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Politics Live: July 15, 2014

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  • Dutton @ 2.59 - The Hollowmen a Rudd/Gillard documentary? Considering the first episode came out in July 2008, and the plot lines involved, I think he has gone a government too far.
    Now that would actually make it a documentary, not a satire.
    Manana!

    Commenter
    Little Ray Ofne
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 15, 2014, 4:35PM
    • Peter Whish-Wilson says Senators should be legislating for the public interest, not "special interest".

      This is so true!!!

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 15, 2014, 4:27PM
      • Re: Tanya Plibersek. The amount of comments (and replies) today illustrate at least two things;
        1) she scares the hand knitted argyle socks off the Grabbalition and their acolytes.
        2) she has a huge groundswell of respect and support.
        A good thing. Now off to buy that leg of lamb (damn! wheres the green folding!)

        Commenter
        David D
        Location
        Ettalong Beach ($50 lamb kebab)
        Date and time
        July 15, 2014, 4:27PM
        • Tony's old boss says : "Tony couldn't seem to get the idea that a feature for The Bulletin had to be fair and balanced," Dale said on Monday. "I told him if he kept going like that he had no future on the magazine."

          Now that has to be the surprise of the century. Not. Demands it others, incapable of it himself. No wonder he is so on the nose with the electorate he mislead.

          Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-old-editor-says-he-lacked-fairness-and-balance-20140714-zt73r.html#ixzz37VzRqyRH

          Commenter
          Tony2
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:14PM
          • David Marr also published Dales comments previously....bit like the person who gives glowing (dodgy) references, and too late you find out he is underwhelming.

            Commenter
            David D
            Location
            Ettalong Beach
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:32PM
          • Tony had to re-write an article five times, his old editor said. The repeal of the carbon tax has had 3 goes so far, so 2 more are in the offing.

            Commenter
            mitch of ACT
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:35PM
          • I suppose the upside is that he wasn't asked to leave for breaching the trust of his work mates.

            Commenter
            Denny
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:54PM
        • Look at Clive getting cosy there with Pyne. What's next, will Gina buy a seat in parliament and "allow" repeal of the mining tax "after initial objections"? Will a tobacco billionaire and a grog merchant billionaire all buy their way into parliament and "allow" repeal of smoking and grog taxes "after initial objections"?

          Commenter
          Double Jeopardy
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:11PM
          • No problem with Fiona Nash!

            Commenter
            Tony
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:16PM
        • The picture of Shorten failing to get the call at the end of question time says it all of Labor, what's left of their front bench mimicking their leader like a pack of school kids all with mouths open wide, in tune, saying "oh no" this isn't fair.

          Commenter
          Garry of Melbourne
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:09PM
          • I thought it displayed a fear on the part of the Government to take another question to avoid being made too look worse than they already had.

            Commenter
            tasch2
            Location
            Mornington Peninsula
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:30PM
        • @ davemac.... funnily enough despite all the daily insult swapping on here about who is rubbish and who is great i think its pretty safe to assume that the vast majority of politicians on both sides of the fence do a lousy job and spend their lives talking crap. A sad state of affairs

          Commenter
          hodster
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:09PM
          • @h Sadly, I tend to agree with you.

            Commenter
            davemac
            Location
            Melbourne
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:16PM
        • Bronwyn Bishop is a disgrace to Australian democracy. The most biased and partisan Speaker in our history, she's a blight on our Parliament and should be ashamed of herself.

          Commenter
          MJ
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:06PM
          • I think she reflects Tony Abbott and his government perfectly. And you're absolutely correct.

            Commenter
            Tony
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:18PM
          • The real discrace is a system in which a senate candidate wins a seat with 0.5% of the vote. Must now bring in the 5% rule

            Commenter
            Brettie
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 4:19PM
        • If there is an extra sitting day does this mean they are entitled to extra allowances ?? Just because Tony can't run a chook raffle does not meant the taxpayer should have to foot the bill for his ineptitude

          Commenter
          Blue Ties don't do deals
          Date and time
          July 15, 2014, 4:00PM
          • I think that Bob Katter has taken his cue from the Japanese. Don't they take their shoes off before going into the house?

            Commenter
            Pluto
            Location
            Melbourne
            Date and time
            July 15, 2014, 3:59PM
            • I thought we had a Budget emergency - we can'ta fford to waste money by making the Senate sit longer - extra hotel bills and cost of changing flights - easy to see the LNP coffers aren't paying for this

              Commenter
              This Budget Stinks
              Date and time
              July 15, 2014, 3:56PM
              • Mark Dreyfus probably had something better to do anyway.

                Commenter
                Pluto
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                July 15, 2014, 3:54PM
                • Drefus was one of our better AG's. It sad to see how that very important role has been trashed although I do admire the current incumbent for his "lying rodent' tag.

                  Commenter
                  Tony
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 4:23PM
              • I’m voting for Rossi boots!
                The reason is if you live in Queensland and get out of your thongs into cheap imported boots and shoes you know they will rot and disintegrate on your feet.
                Is there climate change and effect on boots for the ADF?
                These men and women of the ADF deserve the best and Australian made and trusted.

                Commenter
                Koel
                Location
                Qld
                Date and time
                July 15, 2014, 3:54PM
                • There is no guarantee that foreign-made boots won't come complete with a tracking device.

                  Commenter
                  mitch of ACT
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 4:22PM
                • @ Sarah of Carnegie:

                  You have every right to comment but do please....

                  Get my drift?

                  Commenter
                  Jason of Gold Coast
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
              • Nice to see the Peoples-Choice Albo and DPM Truss having a laugh about Bill and Tanya playing musical chairs.

                Commenter
                Nulla
                Date and time
                July 15, 2014, 3:51PM
                • Why is Albo so smiley with Truss? Arent these guys meant to be political enemies? This indicates to me they are closer than the public think and there is no difference between the ALP and Liberal.

                  Commenter
                  Daniel
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:49PM
                  • You got it. They're all, yes ALL plotting against us in some way. We'll just never get it right with this election business.

                    Commenter
                    Pluto
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:56PM
                  • It's called courtesy. Look it up.

                    Commenter
                    Tony
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:57PM
                  • Each side can hate the policies of the other but that doesn't mean that they can't be friends outside of the political argy-bargy. You are right, though - ALP and Libs are two sides of the same coin.

                    Commenter
                    BC
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:02PM
                  • Politicians are usually friends with each other regardless of party. It is a job.

                    Commenter
                    John Casper
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:12PM
                  • I felt I had to reply to this and the answer is simple. Only the greens are a party of feral hate. The rest are people and get on ok as people.

                    Commenter
                    Matty
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:15PM
                  • Yep, it should never get personal. Even on this forum. Except for EiE.

                    Commenter
                    davemac
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:18PM
                  • @ davemac - you get my vote for comment of the day! EIEIO!

                    Commenter
                    Tony
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:20PM
                  • I am sure they are all friends in the end, no matter what is said during question time (well except for Tania). They are of the same profession so I am sure they love to get together and talk shop...

                    Commenter
                    Paul
                    Location
                    brisbane
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:41PM
                • I guess Anthony John has been held up apologising for his insensitive remarks over Honourable enemies at the service. Then a bit of a spiff up before the big night with the Boss.

                  Commenter
                  A country gal
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:47PM
                  • Jump, please that line is getting really tiring. Can't you lot come up with anything original? The vast majority of people commenting here are interested in politics and are the same people who have been commenting for years.

                    Commenter
                    adrian
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:46PM
                • The Seven (7) Deadly Sins of Tony Abbott political career committed to date:-

                  1. S
                  2. L
                  3. O
                  4. G
                  5. A
                  6. N
                  7. S

                  Commenter
                  Postgirl
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:45PM
                  • Omitted to add his Nine (9) heavenly virtues:-

                    1. H
                    2. Y
                    3. P
                    4. O
                    5. C
                    6. R
                    7. I
                    8. S
                    9. Y

                    Commenter
                    Luddite
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:54PM
                  • 8. A
                    9. N
                    10. D

                    11. L
                    12. I
                    13. E
                    14. S

                    Commenter
                    Double Jeopardy
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:08PM
                • Bob's got a shock of hair; but perhaps he should seek Minister Andrew's advice, which I'm thinking of doing after so many shop assistants ask: "Have you got a senior's card - love."

                  Commenter
                  Jason of Gold Coast
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:44PM
                  • Bob's got great hair.
                    Considering the Goth look is fraught with probs, you'll need to touch up regularly I'd rethink. mind you there's a lot of hair colour in PH these days and comb overs.

                    Commenter
                    A country gal
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
                • 3.24pm:...pssst I put a mouse in her drawer right next to the cane...

                  Commenter
                  David D
                  Location
                  Ettalong Beach (who gets detention?)
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                  • Cane you say? That should have all the ex boarding school boys a quivering!

                    Commenter
                    Tony
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:37PM
                  • no... they are both making fart noises!

                    Commenter
                    hodster
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:37PM
                  • Are they checking out the brand of broomstick????

                    Commenter
                    meganjj
                    Location
                    melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:38PM
                  • @3.24pm:...pssst I put a mouse in her drawer right next to the cane..

                    Psst! I put a mouse in her drawer,
                    right next to the cane.
                    It was delivered in jest, although
                    not quite in vain.
                    A jump at a squeak, would
                    render some blame,
                    Yes, you guessed it, that's right,
                    on Labor again.

                    Commenter
                    Jump
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:43PM
                  • Browyn's cane probably comes from the same company that produced all of 007's gear, so I would be very careful about getting to close!

                    Commenter
                    Pluto
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:46PM
                  • @Jump - that is clearly POD - Poem of the day.

                    Commenter
                    davemac
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:47PM
                  • Ahhh….I see her more as Madam Lash….nice touch of black leather with Bob Katter's boots!

                    Commenter
                    David Stephens
                    Location
                    Dromana
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
                  • Jump; Gold! Now 6 of the best!

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
                  • Jump, wins a prize.
                    Good one.

                    Commenter
                    A country gal
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 4:01PM
                • Suggestion for the Parliamentary Giftshop. Those postcards (@12.20) could be all combined and reconfgured to create a fantastic dart board. Am betting this would be a best seller!

                  Commenter
                  meganjj
                  Location
                  melbourne
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:33PM
                  • If basic economics were taught in the schools Abbott & co would not have made it onto the front bench. They would have been laughed off the hustings with their ridiculous version of economics. Their line was that govt's should manage their finances like households. To households savings are good and debt is bad. To gov't debt is a tool to be used to stimulate the economy in tough times, like the GFC, so that the economy continues to function and eventually produces sufficient surpluses to pay off debt and save. Failure by govt's to spend in the face of an economic crisis is what caused the Great Depression. Do we really want to go there again.

                    Commenter
                    mitch of ACT
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:31PM
                  • @mirrors - Don't forget, the $4.3million "spinners" who are paid to post.

                    Commenter
                    Jump
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:30PM
                • 3:24pm. Are they plotting to dethrone her? How very Medieval!

                  Commenter
                  Pluto
                  Location
                  Melbourne
                  Date and time
                  July 15, 2014, 3:29PM
                  • Plibersek in question time likens to a school girl at a rock concert all shout but no substance.

                    Commenter
                    Garry of Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:27PM
                    • Can't absorb more than 3 word slogans, eh? Sad that.

                      Commenter
                      Tony
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:30PM
                    • i refer the Learned Garry to the LNP women of susbstance - none of whom would be entertained in anyone's imagination as being a threat to the position of PM, becaue the LNP is tenaciously clinging to the 60's perception of women as servants, despite the "icon"" Margaret Thatcher leading the Tories 30 years ago. Allowing women positions of real authority is not in the private schoolboy/conservative student politician makeup - they can't conceive of it as a possibility, more is their loss, and Australia's loss generally

                      Commenter
                      rod steiger
                      Location
                      toukley
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:39PM
                    • I'm tipping Tanya as Labor leader at the next election. That should strike absolute fear into the Liberals. As a woman she will appeal and identify with the female electorate (52%) and a fair number of the men as well. She has none of the misogynistic & sexist baggage that the Libs threw at Gillard. Past events show that a woman unseated John Howard on her first go and Abbott lost to a woman as well. Third time won't be any luckier for the Libs. Go Tanya.

                      Commenter
                      mitch of ACT
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
                    • The LNP do personality politics pretty good for a mob without any. Well, of a likable kind anyway.

                      Commenter
                      Peter Cain
                      Location
                      Sdney
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:54PM
                    • The grand-mistress of feigning disdain, she'd interrupt someone asking to pass the salt.

                      Commenter
                      Green with Hypocrisy
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:04PM
                    • And there could even be an American female President by the time of the next election here if Tony, or whoever replaces him, staggers on to the last possible date for a local election. Go Hillary.

                      Commenter
                      mitch of ACT
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:17PM
                    • Shorten is wise enough to know that you don't distract the enemy when he is destroying himself.

                      Commenter
                      Peter Cain
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:27PM
                    • Sadly, good doctor, that's all they have - mindless slogans dreamt up by never-had-a-real-job mindless spin doctors. Even sadder we are forced to pay for these fools. But not for much longer.

                      Commenter
                      Tony
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:24PM
                    • Sadly, good doctor, that's all they have - mindless slogans dreamt up by never-had-a-real-job mindless spin doctors. Even sadder we are forced to pay for these fools. But not for much longer.

                      Commenter
                      Tony
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:24PM
                  • Unfortunately for Tanya, every time she opens her mouth the sillier she becomes.

                    Commenter
                    Alan
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:21PM
                    • Ohhh the Libs are threatened by intelligent women aren't they?

                      Panic setting in.

                      Commenter
                      davemac
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:25PM
                    • ..laughing herself silly at the antics of the *adults*. Sorry, your comment is facile.

                      Commenter
                      David D
                      Location
                      Ettalong Beach (Tanya for president)
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:27PM
                    • @davemac......He didn't mention the word intelligent

                      Commenter
                      Jack
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:32PM
                    • It would appear that Tanya is a threat to the LNP, watch this space for an all out assault. The poor frightened children really are bothered by women in power

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                    • @Jack

                      Love to see a Q&A where Tanya tears TA a new one, hang on he's to gutless to go on anything but Bolt or Jones, as he knows he can't string a coherent sentence together. Maybe Peta could sit upstairs pulling the strings.

                      Libs...if its not stacked in their favour, they can't handle it.

                      Commenter
                      davemac
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:38PM
                    • yes they were really worried by that other woman in power... gillard.. Do you remember what happened to her?

                      Commenter
                      hodster
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:42PM
                    • @Get Real. Too true. Definitely scared. Because their best, hardest working, performer on their own side is also a woman; and I'm not referring to the current occupant of the Speaker's chair.

                      Commenter
                      Pluto
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:44PM
                    • she couldnt tear into anyone. she lacks substance and at her best she just huffs and puffs and makes stuff up. So i guess that does make her a great politician!

                      Commenter
                      hodster
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:46PM
                    • Unfortunately Tanya isn't intelligent. She was the Housing minister who took homes away from Sydney's homeless to give them to international students.

                      Commenter
                      Nulla
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:49PM
                    • @hodster On that basis sounds like she'd be a natural for the Libs?

                      Commenter
                      davemac
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:50PM
                    • yeh, we renember hobbledster, Gilllard in one Term pushed through a hung Parliament more legislation of vision and growth for Australia than Howard did in 4 terms. Seeing as One Term's already nearly through the first year with SFA to show for it, I would say he may be going the opposite gambit, bidding open misere to win the hand

                      Commenter
                      rod steiger
                      Location
                      toukley
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:56PM
                    • Wow, a real set against Plibersek there, nullard! While you get your "facts" from The Australian (staunch supporters of the ALP that they are) try for some balance and read what the UDIA says about the NRAS. But then, balance wouldn't fit your narrative, would it?

                      Commenter
                      BC
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:00PM
                    • @ davemac.... funnily enough despite all the daily insult swapping on here about who is rubbish and who is great i think its pretty safe to assume that the vast majority of politicians on both sides of the fence do a lousy job and spend their lives talking crap. A sad state of affairs

                      Commenter
                      hodster
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:01PM
                    • @ bob reiger ( i can play games with names as well!)... I love it when people trot out the line of gillard passing 100s of pieces of legislation in a hung parliament... lets be clear she had a clear majority, Oakshott and Windsor were never going to side with the LNP from day one as they knew they wouldnt survive another election. The greens would also never side with the LNP . The majority of the 100sof pieces went through mostly unopposed. As for your comment about ground breaking and visionary legislation maybe i missed something but are you including the carbon tax and the MMRT in that?? hahaha.... or maybe the white elephant also known as the NBN? Or how about the Malaysia solution? What other little gems are you talking about?

                      Commenter
                      hodster
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:20PM
                    • please tear down Gonski and NDIS horridster - beacause that is alll the lnp seemcapable of - demolition, nothing constructive is within their feeble grasp - what has Sir Tony One Term managed in a year ? oh ye, knighthoods - risable

                      Commenter
                      rod steiger
                      Location
                      toukley
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:32PM
                    • 4:13pm: More LNP hypocrisy on show, the time from Mr Brandis "the way the west is moving". When it suits the agenda do it ey George, does that mean the LNP will do something meaningful about climate change or does that west movement thing not apply here?

                      Commenter
                      Pieron
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:33PM
                    • 4:32pm: Even more LNP hypocrisy this time add a bit of payback to your mates. Honestly ho would consciously vote this lot back in again.

                      Commenter
                      Pieron
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:35PM
                    • 4:35pm: Dirty little deals by the government of dirty little deeds.

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Location
                      Spinning our way to payback
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:39PM
                    • Better vanilla than having egg all over face by being caught out as a serial liar like bottom of the polls Tony.

                      Commenter
                      Appalling Libs
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:18PM
                  • woefull labour - you do understand the difference between labour and Labor don't you? Or that woefull (sic) is spelt with one "l" not two?

                    But you're right of course, for Australia's sake labour can't keep getting smashed by the LNP with their unfair budget, their cuts to health and education, their taxes on the poor and their handouts to the rich.

                    Commenter
                    RobE
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:16PM
                    • A bit of Gonski wouldn't go astray in the spin department. Shame they gobbled up all the budget in these emergency times so nothing left for schools. Or hospitals.

                      Commenter
                      Tony
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:29PM
                    • Ah yes Tony - gobbling up the budget with a gold plated PPL thought bubble and removing revenue raising measures like the MRRT and the carbon tax. But no matter - economists have now quashed the whole "budget emergency" scenario - looks like it was just another one of TA's lies after all.

                      Commenter
                      RobE
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                  • 3.05pm: Ole Surgical on FoFA "We intend to get rid of some of the red tape so it operates more efficiently and more smoothly." ...smoother than your wallet sliding into Fagins overcoat.

                    Commenter
                    David D
                    Location
                    Ettalong Beach (more please)
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:14PM
                    • By the way, Clive Palmer's changes which the government looks set to accept will impose a whole stack more red tape on the industry.

                      Commenter
                      The Banker
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:29PM
                    • Yes,@David D, just as Howard/Costello fixed the red tape in 2005 and created the Australian Energy Regulator that has caused the rapid increase in electricity prices since approximately 2009 (NOT the Carbon Tax - see following article - http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/july/1404136800/jess-hill/power-corrupts).
                      Red Tape generally gets created as a result of transgressions of the existing rules and regulations by unscrupulous people/businesses. So, with no red tape, open slather for those who dwell on the wrong side of the law/morality.
                      Should suit this lot down to a "T".
                      Manana!

                      Commenter
                      Little Ray Of Sunshine
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 4:12PM
                    • Judging by today's performance Tony would have no such worries, for however bad he is the dolts in his team would appear to be worse.

                      Commenter
                      Get Real
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:13PM
                  • Amazing isnt it but not at all surprising , these idiots in power want to blame every financial woe on one tax brought in by the previous government.
                    Just what excuses are they going to use when Hockey's true financial ineptitude becomes clearer and Australias economy suddenly doesnt improve in leaps and bounds as they claim it will.
                    Never mind the fact that Australias leading banking economists have said this week their is no budgetary crisis in this country at all and the worlds leading economists have been saying this for god knows how long.

                    Perhaps Abbott and his team think all of Australia only listen to or read the likes of Bolt, Jones ,Hadley and Murdoch's team of right wing zealots for their financial information and news.
                    They must believe this if they expect people to be taken in by their ignorant performances in todays parliament.
                    The gullible on here seem to swallow their every utterance hook line and sinker.

                    Commenter
                    mirrorsofsmoke
                    Location
                    sydney
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:13PM
                    • @mirrors - Don't forget, the $4.3million "spinners" who are paid to post.

                      Commenter
                      Jump
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:30PM
                    • If basic economics were taught in the schools Abbott & co would not have made it onto the front bench. They would have been laughed off the hustings with their ridiculous version of economics. Their line was that govt's should manage their finances like households. To households savings are good and debt is bad. To gov't debt is a tool to be used to stimulate the economy in tough times, like the GFC, so that the economy continues to function and eventually produces sufficient surpluses to pay off debt and save. Failure by govt's to spend in the face of an economic crisis is what caused the Great Depression. Do we really want to go there again.

                      Commenter
                      mitch of ACT
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:31PM
                    • Jump, please that line is getting really tiring. Can't you lot come up with anything original? The vast majority of people commenting here are interested in politics and are the same people who have been commenting for years.

                      Commenter
                      adrian
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:46PM
                  • 3:07pm: It would seem the Chinese were spot on in their assessment of Bishop. Pity the Australian public took so long to catch on.

                    Commenter
                    Pieron
                    Date and time
                    July 15, 2014, 3:12PM
                    • Class act Bishop minor - BS returns from a funeral and you hop right on in. You are lightweight.

                      Commenter
                      davemac
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:11PM
                      • All class. Ask the Chinese.

                        Commenter
                        Peter Cain
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:43PM
                      • Typical BS, run from a funeral to try and jump in front of the cameras before the end of QT. Reliving his days as an ambulance chaser at Beaconsfield.

                        Commenter
                        Nulla
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:52PM
                      • Like Shorten didn't go to Beaconsfield to promote his own profile, class hypocrites.

                        Commenter
                        Green with Hypocrisy
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:58PM
                    • Funny how Labor had even worse to contend with yet had over 120 pieces of legislation passed in the same timeframe... LNP has 7... :/

                      Commenter
                      Paul
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:11PM
                      • Yeah they have some people with a modicum of negotiation skills amongst theirv ranks!

                        Commenter
                        meganjj
                        Location
                        melbourne
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                      • Is it some sort of race or competition to legislate?? Volume does not always equate to purposeful outcomes. Point in question....6 years of labor legislating like crazy tying business up in red tape. Its going to take the adults time to rectify the kids mess.

                        Commenter
                        Bp13
                        Location
                        Coogee
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:53PM
                      • And that is the problem we face. The worthiness of legislation is not measured in inches of the ever increasing pile of red tape.

                        This is very much a case of volume NOT equaling quality!

                        Commenter
                        Andie
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 5:35PM
                    • Just goes to show that even as the repeal of the CT is about to happen, they still rabbit on the same ol rubbish in QT. It's done, move on, Labor will fix it up in 2 years, how about actually trying to run the country in the meantime??

                      What will they have to dixer themselves with when it's gone?

                      A party without vision, without policies, without leadership, without inspiration, just spin, spin, spin. Flat track bullies who aren't even going to see the bus than runs them down.

                      Commenter
                      davemac
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:10PM
                      • "Stop the boats"
                        "Repeal the tax".
                        Only one to go "fix the debt".
                        Realistcally you can bitch about that you hate everything conservative but they are at least trying to do what their election platform stated. They will just have to wear the way they have gone about it. They clearly have lost the moral high ground that they had pre election. Electors will decide in about 2 years but no one will look at this forum deciding who the will vote for.

                        Commenter
                        Brettie
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:24PM
                      • I actually don't hate the Libs per se and felt that Labor deserved to lose the election for their lack of party discipline (but didn't vote that way). I hoped that Abbott would at least be no worse than Howard, who at least did a few good things (he forever has my admiration for gun control) and seemed to have vision.

                        I'm trying to find positives with this mob but honestly can't. They are clearly governing for the big end of town and their mates, I don't hate Libs, just most of the ones in power at the moment, but many of them are following a narrative, I suspect under a different leader many would be quite reasonable.

                        Commenter
                        davemac
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                      • Ok I'll lead them.
                        How much does it pay?
                        My first platform will be not to ban Essendon again so close to the finals

                        Commenter
                        Brettie
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:40PM
                      • @Brettie - I'd vote for you on that platform!!!!

                        Commenter
                        davemac
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:48PM
                    • Little Billy rushing back. Doesn't want Tania to show everyone how vanilla he is.

                      Commenter
                      Sarah of Carnegie
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:09PM
                      • @Sarah. Seems the electorate prefer that "vanilla" to the "LNP strawberry" - to around 10 points or more - according to the polls.

                        Commenter
                        Jump
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:13PM
                    • Finally the people without self interest are in charge. They will always be rich so don't bother trying to change it, just learn to live with it. The left is looking very tired and very angry. Lighten up this is the greatest country in the world. Bye bye useless, moronic carbon tax.

                      Commenter
                      The Patriot
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:09PM
                      • Well we could lay claim to that before Sept 2013 at any rate.

                        Commenter
                        davemac
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:12PM
                      • The Patriot, it still is the best country in the world but your party of choice is working hard to make this just another laissez faire capitalist shit-hole that will entrench the entitled.

                        Other than gun control, find me a half dozen things a conservative Government ever did to make this a better place?

                        Commenter
                        jofek
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:16PM
                      • Jofek – For me it’s not about what LNP did in the past that was good for the nation because although I agree there was very little, I’d vote for Howard over Abbott in a heartbeat! Abbott is a new breed of far right neo-con. It’s one thing to be pro-business, but Abbott is on a mission to give in to every business / rich person demand possible.

                        We have not yet become “another laissez faire capitalist shit-hole that will entrench the entitled”, but Abbott is working on it. Reminds how Thailand for example had a PM who made government rulings to better his own financial position, whereas we have a PM making policies for the rich. Only one step away from a banana repuplic.

                        Commenter
                        QED
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:48PM
                      • QED, agree with every point you make. I'm not about to trust our rich masters to do the right thing because 'they have no vested interests and know what is best for us'.

                        Having said all that, maybe The Patriot was taking the piss.

                        Commenter
                        jofek
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 4:05PM
                    • I feel underwhelmed after QT. What a drab government it is when it's sitting still.

                      Commenter
                      Peter Cain
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      July 15, 2014, 3:08PM
                      • I wonder if the coalition (the worlds "BIGGEST" environmental vandals) will put 2x2 together and blame boat people on the carbon tax

                        Commenter
                        Tim
                        Location
                        Inner City
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:08PM
                        • And GPs, nurses, scientists, academics, the ABC, teachers, schoolkids, pensioners, the unemployed, the sick, the disabled, the dying even, you name it they'll blame it.

                          Commenter
                          Pluto
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 3:17PM
                        • If only we could have turned back that 1950s boat and saved us from THE WORLD'S BIGGEST LIAR of a PM

                          Commenter
                          Appalling Libs
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 3:20PM
                      • Worlds most expensive Paid Parental Leave policy while were in this "budget emergency"?..how can that be???

                        Commenter
                        Steeden
                        Location
                        Ballina
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 3:07PM
                        • It can be because you have to keep your friends in high places happy.

                          Commenter
                          Pluto
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                        • Tell us more oh wise EiE....what else to you fortell?

                          Commenter
                          davemac
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:59PM
                        • nuffity, the thing umm err ... the thing ... err about ...umm.. Bill, is err ... that he can you know, just talk in ....err .... umm... ahhhhhrr .. a sentence.. you know? Bill just... talks... in ... a sen.....errrrrrr... tence. Just the ...aaaahhhh.. once.. Say something once....umm .. why say .. it eeeerrrrr.. again? When I've ..aargggghhh... said something errr ... my lips ...errr ... are sealed ... whether i'm in er.... Japania..., or Canadia...

                          Commenter
                          rod steiger
                          Location
                          toukley
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:57PM
                        • Yes they willbe gathered around mumbles Tony and his totally enlightening story on the budget emergency.

                          Tony: Uhhh urrgh there ihhh uuuhhhn yeeeaaah a budget errr I ahhha saay againn a errr ahh uggh budget emr snoooooore

                          Commenter
                          Get Real
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:56PM
                      • Dutton is one of those types who sees a Dorothy Dix as an opportunity to denigrate people.

                        Even Abbott takes time out to blow his own trumpet, Dutton doesn't even change stride.

                        Commenter
                        Peter Cain
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                        • It is just too tempting when the worst Minister for Health and the worst Minister for Housing in the history of the Australian parliament is sitting across from you.

                          Commenter
                          Nulla
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 3:09PM
                        • Yes, but despite that temptation, nullard, Tania doesn't stoop to their level.

                          Commenter
                          BC
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 3:23PM
                      • And, Craig Kelly's dixer "world's biggest... tax".
                        'Tis beyond a joke now.
                        LNP are putting their motivation of manipulating the public on full display today:
                        Propaganda, manipulation and deceit.

                        Commenter
                        Jump
                        Date and time
                        July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                        • wow... can labour keep on getting smashed like this and even think of getting back into power.... what a disgrace they are ..... embarrassing....

                          Commenter
                          woefull labour
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                          • Smashed like what? You mean a farcical question time presided over by the most biased speaker in history?

                            Ha......ha.......ha.......ha

                            Commenter
                            davemac
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:57PM
                          • Simple answer ` yes? Check the polls. More pertinent question - can our lying PM limp though before being wiped out like Whyallah at the next election / DD? Not very likely!!

                            Commenter
                            Appalling Libs
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:14PM
                          • davemac@ maybe the opposition is the worst behaved in history?? Their actions are a disgrace...

                            Commenter
                            Paul
                            Location
                            brisbane
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:17PM
                          • While we're making inane comments - it's 'woeful'; I'll have more time for you if you can spell your own screen name correctly.

                            Commenter
                            jofek
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:23PM
                          • No @Paul, The last Opposition left them in the shade. Just had a fairer speaker.

                            Commenter
                            davemac
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:23PM
                          • Next you'll be telling us Hockey is a brilliant performer and those who laugh at Turbull's jokes don't hate his guts.

                            Commenter
                            Peter Cain
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:23PM
                          • Filling in for BillR today jofek?.

                            Commenter
                            SteveH.
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:35PM
                          • SteveH, if 'woefull labour' is going to make inane comments I am going to respond in kind; thank you for joining our inane throng. Are you stereotyping BillR; how very unfair?

                            Commenter
                            jofek
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 4:08PM
                        • Judith - the LNP are in election mode as they have nothing else to say . . . but references to 2016 might be wishful thinking - September 2014 looking more likely every day.

                          Commenter
                          Get on with it Boys
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:53PM
                          • Maybe they are just preparing for any potential DD. Like covering yourself and hammer on that Labor not the answer either!

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                          • NSW ICAC resumes in September, more than a few LNP types may be too busy to run the campaign.

                            Commenter
                            Peter Cain
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:15PM
                          • Wow, let's hope so SofC.

                            You really haven't seen the polls, have you?

                            Commenter
                            davemac
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:20PM
                        • I'm over the Carbon Tax debate. I do agree if Labor try and campaign on it in 2016 for bringing it in they won't win Government.

                          Commenter
                          Sarah of Carnegie
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:53PM
                          • Labour campaigned to abolish it in 2015 - but the LNP don't seem to get that

                            Commenter
                            Get on with it Boys
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:57PM
                          • They will campaign on an ETS you do get that don't you! After the debacle that is the Abbott government and the CT lies they will be a shoe (or boot) in. But hey keep up with the LNP spin and twirl line it appears to be working so well for you. Opinion polls anybody.

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:59PM
                          • Get real - Labor cannot get the message right on ETS. Besides I think they are going to lose some of their supporter base to PUP. Cause, there seem to be a few luvvies that love Clive!

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:04PM
                          • Sarah!! You have seen the opinion polls haven't you surely you have, you know the ones where Sir Mumbles of Spinville is falling further behind. Pretty sure the general public have seen enough of this LNP rabble.

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:07PM
                          • Get Real - I have. But as Labor always bleats on, the only poll that matters is the one on election day.

                            Commenter
                            Sarah of Carnegie
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:11PM
                          • Problem is @SofC, the electorate isn't as dumb as the Libs think. They mis-took 'dump the tax' for general agreement that CC isn't a problem and hence the imagined 'mandate' to rollback anything you can't dig up and burn. I think we not likey that.

                            Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

                            Commenter
                            davemac
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 3:17PM
                        • Hockey on FOFA: Labor's laws are a mess and not working, apparently, so they aren't worth keeping.

                          Forget the mother-in-law, that's an alibi. They are going to push this all the way. Because "our reforms are sensible" and "our reforms deliver"....

                          If Clive lets this through he's buggered.

                          Commenter
                          Peter Cain
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 15, 2014, 2:52PM
                          • The slogan of the day is 'worlds biggest carbon tax'. Made that up in the week the tax will be repealed and the LNP members are now dutifully repeating it ad nauseum.

                            Commenter
                            Dr Bombay
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:51PM
                            • Sadly, good doctor, that's all they have - mindless slogans dreamt up by never-had-a-real-job mindless spin doctors. Even sadder we are forced to pay for these fools. But not for much longer.

                              Commenter
                              Tony
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 3:24PM
                          • Just expanding on an earlier reply...Why doesnt the Australian parliament consider reforming question time to something similar to the U.K version. Maybe up to one hour 3 times a week with no dixers,and an independent Speaker that ensures answers are relevant and that order is kept. Ive been here 8 years and its been a joke to watch both sides totally abuse the process. In the U.K its relatively enjoyable to watch, over here its a farce and an embarrassment to watch no matter what side of the political fence you are.

                            Commenter
                            hodster
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:48PM
                            • Yes please!!!!!!!

                              Commenter
                              davemac
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 2:56PM
                            • Completely agree - NSW Parliament is the same.

                              Commenter
                              Brenda
                              Location
                              Sydney
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 3:26PM
                          • I always admire scientists who spend their whole lives searching for cures for terrible diseases. Often unrewarded and without press coverage. And right now I'm watching and listening to Christopher Pyne in QT. Ho hum.

                            Commenter
                            Pluto
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            July 15, 2014, 2:48PM
                            • When will these dysfunctional Labor MPs learn? Behave or you will be booted out. You don't see the Liberals or cross benchers going to the sin bin at the same rate as these cheap second rate comedians who masquerade as politicians.

                              Commenter
                              Piped Piper
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 2:47PM
                              • Do you think the cheap second rate biased speaker has anything to do with it.?

                                Commenter
                                Get Real
                                Date and time
                                July 15, 2014, 2:51PM
                              • im glad you can easily swallow the lies of pyne et al.

                                In typical liberal party form if they dont like the question, comment ,opinion or scientific fact they get rid of it and then pretend it doesnt exist,
                                And Bishop would have to be the most shameless biased speaker this house has ever seen.
                                She is a disgrace to the position.

                                Commenter
                                mirrorsofsmoke
                                Location
                                sydney
                                Date and time
                                July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                              • Booted out by Delores the rabid recycled reactionary from the senate? I dont think it gives anyone nightmares.

                                Commenter
                                David D
                                Location
                                Ettalong Beach (kerosene skin lotion)
                                Date and time
                                July 15, 2014, 3:07PM
                            • I can just see the moribund looks of those seated with Shorten tonight. Hearing Shorten drone on about the Càrbon Tax and how good it is for Australia. I can see empty seats around him come desert time.

                              Commenter
                              enough is enough
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 2:46PM
                              • Keep dancing . . . a backwards tango would be just the ticket

                                Commenter
                                Dancing Girls
                                Date and time
                                July 15, 2014, 2:51PM
                            • Some things don't change. Least of all the spots of the member for Mackellar. Ugly bias from beginning to end.

                              Commenter
                              Whyalla Wipeout
                              Date and time
                              July 15, 2014, 2:46PM
                              • Cor blimely, Hockey knows how to blow a 'fake fuse' over the 'fake economic crisis'...

                                Commenter
                                Jump
                                Date and time
                                July 15, 2014, 2:45PM
                                  • Yes, he's good at working himself up into a lather - he never used to be like this until Abbott got his claws into him.

                                    Commenter
                                    davemac
                                    Location
                                    Melbourne
                                    Date and time
                                    July 15, 2014, 3:05PM
                                • I've seen and heard a lot of second-raters in politics over the past 40 years and Joe Hockey is close to the worst I've seen at hiding it.

                                  Commenter
                                  Peter Cain
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  July 15, 2014, 2:44PM
                                  • I think Barnaby could be suffering a condition which causes one's face to flush.

                                    Commenter
                                    Jason of Gold Coast
                                    Date and time
                                    July 15, 2014, 2:43PM
                                    • So Rossi was too expensive . . . surely that would change once the Carbon Tax was removed and if not why not ??? This is the saviour to the economy according to Tony Truthless

                                      Commenter
                                      Blue Tie Shonks
                                      Date and time
                                      July 15, 2014, 2:43PM
                                      • Wow - I can't believe even the Liberal Party Dancing Girls could have written Hunt's little ditties today - the Taxpayer is actually paying someone to write this rubbish ??? Oh dear Greg, oh dear indeed.

                                        Commenter
                                        Blue Tie Shonks
                                        Date and time
                                        July 15, 2014, 2:41PM
                                        • Judith, they would probably be about as knowledgeable and literate on the subject of the hairy-nosed wombat as they are on the Carbon Tax and just about everything else they touch.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pluto
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          July 15, 2014, 2:40PM
                                          • 2:29pm: Poor old Greg he doesn't know the difference between the CT and an ETS. Would somebody please remind him of his thesis!

                                            Commenter
                                            Pieron
                                            Date and time
                                            July 15, 2014, 2:38PM
                                            • omg - this government is ridiculous.... what lies they continuing perpetuating.

                                              Commenter
                                              Lynda
                                              Location
                                              Avalon
                                              Date and time
                                              July 15, 2014, 2:36PM
                                              • You forgot to add the word "biggest" in your statement - since that is the LNP
                                                'word of the hour'.

                                                Commenter
                                                Jump
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 2:51PM
                                            • You can see/hear the LNP adding the spin as they go... They're now calling it the 'world's biggest carbon tax'.

                                              Not surprising really, when the LNP government has been telling the 'World's Biggest Lies' (No cuts to health, No cuts to education, No cuts to ABC/SBS, etc).

                                              Thanks to Sharron's inside information, we can ask Hacka to keep pumping those pedals harder during the "spin classes" - so that we may pinpoint exactly where this
                                              ''language mangle'' comes from.

                                              Commenter
                                              Jump
                                              Date and time
                                              July 15, 2014, 2:36PM
                                              • And now Pyne get's to answer a dixer that included the "biggest...tax, language mangle".
                                                Ha! That they are trying to manipulate the use of language in front of our very eyes is totally laughable. Propaganda in FULL VISUAL (aural) DISPLAY.
                                                Shame on you guys in the 'spin classes'.

                                                Commenter
                                                Jump
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 2:49PM
                                            • Old Warren's looking older than yesterday, said sincerely, with no ageist intent.

                                              I do think, however, he's a reasonable, honourable person.

                                              If only he was to represent his constituents a little better, though, rather than complying to the Tory line.

                                              Commenter
                                              Jason of Gold CoasT
                                              Date and time
                                              July 15, 2014, 2:35PM
                                              • No ageist intent. It must be a tough life being a politician. I mean working out ways to tell big and little lies, and keep the public onside, must be hard going.

                                                Commenter
                                                Pluto
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                                              • Agree, he is a good man. But, like Turnbull, there comes a time when you have to judge a person by the company they keep.

                                                Commenter
                                                Peter Cain
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 3:00PM
                                              • @Peter Cain. Very true. And doubly true considering that the 2:05pm photo is of Scott Morrison!

                                                Commenter
                                                Pluto
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 3:13PM
                                            • Here comes the defence of the indefensible from Truss, and it's all Labor's fault that the LNP's budget is a farrago of lies and deceit.

                                              Commenter
                                              Peter Cain
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              July 15, 2014, 2:35PM
                                              • Hunt's answer @2.29 shows he doesn't understand how the current system works.

                                                Under current scheme, this time next year the carbon price would be about a quarter of what it is now.

                                                Even using Abbott's rubbery figures this would be an impost of about $3 a week for the average family.

                                                Commenter
                                                The Banker
                                                Date and time
                                                July 15, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                • 2:10pm: Glad to see the LNP continue with the confusion over the Carbon Tax repeal. So will one of them at least answer how it will help manufacturing?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pieron
                                                  Date and time
                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                  • Without intent of being sexist, Bishop, B reminds me of my primary headmistress, who, unlike the Speaker, was at least, endowed with a sense of humour, compassionate, whilst being authoritative, having received from her six of the best, but only once.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Jason of Gold Coast
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 15, 2014, 3:06PM
                                                • also figuring the nurses $7 note has more cred that TA too

                                                  Commenter
                                                  BarbC
                                                  Location
                                                  Melbourne
                                                  Date and time
                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                  • All hail the agricultural socialist Bob Katter complaining about boots being made overseas. Thats what happens when you have a heavily unionised work force and a carbon tax that pushes up the cost per unit. Don't pin it on the Libs, we have a budget crisis.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Piped Piper
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                    • The LNP has a budget crisis of its own making.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      tasch2
                                                      Location
                                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                    • That is why they have a 37 strong department of spin and how much did the new curtains and cushions cost? Yep budget emergency all right! Will also be watching the price of Rossi boots once the CT is repealed, or will it be like other companies and the costs not passed on as this is all one big LNP hoax.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Pieron
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:36PM
                                                    • Really - whose following you?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      NickB007
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                    • PP on this one I think you are all hot air and hobnail boots.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      David D
                                                      Location
                                                      Ettalong Beach
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                    • Irrespective of costs, governments of both stripes have always said that they support Australian industry of a priority. However, just like everything else, this current government mouths the words, but their actions show they have no concerns about supporting the people that elected to govern.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      SteveII
                                                      Location
                                                      Canbeera
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                    • So without the Unions and the Carbon tax we'd be able to make boots just as cheaply as China? I don't think so. We can't possibly compete on the low wages front and we shouldn't want to.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      JLD
                                                      Location
                                                      Melb
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:40PM
                                                    • So the LNP has now been in power for over 9 months and all it can manage is to break promises and blame Labor for everything.
                                                      Bring on a DD election and we will truly see how the voting public views the performance of the incumbents. I think they will be queuing up to buy some of those Rossi footwear to firmly boot the Coalition out of power.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      stevek
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                    • I bet it's because they are made in SA- a Labor state. That's how trivial and pathetic they are. SA is already suffering with job losses and they just add more.
                                                      Govt should be setting an example and supporting Oz industry. They pay taxes, OS firms don't.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      A country gal
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 3:21PM
                                                  • 2:16pm: Do you think Dutton has serious understanding issues, this party is full of non answers but surely that takes the cake.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Get Real
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:25PM
                                                      • In a government of lazy sods, Dutton is Olympic standard.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Peter Cain
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:31PM
                                                      • bibblety bobblely bubble de bubbley thoughts ****
                                                        Nature abhors a Vacuum, so it fills with all sorts detritus
                                                        but Nature also loves order, so she calls in Winston Wolfe the Vacuum Cleaner, with his super effective DD bleach

                                                        Commenter
                                                        rod steiger
                                                        Location
                                                        toukley
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:48PM
                                                    • I see Joe is having a crack at ASIC.

                                                      Errr.... shouldn't he be having a crack at the CBA instead? And maybe even his mates David Murray and Ralph Norris while he's at it.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      The Banker
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:24PM
                                                      • Just may be it's his Mother in Laws loss that has prompted his sudden action

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Wise One
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                    • You wouldn't want to get into a war with the countries that make all your military gear!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Peter Cain
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:24PM
                                                      • ....well if Union wage claims hadn't priced Australian manufacturing out of the market they might have been made here !!! Oh by the way...that decision re boots was made under Labor.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Sick of the left
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:31PM
                                                      • Yes, because without the unions we too could pay our workers under $2 an hour like the Chinese can.

                                                        That'd be better.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        JLD
                                                        Location
                                                        Melb
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                      • Bloody unionists, they even tried to stop the export of pig-iron to Japan in the late '30s! Carrying on about it being made into bombs and other stuff. Fools.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Peter Cain
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                      • Haha....a laughable response. Have you ever noticed that the last person to lose their pay cheque is the union leader ? Paid by Union member funds....if they hadn't priced companies out of the market the companies would still exist and their workers would still have jobs. What don't you understand about how global markets and reality work?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Sick of the left
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:45PM
                                                      • Oh yeah...they predicted what was to occur...what a ridiculous statement. The only thing more offensive was making the troops load their own ships....yep...TOP bunch of blokes! !

                                                        Commenter
                                                        sick of the left
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 4:33PM
                                                    • The Pulse @ 1:31pm.

                                                      That Border Force graphic really looks like a demon imbedded within a uniform. Maybe they can use it as a sort of "Jolly Rogers" flag for all border protection vessels.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:22PM
                                                      • Photo 2:11 Palmer to Pyne " are you for real Chris get with the program"

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Wise One
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:14PM
                                                        • a very odd couple indeed! Can't imagine these two would 'play nicely' at recess!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          meganjj
                                                          Location
                                                          melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 15, 2014, 2:24PM
                                                        • that depends on who has the bat I guess

                                                          Commenter
                                                          BarbC
                                                          Location
                                                          Melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 15, 2014, 2:27PM
                                                      • re 12.20 P.M postcards. am betting that the Tony Abbott postacrds are not a strong seller!
                                                        Personally i would be looking at buying four of the Paul Keating.as it looks like the Gough Whitlams have sold out,(quite understandably!).

                                                        Commenter
                                                        meganjj
                                                        Location
                                                        melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                          • Don't want any postcards, memorabilia or such 'trinkets' from Parliament.
                                                            Watching it is enough to turn anyone off remembering the farce they have witnessed.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jump
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:26PM
                                                        • Let's see if QT yields even just one answer giving the details requested in a question from the Opposition. My bet is zero. Labor should boycott QT and instead give continuous news conferences to the media. That way they can be all over the news, each day, every day pushing their line. The gov't can then take all of the meaningless Dorothy Dixers it likes. It doesn't even answer those truthfully.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          mitch of ACT
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 15, 2014, 2:08PM
                                                          • Good idea, after all, giving continuous news conferences to the media, is what Clive has been doing.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pluto
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                          • I like that idea - simply because it leaves the LNP in the chamber all by themselves AND would lessen the time Bishop has to open her mouth and screech.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jump
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                          • hey mitch ...were you on here a couple of years ago suggesting LNP do the same thing? No ? Thought not.... But throw the toys out of the pram anyway. If you want to discuss changing the format of question time to something similar to the U.K version with no dixers etc then yes lets have a mature conversation that doesnt involve trying to score political points.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            hodster
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:31PM
                                                          • @hodster. no. QT was more civilized with Labor because the Speakers then took their task of being impartial to heart.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            mitch of ACT
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                        • "As the member will know, these matters are currently before the High Court"

                                                          No longer on-water, but on-lawyer.

                                                          There is no legal reason why the fact that the matter is being considered by the High Court precludes Morrison from saying anything. This is not (yet) a criminal matter.

                                                          Yet another head-spinning piece of dishonesty.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 15, 2014, 2:08PM
                                                          • Enough is Enough (the real one not the rascal fake one):

                                                            Please tell me what a luvvie is.....please..

                                                            I googled it and found:

                                                            luvvie
                                                            ˈlʌvi/
                                                            nounBRITISHinformal
                                                            plural noun: luvvies
                                                            1.
                                                            derogatory
                                                            an actor or actress, especially one who is particularly effusive or affected.
                                                            "everyone is singing his praises—from the luvvies at Cannes to various political figures in the US"
                                                            2.
                                                            (as a form of address) variant spelling of lovey.
                                                            "right, luvvie, I'm going to be working till nine"

                                                            I've always wanted to go into the theatre...are you saying.... I have a shot????

                                                            Commenter
                                                            davemac
                                                            Location
                                                            Melbourne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                            • Perhaps you pair could be in for a shot at joing the Lib's Dancing Girl Troupe? Whatever it is, I'd much rather be called 'luvvie' than 'mad'

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Tony
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 2:14PM
                                                            • Sounds good to me - EiE are you in?

                                                              Meet you in the courtyard at cigar time. I'll wear a blue tie.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              davemac
                                                              Location
                                                              Melbourne
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 2:25PM
                                                          • 1.38pm: The Clivester, the *Brick With Eyes*.....looks like you get a lot of politician for your PUP vote. Makes a 2.2kg $26 leg of lamb look like an absolute ripoff.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            David D
                                                            Location
                                                            Ettalong Beach (..couldnt eat a whole one...)
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:04PM
                                                            • Hockeys mum inlaw may be just the catalyst to crack the LNP cabnet.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Wise One
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:58PM
                                                              • Nope, Hockey has been using the fact his mother-in-law was a victim of the bank as proof that his decision NOT to have a RC into the bank is the correct and fair one.

                                                                They are getting flack for that decision as we know, so it's no surprise that Hockey is bringing it up again.

                                                                I'd like to know (in general or relative terms) how much money was involved (was it a relatively small amount compared to other victims) and whether or not compensation has been given already in this case (at the bank's discretion and in consideration to the victim's connections).

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Peter Cain
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                            • As a rusted on LIb, I say go to a DD and if the Libs lose, so be it. Let's see Labour deal with this absurd senate scenario. It's all of us that will suffer.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Over It
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:57PM
                                                              • If you go to a Double Dissolution both House of Parliament are dissolved. The incoming Government would have to deal with the Senate which is elected at the DD election.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                tasch2
                                                                Location
                                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:09PM
                                                              • Labor had to deal with the ridiculous hung parliament with Tony Abbott. Now Abbott sees it takes hard work, negotiation and intelligence to manage this. He couldn't manage it with the independents in 2010 and he can't manage it now!
                                                                Bring on DD!!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                MAC
                                                                Location
                                                                SYDNEY
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:11PM
                                                              • towel thrower in-ner!!!
                                                                JG managed a hostile everything for a Term - these jokers can't do it for a year ...

                                                                Commenter
                                                                rod steiger
                                                                Location
                                                                toukley
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:12PM
                                                              • ...and you can be sure a DD will not be called until they have changed the senate electoral laws to exclude PUP. Labor will not obstruct that bit of "reform"!

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Lewis
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:16PM
                                                              • You'll want to be quick. ICAC resumes in September and it's the LNP in the gun seat.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Peter Cain
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:17PM
                                                            • Every day in every way, this government looks sillier and sillier.

                                                              If this is the adults, can we have the kids back? At least they knew how Parliament operated.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Whyalla Wipeout
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:55PM
                                                              • Precedent; I always got my kids to programme the VCR - the adults had no idea

                                                                Commenter
                                                                David D
                                                                Location
                                                                Ettalong Beach (..fix it with a fork......)
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:14PM
                                                            • "Now," Tony thinks, "what can I give PUP in exchange for letting go the Schoolkids Bonus, the Low Income Super Contribution Bonus and the Income Support Bonus?" There must be something Clive wants.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Pluto
                                                              Location
                                                              Melbourne
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:47PM
                                                              • Yes the more he yieldes the weaker his position gets.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Wise One
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:55PM
                                                            • Well - at this rate the Liberal Party Dancing Girls may have to leave the champers on ice again this week - is the Bill delayed yet again ?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Champers
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:43PM
                                                              • They already opened it on Thurs - they'll be drinking it warm and flat by the time it goes through with all the dodgy deals in place that Tony "there will be no dodgy deals with minor parties and independents" Abbott makes getting it over the line

                                                                Commenter
                                                                RobE
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:48PM
                                                              • I can testify that flat champagne is an excellent attractant for slugs and snails - just put it in a can and they slide in and drown

                                                                Commenter
                                                                rod steiger
                                                                Location
                                                                toukley
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:03PM
                                                              • Rod, I'll second that. So too is beer. And no joke like pigs at the trough hoeing into it. (I make a cheaper version, sugar/yeast warm water).
                                                                Most appropriate analogy though.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                A country gal
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:10PM
                                                            • 1.18pm: Comment looks like a script for an Andrew Bolt skit... *the substance of the climate change vote is invisible*......*the process is not settled*........*climate change voting is crap*.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              David D
                                                              Location
                                                              Ettalong Beach
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:39PM
                                                              • It all comes from one source - our $4.3 million taxpayer funded department of smoke and mirrors.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Tony
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:54PM
                                                            • OK everyone, sing it loud and proud: "There will be no dodgy deals with minor parties and independents …"

                                                              Commenter
                                                              barfiller
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 15, 2014, 1:26PM
                                                                • OK, let's compare 2 'lies':

                                                                  1. The statement above, when TA could have quite reasonable expected he wouldn't have control of the senate, and would have to do this. Clear Lie.

                                                                  2. There will be no CT under the govt I lead (...but I am determined to price carbon). Doubt whether JG would have factored minority govt into this and we have very changed circumstances, and she had pointed out that she was determined to price carbon, so not a big surprise. In any case, I'm sure TA would be a CT convert had he been able to be a decent human and negotiate/sell his arse to form govt himself.

                                                                  Consider this: You say to your son "I promise to kick the footy with you at 4:00". Then you get called into work and can't do it. Does this make you a liar?

                                                                  Discuss.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  davemac
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:33PM
                                                                • I'm imaging a dirge with a big procession of Cons Senators. With Abetz on the drums and George on the trombone.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:34PM
                                                                • "There will be no dodgy deals with minor parties and independents …"
                                                                  I'm singing along and accompanying myself on the ukelele!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Pluto
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:54PM
                                                                • @ davem - re the footy. If you say nothing and pretend it didn't happen, then, yes , it IS a lie.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Tony
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:56PM
                                                                • @davemac
                                                                  those two comparisons are not really correct.

                                                                  "There will be no dodgy deals with minor parties"

                                                                  Both TA and JG had problems in govt. JG put through heaps and heaps of legislation in a minority government. TA has done how many? apples and oranges I am afraid. JG needed the minor parties to get that passed into law. TA now has the same problem in the senate.
                                                                  IMO I think JG did a better job of it that TA and the only thing that brought her down was the carbon pricing laws. but the hype from TA and his cronies calling it a carbon tax (wrongly) and then rupes media jumping onboard to give her massive negative press.

                                                                  JG never broke as many promises and swanny never gave us a toxic budget like TA and Joe have. Big differences here.

                                                                  safe to say we are a trainwreck heading for a broken bridge over a very deep abyss.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  BarbC
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                                • Your only problem is barfly that Tony Abbott actually said he would not do grubby deals in order to form government. Those on the left seem to have a very hard time with quotes from our leaders. With Gillard they added words to make her look better but with Abbott they take them away to try and make him look bad.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Southpark conservative
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                                • SouthPark,
                                                                  how about these quotes then:
                                                                  Tony Abbott - August 22, 2011:
                                                                  "It is an absolute principle of democracy that governments should not and must not say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards."

                                                                  The night before the election, the prime minister was interviewed by Anton Enus on SBS news and he was asked “are the ABC and SBS in the firing line?” His answer was clear as crystal, and I suspect it will haunt him for the rest of his tenure. He said:
                                                                  "No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS." Tony Abbott Sept 2013

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Econorat
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                              • 12:56pm. Something tells me they're one senator short of a carbon tax repeal picnic.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Lewis
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:20PM
                                                                • What Truthless Tony didn't organise the sandwiches in time ??

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Champers
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                              • 12:56pm: Come on Eric just go to the local and grab some beer coasters, this is starting to get embarrassing.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Get Real
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:17PM
                                                                • So where's Hackie today? Hungover from his 250M bubbles in his bottle of Champers no doubt!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:02PM
                                                                  • no, hard at work on the coasters with Eric and the Gang, trying to keep up with Derrick & Clive's contorted logic

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    rod steiger
                                                                    Location
                                                                    toukley
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:10PM
                                                                  • All tired out from predicting the demise of the Carbon Tax every day for the last 3 weeks. It looks like surviving most of this week. Or! Maybe preparing the spin campaign for the up coming DD, you know the one Tony promised if the Ct repeal didn't get through the senate.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pieron
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:10PM
                                                                  • Probably catching up on old Monty Python movies!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Get Real
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                  • Hacka's crying into what's left of his now very flat champers because inexplicably the carbon tax repeal legislation isn't being debated - what's going on? Could it be the government's "negotiation" tactics aren't working?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    RobE
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:13PM
                                                                  • Probably getting ready for Uncle Rupert's shindig.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pluto
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                  • He could be working over at Rup's -preparing for the big bash tonight.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    A country gal
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:20PM
                                                                  • ACG. Being attacked by dust motes (you know, those big furry things that collect at the back of unused furniture?).
                                                                    These huge furballs seem to have slowed down all of the LNP of late. I think they were unleashed after the LNP finally picked up the CTax from the floor.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Jump
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                                  • Cutbacks in the Lib's Department of Truth?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    davemac
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                                  • @davemac. Cutbacks will do it every time. But I wouldn't be surprised at sabotage either. Not with this government.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pluto
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:43PM
                                                                  • Country Gal,
                                                                    Hacka is getting training from the ''Strategic Communications Branch'' which was implemented late last year to keep media monitoring going and to spin, spin, spin.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    econorat
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:49PM
                                                                  • @ A country gal:

                                                                    ['He could be working over at Rup's -preparing for the big bash tonight.']

                                                                    That's a gig that I'd reply with: much regret but unable, I've got a prior engagement - my great-grandmother's twenty-first.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Jason of Gold CoasT
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:50PM
                                                                  • In other words Econorat, Hacka's in Spin Classes!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Sharron
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Canberra
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:57PM
                                                                  • No doubt our Hacka is capable of doing all these things at once, whilst walking AND chewing gum.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    A country gal
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                                  • Sharron,
                                                                    Faster than he can spell pirouette.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Econorat
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:10PM
                                                                  • ACG
                                                                    The quote is actually from Lyndon Johnson who said at the time, "Jerry Ford is so dumb he can't fart and chew gum at the same time." The press, used to sanitising LBJ's salty language, reported this as "Gerald Ford can't walk and chew gum at the same time".
                                                                    i prefer the original.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Econorat
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                                  • Econorat, thanks for that bit of history, yes we'll go with the original. had no idea where it came from.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    A country gal
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:49PM
                                                                • For whom the bells tolls at 12:43:

                                                                  Hear it not, Eric, for it is a knell,
                                                                  That summons thee to Heaven... or to Hell.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Gigondas
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:01PM
                                                                  • I'm disappointed Abbott hasn't been able to stick to his election promises of keeping politics off the main page, and having to negotiate with smaller parties to get his reforms through.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:00PM
                                                                    • EiE
                                                                      And you're not disappointed about the thousand other promises he has broken?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Steve
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:03PM
                                                                    • Three word Slogan - I*m disappointed, Abbott. Thats all you had to say.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      David D
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Ettalong Beach (punctuation kills)
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                    • EIE

                                                                      Don't worry, you have been a disappointment to common sense, ethics and integrity for quite some time now.

                                                                      But you must have your little digs of antagonism mustn't you?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:07PM
                                                                    • EiE just a reminder.
                                                                      * No cuts to health
                                                                      * No cuts to pensions
                                                                      * Unity ticket on Gonski
                                                                      * Open honest government
                                                                      * No cuts to education
                                                                      * No new taxes
                                                                      * No tax increases.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Get Real
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Land of lies and backflips
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:07PM
                                                                    • Steve, how about listing a few instead of sprouting labor crap.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Southpark conservative
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:10PM
                                                                    • Of course not. That would be admitting that his hero was an out-and-out liar. But broken promises will be a millstone around the neck of the Liberals at the next election. Even if many of their Budget proposals fail this time around they will be brought out as scare tactics in the next campaign as an illustration of what the Libs will do if re-elected.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                    • Another ALP/Greens imposter, two days in a row. Bit embarrassing to be playing childish games.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                    • Steve has a short memory:

                                                                      -No Carbon Tax
                                                                      -NBN cost blowout
                                                                      -Swan promising a return to surplus by 2012, thanks for the laugh Swanny.
                                                                      -Single parents sent to newstart
                                                                      -3 leaders in a 6 year team
                                                                      -numerous refugee policies and numerous immigration minister because each one was a big fat fail
                                                                      -Turn a multi-billion dollar surplus into a massive fat red mark

                                                                      I could go on all day

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Piped Piper
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:15PM
                                                                    • Uhmm Piped Piper only one of them is a broken promise are you sure you have the right post???

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Get Real
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Spinning so fast you forget where you are.
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:19PM
                                                                    • Well how about listing some of Abbott's policy failures so we can compare?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Piped Piper
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:23PM
                                                                    • Even though this looks like a bit of a plant, and not the real EiE (against Abbott? Please), still pretty funny that somebody has decided to tackle and subdue the LNP spin team ... or should that be 'media relations team'. Can we expect an budget amendment for 'Centrifugal Rotational Management'?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      SteveII
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Canberra
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                                    • EiE, Surely that is Tanya's fault - or the Greens?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      davemac
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:25PM
                                                                    • Oh damn, fell for it. Thought the post was a bit too legible. However, I can see a cunning plan forming....Hmmmm...what if.....

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      davemac
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:27PM
                                                                    • Pied Piper, does Abbott have any policies outside of a slogan.
                                                                      * The boats are still coming
                                                                      * The Carbon tax is still here
                                                                      * The mining tax is still here
                                                                      * His first budget hasn't passed the senate
                                                                      * Fraudband is an absolute mess.
                                                                      I am very disappointed with the output from the spin doctors! I want my money back!

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Get Real
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Spinning so fast you fall down.
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:29PM
                                                                    • @davemac; bugger me too, should have picked it when there was no senseless attack on the Greens

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Get Real
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Spinning so fast utter confusion sets in.
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:38PM
                                                                    • You serious? Listing ALP policy failures and trying to remedy or remove them but can't pass through the senate as failures? Ask the people of Xmas Island how many boats have come ashore lately. Bit rich to say no policies when the ALP was given an awesome platform to cost for policies it has fluffed.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Piped Piper
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:43PM
                                                                    • Heh, heh. None more deserving.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      A country gal
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                                    • southpaw con - broken promises Part 1
                                                                      1. Does not spend his first week as Prime Minister with an Aboriginal community
                                                                      2. Fails to “stop the boats” – 23 September 2013.
                                                                      3. Breaks his promise to support Gonski – 25 November 2013 and 13 May 2014.
                                                                      4. Breaks its NBN election promise of giving all Australians access to 25 megabits per second download speeds by 2016 – 12 December 2013
                                                                      5. Changes name of NDIS “launch sites” to “trial sites” and flags cuts to funding – 17 December 2013. unequivical promise to deliver the NDIS in full
                                                                      6. Breaks his election promise of no cuts to education by cutting funding for trade training centres in schools on 17 December 2013.
                                                                      7. Breaks a promise to make no cuts to health. First broken on 27 November 2013 when they cut funding to the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council and again on 17 December 2013 when they cut $150 million from hospitals and health services.
                                                                      8. Fails to provide the promised customs vessel to monitor whaling operations in the Southern Ocean – 23 December 2013
                                                                      9. Breaks a promise to provide fibre-to-the-premises for all Tasmanians for the National Broadband Network.
                                                                      10. Breaks a promise to introduce the paid parental leave scheme he took to the election on 30 April 2014 by reducing the promised benefit for those earning above $100 000.
                                                                      11. Breaks promise of “no cuts to the ABC or SBS” by cutting $43.5 million from the ABC and SBS.
                                                                      12. Breaks a promise of “no new taxes” by introducing a deficit tax rise of two percentage points for people earning more than $180,000 a year.
                                                                      13. Announced to sacking of 16,500 public sector workers as whole Departments are abolished despite promising only 12,000 job losses and through natural attrition.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      rod steiger
                                                                      Location
                                                                      toukley
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:46PM
                                                                    • Part 2 - sorry convenor - too many broken promises!
                                                                      14. Breaks a promise of “no new taxes” by introducing a fuel levy.
                                                                      15. Reduction in foreign aid budget of $7.9 billion over five years despite promise to not exceed $4.5 billion and cut via indexation.
                                                                      16. Increases the pension age to 70 from 2035 after promising last month that changes to indexation and pension age would come in three years.
                                                                      17. Cuts to old age pension by indexing to CPI, while it was promised there would be no changes.
                                                                      18. Scraps Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) which was set up to support new and emerging renewable technologies.
                                                                      19. Tears up Federal Government’s agreement with states and territories to help fund increasing health costs despite promise of no cuts to health.
                                                                      20. Breaks a promise not to cut health with a $368 million cut from preventative health measures.
                                                                      21. Reduces the Medicare benefit for optometry services and allows optometrists to charge more.
                                                                      22. Axes the Charles Sturt University’s dental and oral health clinics, despite promise to not cut health.
                                                                      23. Abolishes Medicare locals, despite promise to not cut health.
                                                                      24. Breaks a promise to spend $2.55 billion Emissions Reduction Fund by committing less than half this amount in the budget.
                                                                      25. Breaks a promise to have one million more solar roofs across Australia and at least 25 solar towns.
                                                                      26. Breaks a promise not to cut health by dramatically cutting hospital funding.
                                                                      27. Breaks election promise and slashes funding to Landcare
                                                                      28. Breaks promise that no public servants will be forced into redundancy after revelations that two public servants in the Department of Industry have been made involuntarily redundant since September, and
                                                                      29. ..as it is revealed that at least 30 staff in Treasury will be made involuntarily redundant.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      rod steiger
                                                                      Location
                                                                      toukley
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 1:51PM
                                                                    • Piped Piper,

                                                                      -NBN cost blowout under M Turnbull, gone from $27B to $45B under his watch
                                                                      -T Abbott promising a return to surplus by 2014, thanks for the laugh Tony.
                                                                      -
                                                                      -LNP 3 leaders in a 6 year team

                                                                      -Turn a multi-billion dollar deficit into a even bigger deficit during their governance. massive, massive, massive fat red mark
                                                                      I could go on all day

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      econorat
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:04PM
                                                                    • Rod:

                                                                      I don't think I like you brevity.

                                                                      But at least your heart's in the proper place.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Jason of Gold Coast
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                                    • "Ask the people of Xmas Island how many boats have come ashore lately"
                                                                      That's not what the promise was. It was stop the boats coming promise. Nothing about them making it to Christmas Island?? I hear they're still coming though.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Interesting
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                                  • Re the best postcards (@12:20), the two on the bottom left look good to me: an alien spaceship landing on Capital Hill and a long shot of Eric Abetz’s head exploding after his latest ‘negotiation’ session with Clive.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Gigondas
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:56PM
                                                                    • Hmmm..what can we read from the postcards at 12:20pm?. John Howard is placed between Kevin and Julia and TA on the left. Bob Hawke postcards appear to be sold out and does the one next to Paul Keating show (aptly) fireworks emerging from Parliament House

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      stevek
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:55PM
                                                                      • Bob's there in between Paul and Mal.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        A country gal
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 15, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                      • No, I think that's Gough

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        stevek
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:15PM
                                                                      • I think Gough sold out long ago. Would imagine they would be a collector's item.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        meganjj
                                                                        Location
                                                                        melbourne
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:26PM
                                                                    • 12.43pm: Bells ringin, prayers singin....come on down and be SAAAAVED!....(or squashed, depending on how the votes go.)

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      David D
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Ettalong Beach (I can vote! I can vote! Praise be!
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                      • 12:44pm: They ran out of beer coasters and need to order more to finish bending to Clive's whims.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Get Real
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Land of the Kowtowing PM
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:52PM
                                                                        • Re: "Just after the bells rang and the prayers were said..."

                                                                          “For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death” (Ps.48:14).

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          July 15, 2014, 12:52PM
                                                                          • Tanya Plibersek must be in a parallel Universe where everything that Labor did with the budget and Asylum seekers were absolutely correct and that the incoming Coalition Government didn't need to do a thing in these two areas. Fancy her saying that the Coalition's budget is the "most unpopular budget is living memory" without having the grace to say that the Coalition inherited a Labor debt that is projected to become the worst in history. As for the asylum seeker issue Labor has to acknowledge the absolute mess they made as they cancelled the successful Howard Government policies. We saw 50 thousand arrivals with the tragic deaths of at least 1200 unfortunates. Tanya Plibersek should look at herself in the mirror and ask herself if she and her Party are worthy of criticising the Coalition Government as they try to fix Labor’s mess.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            noitall
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Beacon Hill
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            July 15, 2014, 12:51PM
                                                                              • They are not ''fixing'' Labor's mess - they are splashing around in it and making
                                                                                ''the mess'' even bigger for themselves.
                                                                                Both LNP and ALP should be ashamed of what they have done, and are doing.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Jump
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:04PM
                                                                              • Continue the spin and lies as this government continues to tread water. All leading economists state that Labor would have returned the budget to surplus quicker than the LNP. You also seem to forget the Charter of budget honesty set up by Costello. This gave Tony the opportunity to review the books before he started his campaign of lies.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Get Real
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Land of the policy deprived
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                              • Name them Get Real! In your desperation you are making stuff up again. No one believes what you say any more because you have been proved wrong so many times before.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Fed up with spin
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:37PM
                                                                              • Jump-You are jumping to the wrong conclusions. The track record of the Coalition fixing Labors mess is there for all to see-Howard fixed the Hawke /Keating debt legacy- and they will do the same again.
                                                                                Get Real-You should take the advice .Labor bring down a budget surplus-you are joking of course. They couldn't do it in the middle of the biggest miming boom so how would they have done it now-the boom is not booming and they have promised more spending with the NDIS, Gonski and they predicted an unemployment rate of 6.4%. You must believe in magic puddings!!!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                noitall
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Beacon Hill
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:50PM
                                                                              • Glad to see the regional solution to boat arrivals put in place by the last Labor govt is being successfully implemented.

                                                                                Or is it? I've given you an answer to that question. Yes I have. When I tell you it is. You're smart, work it out yourself. Yes I have. Or is it?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                davemac
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:57PM
                                                                              • Typical of the right whinge air brush department. Firstly Howard left a deficit for Hawke to clean up but the bit you miss is the worldwide down turn during H/K years. Even that leftie Margaret Thacher presided over +18% housing interest rates. And of course the GFC always so conveniently forgotten.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Sick of spin
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:01PM
                                                                              • Noitall,
                                                                                And Gough Whitlam had a net surplus in 1974, after which Fraser/Howard created a net debt that wasn't cleaned up until 2005 when it finally came back to a net surplus that Gough had left behind.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                                              • davemore-It is only the Coalition that has put a complete stop to the boats-Labor let in 50 thousand-or maybe you don’t want to believe it.
                                                                                Sick of spin-The Howard Government dealt with the Asian financial crisis and the dot com bubble and still didn’t use that as an excuse-they produced 10 budget surpluses and a sound economy while paying off the Hawke/Keating debt of $96 billion. The GFC’s effect on the Australian economy was an overrated excuse by Labor to cover for their wasteful spending and ineptitude.
                                                                                Econocrat. Gough started the rot in 1974 and set up Malcolm Fraser for economic difficulty. During this time the unemployment rate went from 2% to 5%. Spending soared by 46% and poor old Gough was trying to get an illegal loan from a Pakistani broker by the name of Khemlani-a real shambles-no wonder he was voted out at the election following the dismissal.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                noitall
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Beacon Hill
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 4:18PM
                                                                            • Have they scrapped the awful Tax yet or is Clive still flip flopping like a stranded seal?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Piped Piper
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                              • seals are very graceful when in the water

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                rod steiger
                                                                                Location
                                                                                toukley
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                            • Another interesting thing about the postcards: only Tony and John Winston felt the need to have a flash of Union Jack visible in the background. Not even Sir Robert himself felt the need to display his British to the Bootstraps ideology in that way!

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Gigondas
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:40PM
                                                                              • Bill, Tanya and the ratbag Labor Party move out of the way of the bills trying to get through the Senate and apologies to the Australian people who trusted you in Government. Okay cause I am sick and tide of Ratbag Bill saying that the budget is unfair well your unfair not telling the people the mistakes Labor made

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Anthony Swales
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:39PM
                                                                                • Anthony
                                                                                  Are you telling us that Abbott is incapable of managing parliament?
                                                                                  If he can't govern, maybe he should get out of the way and let the adults back in.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                                • LOL, oh dear, the panic stricken LNP out in force. How about the voters trusting your bloke abbott prior to the election, not to cut pensions, no petrol tax, no doctor tax, no massive cuts to health an education, no cuts to the ABC, and on and on it goes, lie after lie daily. Do you forget under the previous govt we had a triple AAA rated economy, low interest rates, missed the GFC, low unemployment as pointed out by the IMF and World Bank??. Very short memoires you LNP blokes have, very forgetful .

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Piesnchess
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:49PM
                                                                                • No, Labor and the Greens - get in the way. Almost 50% of Australians voted for you to block these appalling blights on Australia's future, despite the grubby dirty dealing of Rudd and the lies of Abbott.

                                                                                  Stand for your principles Labor. It's the best way to get back in power and give Australia a future, rather than a fugitive line at the bottom of an account's balance sheet.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:50PM
                                                                                • Steve can you remember when Ms Gillard said no Carbon Tax under the Government I run. Well Steve whats your power bills been like since the Carbon Tax has been in cause once's its gone Power Bills down. Also I'm saying that Labor lied to us with the Carbon Tax with budget, with immigration and also was so dis functional that they had 3 leaders in 6 years and a puppet masters (Bill) controlling everything.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Anthony Swales
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                                              • What's the betting that Abbott gets a job working for Uncle Rupert after he has demolished the Australian way of life.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:36PM
                                                                                • Only if he sticks to current form, and lies on his resume the same way he did to the other Australian(s)

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  David D
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Ettalong Beach
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:44PM
                                                                                • Pen, checkout his literary 'prowess' from his Bulletin days, and why he left the Seminary.
                                                                                  I guess still on Margo Kingston's No Fibs blog.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  A country gal
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:48PM
                                                                                • I thought He was already working for Him

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  we pay these idiots
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Runaway Bay
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:51PM
                                                                                • By the time the PUPpet Master finishes with him, he will be lucky to get a job spruiking second-hand cars.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:52PM
                                                                                • Come on Pen, tell us exactly what the 'Australian way of life' is. 25 million Aussies are waiting to be told.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  enough is enough
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                                • won't need a job pen - got that cool pension, or as we in the aristocracy call it, tithes from the vassals

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  rod steiger
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  toukley
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                                • @we pay these idiots. Yes, I'm of the belief that he IS still working for him.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Jump
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:08PM
                                                                                • Sir Tony has inimitable writing skills - he wrote an essay once during his Rhodes scholarship! It's on his Wiki entry so Greg Hunt tells me it's true

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  rod steiger
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  toukley
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                                              • Can someone give Tana the heads up on the $300 billion debt she helped dump on current and future Australians. When she admits to that well and good, in the mean time she should keep a lid on it.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                enough is enough
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:32PM
                                                                                • nuffet is nuffet - 1. please spell correctly
                                                                                  2. let's see how this "budget" goes with debt reduction - already bleeding billions through feckless incompetence on the side of the bestest ever treasurer ever this year HOckeygnomics & a supremely gormless inability to manage - Sir Tony of One Term couldn't manage a lemonade stand

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  rod steiger
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  toukley
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:42PM
                                                                                • EIE

                                                                                  Four chief economists at banks and financial institutions revealed a common scepticism with the “budget emergency” described by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and his Treasurer, Mr Hockey. All economists cited Australia’s “enviable” budgetary position compared to other rich countries, and none thought the speculated “deficit levy” on high income earners was an intelligent way to repair the budget.

                                                                                  On the most recent figures the Australian government’s debt is $191.5 billion, forecast to rise to more than $600 billion. The forecast deficit is $47 billion, but all economists said these figures were tiny – compared with other OECD countries – as a percentage of the overall economy.

                                                                                  “Most countries would be envious of Australia’s public finances as they currently stand,” said Barclays Australia chief economist Kieran Davies, who, like the other economists interviewed, believes long-term, structural changes to the economy are required rather than short-term fixes like a debt tax.
                                                                                  Ideas floated by the economists included abolishing negative gearing, taxing trusts like companies, broadening or raising the GST, reducing the capital gains tax discount and tightening tax breaks for high income earners’ superannuation. There was no budget urgency that would justify temporary “debt tax” rises, they said.
                                                                                  “We don’t need a surplus tomorrow,” said Chris Richardson, economist and partner at Deloitte Access Economics.
                                                                                  “We don’t even necessarily need it in five years’ time. I’m more than happy with us getting back to sustainable fiscal finances over the long term. “The politics would tend to suggest moving earlier rather than later but on the economics there’s no rush.”

                                                                                  You were saying?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                                • Can you explain how Tana (the well-known Finnish manufacturer of twin-drum landfill compactors) is responsible for Australia's Debt, Deficit and Soft Furnishings Disaster?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Gigondas
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                                • EiE
                                                                                  And how much more debt is Abbott dumping on us?
                                                                                  Maybe we need to keep a lid on his actions to ensure we keep the budget under control.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:48PM
                                                                                • Really? Every large organisation has to go into debt at times if it is to have a future.

                                                                                  The small mindedness of this government and its followers is that it thinks the way the Australian Government should run the country is like a working class mum and dad and two kids and a dog in a rented housing commission flat. Rather than the way that BHP or any of the big banks run their business.

                                                                                  The future according to EIE is easy to see. Just go and watch reruns of Leave it to Beaver or My Three Sons.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:48PM
                                                                                • and can someone tell Tones we did not vote for cuts to pensions, benefits, starving young folks cut off the dole, massive cuts to health and education, a new doctor tax, cuts to the abc, and god knows what else we were lied too about prior to the election. Julia told one porky, your bloke and his motley crew tell stacks and stacks of them, constantly, You LNP staffers really amaze me, LOL !

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Piesnchess
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                                • There is no $300 billion debt. But don't let the truth get in the way of your rantings.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Dr Bombay
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                                • $300 billion, will you stop quoting Hacka's figures! They are wrong!

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Confused
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:55PM
                                                                                • EiEiO
                                                                                  So instead of some debt, which even the LNP said they would also have had, you are quite prepared to have 20% unemployment rate instead during the GFC?
                                                                                  because that was the only other option.

                                                                                  being in deficit or surplus is not a sign of good or bad economic management.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Econorat
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                                • Pen, didn't you care to listen to the Head of Treasury or the Governor of the Reserve Bank who both spoke recently of the ALP/Greens train wreck?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  enough is enough
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                                • {en - what are you saying? Glenn Stevens, Martin Parkinson and even Chris Richardson all say if we do not do something today there will be dire consequences tomorrow.

                                                                                  All say the measures taken by Abbott were very mild. You seem to thin that because we are not going to go broke in 2015 then there is no issue and no budget repair is needed.

                                                                                  That seems to be a common theme among the leaners in society. They don't care about the economic future of the country because they want somebody else's money NOW.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Southpark conservative
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:21PM
                                                                                • @ rod:

                                                                                  ['nuffet is nuffet']

                                                                                  You have a way with words.

                                                                                  @ Pen:

                                                                                  You should be applauded for your brevity.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Jason Gold Coast
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 1:22PM
                                                                              • Is that boat on the $7 bill the same boat that abbott migrated here on?Nice little dig from Labor about reminding abbott being a boat person hehe.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Steeden
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Ballina
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:31PM
                                                                                • I take it that you, like I'm sure many others are, have taken a refugee family into your home to save the taxpayers from supporting them ?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Sick of the left
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 3:09PM
                                                                              • 12.17pm: I had to take my Mumbles fridge magnet back - would not stick to ANYTHING!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                David D
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Ettalong Beach ( be aware be alarmed
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:30PM
                                                                                • me too - wouldn't attract ferrous material, only corporeal product

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  rod steiger
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  toukley
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:44PM
                                                                                • ...that really stinks

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  David D
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Ettalong Beach (I can vote! I can vote! Praise be!
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:56PM
                                                                                • Mine only stuck to the ground.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Get Real
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                              • Go to see a doctor on average of 1.5 times a week and that's Abbott's imaginary $550 windfall gone septic.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:28PM
                                                                                  • How is that Pen? Once you have been ten times then you don't pay the surcharge. In my world of maths that comes out to $70 which still leaves just a little out of the $550.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Get real
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:00PM
                                                                                • I'd pick four of JG, nothing magnetic about the other three.
                                                                                  Didn't agree with some of her key policies but overall top job.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  A country gal
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:27PM
                                                                                  • The rest belong in the freezer - not on the fridge door!

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:54PM
                                                                                • Murdoch will be there?

                                                                                  Murdoch’s Australian newspaper claimed the Greens, “Should be destroyed at the ballot box.” The Greens are “Far left clowns.” His Telegraph claimed, “The Greens represent a view that is hostile to the nation's interests and to both major parties. A bipartisan solution is needed to fix a bipartisan problem.” Last year Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal claimed, “Climate-science equivalent of dentists practising cardiology.”

                                                                                  Murdoch invested millions in Genie Oil and Gas (subsidiary of Genie Energy NYSE: GNE - Pioneering shale oil and gas extraction from kerogen-based oil shales.

                                                                                  Abbott’s Direct Action Policy pays companies if they show they have reduced carbon production. So a shale oil company agrees to reduce accepted carbon footprint by producing oil by shale for say $5 per barrel then Direct Action pays $5 per barrel. Murdoch’s Genie technology makes Australian shale oil accessible: 17.5 billion X $5 per barrel?

                                                                                  So: “Kick this mob out.”

                                                                                  And, “Why not switch from useless renewable investments to real job creating infrastructure projects. Many great possibilities waiting” (R. Murdoch).

                                                                                  Then, “Climate change very slow but real. So far all cures worse than disease. Shale gas huge breakthrough for US. Half carbon of coal and oil” (R. Murdoch, July 2012).

                                                                                  Scientist advise, “Compared to coal, the footprint of shale gas is at least 20% greater and perhaps more than twice as great on the 20-year horizon and is comparable when compared over 100 years," (Robert Howarth, professor of ecology and environmental biology, Cornell University). Howarth’s study follows a US EPA report of the first significant update on natural gas emission factors since 1996, and concludes “that emissions – particularly for shale gas – are larger than previously believed.”

                                                                                  Do you now understand why Abbott wants the carbon tax repealed, and why Murdoch will be there?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:24PM
                                                                                  • @Pen
                                                                                    Aus emits roughly 1 % of greenhouse gases in the world. We have got $ 25 a ton carbon tax (highest in the world)
                                                                                    India emits roughly 10 -15 % of carbon dioxide in air. Recently the intelligence bureau has declared greenies and associates (Greenpeace, friends of earth) as threat to national security and economic security (i.e) at par to terror org who are actively trying to undermine important projects like dams nuclear power stations, etc and stopping economic progress of india under the cover of "enviromental & people issues"
                                                                                    they might get all their funding cut and even outlawed if the new indian PM has its way.
                                                                                    but why worry of 10 % when you can reduce 5 % of 1 % of global emissions ? Fair point, eh ?

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Ranger Roy
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:33PM
                                                                                  • Ranger
                                                                                    Are you really still pushing that Liberal rubbish?
                                                                                    Either we are part of the global community or not.
                                                                                    We are the worst polluters yet you and your mates think everyone else should do our lifting for us.
                                                                                    Abbott is turning Australia into a bunch of leaners.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Steve
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:50PM
                                                                                  • Murdoch backed Kevin 07... Biggest crime yet.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Blue Tie
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:55PM
                                                                                  • Ranger

                                                                                    You are not paying attention: 414 million tonnes of coal produces 1.184 billions tonnes of Co2. You are using a fraudulent system of Co2 used on a per capita basis, which neglects actual realities..

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:57PM
                                                                                  • @Ranger Roy -lies by omission. That is in India and about India's intelligence - not the attempted 'pass off' as any other intelligence agency. Get a grip.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Jump
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                                • Unbelievable. The ALP handed out $300billion of debt and now that there's no more money left they have to hand out counterfeit dollars. Only in another universe would a political strategy come out of monopoly land.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  enough is enough
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:20PM
                                                                                  • Did you give back the $900 stimulus payment? Yeah, didn't think so. At least Labor didn't spend it on themselves to go to weddings and sporting events.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Dr Bombay
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:35PM
                                                                                  • Not only don't you have any idea of how preferential voting works, you have no understanding of economics - the country has a revenue problem and you're sitting on the sidelines cheering for the abolition of things designed to bring in revenue. You'd think the money that's being wasted on LNP spin-doctors would stump up for someone more knowledgeable than you.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    BC
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:38PM
                                                                                  • BC
                                                                                    EiE doesn't need to understand economics.
                                                                                    Uncle Rupert and Aunt Peta do all his thinking for him.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Steve
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:52PM
                                                                                  • Sounds like the luvvies here have never voted. Conveniently forgetting the millions of how to vote forms at polling booths. That's how the ALP/Greens instruct their rabble to vote. At Fairfax those forms told the rabble to give Clive your second vote. Do you understand how it works now?

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 1:21PM
                                                                                  • One more time for the slow learners, EiE - how-to-vote forms are recommendations, not commands. In this country we have the right to think for ourselves - perhaps your masters in the LNP won't allow YOU to do it, but democracy doesn't work that way. Please try harder - you're on a fail grade today.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    BC
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 2:44PM
                                                                                • 11.51am: 50 years of The Australian - about 46,000 trees sacrificed, at least 3 Governments whiteanted (Bigears, Big Gough, Bob Browns....), countless folded paper hats and boats, innumerable budgies with warm dry feet.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  David D
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Ettalong Beach (dangerous for dirty diggers)
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                                  • If find it soft, and thoroughly absorbent.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    davemac
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:19PM
                                                                                  • Davemac, I find that the opinion pieces can be quite abrasive.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Gigondas
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:22PM
                                                                                  • Tony Windsor had an excellent comment on The Oz whilst flat out working on the MDBP and hadn't bothered reading it.
                                                                                    Believe he compared it to Sorbent.
                                                                                    Crikey, we could do with him back in the House.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    A country gal
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:37PM
                                                                                • How many times do I have to explain: The incompetence of comprehension on the climate situation that is breathtaking by gullibility?

                                                                                  Australians annual emissions production from coal alone equates with 1.184 billion tonnes based on an average rate of 2.86 tonnes of Co2 per tonne of coal. this equates to about 4% of global emissions for a population that comprises only 0.328% of global population?

                                                                                  “Australia is the fourth largest coal producer, the largest exporter, and has the fourth largest reserves of coal in the world” (Australian Government Energy Resource Assessment).

                                                                                  Australia’s coal production last year 2013 was 414 million tonnes (International Energy Agency and the Bureau of Resources and Energy Economics). Therefore our consequential atmospheric Co2 contribution on a per capita basis is the worst in the world.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:10PM
                                                                                  • Add to that the CO2 from all of our bushfires as climate change leads to more fires. Then when a coal mine catches fire we can really pour the CO2 into the atmosphere.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:19PM
                                                                                  • So we better tells those billions of people living in China, India and other developing countries that they can't have electricity or steel to make stoves, refrigerators, houses, hospitals, roads, bridges, schools, etc because we won't sell them cheap and plentiful coal. That's a good way to make friends.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:29PM
                                                                                  • Yes Eie, because that's the only way you can make electricity.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    davemac
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                                  • EiE
                                                                                    Thankfully China is being responsible and rolling out wind and solar as fast as they can.
                                                                                    The US is building enough base load solar every year to power all of Australia.
                                                                                    Germany has built so much base load solar that they are exporting as much as 20%.
                                                                                    Abbott's fixation with the coal industry will see us fade away like the dinosaurs.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Steve
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:56PM
                                                                                  • EiE, the Chinese are switching away from coal because they can't breathe the consequent pollution in their own cities. Eventually coal will just be used to smelt ore until an alternative is found for that use.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                                  • So Pen..how many tonnes of CO2 are you contributing each year by spending all day on your computer? Just round it to the nearest whole number.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    sick of the left
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 4:36PM
                                                                                • 11:42am. Well now, I think that Clive is showing his true Liberal credentials.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Pluto
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 12:09PM
                                                                                  • Anyone see Madigan on LL re the stupid sacking of 33 Forestry Scientists. This Govt is a total mess, a fiasco. So how does this play with their farcical DA? No need for any remaining specialised Forestry Scientists apparently.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    A country gal
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:09PM
                                                                                    • Tell us what Forestry scientist does.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:33PM
                                                                                    • Well, what the hell would you think they do EiE?
                                                                                      Self explanatory, you are obviously so far removed from the concept of science and research that even the Job description is too difficult to grasp.
                                                                                      Good grief.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:43PM
                                                                                    • Poor EiE
                                                                                      Peta hasn't told him what to think of Forestry scientists yet.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Steve
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:57PM
                                                                                    • Thanks for confirming ACG that you don't know. You had your big chance, oh well.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                                                    • EiE I used to know a Forestry Scientist who worked at Creswick which Madigan mentioned on LL - just out of Ballarat.
                                                                                      Sadly Ron died a few years ago.
                                                                                      Being a Forestry Scientist or Forester involves all things Forestry. Soil science, Plant adaptability, disease, climate, plant suitability, aquifers etc etc etc I guess you think planting any sort of tree anywhere will grow. Tough luck if you plant the wrong tree for the wrong purpose in the wrong soil/climate.
                                                                                      You need to get out a bit more.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 3:34PM
                                                                                  • "It is 460 pages long.
                                                                                    Here are some it's key points."

                                                                                    Yeah, I know I'm being pedantic but you'd think an SMH journo would know when to use (or in this case not use) an apostrophe in "it's".

                                                                                    It's not that hard.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Steve Hall
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:04PM
                                                                                    • Careful, bit sensitive over typos. There's been some rippers lately. But I do empathise with their staff redundancies and working with a skeleton staff.
                                                                                      Meanwhile Rups is celebrating 50 years of his propaganda broadsheet The American, which has never run at a profit.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                                  • Superfunds are looking for ways to invest... Small businesses are having hard times getting access to finances..
                                                                                    Why not to allow to invest your super savings into your own small business assets then? Getting your business going without having to pay 20% interest on the finances to the bank, while you super sitting idle earning bugger all interest would be the best answer to funding my retirement..

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Andy
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    MId North Coast
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                    • +1

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Browns
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:03PM
                                                                                    • You best look at the business bankruptcy rate.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:12PM
                                                                                    • Can't believe I am agreeing with Pen of Hrba. Super assets have to be safely invested so that they will be around when you retire so you don't draw a pension. That is why there is a tax break on super contributions and earnings. Its not designed as a subsidy to investing capital in your own business which could be lost very quickly.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Cut and paste like HRBA
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Lunch
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                                  • The performance of Clive 'Top Dog' Palmer and the PUPS was never about the public interest.

                                                                                    It was only ever about who was going to get top billing on the right in the carving up of this country for the sake of self-interest.

                                                                                    Now that Clive has top billing, he can toss out of the group anyone he no long needs, as has been his wont in the past.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:59AM
                                                                                    • So Yank Rupert is throwing a Knees Up in Sydney tonight and the PM of course and the LNP Dancing Girls will be going - got to keep your No 1 fan happy.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Ho Hum
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                      • You know Bill is going as well?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Drewboy
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:03PM
                                                                                      • @drewboy - you know the expression "token"?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Sick of spin doctors
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:06PM
                                                                                      • Drewboy - well I guess that is keep your friends close and enamies closer

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Ho Hum
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:12PM
                                                                                    • Still bombarded by people on this forum who don't seem to be able to handle more than the slogans fed to them.

                                                                                      Try to follow along guys, I know it's hard for you:
                                                                                      The CT was not meant in itself to significantly reduce global CO2 emissions. How could it with our population?

                                                                                      What it WAS primarily meant to do was to encourage renewables, hopefully making us a world leader in this area (hey making money out of something other than digging stuff out of the ground - imagine that), and to show 'leadership' on the global stage so that we could exert 'influence'.

                                                                                      Sigh.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      davemac
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                        • The problem is the "leadership" thing. We are leaners at the back of the pack, too scared to upset Big Biz donors.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Sick of spin doctors
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 12:03PM
                                                                                        • davemac you're stringing sentences together to form a logical argument - there's your problem right there.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          RobE
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 12:06PM
                                                                                      • 10.51 So what directions will Anthony John receive tonight? no doubt "Australians for Honest Politics" will get a mention.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:56AM
                                                                                        • I think it will be more "steady as she goes" ACG - he's doing Rupert's bidding beautifully. May be something about the Australia Network though, Rupert didn't like that going to the ABC.

                                                                                          Love how RM refers to Australia as 'we'. You're nothing to do with us mate - other than the fact you (with Clive) control one side of politics of course.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          davemac
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 12:18PM
                                                                                        • Dave, there'll be orders alright. After the Dinner engagement in the big apple, the very next morning Brandis was hollering from the script about pirating laws.
                                                                                          And, yes I too noted the "we" comment, which was no accident.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          A country gal
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 12:31PM
                                                                                      • Are we soon to see shop front signs stating " No Carbon Tax Sales" .? .

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        The Bill
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:49AM
                                                                                        • Whats the problem with a bank teller getting a bonus for selling financial products? They can only sell products from the bank they work for anyway. They will still be forced to make targets with or without the remuneration. Let the tellers have their bonus!

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Cwitty
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 11:46AM
                                                                                          • I guess you've either never bought one or alternatively peddle the product?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Sick of spin doctors
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 11:56AM
                                                                                          • The problem is the pressure on tellers to sell products to people who don't need them, want them or understand them.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            jofek
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                          • Other than the fact they are conflicted and can lead unsuspecting people to make poor investment choices? Nah, no problem here, move along.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            davemac
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 11:58AM
                                                                                          • What is wrong with the clerk in a Doctors Office recommending treatment ?? Sounds much the same to me.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Ho Hum
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 11:58AM
                                                                                          • If someone is supposed to offer advice on the quality of products, s/he should not be rewarded for making a sale. Maybe a bonus if the advice proves to be correct - but that's abit long-term.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            bratman
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                          • its not financial advice its just general advice. Not paying tellers will not prevent them pushing the banks products. It will just prevent them from getting paid. There is no change in outcome for the customer, no change for the bank - the only change is that bank tellers will get less pay.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Cwitty
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 1:31PM
                                                                                          • Cwitty, when you pay bonuses to people who have little understanding of the difference between personal and general advice, who have limited understanding of the complicated financial products they are selling and who are making their pitch to people who walk in off the street to deposit or withdraw (at most) a few hundred dollars or pay a bill - you should recognise why the protections are important.

                                                                                            I'm not pointing the finger at underpaid bank tellers - I am pointing the finger at their bosses who tell them to sell sell sell.

                                                                                            'Don't Know' is busy yelling at ASIC over the CBA melt-down while at the same time removing the protections for the people who were damaged by the CBA.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            jofek
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 2:54PM
                                                                                        • There seems to be a deliberate deception about what the Carbon tax can do for global temperatures. Some people here state that if this tax is removed then TA & PUP are condemning the rest of the world to Armageddon. With Australia only contributing about 2% of world carbon emissions even if we stopped all oil and coal burning tomorrow there would be no significant effect on atmospheric CO2 levels. So stop the fear mongering that Australia’s use of fossil fuels has any significant effect on climate. It’s a lie. Even if Australia stopped all coal exports what would happen is this. Coal prices would rise as other countries scramble to make up Australia’s deficit. Then once the rest of the world ramps up production coal prices would return to normal. The left need to take both hands off it and realise that you need a world agreement on carbon. Judging by the last international conference I feel that chances of that are very, very slim. Then should Australia toe the line. Also the window dressing that China and the US are doing is simply that... Window dressing before the next US elections with China building a new coal power station every 13 days. Don’t believe what they say believe what they do.
                                                                                          The world now has to deal with the methane thaw and inevitable ceasing of sea currents such as the Atlantic conveyer and the mini ice age that that will eventually put us in. Action can only come from world consensus ...not a piddly carbon tax used to buy already oversubscribed European permits.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Brettie
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          July 15, 2014, 11:36AM
                                                                                            • $21,000 worth of window dressings, right here in Canberra.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              A country gal
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:37AM
                                                                                            • Brettie - I have found that in the past that talking sense to the warmers is an exasperating and fruitless drain on my time. Shorten just lost thee 2016 election - if squealing Australian voters can't handle a mildly ratty budget that goes half way to fixing anything then they won't accept another big fat tax!! Get used to it - all that workchoices fear-mongering - it's all coming back with interest.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Matty
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:46AM
                                                                                            • Another one missing the point of what the CT aimed to achieve, and carbon reductions was a minor issue..

                                                                                              You are right though that global action is unlikely if everyone waits for everyone else.

                                                                                              Australia. Leaners not lifters.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              davemac
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:49AM
                                                                                            • If a DD was held within three months what would happen to the Greens?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Sarah of Carnegie
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:49AM
                                                                                            • @sarah - judging by the polls they'd be winners whilst our lying PM would be sobbing into his Gold Pension Card. But hopefully our new PM will cancel those obscene entitlements.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Sick of spin doctors
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:58AM
                                                                                            • Sarah - they will increase their vote as will all non LNP candidates. Not everyone has been on gardening leave for the pat 10 months

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Ho Hum
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                            • @Sarah - Think you'll find the Greens vote holding up nicely. Which you can't say about the Libs. But TA too gutless so its academic.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              davemac
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                            • @Sarah I expect that the Labor & Liberal parties will be shunned at the next election by disillusioned voters. The Greens will benefit as previous Labor & even some Liberal voters lodge a protest vote against the abolition of the climate change initiatives. PUP & other Independents will benefit as well. I expect Clive to become the defacto PM with the balance of power in the Reps & the Senate. What fun that will be. We are getting a foretaste now.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              mitch of ACT
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:01PM
                                                                                            • So Brettie, the best way to get a world agreement is by all countries agreeing to do nothing until someone else does, or by countries doing their share and then calling out those that don't? You also seem to be really comfortable with the fact that we are contributing to the problem far more than we should be and the whole world will bare the consequences of that. How can that be right? You don't have an issue with the fact that we emit more than France which has triple our population and a bigger economy to boot? I'm not suggesting that we do more than our share but you really think that we should continue making the problem far worse than it should be? You really don't think we should try to get our emissions down so they are roughly average per-capita on a global scale?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Dags
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 12:05PM
                                                                                          • 10.55am: Budget Bashed; if Stumbles Hockeys budget was a hedge, the gardeners would be calling for extra greenwaste bins by now. Any more arboreal massacres and we will be able to see right into his house of cards.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            David D
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Ettalong Beach
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            July 15, 2014, 11:28AM
                                                                                            • "The [financial system] inquiry is being chaired by former Commonwealth Bank chief executive David Murray". And of course we can expect an independent result. Like having Cardinal Pell chair an investigation into the Catholic Church

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              RobE
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:18AM
                                                                                              • Libs rule #1 - never hold a review or enquiry unless you know you will get the outcome you desire. Climate sceptic reviewing the RET, business heads providing the budget cuts, the list goes on.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                davemac
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:29AM
                                                                                              • ROBe,
                                                                                                So you'd like a plumber to chair the financial system enquiry?
                                                                                                1. Pell chairing a report on the catholic church would not be independent because he would then have authority to bring in the suggested changes (or not).
                                                                                                2. Chairing the report doesn't mean your suggestions will be taken up by parliament as it will probably have other review processes before any changes were made.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:33AM
                                                                                              • Econocrat - given the revelations about the financial arm of the CBA recently a plumber might be the correct option - they would know their way around a sewer.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                RobE
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:38AM
                                                                                              • Just had a look at the key points in the interim report & I don't think the big banks will be all too happy with some of them. BTW, David Murray's most recent role was chairing the future fund.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:40AM
                                                                                              • RobE,
                                                                                                Yer, I guess a plumber may be 'flush' with funds

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:08PM
                                                                                            • 12 months ago today, Kevin Rudd stood up and told Australia that he was going to kill the Carbon tax to ease the pressures on households and small business. Now short Bill says that scrapping the carbon tax will not mean anything. He asks silly questions like does the PM promise that grocery bills will reduce by $10 a week".
                                                                                              The left might not like Abbot but god help us if this backstabbing inconsistent incompetent fool ever becomes PM.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Southpark conservative
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:11AM
                                                                                              • Hang on...last time I checked the facts I thought we already had a backstabbing inconsistent incompetent fool for PM.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                David D
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Ettalong Beach
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:16AM
                                                                                              • Do tells us what benefit removing the Carbon Tax will have, from recent government reports it will be 68 cents a day.
                                                                                                You appear to be happy with the lying backflipping all spinning Abbott, anyway enjoy your 68 cents.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Get Real
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:18AM
                                                                                              • Not such a silly question when these are the lying clowns who bellowed about $100 legs of lamb and the imminent destruction of Whyallah in their scare campaign.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Sick of spin doctors
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:20AM
                                                                                              • Twelve months ago Rudd also promised a real ETS, albeit linked to the low European values. He certainly did not propose the same deceitful future destroying fix that Abbott did.

                                                                                                Telling only half the story to deceive is the Liberal Party way. It's in their DNA.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:21AM
                                                                                              • I thought that the inconsistent, incompetent fool was already PM. Neither of them will be leader by the time of the next election. Both are just stand-ins to do the hard slog between elections. Labor has many alternatives but it is hard to see anyone in the Libs who provide leadership and more importantly, credibility.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                mitch of ACT
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:25AM
                                                                                              • You're wrong but right, you need spell and grammar check.

                                                                                                Short Bill isn't PM but Abbott is, so yes, God help us.

                                                                                                As for easing the household budget, we'll see if the price reductions are close to the Abbott pre-election statement of a carbon tax impost of $550 / year. Very few business leaders think so.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                nolongerconfused
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:30AM
                                                                                              • How is that Shorten being inconsistent? Abbott doesn't support an ETS while Turnbull and Howard did. Does that mean Abbott is inconsistent too?

                                                                                                For the record, the policy that Labor took to the election was to replace the fixed price on a carbon with a floating price. That is still their policy. Labor has never supported replacing a fixed price on carbon with nothing.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Dags
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:12PM
                                                                                              • Get Real - tell us what benefit having the Carbon tax will have? By how much were world temps go down under the biggest carbon tax in the world? If everyone joined in on our folly by how much would the world cool?
                                                                                                Why cant you warming sheep answer that simple question?
                                                                                                Can you give one instance where a warmer prediction has actually eventuated?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Southpark Conservative
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:24PM
                                                                                              • Southpark,
                                                                                                When it comes to hyperbole on anything to do with an ETS or CT, Tony Abbott is on his own exoplanet.
                                                                                                this guy has at various stages supported an ETS (under Howard) a CT (by his own words), Global warming is crap (by his own words) and now DA (whatever that is exactly).

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:58PM
                                                                                              • Southpark,
                                                                                                Everyone joining in doesn't make the earth cooler, it decreases the warming rate (i.e. flattens it out) over hundreds of years instead of decades.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                                                            • 10.41am; $51,000.....so Mumbles can serve mini sausage rolls and saveloys in style; while programmes such as funding the *Deadlys* take a (tragically deadly) hit. Funding redirected to *frontline* services? I don*t think you can get more frontline and in your face than tv, radio, print, sport and dance. PM for Aboriginal Affairs? Really?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              David D
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Ettalong Beach
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:08AM
                                                                                              • Yes tragic news and purportedly due to the punitive worst Budget of all time. It's difficult to express my feelings on the hypocrisy of the tragedy. I trust the Govt will act with the necessary sympathy and empathy.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:31AM
                                                                                              • +1. Tragic.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                davemac
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:21PM
                                                                                            • Few people including senators consider realities especially when realities require a little working out, so many take the least path of resistance and leave the thinking to others, or to those who claim to have done the thinking.

                                                                                              A typical example is “Scrap the Carbon Tax” it is “A great, big new tax,” a “Wrecking ball through the economy”, it will “wipe Whyalla off the map”, and it “Would force the price of electricity up and up and up.” It’s truly amazing the number of gullible who fell for these lies simply because they refused to think.

                                                                                              Now with the human race facing imminent disaster in terms of the span of human history, we have unbelievable high levels of ignorance, stupidity and plain lack of self-respect and respect for the lives of all those who come after us. To say the least it is unimaginable that so many are fooled, cajoled and deceived to actually ignore it and worse support the coming disaster by bloody minded negligence.

                                                                                              We consistently read ignorances which would be acceptable in Roman times when Fortuna ruled thinking. Do these people actually believe scientists have falsified hundreds of thousands of individual scientific data all given up by countless scientific instruments and the witnessing of actual events taking place?

                                                                                              Here we are in 2014 actually witnessing the greatest stupidity in man-kinds history and worse we are allowing our so called politicians to get away with it.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Pen of hrba
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:07AM
                                                                                              • The greatest stupidity in mankind is believing a tax would solve any of the issues you have mentioned. The removal of the tax has not added to any problem because the tax itself did not solve anything. If I am wrong please correct me. Have the IPCC change any predictions because Australia no longer has a tax? No.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Cwitty
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:27AM
                                                                                              • Pen - just because a quickly growing body of people do not agree with your premises/ arguments (eg "the human race facing imminent disaster in terms of the span of human history") there is no need to go on a rant and tell us we are all wrong.

                                                                                                The Maunder Minimum is about to kick in so reducing temps over the next 7 - 8 years; there is NO direct co-relation between increased CO2 and temp increases (and please don't give that nonsense heat is being stored in the deep oceans); causation is also highly questionable. The religion of AGW is on its way out.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Next Mini Ice Age
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:33AM
                                                                                              • Mini Freeze - what a puff of nonsensical flummery palleeeeeeease read some real research,..

                                                                                                The world is getting warmer .... NASA _ GISS project, in January 2014:
                                                                                                "NASA scientists say 2013 tied with 2009 and 2006 for the seventh warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures.

                                                                                                With the exception of 1998, the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record all have occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the warmest years on record.

                                                                                                NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which analyzes global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated report Tuesday on temperatures around the globe in 2013. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience temperatures warmer than those measured several decades ago.

                                                                                                The average temperature in 2013 was 58.3 degrees Fahrenheit (14.6 degrees Celsius), which is 1.1 °F (0.6 °C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline. The average global temperature has risen about 1.4 °F (0.8 °C) since 1880, according to the new analysis. Exact rankings for individual years are sensitive to data inputs and analysis methods.

                                                                                                "Long-term trends in surface temperatures are unusual and 2013 adds to the evidence for ongoing climate change," GISS climatologist Gavin Schmidt said."

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                rod steiger
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                toukley
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:57AM
                                                                                              • 2 million years is longer than some species ever had, I think we did alright, we wont be missed Pen.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Dirt
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 12:04PM
                                                                                              • Cwitty,
                                                                                                So you've never heard of a Pigovian Tax before witty?
                                                                                                How about the tax on liquor and tobacco products; it's the same sort of tax as the Carbon tax is.
                                                                                                Those taxes do work; so i fail to understand how you say they weren't working.
                                                                                                care to provide any proof to that statement? Just any proof at all?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                econorat
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 1:53PM
                                                                                            • More broken election promises from Shorten. The biggest lies come from the guy who won't offer a running commentary on Union corruption.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              enough is enough
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:07AM
                                                                                              • Which broken lie is it this time, EiE? All I hear is a broken record.
                                                                                                If you are going to be so offended every time a politician breaks a promise....sorry, every time a non-LNP politician breaks a promise...then perhaps following a political blog is not for you.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Immal
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:16AM
                                                                                              • enough is enough, if Shorten's conduct upsets you I can only imagine what Abbott's disgusting dishonest behaviour must be like for you.

                                                                                                Lie after lie after lie ........ .

                                                                                                How do you sleep at night?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                fitzy of kogarah
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:18AM
                                                                                              • You would think a political staffer would know that election promises are for when you win and have control of the government. To suggest that Bill Shorten can keep Kevin Rudd's election promises from opposition is just bizarre.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Dr Bombay
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:22AM
                                                                                              • Good morning eie,

                                                                                                I just checked the Australian Government website. It seems Labor isn't in Government any more! It's some mob called the LNP.

                                                                                                Thought you might like to know.

                                                                                                Cheers

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Gigondas
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:23AM
                                                                                              • LOL .
                                                                                                one of the most rabid deflectionists there is in the Liberal media squad ranting on about broken promies by Shorten.
                                                                                                How many feet have you got EIE as youve sure blown one off so far today with this popgun shot of a post.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                mirrorsofsmoke
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:23AM
                                                                                              • Broken election promises?

                                                                                                Apart from the fact that the claim itself is a lie, since when does an Opposition have to keep the promises it made about what it would do in Government?

                                                                                                Certainly not since 2007, when the party now in government reneged on a deal made in good faith to implement the key promise it made in that election to introduce an ETS.

                                                                                                Toxic tax? No. Toxic politics from the Liberals.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:25AM
                                                                                              • What...WHAT!...EIE, come on....Abbott and the LNP are the Kings of lying and weasel words.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Mr Ed
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Katoomba
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:29AM
                                                                                            • One goverment introduces it by 'sleeping with' greens, and the other goverment repeals it by 'sleeping with' PUP

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Notbyboat
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              July 15, 2014, 11:07AM
                                                                                                • If you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Red Rooster
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Darkened Room
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 11:20AM
                                                                                                • "I will not do any deals with Minor Parties or Independents".

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  A country gal
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 11:35AM
                                                                                              • From July 1 this f/y the NDIS has kicked off and also the Superannuation has increased. I have just been reminded by my employer.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Daniel
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:05AM
                                                                                                • As has your taxes - Medicare up

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Ho Hum
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 11:44AM
                                                                                              • $21 000 for urgent cushion and curtain repairs? Seems we have a soft furnishings emergency as well.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Gigondas
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                July 15, 2014, 11:04AM
                                                                                                • It's obvious that Clive is physically a big man, and now it's also becoming obvious that he likes to throw his weight around. And now we also have a Prime Minister beholden to the big man to get his pet projects passed. A Prime Minister so keen to do so that he will willingly overlook any bad behaviour that this man engages in, or will engage in, now and in the future.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Pluto
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 10:47AM
                                                                                                  • The Denialists strike again. The ALP/Greens preferences elected Palmer who got 25% of the primary vote. Shorten and Milne are the creators of Palmer. When will you luvvies admit your teams stuffed up?

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:04AM
                                                                                                  • You display not even a vague understanding of our electoral system, EiE - the voters determine where HoR preferences go, not the parties who they select as 1 on the ballot. They were perfectly free to give their second spot to the Liberal candidate - they didn't. Get over it.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    BC
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:14AM
                                                                                                  • EiE, why was Palmer standing in the first place. Because Tony Abbott made the last Parliament such a mockery that a self-promoting billionaire thought that he could do better. Palmer will be Abbott's nemesis for the duration of this Parliament. After that Abbott won't be there, ditched by his own party in a futile attempt to try and give them some semblance of credibility.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    mitch of ACT
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:15AM
                                                                                                  • @eie. My comment was about Palmer's treatment of the Clerk of the Senate, which I think speaks loads about the man.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Pluto
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:19AM
                                                                                                  • Fair cop EiE....as far as preferences go, anything is better than Lib or a Nat.

                                                                                                    He's one of yours mate, enjoy.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    davemac
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:22AM
                                                                                                  • nuffet is nuffet - the only reason the PUP exists at all is that the Qld LNP disaffected CP so much he formed his own party to white ant the newman!!! government. Siir One Term is only collateral in the main game

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    rod steiger
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    toukley
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 11:23AM
                                                                                                • 9:56am: This man will no doubt have an opinion on this issue.

                                                                                                  Hahahahahaha. Nice one. This PUP will only say what Clive tells him to say. Nobody honestly believes that he would have an opinion of his own and even if he did he would not voice it. He will just do what Clive tells him to do.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Southpark conservative
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 10:43AM
                                                                                                  • Oh I don't know - he has already queried 457 visas for nurses when Qld nurses can't get jobs . . . he might be more independant than you think. It is Truthless Tony who wanted his pet bill up first - so no surprises that it got opposed

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Really ?
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 10:55AM
                                                                                                • EiE is leading the dancing troop this morning - thought we might see a note of levity ahead of today's deliberations - but seems to be in Opposition mode so far

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  MST
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  July 15, 2014, 10:35AM
                                                                                                  • Marriage is a civil, social & religious institution so government regulation should be limited to only defining its civil status period. Communities & religious congregations should define the rest as it applies to them. Government should not be deciding whom can marry whom. Couples & the communities they freely associate with should make that decision.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Lewis
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 10:23AM
                                                                                                    • Agree with Governments should define civil status....with regard to equality and non-discrimination. Myriad groups of followers of imaginary friends have no place in the defining of civil regulations. They can do what they like behind their closed doors. We promise not to look or judge.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      David D
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Ettalong Beach (I married my boat)
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:56AM
                                                                                                  • So Tanya didn't take any gay marriage proposal to either Rudd or Gillard and will cry crocodile tears if it doesn't get through. If it does get through she will claim victory. What a hollow politician who uses people's sexuality to play politics.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    enough is enough
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 10:14AM
                                                                                                    • E=E, your team wouldn't allow a conscience vote on the matter. Please don't deflect.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      jofek
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:42AM
                                                                                                    • jofek,

                                                                                                      didn't Julia and Kevin have the numbers?

                                                                                                      After all they were in a coalition with The Greens, Oakeshot, Windsor etc.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Browns
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:53AM
                                                                                                    • Stellar Job on Q&A as per usual. She knows her stuff and doesn't need to be scripted. If only there were a few more like her, sincere and passionate.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 11:21AM
                                                                                                    • Absolutely, Browns. Tanya is just being hypocritical & playing politics as usual. She was silent when in government as a minister but is now paying lip service to the libertarian sentiments of her inner city electorate. I hope her voters see through her & elect a Greens MP next time.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Lewis
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 11:30AM
                                                                                                    • Browns, a conscience vote means not relying upon your numbers but allowing individuals to vote based on their conscience.

                                                                                                      Had I been the PM I would have pushed it through but allowing a conscience vote was at least a half-hearted step in the right direction. Had Abbott allowed his side to do the same this would have been done by now.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      jofek
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                                  • Article in SMH today quotes an editor under whom Tony Abbot worked as stating: "Tony couldn't seem to get the idea that a feature for The Bulletin had to be fair and balanced," Dale said on Monday. "I told him if he kept going like that he had no future on the magazine." (http://bit.ly/1kWGaOd)

                                                                                                    Let me put that into current context:
                                                                                                    "Tony can't seem to get the idea that a budget for Australia has to be fair and balanced...He's been told that if he keeps going like that he has no future as PM."

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    RobE
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    July 15, 2014, 10:14AM
                                                                                                    • PUP still getting more media coverage than the Greens. Conclusion being, Clive is controlling the narrative. Milne is too busy watching her back.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:12AM
                                                                                                      • PUP is arguably getting more media coverage than the LNP and he's certainly getting more than the Nats, who we hear absolutely nothing from as their big brother progressively sells out on their constituents.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        jofek
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:44AM
                                                                                                      • Heard nothing? who was acting PM recently for over a week? Spoke a lot then.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:09AM
                                                                                                      • Clive is the official leader of the opposition. i don't see anyone else doing the job..

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Cwitty
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:12AM
                                                                                                      • Clive is the ringmaster. Tony and his turpitudinous front bench is the circus.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:26AM
                                                                                                      • I was thinking that too. Clive is the Opposition Leader. Though not sure I like him bullying the Senate staff.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Sarah of Carnegie
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:27AM
                                                                                                      • E=E, are you saying the acting PM actually did something for his constituents during that time or did he just keep the seat warm?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        jofek
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:03PM
                                                                                                      • Cwitty, Clive is leading the Government around by the nose.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        jofek
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:14PM
                                                                                                      • Clive would go as far as changing his name to 'TV Listings" just to get his name in the paper. He has been studying the MO of Donald Trump too much

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Jack
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 3:34PM
                                                                                                    • There is an awful lot of confusion about the $550 savings. First we have to understand that the $550 is an Abbott figure plucked from who knows where. Second we are told the demand for power is decreasing it is but isn’t. The demand for power between 2004 and 2009 was greater than the capacity to serve that demand. In 2006 to 2012 we had an increase in capacity by infrastructure expansion of 22 Gigawatts (GW) from 110 to 130 GW. By 2009 demand and capacity were equal at 125 GW, thereafter demand fell away from the increasing capacity from 125GW to 115 GW. So in effect demand has fallen on increased capacity and not in terms of a static capacity. In 2000 demand was 105GW by 2013 115 GW. So the realty is increased capacity includes accommodating increased demand as capacity is 130GW.

                                                                                                      So Abbott’s $550 savings are to say the least untenable, because demand from 2000-2009 increased by 25GW to accommodate population growth. The fact that infrastructure expansion is now 15GW greater than demand only accounts for 5 years future population growth, in 2019 demand and capacity will again be equal, and further expansion required, which needs constant planning and increased funding.

                                                                                                      All stats shown from the Bureau of Resources and Energy Economics” (BREE).

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:08AM
                                                                                                      • Poor Pen, I was wondering if you'd take a day off and enjoy the outdoors before it starts raining today. I sincerely feel a bit sad for you. Oh well...I'm off for a lap of the lake before the rain hits. Happy cut-and-pasting!

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Sick of the left
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:14AM
                                                                                                      • Just research "Rudd" and "Treasury" to see where the $550 has come from.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Go Get
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:19AM
                                                                                                      • So you’re saying we won’t get our $550 a week? I’m shattered. I was so looking forward to those extra five and a half legs of lamb.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Gigondas
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:20AM
                                                                                                      • Rudd said that by him scrapping the carbon tax would save $380 per household. And he was going to introduce an ETS. So we have both sides of politics admitting that there was an imposition of between $38 and $550 a year. Given Rudd was going to keep an ETS that would have cost something, we can safely assume that both sides would agree on $550.
                                                                                                        Its still cold here pen - a fact that should warm your fear mongering heart.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Southpark conservative
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:41AM
                                                                                                      • Giga - if you want $550 a week then go out and get a job. If you want to pay $550 less in power bills then ring one of your mates in labor or the union and demand that they honour their election promise to kill the carbon tax.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Southpark conservative
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:45AM
                                                                                                      • Southpark, some simple equations for you:

                                                                                                        $550 a week = typo: mea culpa

                                                                                                        “go out and get a job” = offensive, uniformed (and wrong) assumption on your part

                                                                                                        “ring one of your mates in labor or the union” = another uniformed (and wrong) assumption on your part: not every person who criticises the LNP is a Labor/Green voter- the real world is not that simple

                                                                                                        Suggest you simply argue your case. There are already enough posters on here who play the person and not the issue.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Gigondas
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:55AM
                                                                                                      • Well my $550 has just been swallowed up by a letter fromAGL informing me guess what NEW ENERGY RATES from 15th July,: first 1,200 kWh/annum 37,532 up to winter peak 42.581, gas supply charge from 74.437 to 79.816 will that all come down after the carbon tax has gone??

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Amro
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:06AM
                                                                                                      • Surely the global temperature increase because of its removal is more important then the $550. Hopefully you can put a value on the impact of the removal of this tax on global temperatures. The Labor/Greens have described this as an "environmental disaster" can anyone quantify he magnitude?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Cwitty
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:09AM
                                                                                                      • Southpark, do read up on a subject before posting. If we are luck there a $250 saving per year which roughly equates to 68 cents a day, I say enjoy your slogan while it lasts. You do realise Coles, Woolies, Qantas etc are not passing on any costs!

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Get Real
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:21AM
                                                                                                      • Cwitty (11.09), so you can't quantify it, but you are certain that it is more "important" than $550. Do you see something slightly amiss there?!? Although I have to admit, your claim is a vast improvement on the usual claim that "the cost of inaction is higher than the cost of action", where NEITHER side of the equation is quantified!!

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Jim
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:32AM
                                                                                                      • Get Real, Rudd said $380 plus and ETS. Abbott says $550 and no ETS. It looks like they are on the same page to me. Any with a bit of nous would draw he same conclusion.

                                                                                                        Your opposition to the $550 is not genuine but I am sure your hate of Abbott is.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Southpark Conservative
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 12:29PM
                                                                                                      • S'Park, Jim, et al.
                                                                                                        The $500 is a quote from Treasury. So is the $380 figure.
                                                                                                        both are correct except the $500 is for the full effect of the CT on everything from groceries onwards. $380 only is for electricity and gas.
                                                                                                        Therefore, the $380 is probably the more accurate, but it is still only tiny; about 0.2% added to inflation, whilst GST added about 1% for example.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Econorat
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 2:36PM
                                                                                                    • So, let’s recap, shall we? A Government, for reasons too Byzantine and depressing to go into here, wants to repeal the price on carbon paid by companies that pollute. A billionaire who makes large amounts of money by polluting, who stands to gain millions by the repeal and who holds disproportionate power in the Senate, hatches a cunning plan.

                                                                                                      This billionaire pretends to be the Jolly Green Giant… the environment’s friend, no less, and blocks the repeal. He puts forward a ‘better’ plan in which the tax is replaced by an ETS. Some environmentalists, led by Al the Jolly Green Guru, applaud heartily. But what’s that? The ETS has a rate of what? Zero? The billionaire would pay how much? Zero? No matter. We’d have an ETS and all will be right with the world.

                                                                                                      The Government responds with a charm offensive towards the little PUPs in the Senate. This is easily repulsed (the natural fate of any charm offensive led by Eric ‘Colonel Klink’ Abetz, one would think). But wait, what’s that? Who’d have thought it! The Jolly Green Giant relents! In return for a meaningless addition of a bit of extra red tape that implies he’s the battler’s friend, he’ll let the repeal through! Glory be on high, it’s a miracle!

                                                                                                      And ‘conflict of interest’? Of course not. The reasoning? “I’m not a Senator”.

                                                                                                      You know it makes sense.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Gigondas
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      July 15, 2014, 10:00AM
                                                                                                      • In a nutshell.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        MP
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 10:28AM
                                                                                                      • Is there even a provision for a future ETS included in this Bill? It has received very little coverage considering it was Clive's main condition only a couple of days ago.

                                                                                                        Has Clive rolled over or has the government?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Syd
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydnaaaaay
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:06AM
                                                                                                      • Syd, I think it's safe to assume that Clive could never imagine a world where he had to roll over. The chances of any sort of real price on carbon while Clive and the Puppies are in charge is remote.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Gigondas
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        July 15, 2014, 11:34AM
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