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Politics live: February 13, 2013

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  • I think it's about time Tony "No Show" Abbott fronted the media and explained how unfair it is for woman to have to pay taxes on tampons and sanitary napkins ... get Abbott to explain how these products are not luxury items.

    Getting Abbott to front the media would be doing a Prince Charles though , I suppose.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    February 13, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Update from a stockbroker

      "The market has known for two years the MRRT was going to raise zero until around 2018"

      Commenter
      meoffg
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      February 13, 2013, 4:49PM
      • Hmmm Yes the market - because they never get anything wrong.

        Commenter
        Macca75
        Date and time
        February 13, 2013, 5:01PM
    • There are times when i really despair of politicians, despite all the quantitative results over an extended period, politicians still refer to Treasury as experts in forecasting.

      Really, when they consistently fail at forecasting what should be their core competency ie Revenue, Expenditure and economic growth.

      Why should anybody rely on them to understand or event predict accurately the complex factors which make up a multinational mining company's profit and loss statement.

      My question is did they even bother to ask a serious stockbroker who actually gets paid on their performance in forecasting major mining company's results.

      Commenter
      meoffg
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      February 13, 2013, 4:48PM
      • They asked plenty before the GFC hit and 99% of them said .... "What me worry" ........Alfred E. Neuman (Mad magazine) is now suing for copyright breaches.

        Commenter
        J. Fraser
        Location
        Queensland
        Date and time
        February 13, 2013, 4:55PM
    • 'Truthful' Julia's devotion to the Gonski report is no doubt brought about by her English teacher at primary school and others that taught her to speak and to pronounce words.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Gillard La La land
      Date and time
      February 13, 2013, 4:44PM
      • If the Gonski lifted your intelligence it would be hailed a success by all.

        Commenter
        J. Fraser
        Location
        Queensland
        Date and time
        February 13, 2013, 5:07PM
    • The states constitutionally have the power to levy royalties - even if these are unfair and inefficient. No argument. The feds own the GST money.

      Commenter
      bratman
      Date and time
      February 13, 2013, 4:43PM
      • The right for the Commonwealth to tax is set out in the Constitution of Australia. For instance, the protection of our trade sea lanes is seen to by our Navy. If your proposition is right, then the resources mined in say WA, shipped over the ocean; the costs associated with naval protection, should be borne out of WA States Royalties, a tax system left over from colonial times.

        Commenter
        Adam Smith
        Location
        Katoomba
        Date and time
        February 13, 2013, 4:41PM
        • ABC Religion and Ethics (!) obviously went to the same school of clarification as Andrew Laming.

          Still, at least the 'left wing' ABC is no longer referring to our PM as Jul ... oh, you know the rest.

          Sigh.

          Commenter
          Bill
          Location
          Melbourne
          Date and time
          February 13, 2013, 4:41PM
          • "I suspect this will be one of the major arguments put by opponents of recognition - it will create a legal minefield - an explosion of litigation, that sort of thing"

            According to John Howard and Co. the acknowledgement of the very simple fact that people used to live in this country prior to white settlement AND that well, they did enjoy an unbroken connection with the land they lived on in some cases was the end of everything. Blackfellers would just wander into your house and demand your backyard, your front-yard and the bits in between. And the courts would let it happen. Didn't happen. But he still managed to use it to wedge white and Indigenous Australians for his term as PM.

            Commenter
            Caffetierra Moka
            Location
            Sector 7-G
            Date and time
            February 13, 2013, 4:30PM
            • Ahhhhh ! those good old days of the Howard government that Tony "No Show" Abbott has the blueprints (with some renovations for the Navy to look at) for Australians to slip back into the past.
              I wonder if Abbott will call it "The Second Amendment" ?

              Commenter
              J. Fraser
              Location
              Queensland
              Date and time
              February 13, 2013, 4:48PM
          • "Has there been a worse government in our history, Mr Abbott is inquiring of no-one in particular in the House right now"

            'How's that Mr Positive working out for ya?' Australia is wondering of the worst opposition leader in our history.

            Commenter
            Bill
            Location
            Melbourne
            Date and time
            February 13, 2013, 3:53PM
            • 3:30pm: Has there been a worse government in our history, Mr Abbott is inquiring of no-one in particular in the House right now

              Well According to the IMF Mr Howards govt, which Mr Abbott continuously holds up as a model of virute was the worst we have had.

              Commenter
              Macca75
              Date and time
              February 13, 2013, 3:42PM
              • Has there been a worse government in our history?

                Good question. Federally? I can't think of one.

                Commenter
                Mark S
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                February 13, 2013, 3:40PM
                  • Short term memory loss ... get stuck into the fish oil.

                    This has been a public service announcement.

                    Commenter
                    J. Fraser
                    Location
                    Queensland
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 3:48PM
                  • According to the IMF, Howards' government for one. I can't imagine Billy McMahon's was that flash either, but I'm too young to remember that. The duplicity and venality of Howard I'm well acquainted with, however.

                    Commenter
                    Jace
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 3:55PM
                • For all its faults, the federal mining tax, in concept, is far superior to state royalties for 2 reasons:
                  It is fairer to the payer in accruing only to actual profits, not turnover (a point the opposition studiously ignores). Royalties can be payable on losses; I wouldn't wish that even on our mining magnates.
                  It is distributed across the national economy, not just to those states lucky enough to have the resources.Much of the physical and economic infrastructure used by the industry is national and I thought we were one sovereign country. Or are Western Australia and Queenslnd 'more Australian'?
                  I hope the feds have the backbone to discount GST returns to the royalty-gougers.

                  Commenter
                  bratman
                  Location
                  mount druitt
                  Date and time
                  February 13, 2013, 3:37PM
                  • I agree, the Feds must discount the GST paid to the States for the value of mining resource rent taxes. If the Feds fail to do this will result in an unequal federal tax system. I can see cracks appearing in Mr Abbott's judgement. The sooner he ousts Mr Hockey as spokesperson on treasury, replacing him with Mr Turnbull the better.

                    Commenter
                    Adam Smith
                    Location
                    Katoomba
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 3:54PM
                  • Queensland and Western Australia have forgotten that when Victoria and New Wales were doing well they helped them out, no sharing it around anymore.

                    Commenter
                    amro
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 3:58PM
                  • The states own the resources as a matter of constitutional law. If the federal govt wants to take state revenue they should hold a referrendum and amend the constitution instead.

                    Alas sneaky backdoor taxes are the ALP's tax method of choice.

                    Will be interesting to see if it survives a high court challenge.

                    Commenter
                    A Bodhi Nuisance
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 4:23PM
                  • One further point the RSPT does not tax profits like company tax taxes actual profits. Several legitimate expenses (particularly at the corporate level) are not factored into RSPT calculations.

                    You might want to do some more reading up on it before jumping on the propaganda bandwagon...

                    Commenter
                    A Bodhi Nuisance
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 4:25PM
                • Looks like another day of one track Tony.

                  As soon as QT is finished Australia will get Tony "No Show" again.

                  Commenter
                  J. Fraser
                  Location
                  Queensland
                  Date and time
                  February 13, 2013, 3:37PM
                  • @ J.Fraser....You're going to have to do better than that... Surely the 2013 Labor Party propaganda handbook can inspire more convincing spin, comrade.

                    Commenter
                    zac48
                    Location
                    Melb.
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 4:11PM
                • An so now it appears that the Government is going to try and steal mining royalties from the states (probably through withholding GST) just because they stuffed up in their hasty negotiations with the big three mining companies following K Rudd's execution.

                  Commenter
                  Alternate View
                  Date and time
                  February 13, 2013, 2:59PM
                  • The "Alternate View" is for there to be rich States and States in poverty.

                    I much prefer a common wealth of States and that comes about by a Federal government.

                    Just like the excellent P.M. Julia Gillard's government.

                    Commenter
                    J. Fraser
                    Location
                    Queensland
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 3:39PM
                • Some muppetts have misread Tanya Hosch's comments about the constitution becoming 'more Australian' as implying that some people are considered 'more Australian' than others. She is clearly referring to amendments which would make the constitution better reflect Australia's historic reality, not degrees of 'Australianness' of individuals. Funnily enough, some of the same lot seem to believe that those who retain elements of their (or their parents') previous culture - especially if they came recently on a leaky boat - are somehow 'less Australian'.

                  Commenter
                  bratman
                  Location
                  mount druitt
                  Date and time
                  February 13, 2013, 2:06PM
                  • Good to see bipartisan support for the Act of Recognition.
                    However Is Labor going to continue funding for the Close the Gap programmes?

                    Commenter
                    yys
                    Date and time
                    February 13, 2013, 2:04PM
                    • Brilliant from Obama that we should
                      Combat more on climate change for our children.

                      Commenter
                      Wendyv
                      Date and time
                      February 13, 2013, 1:38PM
                      • Hi Katharine,

                        Noticed the picture in the national times section of the website next to the politics live link shows Kevin Rudd at the parliamentary dispatch box with
                        PM Gillard looking on...

                        Is this blog trying to pre-empt the return of Rudd to the ALP front bench with the picture?

                        ...(I realise it's probably just an old picture but I can't pass up a chance at stiring the rumour mill)

                        Congrats on the new role btw...

                        Commenter
                        A Bodhi Nuisance
                        Date and time
                        February 13, 2013, 1:32PM
                          • Hey Bodhi Nuisance. We are not in the pre-emption game at The Pulse Live, believe me :). And thanks!

                            Commenter
                            Katharine Murphy
                            Date and time
                            February 13, 2013, 1:46PM
                        • Watching right now The States Of Union, both side of political parties behaving so civilize. Can't say for Australians political parties.

                          Commenter
                          Wendyv
                          Date and time
                          February 13, 2013, 1:22PM
                          • @ Ms. Hosch....There's no such thing as being "more Australian". You're either Australian or you're not Australian, like being pregnant.....Yours is the same socially destructive perspective of discrimination of so many "illegal migrants" who come to this country and insist on keeping their own original national/cultural identity and passports (dual passports) so they have one foot in each country and culture, which ever suits them best at any given time. They will never become "Australian".

                            Commenter
                            zac48
                            Location
                            Melb.
                            Date and time
                            February 13, 2013, 1:15PM
                            • There will come a day ...... some might like to be known as Nigerian Australians ... some might like to be known as British Australians and then quite a lot of people might like to be known as Citizens of the World.

                              Me .... I like Australian but I would prefer "Citizen of the World".

                              Commenter
                              J. Fraser
                              Location
                              Queensland
                              Date and time
                              February 13, 2013, 1:22PM
                            • You are either Australian or not, you are not Australian by 'degrees'.
                              It is only the Greens who wish for recognition of nationalities to be abandoned until we are 'fellow earthians'.

                              Commenter
                              yys
                              Location
                              Australian
                              Date and time
                              February 13, 2013, 1:41PM
                          • Gutsy Gillard dare go close the miners. Not like Howard.

                            Commenter
                            Adrain Choi
                            Date and time
                            February 13, 2013, 1:06PM
                            • It's election time, nothing complicated there in the pollies reasoning. Nothing sincere either, if the public buys this, they deserve to be taken for a ride. Am I a cynic? - yes!

                              Commenter
                              Alex
                              Date and time
                              February 13, 2013, 12:39PM
                              • Ouch Bob did get a bit cranky with Tim. Such a thorny issue for the KAP.
                                Danny Nulliah is meant to be officially launching "Rise Up" can't wait to hear his views on a myriad of social justice issues, not.I expect that's their main platform. Who's been visiting Hillsong and Catch The Fire lot, I wonder? Costello covered those bases for Howard.

                                Commenter
                                A country gal
                                Date and time
                                February 13, 2013, 12:25PM
                                • Rise Up. Are you the twin brother, sorry sister(don't want to be politically incorrect) of Get Up?. It doesn't really matter. Rise Up and Get Up, brother and sister?, two sides of the same coin. One destroying social righteousness by default while the other destroys spiritual righteousness by default. Both lost in an illusion and will no doubt spend the next 40 years wandering around in the desert of disdain, all the while being only a few days walk from reality.

                                  Commenter
                                  zac48
                                  Location
                                  Melb.
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 12:53PM
                                • Particularly sad that Katter thinks that only farmers and business people are committing suicide in Australia.

                                  Commenter
                                  J. Fraser
                                  Location
                                  Queensland
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 1:19PM
                              • The ALP should dump Rudd.
                                Let him sit with the Independents, Slipper and Thomson.
                                Then he will be able to vote with Bishop (the younger) and think of himself as the "Independent Prime Minister of Australia".

                                Commenter
                                J. Fraser
                                Location
                                Queensland
                                Date and time
                                February 13, 2013, 12:18PM
                                • +1

                                  Commenter
                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 12:30PM
                                • No doubt you would like K Rudd to depart - but still vote for the ALP in the house.

                                  Nothing like having your cake and eating it as well! Works for Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper I guess...

                                  Unfortunately for ALP supporters, he's here to help!

                                  I wonder if there are any more K Rudd videos that can be leaked to You Tube?

                                  Commenter
                                  Alternate View
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 12:42PM
                                • No, Swannie needs him to redesign the Miming Tax. Lol.

                                  Commenter
                                  Surplus
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 1:14PM
                                • "Alternative View" and "$keptic" must be the last of the Australians to know that I had the pleasure of voting Green rather than Howard or Rudd.

                                  Commenter
                                  J. Fraser
                                  Location
                                  Queensland
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 1:17PM
                                • Hear Hear.with you all the way. Send him to the dogs .he is a disgrace to his party. Spit the dummies Mr Rudd and Joel Fitzgibbon.I am a true supporter of Labor always will be, but you two should hang your heads in shame. Tony Abbott will see you two in jail before long because you will be in his way if he is elected . Hope to god he won't.
                                  Trusting Julie Bishop s like being kissed by Judas.
                                  Get out while you can Kevin .

                                  Commenter
                                  Mary
                                  Location
                                  NSW
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 1:45PM
                                • CBA earnings grew by 6 per cent to $3.78 billion profit in the latest half'

                                  "No, Swannie needs him to redesign the Miming Tax. Lol."

                                  Maybe Swannie should get some work experience at the CBA to understand that you need to make money before you can spend it.

                                  Commenter
                                  terry
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 2:24PM
                                • terry
                                  No what Swannie would learn from the CBA is that it's sensible business practice to borrow as they themselves do. You did know they borrow the money they in turn lend to you don't you?

                                  Commenter
                                  fred
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 2:36PM
                                • @ J Fraser: Ah, that explains everything.

                                  Thanks for letting me know.

                                  Commenter
                                  Alternate View
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 2:40PM
                                • The Labour Caucus should dump Gillard pronto and put back Rudd in his rightful place. Only then will the Labour party recover from its current low base and prevent the country from enduring a very long spell of Liberal government. Many like me will vote Labour with Rudd as leader bur will will vote informal with Gillard as Leader.

                                  Commenter
                                  Cliff
                                  Location
                                  Melbourne
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 3:50PM
                                • Couldn't agree more when is he going to get over it!

                                  Commenter
                                  amro
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 4:03PM
                              • What an historic day, that it's taken so long to recognise our own people is an oddity.
                                And let the bipartisan agreeance continue on issues of national importance.
                                A proud day for all of us. Let that gap close and disappear for once and all.

                                Commenter
                                A country gal
                                Date and time
                                February 13, 2013, 12:16PM
                                • Congratulations to both major party leaders on this issue of principle. They have at least progressed beyond those who fail to understand this nation's history.

                                  Commenter
                                  bratman
                                  Location
                                  mount druitt
                                  Date and time
                                  February 13, 2013, 12:12PM
                                  • Wonderful to see the commitment to indigenous advancement . Something positive happening in parliment.

                                    Are we there yet ? Is the ides of March going to be a new leader? Why are we waiting ????
                                    PS for the reply to my beginning to hate comment yesterday....sod you, I can feel that if I wish.:) Hate means really bad for me, as I don;t hate anyone.

                                    Commenter
                                    k.marshall
                                    Location
                                    eden monaro and cross with kelly
                                    Date and time
                                    February 13, 2013, 12:06PM
                                    • Did anyone bother to ask the aboriginal people if they want this?? Whilst it cannot do any harm it smacks of tokenism and I personally think that a more tangible expression of regret would probably mean more to them. Such as compensation for the stolen generation, back pay for the unpaid outback farm labourers etc. That is what my aboriginal friends tell me anyway

                                      Commenter
                                      randomguy
                                      Location
                                      around the corroboree
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 12:03PM
                                      • Have a close look at some of the photos ..... and then have a read of what tony "NO Show" Abbott is saying.

                                        You appear to be out of step with mainstream Australia but in step with the Tea Party.

                                        Commenter
                                        J. Fraser
                                        Location
                                        Queensland
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:13PM
                                      • I assume you didn't hear Patrick Dodson's speech then?

                                        Commenter
                                        Llama Farma
                                        Location
                                        Canberra
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 2:07PM
                                    • The Thomson matter has not been resolved and I suspect Craig Thomson will be exonerated.
                                      The Media,Politicians,Police,Fair Work Australia and other assorted commentators may have a lot of egg on their faces

                                      Commenter
                                      zacca
                                      Location
                                      adelaide
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 11:49AM
                                      • I'd be interested to know why you think Craig Thomson will be exonerated zacca.

                                        I don't disagree with you particularly and I can easily see a scenario where the case might not result in either conviction or penalty because of the technicalities of the law but that is different from exoneration.

                                        I'm interested to know what you think I might have missed.

                                        Commenter
                                        Brett50
                                        Location
                                        Adelaide
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:17PM
                                      • Good luck on that prediction!

                                        Commenter
                                        Alternate View
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:18PM
                                      • Some Journalists and other people think that charges should be laid against some LNP members.

                                        Commenter
                                        J. Fraser
                                        Location
                                        Queensland
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:31PM
                                      • @ Brett 50 Go to Independent Australia and Jacksonville written by Peter Wixx - Episode 42 on this matter has just been posted and together with previous episodes makes you think that there is more to this matter.

                                        Commenter
                                        zacca
                                        Location
                                        adelaide
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:39PM
                                      • Thanks zacca. I'm still not sure I agree with you yet but I can certainly see that you have a point. Thanks for the response.

                                        Commenter
                                        Brett50
                                        Location
                                        Adelaide
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 1:44PM
                                    • I remain unconvinced that our Constitution should reflect any difference between one Australian and the next.

                                      Commenter
                                      Puzzled
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 11:48AM
                                      • Zac
                                        If the Japanese had won WW11 and were still occupying and governing Australia I would like to think that I too would disassociate, alienate, disunite, discriminate and separate myself from the mainstream Japanese Australian community and society. Whereas it seems you would prefer just to accept it.

                                        Commenter
                                        rext
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 2:18PM
                                    • Instead of assimilation, why, with the help of the Australian government, is the Aboriginal community continually being encouraged to disassociate, alienate, disunite, discriminate and separate themselves from the mainstream Australian community and society. This deliberate creation of a schism between the Aboriginal people and mainstream Australia is the very essence of, and the meaning of racial discrimination in it's purest form, even to the point where the Australian Aboriginal people now have their own flag and are recognised as a totally separate and different nation 'within' the Australian nation. This 'feel-good, politically correct' path will eventually end in tears.

                                      Commenter
                                      zac48
                                      Location
                                      Melb.
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 11:40AM
                                      • Here's 1 Tony "No Show" Abbott supporter who doesn't like what his boss is doing.

                                        Will all the other Tea Party members of Abbotts so called "conservatives" now make their presence known.

                                        Commenter
                                        J. Fraser
                                        Location
                                        Queensland
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 11:59AM
                                      • zac
                                        What rubbish you are spouting!
                                        Australia has accepted and celebrates a range of cultures. Asian and European foods are available everywhere, we recognise celebrations from a range of cultures - from Oktoberfest to Chinese New Year, Hanukkah, Eid. But where is the celebration of Aboriginal culture? Where is the acceptance that their culture is of value?

                                        Commenter
                                        Steve
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:11PM
                                      • History shows us that assimilation never really works zac48. It is much more likely to be a synonym for cultural annihalation.

                                        Are you advocating that non Aborigines assimilate with Aboriginal culture perchance? Call for assimilation usually involve no cultural or personal sacrifice on the part of the person calling for it but blithely demand enormous sacrifice from those seen as "other".

                                        Commenter
                                        Brett50
                                        Location
                                        Adelaide
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:22PM
                                    • You saif KathM.
                                      "The Coalition also faced a bit of heat over its decision to hold back publication of its election policy costings until the campaign itself."
                                      How that for balanced and fair journalism! When labor was in opposition they presented to the Australian public thir costings late on the Friday afternoon prior to election day! Come on get real!!!

                                      Commenter
                                      captain groucho
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 11:30AM
                                      • Labor gave a lot of specific costings on the way - it was only the totality of the budget that they provided late.

                                        In any case, Labor did not have the benefit of the Parliamentary Budget Office - it had to depend on the Treasury which answered to Peter Costello.

                                        The truth is that Abbott and co are always telling us stuff - fully costed policies ready to go since the middle of last year, etc - but they never produce anything except negativity (today's commitment to indigenous affairs the exception).

                                        They seek to be in Government, but all they have shown under Abbott is their exquisite suitability for opposition. They do not propose; they oppose.

                                        Commenter
                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 11:38AM
                                      • Good to see the ALP drones back in action this morning.

                                        Here's a simple fact that you could try to debate or deny:

                                        Every budget that this current government has presented has ultimately ended up being blown with additional spending and dept.

                                        Explain why this makes the ALP the sole arbitors on the accuracy of Coalition costings.

                                        And by the way, the ALP were in Government when they released their costings at the last moment.

                                        Commenter
                                        A
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:16PM
                                      • Gliding past the gratuitous abuse, A, here is my response:

                                        Budgets: Ongoing effects of the Global Financial Crisis, the enormous international but politically inconvenient economic disaster that the neo-Stalinists want to airbrush from history.

                                        Opposition costings: they don't exist, so nobody can 'arbit' them. There is a highly credible independent body in the Parliament itself created by statute to do these costings, the PBO, which is still independent and credible despite the ignorant and abusive mischaracterisation of it by Liberals desperate to hide their evil general plans to rip away benefits and jobs.

                                        The Government reveals full costings for all policies all the time. All of the Government's existing plans will be costed in the May Budget for the next 4 years - that is through the next Government. The Liberals have produced nil, zip, nada, not a sausage of costings on anything at all. What are they hiding? Answer that!

                                        Commenter
                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 12:38PM
                                      • The ALP does give out a lot of costings info... I'd be more impressed if it ever came close to being correct.

                                        Commenter
                                        A Bodhi Nuisance
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 2:43PM
                                    • Not many of the Abbott cheer squad "Commenting" on the Wokkapedia "Bullet Points".

                                      Must be against the Tony "No Show" "constitution.

                                      Commenter
                                      J. Fraser
                                      Location
                                      Queensland
                                      Date and time
                                      February 13, 2013, 11:04AM
                                        • @Jfraser. Are you visting us from Planet Kevin or Planet Julia today?

                                          Commenter
                                          Carstendog
                                          Location
                                          Here
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 12:35PM
                                      • Heck it is the only issue that both sides of the politic or shall I rephrase it all sides of politic seems to agree upon since the last election. God knows what happens next parliament, TA may command such a majority that he will conveniently forget about it - knowing TA unless it is in writing and delivered anything goes.

                                        Commenter
                                        mais51
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 11:03AM
                                        • Indigenous Affairs is the only current public policy issue that Abbott genuinely cares about. In his whole history of ditching one principle after another, and one policy after another, in search of cheap votes indigenous affairs has been his line in the sand.

                                          The Prime Minister and the Labor Party know that indigenous affairs is the one issue that Abbott will negotiate on in good faith, which is why there is agreement. Everything else, Abbott has welshed on any deal that is not a victory that he can use for political purposes.

                                          Commenter
                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 11:22AM
                                        • Whyalla... (or Craig Emerson if you prefer) both sides of politics have been inconsistant on policies...

                                          Given Gillards record is as bad as Abbott's what's your point?

                                          Commenter
                                          A Bodhi Nuisance
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 1:35PM
                                      • Who cares what KRudd has to say, apart from Jools and her supporters? After the next election, Julie B. will arrange him an nice holiday as Ambassador to China - for services rendered to the Coalition!

                                        On a serious note, a great Constitutional move, well overdue. I agree with Mais51 - get it done at the election, save some money. No one in their right mind should oppose this.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tim
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 10:58AM
                                        • The Prime Minister and the rest of the ALP would not give a damn about what Rudd says if he was not the gift that keeps on giving to a cowardly Opposition, desperate to hide what they truly intend to do in Government and lazy journalists and their editors.

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                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 11:29AM
                                        • @Whyalla: Why do you feel compelled to use the word "cowardly" when referring to the Coalition?

                                          Not releasing policies and costings until the election campaign is in full swing has become accepted political practice since the ALP originally devised the "small target" strategy some time ago.

                                          And of course there's another ALP strategy call the "me too" which no doubt they would like to apply, like Julia Gillard did when she supposedly ruled out a Carbon Tax just days before the last election. We all know now how much credibility that had.

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                                          Alternate View
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 12:32PM
                                        • Alt, I feel compelled to use the word cowardly because that is exactly what it is: cowardly.

                                          Your own defence consisting solely of pointing to a misrepresentation of the the Government's position shows just how cowardly it is.

                                          In 1996, Howard lied to the Australian public (remember non-core promises) and ripped ripped the heart out of the public service, destroyed superannuation for the lower paid and brought dogs onto the wharves - all hidden from the public before that election.

                                          There is no doubt that this is exactly what Abbott plans now. He does not want to reveal his plans to benefit his rich mates in the mining industry who are bankrolling his political ambitions because he knows that he will have to defend them. The Liberals are cowards because they know that their policies and how they will be paid for and who will suffer as a result are indefensible.

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                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 12:45PM
                                        • And by the way, the small target strategy was invented by John Howard prior to the 1996 election. This is an unequivocal fact, although that is of little consequence to those for whom truth is a stranger.

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                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 12:51PM
                                        • @WW: Sorry, I live in NSW where all of the ALP's recent bad habits seem to have sprung from. Including small targets and other practices.

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                                          Alternate View
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 2:43PM
                                        • @ WW @AV - And I live in Victoria where we have to put up with the results of mis-applied and/or unjustified spending from the former ALP Government - e.g. desalination plant, Myki, public transport infrastructure, insufficient hospital spending, etc, etc. Nice that, after leaving a multi-billion dollar deficit in Victoria (which the Coalition has had to rectify), John Brumby was able to get a gig advising the Gillard Government on anti-dumping measures. After all, Gillard served as Brumby's Chief of Staff once upon a time...

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                                          Timbo
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 4:07PM
                                      • Wonderful - so why delay, why not do it now - both the Government and the Opposition agree to it, and since the LNP happy with it then the majority of the State Governments will be OK with the changes and I am sure the people will gladly vote for it. Come this September we'll vote for it - lets go !

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                                        mais51
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        February 13, 2013, 10:22AM
                                        • Everyone's waiting to see what the Independent Rudd has to say.

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                                          J. Fraser
                                          Location
                                          Queensland
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 10:29AM
                                        • J Fraser

                                          How quickly you eat your own

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                                          $keptic
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 10:42AM
                                        • I agree in spirit. It's a pity this issue slipped too far below the radar to get a positive resolution this year. But that said, I think the prudent choice for politics is make the case, deliberately and with sufficient time, and bring the community along. And of course the detail matters.

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                                          Katharine Murphy
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 10:49AM
                                        • I agree that the detail and community (and State/Territory Government support particularly) is essential.

                                          Abbott's personal and genuine commitment to indigenous advancement is enough to ensure that there is an outbreak of goodwill in Canberra, but there are a lot of rednecks and not a few people profiting from the continued misery of the indigenous population (alcohol pushers for example) who will fight tooth and nail against even symbolic measures that raise the standards for indigenous people.

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                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          February 13, 2013, 11:26AM
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