, to be wasteful, to spend other peoples' money, to borrow without any thought of repayment. Who-ever they choose, it'll just be more of the same.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    The Other Guy
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Geelong
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:39PM
                                                                  • If we want to wash away the foul taste of the last two terms of Government, we need to get rid of the relentlessly negative and dishonest political leader and his band of cronies who will now occupy the Government benches. Sadly we may have to wait for up to three years before that happens.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    JB
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                                • So if Parliament were to resume week after next Chris Bowen would be acting, temporary, seat warming Opposition spokerperson with no shadow ministry in place. Good look that!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Isays
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Launceston
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  September 13, 2013, 12:06PM
                                                                    • I agree. Yet another of Rudd's 'reforms' shows itself half-baked.

                                                                      Fortunately for Labor, this will have been forgotten by election-time and they will work out something stronger in future.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Simon
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:13PM
                                                                    • I wasn't a great fan of that reform, but I think it may well be worth trying. The problem with the way the political system is reported is that any attempt at innovation that does not succeed is pilloried by a sensationalist press. This should be given a go.

                                                                      A public competition, if conducted civilly may, do a great deal to enable Labor to put its personality-based disputes behind it. Bill Shorten was very gracious in his comments on Albanese's suitability to be the Opposition leader. I expect Albanese would be the same.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      JB
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:48PM
                                                                  • Indonesia Government - its idea of a spirit of cooperation is that we do whatever they tell us. They refuse to endorse any idea that might prevent asylum seekers leaving Indonesia in boats, and they expect Australia to let them buy a million hectares of land?

                                                                    Rent the land to them only, and at a premium price. Australians are concerned enough about foreign ownership.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    blu
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Geelong
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:04PM
                                                                    • blu
                                                                      As opposed to Abbott's brand of co-operation where Indonesia only does what we tell them to do.
                                                                      let's not talk to them at all and have a war instead. That would satisfy everyone wouldn't it.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Steve
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:21PM
                                                                    • The old Crown Lease 99 year system works well for many properties up there. Lethe Indos lease.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      coolabine
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Adelaide
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:31PM
                                                                    • @ Steve,

                                                                      I'm not focusing on any one particular Party. I've studied Australian/Indonesian relations and, with the exception of our support for East Timorese independence, our attitude towards Indonesia has nearly always been about appeasement.

                                                                      Be careful with what you say, careful with what you do, in case they take offence.

                                                                      Yes, trade with Indonesia is important to Australia, but it's more degrees of wrong than I can count that we are always expected to capitulate to them.

                                                                      I want to see leadership which, while acknowledging that Indonesia is an important trade partner, will also stop allowing other nations like Indonesia to insist that we always push our own interests aside in favour of theirs.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      blu
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Geelong
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:39PM
                                                                    • Steve. Good idea.

                                                                      Lets get the napalm out like we did in Vietnam.

                                                                      The cows would die humanly, not to mention Save lots of time cooking the cows they want to bread here!

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      4Ken
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Auburn
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:43PM
                                                                    • Indonesia is a sovereign country. The same people who are expressing colonialist attitudes to them to get them to bend to our will, yet at the same time they are standing on our own sovereignty to oppose the sale of pastoral land to them.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      JB
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                    • @blu, imagine Indonesia acting like an independent, proud country? Would you expect Australia to roll over to Indonesia if the shoe was on the other foot?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Dags
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:52PM
                                                                    • blu
                                                                      I worked in Indonesia for years.
                                                                      Two mistakes Australians make about Indonesia are
                                                                      1) Indonesians don't think too much about Australia because they have bigger problems internally.
                                                                      2) Australians think we are trying to appease them. When we are just trying to get their attention.
                                                                      There are 10 times as many Indonesians as there are Australians. That means problems like boat people are a tenth of the size we think they are and problems like food security are ten times bigger.
                                                                      Why don't we trade food security for border security?
                                                                      It would be better than trying to dictate to them or appease them.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Steve
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 1:12PM
                                                                  • Bill Shorten? Not only is his track record Machiavellian, he is one of the most unappealing people in Australian politics.

                                                                    This is the best the Labor Party can do? God help us! Find some new people, fast! In the meantime how about Tanya Plibersek? Oh yes, she's a woman!

                                                                    The boys (and girls) at the top need 'advisers' who can tell them some basic truths about the real world out here; Shorten is part of the problem, not the solution.

                                                                    Sadly the leadership issue and the rest of the top-dog scrum is just more of the same. Adios Labor. Too bad.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    markie
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                                    • Shorten will make a great opposition leader but Albo will make a great Labor PM so that is the current Labor quandary. Shorten is more in league with Tony Abbott's political style ie they both savour the 'tunnell vision views". The problem with voters is that they have short term memories.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Labor in Quandary
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                                      • Anthony Albanese overdoes the "attack dog" role and if he becomes leader of the Opposition will probably need to be a bit less confrontational, That said he has been very straightforward in the Rudd-Gillard saga which is in marked contrast to many including Shorten (particularly), Wong and Pilbersek and deserves to be elected leader.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Ian
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Fremantle
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:01PM
                                                                        • Huh?

                                                                          a) Plibersek consistently voted for Gillard.

                                                                          b) Loyalty to Rudd is nice, and justifiable to an extent, but how much of that support (particularly post 2010 election) also reflected endorsement of Rudd's (frankly incompetent) leadership style.

                                                                          Appointing Rudd 2.0 isn't going to help Labor in the long run.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Simon
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          September 13, 2013, 12:16PM
                                                                        • Albo is a champ!

                                                                          And Labor needs an attack dog to counter the attack dog that the Liberals have put in charge of the country.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jennifer
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Carlton
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          September 13, 2013, 1:10PM
                                                                      • Please do not provide aid money to a country that has enough money to want to buy our farmland.

                                                                        It would amount to betrayal of the Australian Taxpayer.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        JacSA
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Kangaroo Ground
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:58AM
                                                                        • I thought the plan was to "burn off" Shorten? How is the ALP expected to recover with Shorten in the ranks? Is Albanese knife-proof?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          bg
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                                          • Albo all about "getting the Tories " never mind governing for the people whilst in power . And Shorten's Machiavellian behaviour destroyed the labor party . What a choice .

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Baz
                                                                            Location
                                                                            LA
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
                                                                            • It is so nice to see Australian democracy working so well.

                                                                              The people have removed a bad government

                                                                              The people demand changes to bad policy.

                                                                              The people will now respect the highest office of the land again.

                                                                              All good

                                                                              Isn't is nice to be an Australian?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              4Ken
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Auburn
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:50AM
                                                                              • In three years it will be...see how pointless these idiotic partisan comments are?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Will
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 3:47PM
                                                                            • The LNP of QLD is a strange beast is it not? When their MP's come to Canberra some go to the Nationals party room & others go to the Liberals party room. Then when they go back they continue the pretense that they are really the one united LNP??!?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Lewis
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:50AM
                                                                              • I think the creation of the LNP was to stop the turf wars between the Liberals and Nationals in Queensland. Three way contests between Nats, Libs and Labor were damaging to their chances of electoral success. They all sit together in the Coalition party room plus I think the LNP has its own smaller party room meetings occasionally.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Nulla
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:16PM
                                                                            • Could Indonesia be buying all that land up north to plant a forest? To then chop down and make into boats? That we then buy back? We then become the world's biggest exporter of wooden fishing boats? Then the Indonesians buy them back again ('cos we want to get rid of them), but we then buy them back so they can't use them. Meanwhile, they're making more up north. Repeat. Discuss.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Floong
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                                              • New policy statement from the Liberals. Stop the Boats. Buy the boats. We got money.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Ian of Victor
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
                                                                              • If the boats were made in Australia then they wouldn't sink and people wouldn't die!

                                                                                Good for our economy as it would provide jobs and growth or is it growth and jobs.

                                                                                Your logic is as bad as the logic of Australia giving Indonesia Aid money when they can afford to buy 1 Million acres of Australia and breed cattle.

                                                                                When most Australians can not afford it that have been doing it for generations!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                4Ken
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Auburn
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:57AM
                                                                              • shorten is already bad blood, in fact, he was involved in creating the last 2 waves of disunity, so will be easier for PUP to win against shorten. but albo or kelvin Thompson would g back ALP credibility.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Brian
                                                                                Location
                                                                                CHISHOLM
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:05PM
                                                                              • NO, NO,. NO and NO in that order LOL

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Nicht
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:11PM
                                                                              • Interesting concept Floong.
                                                                                But by the time the trees are big enough we will be flooded with more than a few thousand.
                                                                                We really may have a problem by then as Climate Change refugees hit the high seas in their millions.
                                                                                40M+refugees already and growing and we worry over a few thousand.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                                            • Photo @ 11:42 The new LNP member for Capricornis.

                                                                              Didn't Rudd brag thare was no loss of QLD seats? Is the ALP member for Petrie also in town?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Lewis
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                                              • C'mon elbows.Loyalty should be rewarded not conniving.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                notbothered
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:42AM
                                                                                • Ummm. Labor are no longer in government, and many protests from the Liberals were all about the fact that Liberals shouldn't have to account for anything when they weren't in government.

                                                                                  Can we please have a focus on the Liberal Party and what they are up to? I mean, seriously, are they going to be a do-nothing scorched earth government or are they actually going to do something useful?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Tom
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  September 13, 2013, 11:36AM
                                                                                  • Tom

                                                                                    We are only a few days in and counting still continues in a number of seats. Take a Bex and a good lie down

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    $keptic
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                                                  • Abbott isn't even going to announce his ministry until Sunday. The reporters can't make up news that isn't there.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Simon
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:58AM
                                                                                  • The Liberal and National Parties are in the process of providing stable and competent government. Unfortunately the Labor circus continues (or should it be a slow-motion car crash?)

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Nulla
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                                                  • Tom,
                                                                                    They are not doing nothing, it looks like Tony may recall Parliment mext week to discuss some urgent legislation.
                                                                                    Wouldn't that be embarrassing for the ALP. What no leader for at least 30 days, who will speak for them? Will it be Rudd?, Shorten?, Alanese?, or some other seat warmer before Paul Howes the real chosen one enters the lower house?.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    More ALP problems
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Sussex Street
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 12:11PM
                                                                                  • Simon - never stopped them before!

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Herself
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 1:04PM
                                                                                • i think it's great to see a ballot taking place for the labor leadership. interesting to see whether caucus and the broader membership arrive at the same conclusions. two good candidates too.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  gravel12
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  the highlands
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  September 13, 2013, 11:35AM
                                                                                  • That might depend, a ballot is likely to give Albanese the leadership of the opposition, Shorten might step back, but 'accept' the position of deputy leader.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    wdawes
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:43AM
                                                                                • Great! Democracy at work.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Anna
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  September 13, 2013, 11:27AM
                                                                                  • And the next most worst appointment - Dennis ("climate change is crap") Jensen as science minister

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    emma wren
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:20AM
                                                                                    • havent you heard the result of election... Greenies have been hammered.. their vote has gone from 12 % to 7 %..
                                                                                      PUP is the new 3rd force of Aus politics.
                                                                                      He has become MHR in 1 election vs what it took 20 years for greens to achieve..
                                                                                      Carbon tax is dead Australia is open for business tasmanians will have a chance to be employed will not be convereted into a national park

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Antii Green
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:32AM
                                                                                    • He has a phd in science and was a research scientist at the CSIRO. Compared to the last minister for science who had an Arts degree he would be the most qualified Science minister Australia has seen in a generation.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Cwitty
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:34AM
                                                                                    • The man has a masters in Physics and a phd in material sciences.
                                                                                      He therefore would be more qualified to speak about sciences than you are unless you have a qualification in science.
                                                                                      For too long we have been told by Politicians that the science is in and we need to act on climate change, They do not listen to anyone who has a different view than they do the fact that there are scientists
                                                                                      Where is Rudd's qualification's that means his words on climate change should be listen to where a scientist in the field is not and their words are dismissed?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      terry
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                                                    • He may have a PhD but his grasp on scientific research and evaluation is laughable.

                                                                                      Antii green: there never was a carbon tax you can stop the negative dishonest propaganda now the election is over. As for tasmanian's getting a job? How many jobs do you think the timber industry can create? Have you even been there? Do you even know the situation? I highly doubt it given that comment.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Taswegian
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:44AM
                                                                                    • I don't think the earth's climate will stop undergoing dramatic and potentially catastrophic change just because the Liberals were elected and the Greens got less votes than the last time.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      JB
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:46AM
                                                                                    • Yes, Dennis Jensen can be living proof you can manage to get a PhD but forget how scientific method works.

                                                                                      And for other commenters - the connection between Abbott's victory and this nutter being promoted to a ministry (because he ISN'T the fmr shadow minister) isn't as obvious as you may fondly imagine. "Abbott won, lol" isn't quite a good justification for promoting every mouth-breather in the Coalition ranks as you seem to think. In fact, it isn't a justification at all.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Simon
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
                                                                                    • @ JB. No, the course of climate change will not stop or abate but perhaps we'll stop blaming CO2 & look for better explanations & also look towards adapting to a warming planet.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Lewis
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:55AM
                                                                                    • Terry: Your comments are confusing so let me see if I have this right. Politicians need to listen to scientists but only if they have a view not in line with the majority of scientists and science on the matter of climate change? Rudd, Gillard, Turnbull and even Howard listened to the science and based their comments/policy on what the science was telling them. If you have a problem with that then you have a roblem with science. Your argument is akin to Young Earth Creationists who deny the science because they can and manufacture evidence to support it. I do have a science degree although it's about as far removed from climate science as a physics degree but even I can see that the negative evidence just doesn't stack up.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Taswegian
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                                                    • antii green - Greens have at least five senators in, to PUPs two.
                                                                                      With your arithmetic you should be in line to work with Hockey in Treasury

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      faceless cat
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 12:02PM
                                                                                  • Bronwyn Bishop as speaker = judge, jury and executioner for Labour side

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    emma wren
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    September 13, 2013, 11:18AM
                                                                                    • The Pulse @ 11:15am

                                                                                      "I can only hope she becomes the new Speaker because that would be excellent for future question time blogging."

                                                                                      Perhaps she can bring back caning to the HoR?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Lewis
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:17AM
                                                                                      • Christopher would like that!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:20PM
                                                                                    • If Shorten becomes leader of the opposition, does this not create an even bigger issue with the GG - given that Shorten is her son in law, and she has the power to dismiss the government and call elections? Should the GG resign her post under such circumstances as the conflict of interest (perceived or real) would be a little too much?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Art
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:16AM
                                                                                      • No. 99.9% of what the Governor-General does is ceremonial and uncontroversial. She has acted with the very highest integrity to date and there is no reason to think otherwise.

                                                                                        No Governor-General ever has (with the exception of John Kerr) or will unilaterally call an election without the advice of the Prime Minister and I cannot imagine someone with so much demonstrated integrity as Quentin Bryce doing so either.

                                                                                        In the very unlikely event that she is called upon to make a controversial political decision - such as to decide whether to grant a double dissolution before the new Senate takes its seat on July 1 next year, I have no doubt that she will ensure that the decision is made by the most senior State Governor (who is GG when the GG is not here), rather than allow the process to be tainted by any appearance of conflict of interest.

                                                                                        But unless and until such an event happens on her watch, it would be nice not to have the malicious speculation that seems to pervade the right wing echo chambers.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        JB
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:43AM
                                                                                      • A new GG will be reappointed under this government :) so no conflict!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        leavemeanon
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                                                      • I once heard George Brandis praise Quentin Bryce, who used to be his law professor at Uni of QLD, as a person of the highest integrity. We have a first class GG in Ms Bryce.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Lewis
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:59AM
                                                                                      • Your concern is ludicrous. All laws, including the the budget must pass both houses of parliament, and the GG by convention does (nearly) everything on PM advice. The GG can't just appoint Shorten, and it would be pointless to do so as without Parliament he can't pass anything.

                                                                                        Furthermore Bryce's term is up within a year. Fortunately then this bizarre conspiracy can die (well splutter out of over the next year, I doubt people imagining bizarre GG-led coups are going to notice she's no longer in the job.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Simon
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:04PM
                                                                                      • A perception of conflict of interest at that level is unacceptable. The GG must resign if Shorten is leader.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Norm
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Maroubra
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:22PM
                                                                                      • @leavemeanon, you cannot "reappoint" a "new" GG. Back to class for you.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        The Other Guy
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Geelong
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                                                      • norm....how is it a conflict of interest?? She is GG....he is potentially opposition leader. What can they conspire to do?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        shannas31
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 12:48PM
                                                                                      • Perhaps we should ask Gough Whitlam if he thinks it is a problem if the Opposition Leader is the GGs son in law?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Ptolemy
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 3:24PM
                                                                                    • I prefer my pulses pressure cooked.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Kane
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      September 13, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                                                      • A new soap opera !The last one we funny but this new one should be a scream,and the new cast member will add a nice twist .they call him piggy.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        justone
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        oz
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                                                        • I think Kevin is destined to do a Billy Hughes and hang around the Parliament creating havoc well after his use by date (which was last week).

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Harvey
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 1:30PM
                                                                                      • Probably the best thing that could happen at the Caucus meeting is for Rudd to stand up, apologise to all, admit that he ran a dreadful campaign, resign his seat, then zip.

                                                                                        We know he won't - so would there be any push to expel him as an ALP member ?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Hacka
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:07AM
                                                                                        • Where is Rudd this morning? No selfies today?

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:15AM
                                                                                        • I think Kevin did pretty well for a bloke with nothing to sell, plenty of people bought it.

                                                                                          It's like blaming Kevin for what went wrong in 2009/10, it was the whole ALP that went wrong, and in the same way, whatever went wrong with the election campaign was the whole ALP's fault, not just Kevin's.

                                                                                          That's one of their big mistakes now, they want blame someone and move on, which stops them figuring out where they got lost (somewhere around 1990 I think).

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Norm
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Maroubra
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:48AM
                                                                                      • Steph,
                                                                                        will Julie Owens be in canberra? The count in Parramatta is much closer than Indi. Have Labor already counted this seat as one for them? What happens to sitting Labor members in the Maybe category? Can they still vote for the leader?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Cwitty
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:03AM
                                                                                        • In the previous system Julie Owens' vote would count because the ballot would be today while the seat was knife edge. There are other examples of people voting who were subsequently not elected in both parties. Now the seat will be decided long before she would be required to cast her caucus ballot.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          JasonK
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:38AM
                                                                                        • The ALP caucus won't vote today. Nominations are stll open for a few days. There is a strong possibility thatcaucus won't vote until the rank-and-file ballot is complete, but not announced. By then, final counts should be complete unless there is a court chalenge.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          bratman
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:53AM
                                                                                      • Yep, well, Dennis Jensen is certainly doing his best to create a predictable future by creating it through his words and actions. I fervently pray to the God of Bananas (as Andrew Bolt keeps on telling me I’m some kind of religiously-inspired theist) that the Coalition resist the bizarre idea of making Jensen Science Minster. I can see embarrassing open letters to newspapers signed by thousands of science academics and leaders in their fields should that happen.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Robert
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        September 13, 2013, 11:02AM
                                                                                        • Indonesia want us to assist them so they can bread beef.

                                                                                          Indonesia will not assist us with stopping the breeding of refugees via boat.

                                                                                          You can not have your beef and eat it to!

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          4Ken
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Auburn
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:01AM
                                                                                          • “Indonesia will not assist us with stopping the breeding of refugees via boat”

                                                                                            NO, Indonesia have been quite explicit about wanting both countries to work in a spirit or partnership TOGETHER to work out solutions and have expressed disappointment that the Coalition has insisted upon unilateral action without consulting their regional partners.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Richard
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 11:13AM
                                                                                          • True.

                                                                                            But the Coalition has not been sworn in yet. So it is a bit harsh for criticism when they have only ever been in opposition and very good at it.

                                                                                            Consultation with Indonesia.is coming.

                                                                                            I hope Julie Bishop waves the aid we give them in the consultation.

                                                                                            Have you seriously considered how can you have aid money if you can afford to buy 1 million acres of Australia! Or are we giving them aid money to buy our land?

                                                                                            Shall we continue?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            4Ken
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Auburn
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 11:32AM
                                                                                          • When Indo gives us $600 mil in aid then they can dictate our border policies....but while they spend $8 billion p/a on military... well,,, take a number ...

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            marky
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            beach
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                                                        • I think Abbott has a mandate to maintain all the former ministers from Howard in the positions they occupied in opposition.
                                                                                          He promised that time after time again in Parliament, he went to the public with that promise and that mandate he gave to us has to be kept.ministers maintained.n

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          trevora
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          melb
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          September 13, 2013, 11:00AM
                                                                                          • Hey Bill "not up to it" Shorten, as you will discover there is a lot of difference in debating with union officials and blue collar workers and a Rhode Scholar.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Garry of Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 10:59AM
                                                                                            • Oh please being a Rhodes scholar does not mean one has a monopoly on debating. Anyway Tony's scholarship was as a boxing blue NOT an academic one!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Rebus
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:33AM
                                                                                            • Garry, that has to be one of the most anodyne comments I've read. Tony Abbott had to dragged to poltical debate - he also consistently refused to answer journalist's questions, instead he rudely walked away, day after day, once he'd delivered another pat speech. He refused to appear on the ABC to be questioned in depth until the last week, and he refused to release his costings in any detail, at any point. This guy is no debater. Look at this - this is our PM in a situation where he needs to deal with a simple challenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyY-xI6zgfk

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Walt Hawtin
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              St Ives
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:33AM
                                                                                            • @Wait
                                                                                              If he is truly as bad as you say then what does that say about the people that he beat? As bad as you say but still preferred by the majority of Australians to the alternative. Your comments reveal more about the Labor party than they do about our PM.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Cwitty
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 11:52AM
                                                                                            • Cwitty
                                                                                              Abbott didn't beat anybody. Rupert and Gina did.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Steve
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 12:28PM
                                                                                            • Steve, your comment is as ridiculous as the image of Gina and Rupert holding several hundred thousand people at gunpoint as they cast their votes...

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Halfback
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                                                            • Halfback
                                                                                              You keep your eyes tightly shut if you want.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Steve
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 1:26PM
                                                                                            • Halfback, you can't be serious?? You honestly don't acknowledge the right-wing domination of the media in this country? Murdoch?? You honestly don't recognise the blatant right-wing bias in papers such as The Telegraph, for which the vast majority of its readership is uneducated, right-wing and swinging voters?? Talk about head in the sand...frightening!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Ostriches
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                                                            • Happy to, as long as you keep your mouth the same!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Halfback
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                                                            • Steve

                                                                                              See you are resorting to playground taunts.

                                                                                              BTW, what was Gina's involvement in this election and how did it affect the outcome?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              $keptic
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 2:14PM
                                                                                            • Skeptic
                                                                                              Biased Editorials in the last days.
                                                                                              Of course the extreme right wing don't see it as bias though.
                                                                                              They see anything less as Left wing bias.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Steve
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 3:14PM
                                                                                          • I hope Mrs Rowland has organised childcare for this term of parliament so we can avoid any more hissy fits like last time.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Nulla
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 10:56AM
                                                                                            • You mean the HISSY FITS from the men on the Liberal benches

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              the lion
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Darwin
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 12:21PM
                                                                                          • In my view Bill Shorten would make a great opposition leader at this time.The last thing the Labor Party should do is go down the petty,partisan ,negative road that the conservatives did .Balanced,truthful.objective but firm leadership is what is needed and Bill is the best person to fill that roll.Tanya Plibersec would make a great dep opposition leader and not a bad PM when the time comes.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            fishysson
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            NSW
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            September 13, 2013, 10:44AM
                                                                                              • I too hope that Bill Shorten becomes Opposition Leader and Plibersek as Deputy. That way the Australian people will truly know the values and morals that guide the Australian Labor Party.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Nulla
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                                                              • Bill Shorten will never be elected Prime Minister by the people, not after he stabbed two Prime Ministers in the back and therefore showed he cannot be trusted. Give Tanya Plibersek the job so she's got three years in Opposition and she will then be ready to be PM. She would win a popularity contest of Labor members.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Go Tanya
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:02AM
                                                                                            • Regarding the coalition victory last Saturday, it is becoming more obvious by the day that labor does not understand why they lost. If labor don't know, I'm not telling.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              kp
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              brisbane
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 10:40AM
                                                                                              • Labor lost because they chose the gentrified left over their blue collar base. They listened to their twitter echo chambers rather than the party organisers at the coal face in their suburban electorates.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:11AM
                                                                                              • Labor managed to alienate both most of what Lewis calls the 'gentrified left' (asylum seeker policy, half-hearted support for marriage equality, university funding and a few othr issues) and a good deal of the lower SES base (putting single parents on Newstart too early, leaving Newstart pathetically low etc). With the addition of the leadership merry-go-round, the leaks and the appalling communication -especially during the campaign - I'm surprised they didn't do even worse..

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                bratman
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:00PM
                                                                                              • Yep they really have no clue do they? But then a 33% primary vote is OK as well.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Alternate View
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 2:51PM
                                                                                            • If Bill Shorten is elected leader of the ALP and their polling continues to go south, will Bill stab himself in the back??? You know he's got form.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Brettie
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 10:29AM
                                                                                              • Bill was a far left socialist at UNI then to AWU then to a safe Labor seat mmm now that's a good grounding for a future PM to govern for all Australians in a free trade World. Mother in Law is our Governor General who under Rudd politicised her office but to her credit pulled back under Gillard. Plus I don't think he is really smart enough or good enough politically to handled the Abbott

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                impy
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:40AM
                                                                                              • maybe they are just meeting due to the budget emergency, or maybe to award the MVP to James Diaz?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                admin
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                melbourne
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:51AM
                                                                                              • Just Like Abbott with Turbul

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                                                                                                Johno
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                                                              • Wow all I can say is that you all voted for the current PM. It's time to each the cakes and fruits...

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                                                                                                Meh1
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:16AM
                                                                                              • impy, Shorten was not a far left socialist at Uni. He was in the Fabian society and was right-wing Labor.

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                                                                                                Al
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:26AM
                                                                                              • He'll fully support whatever he says even when he doesn't know what he said.

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                                                                                                Dano
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:39AM
                                                                                            • The Labor meeting might be the start of the battle to determine what constitutes "Labor Values".

                                                                                              It will be especially interesting which way they might lean on the carbon tax issue. Abbott's likely to get those bills to repeal into parliament very quickly indeed.

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                                                                                              Hacka
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Canberra
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 10:23AM
                                                                                              • Keep dreaming

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                                                                                                Dream Weaver
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:38PM
                                                                                              • The carbon tax always was a bit of a red herring. It's impact was minuscule compared to the gold plating going on with our electricity bills. Gold plating in the electricity market makes up around 50% of the bill!

                                                                                                Solve real problems thanks Liberals, not phony irrelevant ones.

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                                                                                                Bart
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                                                            • My prediction is that Anthony Albanese won't run today for the leadership race. A deal will have been done behind the scenes so Shorten gets the Leadership as the Union flunkies know that he is unpopular almost members. Personally, I think its a huge mistake appoint Shorten. His brand is toxic.

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                                                                                              Sarah of Carnegie
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 10:18AM
                                                                                              • well Bills the original faceless man behind the first coup at the behest of the AWU as Rudd was attempting to free Labor from Union control. Bring in Bill and the Unions have control of Australia again.

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                                                                                                impy
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:43AM
                                                                                              • I agree, Sarah. Albo will not run. They do not want any more delays with the rank & file also deciding on who will be leader. The fix is on & Shorten will be the new Leader of The Opposition.

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                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:02AM
                                                                                              • Happy to see Albo challenge for the leadership. He's much more likeable and Tania as Deputy.

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                                                                                                Sarah of Carnegie
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 11:56AM
                                                                                              • @impy. "Unions have control of Australia again"?
                                                                                                You need to step outside your dwelling and get a taste of reality. The Ginas, Ruperts and Clives run this country.

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                                                                                                meatatarian
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 12:09PM
                                                                                              • I agree Sarah - Albo strikes me as charismatic, passionate, sincere and honourable. He's just was the ALP needs. They certainly don't need Shorten.

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                                                                                                Albo's in
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:02PM
                                                                                              • impy
                                                                                                were you asleep last week when Rupert won the election.

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                                                                                                Steve
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:15PM
                                                                                              • Good call.....

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                                                                                                BBA
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Banks
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:26PM
                                                                                              • Abbott didn't 'win' the election - Rupert and Kevin facilitated Labor's loss. Despite Labor's dire position now, I think there's a reasonable likelihood of Abbott being a one-term-wonder - max, 2 terms. Indonesia certainly doesn't regard him very highly...

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                                                                                                Ostriches
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:53PM
                                                                                            • Memo to Caucus Catering:

                                                                                              For God's sake, make sure the party pies aren't cold.

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                                                                                              Louis Cypher
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              September 13, 2013, 10:15AM
                                                                                              • thanks man first laugh of the day

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                                                                                                impy laughing
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                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 10:45AM
                                                                                              • also, make sure the knives are plastic

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                                                                                                Tim of Altona
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                September 13, 2013, 1:57PM
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