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Morrison defends information flow

The opposition targets Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison in question time over his changing account of a riot at Manus Island last week that left an asylum seeker dead.

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  • Given Thomson has twenty-eight days to appeal his convictions to the County Court, it seems a bit premature to have referred him to the privileges committee at this stage.

    Commenter
    Jason of Gold Coast
    Date and time
    February 24, 2014, 5:51PM
    • Just as well Morrison does not have many press releases - he would be changing feet all the time. As my father was wont to say . . . "treating the truth carelessley"

      Commenter
      MST
      Date and time
      February 24, 2014, 5:33PM
      • Gee some very ugly people here????

        Commenter
        bull
        Location
        bulli
        Date and time
        February 24, 2014, 5:25PM
        • Another good Parliamentary performance from the Abbott Govt. The ALP opposition is struggling with intelligent debate, chocolates? really? (what the?!)
          The Greens are still trying to stop people praying.
          Some things just don't change, unless you are a short term Opposition leader.

          Commenter
          enough is enough
          Date and time
          February 24, 2014, 5:22PM
          • Enough is Enough should change his name - something "too Much is Never Enough" Blimey EIE, if you believe the nonsense you write, you have a warped sense of reality. If you have concerns that questions about the cost of chocolates and who pays, surely it would worry you that Morrison has been caught out either lying (likely) or torturing the truth (possible) about a death; that Nash has conspired to pull down a website that has as its purpose promoting healthy lifestyles, Dutton wants to destroy Medicare, Abbott goes to weddings at taxpayer expense without any sense (not the slightest) that he had done the wrong thing, and the Coalition are about to spend millions on what can only be described (well by those with their minds in the right space, that is) as taxpayer-funded political witch hunts. Truly, this mob is hopeless, but worse, they are dangerous. They work on the theory that you say as little as possible but if found out obfuscate or lie. Transparent they are not. Dishonest they are. Enough is indeed enough!

            Commenter
            Prose
            Location
            Sydney
            Date and time
            February 24, 2014, 6:24PM
        • Speaking of the age of entitlement I see that Transfield Services, the company that was until recently Chaired by Tony Shepherd who is now the head of Abbott's Commission of Audit, was just awarded a billion dollar plus contract to run the Manus Island concentation camp.

          Shares in the company were up 25% today. I wonder how many Shepherd still has.

          Commenter
          Suspicious
          Date and time
          February 24, 2014, 5:04PM
          • I gather George has a new bookcase - I see we can apparently afford this but not any support for the most needy. And a stepladder as well . . . . . . and the age of Entitlements is over is it Joe ?

            Commenter
            Really ?
            Date and time
            February 24, 2014, 4:47PM
            • Let's be fair to George's on this. He's obviously got a lot of dance instruction manuals so he can "tear up the dance floor" at the next taxpayer funded Liberal Party wedding.

              Commenter
              Vacqueyras
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 4:59PM
            • Given that this bookcase can be broken up into three and relocated easily one can assume that the expectation is that George won't be needing it long term

              Commenter
              Ho Hum
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 5:08PM
            • A $15k bookshelf about the average cost of a bathroom renovation!

              Commenter
              Get Real
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 5:12PM
          • The Winter Olympics have just finished, but is Nick Champion really going for another podium finish for most-ejected this week too ?

            He might be trying to deflect attention from the Opposition Leader's performances but on the carbon tax a double back flip (without a pike) from Bill might actually help him.

            Commenter
            Hacka
            Location
            Canberra
            Date and time
            February 24, 2014, 4:34PM
            • Nickk just realises that he can be more effective bybeing kicked out - at least that hour was not wasted. After all it is the Govt who are there to formulate and implement policy - and they acheived nothing for the whole day - so one moe or less Opposition Member is not going to make any difference to the Govt scoreboard today - not only not a medal, but a failure to complete the course.

              Commenter
              MST
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 4:43PM
            • Of course you are free to comment however Hacka but it seems that the deflection is all yours if you think that Champion being thrown out is the big issues of the day - given the others - Manus Island; Nash misleading Parliament, breaching Ministerial standards and Abbott turning the blind eye. Plus the outrageous proposal to disclose cabinet papers to the Royal Commission.
              Those conservatives eh, no respect for tradition or indeed any interest in conservation except of their and their sponsor's financial interests.

              Commenter
              Lyn
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 4:49PM
            • LNP staffers have a habit of trying to deflect attention onto some meaningless "issue" - the Opposition is there to support the issues that they bought to the election not to rubber stamp the hopes of the Govt - The Blue Tie Boys might have to either 1. Negotiate - which they show no willingness or aptitude for or 2. Wait until July.

              Commenter
              Ho Hum
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 4:57PM
          • Hey, Hacka, you're part of the team.

            Been trying to work out how if the detention centre is run by the PNG Gov as Scotty keeps saying and their responsibility, what right, legal or otherwise does the Australian Gov have in preventing staff members from being able to talk about conditions in the camps etc?

            Seems a bit strange to claim no responsibility for things while at the same time, be able to prevent other things, like oversight. Which one is it.

            Commenter
            Sambo
            Date and time
            February 24, 2014, 4:27PM
            • How long will it take for the leftoids to realise and admit that they were slaughtered at the election over 5 months ago.The LNP has a massive mandate to steer Australia away from the mega, nay gigamess they inherited. In light of this, their bleating is totally irrelevant

              Commenter
              Erix
              Location
              Hebersham 2770
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 4:21PM
              • Pray tell when they are going to start??? All I can see is a government still stuck in opposition mode.

                Commenter
                Get Real
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:54PM
            • This is all getting boring - yet another day of non achievement by the Govt and Bishop the Elder hosing down any possibility of real debate. No chance of the Govt being held to any account for Manus Island or anything else for that matter. I hope the electorate has a long memory

              Commenter
              Really ?
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 3:48PM
              • If I was Nick Champion I would hope tp be kicked out as well - at least there is a chance to get something productive done during that hour . . . waste of time being in the House

                Commenter
                MST
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:35PM
              • C.mon now I thought Bill Shorten put an incredible performance today.

                Commenter
                Tom
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:46PM
              • I am more interested in what the Govt achieved - and incredible is not the adjective that comes to mind

                Commenter
                MST
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:49PM
            • If Morrison has blood on his hands from 1 death and multiple injuries (and I agree it is a horrible thing), what about the many many people who died at sea on Labors watch?
              We have to choose betweeen two distasteful options it seems. Which is worse? or more deadly?

              Commenter
              rough-ready
              Location
              NSW
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 3:32PM
              • No, we have a third option. Stop playing politics and start looking for a real solution. Let's write off the whole period from Tampa to Manus and start again.

                Commenter
                Gigondas
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 3:42PM
              • Difference: People drowning at sea on the way here are taking their lives in their own hands, they are exercising their free will and making a choice.

                People dying in detention are there because of government policy for dealing with people who have arrived here by sea.

                A death due to drowning is attributable somewhat to the person who drowned, knowing the risks involved in the journey. A death in detention is attributable to us as we voted for the government to implement such policy.

                Incidentally, it hardly seems very "liberal" to try an restrict someone exercising their free will to get on a leaky boat if they so desire, particularly where they do so in a foreign jurisdiction.

                Commenter
                tasch2
                Location
                Mornington Peninsula
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:09PM
              • Tasch2 - what about the 15 people who committed suicide in Aust detention camps 2008 - 2013?

                Commenter
                Puzzled
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:37PM
              • Puzzled, if you follow on from the above then it is pretty evident that those deaths would be attributable to us. You must be puzzled a lot.

                Commenter
                tasch2
                Location
                Mornington Peninsula
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 4:43PM
            • We have a Government that has declared war on the population with all the cuts and bad news we receive everyday. I now know what it must feel like to live in Greece because Hockey makes us sound like a basket case. Also a Government that dehumanises other human beings such as the refugees, could do anything to those in our country who are most vulnerable - it is the thin edge of the wedge what we see and hear relating to the Government and Labor's response to people who seek refuge from torture and death.

              Commenter
              Kris
              Date and time
              February 24, 2014, 3:22PM
              • Hacka you and Smacka are wasting your time. Only the rusted ons are listening any more. Not only a bad day but a complete waste of time. You could be down at the beach making smug comments there.

                Commenter
                Conraddd
                Location
                Darwin
                Date and time
                February 24, 2014, 3:17PM
                • Hacka

                  Even in your usual roll of blind Freddie dressed as the court jester you must understand the importance of carbon auctions to the carbon price. Yet here you are repeating Greg Hunt’s nonsenses as if they contain any semblance of truth.

                  Perhaps you can explain where the truth lays in the following porkies:

                  1: The carbon tax hurts the economy.

                  2: Demand for electricity is falling.

                  3: Green energy production funded by
                  the carbon tax does not work.

                  4: Climate change is crap

                  5: The carbon tax is a massive hit…on businesses, jobs and households.

                  6: Emissions are increasing therefore the carbon tax is a failure.

                  Go for it, Hacka and surprise us all: how you turn lies into truth.

                  Commenter
                  Pen of hrba
                  Date and time
                  February 24, 2014, 3:15PM
                  • Pen - at 1:58 a few technical questions came back at you, but you seem unable to answer them.

                    Why not have a go - do you understand what the RET is ?

                    And the CT is fixed price, so there is no relationship between the auctions and the price. Surely you know that.

                    As for hurting the economy, that's exactly what the CT was designed to - increase price to force high energy businesses out of business. Alcoa, cars - it's working.

                    Come on Pen, you can do better than that.

                    Commenter
                    Hacka
                    Location
                    Canberra
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:00PM
                  • @Hacka - The CT is not a fixed price as you would like everyone to believe. The CT is only a interim measure that sets a firm price which is then replaced by a ETS where the market determines the actual price of the permits. I know that you guys have not liked to mention the ETS as it doesn't have word tax in it (much like you all the paid parental leave a lvey when in fact it is a new tax on business). The ETS stands for "trading" scheme i.it is the pure embodiment of a market economy which you should be rusted on to. This was seen as the preferred solution when I did my MBA 1years ago. For the government to go to a soviet era style direct action was one of the greatest cons during the last election. ou guys must have been wetting your pants laughing so much about how you conned the voters.

                    Commenter
                    Lance
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:29PM
                  • Hacka if you care, which you seem not to given you so regularly spin, twist and distort the facts, you discredit yourself asserting falsehood as fact, as above ie:
                    "As for hurting the economy, that's exactly what the CT was designed to - increase price to force high energy businesses out of business. Alcoa, cars - it's working."
                    It wasnt aimed at hurting the economy or making anyone go out of business.
                    From the Parliamentary website "..... the underlying purpose of a carbon tax is to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and thereby slow global warming."

                    The long term effect would be for old polluting industries and technologies to be replaced with new cleaner ones. This does not mean anyone has to go out of business - if they transition to the new technologies and their businesses continue or they can do current practice smarter or cheaper then they can continue their old polluting business models. In the interim they have been compensated and even make money out of the process as have Alcoa - it has made a net profit from the tax and credits of $50m.

                    Your target audience is clearly the ignorant, the gullible and the intellectually lazy because no one but that group would accept as truth the disinformation you peddle as fact on these comments.

                    Commenter
                    Lyn
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:33PM
                  • I've said it before and I say it again If Abbott and Hockey don't like the money they get from the CT they could always return it the the respective company in the form of grand.

                    Commenter
                    Mais51
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:38PM
                  • Hacka, Pen did not as I read it equate the RET and the emissions reduction target. They were in 2 different but following sentences.

                    The conflation is all your own doing.

                    Commenter
                    Lyn
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:39PM
                  • Lyn - sugar-coat it all you like, but the carbon tax is designed to increase consumer prices and send high-polluting businesses to the wall. Alcoa is proof that it's working, and it won't be the last.

                    Lance - i'd be asking for a refund on that MBA if they taught you the carbon tax wasn't a fixed government charge. $23 per tonne year 1, increased via indexation.

                    Yes market mechanisms are good, but not a unilateral one that costs us export markets. Not to mention that the hysterics we've seen for years are unraveling.

                    Lyn again - despite the diatribes, clearly Pen is struggling with auctions, RET's CT revenues and the like.

                    Are you there Pen ?

                    Commenter
                    Hacka
                    Location
                    Canberra
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 4:48PM
                  • Hacka if you call the truth "sugar coated" then perhaps you need to change your information diet from the sour stuff you must have been indulging in.
                    I gave source evidence of what the carbon tax is intended to do and your counter is that your opinion is correct ( because I assume its yours) and also then tell me that I know you are right. Points for hubris but not otherwise.
                    You can twist it but where in Pen's words or elsewhere in the relevant post expressly or implicitly does Pen say the ERT is 20% or confuse the RET with the ERT?
                    Pen said "The Renewable Energy Target (RET) is nonsensical. The 5% reduction by 2020 is meaningless to most people..."
                    and then later making it clear that Pen knows that the 5% relates to the ERT, not the RET he writes:
                    "At this juncture it is impossible for Australia to reduce its emission by 5% by 2020".

                    Commenter
                    Lyn
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 5:48PM
                  • Hacka,
                    Alcoa is exempted from the Carbon Tax up to 94.5% meaning they only pay a token 4.5% of their accessible CT,hardly the stuff that make and break a company. Beside they already said that CT is not the reason they close shop.

                    If in doubt read this article:

                    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/2/12/resources-and-energy/alcoa-vic-pass-carbon-tax-liability-federal-govt

                    Commenter
                    Mais51
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 6:11PM
                • Abbott & Morrison are being so secretive about how they treat the Refugees and Asylum seekers, either at the Detention Centers or those arriving by boats, that their own secrecy is now causing them grief. Being open and honest is a decent thing to do Tony/Scott, and also giving all these helpless refugees a fair go, fair treatment is a decent thing to do. So sad to see a promising young life of Reza Berati brutally ended at Manus Island Detention Center. Tony Abbott, your treatment of these Asylum seekers is just appalling and pathetic. You & Morrison should go and live on Manus Island for few days and experience the hardships these helpless asylum seekers have been facing for months and years holed up in these cramped up places without any hope of a better life.

                  Commenter
                  FlowerGoddess
                  Location
                  Perth
                  Date and time
                  February 24, 2014, 3:14PM
                  • True to form Nick Champion continues to get himself kicked out. Probably Labor only consistent achievement at the moment.

                    Commenter
                    Sarah of Carnegie
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 3:12PM
                    • Please list the Govt "achievements" of today . . . . . or any day for that matter - the Opposition are not responsible for policy development or implementation, and the Govt is yet to realise that they are.

                      Commenter
                      Really ?
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:45PM
                    • So by your reckoning Labor are 1 LNP 0

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:50PM
                  • Seriously, what is Labor's end game here?
                    They put Manus Island in place. They awarded the contracts to the PNG Government.
                    Now what exactly are they after? Do they want it shut down?
                    Do they want to stop stopping the boats?
                    Or do they just simply want to score some political points over a man's death!

                    Commenter
                    notlad
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 2:57PM
                    • They have no plan. They just running around like headless chocks.

                      Commenter
                      Sarah of Carnegie
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:00PM
                    • No they are expecting a proper "Adult" government to administer it like any reasonable person would. This wrecking crew of a government are acting more like a bunch of Errol Flynn's!

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:01PM
                    • Yes Sarah - the headless chooks are on the Govt side of the benches

                      Commenter
                      Ho Hum
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:13PM
                    • It's irrelevant who is responsible for the embarrassment that masquerades as Australia’s immigration policy. Both sides are as bad as each other- the current government is largely carrying out the policy brought in by the last lot, after a race to the bottom arguing who had bigger bollocks, and who was the least wimpy. That language and approach remain.

                      Any argument that it's all Labor's fault can be distilled to "yes, I know we're pathetic, but boy, that last lot, they were even more pathetic than us”. And Labor has wedged itself spectacularly by allowing itself to be sucked into the comparative bollock size debate. Bipartisanship is all very well, but…

                      (As an aside- perhaps they could claim one bollock each…)

                      What matters is what happens next. Are we going to continue to demonise and mistreat refugees all in the name of border 'sovereignty'? Or are we going to come up with some positive, humane and bipartisan way of getting ourselves out of the mess our two major political parties have landed us in?

                      Commenter
                      Gigondas
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 3:28PM
                    • They put it in place because the libs wouldn't let them go to Malaysia where the conditions and treatment would have better. You can't have it both ways by saying the boats have stopped and then saying the government is doing the same thing as the previous government. Of course you will be right that it was the previous governments policies which Abbott has copied that had the boats already slowing before the last election. The only real difference is the current government has spent a whole lot of dollars on brightly colored boats so that it improves the TV coverage. That was what that all about - get a pretty picture on TV, not about saving lives.

                      Commenter
                      Lance
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 4:34PM
                  • @11.48
                    Think we should all be demanding yet another royal commission into "Crockerygate". Just what crests are currently in use? just where is the china in question? Cabinet minutes will need to be made public over this one surely!

                    Commenter
                    Meganjj
                    Location
                    melbourne
                    Date and time
                    February 24, 2014, 2:48PM
                    • Richard Marles is another slow learner. Three times he has asked the same question. He needs to clear his ears out and start listening to what people have said. What a waste of question time.

                      Commenter
                      Sarah of Carnegie
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 2:42PM
                      • Maybe if the question was actually answered with substancea and fact there would be no need to ask again. Just another example of "Duck and Weave 101"

                        Commenter
                        MST
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 2:45PM
                      • Pity we all knew the new information before "decent" Scott did. Maybe the copper network at his place needs upgrading....ooops

                        Commenter
                        Get Real
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 2:45PM
                      • Perhaps the question NOT being answered?

                        Commenter
                        Jump
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 2:48PM
                      • Perhaps when he gets a proper reply, which seems to be slowly coming out. At least this Opposition does ask real questions, Also less of the Dorothy Dix questions they take up too much of the public servants time, when they could be doing real work.

                        Commenter
                        Ausgaia
                        Location
                        Adelaide
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 2:49PM
                      • I don't like the Dorothy Dixer questions either. I agree they are a waste of time as well.

                        Commenter
                        Sarah of Carnegie
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 3:01PM
                      • He is asking on behalf of his constituents, and he can ask it a thousand times if he feels the Government is dodging the question. Read up on Australia's democracy.

                        Commenter
                        Newly Appointed Parking Inspector
                        Location
                        West Perth
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 3:09PM
                      • I realize he is asking on behalf of his constituents. But come one, three times, there was nothing new learnt from the questions being asked. Maybe because there was nothing new to shared.

                        Commenter
                        Sarah of Carnegie
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 3:14PM
                    • Yet another self indulgent comedic monolog from Joe Hockey bring back the dignity in parliament. I wonder if he used the same technique with the G20 meetings?

                      Commenter
                      Tim
                      Location
                      InnerCity
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 2:33PM
                      • All I could think of over the G20 meetings is how lucky we were that Wayne "the Goose" Swan was gone.

                        Commenter
                        Andie
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 3:05PM
                      • And Joe is a shining beacon of economic efficiency - giving the RBA billions of dollars it does not need and then crying poor . . . except of course when it comes to LNP middle class welfare, pollies entitlements etc

                        Commenter
                        Really ?
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 3:28PM
                    • Joe can you enlighten us on the "consitent principles" you warble on about, with 25 broken promises since election day.
                      http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-new-world-record-25-broken-promises-in-150-days,6145
                      Oh and by the way you promised a surplus then scurry behind blame and name calling when called upon!

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Date and time
                      February 24, 2014, 2:30PM
                        • Hockey in a commendable display isnt lying when he says the Govt has consistent principles. The principles of Opposition are being applied.
                          Negativity, blame Labor, false narratives that play to ideological agendas, payback for the 2010 election loss, hate and crush unions, contempt for ordinary workers and women not in their proper place, make more profits for the big end and do as I say not as I do (end of age of entitlement, stop the waste, transparent, adult, govern for all - you know the rest of the script).

                          Commenter
                          Lyn
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 3:25PM
                      • That question from Wilkie is so close to being a dixer as well ??!?

                        Commenter
                        Lewis
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        February 24, 2014, 2:26PM
                        • Amazingly somebody woke up Turnbull to answer a question! Even more amazing he blames the former government wow this lot are on fire today. Turnbull for the record Labor had promised to install the NBN in Tasmania not play politics!

                          Commenter
                          Get Real
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 2:26PM
                          • So you think it is all systems go for the NBN do you ???

                            Months if not years behind schedule and $400 Million over budget.- usual ALP implementation.

                            Commenter
                            Andie
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:07PM
                          • Andie how is Turnbulls clunker going? He hasn't even started and already they have had to admit to a cost and delivery blowout, figures mind you they knew before the election. To top it off the speeds are well below their previous promise!. i suggest before you post bring yourself up to date.

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:16PM
                        • The Renewable Energy Target (RET) is nonsensical. The 5% reduction by 2020 is meaningless to most people; worse most don’t understand what it means or how it works. There’s little understanding of how our emissions target is reduced by the maximum full load capacity of wind turbines or solar panels. indeed not one is capable of delivering maximum full load capacity over any given year, in fact the average delivered capacity (capacity factor) of our wind turbines is only 38% of maximum capacity. So when we read of say a 100 megawatt wind farm in actuality it only delivers 38 megawatts, but government dishonestly use the higher figure to meet the target.

                          At this juncture it is impossible for Australia to reduce its emission by 5% by 2020; our green energy production is only a fraction of what it should be to achieve the target. Aiding the impossible are the lies and disinformation put out by the environment minister Greg Hunt and the PM.

                          1: The carbon tax hurts the economy.

                          2: Demand for electricity is falling.

                          3: Green energy production funded by
                          the carbon tax does not work.

                          4: Climate change is crap

                          5: The carbon tax is a massive hit…on businesses, jobs and households.

                          6: Emissions are increasing therefore the carbon tax is a failure.

                          Six statements six blatant lies all designed to wreck any chance of reaching our emissions target, while making the target totally unrealistic by expanding coal production to render the target futile. Meanwhile the major contributors of the carbon tax of $6.6 billion made massive profits: BHP $7.6 billion over 6 months; Woodside: $1.753 billion; Rio Tinto $10.2 billion.

                          Abbottism doesn’t care how it dumps green energy production as long as it’s dumped to benefit mine owners and power station owners.

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 2:20PM
                          • Pen - the RET is currently 20%. Bad day ?

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:23PM
                          • Pen - are you living with your head in the sand? It appears you only believe what you want to believe and fail to look at the real facts!

                            Commenter
                            J.G.
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:45PM
                          • But if you are right one error does not invalidate the rest of her comment.
                            Not every one has the time you have to pick through a long post to find one error.

                            Commenter
                            Conraddd
                            Location
                            Darwin
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:03PM
                          • J.G.

                            Which are? Please enlighten me.

                            Commenter
                            Pen of hrba
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:18PM
                          • Pen has not made an error as I read it confusing the RET with the ERT.
                            Pen said the ERT is 5% and that is correct.
                            I see no conflation between the two ideas in Pen's post viz:
                            "The Renewable Energy Target (RET) is nonsensical. The 5% reduction by 2020 is meaningless to most people ...."
                            Hacka has misunderstood or is making it up.

                            Commenter
                            Lyn
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 5:19PM
                        • Has the Pieman lost the plot ? He's not going to win any arguments about job losses, which are in large part the direct result of his own policies.

                          But in another act of silliness, he forgoes all the confected leftie outrage about Manus to ask the first two questions about jobs. Who's advising this bloke ?

                          Commenter
                          Hacka
                          Location
                          Canberra
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 2:18PM
                          • Ah the adults and their name calling, truly we have become a truly enlightened society.
                            Schoolyard taunts abound.

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:21PM
                          • When you say Pie Man, it reminds me of Shane Warne. He's like a one hit wonder, Union Bill. He is stuck. Can someone remind me of what his one hit was?

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:31PM
                          • Sarah, BS had two hits, both in the back.

                            Commenter
                            Lewis
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:43PM
                          • Sarah, you say Shorten reminds you of Shane Warne then call him a one hit wonder. Do you know who Shane Warne is??????

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:43PM
                          • The obvious name is Shorten Ideas.

                            But now that the adults are in charge and we're living happily under a no blame, no excuses government, we will never stoop again to this sort of mindless point scoring.

                            Commenter
                            Gigondas
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:44PM
                          • Get Real - I think you can get more sense out of a kindergarten class.

                            Commenter
                            J.G.
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:47PM
                          • Sarah - maybe AC/DC's "Pieway to hell", no stop sign, speed limits ....

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:48PM
                          • Awesome, Hacka adds huge contribution to the governments plans for job creation is.....what for it all you unemployed..... Blame the previous government! So now we have, get rid of the carbon tax, get rid of the mining tax AND blame the previous government.

                            Commenter
                            Credlinbility
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:52PM
                          • Get Real - I meant the use of the term Pie Man reminds me of Shane Warne. That was his nickname in New Zealand. He was called that cause he eat all the pies. I don't know why Hacka calls him PieMan. I

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:04PM
                          • Confected the latest Rightist power word.
                            Next thing you know Smack will be saying it too... almost like a twin

                            Commenter
                            Conraddd
                            Location
                            Darwin
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:15PM
                          • Sarah - do you remember the incident last year on Lygon Street in Carlton where our Bill was a tad disrespectful to the lady who ran the bakery he ordered a meat pie from ?

                            It's a little childish i know but the Pieman seems apt at times, especially given many of the childish performances he delivers.

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 3:49PM
                        • Maybe after three goes Union Bill might be able to ask a question properly.

                          Commenter
                          Sarah of Carnegie
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 2:11PM
                          • I know how biased is this speaker, surely we have the worst government in history proudly supported by the worst speaker in History. Good point Sarah!

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:20PM
                          • It doesn't matter any way cause you wont get an answer from Abbott.

                            Commenter
                            Tim
                            Location
                            InnerCity
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:20PM
                          • Doesn't matter who the Speaker is, Union Bill is a weak Leader of the Opposition.

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:26PM
                          • Sarah - I rather think the weekness is on the other side of the House - sending refugees to Cambodia of all places is "policy" on the run - or back of the envelope

                            Commenter
                            Really ?
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:49PM
                          • Smart tactic to ask the same discrediting question in 3 different ways - the art of effective rhetoric - say the same thing 3 times.
                            Reinforces it in the minds of the punters.
                            So TA says RA Morrison is "strong" and "decent" and you now say Shorten is "weak".
                            The Libs meme of the day filtered down and out.

                            Commenter
                            Lyn
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 2:49PM
                        • I'd like to ask those advocates and sympathizers of illegal boat people whether they can handle the following situation:

                          Thousands upon thousand of people from third world countries who just want to live a better life and name Australia as their destination for migration, should you open your door for them to get in without asking about their background or checking whether they are criminals or considering whether they can make any contributions to this country or considering whether Australian tax payers agree to bear the cost for them?

                          When those people plough into Australian territory waters without permission and claim asylum without genuine reasons, will you risk your life at sea to rescue them and donate your assets to accommodate them? ... Be realistic and don't use your 'political correctness' to anger the silent majority in Australia!

                          Commenter
                          StopTheBoats
                          Date and time
                          February 24, 2014, 2:00PM
                            • Should you do basic background and criminal checks? Absolutely.

                              Should you let them in once checked? Absolutely.

                              You do realise, I hope, that the majority of people who come to this country as refugees end up as productive members of society that contribute and pay their taxes, just like you, right? Indeed, children of refugees are MORE likely to be in the labour force and MORE likely to be employed than Australian-born people.

                              I know it plays well to label refugees as economic vagrants, drifiting around looking for the dole and cheap healthcare, but actually, they are just people trying to find somewhere safe to make a life for themselves. Why is that so hard to grasp?

                              Commenter
                              You thought this question was hard
                              Location
                              It isn't.
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:09PM
                            • The "silent majority" is usually silent because it doesn't exist. It might help you to realise this.

                              Commenter
                              Loud
                              Location
                              Minority
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:10PM
                            • So the answer is to lock them up and subject to beatings, torture and even death. All the while demonising them and badging them illegal.

                              Commenter
                              Get Real
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:18PM
                            • Here'e a good one boat specialist. White people come to Australia as illegal boat people 200+ years ago. mmmm........

                              White people take control of Australia with guns and then make new rules. mmmm......

                              Now white people import into Australia nice guys, bad guys, gangsters, crooks etc. Common theme is they all have money with good exchange rate, favourable economic conditions so they buy all good houses in city with high employment.

                              White people kids can't buy houses in high employment area and are forced to move to small town with high unemployment.

                              White people make rules so that white peoples kids are eventually forced out of Australia.

                              White people..................

                              Commenter
                              Andy
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:18PM
                            • You can't do any background or criminal checks because these people deliberately destroy their papers....Keep them out of this country on those grounds alone.

                              Commenter
                              zac48
                              Location
                              Melb.
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:22PM
                            • Dear Stoptheboats,
                              Thanks for asking. As a sympathizer (though not an advocate) let me have a stab at the answer:
                              I think you present a false dichotomy: Processing asylum seekers in Australia in a humane and fair way is not the same thing as letting everyone in. Lets protect those fleeing for their lives like we told the UN we would when we signed the convention.
                              As for boats and risking lives at sea, the way to stop boats is to let people fly here then process them at point of entry (ie the capital cities) - currently the airlines are not allowed to board anyone without a visa or they get fined.
                              We are going to need modest yet adequate (motel style?) accommodation to house people while their claims are assessed.
                              As for criminality - well there may be some, but there are criminals born here too, and so far refugees have a lower crime rate than the rest of us (look it up).
                              Our current border policy should not be continued only because we are too selfish and afraid to treat people like humans.

                              Commenter
                              Joe Pierre
                              Location
                              Orange
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:33PM
                            • Hate to point out some flaws in your argument, but... Doesn't this government already state that there are too many Australian (yes, Caucasian) bludgers, and therefore wish to end 'The Age of Entitlement'?ely you can;t have it both ways?

                              Commenter
                              Jump
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 2:46PM
                            • @zac48 - 2.22pm. So, if ALL of them destroy their passports and documents so they cannot be identified - HOW did the government so quickly and easily identify the man who was killed, Reza Barati?
                              It doesn't all add up - does it? Hmm?

                              Commenter
                              Jump
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 3:00PM
                            • @ jump 3.00pm.....That's the name he gave them. Who knows what his name is?

                              Commenter
                              za48
                              Location
                              Melb.
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 3:59PM
                          • Asylum seekers are in the news, so it’s time to try again.

                            A few weeks ago I asked if anyone could give me a cogent reason why things being done on my name on the Indian Ocean were kept secret by Admiral Morrison. What possible benefit could it be to keep people smugglers in the dark about the fact that they’re being towed back to Indonesia, when they would have to be pretty dumb not to know that already (unless of course the Navy are using 20 nautical mile long tow ropes so the RAN boats are over the horizon).

                            The responses I got then can be paraphrased as:
                            1. “You’re nothing but a Rudd Gillard stooge and so are personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents, you should be ashamed of yourself you soy latte-sipping lefty”;
                            2. “You’re obviously so thick you’ll never understand, so even though I know the answer I refuse to explain it (and I’m jealous that you got Featured Comment)”; and
                            3. a parrot-like recitation of “We don’t want to help the people smuggler’s business model”.

                            So, again I ask, what benefit is there for the secrecy about ‘on water operations’ when the people to whom it is being done must, by definition, be aware of what’s being done to them? Is there a cogent explanation? Someone? Anyone?

                            Commenter
                            Gigondas
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 1:54PM
                            • (To self) No, I thought not.

                              Perhaps there is not cogent argument?

                              Commenter
                              Gigondas
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 4:35PM
                          • @ Simon Melbourne 9:42AM

                            Read the story about McDonalds today to see what happens when people are "too smart to join a union".

                            Commenter
                            R McEdden
                            Date and time
                            February 24, 2014, 1:54PM
                            • Can they now release the LNP Howard govt cabinet papers re 911 WMDs Iraq and Tampa, SIEV 11??????.........

                              Commenter
                              col in paradise
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 1:42PM
                              • Agreed col, not sure Abbott's setting a good precedent here.

                                Although you don't need to be a rocket scientist to explain Cabinet and Iraq - it's a five letter answer - ANZUS.

                                Commenter
                                Hacka
                                Location
                                Canberra
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 2:06PM
                              • Release those Cabinet papers - YES pls. All we need a REZA Royal Commission to ask for them. Double-yes for that !

                                (Why "Reza" - why not, given the way laws etc now seem to get named after the person/victim involved.)

                                Commenter
                                ilma2045
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 2:36PM
                              • Do you think Abbott and Co are smart enough to realise that their papers will be released once a new government comes in 2016. This whole operation secret borders will be laid bare. Well at least the policy napkins will!!!!!

                                Commenter
                                Get Real
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 2:58PM
                              • I think it an excellent idea that the truth about the SIEV 11 be made known.... How after being approached by the Australian navy the illegals on board deliberately scuttled their boat in an attempt to 'force' the navy to take them on board the navy vessel. Then, as their boat was sinking, those on board 'abandoned ship'. This act meant adults/parents deliberately jumping into the water either with children or children "thrown" in after them.... That's what happens when you decide to scuttle your boat and abandon ship. People end up in the water.

                                Commenter
                                zac48
                                Location
                                Melb.
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 3:03PM
                              • Yes I really have no idea why they are bothering with this, especially as Rudd, Gillard & Garrett are no longer in parliament so in the end the political capital to be gained is pretty much zilch

                                The public has already shown that they have had enough of the lack of substance from the current Gov. Why on earth do they think that an expensive exercise in cheap political point scoring is going to come across as anything than just that?

                                The LNP have some huge skeletons in their closet that make 4 deaths, however tragic, pale in comparison.

                                Why invite the payback?

                                Commenter
                                Sambo
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 4:40PM
                              • Absolutely correct. This is a very dangerous precedent to set and given them banging on about the boat people perhaps we should see those cabinet papers back when the chin overboard lie was sprung on the Australian people. Given it led on to an every increasing viciousness towards asylum seekers then going back now would be relevant.

                                Commenter
                                Lance
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 4:43PM
                              • The flood gate is open - there's no stopping it now. Abbott and Brandis will live to regret the day they open the genie bottle by trashing the Cabinet Confidentiality convention.

                                Commenter
                                Mais51
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 4:49PM
                            • No intelligence to speak of.

                              Commenter
                              Dirt
                              Date and time
                              February 24, 2014, 1:40PM
                              • Why does the Foreign Minister need to work out a deal to send refugees who come by boat to Cambodia when they are stopping the boats?
                                Is the cat out the bag and boats are still arriving but we are not being told?

                                Commenter
                                Mat
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 1:32PM
                                • No, if you actually paid attention instead of shooting off half-cocked, you would understand the Cambodia offer is for settling refugees that are currently in places like Manus Island, that will not be settled in Australia.

                                  The boats are stopping and now it is time to sort through the ALP/Greens overflow of asylum seekers that currently reside in detention.

                                  Commenter
                                  dRod
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 1:45PM
                              • At a cost of more than $400 million a year today taxpayers are funding debate on Whistleblowers? Australian Flag manufacturer? Chocolates? Where crockery is manufactured? Emblems on crockery? The Lord’s Prayer? And Wimps?

                                We would get better value for money if…hello is anyone there, shit now they’ve gone to lunch?

                                Commenter
                                Pen of hrba
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 1:31PM
                                • Think you might find they have been out to lunch for a while Pen. The lights are still on though.

                                  Commenter
                                  PB
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 1:41PM
                                • Just like the Hackenough Wipeouts on this blog, they're more interested in bagging each other, reciting snappy slogans and scoring pathetic political points than actually thinking about how to govern the place.

                                  Commenter
                                  Gigondas
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 2:22PM
                              • When are we going to start building this government to account?

                                Commenter
                                Steve
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 1:12PM
                                • Steve

                                  How do you 'build' a Government to account.

                                  Perhaps the CFMEU could assist.

                                  Commenter
                                  $keptic
                                  Location
                                  Melbourne
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 2:17PM
                                • $keptic,

                                  No they couldn't, the reason they become CFMEU delegates then organisers is that they couldn't make it in their trade.

                                  Commenter
                                  notlad
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 2:49PM
                              • 10.29 "In the hearing, As Jonathan Swan reports, Attorney-General George Brandis said he was "like Caesar's wife" when it came to the royal commission.

                                So now Brandis seems to be saying he is some kind of powerless girly. Yet two ticks ago in setting up the Batty RC, Brandis seemed quite happy to assume the role of a powerful Caesar.
                                Might some gender identity counselling be called for?

                                Commenter
                                Lyn
                                Date and time
                                February 24, 2014, 1:04PM
                                  • How will man's man Tones react to having a girly man in his cabinet, lest we say a wimp?

                                    Commenter
                                    Get Real
                                    Date and time
                                    February 24, 2014, 1:11PM
                                • I doubt that on-shore processing would cost $1.2billion. And the Right complain about the cost of asylum seekers!

                                  Commenter
                                  bratman
                                  Location
                                  mount druitt
                                  Date and time
                                  February 24, 2014, 12:48PM
                                  • The proposed cancellation of the carbon units auction is going to put the E-Bill in a pickle.

                                    If the AAP reports are correct the government's going to stop the auctions, which can only be reversed by having the Senate restart them.

                                    That means that Shorten will be forced to choose between backing the auctions (and hence adding hundreds of millions to household costs), or supporting the Greens and rejecting them.

                                    Crunch time Bill, what's it going to be ?

                                    Commenter
                                    Hacka
                                    Location
                                    Canberra
                                    Date and time
                                    February 24, 2014, 12:39PM
                                    • Yea, whoopie do. Good to see you promoting the rich again Hacka. I hope you've got about $10 mill in your bank account, as this government is about to damage our collective wallets if you don't.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tone
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:01PM
                                    • Tone - yep, the top 100% of richest income earners who pay the carbon tax.

                                      The government's trying to reduce consumer costs. A vote to support the auctions will increase costs.

                                      Bill's created himself a little wedge problem it appears. What's it going to be Bill - higher e-bills or lower e-bills for all of us ?

                                      (that should have read "supporting the government" by the way).

                                      Commenter
                                      Hacka
                                      Location
                                      Canberra
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:18PM
                                    • Heres a bit of logic. How about the government doesn't stop them in the first place. Problem solved but of course no political pnt scoring so not liekely to happen.

                                      Commenter
                                      Lance
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:23PM
                                    • Lance - the environmental lobby has come unstuck over the last few years. It's clear they've been overcooking the problem, and now they're increasingly isolated from public perceptions.

                                      Between the CT, RET, green grants and now auctions, many of you have been played for suckers.

                                      Bill might stick to his guns, but there's a looming WA election, not to mention ongoing Neilsen and Newspolls.

                                      Commenter
                                      Hacka
                                      Location
                                      Canberra
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:34PM
                                    • Hacka

                                      How do Australian's pay your hundreds of millions when the carbon price is only worth 0. 77 cents per day per capita? How many times does this fact have to be explained to you before you stop dishing out lies?

                                      $6.6 billion divided by 23.4 million population divided by 365 day a year equals 0.77 cents, Hacka.

                                      Commenter
                                      Pen of hrba
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:43PM
                                    • Did alcoa pull out of Geelong due to the LNP axing the carbon units policy as they actually net net in Australia made 50million from emissions trading under the scheme????

                                      Commenter
                                      col in paradise
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:45PM
                                    • Pen - aren't these auction costs strictly outside the definition of what constitutes the carbon tax ?

                                      But if not, the "hundreds of millions" that consumers will pay sits easily within the $6.6 billion that you quote.

                                      So which is it Pen ? I though an expert like you would be on top of those sorts of details, not to mention the maths.

                                      Commenter
                                      Hacka
                                      Location
                                      Canberra
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:58PM
                                  • Penny Wong has highlighted the desperate state of ALP opposition. Chocolates are very important issues of national interest and governance. Good to see Wong continue the immature, irrational and unimportant dribble that masks itself as the ALP. We're the chocolates made by union labor?

                                    Commenter
                                    enough is enough
                                    Date and time
                                    February 24, 2014, 12:39PM
                                    • The issue is that every government MP seems to have been given a free box of specially made parliament house chocolates that were supposed to be sold for charity.
                                      How much did the Liberal Party pay to the charity for the chocolates?
                                      Or did the right wing "entitlement" mentality kick in.

                                      Commenter
                                      Steve
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 1:20PM
                                    • A O Chocolate.

                                      Commenter
                                      I like
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 5:01PM
                                  • Perhaps someone needs to ask Mr Morrison, WHY are the Australian Tax Payers footing the bill for the Manus Island security staff to be put up on a cruise ship at a cost of A$76,000 per day....... they are all as bad as each other. One day there will be a politician with TRUTH n their side, but then again HELL COULD FREEZE OVER

                                    Commenter
                                    Chrissie
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    February 24, 2014, 12:32PM
                                    • that on-porcelain first shot of Mr Magoo is great. Oh Magoo, you've done it again.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tin
                                      Date and time
                                      February 24, 2014, 12:25PM
                                      • No unlicensed person can work on or alter in any way any electrical installation that is covered by SAA 3000 wiring regulations. Covering electrical cables with either aluminium or thermal insulation actually contravenes these wiring regulations, which are enforceable by law and can result in imprisonment for any breach.

                                        The fact is that before any ceiling space was covered with insulation a licensed electrical contractor should have been called in to make certain mandatory tests on the electrical installation and make the space safe. This could well entail making alterations to the wiring and installing insulated covers over lighting points in the ceiling space. None of this work can be done by anyone other than a licenced electrician.

                                        The Rudd government was made fully aware of the above several times and warned repeatedly of the potential dangers should they be ignored. Therefore the Rudd government had a duty of care to ensure that the above was complied with and fully understood by everyone operating under the government scheme and in the insulation industry as a whole.

                                        Wiring regulations SAA 3000 are national regulations covered by government authority, therefore it is incumbent on government to make sure that its program did not breach these regulations, it failed to do so. I repeat covering wiring with insulation is in breach of the regulations because it de-rates the current carrying capacity of cable. If a circuit is carrying the maximum permitted load and is then covered with thermal insulation the cable can overheat.

                                        Given the above a royal commission is more than justified because people died needlessly by government ignoring its own regulations.

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        February 24, 2014, 12:20PM
                                        • So in effect you are saying the previous commissions and investigations ignored this????? Wouldn't this $20 million be better spent on investigating Manus Island death, investing in jobs or the environment?

                                          Commenter
                                          Get Real
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:28PM
                                        • The government is not responsible for installing insulation, businesses and tradespeople were. State workplace health and safety and electrical regulations were broken by greedy people eager to make a quick buck.
                                          $20m for another inquiry is an absolute disgrace.

                                          Commenter
                                          Trickster
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:35PM
                                        • Pen of hrba, sorry but the DUTY of CARE is actually in the hands of the Employer, to ensure that the staff are fully trained and conversant with all Safety Aspects required. They accepted the money and the work, the Government has no say on WHO they employ

                                          Commenter
                                          Chriss
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:40PM
                                        • I have to disagree with you here.

                                          Prior to the insulation scheme, insulation was also getting put in people's roofs.

                                          Of course, no one was paying attention, and the same quality of work was being done as was done during the time of the insulation scheme. That is, not electricians were called then either.

                                          But lets not let that get in the way of an expensive witch hunt.

                                          Commenter
                                          Tone
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:59PM
                                        • Get Real and Trickster

                                          The insulation workers were ignorant of the dangers as were most of their employers. Electrical safety is the prerogative of a licensed industry it is licensed for the very reason of public safety. Several people died because the licensing laws were ignored because government did not lay down the rules of SAA 3000. Do you understand SAA 3000? No you don't. The government was warned repeatedly not to go ahead with this scheme by electrical authorities and unions, they were ignored and people died as a consequence. The relations of the dead deserve better than a whitewash as do the dead.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 1:03PM
                                        • Still disagree Pen, the batt installation industry has been around a long time and have been installing in houses. If these people did not know about the electrical regs then they are negligent. That is like jumping in an ocean and once attacked by a shark you blame the life saver for not warning you about sharks in the sea.

                                          Commenter
                                          Get Real
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 1:10PM
                                        • The pink batts scheme was an awesome scheme. It led to higher energy efficiency across the country. It is because this energy efficiency reduced the cost of living for the general population that the Liberals hate it so much.

                                          Commenter
                                          Tone
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 1:13PM
                                        • We have government employing/paying insulation companies to install insulation in conditions that are life threatening and exceedingly dangerous and paying with tax payer funds. Nearly 100 homes caught fire and several young and innocent people died.

                                          You are advocating that this is acceptable because you assume the same is done privately, in effect because it may be happening privately then it ok to do it publically, this called an error of reason.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pen of hrba
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 1:57PM
                                        • The Rudd government may not be criminally responsible but they were responsible for the failure to properly regulate what was a small industry that government intervention transformed overnight into a $4Bn industry & allowing participation of every scamer, fly-by-nighter cowboy operator. What makes it more damning is that they ignored several warnings.

                                          Commenter
                                          Lewis
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 2:19PM
                                        • But Pen, from reading your comments it would appear that you already know what this Royal commission is going to find. (If what you say is correct, that is). So why, than for purely political reasons, do we need to hold the investigation at all? $ 20 million could be far better spent. Using royal commissions for political payback is setting a very expensive and dangerous precedent. The ALP would be perfectly within their rights to conduct a similar 'inquiry' into the Manus Island riots, the LNP expenses rorts etc etc etc.
                                          All of this may eventually come back to bite Tony and his mates on their privileged backsides.

                                          Commenter
                                          meganjj
                                          Location
                                          melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 2:24PM
                                      • Can someone please enlighten me. Just what about Scott Morrison is 'decent'? Obviously TA and I have different interpretations of the word. Also highly likely we would differ in our perceptions as to what 'morality,' 'truth' fairness'and 'compassion' entail.

                                        Commenter
                                        meganjj
                                        Location
                                        melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        February 24, 2014, 12:18PM
                                        • It is a word play by the spinners of truth LNP, by labelling poor Scott as decent will garner support for the poor fellow, it is designed to portray him as honest and hardworking. Witness Hacka's previous post, LNP deflection 101.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pieron
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:32PM
                                        • Yes. Manipulations with language and meaning is their mainstay - and how they got to be where they are (government).
                                          In History, this was called 'propaganda'. Today, it is LNP-speak (but most of us know it as the Orwellian "Newspeak").

                                          Commenter
                                          Jump
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:57PM
                                      • Re: “I was just wondering if you just outline the origins of the daily prayers, McKenzie asks.”

                                        Having studied Jewish ancient history and culture for over 40 years and ten at two universities, it is amusing why on earth the Lord Prayer is recited in parliament, and the extent that most people do not understand the meanings of the words.

                                        “Our Father in heaven…”

                                        The biblical Father is the current Sadducee high priest with title of Melchizedek (Michael) also called the Light and El.

                                        “Your Kingdom come…”

                                        Kingdom: (basileia) a Jewish celibate community.

                                        “On earth as in heaven…”

                                        Earth: a Jewish congregation lead by a person with title of Earth.

                                        Heaven: a priestly sanctuary i.e. temple.

                                        “Give us today our daily bread...”

                                        Loaves: one of twelve leaders of the 12 Essene tribes, bread: the sacred meal given to a person following 3 years of study.

                                        “Forgive us our sins…”

                                        Sin: basically means a sinner a person who has had sex and therefore requires a period of cleansing as sex was considered personal defilement and no defiled person could enter a city because of an impure state.

                                        “Kingdom, Power, and Glory…”

                                        Kingdom and Power are titles of two men: King refers to a member of the levitical class who sat to one side of the menorah in the synagogue, beside the king sat a man with title of Raphael, thus they are symbolised by the two arms of three lights on the menorah called light. The centre light of the menorah is Glory. The association with light and glory is of Moses with glory (Ex. 33:18, 34:29).

                                        What any of this has to do with the Australian parliament is bemusing to say the least.

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        February 24, 2014, 12:11PM
                                          • Sorry Pen, but you are wrong. That is not the background of the Lord's Prayer. i don't know of any other way to say it. But your information is not correct.
                                            Thankfully whether or not is it right for the Parliament is a question that will be settled without reference to these myths.

                                            Commenter
                                            Joe Pierre
                                            Location
                                            Orange
                                            Date and time
                                            February 24, 2014, 12:28PM
                                          • Joe Pierre

                                            Actually I am right, for instance the word "earth" (Greek ge) is metaphoric thus,

                                            "I saw a new heaven (temple) and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away" (Rev. 21:1).

                                            Passed away?

                                            Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak; And hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

                                            Earth dies and hears?

                                            ‘I will answer the heavens (priesthood), And they shall answer the earth’ (Hos. 2:21).

                                            Earth also speaks?

                                            'Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them' (Re. 20:11).

                                            Earth can flee and comes in the plural: 'them'.

                                            But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth (Rev.12:16).

                                            Here we have earth (a powerful person) contending with a Pharisee high priest (Dragon). Thus 'earth' are men of importance.

                                            Earth 'worships' the first beast (high priest, Rev. 13:12).

                                            Every biblical word has its own metaphorical meaning that is totally different from its literal meaning. It is called Qumranic Hebrew.

                                            Not one biblical word should be understood by its literal meaning.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pen of hrba
                                            Date and time
                                            February 24, 2014, 12:53PM
                                          • You have eyes but you do not see, you have ears but you do not listen. There are many many other interpretations of the Lords Prayer Pen and that has to be the most academic, faithless interpretation I have ever heard.

                                            Commenter
                                            Lord Prayer
                                            Date and time
                                            February 24, 2014, 3:37PM
                                        • Featured comment:

                                          I seem to remember Abbott saying he wanted to get politics off the front pages and run an open transparent Government of honesty and trust. What went wrong ?

                                          Commenter
                                          mike of morayfield
                                          Location
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 9:45AM

                                          Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-february-24-2014-20140224-33b4v.html#ixzz2uCJMf82R

                                          Mike is totally correct here. What has gone wrong with Abbott and his Regime? Reality perhaps?

                                          Commenter
                                          Daniel
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          February 24, 2014, 12:11PM
                                          • This government biggest success to date was to chase Thomson and get a guilty verdict. Hopefully for them they can justify their hefty pay by successfully getting Gillard with the union royal commission and Rudd for the Pink Batts scheme and they will go down as the most successful government in history. So glad we don't have a wimp as a PM. Our PM is so staunch we attract the condemnation of China and Iran Roads, education, health, investment can wait for the next term, the public should just shut up and allow this government to abuse refugees and chase former and current Labour MPs. This is what we elected them for.

                                            Commenter
                                            Bon Rugandy
                                            Date and time
                                            February 24, 2014, 12:07PM
                                            • Who's batting?
                                              The ABC needs to know which home team to talk up......to keep Tony happy.

                                              Commenter
                                              Captain of the
                                              Location
                                              Home team
                                              Date and time
                                              February 24, 2014, 12:00PM
                                              • Bill Heffernan - maybe you should see if Operation Soverign Borders can be extened to the Parliamentary Triangle - perhaps the Army Reserve could be put in charge ???

                                                Commenter
                                                Really ?
                                                Date and time
                                                February 24, 2014, 11:32AM
                                                • 20 mil for insulation witch hunt. what a sick joke.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Grey Nomad
                                                  Date and time
                                                  February 24, 2014, 11:30AM
                                                  • Beats about 2,000 million in putting the stuff in and then taking it out. That's the real joke.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Brettie
                                                    Date and time
                                                    February 24, 2014, 11:52AM
                                                  • Wonder how many dodgy suppliers and fitters, sorry... 'entrepreneurs and job creators' will be called up? Probably none, since that's the LNP's core constituency.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Cap'n Morgan
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    February 24, 2014, 12:45PM
                                                • Actually Abbott is right...This is a no surprise's government
                                                  No surprise that unemployment is rising
                                                  No surprise that they have introduced new tax
                                                  No surprise that they attack the Unions
                                                  No surprise that they attack to poor people.
                                                  No surprise that they lied
                                                  No surprise that they arent the government they promised before the election.
                                                  ETC ETC ETC.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Steeden
                                                  Location
                                                  Ballina
                                                  Date and time
                                                  February 24, 2014, 11:27AM
                                                  • no surprise in giving out surprise.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    weeee
                                                    Date and time
                                                    February 24, 2014, 12:08PM
                                                • Should we have an inquiry into the IT issues within the Comments app that seem to be troubling Fairfax, and what part Scott Morrison might have played ?

                                                  Or are they symptomatic of the NBN policies of the current government ?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Hacka
                                                  Location
                                                  Canberra
                                                  Date and time
                                                  February 24, 2014, 11:23AM
                                                  • I agree Hacka, the current government are terribly incompetent. Inquiry this, royal commission that. What a total waste of money. The only time you have an inquiry is when you already know the outcome. Fancy crying poor and then blowing so much of our money on this rubbish. What an economically incompetent government.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Tone
                                                    Location
                                                    Melbourne
                                                    Date and time
                                                    February 24, 2014, 1:06PM
                                                • 9:26
                                                  "(What the?!)"

                                                  Doesn't seem to be very impartial. What was your issue?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Puzzled
                                                  Date and time
                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:50AM
                                                    • Why is it partial to question as I think Judith is the relevance of describing Morrison as "decent" and "strong" when his morals and musculature have nothing to with the issues at hand ie completely wrong info about the circumstances of the Manus death and injuries being provided to the public etc.
                                                      Abbott's statement is a pathetic deflection and attempt to garner sympathy for Morrison (why does he need or deserve sympathy?) and imply he is decent so cannot have done or do anything wrong. Please.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lyn
                                                      Date and time
                                                      February 24, 2014, 12:29PM
                                                  • Yes now that the ILLEGAL immigrants are taking the major slice of our foreign aid budget the level of aid to other countries for doing the right thing decreases. Our prestige across the globe is ever decreasing.

                                                    The problem needs to be fixed in the corrupt countries. The UN needs to have financial administrators which can step in and control all the spending in that country to make sure corruption is held at bay.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Noogie
                                                    Location
                                                    Budnaberg
                                                    Date and time
                                                    February 24, 2014, 10:34AM
                                                    • Re Abbott's irrelevant and deflecting defence of RA Morrison as decent.
                                                      This fortnight's word issued by Lib HQ to defend stuff ups is "decent".
                                                      Dutton used it last week re Nash - she is "effective" and "decent" he said.
                                                      Sob, poor Scotty.
                                                      This manipulative nonsense is meant to arouse public sympathy - suggesting the critics are beating up a decent person plus surely everyone knows decent people are less culpable or not at all.
                                                      At least the Libs have abandoned the incredulity creating defence that followed Gonski ie you didnt hear what you think you did. Who said the Libs are like the Bourbons learn and forget nothing? They have grasped that there are these recording thingeys that mean the public and media can go back and listen to what was actually said rather than what the Libs said and wished they had.
                                                      At least for RA Morrison and Nash's sakes, it's not at the stage of "x has my full confidence/support" as that usually proceeds the coup de grace.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lyn
                                                      Date and time
                                                      February 24, 2014, 10:19AM
                                                      • Some days it's hard to be the PM
                                                        Slashing jobs across the land
                                                        You'll have the deadlines
                                                        He'll have the headlines
                                                        And you've got someone else to haul the can
                                                        But when you keep the focus
                                                        On someone's else's locus
                                                        You can hide behind that man
                                                        Their career may limp
                                                        but they can can't call him a wimp
                                                        But, after all - he took the job as your spokesman

                                                        Stand by your man
                                                        Just make some enquiries follow
                                                        The conclusions may be hard to swallow
                                                        But he'll be the one the papers slam
                                                        Stand by your ma----aaannn

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Caffetierra Moka
                                                        Location
                                                        Sector 7-G
                                                        Date and time
                                                        February 24, 2014, 10:15AM
                                                        • Some days it's hard to be a true believer
                                                          Rudd got in he was "Look at me, I want all Australia's attention, I know I'll close refugee detention"
                                                          The knives came out the Pm became a lout and so Rudd warned don't lurch to the right on asylum seekers, as he took flight
                                                          Gillard was now leader, she was ready to sort out the government after Rudd, the mess, the chaos she was up for the fight
                                                          Now as far as the asylum seekers problem goes
                                                          Gillard didn't want them in front of her nose
                                                          so she ignored them, hoping for them to go away, oh to be a refugee!
                                                          Gillard brainstormed as the asylum seekers drowned
                                                          "Look at me, we'll have a committee"
                                                          Soon Gillard was on the nose, she was on her last legs and soon she was gone we were to have a new PM, she was out on her bum, oh what to do with the seekers of asylum?
                                                          We now had a new, old leader Rudd,
                                                          "I want to get tough on asylum seeker exploitation, I'll lurch to the right without explanation"
                                                          So off to New Guinea they would go, Rudd our leader was to call an election, when asked about the asylum seekers, he replied, "That soon won't be my problem" without hesitation

                                                          Commenter
                                                          GJS
                                                          Date and time
                                                          February 24, 2014, 12:13PM
                                                        • Not sure about 'their career might limp'.

                                                          Don't you mean HIS career might limp.

                                                          We do know he is a MAN, surely.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Saddington
                                                          Location
                                                          Canberra
                                                          Date and time
                                                          February 24, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                      • My 10 year old nephew liked the Wimpy KId books - but he has outgrown them. I would have the The Adults were old enough to behave like men not like playground wimps

                                                        Commenter
                                                        MST
                                                        Date and time
                                                        February 24, 2014, 10:07AM
                                                        • well ,they think they know what they are doing with their loyalties and positive outcomes and growth potentials and all that fairy floss of happy endings forever more Amen ,to bind them .

                                                          Commenter
                                                          XXX
                                                          Date and time
                                                          February 24, 2014, 10:05AM
                                                          • I am utterly disgusted and greatly disappointed with this current Gov't stance on boat people. We can take a lot more people in this country and sooner or later, we will, the only difference is that later we'll not have any say on it. The UN will draft a resolution whereby Australia will have to take at least one hundred million refugees around the globe in the near future. For example the area of North Sydney, from the bridge all the way to Palm Beach can and will house millions of refugees, we can do this, we're compassionate people with integrity and responsibility in the Asia region. Let us embrace ALL REFUGEES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Max
                                                            Location
                                                            MOSMAN
                                                            Date and time
                                                            February 24, 2014, 9:56AM
                                                            • I guess Max your views were the same under the Rudd, Gillard and Rudd again governments

                                                              Commenter
                                                              GJS
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:35AM
                                                          • So deaths at sea are not ok, but deaths in custody are. Hmmm. It's a deterent, right? Let's just devalue the death of this one individual because they're not one of us. Morally bankrupt.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jennifer
                                                            Location
                                                            Carlton
                                                            Date and time
                                                            February 24, 2014, 9:53AM
                                                            • Jennifer,

                                                              I don't recall there being candlelight vigils around the country when over 1,000 people died on their way to Australia under the Labor/Greens alliance.

                                                              Any death is a tragedy, but surely reducing the death rate from 1,000 to 1 is progress!

                                                              Commenter
                                                              dRod
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 12:14PM
                                                            • dRod, the Americans have a name for this. It's called "Collateral Damage." That means they accept deaths in the name of "progress". It most definitely does not mean it's right.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Jennifer
                                                              Location
                                                              Carlton
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                            • So Jennifer, would you rather the boats started again?

                                                              If you have a better solution please state it. And by solution, I mean something that is realistic!

                                                              Commenter
                                                              dRod
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 1:41PM
                                                            • That's right rod - Because so many LNP voters are so worried about deaths at sea. So, so worried. Joe Hockey even shed a tear for them! Such big hearts they have.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              JTHooker
                                                              Location
                                                              Melbs
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 1:59PM
                                                            • jtHooker,

                                                              At least the LNP can actually deliver on a solution.
                                                              How many died under the Labor/Greens watch? What, it doesn't matter to you because the LNP are doing it all for the wrong reasons?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              dRod
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 2:52PM
                                                          • What does (what the ?!) mean? Is this some kind arcane opinion, only understood by "in" readers?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Lost
                                                            Location
                                                            Vic
                                                            Date and time
                                                            February 24, 2014, 9:48AM
                                                            • Not arcane but it is slangy - modern too and seems perfectly OK to use it. The context justifies its use IMO.
                                                              So Lost you must be lost in the past not to have heard that expression.
                                                              I am not sure that you really don't know what it means but presuming you are genuine - it is a strong expression of incredulity.
                                                              There are longer versions "what the hell?" is one and there is a cruder one that isnt suitable for publication.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Lyn
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:30AM
                                                            • A lot of people are mystified how a minister who is utterly non-transparent about what he isdoing, and has just had to correct the record about major details of a serious incident resulting in a death and many injuries can be called 'not a wimp', 'strong' or 'decent'.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Simon
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:32AM
                                                          • I seem to remember Abbott saying he wanted to get politics off the front pages and run an open transparent Government of honesty and trust. What went wrong ?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            mike of morayfield
                                                            Date and time
                                                            February 24, 2014, 9:45AM
                                                            • What went wrong - well he got elected - that sort of comment comes from the Opposition and not from a Govt that hides behind the Military and 3 word slogans and now the rice fields of Cambodia.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              MST
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:04AM
                                                            • I don't hear people laughing their heads off at the Lib Govt they way they were laughing their heads off at Labor with Gillard and Rudd everyday.
                                                              No boats for how many days now? How many lives saved?
                                                              I know it must be devastating for you. The Abbott's border protection policy is working..Ouch...must hurt obviously.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Paul
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:04AM
                                                            • Nothing went wrong. He also said that you couldn't believe a word he said unless it was written down. Well that has been proven to be the only truthful thing he said in the election.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Lance
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:11AM
                                                            • Paul - I hear a lot of sick laughing . . even China has commented on our human rights "policies"

                                                              Commenter
                                                              MST
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:17AM
                                                            • Paul your barracking for Abbott and denigration of Rudd etc is based on a falsity. The main plank of the Libs border protection policy was implemented by Rudd.
                                                              So which is it - your comment is ignorant or disingenous?
                                                              Re you not hearing the laughter - that's good. The doctor was right to up the dose.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Lyn
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 10:46AM
                                                            • Nothing has gone wrong, it has all gone to plan. You seemed to believe his words being the first step in his plan.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Master Blaster
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 12:37PM
                                                            • He got in. That's what went wrong.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Cap'n Morgan
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                            • What went wrong was that "certain sections of the media" were making a big deal everyday out of everything the ALP and Greens did.

                                                              The problem for some newspapers is that they are so heavily controlled they are missing out on interesting Aust political news.

                                                              There is a high profile court case on in the UK that is getting hardly any exposure in many of the same newspapers.

                                                              No wonder their sales are down !

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Rod
                                                              Location
                                                              the Coast
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 1:00PM
                                                          • Totally agree Judith @ 9.26am. The "You don't want a wimp..." statement from Abbott sounds like a direct link to the children's books - 'Diary of a Wimp'. Historically, this will ensure egg remains on Abbott's face.
                                                            (What the?!) - as you've asked.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jump
                                                            Date and time
                                                            February 24, 2014, 9:37AM
                                                            • "You don't want a wimp running border protection". Quite true.

                                                              Of course, wimps hide behind generals and departments, claim "operational matters" and "I was misinformed by anonymous people" and generally talk cruelty yet don't let people see it in action and act all surprised at the results. And thats why Morrison should be sacked (and because Abbott is cut from the same cloth, he won't be).

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Simon
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              February 24, 2014, 9:23AM
                                                              • What a weekend - apparently we don't want a "wimp" - running our border protection policy and it is OK to send refugees to Cambodia. What planet is Tony on ?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Really ?
                                                                Date and time
                                                                February 24, 2014, 9:22AM
                                                                • Why is Cambodia with its deplorable human rights record better than Malaysia? Ah, I forgot that this government doesn't consider human rights to be relevant when looking where to dump people.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Lance
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:28AM
                                                                • Hum, because Cambodia is a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention, and as such would like to take up its humanitarian role as a settlement country. But hey deride them for doing what you think is right. It's first world western countries only for settling refugees for the supposedly non racist lefT.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 12:26PM
                                                              • I think the main question for the Opposition of this week will be can Shorten find any sort of fire?

                                                                His performance so far has been insipid. He's been unsighted on Manus, on Nash, on Channel 7, on well everything except the union RC and manufacturing.

                                                                That his contribution on manufacturing was naive and economically illiterate was by the by - he's just not taking the fight to the Government.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Simon
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                February 24, 2014, 9:19AM
                                                                • I think Union Bill is out of his depth. He just has one of those personality types that doesn't come across as passionate about a cause. He is a bit robotic in his manner.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Sarah of Carnegie
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:40AM
                                                              • We don't want the Antichrist running border protection either.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                RAD61
                                                                Date and time
                                                                February 24, 2014, 9:17AM
                                                                • She's gone

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  GJS
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:13AM
                                                                • Good one GJS!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  peter
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 11:03AM
                                                              • Between Manus, Medicare, Thomson, WA elections, unions and the economy, it promises to be a busy week on the Hill.

                                                                With all the excitement of last week nobody seemed to notice that the first draft of the CoA report has been handed to Hockey. Wonder what it contains.

                                                                And then there's that planned union march in March - is it still on ?

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Hacka
                                                                Location
                                                                Canberra
                                                                Date and time
                                                                February 24, 2014, 9:04AM
                                                                • Nor has anyone questioned the signing away of our sovereignty with the TPP.
                                                                  Take your blinkers off people - we are heading for the rubbish bin with this government's absurd policies and their continual bumping and swaying from one grave mistake to another.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Jump
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:16AM
                                                                • I hope all Australians will "march" against this disgraceful Govt and their morally bereft boarder protection policy.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Really ?
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:24AM
                                                                • Hacka - Come the cause - come the parade.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Smack
                                                                  Location
                                                                  City of the Fallen
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:33AM
                                                                • Who cares if some idiotic trade unionists march up and down the street? The 85% of the workforce who are too smart to join a trade union won't notice and won't care.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Simon
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:42AM
                                                                • Really - the only one's who want to march against the job Morrison is doing are Labor, Greens and Get up.
                                                                  They've gone from he is lying saying he will turn back the boats, he's lying saying he will turn them around, he's lying and only using slogans saying he will stop the boats to try another angle.
                                                                  Seriously, I know who should be "real" here. You people like to accuse the Coalition of "witch hunts". Really?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Lucas
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 9:47AM
                                                                • Jump - welcome back from retirement. Seems like the boats are slowing, the budget is being addressed, the only headline from the election that's outstanding is the carbon tax repeal - a large black mark against the ALP. The government's policies are the same as what they campaigned on.

                                                                  Smack - between now and St Pat's Day, there's bound to be more "causes" added to the list. According to Catherine King if a Medicare co-payment comes in it's "the death of Medicare". Go figure.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Hacka
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:04AM
                                                                • @Jump, Labor got the ball rolling with the TPP - the destruction of Australian economics and sovereignty has been a bipartisan effort at the behest of the Anglo-American technocracy/globalists. How many times are we going to shout out "conspiracy theorist" before we realise that we are being bankrupted and ruined in the Western world. There is a great series of three graphs on the wikipage for Australian government debt. Look at the figures from 2010 onwards - we are heading towards an implosion. We went from less than 50bn debt to 500+ within a few short years.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Hater
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:05AM
                                                                • Lucas - there are a lot of LNP voters who have misgivings about how Morrision is handling these issues and commentators raising concerns here may just not be ALP or Green voters

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  MST
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:10AM
                                                                • @Hacka - nice to see you have had the staff meeting and decided on what deflection topics the party is going to use this week. Are we really going to go over all that old stuff again and again? Even you must fall asleep saying the same thing over and over?

                                                                  In any case you seem to have missed a few items on the list - the lying by the assistant health minister and the lying by Morrison. Just like the children overboard lies this government is very happy to rush out unsubstantiated mistruths when it suits their position but if it doesn't then the "operational matters" argument comes up and they censure the press.

                                                                  This government is really coming over as a big bunch of liars aren't they (of course I expect you will come ck with a pathetic deflect comment about Gillard but mate, move on. We have your government in now and they have to take responsibility for their actions now).

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Lance
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 10:25AM
                                                                • Lance - "Just like the children overboard lies this government".....sounds like you are living in the past. That happened 3 Prime Ministers ago. That is what this government is trying to prevent from happening again.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  J.G.
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 2:54PM
                                                                • @Lance you are right. Hacka has quite a few things to say to Smack who is always there to chime in with an agreement. Did you say staff meeting Lance?

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                                                                  Conraddd
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Darwin
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 3:08PM
                                                                • Smack only you are talking about the march. You were talking to yourself about it on Friday's blog oh hang on you were talking to Hacka about it. Sorry only you and Hacka were talking about the march. Sorry with the similar name, tandem appearances and unquestioning loyalty along with identical stance on absolutely everything its easy to get you 2 mixed up.

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                                                                  Conraddd
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Darwin
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                                • Conrad - it you're going to launch a tirade at people, it helps to at least know the name of your target. At least you were sensible enough to raise the white flag on Friday ....

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                                                                  Hacka
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  February 24, 2014, 4:06PM
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