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How much will a leg of lamb cost?

The opposition used question time to challenge Tony Abbott's claims about the impact of the carbon tax on household bills.

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  • Clive and Abbott will do a secret backroom deal on Carbon! I have no positive faith in this process.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 14, 2014, 9:01AM
    • I think "positive faith" in this government is a sentiment fast running out, not only for you but for lots of others as well.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:17AM
    • Greens and ALP preferences got Palmer voted into to Fairfax. Why did this preference deal get done? what is the payback to Clive? why won't Shorten and Milne explain this? Why the coverup?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:18AM
    • ...how do you think things are done in the Senate??? Its ALL back room deals! Seriously...the outrage seems to only about issues that you don't like!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:45AM
    • Why why why why.
      Why do taxpayers have to fund this rubbish.

      Commenter
      Dr Bombay
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:53AM
    • How did we get a Carbon tax in the first place - a BACKROOM deal between the ALP Gillard and the Greens Brown.

      Commenter
      Andie
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:00AM
    • E=E, Palmer is no better and no worse than the current Government. Why would the Greens preference the Libs ahead of PUP?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:48AM
    • Enough is enough... really? I was under the impression that voters filled in their own preferences in the lower house ballots... so that preference flow you mentioned could be a reflection of the individual greens and ALP voters putting the Libs very last on their ballots...

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Reality
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 1:42PM
    • Andie,
      A carbon tax/ETS was john Howard's policy as well.
      Did he have a back-room deal with the Greens as well?

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 2:58PM
  • Yes let's look at the moon for both PUP and the Greens, hand in hand over the Milky Way. With the ALP following closely.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Date and time
    July 14, 2014, 9:06AM
    • Dont worry about the moon. how about on another planet eie?

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:29AM
    • Dear EiE,
      You sound a bit atonal and rattled
      this morning,
      but remember "hope never dies"
      ".we'll meet again"
      " the teddy bear's picnic' etc:

      Commenter
      and sundry
      Location
      croydon
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 12:29PM
  • Must be the cold weather in Canberra - where are the Liberal Party Dancing Girls this morning ? Still trying to stich up deals perhaps.

    Commenter
    MST
    Date and time
    July 14, 2014, 9:13AM
    • Somehow I just can't see Peta also taking on the job of wardrobe mistress. She's too busy trying to undo last week's mess.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:19AM
    • Freezing MST - no signs of global warming in Canberra today, but maybe a thawing of Senate negotiations.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:28AM
    • no Hacka...just wait until Sept and this El Nino and bushfires really set in.....what will you say then?

      Commenter
      JT
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:43AM
    • Hacka; apparently hell was going to freeze over before mumbles negotiated with the minors....well,Canberra....Hell...

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach (sun out, shirt sleeves)
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:50AM
    • JT - as El Nino and the bushfires have nothing to do with climate change, i'll probably say it's business as usual for the environment.

      David D - did you realise that the Abbott quote you use was about forming government, nothing to do with negotiating passage of bills ?

      About the only time in a couple of generations that a government has not had to negotiate in the Senate was the 2004-07 era, and some would say that didn't do the Howard government much good.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 10:50AM
    • Right, so according to Hacka,
      Cold day today = climate change is disproved
      Hot day today = nothing to do with climate change.
      Is there anything that would convince you Hacka? Since thousands of pages and decades of research won't?

      Commenter
      JLD
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:21AM
    • Coldest day in Brisbane on Saturday in 103 years. Note the word 'coldest".

      Commenter
      Traddles
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 12:25PM
    • Hacka don't let ignorance get in the way of propaganda....of course el nino will be more extreme with more CO2 in the atmosphere.....go and get educated in the science of it. Its how the atmosphere works in reality....not how Abbott wants the atmosphere to work!

      Commenter
      JT
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 1:33PM
  • Palmer: “Tone, you’ve got to cough up all the savings.

    Abbot: “No worries, they’re mandated.”

    Palmer: “So, you have mandated for $550 x 8.4 million households making a total refund of $4.62 billion, right?

    Abbott: “Hang on, I stopped the boats?”

    Palmer: “Are you telling me, Tones that you’ve been telling porkies again? Are you paying back $550 per household because, “The price of electricity went up and up and up” and “If the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow, the power doesn’t flow,” or not?

    Abbott: Their not lies… err…well, not really?

    Palmer: “What can I tell you: you couldn’t tell the truth if the Pope was hearing your confession at St Peters. You know they’re porkies. Are the savings I’m supposed to be saving, $550 per household or more of your crap?

    Abbott: Err, well there’s the…herm… the “Climate Institute chief executive reckons figures from the Energy Supply Association of Australia suggest savings will total between $80 and $200.”

    Palmer: So, at best $200 x 8.4 million households for a total: $1.680 billion, or at worst $80 x 8.4 million households for $672 million. You are short changing householders by either $2.948 billion or $3.948 billion. On a per capita basis your savings are either 19 cents a day or 0.07 cents a day. And the Financial Review reports network companies are seeking further price rises. Who are you frigging kidding?

    Abbott: “But, I stopped the boats?”

    Palmer: “Look! I promised! All! All savings, which you, you repeatedly claimed was $550 per household?” Now you expect me to send the carbon tax to toxic paradise for 0.07 cents for Christ’s sake! What will Al say?

    Abbott: “Stuff Al, I stopped the boats.”

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Date and time
    July 14, 2014, 9:19AM
    • Internet: Pen, Your longwinded daily diatribes are slowing the internet and are normally just cut and paste...and often wrong (esp on defence matters).
      Pen: But if I post lots of figures and unbalanced arguments and pad them out then people will think I'm an expert and it'll boost my ego.
      Internet: But Pen, there's an entire world out there. Why not try not logging onto your confuser for a day and get some fresh air. The interwebs will still be here tomorrow for you to post your never ending comments.
      Pen: But...but...(random numbers and padding)

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:53AM
    • Sick of the Left

      Aww, shucks did the truth hurt that much? And dear old Pen a leftie too, not in your lifetime Sick. Keep well.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 10:11AM
    • Sick of the left, Pen's rather more amusing than you; leave it with the left, they do satire better.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 10:16AM
    • Sick o l Pooor Pen has no other life then glued to the SMH website all day every day.

      Commenter
      Andie
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:02AM
    • Haha....go on Pen. See if you can go a whole day without commenting. See if you can just have a life tomorrow instead. You might actually enjoy it. Get out and see the world. One day Pen...just one. Tomorrow.

      Commenter
      sick of the left
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Andie...you would only know that if you yourself were glued to the blogs everyday...how else would you know how often pen posted opinions? LOL....caught out big time!

      Commenter
      JT
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:13AM
    • Dude...really? Are you in primary school?

      Commenter
      sick of the left
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 11:51AM
    • Gee its cold here today pen. Obviously AGW, sorry climate change. Its only AGW when its hot right?

      Commenter
      Pragmatic prince
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 3:57PM
  • I am sure that any and all who risk being "hit" are looking for loopholes right now - or just maybe the "savings" don'y exist ???

    Commenter
    Really ?
    Date and time
    July 14, 2014, 9:22AM
    • Environment Minister Greg Hunt told Fairfax Radio he had "electronic engagement" with the crossbench over the weekend.

      As much as I cant stand this guy this line is a cracker....

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:24AM
      • Wow - so they exchanged e-mails ?? I guess we are all having electronic engagements today

        Commenter
        Blue Tie Dodgy
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:35AM
      • ....phone call...email...VIDCON...your comments here....hate to tell you...it's ALL electronic!!! Why is it even worthy of comment?

        Commenter
        Sick of the left
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:43AM
    • Definition of a "small business" not subjected to penalities - one of any size that is in a LNP electorate

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Dodgy
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:26AM
      • ...or is a substantial donor to the LNP

        Commenter
        stevek
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 10:18AM
    • 9.01:*Electronic Engagement*? I thought they only did that in rabid dictatorships & Abu Ghraib. Is Smirk the new Strongman of the Grabbalition? Did he use chilli powder as well?

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong
      Date and time
      July 14, 2014, 9:29AM
      • Hunt "we will not stop, we will not rest, we will not step back, we will just keep going until the tax is repealed." Maybe time to hire a real policy advisor rather than a sound bite author and get a piece of legislation that ticks the boxes

        Commenter
        Blue Tie Dodgy
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:32AM
        • Perhaps he uses the same one Shorten does. He only talks in sound bites as well. Do any of them talk normally?

          Commenter
          Drewboy
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:02AM
      • Has Greg Hunt entered into the 21st Century from the dim dark past and actually used 'electronic communication'? What something vaguely resembling Science and Technology.....go back to where you came from Greg....from the 1600's....leave Science and technology to those who know.

        Commenter
        JT
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:42AM
        • He used one of those windey-uppy thinges that giveth off a shockke. You get them from the Majick Shoppe.

          Commenter
          David D
          Location
          Ettalong Beach
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:02AM
      • There are no savings Clive...the whole thing was a conjob from Abbott all along.let go of that...just get rid of this tax now but insist it get replaced by an ETS.

        Commenter
        JT
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:46AM
        • Yes doesn't Clive realize the carbon tax has nothing to do with price rises and consumer gouging from state providers?

          Commenter
          Daniel
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 9:57AM
        • He already has, and the ETS will begin when our major trading partners are on board.

          Commenter
          adrian
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:10AM
        • Clive's nickel refinery will save $6 million a year without the tax so good luck convincing him there are no savings.

          Commenter
          Lewis
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 11:49AM
      • I see Clive is in a Blue Tie today - hmm - any hints I wonder ??

        Commenter
        Blue Tie Bias
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 9:53AM
        • Shame someone can't wear a nice light blue tie now just because they like the colour....shame it has to be associated with being a neocon.

          Commenter
          JT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:04AM
        • Tones is often photographed wearing RED budgie smugglers. What does that say. I suppose the real indicator is what side he dresses on.

          Commenter
          mitch of ACT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:43AM
        • He also wears green and orange fluro vests - a bit all over the shop is Tones

          Commenter
          Get on with it Boys
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:47AM
        • Whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. The most glaring recent example was his praise of the "war-making skills" of the Japanese submariners who attacked Sydney Harbour wnen speaking at the welcome for Abe. That has been an enormous insult to China & Korea who suffered for years at the hands of the Japanese in the '30s & '40s and still hate them with a passion. Our RSL is deeply offended as well.

          Commenter
          mitch of ACT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 11:15AM
        • "Tones is often photographed wearing RED budgie smugglers."

          How often is that, Mitch?

          Commenter
          Lewis
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 11:51AM
        • @Lewis http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/blogs/rocco-bloggo/tony-abbott-sees-red-20101021-16vt0.html

          Commenter
          mitch of ACT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 12:10PM
        • Had a look at your link, Mitch but no photos??!? I've only ever seen photos of Tones in smugglers once and in Queenscliff SLC colours.

          Commenter
          Lewis
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 12:58PM
      • The Carbon Tax will be repealed some time this week. Prices will not go down, the economy will not suddenly splutter into a sprint, unemployment will still slowly increase, the electorate will realise they have once again been duped. Australia will be the big looser as our competitors will ramp up clean technology because we are out of the market. Well done Tony now reap what ye hath sewn.

        Commenter
        Wise One
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 10:00AM
        • Well said. Can't wait for. Our taxpayer funded mob to spin their lies of just why it failed to get the promised result.

          Commenter
          Sick of spin doctors' lies
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:35AM
        • And our manufactured goods will be denied entry to foreign markets on the grounds that their price does not include a carbon component. We would do the same for non-carbon component imports competing with our locally-produced goods.

          Commenter
          mitch of ACT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 11:08AM
        • And what of the climate? Will the earth start to warm again?
          After all, that's why we have the tax, isn't it?

          Commenter
          Browns
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 12:14PM
        • @Browns the Earth is continuing to warm and this summer I expect a lot more heat records to be broken in Australia. I wonder how many more extra people will die as reported in Victoria. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-23/heatwave-death-toll-expected-to-top-almost-400/5214496

          Commenter
          mitch of ACT
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 12:28PM
        • So if we had it the ALP way, we would get an ETS linked to the EU carbon scam. That would mean the price would fall from $27 to around $4. Now that would have a massive impact on the cash available to splash around as bribes and propping up unsuccessful pet Green propaganda. So that would mean we would have to borrow billions of dollars to make up the shortfall. I now that is just water of a duck's back when it comes to the ALP but obviously all their cheer squad don't quite seem to grasp money doesn't fall from the sky.

          Commenter
          Morpheus
          Location
          Kevin's massive ego
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 6:26PM
      • Always appreciate this live blog from Judith.
        It appears odd given the size of parliament house that there is meetings in private rooms of PUP in the building of the press club.
        Is there no room in the Inn for this big baby that is exerting so much influence in the breaking of a stalemate between the major parties.

        Commenter
        Koel
        Location
        Qld
        Date and time
        July 14, 2014, 10:02AM
          • Maybe The Clivester is worried that *the Hill* is bugged...or Wendy Deng is stalking the airconditioning ducts to spy on him (quick, where*s the tinfoil?)

            Commenter
            David D
            Location
            Ettalong Beach (they are everywhere)
            Date and time
            July 14, 2014, 10:23AM
          • Nah Palmers paranoia told him that the PUP offices in the House, their computers and mobile phones were being monitored by ASIO.

            Clive , more likely by the Chinese - they want their $12 Million you took back!

            Commenter
            Andie
            Date and time
            July 14, 2014, 10:59AM
        • Oh the luvvies have some problems. Emma Alberici's story about Climate Change yesterday must have the luvvies in a spin. Come on luvvies please explain Emma's criticism of ETS, the Greens and the ALP? all a waste of money, yes taxpayers money going to waste. Congratulations to Emma to break away from the groupthink at the ABC. Pen, where are you on Emma's enlightening story?

          Commenter
          enough is enough
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:08AM
          • Serious money can be made with an ETS ....

            Do you own due diligence.

            Commenter
            ETS @ ETS
            Date and time
            July 14, 2014, 4:39PM
        • As the climate change skeptics, flat earthers and science deniers looked up into the sky on the week end they heralded it as sign from the heavens that Abbott's Carbon Tax mandate was meant to be. Unfortunately it was only man made space junk.

          Commenter
          Tim
          Location
          Inner City
          Date and time
          July 14, 2014, 10:15AM
          • Oh if Morrison and Abbott could only have Australia like QLD....with no Upper House.....oh what joy! ...they could just do whatever they liked and if they abused their power.....tough bikkies! Phew!

            Commenter
            JT
            Date and time
            July 14, 2014, 10:15AM
            • Can Sarah Whyte give us the latest on the twelve women who attempted suicide? Apparently there is now more information on this story.

              Commenter
              enough is enough
              Date and time
              July 14, 2014, 10:15AM
              • So how will Clive sucker in the luvvies today? God bless Tony, you are the best journalist in Australia but I won't talk to your wife. Christine and Bill, thanks for those preferences that got me the MP gig.

                Commenter
                enough is enough
                Date and time
                July 14, 2014, 10:18AM
                • E=E, you're still trying to spin last week as a great success for the LNP; mate, they were a laughing stock.

                  Commenter
                  jofek
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 11:00AM
                • You have interesting blinkers - everyone else can see the luvvies are loving it while the mad right are in a tailspin.

                  Commenter
                  Enough of spin doctors lies
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 11:06AM
                • What's a luvvie?

                  Commenter
                  davemac
                  Location
                  Melbourne
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 11:52AM
              • 9:39am...is the editorial assuming that Muir doesn't know what he is doing? BTW, he was elected to Australian politics, Murdoch and Gina were not.

                Commenter
                JT
                Date and time
                July 14, 2014, 10:18AM
                • Yep he was elected with 0.05% of the primary vote and Lambie got all of 1500 primary votes.

                  Palmer got 26% of the primary vs 41% for the LNP candidate and Plamer wwas elected on ALP and Greens preferences.

                  That is a very small percentage of Australians supporting those 3.

                  Commenter
                  Andie
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 1:08PM
                • Legally andie...they got elected.....who cares by how much...legally they are where they got elected to......Gina and Rupert have NEVER been elected and have had a disproportionate say in Australian politics...with massive con the public campaigns.....enough.

                  Commenter
                  JT
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 1:47PM
                • Please substantiate your statements re Gina etc.Otherwise comment on something you can.

                  Commenter
                  Andie
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 2:49PM
                • andie...it is not you who controls what I do say or not say......I can voice any opinion without your approval...if I have an opinion about the legality of senators being elected to parliament I will voice it....they are legal senators......if I have an opinion about Murdoch's news ltd attacks on Rudd Gillard and they media kill offs I will....and if I have an opinion on Gina's bid to buy out Fairfax so that the 2 of them had media covered for Abbott....I will.

                  Commenter
                  JT
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 3:03PM
              • One must give Abbott credit for persistent lying, his $550 x 8.4 million households makes a total refund of $4.62 billion, because according to Abbott's spin: “The price of electricity went up and up and up” and “If the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow, the power doesn’t flow.”

                Honestly I suspect he couldn’t tell the truth even if Gabriel heard his confession at the Pearly Gates.

                Now the “Climate Institute chief executive reckons figures from the Energy Supply Association of Australia suggest carbon tax savings will only total between $80 and $200.”
                So, at best $200 x 8.4 million households for a total: $1.680 billion, or at worst $80 x 8.4 million households for $672 million. So he’s short changing householders by either $2.948 billion or $3.948 billion. On a per capita basis his savings are either 19 cents a day or 0.07 cents a day. And the Financial Review reports network companies are seeking further price rises. Who does this man think he is kidding with perpetual lies?

                Palmer promises all of the saving, which Abbott repeatedly claimed amounted to $550 per household?” Now Abbott wants Palmer to send the carbon price to toxic paradise for 0.07 cents per person. For all of this Abbott now claims he’s rescuing the country.

                If only someone would rescue us from his never ending porkies. I am sick to death of him and his pathetic government of perpetual deceits.

                What sane person would scrap a climate change fighting fund for absolutely nothing, it’s insanity driven by deliberate stupidity on the back of a farrago of lies.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                July 14, 2014, 10:23AM
                • 2012 Bill Shorten: I will not be offering a running commentary on Craig Thomson.
                  2013 Bill Shorten: I will not be offering a running commentary on ALP Leadership speculation.
                  2014 Bill Shorten: I will not be offering a running commentary on the CMFEU.

                  Commenter
                  enough is enough
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 10:26AM
                  • 2014 David D; *I will not be offering a commentary on Enough Is Enough*..

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach
                    Date and time
                    July 14, 2014, 10:53AM
                  • I think we can safely leave that job to Lib spin doctors.

                    Commenter
                    Tony
                    Date and time
                    July 14, 2014, 10:56AM
                  • 2014 Scott Morrison I will not be offering a running commentary on On-Water Operations, even though I was Mr Motormouth on the topic before the election providing all of the information to people smugglers that I am now deny to the Australian people.

                    Commenter
                    mitch of ACT
                    Date and time
                    July 14, 2014, 10:59AM
                  • You forgot this EIE. Shorten 2014: I will not be offering running commentary on an alternative policy while approval ratings are in my favour

                    Commenter
                    Piped Piper
                    Date and time
                    July 14, 2014, 11:47AM
                • Nothing of any consequence can be done about slavery until the UN is given substantial increased funding by the international community; and given powers to intercede in any country allowing slavery. Without these any discussion is a talkfest without teeth; but what is new in Canberra?

                  Commenter
                  Pen of hrba
                  Date and time
                  July 14, 2014, 10:29AM
                  • 9.55am:
                    NBTC...National Babble Talk Centre.
                    Brought to you by Admiral Bumbles and Major Major. Translators not admitted.

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach
                    Date and time
                    July 14, 2014, 10:33AM
                    • Well - what a surprise - the LNP not wanting a Bill that won't have a desired outcome for them up on the agenda early - one would think that they would be trying to encourage the Cross Bench and minor parties to view them kindly and this is not a good start to a conducive working relationship this week.

                      Commenter
                      Get on with it Boys
                      Date and time
                      July 14, 2014, 10:37AM
                      • Julie Bishop again shows why she is the best Foreign Minister ever. Tanya, here are you watching and learning?

                        Commenter
                        enough is enough
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 10:38AM
                        • Is this because she wears nice pearls ?

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 10:54AM
                        • Best spin ever!

                          Commenter
                          A for effort, z for content
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 10:54AM
                        • E=E, you must be joking. She just told China we're not afraid of them; that's the work of a master of the art.

                          Commenter
                          jofek
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 10:59AM
                        • @enough is enough. Even though I have great dislike for Rudd. I still think he was a better FM than Julie Bishop. Julie has had a few hiccups including her latest on China and the whole disputed land bulldust in East Jerusalem.

                          Commenter
                          Piped Piper
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:07AM
                        • Agreed eie.

                          jofek - would you prefer that Julie told the Chinese that we fear them ? Sounds like a brilliant plan.

                          Commenter
                          Hacka
                          Location
                          Canberra
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:20AM
                        • One thing Bishop has over Rudd is that she hasn't called them Rat F##kers yet!

                          Commenter
                          Brettie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:42AM
                        • Hacka, I would prefer she didn't run around making aggressive noises designed to irritate super powers. How about that for a brilliant idea?

                          Commenter
                          jofek
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:45AM
                        • really?, the only reason she is our foreign minister (and only women cabinet member) is because she was never likely to challenge the leader of the party... lightweight , you might say

                          Commenter
                          paff
                          Location
                          syd
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:51AM
                        • Yes, I'm sure Tanya is watching and learning - she'll have to do the job in a couple of years after all.

                          Commenter
                          davemac
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:00PM
                        • jofek on what basis do you make that statement that she is irritating the Chinese?

                          Clive Palmer is doing far more to "irritate" the Chinese then Julie Bishop is.

                          Commenter
                          Andie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 2:52PM
                      • The Rupert rags are using front page after front page, and miles of broadsheet space to basically accuse Palmer of seeking attention (among other things, of course). Like Abbott, they're letting it show how worried about him they really are.

                        Commenter
                        Conan the Librarian
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 10:43AM
                        • Murdoch’s Australian newspaper has claimed the Greens, “Should be destroyed at the ballot box.” The Greens are “Far left clowns.” His Telegraph claimed, “The Greens represent a view that is hostile to the nation's interests and to both major parties. A bipartisan solution is needed to fix a bipartisan problem.” Last year Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal claimed, “Climate-science equivalent of dentists practising cardiology.”

                          Murdoch has invested millions in Genie Oil and Gas (subsidiary of Genie Energy NYSE: GNE - Pioneering shale oil and gas extraction from kerogen-based oil shales.

                          Abbott’s Direct Action Policy pays companies agreed amount if they show it has reduced carbon production. So if a shale oil company agrees to reduce the accepted carbon footprint of producing oil by shale for say $5 per barrel then Direct Action pays $5 per barrel. Murdoch’s Genie technology can make that oil in Australia accessible: 17.5 billion X $5 per barrel?

                          So: “Kick this mob out.”

                          And, “Why not switch from useless renewable investments to real job creating infrastructure projects. Many great possibilities waiting” (R. Murdoch).

                          Then, “Climate change very slow but real. So far all cures worse than disease. Shale gas huge breakthrough for US. Half carbon of coal and oil” (R. Murdoch, July 2012).

                          Scientist advise, “Compared to coal, the footprint of shale gas is at least 20% greater and perhaps more than twice as great on the 20-year horizon and is comparable when compared over 100 years," (Robert Howarth, professor of ecology and environmental biology, Cornell University). Howarth’s study follows a US EPA report of the first significant update by the agency on natural gas emission factors since 1996, and concludes “that emissions – particularly for shale gas – are larger than previously believed.”

                          Do you now understand why Abbott wants the carbon tax repealed?

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 10:50AM
                        • We had 6 years of Tony Truthless posturing for attention and supported by Murdoch . . .

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:07AM
                        • @Pen. To use Murdoch's own words: "He's tilting at windmills."

                          Second, and most importantly, is that Murdoch is NOT Australian,
                          - he's American -
                          so he should have little impact (just like other foreign corporations) on our 'Australian' political policy.

                          Commenter
                          Jump
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:19AM
                        • "Australians for Honest Politics" is being reborn and just brushing the cobwebs off.
                          Hilarious Clive was still listed as a Life Member at the LNP talkfest in Brissy.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:46AM
                      • Looks like Leyonhjelm is going to be a bit if a stirrer.

                        The carbon tax remains the focus this week, but he's pushing a marriage equality bill - and wedging both the Coalition and Labor at the same time.

                        Is he trying to get a few negotiation items out in the public arena ?

                        Commenter
                        Hacka
                        Location
                        Canberra
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:01AM
                        • Good. Haven't had any worthy of "honourable" since Oakshott and Windsor.

                          Commenter
                          Tony
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:22AM
                        • Well - it may take a fewe days to redraft the Caron Tax Bill so I guess we son't want the Senate sitting around doing nothing. Only the LNP are hung up on the Carbon Tax repeal. The rest of the Senate know that there are many imporant issues to be debated

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:34AM
                        • Don't forget this guy's background. He was a member of the Shooter's Party. According to Wikipedia: "He later joined the Liberal Party, but resigned his membership in 1996 to protest the stricter firearm laws introduced by John Howard."
                          One day he will offer his Senate vote in exchange for looser gun control.

                          Commenter
                          stevek
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:42AM
                        • Unsure how it wedges Labor - they have a conscience vote on it, unlike the Libs for which it is a bridge too far and another area where they misread the public sentiment.

                          Can't see them going for it, based on George recently sinking the ACT law changes.

                          Commenter
                          davemac
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:46AM
                        • Leyonhjelm stands for individual freedoms & responsibilities as opposed to the collectivist view. If only there were more like him.

                          Commenter
                          Lewis
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:58AM
                        • Please don't mention those two "independents" and "honourable" in the same sentence. They betrayed their electorates and retired when they knew their reelection was in doubt like the utter cowards they are.

                          When people call them honourable, what they really mean is that they admire the way both of them hated Abbott.

                          Commenter
                          adrian
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:19PM
                        • Not true adrian, at least one of the Independents would have romped it in, but chose not to go up for election due to the toll it was taking on his extended family.

                          Commenter
                          Tone
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:16PM
                      • Tax relief due next July is worth $1.5 billion over four years for compensation for the carbon price on households amount to $375 million per year. Divided by 8.4 million households it equates to $44.64 per year per household at 0.85 cents per week, per day per household 12 cents, and divided by the average occupancy of 2.86 persons per household, then Abbott’s tax relief for his terrible carbon tax impost is worth a staggering 4 cents per person in each household per day.

                        One may suggest with a fair amount of wise consideration that we are in an age of extreme pedantic idiocy when 4 cents is considered the worthier choice than to fund the fight against climate change.

                        But wait the idiocy is even more extreme. The tax relief cannot be simply divided by the average number of persons per household; first it must be divided by the number of tax payers, which total about 13 million individuals, divided by the number of households equates to 1.54 taxpayers per household.

                        Therefore each household receives average tax relief of $28.84 per year, at 55 cents per week, that’s 7 cents per day; and 0.02 cents per day by dividing 2.86 persons per household. In terms of reality, Abbott’s relief amounts to absolutely nothing. Meanwhile the Financial Review reported last week that power network companies are seeking further price rises.

                        Can 0.02 cents per day prevent “Whyalla’s wipoutL? And “Power prices going up, up, and up? Well, that’s Abbott’s relief from that massive carbon price economy wrecker for you. With 0.02 cents the relief the pain at 70 cents per person would reap havoc compared to climate change.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:04AM
                        • seeing the carbon tax had nothing to do with emmisions reductions.... as the un stated carbon taxes are purely a redistribution of wealth programs..... the foul odour of socialism resonates around the un and its far left affiliated political parties....

                          Commenter
                          the science isnt settled
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:16AM
                        • The carbon tax led to emissions from electricity production being reduced as consumers cut their consumption to save on escalating power bills. The carbon tax also increased the installation of renewable energy facilities including innovative on-site production of electricity from waste gases. The carbon tax was effective. The arguments against it are not and have more to do with political bias than science and observable facts.

                          Commenter
                          mitch of ACT
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:31AM
                      • When are we going to hear from Abbott some spiel about "today being the most humble day of my life"
                        When the Carbon Tax is repealed ha ha....

                        Commenter
                        peter
                        Location
                        daintree
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:14AM
                        • Its all Tones has, or ever will have, its his only real policy, a dodgy one too, that will give the average punter nowhere near what Hunt says it will. Once its passed, Tones has nothing left to spin on, and prattle on about, just a dead cat budget that stinks to high heaven. LOL

                          Commenter
                          Piesnchess
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:25AM
                        • Love it! Thanks.

                          Commenter
                          Tony
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:27AM
                        • Humble - is there a new definition for that word ??

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:37AM
                      • Another week of drama, intrigue and tantrums on the way .Best show in town at the moment ..

                        Commenter
                        Bill Grieve
                        Location
                        Brisbane
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:24AM
                        • And all over destroying an effective program for savings of less than 20c a day for each member of an average family of 4!

                          Commenter
                          Rod H
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:03PM
                      • We march to test the limit of electoral resilience on repealing the carbon tax but our memory is fleeting and the tune of crossbench politics march to the beat of Abbott’s band of disorder and chaos. History will not be very kind to Abbott and his ‘climate change is scrap’ slogan will reverberate through time as the ultimate exercise of dentopedalogy that has ever evolved in Meganesia.

                        Commenter
                        Postgirl
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:25AM
                        • Que? Not sure what you said but I'm sure I agree.

                          Commenter
                          Tony
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:40AM
                        • Tony - basically foot in mouth in Oz.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:49PM
                      • does anybody really care about the carbon tax? Does anybody really believe that business will cut the prices they put on for the carbon tax? It sad that the LNP are so excited about scrapping the carbon tax like they are repealing an act like slavery.

                        Commenter
                        kellybellyfonte
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:26AM
                        • Apparently 53% of the voters do. So yes, people do care.

                          Commenter
                          Sarah of Carnegie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:35AM
                        • Only promise they get to keep. No wonder they're so excited, poor things.

                          Commenter
                          Tony
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:38AM
                        • 53% of the voters would probably say to get rid of *any* tax that affects them.

                          Commenter
                          Tone
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:24PM
                        • @ Sarah.

                          Please update your comment to read.

                          "53% of 1200 landline owners were called and told "PUP blocked the passing of the carbon tax repeal in the Senate. Do you think they should A. repeal it, B. delay it."

                          Ony an idiot would claim, with it's

                          A ridiculously pathetic leading question, B its Newspoll
                          C the minscule & misrepresentative size of the sample polled.

                          that this is any way relevant to what the general public really thinks.

                          Commenter
                          Sambo
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 3:42PM
                        • Sambo you mean like asking voters if they think the budget is 'fair'?

                          Commenter
                          adrian
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 5:53PM
                      • Clive Palmer needs to stay out of Senate business. He is not a Senator. He barely got into the lower house by 57 votes.

                        Commenter
                        Sarah of Carnegie
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:28AM
                        • yeah right....and Tony Abbott has no influence over his Senators....pot calling kettle black LOL

                          Commenter
                          JT
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:33AM
                        • Same with Pyne & Hunt....

                          Commenter
                          RobE
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:33AM
                        • Tony Abbott only got to be leader of the then opposition by 1 vote and there is confusion over that vote.

                          Commenter
                          mitch of ACT
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:34AM
                        • Mumbles got to be Leader of the Grabbalition by one vote.....

                          Commenter
                          David D
                          Location
                          Ettalong Beach
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:34AM
                        • Hmm - well that comment applies to Abbott, Hunt etc too then

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:35AM
                        • ah, you neocons hate democracy don't you....if you only had control of the senate you would be a dictatorship...do what you like......ah thank the universe for democracy!

                          Commenter
                          JT
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:37AM
                        • Stop sooking. Its called democracy.

                          Commenter
                          billsan
                          Location
                          Neverland
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:42AM
                        • But it's Clive's party so he is entitled to advise his Senators. He isn't voting in the Senate and I'm sure he's aware of the rules as one of his advisers knows the ropes really well.

                          Commenter
                          stevek
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:47AM
                        • You tell him Sarah! I can see the headlines now: SARAH OF CARNEGIE PUTS CLIVE PALMER IN HIS PLACE.

                          I have this image of Clive now running whimpering back into his kennel at the NPC.

                          Commenter
                          Whyalla Wipeout
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:52AM
                        • Looks like Clive suddenly has a lot of friends on the left. They'll get back to attacking him later when "democracy" passes the carbon tax repeal.

                          Commenter
                          adrian
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:26PM
                        • I didn't realise your level of legitimacy depends on how many votes you win by? Abbott got the leadership by one vote! Say no more. And I'm guessing Peter Slipper would have loved to have changed his once his old friend showed his true colours.

                          Commenter
                          Dr Bombay
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:20PM
                        • Dave old chap for the millionth time the last 2 times Abbott stood for leader of the party he won with 100% of the vote.

                          Meanwhile over in the ALP little Billy only received support form 40% of ALP members and Albo 60% but Little Billys mates in the Caucus no doubt at the behest of his mates in the CFMEU said Little Billy had to win and poor of Albo was left on the scrap heap.

                          Democracy in action in the ALP caucus "mates" over the people

                          Commenter
                          Andie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:24PM
                      • All polls show the LNP have lost all credibility/ political capital. Abbotts imaginary mandate is gone.

                        Abbott dodged -" Mr Abbott don't you think its time to get in touch with Ms Julia Gillard to seek advice on how to negotiate."

                        Bravo. Bullyboy Abbott went in so hard on our exceptional Ms Gillard along with his shock jocks & News Ltd screaming many falsehoods to railroad Australians to attack Ms Gillard because she was an intelligent, smart progressive and effective female Prime Minister. A huge loss to our political landscape. Pure quality.

                        On the new senate; Barnaby arrogantly says ' Don't these people realise they're messing with our country.'Well, its their country too and you're messing with my beautiful country and millions of Australians don't like any party gaining power through mendacity, cunning and thuggery.

                        Behind closed doors; senators are being bludgeoned by divisive Abbott demanding votes for his ill-formed ideology to dismantle excellent social & economic reforms for all Australians.
                        .
                        On a dumber note Abbott blames Bill Shorten. Excuse me, why would Shorten vote against Labors successfully developed & implemented carbon policy. Its effective, working and the envy of many Western countries who want to follow suit.

                        Sadly, thus far self-interested Abbotts mob haven't acted in Australias 'national interest'.
                        Whether the new senators arrived by accident or not, I'd rather give my tax to Ricky Muirs family of 7 than the likes of shifty Sinodinos.

                        With knowledge I voted for and strongly believe in a carbon price moving to an ETS because its good for business, good for employment, good for the environment and good for the future of Australians.

                        LNPs punitive budget is pernicious, 'stop the boats' claim is false/immoral/cruel and vindictively destroying an effective climate change policy for political ideology verges on criminal.

                        Commenter
                        punch
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:31AM
                        • Not very original - straight from the Labor spin doctors' handbook! Wears a bit thin after a while.

                          Commenter
                          Fed up with spin!
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:23PM
                        • Even 33% of ALP voters want the Carbon Tax gone today with 53% overall.

                          How is the ALP travelling in NSW???

                          Commenter
                          Andie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:16PM
                        • @andie - I think the real issue is that the majority still want real action on climate change even thought they may not agree that the CT is the best way to do it. Repealing the tax shouldn't include ripping out everything else related to renewable energy and good scientific advice on CC - that's not what the libs have their 'mandate' to do.

                          And is that the best you've got...look at the NSW polls? Checked out some of the other states recently?

                          Commenter
                          davemac
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 1:30PM
                        • Pep I have and Palmer is doing his arch enemy Campbell Newman a big favour in QLD and splitting the Anti-Newman vote such that Newman will be re-elected.

                          Commenter
                          Andie
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 2:55PM
                      • Ironic that climate change is set to take down yet another government:

                        1. Rudd gets cold feet and doesn't pull the DD trigger, opening the door to Abbott and Minchin to bring on the scare campaign. Loses momentum and Labor unwisely cuts him down.

                        2. Ruthlessly negative Abbott brings down Gillard on a selective quoted 'lie' that completely ignored changed circumstances. Assisted by Labor power struggles and minority govt issues.

                        And now:

                        3. Abbott completely misreads the public cycle back to responsible action on climate change. His denier credentials confirmed by not only seeking to repeal the CT, but to then try to wind back everything related to clean energy or scientific advice, appointing skeptical 'mates' to perform scam reviews and give recommendations. Photo of Liberals patting each other on the back in absolute glee will come back to haunt them. Bad, bad, bad, mistake TA.

                        What goes around, come around.

                        Commenter
                        davemac
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:36AM
                        • He was successful in opposing, so successful that even when Gillard was doing well as PM passing bills under the Senate of her minority government, Abbott managed to unhinge Mr M Turnbull from his leadership role on the climate change issue. So this carbon tax agenda is Abbott’s personal pilgrimage to Senate mecca but with PUP comprehensive amendments that the ‘repeal’ is really just a ‘rebranding’.

                          Commenter
                          Postgirl
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:58AM
                        • I think Labor MPs patting each other on the back when the carbon tax was established has come back to haunt them. Rudd even gave Gillard the kiss of death.

                          Commenter
                          adrian
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:14PM
                        • CC should never have become politicised. There are National issues that should never be the fodder for political opportunists or used for their personal expediency.
                          CC affects every single one of us and every single living entity, that the issue has devolved into such a debate and created so much division is unconscionable.
                          Remember what Howard's and Turnbull approach was in addressing it.
                          Read Hunt's thesis.
                          It would never have got to this if it was not for the unelected power-brokers and their vested interests.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 12:17PM
                      • The more I hear from David Leyonhjelm the more I like & respect the senator who truly stands for smaller government as opposed to the pretence we get from the statists in the Liberal Party. I find it refreshing to hear a senator state that government has no business telling people whom they can or cannot marry.

                        Commenter
                        Lewis
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        July 14, 2014, 11:37AM
                          • Smaller Government is definately NOT a Labor policy.

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 11:52AM
                          • Definitely not a Labor policy, Sarah, but they don't pretend otherwise. The Libs always say they are the pary of smaller government yet clearly that is not the case. Direct Action or PPL anyone?

                            Commenter
                            Lewis
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:01PM
                          • Lewis - I am not surprised you like Leyonhjelm. Your views and his do seem to coincide.

                            Sarah. It is quality, not quantity. Your mob is obsessed with the size of Government. That is nowhere near as important as the quality of the government. And the quality of the government elected in September is utter crap. Fortunately the electorate will address the problem at the next opportunity to reduce it to a point where it can no longer do harm - on the Opposition benches.

                            Commenter
                            Whyalla Wipeout
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:09PM
                          • The Liberals are the party of bigger PR departments. $43 million dollars and they STILL can't make Tony look good.

                            Commenter
                            Tone
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:22PM
                        • Once the carbon tax is gone, how much will we be paying for a leg of lamb ?

                          Will it be half price ?

                          Commenter
                          Rod
                          Location
                          the Coast
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:41AM
                          • Yes Rod, rivers of gold will flow the moment the repeal goes through. The sun will come out and shine on all. The birds will sing and we will fall at the feet of our great leader.

                            Commenter
                            davemac
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 11:48AM
                          • Will Whyalla be safe then ?

                            Commenter
                            Chuck this mob out
                            Location
                            Illawarra
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:02PM
                          • Cheaper still Rob.
                            "Duffing" will become a national hobby, stock theft already a much underreported crime, yet rife in rural Oz.
                            The under 30's will be the new generation of swaggies as this regime delivers to the already marginalised.
                            "Waltzing Matilda".

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:07PM
                        • "But we have an amuse-bouche from Jane Prentice". - her private members bill is a lot more than a mouthful and has a bitterness to it that no condiment will be able to balance.

                          Commenter
                          RobE
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 14, 2014, 11:42AM
                          • 11.32am Oh look !! my Federal Member Jane Prentice has got a word in , good to see she's earning her pay ..

                            Commenter
                            The Bill
                            Location
                            Ryan
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 11:44AM
                            • Couldn't she find something more useful to do with her (and the Parliament's) time?

                              Commenter
                              jofek
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 11:47AM
                            • If she was earning her pay, she would be looking after her electorate; not engaging in yet another stupid stunt on behalf of Toxic Tony.

                              Commenter
                              Whyalla Wipeout
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 11:53AM
                            • Substitute 'budget' for 'carbon tax' in Jane P's dixer motion.

                              Commenter
                              davemac
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 11:54AM
                            • if she was earning her pay she would also mention by how much carbon emissions have fallen since the intro of the carbon price....ie how successful it has been.

                              Commenter
                              JT
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 11:58AM
                            • Nothing to say on the merits of the points she raised then?

                              Commenter
                              adrian
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:09PM
                            • @adrian - Agree that the CT added to power prices, but that was the point. The rest is just unsubstantiated rubbish. I run a small business, had no effect on us. Think you'll find the budget will be causing more probs to small business than the CT, with loss of consumer confidence. Way to go Smokin Joe.

                              Commenter
                              davemac
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:24PM
                            • there are none adrian.....all of those points raised are mere generalisations and any job losses and electricity bill rises can be attributed to other factors not the carbon price. All these points are true LNP propaganda.

                              Commenter
                              JT
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:32PM
                            • ww, If Clive Palmer was earning his pay, he would be looking after he electorate; not engaging in yet another stupid stunt on his own behalf.

                              Palmers electorate is on the Sunshine coast and he lives on the Gold Coast; he spent last weekend in NZ.; when was he last in his electorate looking after his voters ?.

                              .

                              Commenter
                              Andie
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 1:13PM
                            • glad that Clive has ruffled your neocon feather andie.......we've got 6 more years to enjoy PUP and the Senate. Us lefties have always wanted an ETS and Clive may just get it for us.

                              Commenter
                              JT
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 1:30PM
                            • JT Palmer has not "ruffled" my feathers.

                              I have been commenting on what a vindictive man Palmer was and how he would destroy the Australian economy if put in a position of power.

                              It has just taken a few others perceptive people quite a while to agree with me. but the SMH and ABC are now getting their teeth into the Citic court cases and the AFR today has a piece on how Palmer runs his businesses.

                              But if you Abbott haters want to continue to see him as the best thing since sliced bread please continue.

                              I will continue to comment as I have since Palmer spat the dummy in QLD and set out on his campaign of destruction.

                              Commenter
                              Andie
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 3:02PM
                          • Abbott Govt achievements in first 7 months passed 7 bills through parliament.

                            Gillard Govt passed 127 in first 7 months

                            Go Tony. Almost in double figures.

                            Commenter
                            GOV
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:04PM
                            • Care to name the 127 bills passed.

                              Commenter
                              Sarah of Carnegie
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:08PM
                            • Give him a break. he only has ten fingers.

                              Commenter
                              David D
                              Location
                              Ettaliong Beach
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:09PM
                            • Take off the dancing shoes and check Hansard Sarah

                              Commenter
                              Get on with it Boys
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:12PM
                            • Considering JG & the ALP legislated nothing noteworthy until the end of the tenure, I'd say the ledger would be even on substance at this stage if you are looking legislation wise.

                              Commenter
                              Indeed
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:12PM
                            • 127 Bills like "Tim Tams instead of Monte Carlos"....

                              Hard to get bills passed when the Greens and Labor controlled the senate and spent their whole time saying "No", regardless of wether or not the bills were good. Purely personal from them.

                              Commenter
                              Browns
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:18PM
                            • Were those Bills tax the people x 127? Or give Australia's money away x 127? Or pay off everyone you can think of x 127 just so you can stay PM?

                              Commenter
                              Sharron
                              Location
                              Canberra
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:20PM
                            • For Labor supporters, good government means passing as much legislation as possible. Who cares if it's any good? Just pass as much as possible as quickly as possible.

                              Commenter
                              adrian
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:22PM
                            • Best we don't have to endure too many of their "achievements".

                              Commenter
                              A country gal
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:25PM
                            • If it was that many it would mainly due to the fact the cooperative Abbott opposition sided with the ALP government.

                              Here we have the ALp opposition being completely NONcooperative with the Abbott government.

                              What hypocrisy from Little Billy NO NO NO. NO

                              Commenter
                              Andie
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 1:03PM
                            • I think the problem is that Tony (or the IPA) could only think of 7 things to do, or maybe 127 things to undo. The trouble with Tony is that he is not really interested in governing, he would prefer to offload everything he doesn't care about like health and education to the states or private interests so he can prance about War Memorials and with overseas dignitaries. Basically Tony is a lazy sod who can barely keep on top this mornings spin talk points yet alone move the country forward.

                              Commenter
                              GOV
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                          • @12.06 was STEAMLINE intentional…..how very appropriate for this pack of wallies….with apologies to Wally

                            Commenter
                            David Stephens
                            Location
                            Dromana
                            Date and time
                            July 14, 2014, 12:10PM
                            • Good luck Pyne - the LNP might like that but the Senate won't so back to the drawing board . . . . gee these guys are slow learners.

                              Commenter
                              Get on with it Boys
                              Date and time
                              July 14, 2014, 12:11PM
                              • Repeal the carbon tax, senators meanwhile, “Climate scientists are urging Australian authorities - and residents - to prepare for rising sea levels that could put about $300 billion worth of commercial property, infrastructure and homes at risk.

                                More than three-quarters of Australians live near the ocean, a spokesman from the National Sea Change Taskforce says sea-level rises will challenge many Australians' beachfront lifestyles.

                                Rising sea levels are a direct result of melting glaciers, and according to some of the most recent peer-reviewed reports, the melt is accelerating.

                                A CSIRO's atmospheric research scientist and a lead author on sea-level rise for the UN's chief science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claims:

                                A large section of the Great West Antarctica ice sheet has begun to fail its continued melting now appears to be unstoppable, two groups of scientists reported last Monday. If the findings hold up, they suggest that the melting could destabilise neighbouring parts of the ice sheet and a rise in sea level of 2 metres or more.

                                Global warming caused by the human-driven release of greenhouse gases has helped to destabilize the ice sheet.

                                We have a Coalition in the Senate more concerned with a pittance of spending than Australia’s future sustainability.

                                Commenter
                                Pen of hrba
                                Date and time
                                July 14, 2014, 12:15PM
                                • Pen,

                                  So really the tax was the only thing stopping the water rising over the last few years?

                                  Commenter
                                  Browns
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:20PM
                                • Pshh, stop bringing 'evidence' and 'research' and 'expert analysis' into this Pen. While there remains the tiniest shred of doubt for the denialists to cling to it's full steam (or coal) ahead! What could possibly go wrong?

                                  Commenter
                                  JLD
                                  Location
                                  Melb
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:29PM
                                • It’s because nothing Australia does has any effect on sea level rises. It does have effects on Australia’s competitiveness and Electricity prices. When you only have 2% of emissions and China has 25% what Australia does again doesn’t matter. Buying European permits that have already been oversubscribed because of the Global recession does nothing either.

                                  Commenter
                                  Brettie
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:45PM
                              • Albo has obviously completely forgotten about the Greens and "Independents" wagging the Labor dog.

                                Commenter
                                adrian
                                Date and time
                                July 14, 2014, 12:29PM
                                • Angelina Jolie attends Conference of Parties (COP) climate change conference, along with many other celebrities including Al Gore. Perhaps Palmer could jet her over from Nauru to talk some sense into the senate.

                                  Commenter
                                  Pen of hrba
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:33PM
                                  • She should tell the people of Nauru that thanks to Tony Abbott and the repeal of the CT their island will be wiped out at the next King Tide or sometime down the track .

                                    Commenter
                                    The Bill
                                    Location
                                    Brisbane
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                                • Oh look Pyne telling Bronny how to do her job again

                                  Commenter
                                  The Bill
                                  Location
                                  Brisbane
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:34PM
                                  • No surprises there - if they put a proper effort into drafting legislation then they wouldn't have to run and hide

                                    Commenter
                                    Get on with it Boys
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 12:46PM
                                  • Labor supporters hate powerful women.

                                    Commenter
                                    adrian
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 12:53PM
                                  • @Adrian no it's the weak and light weight ones like the two Bishops we don't like.

                                    Commenter
                                    Amro
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:07PM
                                  • How many Liberal
                                    Prime Ministers have been female?

                                    Commenter
                                    Happy Helmet
                                    Location
                                    Cloud 9
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:14PM
                                  • How many women have been Labor leaders in state and federal parliament? Five on my count. And have any women had any leadership role in the Liberal party? Zero. And your point was?

                                    Commenter
                                    Dr Bombay
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:16PM
                                  • @Adrian. There are a lot of partisan snipes but your comment has got to take a least a large slice of the unreality cake! Tony Abbott has Julie Token in his cabinet. Labor actually had a female PM. But spin on, good see at least an attempt to justify the $4.3M.

                                    Commenter
                                    Spin inGlorious Spin
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:22PM
                                  • I found it was a delicious irony that John Howard was kicked out of his seat by a woman, and a first-timer at that. Perhaps history will repeat.

                                    Commenter
                                    mitch of ACT
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:25PM
                                  • "Labor actually had a female PM"

                                    and we saw how bad she was, even her own party didn't want her.

                                    Commenter
                                    adrian
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:56PM
                                  • Yes, it seems that Pontius Pyne is also the "official" advisor to the Speaker. He tells her how many Laborites to toss out each day and then washes his hands. The IPA apparently have set a fixed amount to be tossed each day and if their appointed Bishop fails to comply (not that she ever would) a quick phone call from Supreme Leader Rupert will do the job. Australia..run by proxy from the US....no wonder things aren't so cheery! The photos of the moon at 9:01 and 9:02 are the most exciting pics on the page. Perhaps we should just forget politics entirely and focus on the moon? After all, the LNP still believe that it's made of cheese.

                                    Commenter
                                    PaxUs
                                    Location
                                    Austerelia
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 2:13PM
                                • Disclaimer Notice: I, postgirl, in exercising my right under the Constitution cannot be held liable and responsible for the repeal of carbon tax which will result in the gradual and unprecedented destruction of our global environment and to the best of my knowledge, this Senate is incapable of making competent decisions that is not sacrilegious to our democratic ideals.

                                  Commenter
                                  Postgirl
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:40PM
                                  • It's OK postgirl, the Libs plan will be to blame it on Labor. Remember in the world of the Lib, black really is white if the spin doctors tell you it is.

                                    Commenter
                                    davemac
                                    Location
                                    Melbourne
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:15PM
                                • Hunt is wrong about the pensioners we've lived without heating before, just put some more clothes on people, on a side the hairdresser told me this morning prices won't be coming down as other things have gone up!!! I'm more worried about summer it's not looking good with all this rain down South which will turn into dry grass and we all know what happens then.

                                  Commenter
                                  Amro
                                  Date and time
                                  July 14, 2014, 12:47PM
                                  • 12:45pm "a government which would take real measures to reduce emissions without a carbon tax," Ok Greg what is the coalitions plan and please don't try and attempt to roll out your Non Action plan.

                                    Commenter
                                    Get Real
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 12:50PM
                                    • Real measures like giving the big polluters billions of dollars if they promise not to pollute..yeah that'll work ahahaha

                                      Commenter
                                      Steeden
                                      Location
                                      Ballina
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 12:58PM
                                    • The big polluters, in order to continue receiving their payments under Direct Action not to pollute, will continue to pollute, even if they have to find new ways to do it. That's human nature and good business.

                                      Commenter
                                      mitch of ACT
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                                  • For the first time, researchers have counted all the world’s Adélie penguins—a sprightly seabird considered a bellwether of climate change—and discovered that millions of them are thriving in and around Antarctica.

                                    Rather than declining as feared due to warming temperatures that altered their habitats in some areas, the Adélie population generally is on the rise
                                    ..

                                    “What we found surprised everyone,” said ecologist Heather Lynch at Stony Brook University in Stony Brook, N.Y., who led the penguin census. “We found a 53% increase in abundance globally.”

                                    Counting the birds by satellite, Dr. Lynch and imaging specialist Michelle LaRue at the University of Minnesota found that the Adélie penguin population now numbers 3.79 million breeding pairs—about 1.1 million more pairs than 20 years ago. In all, they identified 251 penguin colonies and surveyed 41 of them for the first time, including 17 apparently new colonies.

                                    The researchers found eight abandoned penguin colonies on the Antarctic Peninsula, where regional temperatures have been rising faster in recent decades than across the continent as a whole.

                                    That loss, however, was offset by new colonies that sprouted up elsewhere in Antarctica and by growth in previously known colonies since the last general penguin census was carried out in 1993, the scientists said.
                                    ...
                                    Their bird count, published online this week by the American Ornithologists’ Union, mirrors a satellite survey of Emperor penguins conducted in 2012 by geographers at the British Antarctic Survey who discovered that the isolated icebound continent was home to twice as many Emperor penguins as scientists had thought.

                                    Wildlife biologists pay close attention to Adélie penguins because their well-being is tied to annual sea ice conditions and temperature trends. They nest in groups on exposed rock but have to walk to the ice edge to feed in open water.

                                    Commenter
                                    Cut and paste like HRBA
                                    Location
                                    Online
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 12:52PM
                                    • Adelie penguins may be doing well despite climate change but all that extra heat during an Australian heatwave is killing off our old people like never before. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-23/heatwave-death-toll-expected-to-top-almost-400/5214496

                                      Commenter
                                      mitch of ACT
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:04PM
                                    • So the numbers have increased from the nilth time count.

                                      Commenter
                                      Mathemetician
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:04PM
                                    • As you are well aware there is a huge effort around the globe to counter the alleged impact of mankind on the world's climate. If in fact mankind will cause the seas to rise appreciably by causing CO2 induced global warming then certainly let's do something about it. But, what if global warming is not what they say it is? What if the world's temperature is headed in the opposite direction? Global temperatures increased for twenty years from the late 1970s to the late 1990s but have either stopped warming or have begun to cool in the last seventeen years. The global warming and subsequent cooling were even predictable due to hundreds of years of historical trends and observation of the impact of variations in solar activity and ocean cycles on global temperatures.

                                      Did you know that in the past the Roman Period and Medieval Period were both several degrees warmer than today's temperature. The world then cooled at least four degrees from approx. 1450 to 1850. This period was called the Little Ice Age (a period of glacial advance, the same glaciers that have been in retreat until recently). These temperature variations were not caused by man. They were caused entirely by natural forces.

                                      Commenter
                                      pen style cut and paste
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:12PM
                                    • So..you believe scientists who give you any kind of comfort that CC isn't real, and ignore the ones that don't - is that your point?

                                      Commenter
                                      davemac
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:13PM
                                    • When adding the sea ice volumes at both poles there is about the same ice as 30 years ago link, link. The global sea ice in January 2014 was 17,932,000 km², which is the highest ever recorded during January in the satellite era. Antarctica has 90% of the world's ice and had the most sea ice ever recorded in Septermber 2013. link View today's Antarctic sea ice extent compared to the 1979-2007 average (National Snow and Ice Data Center) link link A strong storm in the Arctic during the late Summer of 2012 caused the Arctic ice area to shrink to a record low yet the ice is now expanding at a fast rate. The Berring Sea off Alaska in 2012 had the most ice area ever recorded. link The Antarctic sea ice extent in September 2009 is also growing and is 1 million square kilometers more than the previous year. In September 2013 Antarctica broke another record and had the largest sea ice extent ever recorded link. View today's Arctic sea ice extent, NSIDC link DMI link

                                      View todays Antarctic sea ice extent Univ. Illinois Cyrosphere link

                                      See current ice conditions in the Northern Hemisphere link and the Southern Hemisphere link Water temperature and currents and not air temperature is the largest driver of Arctic ice extent,

                                      Commenter
                                      pen style cut and paste
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                                    • Having recently communed with the Adelies in Antarctica, they are a beautiful penguins and they are in abundance. Similarly the chin straps and the Kings on South Georgia.

                                      The expanded ice around Antarctica meant we could not enter the Weddell sea. We were there in early December but later it was reported that none of the ships had entered the Weddell Sea as it remained frozen for the whole summer season..

                                      Commenter
                                      Andie
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:33PM
                                  • So with this repeal we will be better of by 68 cents a day on our power bills. But companies like Woolies, Coles and Qantas won't be changing their prices. Well I'll be break out the champagne now I know why we voted this lot and I must say those 37 spin doctors sure do earn my hard earned money.

                                    Commenter
                                    Get Real
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 12:59PM
                                    • Twould be worth paying 68c a day to ensure a bright future for our kids, wouldn't it???

                                      I am constantly amazed by the short termism of the talk around this issue. We can't take action on climate without some cost. Is 68c a day really too much for us to bear, for God's sake we are one of the richest nations on Earth.

                                      The truth of the issue, is that we have been hoodwinked by propaganda, and lead to feel that this is "a great big new tax" when in fact it is our children's future. Surely we can be a bit smarter than that. The propaganda is there to support a few very wealthy people who want to make even more money from ffs before they die.

                                      Well I will tell you, that they could make heaps more from renewables, but let's not tell them that, let's go do it ourselves!!

                                      Commenter
                                      SarWen
                                      Location
                                      Melbourne
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:36PM
                                  • It is very sad this government seems to welded to the fossil fuel industry - I suppose they have to pay back those who helped put them into power and also do Rupert's bidding - he is another climate denier who has CSG investments in USA. We will become pariahs of the world with other countries all moving towards renewables and ETS's. We will also miss out on all the investments and jobs that could be generated from renewables as well as suffer from the worst effects of ACC. Abbott and his cabal will go down in history as the most backward and unethical Prime Minister and government ever foisted upon this wonderful country.

                                    Commenter
                                    Marg1
                                    Location
                                    Orange
                                    Date and time
                                    July 14, 2014, 1:00PM
                                    • Hunt says that he will move amendments during the "consideration in detail" stage of the debate to "supplement" the consumer watchdog's ability to ensure that consumers benefit from the repeal of the carbon tax.

                                      What on earth does all that really mean - and what "debate" ?? Or is Pyne going to allow a debate on this ??

                                      Commenter
                                      Really ?
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:02PM
                                      • Well that sounds like shifty Liberal speak, does it not?

                                        Commenter
                                        Tone
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                                    • Shorten - the 54% that did not vote LNP are ready to step up - but probably won't get a chance before Sept 2016

                                      Commenter
                                      Really ?
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:04PM
                                      • More than the 54% by now I would think!

                                        Commenter
                                        SarWen
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:31PM
                                    • "We are not sceptics. We believe in science,"

                                      Is that an oxymoron?

                                      Commenter
                                      Lewis
                                      Location
                                      Sydney
                                      Date and time
                                      July 14, 2014, 1:08PM
                                      • Anyone seen Joe?

                                        Commenter
                                        A country gal
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:10PM
                                        • He is skulking up the back

                                          Commenter
                                          Where's Wally ?
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:21PM
                                        • Where is Bob?

                                          Commenter
                                          Daniel
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:33PM
                                        • Where's Wally, and in a jumper. Only sensible thing I've seen him do. Remember the confected outrage when Conroy wore one.
                                          Daniel, he's still busy doing really good things. But yeh, I miss him. Do have my autographed piece of his amazing Photography to admire every day though.

                                          Commenter
                                          A country gal
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:40PM
                                        • Oh, and I obviously meant Brown, not Katter.

                                          Commenter
                                          A country gal
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:45PM
                                      • The Libs claim life is all about "lifters" not "leaners", but demand the rest of the world carries us when it comes to Climate Change mitigation.

                                        Commenter
                                        Rod H
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:17PM
                                        • This could be the comment of the day Rod!

                                          Commenter
                                          Passionfruit
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:34PM
                                        • They want to be "lifted" on someone else's shoulders . . . that is what the Top End of Town do

                                          Commenter
                                          Blue Tie Shonks
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:51PM
                                        • Yet Australia was prepared to do its part, no matter how small its contribution, in the global effort to reduce ozone-depleting gasses. That was based on science, yet there were opinions for and against man's responsibility. How things change when the gov't of the day falls into the hands of vested interests, Murdoch, the miners & the coal industry and can see it can exploit the whole affair for political gain rather than social gain.

                                          Commenter
                                          mitch of ACT
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 2:01PM
                                        • The Libs seem oblivious to the irony of that and so many other slogans and pronouncements. To wit:
                                          No surprises.
                                          Will govern for all.
                                          No cuts to ... no new taxes .... no changes to...
                                          No worker will be worse off .....
                                          Wrecking ball.
                                          Medicare's best friend.....
                                          Transparent.
                                          Adult.
                                          No excuses.
                                          Unity ticket.
                                          A govt that says what it means and does what it says.
                                          So on and so on

                                          Commenter
                                          Lyn
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 2:41PM
                                      • Where is the LNP including Bronwyn Bishop during Bill Shorten's well considered, expressed and believable reply on climate change; out to lunch or still working on back room deals?
                                        This is a non- working H of R.
                                        Australia is watching.

                                        Commenter
                                        Koel
                                        Location
                                        Qld
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:23PM
                                        • They won't be there to hear what we really think of them - and yes I am sure they were pork barrelling somewhere away from the cameras

                                          Commenter
                                          Sir Pork Barrell
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:28PM
                                        • More likely out in the 1950's back paddock chasing flies

                                          Commenter
                                          Really ?
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:29PM
                                        • @Koel They knew that Bill would deliver a powerful speech showing them up for the deceivers and hypocrites that they are. They couldn't stand to be there to listen to the truth about their own perfidity.

                                          Commenter
                                          EM
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:30PM
                                        • The beehive needs urgent scaffolding repairs.

                                          Commenter
                                          Tony
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:51PM
                                      • So what has changed? CO2 concentrations continue to increase yet temperatures have been falling since 2002? Polar ice is growing. Storm intensity is in decline. One reason may be that solar activity is at the lowest level in almost a Century. link link link See what the sun looks like with and without sunspots link In the past periods with fewer sunspots and lower solar activity were ones with cooler temperatures. It is believed by some scientists that lower solar activity increases cloud formation and this has a cooling effect. If the past is a predictor of the future, these changes in solar activity will cause a 30 year period of cooling temperatures on earth and in fact it appears that this has already begun. See solar activity charts here link See the BBC report, Is our Sun falling silent. link

                                        See the combined impact of ocean and solar cycles on global temperatures link

                                        NASA recently announced that due to the expected multi decade continuation of low solar activity that global temperatures should continue to cool. How much will rising CO2 levels offset this? If the past is a predictor of the future, not much.

                                        Commenter
                                        pen style cut and paste
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:28PM
                                        • If you are going to cut and paste rubbish at least include a reference to it. You are spouting false information that the VAST majority of the scientific community do not agree with. But that's how deniers roll, isn't it?

                                          Commenter
                                          davemac
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:33PM
                                        • And your explanation for the heatwaves in Australia that continue to set new records is?

                                          Commenter
                                          mitch of ACT
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:34PM
                                      • This Government is a national disgrace!

                                        Commenter
                                        Daniel
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        July 14, 2014, 1:29PM
                                          • I love this government!

                                            Commenter
                                            Sharron
                                            Location
                                            Canberra
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:32PM
                                          • I love lamp.

                                            Commenter
                                            davemac
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:39PM
                                          • @Sharron, of course you do but then there's no accounting for taste. Pretty soon they are going to need all of the fans that they can get.

                                            Commenter
                                            mitch of ACT
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:40PM
                                          • I'll go a step further Daniel and say "Global disgrace".

                                            Commenter
                                            A country gal
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:41PM
                                          • There is no accounting for taste.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pluto
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:43PM
                                          • @Sharron. I mean there is no accounting for taste, Sharron!

                                            Commenter
                                            Pluto
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:50PM
                                          • @Sharron. No? Truly, you're just saying that?

                                            Commenter
                                            What a surprise - $4.3 M buys 'loyalty'
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:50PM
                                          • Sharron "I love this government" - 4.3M of your taxes hard at work. I want my money back

                                            Commenter
                                            RobE
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:51PM
                                        • Love the evil look Adam Bandt is giving Clive.

                                          Commenter
                                          Daniel
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          July 14, 2014, 1:31PM
                                          • 1.17 At least the cross bench take their elected responsibilities seriously. Not fooling around like it's a cat and mouse game. Given the poor polling in the seat of Sturt, Time for another reputable and intelligent Independent to put their hand up. They will be in with a good chance.
                                            The Honourable Member for Sturt should be considering his future. Mr Christopher Maurice Pyne's days are numbered.

                                            Commenter
                                            A country gal
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:34PM
                                            • @A country gal:
                                              Who said there were no positives in this budget. If Christopher Pyne gets the big heave-ho at the next election the higher cost of university education may almost be worth it.

                                              Commenter
                                              JohnC
                                              Location
                                              Gosford NSW
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:49PM
                                          • Bronwyn Bishop in discussion with Christopher Pyne. Says it all Alex. Still, I want to add, that I'm starting to think of them as THE TERRIBLE TWO. So it's Alex Ellinghausen's photograph of THE TERRIBLE TWO as far as I'm concerned.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pluto
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            July 14, 2014, 1:40PM
                                            • The thing that most annoys me about the CC debate isn't the deniers that quote from Lord Monkton or other discredited sources they can find - (temperature dropping in the last 10 years anyone?) - it is the argument that because Aust makes up a small % of CO2 emissions, what we do doesn't make any difference.

                                              We are a rich, 'first world' country which often punches above our weight. We have influence.

                                              We need to show a leadership role to make sure the global momentum that is starting to build again continues. How can we influence if we are going in the opposite direction?

                                              We need to be smart and position ourselves in the new energy economy which is already underway - like it or not. Any short term 'gains' from abolishing the CT eg 10% reduction of power bills will be blown out of the water if we don't.

                                              At the moment we are doing none of the above. It is short term, destructive thinking that will cost our country dearly.

                                              Commenter
                                              davemac
                                              Location
                                              Melbourne
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:47PM
                                              • My tax makes up a very small percentage of the Government's take. I'll follow their lead and sit on this time around - won't make any difference.

                                                Commenter
                                                Tony
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 1:55PM
                                              • umm... whats your tax dollars got to do with CC, tony?

                                                Commenter
                                                rogue
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:18PM
                                              • rogue, it's what's called an 'analogy'. If every individual who contributes less than 1% of the tax take just didn't pay tax it would destroy the budget. If everyone who contributes less than 1% of global warming refuses to take action... I'm sure you can work it out.

                                                Commenter
                                                JLD
                                                Location
                                                Melb
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:46PM
                                              • I think the fact that needed to be explained explains a lot in itself.

                                                Commenter
                                                davemac
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 3:10PM
                                            • Clive is an old Lib at heart,when his tight rope walking ends and he casts a vote the carbon tax will be gone.

                                              Commenter
                                              Garry of Melbourne
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:47PM
                                              • Clive is a Clive at heart. He will vote whatever way suits his interests first.

                                                Commenter
                                                Sarah of Carnegie
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 1:56PM
                                            • More than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around
                                              the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United
                                              Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President
                                              Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report -- updated from the
                                              2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism
                                              about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over
                                              1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists,
                                              who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic
                                              increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the
                                              last update in March 2009. This report's release coincides with the 2010 UN global
                                              warming summit in being held in Cancun.
                                              The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grew louder in 2010 as the Climategate scandal -
                                              - which involved the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists -- detonated upon on the
                                              international climate movement. "I view Climategate as science fraud, pure and simple,"
                                              said noted Princeton Physicist Dr. Robert Austin shortly after the scandal broke.
                                              Climategate prompted UN IPCC scientists to turn on each other. UN IPCC scientist
                                              Eduardo Zorita publicly declared that his Climategate colleagues Michael Mann and Phil
                                              Jones "should be barred from the IPCC process...They are not credible anymore."

                                              Commenter
                                              THE SCIENCE IS NOT SETTLED
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:48PM
                                              • So who's buying whom now?

                                                Commenter
                                                Tony
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 1:53PM
                                              • Please, stop quoting the Heritage Foundation and the like

                                                It has the total opposite effect to what you are hoping for.

                                                Do you have no idea who the Koch brothers are?

                                                You are right, the science is not settled. There is varying degrees of what the impact is. What is settled however is the laws of physics which has proven that the excess C02 pumped into the atmosphere by man is rapidly heating the planet.

                                                The only thing not settled is how bad its going to be for humans, either really, really bad or near mass-genocidal.

                                                Commenter
                                                Sambo
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:43PM
                                            • “I am ashamed of what climate science has become today.” The science “community is
                                              relying on an inadequate model to blame CO2 and innocent citizens for global
                                              warming in order to generate funding and to gain attention. If this is what ‘science’
                                              has become today, I, as a scientist, am ashamed.” -- Research Chemist William C.
                                              Gilbert published a study in August 2010 in the journal Energy & Environment titled
                                              “The thermodynamic relationship between surface temperature and water vapor
                                              concentration in the troposphere” and he published a paper in August 2009 titled
                                              “Atmospheric Temperature Distribution in a Gravitational Field.” [Updated December 9,
                                              2010]
                                              “The dysfunctional nature of the climate sciences is nothing short of a scandal.
                                              Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done
                                              within the Climate Science Community.” The global warming establishment “has
                                              actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do not comply with
                                              the dogma of the IPCC.” -- Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring of the
                                              Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit

                                              “Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way
                                              that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role
                                              corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith…My skepticism about
                                              AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, Iknow how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been
                                              abandoned in this field.” -- Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with
                                              Australia’s CSIRO’s (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization)
                                              Division of Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research.

                                              Commenter
                                              THE SCIENCE IS NOT SETTLED
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:51PM
                                              • I am a sceptic....I don't believe you!

                                                Commenter
                                                JT
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 1:58PM
                                              • That's four against. All those in favour say "aye"

                                                You denialists think your handful of doubters trumps the 97%. The house is burning around you but you continue to believe there's no smoke or, at best, it's someone else's fire.

                                                Commenter
                                                stevek
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 1:58PM
                                              • “We’re not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media,
                                                there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because
                                                there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another
                                                150 years.” -- UN IPCC’s Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC since 2004 and listed
                                                as one of the lead authors and serves as

                                                Commenter
                                                the science is not settled
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:08PM
                                              • Reminds me of the arguments from early history on through the Middle Ages and up to the Reformation when the prevailing view was that the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around it. Those who held a contrary view were burned at the stake. In the end the science won out and will win again. But even then the doubters will still deny.

                                                Commenter
                                                mitch of ACT
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:08PM
                                              • Opinion is divided.

                                                I say it is, and everyone else says it isn't.

                                                Commenter
                                                davemac
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:12PM
                                              • discussing climate change with you would be like trying to explain metaphysics to an amoeba

                                                Commenter
                                                wally100
                                                Location
                                                sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:18PM
                                              • Mitch, I too am reminded of the middle ages up to the renaissance when a large consensus was opposed by the dissenting few. The consensus was wrong then too.

                                                Commenter
                                                Lewis
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:29PM
                                              • Oddly enough, the only mention I can find of William C. Gilbert is that exact quote. I wikied the paper it was published in and found "scientific claims made in Energy & Environment have little credibility among scientists" - Thacker, Paul D. (31 August 2005). "Skeptics get a journal"

                                                It's basically a journal for climate deniers to review each others opinions.

                                                All of the quotes are lifted directly from 'NewsBusters - exposing and combating liberal media bias'. So you'll forgive me if I'm sceptical of your scepticism.

                                                Commenter
                                                JLD
                                                Location
                                                Melb
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:43PM
                                            • and Abbott is on record in support of a carbon price and an ETS back in 2007 along with Howard. Abbott is merely a chameleon for personal gain who will con the public at the appropriate time.

                                              Commenter
                                              JT
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:56PM
                                              • Abbott is a nobody with no vision

                                                Commenter
                                                Master Blaster
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:32PM
                                            • Things are getting pretty desperate when the ABC are rolling out John Howard ETS quotes (1:52).

                                              Back then, we hadn't cottoned onto the lengths to which the enviro-lobby would go to scare us all.

                                              Today, given Warragamba is still there, the Murray still flows and Tuvalu is still there, it's a very different story.

                                              Commenter
                                              Hacka
                                              Location
                                              Canberra
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 1:57PM
                                              • and Whyalla is still here to.. Hendo..

                                                Commenter
                                                rogue3512
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:08PM
                                              • Funny @H a couple of weeks back I thought you said you did believe there was a CC problem, you just didn't agree with the approach or the timing to address it. Or was that a non core promise?

                                                Commenter
                                                davemac
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:09PM
                                              • wow are you so ignorant to believe that climate change and rising sea levels will dramatically affect coastal locations and dams in the next year?.......what we are talking about are ways to reduce CO2 emissions so that doesn't happen 500 years from now.....OMG give this neocon a free loan to get a good education!

                                                Commenter
                                                JT
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:11PM
                                              • Are your dancing shoes a size too small ?

                                                Commenter
                                                MST
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:13PM
                                              • Happy to point you to a fair bit of newer updates.

                                                Perhaps you could email this guy http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/people/faculty-index/?p=ben-kirtman, Professor of od the Dept of Atmospheric services at the University of Miami and enquire about the price of property in Florida.

                                                Perhaps you might listen when he tells you that practically all of Miami & the whole of Florida will be underwater by the end of the century.

                                                And this is the best case scenario

                                                Commenter
                                                Sambo
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:17PM
                                              • Getting desperate for Toxic Tony and the Turpitudes perhaps. All that bullying of the ABC with threats of budget cutbacks are not working now as they are cutting back on the ABC anyway.

                                                I suspect a lot of ABC journalists have nothing to lose by actually reporting the truth now.

                                                Commenter
                                                Whyalla Wipeout
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:29PM
                                              • Hacka, didn't Peta's cheat sheet remind you that you are now a believer in climate change?

                                                Commenter
                                                jofek
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:36PM
                                              • davemac - yes we should address climate change. But not with the carbon tax.

                                                Sambo - when we look back in a few years time and work out what killed the carbon tax, i'd say that those that cried wolf for so long will be much of the problem.

                                                Commenter
                                                Hacka
                                                Location
                                                Canberra
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:39PM
                                              • Ok Hacka,
                                                No carbon tax, but what then should we do?

                                                Government direct intervention?

                                                Commenter
                                                Econorat
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:57PM
                                              • @Hhhhhhh's

                                                So what's your point about a scare campaign then? The point is getting people believing in the science - which you do - then working out how to address it. And no, direct action is not the way unless it has limits and penalties built in.

                                                Commenter
                                                davemac
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 3:08PM
                                              • davemac - the scare campaign told us that we wouldn't have fresh drinking water, that the Murray Darling food bowl would be ruined, that bush fires would be rampantly out of control, that tipping points were approaching.

                                                Close to ten years later, none of this is true. We've been conned - you guys in particular - and we should address climate change in an orderly, medium to long term manner.

                                                The issue needs neither a price on carbon nor a knee jerk reaction.

                                                I suspect after this week, within a few months, when all the greenies have cried themselves to sleep for a few nights we might even be able to start a proper debate on how to tackle climate change, without the overblown rhetoric and emotive appeals we get from some quarters.

                                                Commenter
                                                Hacka
                                                Location
                                                Canberra
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 3:35PM
                                            • @ 1:52 pm:

                                              FORMER PM John Howard thinks there'll never be a worldwide climate change agreement and admits he only backed emissions trading before the 2007 election because he faced a "perfect storm" on the issue.

                                              Mr Howard delivered the Global Warming Policy Foundation's annual lecture in London overnight.

                                              The foundation was established by former Thatcher minister Nigel Lawson, who is sceptical about the impact of rising temperatures.

                                              "I've always been agnostic about it (climate change)," Mr Howard told reporters in London before his address.

                                              "I don't completely dismiss the more dire warnings but I instinctively feel that some of the claims are exaggerated.

                                              "I don't accept all of the alarmist conclusions."

                                              Howard's speech in full

                                              Mr Howard said he'd grown up being told ulcers were caused by stress but it was later revealed a virus was to blame.

                                              "You can never be absolutely certain that all the science is in."

                                              Before the 2007 federal election then prime minister Howard pledged a re-elected conservative government would introduce an emissions trading scheme (ETS).

                                              But he now says that was because by late 2006 his government hit a "perfect storm" with on-going drought, severe water restrictions, bushfires and the release of the Stern Review and Al Gore's film An Inconvenient Truth.

                                              "To put it bluntly, 'doing something' about global warming gathered strong political momentum in Australia," Mr Howard said in his written lecture.

                                              ...

                                              More at http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/11/06/1226753/906885-howard-speech.pdf

                                              Commenter
                                              Cut and paste like HRBA
                                              Location
                                              Googling merrily
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 2:00PM
                                              • Really? Would never have believed that Howard would do something like this.

                                                What's your point? That Liberals are liars and will do whatever it takes to get their sorry arses elected?

                                                Commenter
                                                davemac
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:10PM
                                            • Bill Shorten is skating on thin ice. All he has got going for him are fear campaigns on the budget and the old chestnut 'Climate Change? There is nothing creative or constructive coming from him and he shows no interest in the National wellbeing-only his own political wellbeing. Labor had the hide to say that Tony Abbott was the most negative opposition leader even though Tony Abbott was trying to stop Labor and the Greens from destroying the economy-he was trying to do good. Labor is being negative for the wrong reasons as the Coalition's policies if implemented will help the economy and the Nation's finances which in time will help the disadvantaged. Unlike Labor the Coalition believes that we need a strong economy and strong finances to be able to help the disadvantages in a sustainable way.

                                              Commenter
                                              noitall
                                              Location
                                              Beacon Hill
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 2:03PM
                                              • How horribly inconvenient for 25 top economists to call the Abbott gov't out on its fake "Budget Emergency". After stuffing up the repeal of the carbon tax to replace it with nothing, the gov't must be having a real "Competence Emergency". http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/economists-reject-abbott-crisis-claims-20140711-3bsh9.html It was apparent that we were being sold a pup with all of the talk of a Budget Emergency before the election and that was made even clearer by the $60bn+ added to the deficit between PEFO & MYEFO. Now that PUP is crapping all over the Budget to the extent that it can't even be used to wipe up the mess.

                                                Commenter
                                                mitch of ACT
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:11PM
                                              • Swings and roundabouts old boy. Stop sooking and start looking to the Government if you want leadership although it is understandable why you would look for some leadership from the opposition considering the distinct lack of it on the Treasury benches.

                                                Commenter
                                                billsan
                                                Location
                                                Neverland
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:11PM
                                              • Shorten doesn't have to do anything, abbott is destroying the Coalition without any help being required.

                                                Commenter
                                                wally100
                                                Location
                                                sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:16PM
                                              • "thin ice" due to climate change perhaps?

                                                Commenter
                                                mitch of ACT
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:16PM
                                              • straight from the IPA bible... well done hendo..

                                                Commenter
                                                rogue
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:23PM
                                              • What $60 Billion added to the deficit between PEFO and MYEFO.?

                                                Please document this deficit increase.

                                                Commenter
                                                Andie
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:47PM
                                              • mitch of ACT-You quote the SMH-says it all. The bulk of the $60 billion is for the rightful correction of Labors habitual overestimation of revenue-just like they did when they broke all their promises to deliver budget surpluses. Re. Ice-The Antarctic Ice levels are at record highs and the Arctic Ice levels are higher than what they have been in recent years-so much for the professional global warming alarmists.
                                                billson-We have real leaders in the Coalition and not dummy spitters like Rudd and Gillard-they made a mess and ran away. Shorten ended up helping to ditch both of them-not a good quality for a leader-loyalty is a very important factor.
                                                Wally 100-Shorten cannot initiate anything on his own-he can only rely on scare tactics.
                                                andie -See my comment above re the so called $60 billion difference.

                                                Commenter
                                                noitall
                                                Location
                                                Beacon Hill
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 5:05PM
                                            • So jobs will be lost at the ABC in Melbourne. No voluntary redundancies on offer. Any jobs to go in Sydney? I suppose the the LNP has already figured that the Melbourne Liberals are so on the nose that it doesn't really matter, and won't make much difference come November anyway.

                                              Commenter
                                              Pluto
                                              Location
                                              Melbourne
                                              Date and time
                                              July 14, 2014, 2:07PM
                                              • I hate the Dorothy Dixer questions.

                                                Commenter
                                                Sarah of Carnegie
                                                Date and time
                                                July 14, 2014, 2:11PM
                                                • I expect we'll be hearing a retraction or an apology of the inappropriate and offensive remarks regarding our honourable enemies in the House today.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  A country gal
                                                  Date and time
                                                  July 14, 2014, 2:15PM
                                                  • I just saw Pepa Pig . . .

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Sir Pork Barrell
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:20PM
                                                  • Even Peppa's time slot has been moved much to the outrage of mummy bloggers. Perhaps they think her lefty feminist ideals aren't fit for our young. So you may well have seen her fly past, heading for her manger.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    A country gal
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:35PM
                                                • Nothing is going to fall by $10 a week Tony Truthless and you well know it. But that will be the ALP's fault somehow too no doubt

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Sir Pork Barrell
                                                  Date and time
                                                  July 14, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                  • Clive Palmer's nickel refinery had a $36 million carbon tax bill which Clive for a long time refused to pay. How is it that he can be permitted to vote on legislation in the parliament related to the carbon tax?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Conflict O'Interest
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:19PM
                                                    • Very good question. He should abstain. Clear conflict there.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Sarah of Carnegie
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                  • The ABC group thinkers are in a death spiral. Emma Alberici's breaks with their ranks with ETS story in yesterday's Sunday Herald. Then Shergold's report recommends ABC/SBS relocates to Parramatta to save $300million. And they say Pepa Pig is threatened. I'd say Scott is for not wanting to move to the heartland of Sydney. What, too much multiculturalism for the inner city intelligentsia?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    enough is enough
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:23PM
                                                    • Too much multiculturalism? wasn't pizza shop filmed out west way?... good one hendo...

                                                      Commenter
                                                      rogue
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:37PM
                                                  • gosh China just branded Julie Bishop a complete fool! I'm shocked and utterly unsurprised ... who next for this mob to put off side I wonder ...

                                                    Commenter
                                                    juileep
                                                    Location
                                                    sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:26PM
                                                    • I'm just surprised it took so long for it to be said.
                                                      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/julie-bishop-a-complete-fool-australia-a-country-of-rascals-and-outlaws-says-chinese-paper-20140714-zt6w0.html

                                                      Commenter
                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:35PM
                                                    • Haven't got much time for this government but I reckon that Julie Bishop is the only one actually doing any work. She must be relieved that the CT is not part of her portfolio.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pluto
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                    • "describe Ms Bishop as a “complete fool” and suggesting her government won’t last long."

                                                      Wise people these Chinese!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      QED
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                    • well Pluto if you reckon Bishop the younger is the only one working at her job and our major trading partner comes out in an editorial branding her ' a complete fool ' I wonder what the heck they think of the rest of this lame duck government! A scary thought actually.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      juileep
                                                      Location
                                                      sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:00PM
                                                    • That comment was made by the editor of Global Times, a newspaper in China which is a tabloid and has about as much credibility as The National Enquirer.It also supports warmongering with its neighbours and anyone who dares to sail in the South China Sea. I don't think the admirable Miss Bishop will lose much sleep over this bit of propaganda which is excreted for domestic consumption.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Proud Aussie
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:11PM
                                                    • And nothing gets published in the mainstream Chinese press that isn't official policy. I wonder how Julie (I want to look like Diana) Bishop will feel the next time she talks with Chinese leaders knowing what they have allowed to be said about her. Loss of any standing and credibility.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:12PM
                                                  • So no action on climate change, first country in the world to remove a price on carbon
                                                    An unworkable budget with a likely $60 billion deficit
                                                    International pariah on human rights and refugees
                                                    Only 7 bills actually passed in 7 months compared to Gillard's 127 in the same time
                                                    Supports racist attitudes
                                                    Supports banking financial advice scams
                                                    Only people to say anything good about Tony Abbott are himself, Rupert Murdoch and Hacka (whoever he is)
                                                    Alienated the states by ripping $80 billion from their health and education budgets
                                                    Lost the car industry
                                                    Wrecked the renewable energy industry
                                                    Gutted the NBN, buggering the tech industry
                                                    Dropped consumer confidence to the lowest levels since the GFC
                                                    10% behind in the opinion polls
                                                    Offended Indonesia, China, Israel, everyone in the Middle East, Canadia, Obama, even the RSL.
                                                    Aimed a wrecking ball at higher education and Hecs
                                                    Attacked the free basis of Medicare
                                                    Attacked unions and all the basic conditions they provide to workers, penalty rates, minimum wages etc.
                                                    Gutted the ABC and SBS
                                                    Doubled the Commonwealth debt
                                                    Decimated the Barrier reef
                                                    Tried to do the same with Tasmanian Forests
                                                    Decimated the security of young people by denying them the dole
                                                    Substituted indentured slavery planting trees in the desert for jobsearch benefits
                                                    Introduced a return to knighthoods
                                                    Turned Australia into an international laughing stock and provided fodder for international comedy programs
                                                    What a list of achievements
                                                    And today they will be celebrating these achievements while those very celebrations are beamed around the world so that the rest of the world can shake their heads in disbelief at our idiocy.
                                                    What a joke

                                                    Commenter
                                                    GOV
                                                    Location
                                                    Sydney
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                    • Gov - good company you put me in, how kind.

                                                      But isn't it also true that we're also the only country in the world to introduce such a punitive carbon dioxide price ?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Hacka
                                                      Location
                                                      Canberra
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:09PM
                                                    • Why did you leave me out? I love Tony more than Hacka. I really, really love him so much.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      enough is enough
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:22PM
                                                    • I'd call that a good start, refreshing also to see that burning rooftops, no carbon tax under a government I lead, 1200 plus deaths at sea and lies about upcoming budget surpluses as far as the eye can see are NOT on the list.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Green with Hypocrisy
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:01PM
                                                  • Bill Shorten is at it again. Will the PM guarantee that families will save $10 a week. Can't believe the audacity of this guy to ask the question when he wants to retain the CT because he is afraid that like Abbott's stop the boats campaign it will resonate with voters and Shorten would be deemed irrelevant in the absence of any real policy.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Piped Piper
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                    • No chance of anything like $10 per week. Another Liberal Party Dancing Girl

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Smirk
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:51PM
                                                    • Quite within his rights to ask this actually.

                                                      Abbott rabbited on for months with a scare campaign about how everything would be sooooo expensive with a CT and the roof would basically fall in.

                                                      So which is it - lying back then, or can he stand by his claims? They probably were 'off the cuff' and not 'carefully scripted', so there's your answer.

                                                      Remember - No Whyalla wipeout - there on my TV......

                                                      Commenter
                                                      davemac
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                  • Oh dear Tony Truthless - not only is your Budget a stinker - but you have been caught out with your maths - looks like nothing is going to fall as nuch as you told us last year. Why should we believe anything you say ?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Can Tony calculate costs ? Correctly ?
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 14, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                    • Coming to you from a focus group near you:

                                                      The word 'fibber'. What makes these chaotic clowns think that the public will buy this new piece of manufactured, over-processed meaningless label when the perpetrators are regarded as the biggest liars to ever (dis)grace the Treasury Benches in Australia?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Whyalla Wipeout
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 14, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                      • Libs - bottom of the barrel.

                                                        Labor's promise to 'terminate the carbon tax' conveniently leaves out the bit '....and move immediately to an ETS'. Just like they conveniently misrepresented the figures about how much CO2 has actually been reduced as a result of a tax.

                                                        Spin, spin, spin.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        davemac
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 14, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                        • Just another bald faced lie from Abbott. Even in Parliament, for the record, into Hansard. Yes, Labor said axe the tax BUT replace it with an ETS otherwise no tax-axing.
                                                          It's academic anyway. It'll get axed this week despite more recent polls showing a change in heart for its axing.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Mr Ed
                                                          Location
                                                          Katoomba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 14, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                      • Removal of the carbon tax won't change a thing...everything will keep getting more expensive.....the quicker we get rid of it the sooner the public will realise just how much they have been conned by Abbott. That to me is worth getting rid of it quick, PUP!

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JT
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 14, 2014, 2:35PM
                                                        • So we know who the Labor staffer is now with the Leg of Lamb question.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Sarah of Carnegie
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 14, 2014, 2:37PM
                                                          • The comment on the Leg of Lamb is solely owned by none other than Barnaby Joyce when in opposition.
                                                            Do keep up.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            A country gal
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:18PM
                                                        • "Really and truly, nobody can take this Labor Party seriously."

                                                          Please excuse my mirth - this from Tony Truthless ? What is the big worry is that really and truly nobody can take the so called Govt seriously

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Smirk
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 14, 2014, 2:37PM
                                                          • Gutless!!!!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Daniel
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 14, 2014, 2:40PM
                                                            • Judith, what was the question and answer concerning Australian Hearing? My little 11 month old has a hearing loss sadly.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Craig
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 14, 2014, 2:44PM
                                                              • Craig just another mean part of the Budget. Australia Hearing has been targeted as one of the first five Govt agencies on the long list to be privatised. Google them, a lot of concerned articles over the privatisation of their services. In particular for remote Indigenous communities.
                                                                All the best with your daughter.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                              • QT is replayed on the ABC tonight at 2pm. Set your recorder or your alarm clock if you're keen.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                stevek
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:18PM
                                                              • Stevek, replay is at 12.35a.m , live is at 2.00p.m.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:33PM
                                                              • Press release from Andrew Wilkie's office, with link to the question and answer: 

                                                                Mr Wilkie asked the Federal Health Minister, Peter Dutton, the following in Question Time this afternoon.

                                                                ``Minister another aspect of the Government’s miserable budget is an investigation into the sell-off of Australian Hearing,’’ Mr Wilkie asked. ``This greatly concerns the clients of the Australian Government Hearing Services Program, for example the hundreds of deaf and hearing-impaired children in Tasmania. Minister what reassurance can you give these people that there will be no sell-off; or that if there is there would be no adverse effect on the delivery, scope and cost of services.’’

                                                                Mr Dutton did not rule out the sale of Australian Hearing. 

                                                                The video of the question and answer can be viewed here:

                                                                http://www.andrewwilkie.org/content/index.php/awmp/home_news_extended/question_regarding_australian_hearing

                                                                The Australian Government Hearing Services Program supports people with hearing loss and screens newborn babies for hearing problems.  It has more than 450 locations across Australia and provides free hearing checks as well as advice and a range of hearing aids.

                                                                Mr Wilkie spoke with Mr Dutton after the question and while he demonstrated an understanding of the issue, he remained non-committal.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Commenter
                                                                The Mod
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:22PM
                                                              • Well done Mod. And kudos to Wilkie.
                                                                Many of the meanest parts of the Budget haven't garnered much attention .
                                                                People like Craig are the human face of this meanness.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:44PM
                                                            • 2.39
                                                              $2.2 kilogram leg of lamb would cost $26.40!
                                                              crikey are these lambs on steroids. That's one big lamb. Not even a Ram or a Stag would have a leg that big.
                                                              Big sheep!
                                                              A slight exaggeration.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              A country gal
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 14, 2014, 2:46PM
                                                              • A 12 kg leg in fact. Monster Lambs bigger than cattle.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 2:51PM
                                                              • Average weight leg of lamb 2.5kg.
                                                                Average weight given to Grabbalition economic estimates; very little.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                David D
                                                                Location
                                                                Ettalong Beach
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                              • David, whether it's another Typo or Pat Conroy (ALP) has no idea on food costs or Coles is really ripping off the farmer I don't know but @ $2.20 kg lamb is unheard of and so is a 12 kg leg. I grew up on a sheep farm and am a retired chef.
                                                                It's just not plausible by any token.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:12PM
                                                              • ACG. Grew up with c. 6000 sheep (No I did not know all their names). 2.2kg leg not $2.20 leg. Av weight 2.5kg from numerous sources (inc Hudson Meats website). Sorry to be picky (but I love to pick on a leg of lamb)

                                                                Commenter
                                                                David D
                                                                Location
                                                                Ettalong Beach
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                              • David, it's me being picky because there was another typo to which I commented on, published, removed then the script changed on here. How the "leader of the house " was referred to. it's black and white obvious it should read 2.2kg. You and I both obviously know a bit about sheep. I wouldn't like to be a roustabout with 12kg legs on a lamb!
                                                                See if this gets posted.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                              • A lamb with 12kg legs would probably end up on a BBW website - *Big Beasty Woollies*!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                David D
                                                                Location
                                                                Ettalong Beach
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:04PM
                                                            • Draft a decent Budget Joe that has the support of the professional economists around town and does not leave the poor to be the "lifters" and maybe your Budget will get through. And PUP is not supporting a lot of it - but don't let truth get in the way of your rant

                                                              Commenter
                                                              T
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 14, 2014, 2:54PM
                                                              • The carbon tax soon to be repealed is sold on the basis of PUP’s saving the voters on food, power bills, clothing, rent, etc but all these savings confiscated later through LNP’s inevitable inflation period courtesy of its own economic budget incompetence.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Postgirl
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 14, 2014, 2:56PM
                                                                • The difference between atmospheric carbon in 1955 when 315 ppm with today is it's over 400 ppm. For tens of thousands of years’ atmospheric Co2 levels remained stable, then over 59 years jumped by 26.98%. In terms of energy the 85 ppm increase equates to 60% of one watt per square metre across the earth’s surface, it doesn’t seem much until one realises it is equal to the energy of 20,000 atomic bombs exploding every day every year and increasing.

                                                                  Most of the energy is taken up by oceans because they cover 72% of the earth’s surface with a total volume approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. “The top 700 meters (2,300 feet) have warmed by 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969” (NASA). Consider this Co2 energy increase over the last 59 years has warmed 3.6×108 square kilometres of ocean by 0.302 degrees F.

                                                                  Now ask yourself who pays Bolt’s handsome salary, oh dear, could that be Gina Rinehart, who blames global warming on the earth’s orbit?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 14, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                  • Yes, Bolt et al are in orbit around Gina's cheque book.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tony
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:35PM
                                                                • Every day for the next two years, the government will remind us that that if elected in 2016, Labor will reintroduce a carbon tax.

                                                                  Why would Shorten ruin his chances of ever being Prime Minister ?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Hacka
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 14, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                                  • @H By then this (or at least the ETS version) will be a vote winner a-la 2007. Libs will be hopelessly wedged.

                                                                    Ha....ha......ha......ha.....

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    davemac
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:03PM
                                                                  • And every day for the next two years, the sight of the Clivester will remind us that despite protestations, Mumbles was indeed willing to *sell his arse* to minor parties and independents.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    David D
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Ettalong Beach
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:03PM
                                                                  • No Labor will introduce an ETS with the support of PUP in the senate...bring on 2016.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    JT
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:04PM
                                                                  • And every day for the next 2 years Labor will remind the electorate that any of the Budget measures that don't get up this time around or in the next Budget will be waiting for them after the next election. But whatever the outcome of the next election Tony Abbott will not be PM. He has blown any shred of credibility this time around. Of course Labor could also threaten the electorate with if the Libs win next time around the Libs will reinstate Abbott as PM. The ultimate scare tactic.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:05PM
                                                                  • Are those dancing shoes Tap Shoes ?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Blue Tie Lies
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:09PM
                                                                  • Makes sense. Especially since they are so incapable of actually governing.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    tasch2
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Mornington Peninsula
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:14PM
                                                                  • Well since there will be no change in pricing in the 2015 FY and beyond why would anyone who is dumb enough to believe that have anything to worry about

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Blue Tie Ineptitude
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                                  • And every day for the next two years Abbott wil be asked " where is the money you said we'd get by repealing the carbon tax?"
                                                                    And ever day for the next two years Abbott will lie about what he actually said and promised.

                                                                    Why should Abbott ruin his chances of being thrown out after one term as PM?

                                                                    He's lied his ass off so many times now he may as well keep it up .

                                                                    He has the help of a compliant murdoch media and countless spin drs at his beck and call.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    mirrorsofsmoke
                                                                    Location
                                                                    sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:17PM
                                                                  • If the ALP didn't fight to bring it back I'd be considering other options at voting time. Some of us think that carbon tax/ETS is the right thing to do and recent polling shows a change of heart in that direction as well.
                                                                    You know....in a parallel universe....if Abbott was fighting for a Carbon Tax........

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Mr Ed
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Katoomba
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:18PM
                                                                  • Unlike Abbott, Bill Shorten is concerned for Australia, not just his own ambitions. And if the LNP were more concerned about Australia rather than spending an unhealthy amount of money and time obsessing about the Labor party and how many days since this and the anniversary of that, they may have had some time to devote to policy.But they only have time to work on their childish slogans. Does that answer your question?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Dr Bombay
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:22PM
                                                                  • But aren't many of you concerned ? Carbon pricing has cost the ALP two Prime Ministers and an election.

                                                                    We know that Labor aren't too flash at listening to the electorate, but if Shorten goes to the next election with a carbon tax, surely you all realise he's finished.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Hacka
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                                  • Hacka if you think it was the Carbon Tax that got Tony Truthless elected then you need to enrol in dancing lessons - shoes are not enough. And if you really believe that then we don't need to re-elect him.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Blue Tiesd don't do deals
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:41PM
                                                                  • Blue tie - why don't you plot the last four years of Newspoll then have another think about that one.

                                                                    Especially the February 2011 result.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Hacka
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                • Tony Abbott: "the cost of building a new home will fall very significantly once the carbon tax is abolished" - carefully scripted or otherwise, this statement is now written into Hansard. If (when?) the cost of building a home doesn't come down Tony Abbott will be guilty of misleading parliament

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  RobE
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 14, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                                    • During the 1960’s one could buy a home for about 1.5 times average income and today it is around 6 times average income ($60,000). This was also the case before the carbon price was introduced.

                                                                      Err, another million migrants over the next five years requires increased infrastructure spending of about $250 billion?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                                  • In years to come at the entrance to Parliament House, Canberra, there will be an honor-board of the names of Labor ministers ejected by Bronwyn Bishop. And the grandsons, granddaughters, and other descendants will look at the names inscribed thereon with pride.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pluto
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:03PM
                                                                    • Could it be that ALP members of parliament are very poorly behaved or does that not enter your minds?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Piped Piper
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                                    • It is a sin to tell a lie - Not looking good for Tony Truthless in the next life

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Blue Tie Lies
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:19PM
                                                                    • The law of averages would tend to favour a biased decision, PP. But, you could be right, if you believe the spin.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Tony
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:32PM
                                                                    • Terri Butler, been in Parliament 5 minutes and already a serial scrapper who gets turfed regularly. Forgets she's not at a lunchroom union meeting.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Green with Hypocrisy
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:44PM
                                                                  • He is not calling garcon. He is questioning the usefulness of a PM that has no power to pass bills - let alone hot air. And don't skimp on the quail eggs.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Mr Creaso
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 14, 2014, 3:04PM
                                                                    • "Daddy, when is the carbon tax going?"
                                                                      "Soon, sweetheart. Very soon."
                                                                      "But we've all been so miserable since it came, and hungry, and cold. It's like a great big grey cloud has been over the whole world."
                                                                      "I know, sweetheart. But we just have to trust Mr. Abbott now. He's working to put everything right."
                                                                      "God bless Mr. Abbott."
                                                                      "Amen to that."

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pedro
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:07PM
                                                                      • Sounds like a conversation between Cabinet and Peta Credlin

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        billsan
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Neverland
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                                      • Ah, the innocence of youth. Only a child would believe that Tony Abbott will actually deliver any real benefit from repealing the carbon tax except to make a political point.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        JW
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Doncaster
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:18PM
                                                                    • Morally this Govt is a leaner on a slippery slope to the bottom of the sand pit

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      ashamed of oz
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                                      • Don't know about the sand pit. There will be no soft landing for this bunch of inepts. Unfortunately its probably going to be the same for us poor punters too.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        tasch2
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Mornington Peninsula
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:19PM
                                                                    • Just knew that Joe Hockey wasn't quite up to it. The photo proves it.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pluto
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 14, 2014, 3:17PM
                                                                      • The carbon tax is about to be repealed the wrecking ball will no longer be going thru our economy. Get ready for the next economic boom!
                                                                        Wonder what Abbott's line will be when it hardly has any impact or electricity gas prices hardly decrease.
                                                                        Probably ringing Rupert and the Institute of Public Affairs now for further instructions.
                                                                        That why he needed to spend so much on the spin merchants

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        freddy
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:18PM
                                                                        • Whatever happened to the economic deliverance the Libs promised us. http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/economists-see-fading-momentum/story-e6frfkur-1226985909627 Growth is SLOWING, unemployment is RISING, wages are FALLING, consumers are LOSING confidence. That's what happens when you cut gov't spending for blind ideological reasons rather than sound economics. Looks like the electorate is learning the hard way.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          mitch of ACT
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:23PM
                                                                        • Correct. the wrecking ball is now PM. And don't we - and the economy - know it!!!

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tony
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:30PM
                                                                        • I imagine next time when going shopping no one will be able to park, shoppers will be carrying armfuls of purchases, trolleys will be overflowing. legs of lamb will be fought over in the aisles.
                                                                          There will be no such thing as unemployment.
                                                                          The saviour has rescued Australia, snort.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:40PM
                                                                        • ACG - Yes. We are not worthy of His greatness.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          davemac
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                      • Abbott deliberately mislead parliament in saying the carbon tax was "bad policy based on a lie", about the lie bit.
                                                                        He knows the circumstances, that at worst Gillard broke a promise and that Labor had to alter its pre-election position to gain the support of the cross benches to govern and to be able to get legislation through the Senate, deals that Abbott was trying to do at the same time to also gain government.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lyn
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:20PM
                                                                        • I don't know. I would thin that Mr Abbott has an outstanding record on bad policies and lies. He is very, very good at both.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Our Hero
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:40PM
                                                                        • Lots of lies - few if any policies

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Smirk
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:47PM
                                                                        • So Lyn, you're trying to say it was ok to lie because she had to do it to retain government... isn't winning office the reason most lies are told in politics?!? Or are you suggesting that this lie was told for a very unique reason - to benefit the lie teller?? Well, stop the presses!! "Lie told to create benefit for the lie teller!!" I'll bet that's NEVER happened before in ALL OF HISTORY!!!!

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jim
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:16PM
                                                                        • No Jim, I neither wrote or intended that interpretation nor is it open on a plain reading of what I wrote.
                                                                          Why the verballing?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Lyn
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 6:37PM
                                                                      • When did the cabinet meet last week before agreeing to all the PUP amendments in 15 minutes?

                                                                        They didn't - senate hall deal was done with Clive - took 15 seconds

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Blue Tiesd don't do deals
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:21PM
                                                                        • Reminds me of the Josh Thomas ad where whatever he asks, however ludicrous, he is told YES. Josh Thomas as Clive Palmer and the Liberal Party playing a mid-level telco.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:27PM
                                                                        • And Clive is likely to ask for REALLY BIG KITTENS.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pluto
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:35PM
                                                                      • "TA is nonplussed and unfussed."

                                                                        It says something for Toxic Tony that he can take two totally contradictory attitudes at the same time.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                                        • Nonplussed means the addiition function not available on this model.
                                                                          Unfussed possibly has something to do with *goldfish syndrome*... (every seven seconds *look, a castle*)

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          David D
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Ettalong Beach
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:31PM
                                                                      • Clive Palmer is a man of principle. Tony Abbott is not. The Palmer United Party holds the balance of power in the Senate. The LNP does not. Lets get this show to a real policy agenda that has nothing to do with punishing unfortunates, stealing from pensioners or rewarding rich businessmen. If you don't like it, call a DD. After all, your mate Mr Murdoch stands ready to build you a new house "away from the sea".

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Reality
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:25PM
                                                                        • I'm reserving judgement on Clive Palmer being a man of principle.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pluto
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:29PM
                                                                        • The principle being one of populism - whatever will get Clive a headline on any given day

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Doug
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:36PM
                                                                        • @Doug. I'm beginning to have my suspicion that this is exactly the case.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pluto
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:38PM
                                                                        • Yep Mr Palmer is like Abbott trying to deceive you into voting for him, wake up.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Amro
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:43PM
                                                                      • What Australians need to do in their hundreds of thousands is to forgo a little sleep, connect to their internet, log on to the parliament of one of the other countries that operate under a similar Westminster style system to Australia and observe how those parliaments operate. It probably would only take a few minutes at most for the viewer to cringe at the performance of those who purport to represent us here in Australia. Our parliament is a disgrace and the disgrace is all on the two major parties and their total lack of ability, transparency and truthfulness in what they have the hide to call governing and opposing. Shame on our politians and a pox on both our houses of parliament.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        RTP
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sawtell
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:26PM
                                                                        • I would agree with that at least in respect of Westminster. They seem to be more constructive, even though it is still fairly rowdy.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          MM
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:29PM
                                                                      • Who knows Hacka, in these weird times, if the ALP were to drop that as a policy then Abbott might go to the next election to bring in an ETS. You know, "Abbott saves Australia". "Abbott, nature's best friend", etc.
                                                                        Anything that is opposite the ALP.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Mr Ed
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Katoomba
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:35PM
                                                                        • If there was consensus with our trading partners Mr Ed, you might be right.

                                                                          Or even better - a bipartisan approach. Until both Labor and the Liberals can agree, there's unlikely to be a mainstream, agreed approach.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:37PM
                                                                        • @H - you seem to be in a good mood today....anything to do with the Tiger's win yesterday?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          davemac
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:41PM
                                                                        • I would say in a quiet mood - nothing to celebrate yet - she was a bit fast off the mark in chilling the champers last week

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Smirk
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:45PM
                                                                        • Didn't we have a bi-partisan approach (ETS) with Turnbull and Rudd a few years back??? Didn't Abbott stab Turnbull in the back and claim the LNP leadership to stop an ETS???

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Dan
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                                        • Always in a good mood davemac - yes three in a row was nice, but no finals once more. Who's your mob ?

                                                                          Dan - we did - and even Shorten admitted last week that the ALP tried to damage Turnbull too much which finished up blowing up.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Hacka
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Canberra
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:50PM
                                                                        • By the next election we will have gone through summers 2015 & 2016, both under an El Nino influence with summer 2017 promising to be just as bad with worsening droughts, bushfires and heatwave deaths. Then more evidence will be available that our trading partners are adopting measures to combat climate change and Australia will look even more isolated on the issue. All parties will be pushing a climate change policy with guidance coming from those policies proving practical and workable overseas, most likely an ETS which is what we could have had but were denied.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          mitch of ACT
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                      • Palmer is not totally ranting.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Daniel
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:37PM
                                                                        • Someone would teach him some fetching slogans. There is a vast, handsomely funded Department with an unending list to help out.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tony
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                                        • Clive not totally ranting? I think he might have a propensity, but he borrows from other people's ideas and spouts them out in a half-digested form. Sometimes you think "what on earth is he on about?" And you realise he is just like a performer in a rodeo jumping on and off a bucking beast and twirling his lasso above his head.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pluto
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:56PM
                                                                        • Pluto, perhaps he has a bucking dinosaur at Coolum, to practice for politics and the MSM scrum rushing to his beck and call.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 5:03PM
                                                                      • "Together we can achieve the extraordinary."
                                                                        It looks like Clive has caught sloganitis from Tony. Those behind the scenes huddles will do that.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Pluto
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 14, 2014, 3:43PM
                                                                        • Not long to go now - yeehaa

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Matty
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:46PM
                                                                          • To the DD? You beauty!!

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Tony
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:49PM
                                                                          • What DD?

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Matty
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:32PM
                                                                          • ...the one that your great leader referred to on his 2GB love in yesterday

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            davemac
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:45PM
                                                                        • We now have a situation where Clive Palmer is dictating policy to the LNP. Thankfully we will now get some slightly more balanced outcomes.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Reality
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:47PM
                                                                          • What do you expect? Clive is the true leader of the opposition after all.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Cwitty
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Sydney
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                        • So Shorten says any politician who wants direct action is 'a book burning denialist' Watch out Obama Bill is out to get you for using direct action on UsA power stations. Oh Bill, you've done it again. Now clean the mess off the sole of your shoe.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          enough is enough
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:47PM
                                                                          • EiE, no need to make it personal it just detracts from your comment. Most of the savings from the energy generation sector in the good ol USA will be met from state imposed taxes on carbon, many of them in the form of an ETS :)

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Reality
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:53PM
                                                                          • When did Obama tell US power stations to assemble a Green Army to go and plant a squillion trees?

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Spin on.
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:54PM
                                                                          • WW - do you mean a policy like the Carbon tax? I san interview with Albo the other day and he was asked what effect the carbon tax had on the climate? Strangely he was unable to answer. Wrong question he cried. Like anyone and everyone who supports the Carbon tax, they are unable to articulate exactly what the benefits will be.
                                                                            But when it comes the left, outcomes don't matter, as long as you have good intent.
                                                                            So tell us WW, what effect has the carbon tax had on the climate? If it were to continue what effect would it have on the climate?

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Pragmatic prince
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:07PM
                                                                          • @PP The benefits would be in showing leadership and being able to influence other countries to do the same. Then the real reductions will flow.

                                                                            Albo is right - wrong question, not about absolute decreases in global CO2 at all from Aus. How could it ever be with our population? So does that mean we do nothing? But that concept seems a bit too advanced for many, including your royal self it seems.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            davemac
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                                          • EIE, What effect would paying my tax have on government receipts? I can tell you the answer is buggerall.

                                                                            But the Government will still come after me if I don't pay my share because if I can get away with it, everyone else will want to as well.

                                                                            Same about the Carbon price. We all have to do our bit. It's made a big difference in how much carbon pollution we produce in Australia and ETS's and other market based carbon reduction schemes are taking hold all around the world.

                                                                            Claiming that we should not do our bit to address the greatest moral challenge of our time (yes, it still is despite rudd's moral cowardice) is an action of national parasitism. If you are happy to keep sponging off the rest of the world, that is up to you, but it is shameful that we have a national government that is out and proud for making this country a parasite.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:22PM
                                                                        • Latest Morgan Poll - July 5/6 & 12/13.
                                                                          3,955 electors Party

                                                                          ALP
                                                                          56.5%
                                                                          L-NP
                                                                          43.5%
                                                                          theres life in the cat yet.

                                                                          not much mind you

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          mirrorsofsmoke
                                                                          Location
                                                                          sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 14, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                                          • Shorten and Milne must be pleased with their creation, Clive Palmer. Can they please explain why they gave Palmer their preferences that got him elected? maybe one of the groupthink luvvies here can explain it because Milne and Shorten can't.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            enough is enough
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:50PM
                                                                            • EIE - Please tell me - what is a luvvie? Apparently I'm one and I need to know what it is....do I need to see a doctor?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              davemac
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 3:59PM
                                                                            • If they'd preferenced the Coalition ahead of him, we'd have lost the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, Climate Change Authority, Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Renewable Energy Target would probably be history as well. We'd have the GP co-payment and de-regulated uni fees. It looks like preferencing Clive was the least worst option.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Dags
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:05PM
                                                                            • Nobody created the Clivester.... they MINED him.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              David D
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Ettalong Beach
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:06PM
                                                                            • Whose creation? Uhh Nup, he's a Life Member of the Cons. One of the largest donors till the tiff. I'd hardly call him a creation of the left.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:08PM
                                                                            • EIE - you do know that CP comes from your side of politics.....right?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              davemac
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                            • EiE
                                                                              Seems like it was a stroke of genius.
                                                                              We got someone determined to keep Abbott to his word.
                                                                              If he was benign, Murdoch wouldn't be trying to crucify him.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Steve
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:20PM
                                                                          • As my local Federal MP Plibersek is a totally useless politician. The Sydney electorate deserves better from this ineffective MP.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            enough is enough
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:52PM
                                                                            • Swap you. She was mine until I moved. Now I have someone the Grabbalition newly hatched up.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              David D
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Ettalong Beach
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 3:58PM
                                                                            • and EIE what makes it even worse: a......a......a......FEMALE!!!!!!

                                                                              Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              davemac
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:00PM
                                                                            • You record of posts 'enough is enough' probably explains your feelings toward your local MP.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              RTP
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sawtell
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:01PM
                                                                            • Another of your totally objective comments EiE. Perhaps you ought to move to the lower north shore where you'll be surrounded your ilk.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              stevek
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:01PM
                                                                            • You will never get a local member you have any time for because they will always be Labor or Greens in that seat.

                                                                              I suppose your problem with her is that she is actually looking after the people who most need help, not cashed up whiners.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:08PM
                                                                            • Hey, you can have my local member. Captain Useless = Kevin Andrews. He probably explains why I am so anti this government - he is just the tip of the iceberg. But what did Paul Keating say - 'all tip and no berg'

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              JW
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Doncaster
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                            • JW, my sincerest condolences. Why do they keep voting for the faceless man, the back roomer. Large Catholic community, a large Goth community?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                                            • enough is enough.

                                                                              How lucky you are Julie Bishop isn't your local member - even the Chinese know she's a fool.

                                                                              But then again so is her boss!

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              fitzy of kogarah
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 5:25PM
                                                                          • 1 Carbon tax repealed.
                                                                            2 People smugglers boats stopped.
                                                                            3 Budget in place to restore growth and jobs all in six months, as Labors policy alternatives =0
                                                                            Keep cool Tony as your show of strength and steely resolve is reminiscent of our most successful Prime Ministers.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Garry of Melbourne
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:56PM
                                                                            • Wow....all in 9 months of government. Tony is the man. Now about that budget being 'in place'......

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              davemac
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:02PM
                                                                            • 4. Economy set back years.
                                                                              5. Environmental self-respect in the gutter.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              mitch of ACT
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:03PM
                                                                            • 6) International reputation trashed
                                                                              7) Car industry disappeared
                                                                              8) Commonwealth debt doubled

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              GOV
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:09PM
                                                                            • 6. UN agreement on the treatment of refugees ripped up
                                                                              7. Largest trading partner upset
                                                                              8. WWII war crimes called "honourable"

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              RobE
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                            • 7 Bills passed in seven months. No wonder Tony is running out of ideas. We'll be hitting double figures soon enough at this reckless pace.
                                                                              Gillard passed 127 Bills into legislation in 7 months.
                                                                              Go Tony. Are there some War memorials you can attend or something?
                                                                              He promised slow and methodical but seriously this is sad.
                                                                              At this pace we will never ever get back to 1950.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              GOV
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:14PM
                                                                            • Well I have plenty of environmental self respect and I am also chuffed that 4 ABC International gone! Despite the dirty tricks by Labor to vest it in perpetuity.
                                                                              Boy are some of you people going to really suffer when Labor loses at the next election.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Centurion
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                                            • Davemac. 9 months often means the labour [sic] pains begin. But on all cards they are giving birth to a monster. Their baby (The Budget and Repeals) set to be the toddler in the cot tossing the toys out, when they don't get their way in the Senate.
                                                                              More tantrums to come, no way will Clive be the rubber stamp, as they have learnt.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:34PM
                                                                          • "But aren't many of you concerned ? Carbon pricing has cost the ALP two Prime Ministers and an election."

                                                                            Therein lies the distinction between the ALP and LNP. The ALP will do what they believe is right for the country despite the cost. The LNP will pander to populism and do what is right for them to stay in power whilst achieving nothing.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            billsan
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Neverland
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 3:56PM
                                                                            • Touché, in a nutshell.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 3:58PM
                                                                            • because changing to kevin just before the election was right for the nation

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Cwitty
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:03PM
                                                                            • Which part of that shaky high moral ground are you standing on billsan - the Gillard part or the Rudd part ?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Hacka
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Canberra
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:16PM
                                                                            • Hang on! Hang on! Don't be in a hurry. Two Labor leaders and one Liberal leader lost their positions due to a tax that was going to benefit both the nation and the planet. If and when we don't see saving of $550 in our expenses not only will Abbott lose his leadership but his party will lose a lot of credibility with absolutely no worthwhile benefit. LNP will be destroyed from within not without thanks to Abbott.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Sensible
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:19PM
                                                                            • Yes a real difference all right and touche and all that, exemplified by the grand principles and selflessness shown when Jules and Billy stood right behind Kev when he announced the greatest moral challenge of our time - with knives in hand. Such principle, such interest of the nation at heart.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Green with Hypocrisy
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:20PM
                                                                            • Standing on History. Which was perfectly highlighted by your earlier comments.

                                                                              To the others you will notice that despite the internal machinations of was leading the ALP the policy to move from a price to an ETS was kept.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              billsan
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Neverland
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:29PM
                                                                            • We live in a democracy. If you can't sell a policy to the voters, you don't have a mandate to institute it. Siding with the Greens for political advantage, on a policy as important as the Carbon Tax, is not a mandate from the people.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Rodrigo
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:37PM
                                                                            • "We live in a democracy". Precisely. One part of that democracy is representative. This means you are there to represent those people who elected you on the platform you elected. If the constituency wanted the Government have carte blanche in terms of their "mandate" the Senate wouldn't look the way it does.

                                                                              Was there not previously a "mandate" to introduce an ETS? Why was that not respected?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              billsan
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Neverland
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:53PM
                                                                            • I'll take some of that back after the pathetic level of support for Bandt's motion. Neither of the cartel want decisive action on CC.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 5:21PM
                                                                          • Daddy Coalbucks finally comes to party, and it only took a week grandstanding before the inevitable happened.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            SteveH.
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:00PM
                                                                            • We might be leaving them an environmental disaster on probability, but it is 100% certain that we are leaving our children (sic) with a debt disaster without action. As long as both sides are trying to prevent future children disasters.. the kids are safe.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Cwitty
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:01PM
                                                                              • Pretty obvious that Clive Palmer has zero interest in what's best for Australia he just wants to create a fire then wants to be seen as a hero to put it out after half the house has already burnt down, I can't believe many are so naive & can't see it..

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Strewth
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:06PM
                                                                                • Beginning to see it now.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pluto
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:13PM
                                                                                • Bunkum, Clive does what he says he will do. Not like Tony Abbott who lies through his teeth.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Reality
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:16PM
                                                                                • @Reality. Don't all politicians have a tendency to bend, manipulate, stretch, the truth?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pluto
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:19PM
                                                                                • Bunkum, Clive does what he says he will do.
                                                                                  ------
                                                                                  An example of the naivity

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  napier48
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:23PM
                                                                                • Really

                                                                                  Now tell us what the carbon tax relief is worth per person per day. Go on, I dare you. Try 0.02 cents and 7 cents for a total of 7,02 cents. And you get no budget to fight climate change as a bargain. Isn't that just the cat's whiskers?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:26PM
                                                                                • Yeah , Clive is no saviour, but he will try to remain popular meaning he will not want to be seen directly damaging the economy, where-as Abbott doesn’t care and thinks that the public will just take whatever he dishes out cos he is entitled.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  QED
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:39PM
                                                                                • In that case he could double as PM and no one would notice.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Tony
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:52PM
                                                                              • @3.35pm….is that one of those funny Masonic type handshakes…..Chrissie's has been well and truly engulfed by Clivey's…one would think the Government should have the upper hand or is it all rather underhanded….gotta hand it to them!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                David Stephens
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Dromana
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                                                  • More likely Knights of the Southern Cross.
                                                                                    Both Catholic.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    A country gal
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:18PM
                                                                                  • And both of them look decidedly uncomfortable because they know it's all a show and a fraud, on both sides.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Pluto
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:23PM
                                                                                  • Ah ACG - my mother used to say there were George Pell Catholics and real catholics -- she was one of the latter - not sure about the Blue Ties Boys.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    MST
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:40PM
                                                                                  • MST, go back to Mannix. There lies your answer mixing religion with politics. An elderly mate (85+) Labor since he was 14- now heading Green, State at least, is convinced and not just with the Cons. Have a count up. Dave is also convinced on the complicity of Shorten and co.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    A country gal
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:52PM
                                                                                • Today the people of Australia were sold out for more pieces of gold.
                                                                                  Come November we can stark kicking out the Libs and Labor from positions of power and take our country back from corporate interests.
                                                                                  It's time to rid the house of the people once known as parliament of the two party system.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Cap'n Smith
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Full ahead
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:18PM
                                                                                  • What a day it's been. House of Reps achievements NIL. Go Tony. If you are saving Australia you better get of your bum and achieve something positive in your one & only term.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Wise One
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:18PM
                                                                                    • When is Tony Abbott going to replace Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister? Hockey will do, he gets along with the Chinese.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Sharron
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Canberra
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:20PM
                                                                                      • How about Clive - he'll be happy to eat Chinese every night

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        MST
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:37PM
                                                                                      • Silly me, I thought she was supposed to be the "best ever" FM? But the idea of Joe is not so good, he can't count. Th Chinese can.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Tony
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:47PM
                                                                                    • Err.

                                                                                      What is extraordinary is how people’s lives will be improved by 0.02 cents a day tax relief and as little as 0.7 cents per day carbon tax savings. One suspects Clive should take up selling snake oil.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:21PM
                                                                                      • more important pen. The lost cooling!!. I forget but you can tell us, how many degrees did the carbon tax save in extra global warming? I suspect the IPCC will have to re-do all f its models to account for the now lost cooling that the carbon tax was responsible for.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Cwitty
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:29PM
                                                                                      • Funny that Pen. Emma Alberici's thought the ETS was being sold by that same salesperson in her article yesterday. Star Wars seems a reoccurring theme lately, just like a lot of the Climate Change theatrics.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:37PM
                                                                                      • Witty

                                                                                        Lost cooling? When 72% of the earth's surface is water and the Great Antarctic Ice Shelf is melting, have you lost your reason, or do you need a brain prosthesis.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:45PM
                                                                                      • Pen. To Abbott winning is everything he doesn't really care how he got it or how much damage it will cause as long as he is winning. That all is matter. Well he got the number - for now. Hopefully it is not for too long. The tide will turn and when it does it will be a tsunami

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Mais51
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:03PM
                                                                                    • Stephen Parry may be busy. There are going to be a few Budget policy deaths that may require his expert services.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Reality
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:23PM
                                                                                        • Funny one Reality. I dare say there might be a few other policies he'll be burying, and as the Palmer presser has just confirmed, the carbon tax will be the first.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Hacka
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Canberra
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:25PM
                                                                                        • Somewhat hollow victory Hacka given the split bills and provisos but who am I to argue the one political achievement of an otherwise hollow man.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Reality
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:31PM
                                                                                        • Think you are waltzing now Hacka . . . we will soon see the reality of the horse trading on the Budget bottom line . . . and it is not a shade of black coming through

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          MST
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:35PM
                                                                                        • MST - no doubt that the next two years will be full of wins and losses for both sides, but this week looks like being a good one for the government, and the people.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Hacka
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Canberra
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:58PM
                                                                                      • This whole sad scene will take place in candle light, which is the kind of renewable energy approved by the Coalition.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Pluto
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:28PM
                                                                                        • And the Greens will bring along the sack cloths and the digging utensils.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Green with Hypocrisy
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:58PM
                                                                                      • I am feeling so rescued at the moment. Thanks Tony.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        GOV
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 4:32PM
                                                                                        • In my 72 years I have never seen such a pathetic, disgraceful, and inept performance as we seeing now by Clive Palmer. He is truly the most pathetic excuse for politician, in fact he equals Abbott.

                                                                                          I have never felt so disgusted and ashamed of my country's leadership as I do now.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:34PM
                                                                                          • Pen, I share your misery - and I have an extra 10 years to endure this - assuming we both live to the old age of ...82.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Mais51
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:57PM
                                                                                          • Pen, you left out Bob Brown. I hear he loves the new Alien movie.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            enough is enough
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 5:10PM
                                                                                        • Resign now tony abbott ! Before you destroy Australia !

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Ruckershill Lower
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          northcote
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 4:36PM
                                                                                          • Sheer and utter intellectual and moral laziness prevails in Australia once again.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            GOV
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 4:39PM
                                                                                            • If Clive visits Nauru you can be sure Angelina will follow.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Reality
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 14, 2014, 4:40PM
                                                                                              • 4.34pm: No Angelina; is Admiral Bumbles able to confirm or deny this? (Bugger, says Bumbles - I coulda got her to do a tourism spot, like Bungle..Bingle...you know)

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                David D
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Ettalong Beach (no commercials)
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 14, 2014, 4:44PM
                                                                                                • It's hard not to feel a bit of sympathy for the 80 at the ABC whose jobs are going, but it's very hard to feel any sympathy for the ABC itself.

                                                                                                  It's the end of another low point of the Gillard years, with the botched contract, botched process and the absence of any due diligence.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Hacka
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 4:44PM
                                                                                                    • Nothing stands in the way of Rupert. What he wants, he gets.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Tony
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:48PM
                                                                                                    • I imagine if you tried really hard, Hacka, you could feel some sympathy....but it*s probably not in your contract

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      David D
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Ettalong Beach (make it 80c/day)
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:50PM
                                                                                                    • Dear Hacka,
                                                                                                      I think using the horror and misery of people
                                                                                                      losing their lively hoods is an unethical comment ...if you remember an adult out of work is a family impoverished.
                                                                                                      An obviously, tired and lazy way to push your beliefs .

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      and sundry
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      croydon
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:02PM
                                                                                                    • Yes Hacka, the Gillard years. Riding roughshod over good governance and strategic planning. Wait till the ABC and SBS relocate to Parramatta to save $300million. Those savings can lock in a long term contract with Pepa Pig and provide a few more years of efficiency savings. It's a win win.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:02PM
                                                                                                    • Well it looks like if Rupert takes over the ABC o/seas service the Chinese will have their opinion that Australians are fools confirmed in a hurrry.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:03PM
                                                                                                    • Hacka
                                                                                                      .
                                                                                                      Sounds like you need a stiff forearm to the noggin from Brick With Eyes (Senator Lazarus) to knock some sense into you.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Master Blaster
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:09PM
                                                                                                    • Not in his DNA either . . . but in another 2 years he might be a bit more concerned about redundancies

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Really ?
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:09PM
                                                                                                    • Master Blaster - well right now i'm really enjoying the belting that the ABC received - they've worked hard for it.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Hacka
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Canberra
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:35PM
                                                                                                    • #Hacka one day you job in the lib government will be abolished too,

                                                                                                      And is there any chance I can get a figure on how many times #Hacka has been a negative soul on the Inetrnet

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      cant1205
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      canberra
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:29PM
                                                                                                    • Julia Gillard passed over 150 pieces of legislation in her first 7 months dealing with a hung parliament. Tony Abbott passed 7. Abbott is not fit to buckle Gillard's heels.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Citizen N
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:35PM
                                                                                                  • Julie Bishop must be doing a good job, she's got the Chinese trash talking her. Always a sign you have them just where you want them. Sort of like how ALP/Greens can only trash talk because they have no alternative policies or ideas. And then there is Clive from Qld. An electoral creation from Shorten and Milne.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:46PM
                                                                                                    • You and Sharron need to compare notes.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Tony
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:53PM
                                                                                                    • Merely expressing a widely-held view, I would have thought. Watching her stumble over her written answers to Dorothy Dix questions in the House is a hoot!

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Peter Cain
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:53PM
                                                                                                    • That looks like the end of any meaningful dialogue with China for at least 2 years. They don't entertain fools gladly.
                                                                                                      Alternative working policies the ALP/Greens come up with the Liberals trash for the basest political motives. No matter, sanity will be restored in 2 years.
                                                                                                      Palmer would not be there if Abbott had not made the last Parliament such a mockery that any pumped up self-promoting billionaire thought they could do a better job.
                                                                                                      Palmer rhymes with karma don't forget..

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:56PM
                                                                                                    • So Lady Asbestos has the pesky Chinese just where she wants them......why does the Black Knight from Monty Python spring to mind?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      David D
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Ettalong Beach (c*mon, fight!)
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:59PM
                                                                                                    • Alternative to what!!!???
                                                                                                      .
                                                                                                      The load of bollocks put out in the last budget. You'd love to hear an alternative to that pile of dung, I bet. But, its upto the government to govern, so stop asking for alternative policies as an excuse to mask the fact that the LNP has no idea.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Master Blaster
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 4:59PM
                                                                                                    • You do keep us amused EiE at the end of a long day. Have you considered a career as a novelist, you gave a few best sellers in you I reckon.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      davemac
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:05PM
                                                                                                    • Mitch of ACT@
                                                                                                      I think you would be an expert on fools.......you certainly think you are an expert on China...why?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Paul
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      brisbane
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:24PM
                                                                                                    • @Paul, I've had Chinese friends for years. In Canberra you get to have friends from everywhere.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:49PM
                                                                                                    • Julie Bishop has turned out to be one class act. She gets on with her job quietly and is a quiet achiever. So refreshing after the egos of Rudd and Carr.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Grace
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Canberra
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:06PM
                                                                                                  • Hacka, are you on drugs? No-one in Parly is talking ABC. In other news Chinese media has labelled our Foreign Minister Julie Bishop a complete Fool. Glad to see we are making an impression.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Reality
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:50PM
                                                                                                    • Are they wrong? Or is there something I have missed.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Both eyes open
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:10PM
                                                                                                    • And so you agree with the Chinese media? muppet..

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Paul
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      brisbane
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:21PM
                                                                                                  • In the end I think we'll find Clive Palmer is there solely to benefit Clive Palmer. People should not be too quick to jump on his wagon. Of all the new senators, I think Muir might be the surprise package honourable politician. It won't be Palmer.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Code Red
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:51PM
                                                                                                    • News flash Code Red. Clive is not a senator

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Reality
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:02PM
                                                                                                    • With you on Muir, he has been the target and lambasted unfairly IMO. He appears to be his own person and genuine. As for the rest of the rookies????
                                                                                                      Lambie will create a few headaches.
                                                                                                      Leynjhelm and Day ultra right.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:15PM
                                                                                                  • I take it from the gathering here of the government's agents that Pyne is dispensable and Bishop must be saved.

                                                                                                    To be fair, it's good judgement; they are going to be needing a deputy-leader after the next election but they won't be needing an Education Minister.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Peter Cain
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 4:58PM
                                                                                                    • But you have to ask how many will be left after the next election. Will the leader and deputy have to be the same person.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:05PM
                                                                                                    • Christopher Pyne will have opted for work in the private sector, or the way it is going, at least a leadership position at one of the major universities. The Chancellor of, fill the name of the institution yourself. I bet he is already working on it now.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pluto
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:18PM
                                                                                                  • Did I just see an item on ch24 that the gov't has shelved the Senate reforms. Is that a concession won by Palmer in exchange for the carbon tax repeal.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 5:00PM
                                                                                                      • Sounds a possibility.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pluto
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:05PM
                                                                                                      • Only to be re-introduced before the next elections. That's the plan, I'm sure, you'd be mad to trust anything this PM or his government promises or says.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Peter Cain
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:06PM
                                                                                                      • Hey Mitch

                                                                                                        The senate reforms were aimed at killing off minors and micro parties. They never had a chance of getting past Clive Palmer. Shelving them was probably a sensible thing.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Reality
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:08PM
                                                                                                    • I hope all Australians hold PUP and the LNP responsible when their power bills do not drop by $550. And remember any penalties extracted from power companies who do not pass on savings will only be passed back to all their customers in turn which is pretty lame too.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Both eyes open
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:07PM
                                                                                                      • Lets see if the Labor Party go to the next election with a carbon tax policy. It will be hard to avoid stating their true intentions this third time. 1st time they lied, 2nd time they simply answered questions to the media that they too would drop the tax, but failing to state they would have a similar price on carbon policy. This next election there will be no hiding for the Labor Party, they have too have the Carbon Tax or similar as a policy, the elecorate wont believe them this time if they state otherwise.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        taxpayer
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:37PM
                                                                                                    • Lady Asbestos a COMPLETE fool? Wild Bill Heffalump would not agree with that; (she aint complete, she hasn*t popped out any young uns).
                                                                                                      Have to agree with the Chinese (could never agree with Bill)

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      David D
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Ettalong Beach
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:08PM
                                                                                                      • Seems the Chinese are very well informed.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Tony
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:30PM
                                                                                                    • Why do the Greens keep putting up motions that nobody else will ever vote for? Their egos are monstrous and out if control. No respect for democracy.
                                                                                                      No wonder they won't be around much longer.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:15PM
                                                                                                      • It's called democracy EiE, look it up.

                                                                                                        After all, you are allowed to put up any old garbage you feel like.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        davemac
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:22PM
                                                                                                      • By putting up motions, even though they are rejected, the Greens have their policies on the record and can make the other parties the villains in knocking them back. In an electorate that has both Labor & Libs on the nose the Greens are an alternative for a protest vote. In the next election the vote for both major parties will be way down with the Greens, PUP & independents the beneficiaries.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        mitch of ACT
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:25PM
                                                                                                      • Check the polls - it seems to me that the mad right are really on the skids. Hence the hysteria from their spinners, I guess.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Luvvies doing OK, thank you
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:26PM
                                                                                                      • The Greens are elected to Parliament. They are entitled to put forward motions. The people with no respect for democracy are people like you, who declare that some people are more entitled to use their democratic entitlements than others.

                                                                                                        So typical of the right wing might-is-right mentality.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:26PM
                                                                                                      • To quote you "..trash talking.... Always a sign you have them just where you want them".
                                                                                                        Seems the Greens have well and truly got you rattled in that case.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Tony
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:29PM
                                                                                                      • Haven't you noticed eie - it's the moral high ground that they occupy that allows it - shame it's in Wonderland.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Hacka
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:30PM
                                                                                                      • You don't get do you, the whole point of The Greens isn't that they're aren't a party which does things in normal practical political sense.

                                                                                                        Their real purpose is to allow the chattering class to revel in a warm inner glow of moral superiority against the 'bogan' majority.

                                                                                                        In fact its better for them that little or nothing that they propose is ever put to the test.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        SteveH.
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:30PM
                                                                                                      • I have $1,000 that says the Greens will outlast Abbott as Prime Minister.
                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        Abbott is all smoke and mirrors.
                                                                                                        Turns out that the horse he is riding is a donkey, and while he is whipping it hard and passing the finishing post at the moment, there is still another two laps to go.
                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        EEEEEH, AWWWWWW!

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Master Blaster
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:34PM
                                                                                                      • The Lib's put up a motion for PM.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Peter Cain
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 6:01PM
                                                                                                    • Clearly there is a market in Canberra for prosthesis that is prosthesis for the brain. An odd chip, a few diodes to stop feed back and abundance of resistors all built on a reliable heat sink.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:17PM
                                                                                                      • Given the performances, the transplants have been occurring for quite sometime.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:54PM
                                                                                                    • Clive Palmer is the ringmaster with Milne and Shorten jumping at the crack of the whip. Unfortunately for the three of them, the audience has moved on. The Three Amigos of attention seeking and inflated egos.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:18PM
                                                                                                      • I can't see how you can say that Milne & Shorten are at Clive's beck & call. Wishful thinking on the part of the Liberal media managers perhaps. Tony, on the other hand, looks uncomfortable curled around Clive's little finger. He has set the precedent at being prepared to bend over backwards to get his unpaleatable bills through. Let's see how high he can jump with all of the Budget bills still to be passed. Clive is already the defacto PM.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        mitch of ACT
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:44PM
                                                                                                      • Are you sure you aren't from 'Bizarro Land' EiE? You know the one where John Howard (he of the core/non core promise) went to an election saying 'this election is all about trust'?

                                                                                                        About the only thing that explains the absolute rubbish you come up with.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        davemac
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:47PM
                                                                                                      • You must be in la la land to think that.
                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        Hunt and Abbott are the ones jumping to Palmer's demands.
                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        Yes sir.
                                                                                                        How high sir?
                                                                                                        .
                                                                                                        And what, oh great oracle, has the Australian public moved onto now? Please do enlighten us. Its obviously nothing that the government is talking about, because the governments plans stink.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Master Blaster
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:52PM
                                                                                                      • What now? Tony Abbott and his disciples boring us all silly with a new version of "axe the tax" ? Perhaps he'll shout ad nauseam "We axed the tax!" until the next election. That would truly be more than enough.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        MIchaelP
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:55PM
                                                                                                    • So new know what ABC news interns do.....send out propaganda messages against the government......very ordinary!! The ABC has become it's own political party.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Paul
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      brisbane
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 5:19PM
                                                                                                      • Power companies pass on savings? I'm laughing. I'm busting my sides laughing.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pluto
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 5:21PM
                                                                                                        • The only light touch was that applied to Greg Hunt between writing his thesis on emissions trading schemes being the most efficient and becoming Environment Minister.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Reality
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 5:22PM
                                                                                                          • Get ready....smug photo opportunity coming up....happy Liberals....pass me a bucket.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            davemac
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 5:23PM
                                                                                                            • I don't have a bucket big enough, how about a garbage bin.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              A country gal
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              July 14, 2014, 6:00PM
                                                                                                            • Q: What's this photo of, Pop?

                                                                                                              A: Oh, that's the day we had our last win in federal politics.

                                                                                                              Q: How did you know it was going to be your last win? How did you know to take the photo?

                                                                                                              A: We didn't.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Peter Cain
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              July 14, 2014, 6:48PM
                                                                                                          • It will be the shallowest of wins for a debased bunch of fools. Traitors to their children's future, and to ordinary decency.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            TareeDawg
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 5:24PM
                                                                                                            • Pen, why do you want to have an ETS linked to the failed Eropean scheme that cost $billions to create and is now disfunctionally worthless?

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              enough is enough
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              July 14, 2014, 5:25PM
                                                                                                              • If we spent a fraction of what Europe spends on climate change I would be happy. Spain has 54% Green energy, and Germany a simular amount. The UK is building Green power stations the size we can only dream about. You were saying?

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                July 14, 2014, 6:02PM
                                                                                                              • check this interview out PEN and tell me what you think about US and the EUROPEANS http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4042037.htm

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                cant1205
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                canberra
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                July 14, 2014, 6:25PM
                                                                                                            • 5.19pm: *Light touch* approach to recalcitrant energy suppliers? Was Greg Hunt trying to be deliberately punny? Or is he going to raid the senate closet and beat them up with the feathers Conmann the Bankarian is going to use on financial advisers?

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              David D
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              Ettalong Beach
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              July 14, 2014, 5:27PM
                                                                                                              • I met up with friends at the SCG on Saturday night to watch the Mighty Swans turn it on against Carlton.

                                                                                                                I had a big smile on my face and a friend asked me what I'd been smoking! I replied, with an even wider grin, that I was on the most incredible natural high brought on entirely by the certainty that this government's goose is dead, buried and cremated.

                                                                                                                Abbott's groveling pleas to people not to pigeonhole or stereotype his character and motivations was all the evidence I needed. It's over. It's just a matter of how long it takes for the closing scene to unfold.

                                                                                                                "Oh, happy days are here again, the skies above are clear again...."

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Peter Cain
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                July 14, 2014, 5:28PM
                                                                                                                • Anyone who votes for Palmer, Hunt, Abbott, the PUP and the Coalition will be committing an act of treason.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 5:31PM
                                                                                                                  • An act of suicide.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pluto
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 5:59PM
                                                                                                                • Does it really matter whether Labor review the amendments ? They'll still all vote no regardless.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Hacka
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 5:32PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka, do you get tired of peddling the same stance message after message, I don't mind it but one would think that your PM Tony could be making bad error of judgements. At least try and give a balanced view on whatever subject you decide to attack.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    cant1205
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 6:10PM
                                                                                                                  • Of course they will vote NO. The ALP knows full well that if the CT gets dismantled then they will have come up with another lie before the next election otherwise it would be political suicide to try and resuscitate the tax.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Morpheus
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Kevin's massive ego
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 6:21PM
                                                                                                                • “The Climate Institute chief executive said recent figures from the Energy Supply Association of Australia suggest the savings will total between $80 and $200.” Not the $550 per year per household promised by Abbott.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  July 14, 2014, 5:43PM
                                                                                                                  • “The Prime Minature and The Minister for “Enforced Disappearance” Scott Morrison have received their orders from the Prime Minister’s “Strategic Communications Branch"

                                                                                                                    Hacka is part of this 4.3 million dollar tax payer funded scam which trawls through the electronic and print media as well as social websites to ensure Abbotts indoctrinating spin is filtered out to the masses with the new mantra being "We have stopped the boats and we will stop the jihadists ".

                                                                                                                    Shock jocks Alan Jones and Australia's most biased commentator Andrew Bolt are given the script on a daily basis along with other journalists at Murdoch’s Herald Sun and The Australian.

                                                                                                                    The ABC & SBS have come under attack via the appointment of conservative members of the board such as Janet Albrechtsen a loyal Murdoch employee.

                                                                                                                    The ABC and SBS along with the AGE remain the only source of inconvenient truths for Abbott who prefers the cosy biased reporting of the Murdoch press.

                                                                                                                    “Enforced Disappearance” from our “unsettled land”

                                                                                                                    Howard, Peter Reith and Abbott found there is something about the boat people that has provided politicians with an exploitable issue that does Australia's otherwise commendable record on refugees no good."

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    George
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    East Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 5:48PM
                                                                                                                    • "he ABC and SBS along with the AGE remain the only source of inconvenient truths
                                                                                                                      "
                                                                                                                      If by that you mean the only source of hysterical puff pieces based on no-evidence what so ever (ie. suicide attempts in retention) as well as trade union mandated polling then YES, they are definitely the ONLY source.

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Morpheus
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Kevin's massive ego
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:18PM
                                                                                                                    • Haven't I read this post, word for word, somewhere else?

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Peter Cain
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:51PM
                                                                                                                  • I've noticed today a determined effort by the Liberal machine to post their propaganda. I take that as a sign that they are getting worried as there is so much to be concerned about. A carbon tax repeal that is subject to someone else's whim, a foreign minister declared to be a fool by our major trading partner, an economy on the skids and a majority of the Budget still not passed and unlikely to.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 5:54PM
                                                                                                                    • Really I've notice the same old names saying the same old things, nothing new at all.

                                                                                                                      Stupid is as stupid does.

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      SteveH.
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:10PM
                                                                                                                  • And what did we learn today?
                                                                                                                    You might find a lamb in the Manger.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    A country gal
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 5:57PM
                                                                                                                    • A roast lamb that is given his polling.

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:07PM
                                                                                                                  • So we see Abbott repealing the carbon tax and costing every Australian now and into the future. How have the Australian people been tricked to this extent? We want our children to learn that it is ok to ruin our climate and pass responsibility to future generations? Money over quality of life? Or just for a few.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Reality
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 6:00PM
                                                                                                                    • Don't worry, he'll wish he hadn't succeeded soon enough.

                                                                                                                      When a toxic tax on everything is abolished and people don't see a tangible improvement in their circumstances they will be reminded, as if they need it, that Abbott is liar and can't be trusted.

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Peter Cain
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:17PM
                                                                                                                  • What have we learned today? Don't trust Clive Palmer.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pluto
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    July 14, 2014, 6:07PM
                                                                                                                    • Third time lucky - presumably The Pulse will publish photos of any government hugs occurring in the chamber now the CT repeal bill has gone through again.

                                                                                                                      Let's hope that's the last time the HoR has to vote on it. Good riddance, best get that champagne back on ice.

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Hacka
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Canberra
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:09PM
                                                                                                                      • Hope you can put out bush fires with that this summer is going to test even Abbott's DIRECT action.

                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                        Reality
                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 6:44PM
                                                                                                                    • It is a real shame that the carbon tax will be repealed. The philosophical basis for the carbon tax is that pollution as an output of production should be taxed. It is irrelevant to argue that the carbon tax would have an insignificant effect on carbon emissions. If it were not such a serious and real issue, it would not matter that the carbon tax was meant to address climate change. It was intended to embed the concept that companies and people cannot continue to pollute for free. There cannot be a free market that takes no responsibility for the environment or to the ecology. The capitalist motives of self-interest and profiteering have triumphed over 2000 years of Christianity and 80 years of communism in the USSR. The carbon tax was meant to be a trigger to that self-interest to encourage companies and individuals to rethink their business models to be less damaging to the atmosphere. Perhaps Australia might have benefitted from the coming industrial revolution in alternative energy systems.
                                                                                                                      What is the real motivation for the seeming imperative to repeal the carbon tax, when there are so many other widely spread taxes and charges that cost people more? Is it fear of the unknown (climate catastrophes) or just a chance to attack environment supporters?

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Strangers are people too
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Canberra
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      July 14, 2014, 6:13PM
                                                                                                                      • Clive, make sure they stick to their word. You have been doing well so far.

                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                        Reality
                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                        July 14, 2014, 6:17PM
                                                                                                                        • So 3 times the carbon tax repeal bills have passed the Reps and 3 times the Libs have had the opportunity to replace the present tax with an alternative. And 3 times they have failed. That will be remembered by all those who care for their environment and the fate of future generations.

                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                          mitch of ACT
                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                          July 14, 2014, 6:21PM
                                                                                                                          • Clive would probably do deals with anyone if it advanced the cause of Clive.

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            Pluto
                                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            July 14, 2014, 6:29PM
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