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Government enjoys carbon tax victory

The government was enjoying its carbon tax victory on Thursday, as the Greens mourned and Labor backed an ETS.

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So just when you thought we were up to the long winter break, it looks like we will get a bonus edition of Parliament!

On that exciting note, we leave you for the evening.

But before that, what did we learn today?

 

Many thanks for tuning in for what was a historic day - whatever you think about the carbon tax.

And a shout out to all those who commented. More than 1000 comments!

Alex Ellinghausen and I will be back tomorrow for one last Pulse before the break.

 

 

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbot after the carbon tax repeal on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbot after the carbon tax repeal on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Senate has taken a dinner break until 7.30pm.

It will then have until 11pm to debate the mining tax repeal.

There may be a vote. There may not.

(Sorry not to be more specific!)

The House is debating changes to the Seniors Health Card.

It has extended its hours today but is not likely to sit as late as the Senate tonight.

There is a good chance both houses of Parliament will be back tomorrow for a special Friday sitting.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten speaks on a MPI after question time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten speaks on a MPI after question time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor's Claire Moore also asks for "guidance" on the use of advertising material in the chamber.

As does the Greens Rachel Siewert, who also notes she would like to know if the fluro tops have been provided to Senators for the purpose of wearing them in the chamber.

Macdonald hops back up and says he does not see what the problem is.

He notes his name on the top: "perhaps I'm advertising myself."

And re: Australians for Coal: "I'm not sure which company that is".

The matter has been referred to Senate President Stephen Parry.

 

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal as Bill Heffernan storms off. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal as Bill Heffernan storms off. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

But don't think this is the end of the orange top.

Fellow Coalition MP Bill Heffernan gets up multiple times to protest Macdonald's fluro.

This is embossed with "Macdonald" and also bears the logo for "Australians for Coal".

Heffernan seems to be brandishing his own top, still in the plastic packaging.

He is unhappy about advertising material in the chamber.

"It sets a precedent."

"Bill Heffernan, Friends of Coca Cola," he suggests.

"I've told the Minerals Council to shove this!"

Senator Bill Heffernan on the orange tops. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Bill Heffernan on the orange tops. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"I proudly wear this high-vis vest in the chamber today..."

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald on the mining tax. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald on the mining tax. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Macdonald has been having a grand old go at the Greens and their involvement in the mining tax.

"Don't let the Greens fool you. They were in it up to their neck with the Labor government!"

While all this is going on, Greens senator Scott Ludlam wanders around and sits behind Macdonald.

He holds up a sign that reads: "SRSLY!"

It doesn't not take long for Cory Bernardi - who is the chair - to discipline Ludlam.

 

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal while Scott Ludlam holds up a sign. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal while Scott Ludlam holds up a sign. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald stands to argue in favour of the repeal.

He is wearing a bright orange mining uniform.

He says he is supporting the miners and those who work in the industry.

The mining tax "discouraged investment and therefore, discouraged jobs".

(The orange is clashing wildly with the Senate's red decor.)

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Liberal Senator Ian Macdonald speaks on the mining tax repeal. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"Rather than seeing this tax repealed, we should fix this tax!"

Christine Milne is telling the Senate that loopholes in the mining tax should be closed to bring in the big tax dollars. 

She points out that Joe Hockey has a revenue issue at the moment.

"I'm ready to give him more revenue!"

"I am standing here ready to help Mr Hockey..."

As the Senate continues to chat mining tax, here is some Ellinghausen magic.

The full set of the nine booted Labor MPs - in order of their dismissal from the House during question time today.

The last QT for more than a month. But the first in a post-carbon tax world.

 

New Defence chief Mark Binskin was also on hand.

(You don't get away with falling asleep in the military. Imagine the push ups!)

Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop (centre) and Chief of the Defence Force Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin (right) meet with General Fan Changlong, Vice Chair of China's Central Military Commission. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop (centre) and Chief of the Defence Force Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin (right) meet with General Fan Changlong, Vice Chair of China's Central Military Commission. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We trust that the Defence Minister was not snoozing in his meeting this afternoon with the equal most senior military figure in China.

General Fan Changlong is the Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission and is out in Australia.

This afternoon he has been meeting with David Johnston, Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop and then Tony Abbott (in three separate meetings).

Prime Minister Tony Abbott meets with General Fan Changlong, Vice Chair of China's Central Military Commission on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott meets with General Fan Changlong, Vice Chair of China's Central Military Commission on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

It has been a long day.

So can you blame Defence Minister David Johnston for closing his eyes in the Senate during the Asset Recycling Fund debate just now?

 

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Coalition staffers were called together after the carbon tax repeal today for a collective yay.

But at the end of the meeting, in an unusual move, Tony Abbott's chief-of-staff Peta Credlin asked the 80 or so female staff to stay behind.

As James Massola reports in an exclusive story, Credlin called on the women for their ideas about how to assist conservative women rise through the ranks to be MPs, senators or senior staffers.

Credlin also told the crowd about the hurt she suffered when Clive Palmer attacked her personally over the government's PPL scheme.

The Asset Recycling Fund bills (there are two) have passed the Senate.

With amendments.

The Senate is now debating the Minerals Resource Rent Tax Repeal and Other Measures Bill.

AKA the mining tax.

"The imaginary banner behind Tony Abbott might have read 'Emission accomplished!' such was his obvious delight as he strode to the lectern on Thursday..."

Chief political correspondent Mark Kenny writes on the carbon tax repeal.

And the policy hollow that has accompanied it.

The Senate continues to debate the Asset Recycling Bill. But the mining tax loiters on the not-too-distant horizon.

While this happens, the analysis about the carbon tax repeal continues.

SMH environment editor Peter Hannam has written on the winners and losers out of today:

On the face of it, the winners from the repeal of Australia’s carbon price will be the 371 liable entities paying the tax and consumers who forked out more for goods and services as the emissions charge was passed on.

Losers will include firms that have profited from their relatively low carbon output compared with rivals, such as Snowy Hydro and Hydro Tasmania. Accounting and corporate advisory firms are also likely to cut jobs as demand for their expertise dims.

 We reported earlier that Bernardi had some interesting things to say about the state of political play.

But unfortunately the Liberal Senator was bumped from our TV screens for the PM's press conference, so we didn't get to hear the rest of his lunchtime speech.

Luckily, Matthew Knott went and had beef and mash at the Press Club for Cory Bernardi's address.

Matt reports that Bernardi had plenty of other provocative thoughts.

Including, that senators should be banned from serving as ministers, corporate donations should be outlawed and all perks should end when politicians leave office.

 

 

Liberal Democratic Party senator David Leyonhjelm has also talked of his increasing frustration with Clive Palmer and his PUPs, for their reluctance to engage properly with other MPs

And for not basing their votes on a "consistent position".

"Senators Nick Xenophon and John Madigan are fine, I mean, I understand their position," Leyonhjelm told Lateline last night.

"Senator Bob Day is fine. It’s just the Palmer people and Ricky Muir who I’m finding very hard to follow their position."

(There may be a few other people within the Parliamentary compound who are having similar difficulties, just quietly.)

Indeed, other non-carbon tax things are happening today.

As David Wroe reports, Tony Abbott has urged journalists not to report on national security matters that could endanger the country.

This comes as he defends proposed laws that would criminalise the disclosure of certain ASIO operations.

"I'd ask for a sense of responsibility, a sense of national interest, as well as simply commercial interest," the PM said.

And having said that, the Senate is back to legislative business - as we type - to consider the Asset Recycling Bill.

This will set up a fund to encourage states and territories to sell public assets and then put the money into infrastructure.

If states and territories reinvest the money in things like roads and ports they will receive a 15 per cent bonus from the Commonwealth.

Labor wants to amend the bill so Parliament can veto the 15 per cent payments on a project-by-project basis.

It also wants a cost-benefit analysis by Infrastructure Australia before payments are approved.

 

The Senate is due to re-debate legislation no later than 4.30pm.

It still has a long list to get through, including the Asset Recycling Fund, mining tax, Qantas Sale Amendment Bill and the Land Transport Infrastructure Bill.

It can sit through to 11pm if it needs to.

And then come back tomorrow to keep going.

 

After question time, Labor has launched into a Matter of Public Importance discussion.

It is entitled:

"The Prime Minister's chaotic and unfair budget hurting Australians."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten speaks on an MPI after QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten speaks on an MPI after QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Leader of the house Christopher Pyne comes to the despatch box to note that the House may need to sit later than usual tonight.

It would usually rise at 5pm, but given the Senate is still sitting - and may have changes that it needs to send back to the lower house for approval - the House needs to stay open.

Pyne says that he and Tony Burke have agreed they will make a call later this afternoon on what is needed.

MPs then agree that "automatic adjournment of the House" today be "suspended".

At 3.10pm, Tony Abbott calls an end to question time and the jellyfish metaphors. 

Nine Labor MPs did not last the distance. Zero Coalition MPs were sent out.

We finish question time with a dixer to Scott Morrison on why it is so important to be resolute in dealing with the scourge of people smuggling

Yesterday, Morrison labelled the Labor frontbench a "school of jellyfish" when it came to border protection.

Today, he goes with: "swarm" and then "bloom of jellyfish".

"But if they ever get back in to government, it won't be a jellyfish with a sting ... it will be a jellyfish that will just be taken away by every single current that would take them in whatever direction ..."

 

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We have a dixer to Small Business Minister Bruce Billson (on what else, but the carbon tax) before BS comes back to TA.

Shorten is sticking like sticky tape with Joe Hockey's talk of budget cuts that parliament does not need to legislate.

How much more will Australian families have to suffer under the Treasurer's alternative budget?

Abbott is unmoved.

"Madam Speaker, as a result of this government's budget, there will continue to be a strong and generous social safety net ...

"Members opposite just cannot be trusted with the budget. They have proved that over six years. They just cannot be trusted with the economy and that means they just can't be trusted in government."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor's health spokeswoman Catherine King asks Tony Abbott why sick and elderly patients should be stopped from getting the GP treatment they need because of the co-payment?

"What sort of deficit do they [Labor] want us to skyrocket towards?" the PM wonders as Labor's Joanne Ryan is kicked out.

 

After another Labor question to the PM, asking what further cuts the government is planning (this time for apprentices), Environment Minister Greg Hunt gets a moment in the post-carbon tax sun.

NSW Liberal MP Ann Sudmalis asks:

Will you update the House on the benefit of business growth from scrapping the carbon tax?

"I can inform the House the carbon tax is gone," a delighted Hunt says. 

He also has a serious message for Australian households:

"You don't need to do anything. We'll make sure you receive all your savings."

The carbon tax is a "rotting, stinking carcass" around Bill Shorten's neck, according to Christopher Pyne.

That's an image for your Thursday afternoon.

Pyne has just been dixered on how scrapping the carbon tax will support jobs.

He tells Shorten that by backing an ETS, "you have given the Coalition a whole new lease of life".

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Leader of the House Christopher Pyne during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Leader of the House Christopher Pyne during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

A dixer to Foreign Minister Julie Bishop on international approaches to taxing carbon is too much for Labor MP Andrew Giles.

He, too, is out for an hour.

Labor MP Andrew Giles leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Andrew Giles leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

An update on Jacqui Lambie, PUP and the ETS.

Lisa Cox tells us:

Clive Palmer says the government has not given PUP a guarantee it will move to an ETS.

He said what Lambie meant to say was she "anticipated" the government would agree to an ETS.

He said negotiations have not begun with the government over its ETS amendment because it was still being drafted.

 

 

From here we step lightly over to a dixer to Joe Hockey.

Will the Treasurer outline the economic imperative of fixing the budget?

And then on to a question from BS to TA.

Now the Treasurer's confirmed the government's looking at further cuts, will the Prime Minister be cutting the National Disability Insurance Scheme as recommended by his Commission of Audit?

"Madam Speaker, I can assure the Leader of the Opposition, that contrary to his assertions, there are no cuts of the nature that he suggests - none whatsoever.

"The Leader of the Opposition should stop scaring vulnerable people."

Mark Dreyfus is kicked out in the process.

Labor's Pat Conroy has a question for the PM

I refer to the Prime Minister's claim that Whyalla will be wiped off the map as a result of the carbon price. Can the PM advise as to the date when reconstruction of Whyalla will begin?

(Conroy also holds up a picture of a lamb roast in Whyalla.)

Madam Speaker describes the question as "curious". But allows it through.

The PM replies that previous modelling showed that cities like Whyalla were in "big trouble".

"I am looking forward to visiting the people of Whyalla and reassuring them at last they have a government that's on their side," Abbott says.

 

Labor MP Pat Conroy on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Pat Conroy on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We note that at the halfway-ish mark, there are six Labor MPs gone.

(Tim Watts joined the rebel kids outside during the crossbench question.)

After the crossbench question (Cathy McGowan to Malcolm Turnbull about mobile phone coverage) we have a dixer to Joe Hockey.

Nola Marino asks the Treasurer to outline the significance of scrapping the world's biggest carbon tax?

Hockey tells the chamber that good money times are here again.

"Our population will be wealthier, there will be more job opportunities, and the only problem is - the only threat is - that if anyone ever votes for the Labor Party again, we'll see the carbon tax back."

What did Husic do?

He was being sent out anyway for an hour - by Madam Speaker - for his interjecting.

She told him to leave "quickly".

He replied: "I'll be quicker than a Warren Truss answer".

Labor MP Ed Husic leaves after being named. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Ed Husic leaves after being named. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The House votes ayes 84, noes 49 to suspend Husic for 24 hours.

Noice early mark for him.

Labor MP Ed Husic leaves the House for 24 hours. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Ed Husic leaves the House for 24 hours. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

And the chamber is now voting on whether to kick Ed Husic out for 24 hours.

Bronwyn Bishop has named the member for Chifley for his spirited interjecting in the next question from Labor's Tim Watts to Tony Abbott about further cuts the government is planning

 

 

Back in the House, we have lost a whole lotta Labor MPs.

A dixer to Warren Truss on the carbon tax has done it.

Graham Perrett, Terri Butler and Lisa Chesters have all gone.

 

Labor MP Graham Perrett leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Graham Perrett leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We note these Jacqui Lambie's comments in her doorstop with Wilkie just before question time.

 

Labor's second question is from Chris Bowen and is to Joe Hockey.

I refer to the Treasurer's new approach of pursuing alternative savings measures

Will the Treasurer consider the following alternatives: scrapping the Prime Minister's signature $20 billion paid parental leave scheme, scrapping the $2.6 billion Direct Action policy, dropping tax breaks for multi-national companies and stopping the reversal of Labor's measures to ensure higher income earners pay a fair tax on superannuation?

"I really appreciate that question," Hockey says.

"Becuase, obviously, it's started to dawn on the Labor Party that they have to have an alternative to their [budget] approach."

Labor's Nick Champion becomes the first MP to be kicked out.

(During that dixer to the PM.)

Labor MP Nick Champion leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Nick Champion leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Sydney Liberal MP and tennis ace John Alexander asks the first dixer.

It is to the PM.

And is on the carbon tax.

Will the Prime Minister inform the House how all Australian families and businesses will benefit now that the world's biggest carbon tax has been scrapped?

And are there any circumstances under which the carbon tax could return?

Abbott begins by stating the very obvious:

"The carbon tax is finally gone."

And then he keeps up the fight against Labor.

"The carbon tax is unloved by the Australian people. But it is still loved by members opposite."

First question.

BS to TA

And he goes straight for the Hockey jugular.

Given the Treasurer spectacularly failed to justify his unfair budget, that the Treasurer is threatening to hurt Australians even more if he doesn't get his way in the Senate and given that senior Liberals are questioning the Treasurer's judgment, does he still have the confidence of the PM, or will the Treasurer be another victim of this unfair budget?

The PM knocks it back.

"I do thank the Leader of the Opposition for his question, because it gives me an opportunity to say that I am proud, I am proud, of this Treasurer."

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott takes a question from Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott takes a question from Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Question time.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey arrive for QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Treasurer Joe Hockey arrive for QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The transport option for other PUP peeps was more luxurious today.

(Palmer's Bentley was used to ferry staffers from their hotel to Parliament.)

Staffer to Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer board the Bentley to work on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Staffer to Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer board the Bentley to work on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

It has been a busy day for Lambie.

Along with hugging people about the carbon tax and discussing Tasmanian economy, she has also had a ride on a timber push bike (the "carbon cycle") to promote forest industry products and support CSIRO forestry scientists who face job cuts.

 

PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In non-carbon tax repeal news, Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie has teamed up with Tasmanian PUP senator Jacqui Lambie to discuss the economic crisis on the west coast of Tasmania.

"I call on the federal and state Liberal Governments to start showing some genuine interest in this matter, rather than going missing in action or just telling workers to ring Centrelink," Wilkie has said.

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie and PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie and PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Alex Ellinghausen has captured the moment the repeal went through this morning. 

The Greens watch as the PUP senators embrace.

Greens Senators observe PUP Senators celebrating after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Greens Senators observe PUP Senators celebrating after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Meanwhile, Cory Bernardi has been down at the National Press Club, giving an address about how Australian politics is in need of "serious reform".

He is very concerned about voter disenchantment.

"There is a distinct disconnect between the people and the people that represent them," he has said.

"It is as if politicians have forgotten that Parliament House was deliberately built within the hill, not on top of it.

"The public now, sadly expect pollies to break their promise ... it is as if political opinions are like Lotto numbers, chosen at random to suit the mood of the day." 

Senator Cory Bernardi at the National Press Club.

Senator Cory Bernardi at the National Press Club. Photo: Jeffrey Chan

In other godly news, Sydney Morning Herald political editor Peter Hartcher tells us that at the time the carbon tax repeal vote went through the Senate, there was a rainbow over Lake Burley Griffin.

 

Is God being sarcastic here?

"We are a conservationist government."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Another question to the PM:

Just to clarify - because I'm not sure you answered it - do you rule out ever introducing a carbon-pricing mechanism?

"Well, we certainly will not do anything that damages our economy or puts our people and our businesses at an unfair competitive disadvantage," he replies.

"We're never ever going to do that. We stand up for Australia."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt address the media after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through the Senate. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt address the media after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through the Senate. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Is Direct Action a long-term policy? Can it reduce Australia's emissions by 5 per cent of 2000 levels by 2020?

"Can I just say that Direct Action is a long-term policy. It is designed to be flexible," the PM says.

"It is very clear you can reduce emissions, we will reduce emissions. We will do it without a carbon tax..."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The PM is asked:

Are you saying that never ever should Australia have a price on carbon in any way?

"What I'm saying is that we've scrapped the carbon tax and Bill Shorten is still committed to it ... whether it is a floating tax or a fixed tax."

Is it the case that Australia is now in a sort of environmental limbo without an actual mechanism for achieving our emissions reductions target?

"I don't accept that at all ... We are a conservationist government. We are a government which absolutely appreciates that we have only got one planet and we should pass it on to our children and grandchildren in at least as good shape as we found it."

 

After Barnaby Joyce's warm up act, Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt are now offering their thoughts on the repeal of the carbon tax.

They are in the PM's courtyard.

"If I could address a few words to the Australian people," Abbott begins.

"You voted to scrap the tax in September last year and today the Parliament has finally listened."

Abbott says the Hunt is "entitled to feel some pride today".

The Environment Minister is still in campaign mode.

"It was pain without gain," he says of the tax.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Here's a question for Bill Shorten (courtesy of Channel Seven's Mark Riley):

Kevin Rudd argued for an ETS and lost his job. Malcolm Turnbull argued for an ETS and he lost his job. Julia Gillard [argued for an ETS and] she lost his job. Kevin Rudd came back and argued for an ETS and lost his job. 

What makes you think you can argue for an ETS and win an election?

"Australians aren't silly," the Labor leader says.

"Australians get that climate change is real."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Senator Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Senator Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor leader Bill Shorten is in the Opposition Party Room with Penny Wong.

They are reacting to the big repeal.

"An emissions trading scheme is the policy which Labor will take to the next election," he says.

Are there any circumstances in which Labor would support the Coalition's Direct Action policy?

All serious experts view Direct Action as "nothing far removed from a boondoggle," Shorten replies.

"An inefficient mechanism where you pay wads of taxpayer money to big polluters for little likely result."

 

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Senator Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, Senator Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"Australia is in a climate coma."

The Age's environment editor Tom Arup has filed an analysis of this morning's repeal.

What has been lost with the repeal?

"Australia no longer has a hard cap on the amount of planet-warming gases that can be released by Australia's largest companies.

"The requirement for industry to take account of the broader social cost of their emissions is gone."

If you're just tuning it, the Senate voted to repeal the carbon tax, just under an hour ago.

39 votes to 32.

The news is already attracting international attention.

The BBC is reporting that despite a "fierce row about the tax for years" the tax is gone.

Says Barnaby Joyce:

"I believe that there is climate change happening, I just don't believe that we are going to change it with a broad-based consumption tax."

Joyce isn't resting on the laurels of the Senate vote.

He is keeping up the fight.

"Even though we've got rid of the carbon tax today, if you want the carbon tax back, if you want to pay more than you should again, it's quite simple.

"Put Mr Shorten into government and you will get it back. It's still his policy."

(Labor's policy, BTW, is to move to an emissions trading scheme.)

Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce stands up for the government for a post-repeal presser.

This does not happen from the serious surrounds of the Blue Room.

Joyce joins the line-up in the Senate courtyard.

"I am glad that the carbon tax has been repealed and I know that the Australian Greens are upset by that," he says.

 

Milne is also asked about the Greens opposition to Kevin Rudd's ETS in 2009. 

(i.e. What if you hadn't killed it off?)

"Let's just put this one to bed.

"Kevin Rudd went and negotiated with the Liberals.

"Penny Wong and Ian Macfarlane browned that scheme down to the point where it was worse than useless and any responsibility for the disaster of that lies with the Liberal and Labor parties of the time."

Greens leader Senator Christine Milne and Greens MP Adam Bandt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Greens leader Senator Christine Milne and Greens MP Adam Bandt on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Milne is asked if it is time for the Greens to work with Labor to come up with a compromise on climate change that would maintain public support.

(Rather than the Greens' push for a 40 to 60 per cent reductions in emissions by 2030.)

"What we have on the table is what the Climate Change Authority recommended," she says.

"This is the Australian Parliament's asbestos moment, our tobacco moment. When we knew what we were doing was harmful," says Greens deputy Adam Bandt.

The Greens are out in the Senate courtyard.

"Don't despair," Christine Milne says to people who are angry about the repeal of the carbon tax this morning. 

"This is going to be a short-lived moment for the Abbott government. Because global warming is not going away."

Greens leader Senator Christine Milne and Greens MP Adam Bandt address the media after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through the Senate. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Greens leader Senator Christine Milne and Greens MP Adam Bandt address the media after the carbon tax repeal bill goes through the Senate. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has just sent an email to supporters with the subject: "the Carbon Tax is gone!"

"This is great news for Australian families and for our nation's small businesses," he writes.

"Scrapping the Carbon Tax will save the average family $550 a year. 

"You’ll see the benefits in coming power bills."

"One down, one to go!"

PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie has done a brief doorstop outside the Senate chamber.

She is talking of course of the mining tax repeal, which is also on the to-do list today.

 

 

As this happens, we note a report by SMH environment editor Peter Hannam this morning

Australia cut carbon dioxide emissions from its electricity sector by as much as 17 million tonnes because of the carbon price and would have curbed more had industry expected the price to be permanent, according to an Australian National University study.

The report, due to be submitted for peer-reviewed publication, found the two years of the carbon price had a discernible impact on emissions - even assuming conservative responses by consumers and businesses.

 

Lisa Cox reports that Australia has become the first country in the world to abolish a price on carbon.

This comes after two weeks of negotiations with the crossbench and numerous false starts.

But the Abbott government has finally achieved its election commitment to axe the "toxic" tax.

 

Outside the Senate, however, the reaction is revving up:

 

The Senate does not dwell on the moment.

It is straight into a debate about the Asset Recycling Fund bills.

 

The carbon tax repeal bills have passed.

39 ayes to 32 noes.

There is applause as Stephen Parry makes the announcement.

And a "hear, hear" from the government benches.

(Looking at where people are sitting)

Only Labor and the Greens are voting to block the repeal.

The government and the other crossbenchers have combined to pass it.

That is, all the other crossbenchers except Nick Xenophon, who has been unwell and is not in the chamber.

Vote on the carbon tax repeal on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Vote on the carbon tax repeal on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

President Stephen Parry now proposes that the Carbon Tax Repeal Bill and its seven related bills are read a third time.

This is the final vote.

The bells ring as the chamber divides.

 

Labor's Lisa Singh addresses the chamber, as it is poised to repeal the carbon tax. 

"This is a fundamental moment in Australia's history...

"We are about to devastate the future of this country," she says. 

"Labor stands by the science ... Labor will not stand with the government on this."

 

 

Coalition Senator Ian Macdonald stands in reply.

"It's typical that the Greens think they know better than everyone and want to guide everyone."

The Greens are heckling back.

"You lied! You deceived!"

"A total con job!"

 

Senator Ian Macdonald on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Ian Macdonald on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

There are not always speeches at this stage - just before the third reading.

But it shows that the Greens really do not want to let this go.

"I am here to say that the Greens will join with everyone across the country in bringing back to this Parliament ... a more rigorous framework of legislation that will get Australia on to the track we need to be on, and that is a 40 to 60 per cent emissions reduction target on 2000 levels by 2030," Milne says.

 

Greens Leader Christine Milne stands to make another speech.

Her voice wavers with emotion.

"This is a critical moment for our nation ... the vote of every person in this Senate will be the legacy of their political career ...

"A vote for the abolition of the Clean Energy Package is a vote for failure, because it is a recognition that the Parliament doesn't want to face up to the four to six degrees of warming that is the trajectory we are on as a planet.

"They don't want to face up to what is intergenerational theft."

Christine Milne on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Christine Milne on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Senate votes 38 yes to 34 noes to adopt the report of the committee.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann now moves that the bills be read a third time.

(Which would make the repeal official.)

 

The Senate is now voting on whether the "report" of itself sitting in committee format be adopted.

(The report was that last vote.)

This sounds complicated, but don't worry about the process.

If the Senate votes yes here, it is voting to repeal the carbon tax.

 

The Senate votes 38 to 32 to agree to the carbon tax repeal bills without amendment.

The Senate votes 39 to 32 to keep the current arrangements that would cut ARENA's funding.

Christine Milne gives another speech, urging the Senate to keep funding to the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and to re-appoint people to its board. 

"You are killing ARENA through the back door."

Labor is also calling for the funds to be maintained.

Earlier this month, Ricky Muir and PUP combined to save ARENA (which is due to come for abolition later this year).

But they have also agreed to the government's plans to cut ARENA's budget by $435 million.

The carbon tax repeal bills will leave the agency with only $100 million or so over the next four years for new projects.

 

We are hearing from various Senate sources that the debate/ committee stage of the carbon tax repeal bills should end at about 10.30am.

And this will pave the way for the final round of votes to repeal the carbon tax.

#justlettingyouknow

#appreciatethismaychange

#ficklesenate

The Senate votes 10 ayes and 45 noes against the Greens amendments.

Labor's Lisa Singh also moves some more amendments, to keep the Steel Transformation Plan.

This is voted down, 33 to 38.

The Senate votes on the Greens amendment on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Senate votes on the Greens amendment on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Greens Leader Christine Milne comes back to Mathias Cormann with more questions about what the ACCC will do when the carbon tax is repealed.

And then the bells ring for a Greens amendment (opposing funding to the Australian Renewable Energy Agency).

Christine Milne on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Christine Milne on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Senate votes down Labor's amendment 37 noes to 32 ayes.

This happens as Tony Abbott does a doorstop in Sydney, saying that he is not "blaming" the crossbench for the fact that a carbon prices is still in place.

(He blames Labor.)

 

The Senate bells are ringing for *a* vote on the carbon tax.

This is for an amendment moved by Labor to move to an emissions trading scheme.

 

Wong is followed by Coalition Senator Ian Macdonald.

He has a question for Finance Minister Mathias Cormann:

Did the Australian public clearly say at the last election, they wanted to get rid of the carbon tax?

Cormann hops up and agrees wholeheartedly.

The 2013 election was a referendum on getting rid of the carbon tax.

 

In the Senate, Labor's Penny Wong is railing against the fact that a carbon tax repeal vote appears imminent.

"There was bi-partisan commitment half a decade a go to do the right thing," she says.

"As long as polluting is free we will see more and more pollution."

Wong - who was Climate Change Minister in 2009 and 2010 when the ETS fell over - says "future generations will be appalled" at Parliament getting rid of the carbon tax.

She describes Abbott as "one of the most selfish people to occupy the office of Prime Minister".

Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Penny Wong on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In Sydney the Prime Minister trumpets the fact that the Coalition is getting rid of the carbon tax.

"We know that making life easier for businesses to invest, to employ, to produce and to trade is what drives national growth and prosperity. 

"Here in Australia, we are trying to lead by example. We are scrapping bad taxes like the carbon tax and the mining tax and we are cutting company tax," he says.

The PM tells the B20 of the promise he has made about the G20, which is in Brisbane in November.

"I said that the G20 had to be so much more than a talk-fest. 

"Otherwise the leaders of the world's largest and most representative economies could be accused of wasting each others' time.

"The whole point of assembling leaders representing some 80 per cent of the world's gross domestic product is jointly and individually to encourage measures that will make everyone on this planet better off. 

"This year's G20 will focus on just a few key subjects because progress usually comes one step at a time. 

"The G20 will deliver a 3-page communique in plain language because we need to talk not at length about our good intentions but concisely and precisely what we will do to put good intentions into practice ..."

Tony Abbott at the B20 conference in Sydney. Photo: Christopher Pearce/Fairfax Media via Getty Images

Tony Abbott at the B20 conference in Sydney. Photo: Christopher Pearce/Fairfax Media via Getty Images

Luke Malpass from the Australian Financial Review has a good explainer on what the B20 is.

As he writes: 

In 2010 the B20 was formed alongside the G20 to help business contribute to the policymaking process in a collaborative manner rather than just being on the receiving end of sometimes ill thought out policy.

In Sydney this year it comprises about 300 international business leaders who plan to "finalise and prioritise recommendations for G20 governments and discuss how business can contribute to the G20 agenda".

The bells have rung in the Senate.

And so, the red room continues to debate the carbon tax repeal.

In Sydney, Tony Abbott is at the lectern addressing the B20.

Mitchell: Have you got a Plan B?

Hockey: Maybe we can have Plan A with a small variation.

Joe Hockey has been out on the airwaves again this morning.

He has told Neil Mitchell on 3AW that the budget needs "everyone to push in the right direction".

To those who oppose the Coalition's budget plans (i.e. the entire rest of the Parliament), Hockey said: "if you don't agree with our plans, what is yours?"

When asked how he would get to the Coalition's promised budget surplus, the Treasurer replied: via the plan the government has "laid down" in the budget.

"But it's been blocked!" Mitchell said. 

 

 

As this brews, Deloitte Access Economics director Chris Richardson has warned that the budget deficit could be $12 billion larger in four years than originally planned - due the Senate blocking (or planning to block) savings measures.

These include the scrapping of family tax benefits and other welfare changes; the scrapping of the low-income superannuation contribution boost; and the axing of the Australian Renewable Energy Agency.

Gareth Hutchens has the full report here.

 

Mark Kenny and James Massola report this morning that Joe Hockey's threat yesterday to bypass the Senate with spending cuts that don't need legislation has sparked not only a new Labor scare campaign, but concerns within the government over the Treasurer's judgement.

One long-time Liberal is quoted as saying that budget is in trouble because it lacks consistency.

"[The] only unifying thing [is] how it has unified our enemies."

We do of course have one beady eye - as always - fixed on the Senate and the carbon tax repeal.

But the debate so far this morning is all about the budget.

Remember the budget?

It was handed down more than 2 months ago and there is still a lot of crank and disagreement about it. 

 

Good morning from Canberra.

The House sits from 9am.

The Senate sits from 9.30am.

Tony Abbott will give a speech this morning from Sydney to the B20 Summit.

And Cory Bernardi is at the National Press Club at lunch.

The topic of his address?

"Australian politics is in need of serious reform."

It's the last sitting day before a five week break ... or is it?

The government is "hopeful" that the carbon tax will be repealed today.

But the Senate can sit tomorrow and at the weekend if it doesn't.

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  • @6.32. PM "space for sale" - don't like where that is leading (but it would make a great resource for many. many Abbott jokes). In the end - NOT a good look guys!

    Commenter
    Jump
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 7:02PM
  • Abbotteers are still perplexed why warming oceans are warming.

    Abbotteers remain confused why 27% increase in atmospheric Co2 creates global warming.

    Abbotteers cannot work out why Australia cannot change the climate of the atmosphere because the atmospheric climate is controlled by ocean climate and not by Australian abatement.

    Abbotteers think the earth is not warming although the oceans cover 72% of the earth and warming, despite Abbotteer’s inability to rationalize that warming seas actually do melt ice they are pleased to see the continuance of global warming and ice melt.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:53PM
  • Yee haawww, There's a record for you Judith. Proving how popular the Pulse is.
    Should keep the wolves from the door.
    Excellent commentary, and pics Alex.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:34PM
  • At least Canberra can get a break for four weeks. Can you imagine those whinging, moaning, Greens and ALP politicians going back to their electorates to explain their loses. Could be pitchforks and burning hay stacks.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:30PM
    • EiE - try the glass-is-half-full approach occasionally. Doom and gloom at this point in politics is a little too heavy-handed.
      Mistakes can be fixed ! (Yes - even for those who view it simply as black and white or right vs. left).

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 7:11PM
  • Go. Scott, best speech writer in the House.
    We will never forget your candid delivery and frankness.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:26PM
  • That's why the Chinese are in town. They wanted to be sure there would never be a shortage of the stuff we dig out of the ground, ever. They are here protecting their patch. And it is their patch. And Tony is helping them out.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:24PM
    • The Chinese are in town because "Diamond Joe" Hockey made them an offer on the Opera House they couldn't refuse. The only question is will they pay in US dollars or Chinese Yuan...Personally I prefer Yuan.

      Commenter
      zac48
      Location
      Melb.
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:58PM
  • As usual from this government good politics always comes before good policy and with Palmer holding the balance of power in the Senate there is not much hope for the mining Super Tax not getting repealed - Wonder how is Hockey getting his revenue from.if they repeal every revenue raising taxes.

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:21PM
  • 1014. Did we really do it?

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:20PM
  • I must go back and look at comments about Gillards Chief of Staff Amanda Lampe.

    I am sure that the remarks were not pleasant

    5:19pm: Coalition staffers were called together after the carbon tax repeal today for a collective yay.
    But at the end of the meeting, in an unusual move, Tony Abbott's chief-of-staff Peta Credlin asked the 80 or so female staff to stay behind.
    As James Massola reports in an exclusive story, Credlin called on the women for their ideas about how to assist conservative women rise through the ranks to be MPs, senators or senior staffers.
    Credlin also told the crowd about the hurt she suffered when Clive Palmer attacked her personally over the government's PPL scheme.

    Commenter
    tashman1
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:19PM
  • 6.02 somehow I don,t think Smokin Joe will go will Milne's revenue raiser. MAKES Perfect sense though especially given most of the big Miners are Global Co's.

    Commenter
    A country hal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 6:10PM
  • Poor old Cory Bernardi having to stand in TA's shadow. Some of his ideas aren't too bad including "senators should be banned from serving as ministers, corporate donations should be outlawed and all perks should end when politicians leave office" , I can't see these ever happening, especially dumping the donations and pulling pollie's perks but nice try.

    Commenter
    stevek
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:58PM
  • Looks like the other lot telling us what to do are in town being entertained by the Defense Minister and Julie Bishop. Rupert will have company in running the country.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:52PM
    • Should well and truly be there now Pluto.
      The blog is crashing a bit for me though, might be at capacity?
      Or perhaps it's the journo laws and we are being hacked or tracked.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:22PM
  • Is Hacka Delores?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:52PM
  • Gee the relationship with China looks pretty amicable. Where's Plibersek? Consoling Bill about what Gillard is going to say to him about defending her legacy?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:52PM
    • Remember that Bill supports what Gillard says, even if he hasn't hear it. It would be comic genius except that he is now Leader of the Opposition and so it's just rather sad for Australia.

      Commenter
      Oh, really?
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:32PM
  • So where are the shrill misogynistic cries about Peta Credlin now that she's encouraging women to excel?

    Commenter
    Sick of the left
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:51PM
    • Don't worry, the lefties will find a way to make that a negative.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:17PM
    • She's only encouraging very special women to excel. The self-described lifters. Don't for a moment that she is sharing it around.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:37PM
    • ho has ever labelled Peta Credlin a misogynist? She could be encouraging Abbott to allow more women into the LNP cabinet and excel, They could hardly do worse than the blokes and both Bishops.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:45PM
  • And what did we learn today?
    How after a relentless and MSM complicit campaign proactive measures to combat emissions are repealed.

    Commenter
    A country gal.
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:45PM
  • 5:39pm: Is this the meeting that didn't happen, surely a government with a heart and mentality as our own.

    Commenter
    Get Real
    Location
    Like minds somehow collide
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:44PM
  • "In that case the kettle did boil"

    Perhaps you did it right?

    Commenter
    Hacker2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:41PM
  • The Greens are off storm chasing.
    Palmer is off to the Chinese Restaurant.
    Shorten is plotting against himself.
    Abbott is standing proud.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Hansard
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:34PM
    • If I can come around to supporting Shorten, anybody can. He didn't do Julia in and shouldn't be blamed for it.

      And when it comes to policy, the LNP hasn't got anyone in his class. He'll make a fine PM. What's more, he won't make his enemies ashamed of him too boot.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:43PM
  • So glad you are celebrating Hacka. The day Australia became the laughing stock on the global stage. Total embarrassment! This will be a memorable day indeed. One that's going to take years to get over.

    Commenter
    King of Kirribilli
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:30PM
  • I have a message for Peta. It will happen as quickly as it has happened for most other women in society: slowly. Men don't give up power that easily, not to other men and not to women, whatever you might think from you powerful position. And I reckon that men, in conservative politics, would be the last to give up their place in line when it comes to the chance for political advancement.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:29PM
  • 5.19 what's this Peta, taking a page out of Cameron's book. nothing will change under this regime- too much ironing to be done.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:29PM
  • Apparently the 1000th post is going to win a years free subscription.

    Could be you Pen.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Its Luck and Destiny
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:28PM
  • Has anyone noticed a fall in the cost of living yet? For god's sake don't hold your breath.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:26PM
    • Yes, amazing isn't. Can't wait for all the CarbonTax Super Sales. Hunt is being interviewed by Wahleed and what a slippery eel.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:19PM
  • Now that's finally over, only fitting for Julia and Swannie to return the wedding gifts to Bob and Christine, and don't forget to include the spriggs of wattle that made them look rool noice at the wedding ceremony.

    Commenter
    Greened Off
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:24PM
  • Abbott has just destroyed the Green Energy Industry as for the number job losses these will be revealed in due course. It is difficult to imagine a PM more stupid than T. Abbott: deliberately putting people out of work, many skilled workers are now without an industry.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:18PM
  • So when the mining tax is repealed that means that Clive Palmer has achieved his goal and can sit back and relax and dream of new projects to entertain tourists in Coolum. Future instructions will be given to PUPs from there.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:17PM
  • Ah ! well a-day ! what evil looks
    Had I from old and young !
    Instead of the cross, the Albatross
    About my neck was hung.

    unto the grave.

    Commenter
    The Ancient Mariner
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:15PM
  • The winners and losers are pretty self-evident.

    Winners: Australians

    Loser: Labor, Greens, enviro-lobby

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:09PM
    • Tad harsh @H - what, we aren't Australians? Didn't your great leader say he would govern for all of us? Expected a little better, that's EiE worthy.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:13PM
    • Yes Hacka, we hear you loud and clear - so do the world over.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:13PM
    • Don't worry about the Greens now Hacka.
      Their party room meeting can be held in a family car since July 1st.

      Commenter
      Jojar
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:15PM
    • How about that 2PP vote hacks?

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:18PM
    • Sure, The Australian - Rupert's flagship newspaper and chief Abbott backer - whoever not on his side is the loser, and reading from the results of the current Herald poll is about 70% of the Herald's readers

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:19PM
    • Loser: Hacka for defending the indefensible. Your once great Leader John Howard supported an ETS with bipartisan approval. And the next Liberal leader, after Abbott has been shoved aside by a party desperate to bring some credibility to its ranks, may very well restore that agreement. Will you then sway with the wind and nod your enthusiastic agreement or stridently oppose as you do now

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:20PM
    • Well I,m Australian and so is my environment. I don't even have any exotic plants in my huge garden except for veggies and fruit trees.
      So given a holiday as a reward for your spin heh Hackie.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:22PM
    • OK, so is it un-Australian now to believe anything that is not Abbot mantra now?

      Commenter
      Mandy from Southwest Sydney
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:27PM
    • Check the polls Hack?

      You win based on the IPA and BCA but you need more to make your self relevant.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:27PM
    • The real losers here are the tax payers funding such childish tripe.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where bad spin is the new reality
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:36PM
  • Is it just me or does every c pyne pic look like a Thunderbirds promo cardboard cutout ?

    Commenter
    Chuck this mob out
    Location
    Illawarra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:07PM
    • Spitting image of Parker.

      If you asked me.

      Bromwyn is his Lady Penelope,
      thats for sure.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      For death in battle is a splendid thing
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:15PM
  • Seems like an eternity ago that we had Cate Blanchett at the height of her acting abilities telling us why we needed a carbon tax. Acting can be a roller coaster at times.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:06PM
    • @EiE always marvel at your ability to hate anything and anyone seemingly having any connection to anything Green.

      I reckon you'd even hate Kermit the Frog.

      Must dash, have to get my sandals organically modified.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:12PM
    • Yes, it was very brave and noble of her to put her career on the line. She went up in my estimation by a mile.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:15PM
    • She was bloody right. The stupid decision of Parliament does not make it less right. But reminding me of Cate does make the Liberals even more stupid and pathetic.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:35PM
  • Nearly 17000 votes and 68% are angry with the repeal, I suppose that says it all.
    Lies, deceit lack of ethics, giving the finger to the international community will all have their way in 795 days time. And boy will those days pass quickly.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:03PM
    • Can't pass quickly enough as far as I'm concerned.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:08PM
    • Can do a lot more damage in 795 days. Wish it was a few weeks.

      Commenter
      Fijane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:12PM
    • 795 days! How much more damage can they do in that time?
      Perhaps a counter like Ltd News had with Labor. That one was in hours I think.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:13PM
    • You assume that 17000 Fairfax readers are representative of the entire population...and that Carbon Tax is the sole factor in determining their votes. Regardless, in 795 days people will vote for the party that they think best represents their interests. And the world view on carbon pricing will determine which party policies are attractive to voters on that one particular issue.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:14PM
    • Hi Gal

      I will certainly be reminding everyone here of Abbott's despicable act in 795 days and every day in between.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:44PM
    • @SotL what if all of the people who voted for the LNP in the last election didn't want the carbon tax abolished but wanted Labor gone due to its other problems. We have no way of knowing on an election fought on many issues. But we do know 68% of 17000 people disapprove of the axing of the tax. On the day of the next election that 68% could see the LNP decimated, and deservedly so.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:44PM
    • I doubt there are too many voters that completely agree with every single party policy...for any party. It's normally a compromise...something the Greens would benefit from doing.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:10PM
    • Good on you Pen, keep reminding the ostriches- they need it.
      This is a win for Murdoch and his minions, no-one else.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:13PM
  • I do love some of the comments on here....if you disagree with the Greens you are simply wrong. No discussion. If the previous govt passed legislation it was saving planet earth and the known universe. If the coalition get something through the senate it's un democratic. And if half the comments being made against our serving PM were made against Julia Gillard people would be called misogynists or worse. Some of you are as laughable. But not as much as having some posts censored today because someone didn't agree with my point of view.

    Commenter
    Sick of the left
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 5:01PM
    • Are forgetting the years of farrago's of lies, spin, and bull shit that people like you fell for? and here you are defending your gullibility and abject stupidity.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:10PM
    • Wow - based on what you actually get through must have been quite a read!

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:10PM
    • Thats the Greens!

      Either its their way or its no way.

      Commenter
      Adelaide
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:11PM
    • Does princess need a hug?

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where have all the real men gone
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:11PM
    • And Pen proves my point.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:17PM
    • So rusted on, you don't think we don,t get censored. I lost count yesterday. One posted then erased, beat that.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:24PM
    • Typical response from the lefty greenies Pen - when things don't go their way they get nasty and abusive. So much for the party of compassion.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:42PM
    • Adelaide

      So you believe fossil fuels are the way ahead do you? How Piltdown of you.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:47PM
  • Has the temperature of the earth gone up as yet ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:59PM
    • I don't know about the earth but I can tell you temperature on this blog is highly elevated already and we will hit 1000 soon

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:02PM
    • Yes. People that know climate change is happening just increased the temperature by two degrees c after the PM declared victory against climate change.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:04PM
    • Sure has (in Canberra). Nine Labor MPs were tossed out during QT

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:07PM
    • just come back from the supermarket and the price of lamb is the same as yesterday. Just checked the map and Whyalla never disappeared. Wonder how the budget is going for after tomorrow the LNP have no lies to hide behind, will you go back into hiding?

      Commenter
      Rubbish
      Location
      Stop paying inept spin doctors
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:08PM
    • My favourite Leunig ever was one in the Howard days where a guy got so mad at JH he could power his own kettle and make the tea. Reckon you would even chuckle at that @H. I tried it but it didn't work, could only get it up to about 60 deg.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:08PM
    • When you can figure out that warming oceans melt sea ice you will have your answer won't you? Until then stand in the corner with a cone on your head.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:12PM
    • Hacka,

      Reports that it has started snowing in low lying levels of Victoria. Bet they will be crying out for a bit of global warming in the next day or so!! The carbon tax must have lowered temperatures too far.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:13PM
    • Well davemac, now you know how many of us felt when the CT was introduced. In that case the kettle did boil.

      You'll be pleased to know the gloating is over but the champagne awaits ....

      See all Pulsers in five weeks. A historic day indeed.

      Thanks Judith and Alex.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:15PM
    • Pen,

      I keep telling you to read the link.

      http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82160

      Honestly, you will feel a lot better when you see that even NASA are acknowledging ice has increased.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:46PM
  • Abbott&co have taken australia to another level with their blatant lieing i feel.

    When I listen to them I wonder and marvel at their ability to smile and shout and lie to everyone without blinking an eye.

    It's truly an amazing sight to see by someone such as myself who was indocrinated throughout my life with the 'tell the truth' ethic.

    I guess this must be the 'modern' times that my old folk kept telling me about....

    Commenter
    Egbert Stunned
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:59PM
    • He might be able to do something with a ball point pen, i.e., scribble, but I understand that he is something of a failed journalist.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:06PM
    • @Pluto,

      Not true, I'm afraid. Abbott is a very good writer. It's his bias that's the worry, ask his former editor at the Bulletin, David Dale.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:01PM
  • TA Fronted the people and promised cheaper bills.

    My elec bill is not getting any cheaper is yours?

    TA Fronted the worlds media and promised "we will find MH370" but we didn't

    Did ANY of the things he promised which were positive happen or only the negative ones? What exactly is his score?

    Commenter
    My bill is not getting any cheaper
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:55PM
    • MH370 is likely in a search area the size of Victoria with the ocean floor over 3000ft below. I'm sure 239 families would like us to continue searching and probably find political point scoring quite offensive.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:05PM
    • It's OK, sure the money will be found from somewhere....pensions, health. Unsure why we are carrying the can. Great that we do have a social conscience though, makes a nice change.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:16PM
  • Can't wait to see how the IPA and The Murdoch press try to spin this quite clear attack on both a free press & quite clearly, whistleblowers.

    Jailing journalists for up to 5 years for reporting on potentially illegal activities undertaken by the current Government?

    So according Journalists should "not report on National Security Issues". Read, potentially embarass the Government

    I thought Tony's great proud claim to working life is that he used to be a journo. Given how they keep claiming to be defenders of free speech, this chilling attempt to silence the fourth estate shows this is pretty selective.

    Commenter
    Sambo
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:53PM
    • Certainly will be interesting to see their responses. But it obviously wasn't just cooked up after the big bash this week.
      this sets some pretty serious precedents and any self respecting journo should be totally outraged. Indeed I wonder how it's viewed when a Pollie writes a book and covers a bit too much ground.
      There's going to be a lot of repealing to be done in a couple of years, if not sooner.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:06PM
    • Abbott has just got almost the entire Australian press crops even further offside. I hope he wasn't counting on favourable reporting if he gets his way.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:11PM
    • Errr....Press Corps that is (and +1 towards the 1000 Pulse posts tally)

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:17PM
  • "Unloved by the Australian people."

    Tony, I could not have described the abomination of your prime ministership and party better myself.

    So very unloved by the nation for all you stand for. Any time you feel like calling the election, please do so.

    Commenter
    I do not love Tony
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:53PM
  • Asset Recycling Bill, I 'd much prefer a Politician Recycling Bill on the Itinerary.
    Commencing at the start of the Alphabet.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:49PM
  • Clueless, ignorant & vision less Abbott claims false victory - that he has climbed the Everest summit - by abolishing the Carbon Tax, little does he realise that our environmentally sustainable living - present and future has been sadly abolished by him. Ignorance is not an excuse, especially from a PM.

    Commenter
    FlowerGoddess
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:47PM
    • And false economy. And in two years time every one will remember the $550 and the lamb roast. Just like they will just be able to remember Dr Hewsen's cake.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:56PM
    • Pluto, I still can't decide on whether to have Turkey or Goose tonight. Both seem fitting for the occasion.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:09PM
  • it is almost an hour since last post. the delays on this page Thats a long afternoon tea break

    Commenter
    tashman1
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:45PM
    • I can assure you that wasn't a tea break - Depending on the political leaning it could be a long celebration of a long commiseration

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:54PM
    • You must have an Abbott manufactured clock, one that tells big whoppers. No missing hour on my screen from either. Judith or posters.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:56PM
  • Interesting that the featured comment is always anti LNP.....the editor should join the ABC.

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:36PM
    • You get used to it after a while.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:41PM
    • My boss plays 2gb all day on the radio; I have no sympathy for your comment.

      Commenter
      meatatarian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:45PM
    • When we are under attack by an outfit professing a radical conservative agenda we have to fight back. And fight back we will.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:47PM
    • It has to be simply it is more interesting and to the point and attention getter. We have enough propaganda via the $4.3 mil brigade already.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:48PM
    • So you are a Liberal-National minority government supporter? Just asking?

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:48PM
    • You have a bad case of Abbott-vision: only seeing what you want to see. There have been many featured comments from those who sit to the speaker's right including Hacka and SteveH. I think enough is enough might have been included once or twice.
      Never mind, don't let the truth get in the way when there's an opportunity to claim bias against the long-suffering Coalition supporters.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:51PM
    • Pretty sure I saw @EiE get a gong at some point, and the big @H regularly gets up.

      Maybe it's just to do with the intelligence of the comments?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:54PM
  • These are depressing times for Australia and for our children's future. This government fails to be responsible with its power and has no understanding of being part of a global community. All forms of violence are a result of a failure in morality. This government's moral compass is solely pointed to their own pockets and big business profit. Subsequently they are surprised that many people are reacting strongly to their narrow minded policies?!?! Power without wisdom fails to take up the challenges of our time in a real and intelligent way!

    Commenter
    Tara
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:35PM
    • Depends which children your talking about, plenty of them will be celbrating the end of Green lunacy.

      Commenter
      Green with Hypocrisy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:58PM
  • "...all perks should end when politicians leave office." Well what a good idea Cory. I might have to reassess all the other comments I have made about you. Now all you have to do is add all the perks politicians get while in office. Then a might reassess again.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:35PM
  • This is a great government that sticks to its words. Abbott is one of the best PMs ever.

    Commenter
    Dr No
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:28PM
    • Needed a good laugh, thanks.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:34PM
    • I know the openness and honesty has absolutely floored me, in this current day and age the grace that Mr Abbott has handled himself is astounding. I especially love how he has advanced women's causes and the work he has done since appointing himself prime minister of Aboriginal affairs is simply breathtaking. For by cutting their budget h has allowed the aboriginal community to free themselves of the burdens associated with receiving government handouts.

      Commenter
      Rosy
      Location
      Eyes in the rear view
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:37PM
    • Yes, acg, no matter at this stage, as long as it goes to add to a possible 1000 posts!

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:40PM
    • I agree. The welfare handouts have been the single biggest blow to the aboriginal community since the first fleet. This government is actually doing something about getting aboriginals off the welfare trap and into work. Rudd/Gillard just kept on paying welfare (on borrowed money) and turned the other way.

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:41PM
    • Pluto seems like you are on a mission, I must've started something.
      But hey how is this comment, oddly I wondered if it was for real and thought no one can be that smitten with the wrecking balls.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:46PM
    • Dr No, too bad the regressive attempts at policy by the LNP means there will be no jobs.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Move along no future here
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:48PM
    • @acg again. You inspired me. But I have serious concerns about Dr No. Might be related to Hacka. Or could be Tony's former teacher. Or his mother. Who else would say such a thing?

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:54PM
    • Does Get Real imply that there will be no jobs unless we tax and borrow?

      Commenter
      Dr No
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:55PM
    • Priceless Doc, for a moment there I thought you were serious.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:55PM
    • So really bad ideas implemented well are somehow good ideas ??

      Commenter
      Roger
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:57PM
    • "Today the parliament finally listened..."

      No, Mr Abbott, it agreed to proposed legislation. You make it sound like you've won a battle of wills. Well, I want a PM who engages in a battle of ideas and arms themselves with wit and I'm not alone.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:05PM
  • The next Newspoll will be very interesting.
    I think the LNP members are a bit quiet, as they know repeal of CT was already "priced" into the last one so no "dead cat bounce" is coming!

    Commenter
    GARETH
    Location
    SYDNEY
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:25PM
  • And yes, Judith, things may come to pass in this country where saying things "just quietly" may be the only way to say things, unfortunately.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:20PM
  • "Senator Bob Day is fine. It’s just the Palmer people and Ricky Muir who I’m finding very hard to follow their position."

    Well its obvious what their position is.

    Whatever the ouija board tells them to do the night before.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Like a gale smiting an oak.
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:19PM
    • Like it. Although I also have a vision of PUP people getting together at a seance. Communing with the other side, to be refreshed with new messages to present to their awed followers. I mean with some of the things they say their ideas must come from somewhere right?

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:29PM
    • They should fit right in with the Abbott governments policy making ritual, of acting like drunken sailors flicking beer coasters at a bum crack and sticking with the ones that land between the cheeks.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      From here to nowhere with ole one term
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:44PM
    • Other than something Clive might want I find it difficult to believe that their ideas will come from anywhere else other than the aether.

      None of these people even knew each until Clive launched his start-up party, there is no manifesto or even a political tradition behind them.

      Essentially its like one of those 1960's art house 'happenings' where improvisation is the name of the game.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Now we must trust in fortune
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:56PM
  • "Unloved by Australians". Abbott musing about himslef presumably because almost every opinion poll suggests that Australians support a carbon tax or an ETS.

    Commenter
    Jon
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:19PM
  • 4:04pm: The clowns are in!

    Commenter
    Get Real
    Location
    The travelling circus gets faster by the day
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:19PM
  • Is this a record breaker, will the Pulse hit the big 1,000 today?

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:17PM
    • I was wondering about that myself!!!

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:23PM
    • We sure can help it along, so keep on reading and keep on posting!

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:24PM
    • trying to squeeze in work in between posting - just as well that i'm the boss!

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:27PM
    • Unfortunately for you luvvies, it's the quality of the post rather that the quantity of the posts. On that score it's a low ranking for you.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:41PM
    • Ohhhh EiE you are such a party pooper, and I still don't know what a luvvie is?

      And you talking about quality, as your leader would say (and I've said it before)

      Here we go:

      Ha........ha..........ha............ha.............ha........ha

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:57PM
    • enough is enough, mature and insightful love your work and I do aspire to reach the literary levels you have so gracefully achieved.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      A minnow walking amongst literary giants
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:58PM
    • EiE you're such a bundle of fun. You do know constant negativity is not good for your health.
      Besides it's some well deserved kudos for the Pulse team, establishing its popularity. Yet all you can think about is warring with "Luvvies" (whatever they are).

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:51PM
  • I do question Scott Morrison's motivation and will continue to do so. Is that so much to ask in a democracy?

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:14PM
    • Don't question him, he will say "I have answered your question".

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:31PM
    • He is doing his job and saving the taxpayers $billions in future costs. These asylum shoppers simply will not get into Australia and increase our welfare budget.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:38PM
  • So Tony Abbott has refused to rule out an ETS, isn't that what he has been hanging on Labor for the last years. s this part of his dirty little back room deal to get his slogan through. Watch this space!

    Commenter
    Get Real
    Location
    A confused PM is an LNP mainstay
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:12PM
  • The luvvies over stretched with their scare campaign. It will never rain again but when it does we need Noah's Ark. The bush fires will rage, even if electrical wires started the inferno. Sea levels will rise and inundate our waterfront electoral offices and weekenders. It will never snow again in Australia even though we now have nsw avalanches. Cyclones will increase dramatically even though Australa has had the lowest number of cyclones last summer.
    The relentless negative spin cycle is almost over. What next?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:05PM
    • Yes where will you be once the $550 fails to materialise. Will you be still front and centre with outrageous claims. You could blame the Greens!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      The lies come home to rost
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:14PM
    • It's alright. we've had you to teach us about scare campaigns. Thanks for the lessons over the last 6 years. If we practise like you have, we might get there too.

      Commenter
      amusedmuse
      Location
      Alexandria
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:17PM
    • Gay marriage and economic refugee stories/ events/ propoganda

      Commenter
      Next Mini Ice Age
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:34PM
    • I hope the $550 is not an one off rebate from the Federal LNP government - Not a rebate ? so where is that $550 PM Abbott is talking about coming from. May be it is just an illusion conjured by the PM with the help of Madame Dolores to get his repeal legislation through the Parliament.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:41PM
  • There is nothing wrong with Australias credit rating there was no budget emergency. It was a total lie.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 4:01PM
    • It sure was.

      If I had a debt of 14% of my annual income, I would not have a worry in the world!

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:13PM
  • Once upon a time, the Australian parliament voted to allow adult women to vote (1902), voted to allow all Aboriginal adults to vote (1949), and voted to end the White Australia policy (1966). Once upon a time Australian parliament's were visionary. Sadly, today an Australian parliament voted to remove a tax on fossil fuel based emissions that was actually working and intended to provide a better future for our children's children (http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html). But that is what the Liberal government promised to do BEFORE the election - so that makes it OK

    Commenter
    TimN
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:59PM
    • Is it true that kids who can't afford to go to schools that have taxpayer funded polo fields will be forced to go down the mines or chimneys again?

      Commenter
      Coming soon - the past
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:22PM
  • Abbott makes such a big deal about it, the Australian public didnt want it. When given a choice most people would rather pay less tax or no tax always, on any tax. We dont want the taxes you have coming eg. GP tax etc either Abbott, but will that stop you introducing them.

    Commenter
    Dantes View
    Location
    Chippendale
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:58PM
  • This is the most disgraceful government in Australia's history. The history books will tell the story. Shame Abbott, shame.

    Commenter
    Marilyn
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:57PM
    • No deaths at sea.
      No pink bat fires.
      No rorting of the school halls scheme.
      No Fuel Watch
      No Grocery Watch
      No cash for clunkers
      No insulting China (ratf....s)
      No Malaysian solution
      No 2020 Summit delivering nothing
      No MPs under police investigation.
      No handouts to auto manufacturers who then shut up shop.
      No handouts to media (licenses)
      No abusing defence personnel

      Not sure I follow your point.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:23PM
    • Puzzled, Marilyn wasn't talking in slogans and stupidities; is that where you got confused?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:26PM
    • But puzzled in 10 months we have had the following;
      * No cuts to health
      * No cuts to pensions
      * Unity ticket on Gonski
      * Open honest government
      * No cuts to education
      * No new taxes
      * No tax increases.
      * No shady deals with minor parties
      I am confused by your post and it's intended meaning.

      Commenter
      Confused
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:32PM
    • No surprises?

      The only one not respecting their mandate is Tony Abbott!

      Commenter
      Surprised
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:55PM
    • Well @Puzzled I certainly don't follow that at all. I'll just take one of them at this point (Have to dash out and hug a tree)...No Malaysian solution....errr would that be the one that Dr No blocked? Gotta dash, peace and happiness Comrade.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:03PM
  • Elsewhere in the Age it is reported that journalists can be sent to prison for disclosing ASIO matters. Journalist is being interpreted broadly because Tony wants to be able to catch any one writing nasty things about the Coalition. So all you mummy bloggers currently engaged in comments on this page please cool it!

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:56PM
    • I guess he will be happy with the likes of EIE and his tax payer funded mates ranting and telling us how we've never had it so good.

      Commenter
      Must stifle debate - now.
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:24PM
  • Abbott is hell bent on getting his agenda through isnt he? I think the Senate should sit overnight and make a complete joke of it all.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:48PM
  • $550 (pffft) a year and the LNP writes off clean energy reform altogether for no other reason than to slap each other on the back. Dumb, dumb, dumb and dumber.

    Commenter
    MP
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:46PM
    • And what is worse, the swinging voters will not even be grateful - especially when they see that their cost of living does not drop dramatically and then will start rising again.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:53PM
    • @Whyalla Wipeout. But, true to form, they will blame Labor.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:05PM
    • But the public will just blame the government of the day. If you can't scare them stupid with fake national emergencies, the public usually expect the government of the day to manage what is going on. They have never been and never will be much interested in laying the blame.

      To put it another way, the public says: 'we are paying you to run the Parliament and the country; if you can't do that we will turn to someone who can'. It's what screwed Labor in 2013, despite all their great achievements, and is very likely to screw the Coalition in 2016.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:32PM
  • 'We are a conservationist government ': Abbott

    I don't think so Mr Abbott cause you have killed Australia's AAA rating

    Commenter
    Chaoslightning
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:44PM
    • That comment doesn't make sense...conservation and AAA credit ratings.........eh??

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:35PM
  • Satire, joke, regression ... So would it be okay to point out that we're now royally screwed?

    A government who wastes its time by wasting taxpayers money. Wonder what they'll blame the skyrocketing electricity bills on now?

    Commenter
    Farce
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:36PM
    • The States.

      Commenter
      Seaweed
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:45PM
  • "It would usually rise at 5pm, but given the Senate is still sitting - and may have changes that it needs to send back to the lower house for approval - the House needs to stay open."

    Oh, no, how dreadful, now the kids won't be home in time for Peppa pig.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    I said "Go with blessing if you go"
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:32PM
    • Peppy Pig's time slot has been changed, the kids and Mummy Bloggers are NOT happy.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:38PM
    • ACG, fear not M'Lady, I'll have a word with Peta next time she rings.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Come to me now drive off this brutal Distress
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:56PM
    • Best you have a go at her too, if the price of Kit e Kat for Mr Whiskas isn't greatly reduced now that the evil tax has gone.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:10PM
    • ACG, Mr. Whiskers is not a cat, he's a dog, he's under the table right now chewing on a stick, a bit messy, but I always draw the line when he drags something dead into our little den of mischief.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Lets drink! The Dog-star's round again
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:40PM
  • Gees, TA isn't even answering his own Dot Dixers. John Anderson asked "Will the Prime Minister inform the House how all Australian families and businesses will benefit now ..etc"
    The answer should have been 'Yes' or 'No'

    Commenter
    stevek
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:24PM
    • Does not compute. Only trained for three words

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:38PM
  • We are a conservationist government - Yes Prime Minister - the tree loggers type

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:20PM
    • Greg Hunt doesn't look happy

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:27PM
    • That's why "s.... happens" all the time.

      Commenter
      ?
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:29PM
    • It wasn't written down so I bet he meant "We are a conservative government"

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:34PM
    • The really staggering thing is just how he can churn out the lies without even blinking. Absolutely zero integrity. I guess if you've lied your whole life then it just comes naturally.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:41PM
    • Conservationist indeed - conserving the wealth of their richest supporters - and Clive Palmer.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      sitting down to a $16 lamb roast now
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:42PM
    • It was written down, phonetically, otherwise the PM wouldn't have been able to say it.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:43PM
    • I know, Howard was honest compared to the current PM and I didn't like Howard, which tells you a lot about trust and politicians,

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:48PM
    • The LNP just lost the next election. Look on the bright side.

      Commenter
      GOV
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:51PM
  • The LNP can go home to their electorate and explain to the constituents why Australia has No climate change policy, why there are refugees imprisoned on water, why there are disadvantaged people in their electorate who are afraid of the LNP Government policies, why are there still companies and people rorting tax evasion, why the LNP Speaker is not impartial in debate and why there are never any answers to reasonable questions from the opposition.
    The performance in the House has been appalling whilst the “yes minister” LNP members just sit there and allow deals to be made in the back room.
    The constituents may ask why are you there!

    Commenter
    Koel
    Location
    Qld
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:20PM
    • Are you serious?

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:25PM
    • Simple ....Direct democracy and you'll be part of the equation for everything affecting the country.

      Commenter
      ?
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:31PM
  • We are a conservationist government: Tony Abbott... well I am a democrat and I respect it the way it is defined "the will of the people" without any preferences as you do with your mates.

    Commenter
    ?
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:18PM
  • I remarked earlier today, 11:45am, that I thought Jacqui Lambie. was the one to watch. I'm gratified to learn that I was correct.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:18PM
  • Judith - what was Madame Speaker's score.....did she do it?

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:16PM
    • Well it certainly not 'deuce' or 'love'.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:28PM
  • "Unloved by the Australian people". Ah, SMH, you knew we'd think you were referring to Abbott!

    Commenter
    Summer Breeze
    Location
    Bondi
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:15PM
    • @ 30% approval rating, that would be the correct response. Only the rusted on remain and they would follow him even if he ate babies.

      Commenter
      All that money on spin and nothing to show for it
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:45PM
  • On the LNP proposal to abolish the $5000 apprenticeship grand Abbott thinks that it is much better to have a $20,000 loan rather than a $5000 grand - which would you choose ? You're be the judge.

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:14PM
    • $20,000 loan will buy a lot of tattoos. Isn't that what they do with the money.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:17PM
    • What ever happened to debt and deficit is bad!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Spinning our way to greater debt
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:22PM
  • If that was QT on the day Abbott saw the culmination of 5 years of politicking then this government is finished.

    I can't remember a government being so timid in QT. Ever. It was extraordinary, I hope the media drills down into the display today. Something was behind it and it wasn't a pledge to be on their best behaviour.

    Does anybody believe this government could restrain itself from gloating if that was their mood?

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:14PM
    • Wow...you judge a judge an entire govt tenure on a QT..? ..methinks someone got as addicted to the 24hr media cycle as a previous govt did...Perhaps they were trying not to gloat.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:26PM
    • Today is the day that the Australian people will start checking their power bills and see they have been conned. They will go to the market and realise the price of lamb has stayed the same, they will look up Google earth and realise Whyalla was always there. For now there are no more slogans to hide behind!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      The knights of Ni are running away
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:26PM
    • @Sick of the left

      That would have been about the 500th installment of it I've watched over the years. Some people go to a lot of trouble to attend Bob Dylan concerts, I never miss QT if I have anything to do with it.

      There was no sense of triumph in that House today and it is out of character for this government to hide it's glee, if it were felt. There is not a lot of joy in the government's ranks on my observation, feel free to disagree.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:39PM
  • Here we go folks, three minutes of hate and fear...you guessed it: our man from Border Force has breasted the barricade weapons in hand....

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:08PM
  • I wonder if the government will know what to do now.

    I think that they have probably been fixating on the slogans....
    "AXE THE TAX"
    "TURN BACK THE BOATS"
    "NO NEW TAXES" (maybe not that one)
    "NO CUTS TO EDUCATION" (or that one)
    "NO CUTS TO HOSPITALS" (perhaps not that one)

    I wonder will now launch into a void of figuring out what to do next.

    Commenter
    What now?
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:08PM
    • AXE the PACKS, when they pay back Big Tobacco for their continued donations by scrapping plain packaging laws, even though they are working and being used as a model o/seas. A Labor policy, we can't have that. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/plunge-in-smoking-attributed-to-plain-packaging-20140716-ztqht.html

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:20PM
    • Gosh!! The disappointment of a government that successfully achieves what it set out to do!?! It's just unbearable!!! (Doesn't it beat the hell out of "we will deliver a surplus this year.........."!!!! - D'OH!!)

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:21PM
    • "Plant the Trees"
      "Axe the Trees"
      "Water the Trees"
      "Count the Trees"
      "Plant the Trees"
      "Grow the Trees"
      "A Conservationist Govt", snort.
      "Water the Trees"
      "Sell the Trees"

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:23PM
    • @Jim

      but this is my point.... i wonder if there is a plan from here.

      Personally, I think it was the wrong place to focus but OK.... what next?

      Commenter
      What next?
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:26PM
    • @ACG Somewhere in the you need to have PUT OUT the TREES when the more frequent bushfires from climate change burn the lot. releasing years of stored carbon in a single day. Jan 18 2003 Canberra, whole forest plantations went up together with 500+ houses in about 4 hours. 4 dead.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:34PM
    • Mitch
      "Extinguish the Trees" - much happier sticking to three word slogans.
      That scenario hasn't even entered their minds. Vic Black Saturday victims have just been awarded $500M compensation. Where do you think that will come from- increased power bills no doubt. The prescribed burns recommended by the RC is a joke. They burn huge swathes of desert out here to get their quotas, not where they need to asset protect.
      And it's not just fire that is a threat to their trees, it's also disease and climate aka El Niño /drought.
      Dumb.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:01PM
  • Seven hundred and ninety five days and counting.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:07PM
    • What disastrous challenges will they set for themselves now? Maybe they'll manage to start their own war?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:18PM
    • In Melbourne that clock should be displayed above Young & Jackson's pub where all the people getting off the tram can see it.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:23PM
    • You can stop counting, the tax has gone!!

      Commenter
      Ben
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:28PM
  • Abbott cannot think outside of slogans. It is pathetic to think that our PM is so limited in his capacity for critical thought.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:07PM
    • Yes, it truly is pathetic of you to think that.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:22PM
    • He stopped the boats, he axed the tax. I don't care if he does nothing else.

      Commenter
      Gassius
      Location
      Kambah
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:30PM
    • Well Gassius setting the bar low is the safest policy with Tony. You are obviously good at it.

      Commenter
      GOV
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:19PM
  • King got her question and it didn't miss, as always. Knows how to frame a question, that woman.

    Abbott was drawn into making ridiculous allegations against the questioner, and that's never a good look when you want to appear in control of the agenda.

    King should be closer to the action.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:03PM
    • Catherine King is one of the real stars of the Labor front bench.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      glad to be back with the lamb roast
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:08PM
    • But she's a ....a....woman?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:13PM
    • I know davemac, but you never know though - we might grow up one day :-)

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:17PM
  • Scrap the carbon tax without an ETS.

    Abbottism has drafted an ETS policy yet?

    Palmer wants an ETS but only five, now six trading partners have a common price ETS.

    It makes no difference that all of the six trading partners spend more on fighting climate change than Australia does.

    Palmer has got exactly what he wanted.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 3:01PM
  • 2:50 pm
    So Lambie gets ahead of herself again. Makes a lot of noise for someone who doesn't seem to know what is going on.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:56PM
    • Just trying to emulate the PM I guess. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:01PM
    • "someone who doesn't seem to know what is going on"?

      That would be the Prime Minister.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:06PM
  • Oh, dear, oh dear....it's embarrassing.

    That was a tactical blunder of huge proportions.

    Christopher Pyne, he just can't be anyone else but himself, bless his little cotton socks - it is about the only attractive feature of his contributions to public life.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:56PM
    • .........What.........?!?!?

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:45PM
    • @Jim,

      Asking Pyne a question on carbon pricing. He couldn't bring his portfolio to the answer, just his wit.

      He made a fool of himself.

      Watch the replay tonight on the ABC, I'm staying up 'specially just to see it again.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:23PM
  • Milne will soon return to her waterfront electoral office at the Murray Street Pier in Hobart to check the time elapse camera for rises in the sea level. Stay tuned for some more dooms day predictions whilst she watches the sun set over the threatening ocean. Lucky she is on level 1, you can never do too much planning they say.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:55PM
  • Hope that iron clad guarantee was a 'carefully prepared scripted remark' Jacqui

    Commenter
    Franklin
    Location
    BrisVegas
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:54PM
    • Also written down in triplicate

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:03PM
  • What has the carbon tax got to do with the Education Minister?

    This is high-farce.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:51PM
    • Why did Pyne insist on being so involved in economics?

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:58PM
    • Absolutely nothing. But Christopher Pyne needs to get some exposure otherwise he might be seen for the uninspiring political operator that he is. So he'll you'll probably be hearing from him in all sorts of weird contexts from now on.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:02PM
    • Get him something else to he's finished with destroying the Education portfolio

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:08PM
  • One of Abbott's killer lines and only Hockey is enthusiastic in his barracking until the others decide it's a good idea to join in.

    This is extraordinary.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:50PM
  • They've given Bishop a DD on carbon pollution pricing? What? Is this what they call spreading the cream around? Somebody tell them the pie was burnt.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:46PM
  • The cross benches should not take any credit for the abolition of the Carbon Tax but Labor must bear the responsibility for voting against the abolition. Asking the PM if he has faith in Treasurer Hockey only goes to highlight Labor's ignorance about deficits and debt. For them to have the audacity to ask such a question means they are deep in ignorant bliss believing that their last Treasure Wayne Swan did a good job. He was the comedian that started his 2012 budget speech with-can you believe this- "The four years of surpluses I announce tonight ... The fact is he never had a single surplus and the future deficits and debt are going to get larger if Labor and the Greens continue to obstruct the Abbott Governments plans to try and rectify Labor's largess.

    Commenter
    noitall
    Location
    Beacon Hill
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:43PM
    • "It is an absolute principle of democracy that governments should not and must not say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards"
      One down. A zillion other lies and broken promises to go. Spin on but it's all too late - voters have woken up to this fraud.

      Commenter
      $4.3 million and counting
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:53PM
    • $4.3 million and counting-So if the Coalition, by your insinuations, are telling porkies in trying to fix up Labors mess are you advocating that the Labor Party, that told many untruths in their six years, should be brought back to continue their economic vandalism?

      Commenter
      noitall
      Location
      Beacon Hill
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:07PM
    • noitall, thats not true Swan had one surplus, straight after the 2007 election when he inherited a $19 billion dollar surplus carelessly left behind by Costello:

      "The Australian Government general government sector recorded an underlying cash surplus of $19.7 billion (1.7 per cent of GDP) for 2007-08.

      The surplus was $2.9 billion (0.2 per cent of GDP) higher than expected at the time of the 2008-09 Budget, as a result of lower than anticipated spending of $3.2 billion, and lower cash receipts of $0.4 billion.

      Total tax receipts were $160 million below the estimate at the 2008-09 Budget, primarily due to lower than expected receipts from company taxes and GST, which were largely offset by higher than expected receipts from individuals tax and superannuation funds tax."

      Wayne Swan
      Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer
      3 December 2007 - 27 June 2013

      Funnily enough there was no mention from Swan about the 'structural deficit' so beloved by our 'progressive' commenters.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Eros with stroke shattered my brain
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:13PM
  • Hockey should consider a change of career. He can't cut it in the leadership stakes, not even as Treasurer.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:41PM
  • Dear Madam Speaker

    impartial

    /ɪmˈpɑːʃ(ə)l/

    adjective

    treating all rivals or disputants equally.

    synonyms: unbiased, unprejudiced, neutral, non-partisan, non-discriminatory, disinterested, uninvolved, uncommitted, detached, dispassionate, objective, open-minded, equitable, even-handed, fair, fair-minded, just.

    Commenter
    Punter
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:40PM
    • Well I always doubted that AFL umpires could be able to vote on the best player of the game without being bias.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:43PM
  • Can someone ask Smoken Joe how the drop in revenue with no carbon tax will effect his dud budget.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:39PM
  • Two years out from an election and Hockey is already on the campaign trail with his scare tactics.

    Given his party's polling numbers I'd be very very scared if I was him.

    Commenter
    mirrorsofsmoke
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:39PM
  • It is clear that Hockey enjoys the PM's support, they have allocated a generous serving of Dorothy Dixers today.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:38PM
  • The Pulse @ 1:08pm. Anybody else thinks it's funny that the PM has NOT ruled out ever imposing a price mechanism on CO2 emissions?

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:36PM
  • Any future carbon tax should be linked to temperature reduction. The business world needs a better theory than the static climate theory of the left.

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:36PM
  • I can't believe the muted display from the government is the result of some self-discipline for any reason whatsoever - they are incapable of it.

    This mob has been given a wake-up call by someone, and it wasn't Abbott.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:36PM
  • Around Australia huge crowds have spilled out on to the streets.

    Some cheering the repeal of the Carbon Tax, others wailing at its demise.

    Actually none of that has happened.

    Except here of course.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    He is unrivalled, like a Lesbian
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:36PM
  • Madam Speaker well on track for the record today, she's been training and is ready for the challenge. Can she do it? Stay tuned, same bat-time, same bat-chanel.

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:33PM
    • She is, davemac. Wasn't the record about eight just a few weeks ago ?

      Well on track for a new record.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:37PM
    • I thought 9. Either way, I kind of hope she does it!!!

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:44PM
  • Jacqui, was it an 'absolute assurance'? Because I have to warn you that those don't tend to go the way you'd think they should.

    Commenter
    JLD
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:31PM
    • Unless the assurance was "absolutely! as soon as every major Nation in the world doing more than we are" then I think you were conned.

      hang on.... maybe every other major nation in the world IS doing more than us.

      We are embarrassing ourselves so that a few - I think not many - liberals can beat their chests.

      Commenter
      As we sow.....
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:47PM
    • There is no assurance - Clive has come out and admitted it. PUP are a joke - the left hand doesn't even know what the right hand is doing, but you can be sure of one thing - everything they do benefits solely Clive. And the image of the Puppies congratulating themselves on killing off all action on climate change will last long and come back to bludgeon them with when the voters eventually wake up.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:26PM
  • Firstly, it was great to see a tax that WAS NOT taken to the people at an election get repealed. This is not because of what the tax was trying to achieve but simply the principle of honest taxation policy.

    Secondly, if the Greens were at all serious they would have pushed the Gillard Government to compensate the States for the cost of converting coal power stations to gas which would have had an IMMEDIATE 30% REDUCTION in green house emissions from producing power. The infrastructure conversion cost could be recouped in a number of ways.

    Commenter
    MVF
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:30PM
    • And the tax "levy" Abbott is introducing ( and the GST increase that is in the wings) were taken to an election when??? Aussies can be so stupid at times. You're happy to have a big indscriminate tax because it was introduced by the LNP. You're not happy to have a tax on CO2 pollution that helps shift us to renewables and we get compensated for???

      Commenter
      Sheppy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:04PM
    • @Sheppy. How could you possibly read into my comments that I support any government of any colour not taking a tax to the people. My point still stands that, like the GST, the carbon tax should have been taken to the people. Not the people told there will not be a tax and then get one.

      Read my comment again about a much faster and more effective way to cut down emissions AT THE SOURCE. Force freight back to rail and that would give further reductions in emissions. Have a fuel tax that penalises excessive fuel economy to get inappropriate vehicles off the road and you would get further reductions. Build VFT between Brisbane-Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne and you get further significant reductions.
      ALL THESE need to be AND CAN BE done by a government that truly believes in reducing emissions!

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:19PM
    • You simply do not get it do you? Why bother with another fossil fuel when Australia has the greatest amount of solar energy in the world. When the largest CSP plant, Ivanpah produces 1,037,127 MW h/year rounding up to 1.04 TW h/year (1 terrawatt equals 1 000 000 000 000 watts, therefore at 1842 KWh per ton of coal Ivanpah over a lifespan of 40 years CSP saves 239,739,400 tonnes of coal, at the current price of $72 per ton Ivanpah realises savings of $17,261,236,800 and abates atmospheric Co2 by 685,654,684 tonnes.
      So why go to the expanse of paying billions on new gas lines and new boilers, new valves, new pumps and new precipitators?

      Perhaps these enormous savings do not resonate with you and that with salt storage CSP works 24/7/365. Then there is massive upswing in jobs over many technical persuasions, not to mention jobs for indigenous communities.

      Sometimes I honestly think that people like you have no understanding of the subject whatsoever.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:27PM
    • @Pen of hrba I DO GET IT and I also am not a dreamer. What you claim is not currently achievable. It may well be in the future but not now. Too many rainy cloudy days like we have just experienced for 5 days straight WOULD exhaust stored energy - THEN WHAT!

      We need to keep researching solar, wind and hydro for the medium term and waves and tidal for the longer term to replace fossil fuels BUT it is not going to happen tomorrow whereas getting us off coal can be a very short term achievement.

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 5:14PM
  • Rejoice Tony...it's a pyrrhic victory. Even now...within moments of this decision...groups are organising to counter this visionless stupidity. In your favour, you have inadvertently and unintentionally managed to reenergise a movement to cut carbon emissions and to protect our environment. This has united many to take you and yours to task. This, along with your broken promises regarding education, health, the ABC and the pension will cost you and your party for years to come. See...there's always a bright side.

    Commenter
    Alpheus Williams
    Location
    Red Rock
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:30PM
    • Hear hear Alpheus! Not only has he reinvigorated many Australians who may have taken our good things for granted, he has revealed the true ideology of many on his side. Under Howard, this was forgotten amidst all mining boom and election "bribes", although it was more apparent by the end. If the public vote with eyes wide open, then it would be a better democracy. Perhaps I'm naive but it strongly believe Labor will be a sure thing if they emphasise fiscal responsibility, fairness and forward thinking. That's what they were doing in recent years, but this was lost in the leadership headlines.

      Commenter
      Passionfruit
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:50PM
  • Well I'm heading straight down to the supermarke now that a leg of lamb is no longer a $100 ... umm, wait a minute...

    Commenter
    Sir Pository
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:29PM
  • I take it back Malcolm, a full minute and Conroy hasn't got a mention. Getting him to take his questions from the Independents might be a good idea from now on, it worked today.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:29PM
  • To suggest that the Carbon Tax was the most divisive policy in Australian history is absurd. It was simply used by an Opposition who were determined to find something that they could generate a fear campaign around. That this fear campaign was any different to, or any more successful than, the fear campaigns that they have launched over the decades around Communism, Terrorism and Refugees is to torture the language into submission. It was just another fear campaign that will, like all the others, be found to be largely empty of content after the event, but it will, like them, have served its purpose!!!

    Commenter
    Lesm
    Location
    Balmain
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:29PM
  • Its over for Abbott if he backs palmer ets

    Abbott calls ets a carbon tax

    Commenter
    frank
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:28PM
    • No Frank, it will then be a....errrrr....modest.....levy

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:31PM
    • Frank it will uuugh uuuhhnmm beee aaaa uuggh a uhhhmmm aeeerrghh modest a uuuhhhmm modest ahhh levy aaahhhm a modest levy uuuugh bought about aaahmmm bought about eeergh ahhm by Labors aaahhhh carbon Tax aaaahhhmmmm Stop the boats yeeehaw

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Mumbling to victory
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:56PM
  • Here we go, a Turnbull waltz down Conrovian Lane.....boring.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:27PM
  • @2:23pm. Brilliant Ed Husic. You've got an early mark & an early start to your long weekend. If you hurry you'll be home before 5:00.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:27PM
  • Why isn't the atmosphere like a winning grand final team's dressing rooms?

    Why the tension? The parliament is on edge, it seems to me.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:26PM
  • The luvvies are outdoing each other today.
    Saying they will never get a cheque for $550 - oopps.
    Saying $550 isn't much money but they can't afford to pay a doctor $7 fr a consultation - oopps, again.
    Milne saying temperatures will kill 6 billion people, oopps, again.
    Pen saying think about your children and grandchildren but advocates for no population increase - oopps, again.
    Pen saying India in evading the fight against climate change, oopps, again. India's Adandi is creating one of the biggest coal mines to feed India's unstoppable need for more thermal coal to power their country, oopps, again.
    Milne blaming Wong. Wong blaming Rudd. Rudd blaming Gillard. Oopps, here we go again.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:23PM
    • Welcome back EiE, we've missed your measured reasoning.

      Here's your challenge for the rest of the day: One, just one, meaningful comment that actually tries to prove a point - good or bad - instead of mindless ranting and women bashing.

      I'll start you off. The CT repeal was good because...... In 30 words or less.

      Challenge accepted?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:30PM
    • Ah bless. It warms my heart that finally you at least have something to cheer about.

      It must be very, very hard being a rusted on LNP supporter these days.

      What with the worst performing first term Gov in history and Tonys approval ratings even worse than Gillards.

      Still with your unwavering support, Tony & Joe must be happy to know they still have a least 2 or 3 people on their sides no matter what happens. Can't imagine you dare talk politics with your friends though.

      Please do enjoy the rest of the day though. Tomorrow it's back to the budget

      Commenter
      Sambo
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:43PM
    • EIE

      Still recycling your idiocies I see, EIE. So here is my repeat, India has set aside US$7.9 billion to facilitate the flow of renewable energy into its electricity grid. In 2011 India produced 162 billion KWh through green energy compared to Australia’s 29 billion KWh. India plans to install 20,000MW by 2022 having already built several large scale plants with more under construction.

      India is a world leader in renewable energy. It has one of the largest renewable energy programs in the world, it is one of the top wind energy producing nations and is on a trajectory to become one of the leading solar power producing nations.
      India was the first country to set up a ministry of non-conventional energy resources in the early 1980s. The National Action Plan on Climate Change, launched in 2008, aims to have 15% of India’s electricity consumption from renewable energy by 2020. India right now produces slightly more than 12% of its energy from renewables.

      Hello, are you there, EIE? Tell me what Australia sustainable population is; oh dear you cannot, why is that, ignorance?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:44PM
  • They can't even manage a wide-ranging Dorothy Dix that the Speaker said before the PM began speaking would not be subject to points of order on relevance - gone to a division over a Labor MP being named before Abbott said half a dozen words (that were different from each other).

    Haven't got a clue, this mob of student politicians who never grew up.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:21PM
  • Given the incompetance of the last few years, can we now expect a move to replace the Greens leader ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:18PM
    • You'd think so, but look at their choices. The gene pool is shallow.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:19PM
    • I bet it will be Turnbull.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:20PM
    • Both Greens and Labor could do with a change of leaders. Brandt should be leading the Greens. And Labor need a non unionist.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:20PM
    • She's riding a lot higher in the polls than your leader. People are sick of all his lies. And his lying spin doctors.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:20PM
    • That bubbly is going to your head. You're meant to sip not skull it.
      But yes given the polls and the Luddite policies the Libs should find themselves a new leader.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:25PM
    • Its incompetence....lol.....makes me wonder whether compulsory voting is a good thing

      Commenter
      tombrom
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:31PM
    • @Hacker2014- I don't think Turnbull would be so stupid to join the Greens.

      Commenter
      J.G.
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:42PM
  • Hope Catherine King gets a question today, hers are the best that come from the opposition. A rising star.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:15PM
  • Have you ever noticed that when Abbott speaks he says exactly the opposite of what it really happening to throw everyone off the track? For example, his comments that the abolition of the carbon tax will benefit ordinary Australians and small business. This is not true. But it will massively benefit the big end of town, the miners, and large (and often foreign owned) companies and multinationals. He creates a smokescreen, but if you turn his words 180 degrees you get somewhere near the truth.

    Commenter
    Kathy, South Coast
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:14PM
    • He's a born liar - he can't help himself.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:18PM
    • Sure have - black is white in land of the Lib.

      Started with Howard 'This election is about trust' Still laughing about that one.

      Just goes to show they hold the electorate in contempt that they can say whatever they like.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:19PM
    • Hasn't occurred to you yet ... axe the tax (done), stop the boats (done), fix the budget (trying but stymied by the very vandals that created the problem). I'd call that keeping faith with the people who elected them in. Hysterical leftist spin does not equal fact.

      Commenter
      RB
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:39PM
    • Kathy, do you even understand how the carbon tax worked?!?

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:54PM
  • Can't even raise a Hear Hear when Hockey is bunging on one of his faux indignation fluff pieces?

    This is not a government that looks and sounds confident of its authority.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:14PM
    • That's because he needs to run their script past Rupsy and Ginza first!!

      Commenter
      NotSoFast
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:30PM
  • After this those with modicum of common sense will vote for the Greens.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:11PM
    • Only if they change leaders and stop being so erratic. Otherwise, they will just be even less irrelevant come election time.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:14PM
    • "modicum" being a small amount, I'd agree they would. Anyone with more than a modicum won't.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:18PM
  • The government's polling must be bad. This is not a government feeling confident going on the timid display on show in QT today.

    They look like rabbits in a spotlight.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:11PM
    • Actually, I think they look the opposite. Its the rabble across the benches that look like they got nothing left.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:15PM
    • When you have such a biased "Independent" Speaker and a Government of L I A R S even they start to feel the shame that shows in each and every poll.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:22PM
  • Bill Shorten, Labor's attack spaniel.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:08PM
    • Tony Abbott - big business' lap dog.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:23PM
  • HI ho the merry o, the carbon tax is gone , the carbon tax is gone, the carbon tax is gone.......

    Commenter
    WHAT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:07PM
    • Why isn't the government looking happy then?

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:23PM
  • The title of the photo and Abbot's quote "We are a conservationist government" shows a slip of the tongue. he was thinking "We are a conversationist government" We talk a lot about doing something to prevent global warming but actually won't do anything. It is all talk and no (direct) action.

    Commenter
    Tucky
    Location
    Warragul
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:07PM
  • Special warning for Member for Wakefield. Why am I not surprised.

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:07PM
  • Oh poor Christine Milne.

    A Green's leader who voted against an ETS in 2009 and is now voting against an increase in a fuel levy.

    Does the poor woman even know where she actually stands on these issues?

    And now that she no longer holds any balance of power in the senate about to become the irrelevant force they should be.

    Bye, bye Christine.

    And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

    Commenter
    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Location
    John 3:16
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:06PM
    • She should just pick one cause and just fight for that. The Greens have lost their way. Elimination of plastic bags. I could get behind the Greens with that.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:13PM
    • You really do, I mean really need to read Green policy. Because you are so far from the realities it is embarrassing to read your ignorance.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:13PM
    • How much did her filibuster yesterday contribute to global warming by keeping the Senate and Parliament open to hear her ? Environmental vandalism I tells ya!!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:13PM
    • Have you seen the polls? The Libs are almost at Labor levels from 2013.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:14PM
    • I agree. Her leadership has been incompetent at best - unable to actually stand for a cause apart from hating Abbott. Unfortunately this fixation with the PM has meant she has dropped the ball and should resign immediately.

      I can see the number counters already working away. Expect to see Adam Bandt elected the new Greens leader by the end of the year.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:29PM
    • Sol, we do not allow for filibusters in Australia. You've been had by Cormann, who's obviously learnt a new word for the week.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:34PM
    • ..ummm...country gal...it was a tongue in cheek comment about energy consumption...and filibuster is an often used term in the US where they frequently waste taxpayers' time and money..if you read more widely than fairfax you might see some international news from time to time !!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:48PM
  • That rainbow earlier over LBG, Canberra: any chance it was a metaphorical finger to the new Nationals neanderthal, McGrath? And his soulmate, Cory? (LBG....sounds subversively inclusive,doesn*t it?)

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:06PM
  • The insanity that Australia's pissy little carbon tax had any effect on global warming is astounding. The fear mongering that because of TA the world will flood is ridiculous. 98% of carbon emissions come from the rest of the world. 98%! China builds a new coal power station every 13 days. Go bitch to them, comrades. It was clear that Australian people voted many times against such a scheme. Unless the world largest emitters, Australia is about 18th, get together at the next meeting you can go the “Uncle Doug” until you’re blue in the face but nothing will change. Keeping or repealing the tax, starting an ETS scheme in Australia does absolutely nothing to the problem but if you want to feel like you’re changing the world then go for it with both hands.

    Commenter
    Brettie
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 2:03PM
    • So we shouldn't have participated in world-wide action in phasing out ozone-depleting gasses either, with that logic. Australia has to be a team player o/wise it will find itself on the bench, or even banned from the ground.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:15PM
    • For god's sake when are you people going to understand that it is a matter of united we stand divided we fall. CLIMATE CHANGE IS A GLOBAL FIGHT IT CAN ONLY BE WON BY GLOBAL PARTICIPATION. DOING NOTHING IS WHAT EXACTLY?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:18PM
    • @Pen Liberal policy.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:24PM
    • Yes it is united action that we need, really need to read my post, but cutting our carbon while China and India's emissions climb does nothing... except make you feel good. Your delusional if you think the world follows Australia. You need to see what other countries are doing... not what they say they will do. Although Pens BIG letters do scare me.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:24PM
    • But @Brettie - you sound like you are saying that if the world joined in it would work and be worth doing??

      This makes your position even more disgraceful - I know the Libs don't think we matter on the world stage, but we actually punch a fair bit above our weight. Heard about setting an example? Being able to influence? Or is it 'I'm OK Jack, screw you' (which I hear is an early favourite for the Libs 2016 re-election slogan). Sleep well at night @Brettie - won't you?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:26PM
  • Here's a suggestion to the Labor/Green axis; since warming will benefit Russia and Canada by extending growing seasons and turning Newfoundland into the next Bali, why not tax them on the putative profits they will extract from this development. I'm sure Ottawa and Moscow will be open to this.

    Commenter
    Justino
    Location
    Avalon
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:57PM
    • How about you go hug a National that allows the current minority government to exist!

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:05PM
  • To borrow from anor:

    Today, July 17, 2014— a date which will live in infamy— the Commonwealth of Australia, by the actions of, one, Anthony John Abbott, was made the laughing stock of the world's developed countries, insofar as he denied the overwhelming evidence for global warming - all for crass political purposes.

    Commenter
    Jason of Gold Coast
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
  • Evangelical types will he happy that Australia has opted to exercise dominion over/destroy "God"'s creation rather than be good stewards of it. The holders of such views share responsibility for today's decision.

    Commenter
    Niall
    Location
    Darwin
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
    • Are you serious?

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:00PM
    • @Jim. - The Pope made his views pretty clear. Shame our lying PM dances to Rupert's tune.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:17PM
    • Tony - Are you serious?

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:38PM
  • So now Electricity Bill has to go to an election promising to increase the cost of electricity. Good luck with that.

    Commenter
    Trevor
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:53PM
    • power (and roast lamb) costs will have to go down first buddy, or Sir One Term Tony won't get a look in

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:58PM
    • Pray do tell how much the carbon tax increased power prices compared with power infrastructure costs, Go ahead make my day.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:59PM
  • "we certainly will not do anything that damages our economy or puts our people and our businesses at an unfair competitive disadvantage" - you just did - if you think our exports will not be affected by the imposition of tariffs by our overseas competitors who are themselves subject to carbon pricing then you are even dafter than I thought.

    Commenter
    Stevo
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:52PM
    • Err, $300 billion costs due to sea rise on Australian low lying areas?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:01PM
    • Pen
      Please explain the $300B figure.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:07PM
    • As long as it's only our competitors and not our customers who impose additional tarrifs then who cares.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:24PM
  • The good news for all the warmie alarmists is that anytime in future that we have a wet day, cold day, hot day, storm, bushfire, drought, cyclone, earthquake, volcanic eruption etc .. they can sit back in their comfy chairs and say "I told you so".

    Don't be alarmed folks, your moral superiority is safe.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:52PM
    • Most of us here are educated enough to understand the difference between weather and climate change, unlike the Abbotteers, who cannot work out why ocean warming is melting ice. Not mention how a 27% increase in atmospheric Co2 is creating global warming when they think there is no warming.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:58PM
    • Pen,

      Worth a read to continue your education process.

      http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82160

      Just a little excerpt:

      "In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record. Sea ice extended over 19.47 million square kilometers (7.51 million square miles) of the Southern Ocean. The previous record of 19.44 million square kilometers was set in September 2012."

      The ice isn't melting? WHAT?

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:41PM
  • He's a liar, how can he say he will not do anything that will endanger the economy on one hand and then say he is a conservationist. He will keep.

    Commenter
    Manic
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:50PM
  • i accept that trends are changing and i also accept that direct action is a pile of rubbish.. but the carbon tax was not the answer. its a shame that a clean energy future is not at the forefront of the governments agenda and its also a shame that Nuclear power seems to be treated like a pariah when it works so well..But my point is the left and the greens continue to lose the argument because of hysterical and unfounded warnings of apocalypse. Currently the Australian economy isstill reliant upon mining but if the greens had their way they would sacrifice the economy to satisfy their agenda ... there is no clear path but they are economic vandals who cannot be trusted.I hope that this government will eventuially also see there is a path to a cleaner and more efficient future.

    Commenter
    hodster
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:48PM
  • There are precious few days in my life I would say I'm ashamed to be Australian. This is one of them. Shame you vandals, you think of no-one but yourselves. #onetermtony

    Commenter
    Old Skool
    Location
    Orange
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:48PM
  • Has anyone seen the new PM Clive today.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:46PM
    • Yes, he was up at Point Abbot overseeing the dredging.
      Later on he is meeting with the local Mayor to have Point Abbot renamed with an additional "t" in honour of the namesake.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:57PM
  • The Abbott Climate Change wrecking ball has commenced. Bring on my reduced electricity charges as promised Mr Abbott....

    Commenter
    Bob W
    Location
    Montmorency
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • From the AGL website: "Now that legislation has been passed to remove the carbon tax, as an AGL residential or small business customer you will see a reduction to your electricity and gas prices. If we have recently notified you of changes to your electricity and gas prices, these changes did not take into account any price reduction from the removal of the carbon tax."

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:52PM
  • I don't get the joy being expressed by members of the general public over the repeal of the carbon tax. The only reason the LNP are dumping it is because they desperately needed a wedge issue to get elected with that the Murdoch press would support. You don't think they actually believe it do you? They could have been campaigning on any random issue and can probably not believe themselves that so many gullible fools joined them on the ride.

    Commenter
    Noel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:44PM
  • Cory Bernardi: "The public now, sadly expect pollies to break their promise ... it is as if political opinions are like Lotto numbers, chosen at random to suit the mood of the day" - the LNP political action plan summed up best by an insider - I wonder if he really thought this one through?

    Commenter
    RobE
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:44PM
  • Tony has proven his recalcitrance,
    the age of blind accounting - where saving a dollar justifies spending thousands - prevales,
    a "mandate" is touted even when the difference in the two party preferred vote is less than the informal vote, andwe all regress further toward feudalistic lifestyles.

    Commenter
    Wallabyted
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:44PM
    • You're right. The government has no mandate! Of course, no other Australian government ever has either...... oh dear, hang on, that means no government can actually do anything. Oh, maybe that's not such a good thing.... oh dear, scrap above thought bubble, start again.....D'OH!!

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:05PM
  • Good grief, it is a monumental day.
    I agree with Bernadi.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:40PM
    • Gal

      Bernadi should read:

      "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" (Mk 6:34).

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:51PM
    • C'mon Pen, which religion are you choosing? Christianity or Climate Change?

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:53PM
    • What? That he is disconnected? Quick, reconnect him; up the voltage!

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:53PM
    • Cheers pen, good one.
      I do miss Barney Schwartz on FF.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:59PM
    • David heh, heh- Zap.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:00PM
    • Puzzled

      Bernadi is the Christian whereas dear old Pen is one of the few people who understands the bible, despite being an atheist. Which of course explains my atheism.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:04PM
  • Ba baaa, climate change is baaaad. All the warming sheep out in force bleating that the carbon is gone and any hope of the world reaching 2100 has gone with it.

    According to the IPCC, Australia's carbon tax would have reduced world temperatures by 0.0038 degrees by 2100, so I can see why people are upset. Can you imagine a world that is 0.0038 degrees hotter.

    Better get out the wind powered air-conditioner if you are to survive a heatwave of that magnitude.

    Commenter
    Southpark conservative
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:39PM
    • Mate, we were not acting alone.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:41PM
    • absolutely right South NeoCon - we need a perfroming ETS to straighten out these emmissions

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:43PM
    • Oh dear not another Abbotteer who does not understand that any one country cannot effect atmospheric climate, Basically the atmospheric climate is controlled by ocean climate not by some idiot spouting utter crap.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:43PM
    • So what is the point of Direct Action then?

      Why do the coalition want to reduce emissions?

      Commenter
      of course
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • @SPC - Yes because that exactly the point. Well said.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:48PM
    • Southport Conservative.

      By voting to increase Australia's pollution Tony Abbott and his LNP government can unashamedly claim to be "The Polluters Best Friend".

      Commenter
      f
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
    • @jofek - quite true. the EU have a scheme at only a fraction of our price...and ours was due to rise even further. Brilliant policy.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:56PM
    • Sick of the left,

      you must be hospital bound given Abbott's performance.

      Commenter
      f
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:04PM
    • Funny how people say... oh but because it will only help a little bit it wont matter if it doesnt happen at all. But, if EVERYONE helped just a little bit then it would end up helping a lot. How shortsighted and stuck up are you people? ANY change to the environment, no matter if it is big or small, is a change that wasn't happening before it was made. If ALL of the countries in the world reduced world temperatures by 0.0038 degrees by 2100
      then it would be a HUGE impact. But if everyone takes Australia's approach then we are screwed. But, omg... we need that $550 a year in our pockets far more than making a difference to the lives of our future descendants who will inherit what we leave behind.

      Commenter
      MJG
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:21PM
    • @f - are you another member of the warming faith (hence f) who believe that CO2 is pollution? Is it any wonder that the world cannot have a rational discussion about climate change when 1 the warmers now believe that CO2 is pollution.

      Commenter
      Southpark conservative
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:58PM
    • Southpark, for your benefit and the benefit of any other squaddies who don't know what pollution is:

      "the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance which has harmful or poisonous effects."

      Just google 'pollution definition' and you'll see most definitions are in line with that. Let me know if you're still struggling?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:29PM
    • Sick of the left, you know direct action (in the unlikely event that commitment won't also be broken) will not be free?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:30PM
  • As Abbott gloats about the carbon price removal I will be keeping my electricity bills and when the promised savings do not eventuate I will be telling everyone about the lies Abbott told about this.

    Even more galling is that the lie of $550 savings per year are more then offset by his budget of despair even if the savings existed.

    Climate change is not be crap but this government certainly is.

    Commenter
    Unbelievable
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:39PM
  • Looks like Palmer will save on having to pay to pollute thanks to his mates. As for the Minister for the Environment, we can do without his caring for the environment. Tony Abbott putting Australia first, no, he is putting money first and history will judge him an idiot. I fear for the future of what I love about my country and it's unique environment.

    Commenter
    Rhonda
    Location
    Mid Norht Coast
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:38PM
  • Can we put Whyalla on the map again????

    Commenter
    Graham
    Location
    Swan Hill
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:37PM
    • We never went away

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      Whyalla
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:40PM
    • Why, where di it go?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:40PM
    • No unfortunately, it's been converted into a sheep station, in anticipation for the rush on lamb roasts.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • I'm sorry @Rod whenever I hear 'Whyalla' I get an image in my head of a politician looking stupid and and urge to listen to 'Living in the 70s'

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:47PM
    • It never went away. It was all part of Abbott's and Rupert's dumbing down of the Nation.

      Given Abbott is now PM, it obviously has worked. There are enough idiots out there to ensure even and Abbott can be PM.

      Commenter
      TommyP
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:51PM
    • Maybe you should ask the union boss who first said it:
      http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/04/27/3201383.htm
      "The Australian Workers Union has already warned the tax could devastate industrial cities like Whyalla and Port Pirie in South Australia."

      Commenter
      Tony H
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:13PM
  • "there was a rainbow over Lake Burley Griffin."

    Is this a reminder by God that the Earth will be destroyed next time by fire or heat? His way of saying, keep stoking those fires LNP. (BTW, this is all sarcasm)

    Commenter
    PeterY
    Location
    NeverYouMind
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:36PM
  • It's going to be interesting to see just how much the public is going to save now that the carbon tax is gone. I get the feeling that the $550 Abbott keeps spruiking that everyone will save will be pie in the sky - I'll be surprised if it is even half of that. Just have to wait and see.

    Commenter
    maryjane
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:35PM
    • But even if it were true (which it isn't) would you not be prepared to sacrifice $550 a year to avoid the worse of global warming for your kids???

      Are Australians really this selfish - I don't think so.

      Commenter
      SarWen
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:48PM
  • Breaking news Morrison claims credit for CT repeal. Its a boarder protection measure. The ice cap continues to melt sea levels rise boats have to travels further so they won't get here. Its now an on water issue so secrecy will be the norm problem solved back to sleep.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:34PM
    • Boarder??

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:38PM
    • I doubt that because he we will not comment on safety at sea operations!

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:38PM
    • Boarders need protection.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:44PM
  • Soooo... let me get this straight... a scheme where companies paid their way based on how much they pollute has been replaced by a scheme where companies that pollute are paid taxpayers money not to pollute...
    So this is the budget emergency Big Tone & Smokin' Joe have been talking about right?

    Commenter
    Rex
    Location
    Turramurra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:32PM
    • Exactly right, we won't see one red cent more in our pockets but we will pay a lot more via our taxes for a policy (if it is implemented) that will be ineffective.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:44PM
  • Sad to the point of despair... To sell off the possibility of a safe healthy future for our children and grandchildren so fossil fuel barons can gouge profits from our soils fin the dying days of the industry and the people can temporarily get an illusory $10 / week more is criminally greedy and wantonly destructive.

    Commenter
    Immi's Mum
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:31PM
  • We should all be deeply ashamed. We collectively put the Abbott Government in power fully knowing this was their policy. Hopefully we can learn finally from this. We reap what we sew.

    Commenter
    Novocastrian
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:31PM
    • I think you just confirmed Abbott had a mandate.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:37PM
    • Sir Tony of One Term discussed his mandate with GregHunt this morning

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • brian

      Mandate are not given by lies, you see that is not democracy is it?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • Brian - Mumbles having a *mandate* does not absolve collective idiocy.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:48PM
    • That'd be "sow", mate, however, the most disturbing element of your missive is your assumption that your quasi-religious beliefs in green apocalyptic fantasies should trump electoral results. Beware those who call the electorate dumb because it dares to disagree with them.

      Commenter
      justino
      Location
      Avalon
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:36PM
    • Thanks for the spelling lesson. Obviously your language skills are far superior to your scientific knowledge. My concern for the planet and the future of my children is not based on any quasi-religious belief or even a political opinion (as I find much of the greens policies to be odious). I, like many others, base my views on the acceptance that the overwhelming scientific consensus supports action and economists support an ETS as the most efficient mechanism to deliver the change which is urged. Others are free to stick their heads in the sand and to nitpick the odd spelling error.

      Commenter
      Novocastrian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:01PM
  • Err, Abbott begins, “If I could address a few words to the Australian people.”
    “You voted to scrap the tax in September last year and today the Parliament has finally listened.” I understand that so many lies told by myself and other coalition members was at times confusing, indeed may I say ridiculous at times, however, I succeeded in blotting out the light from your eyes with total bull shit.

    Hunt here is “Entitled to feel some pride today”. Has a purveyor of lies, deceit, misrepresentation and inaccuracies he has no equal.

    “It was pain without gain,” Hunt says of the tax while looking skywards.

    Abbott continues, I would like to thank Uncle Rupert for all of his help in spreading the mine owners dogma, and to Andrew Bolt a special thankyou on a job well done of persistent porkie telling.

    Finally to the gullible thank you most sincerely for being sincere believers in crap, a fossil fuelled filthy and a most dangerous future. Thanks again I could not have pulled it off without you.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:29PM
  • I for one welcome our new global warming overlords.... Canberra is freezing today !!

    Commenter
    Sick of the left
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:29PM
    • And in parts of Melbourne it is snowing. Al Gore must be in town.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:34PM
    • goodness, you should seek a research grant from the Commonwealth, your scientific method is rigorous, impeccaryable... oh .... hang on... scientific grants have been axed, unless you're researching certarean gastronomic efficacy?

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:36PM
    • "Canberra is cold" - how does it follow that therefore there's no global warming?

      I wonder why it is that so many with strong opinions on the science of global warming don't have the faintest idea of what they're talking about?

      Commenter
      of course
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:59PM
  • There's no-one more to blame for this than the greens. They blocked an ETS, forced an unpopular carbon tax instead, which led to the demise of the Labour government and the death of a carbon price in this country.

    Commenter
    Funny
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:28PM
    • It may have escaped your attention that both the Coalition and the PUP have effectively voted out an ETS. Or has this reality escaped you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:39PM
    • So that is like the Nationals having the Deputy PM position by default?

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
  • This is a victory for deniers of science, those who choose ideology over evidence based reality.

    That's why this victory is short-lived. If the deniers think everyone will forget about climate change and "move on", they are delusional. The fight for effective climate action will continue stronger than ever.

    Commenter
    of course
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:27PM
  • Photo 1.14pm Hunt & Abbott - I was thinking B1 & B2. But no they are P1 and P2. Polluters 1 & 2

    Commenter
    Conservationist
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:27PM
  • Oh dear, celebration over inaction.

    Advance Australia Fair hey...I'm so proud of how unadvanced we truely have become

    Commenter
    Western Sydney
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:26PM
  • Extra Extra !!! Carbon price axed!!!!! Roast Lamb Futures plummet !!!!

    Commenter
    rod steiger
    Location
    toukley
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:26PM
    • Has Whyalla reappeared yet!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:31PM
    • I think it has been deciding if its too hot to grow grapes for wine and come down in the affirmative.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:09PM
  • This whole debacle is the fault of this Greenies who did not support Kevin Rudd for ETS back in 2008. I hope people will vote out Greenies in the next election because not for them we would not have this idiot of Prime Minister taking us back to the dark ages.

    Commenter
    John Howard
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
    • You mean Tony Abbott? Because Howard went to the 2007 election with an ETS and so did Rudd.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:32PM
  • So many people here today posting comments about the Carbon Tax dying. You do realise that your computers cost a lot of energy to manufacture, ship and use...and now you burn energy to write all of these comments !!! You naughty, naughty, naughty little environmental vandals !!!

    Commenter
    Sick of the left
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
    • @Sick of the L:eft, Actuall y my pc is p e d a l p o w e r ed a n d I'm p e d a ll i n g as f ast a s I ca n.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:29PM
    • Honestly that is an Abbottism if I have ever heard one. Goodness we are in trouble!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:32PM
    • Yes. but why continue with fossil fuels when Australia has the greatest amount of solar energy in the world. When the largest CSP plant, Ivanpah produces 1,037,127 MW•h/year rounding up to 1.04 TW•h/year (1 terrawatt equals 1 000 000 000 000 watts, therefore at 1842 KWh per ton of coal Ivanpah over a lifespan of 40 years saves 239,739,400 tonnes of coal and at the current price of $72 per ton saves $17,261,236,800 and reducers 685,654,684 tonnes of atmospheric Co2.

      Perhaps these enormous savings do not resonate with you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:35PM
    • My ipad is solar powered and my carbon footprint minute. For all the emissions I DON'T create, embedded ones are offset.
      So try again.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:38PM
    • Haha...that's actually pretty funny Mitch :-)

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:41PM
    • @SoL Seeing we haven't seen EiE today, I suspect you are actually the same person, making about as much sense.

      So. errr we (the 'luvvies') are trying to foster a renewable energy future, and because your lot (' the luddites') are stopping that, what, we go and live in caves while you and Smokin light one up? Is that it?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:42PM
    • @Pieron....please advise which part of my post in not correct in fact ?
      Dave...if global warming was the greatest moral challenge of our time, why did the previous govt then spend $40-70 Bn on the NBN rather than on a solar/ wind/ thermal/tidal industry that would have paid itself off in a decade ? Politics. The faux outrage from BS today was...well BS.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:49PM
    • @country gal - so your emissions are 'minute ' and therefore okay..like Australia 's emissions compared to...say...China's??

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:23PM
  • The truth is no Australian voter has ever voted for or against a Carbon Tax, or an ETS, even if they imagine they have.

    None of these issues ever appear on ballot papers, they're things other people like Abbott, Shorten, Milne and now Palmer get to decide.

    You count for next to nothing..

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    A ripe apple grows - the highest of them all
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:24PM
    • I miss the real SteveH, this imposter sounds too logical.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where spin departments get their logins wrong
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:34PM
  • This whole debacle is the fault of this Greenies who did not support Kevin Rudd for ETS back in 2008. I hope people will vote out Greenies in the next election because not for them we would not have this idiot of Prime Minister taking us back to the dark ages.

    Commenter
    John Howard
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:21PM
  • Abolition of the carbon tax is a victory fro common sense. This idea that human activity is affecting the climate is scientific fraud. Governments and the public the world over have been brainwashed by the fraudulent scientists of the IPCC.
    The earth has always gone through phases of cooling and warming. We may be in a warming phase at the moment, but even that is not clear - there has been global warming for 18 years.

    Commenter
    Madrigal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:21PM
  • Here's hoping Labor and the Greens will continue to follow Rudd, Turnbull and GIllard to the career graveyard that is the carbon tax. The idea that a tax imposed in Canberra can change the earth's climate is dumber than any religious fantasy or myth yet invented. To paraphrase Orwell, it's an idea so stupid you'd have to be a metropolitan, broadsheet reading intellectualoid to believe it. Pity about that pesky electorate, eh?

    Commenter
    Justino
    Location
    Avalon
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:20PM
    • It will though. The IPCC say that the carbon tax could lower temperatures by at most 0.0038degree by 2100.And to achieve that result it would have only cost approx. $2.5Trillion. That a bargain in any lefties language.

      Commenter
      Southpark conservative
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:45PM
    • Southpark conservative - a $2.5 trillion bargain indeed!! And yet apparently $7 to see the doctor is just completely unreasonable!?!

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:51PM
  • The headline questioned "Is this Murdoch's boldest move yet?" and the answer is a definite no. His boldest move was the far cheaper outlay to buy the influence over the current Australian Government. The cost was minimal as it only required a favourable editorial stance from his media outlets and the occasional dinner with Tony. One wonders when he will be given his wish to control all media in Australia. Has to be soon whilst Tony is still in power and the Pandora's box is in his hands. Now the carbon tax has gone bring on the media battle.

    Commenter
    Tucky
    Location
    Warragul
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:20PM
  • If there was ever a judas decision in politics this is it. For 10 pieces of sliver ( or $250- $500 depending on who you believe- a successful carbon mitigation scheme is abolished -- for what. The PUP celebrations is astonishing as it is their constituencies that will suffer most from the repeal.- Tasmania in particular with its highly developed hydro scheme.
    Myopia where the foresight exists, stupidity where reason was absent sums up this black day in Australian politics.
    A black day that guarantees even blacker days ahead -- may be not for the Senate membership -- but the condemnation of their children and grand children to a bleak future of climate extemes Treachery and a betrayal of future generations of Australians, the judas moment is upon us. Shame on you.

    Commenter
    LLawenydd
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:19PM
  • 1.14 What a load of bollocks!

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:18PM
    • @ACG Notice they can't keep a straight face saying it.

      By the way, sorry I didn't turn up last night, heard the lamb was good. Got too drunk on the champers.....

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:22PM
    • Could not have said it better, actually the Bollocks started at 1:01pm and has continued unabated for 15 minutes. We have copped a real bollocking!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:29PM
    • Dave, wondered where you got to. Yes, Lamb was yummy with a glass of Shiraz.
      As for their smirks, I'd like to wipe them off.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:51PM
    • P.S Dave, debating on whether it should be Turkey or Goose tonight. Just can't decide on the stuffing.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:08PM
  • Can just imagine TA as he gets pulled over by the cops then blows over the limit:

    I am a good driver, a careful adult driver, committed to road safety and meeting my obligations when it comes to consuming alcohol.

    (umms, arrhs, and 5 second pauses omitted for brevity)

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:18PM
    • Bill would just give the cop his drivers licence wrapped in a $100 note. That or he would ask who his commanding officer is and if he was in the union, then he would threaten the use union force on the officer. Both are acceptable union methods in dealing with problems.

      Commenter
      Southpark conservative
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:51PM
  • I am cast in a slough of despond re this terrible, terrible government and what it is doing to our once-great country. This Prime Minister must surely be the most monumentally atrocious in this country's history--and into its future. I simply can't bear to read about what is happening.

    Commenter
    Meggs
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:18PM
    • Doesn't fit your politics ... boo-hoo.

      They said they would do it and now they've done it. Stop the boats - tick. Axe the tax - tick. Now to fix the budget. Once this is done you will have a trifecta of promises made good. Not bad going.

      Commenter
      RB
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:31PM
  • Yet another bald faced lie

    "Well, we certainly will not do anything that damages our economy or puts our people and our businesses at an unfair competitive disadvantage," he replies.

    "We're never ever going to do that. We stand up for Australia."

    What "people" are included in this trite utterance - only the ones that you rub shoulders with - the Tope End of Town

    Commenter
    Liar Liar
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:16PM
  • This final outcome is squarely the fault of the Greens.

    Had they supported Kevin Rudd's original ETS it would still be in place and we wouldn't have had the continual circus that now passes for federal parliament. And most importantly we wouldn't have had Tony Abbott as PM.

    Commenter
    Pete in Cronulla
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:15PM
    • Pete, The ALP are to blame not the Greens. Look at whats going on in NSW with Obeid. Dont be so silly.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:21PM
  • Australia clearly has no moral right to now complain that China, India and other developing countries are polluting the world. We got rid of the carbon tax and will be exporting more coal to the new economies to burn and generate more CO2. The consequences of all this "flat earth" foolishness will be a crushing blow to the existence of life on this beautiful planet.

    Commenter
    Sad Day
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:15PM
  • There's nothing I wish to add to this matter save for the scintillating prospect of having my living costs reduced by $10.58 per week stemming from reduced grocery & utilities prices, which I'm positive will be passed on.

    Commenter
    Jason of Gold Coast
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:14PM
    • There's one born every minute. No wonder lying politicians get away with it all of the time.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
    • Don't hold your breath.

      Commenter
      howler monkey
      Location
      election promised land
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:29PM
    • MItch, I think you may've missed my irony; you're obviously not a regular contributor.

      Commenter
      Jason Gold Coast
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:32PM
  • 1:08pm; The lies continue, or do you think Tony has no concept of the impact his governments first budget of lies will have!

    Commenter
    Get Real
    Location
    Where lies are the new black
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:14PM
  • Tony Abbott: "We are a conservationist government. We are a government which absolutely appreciates that we have only got one planet and we should pass it on to our children and grandchildren in at least as good shape as we found it"

    So what part of "conservation" includes being the only country to remove a working price on carbon, dumping dredge silt on the great barrier reef and opening up old growth, world heritage listed forest for logging? Tony, you will be judged not by what you say, but by what you do. So far your actions have amounted to nothing more than environmental vandalism.

    Commenter
    RobE
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:13PM
    • Conserving business and jobs from going offshore maybe.

      Commenter
      Piped Piper
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:19PM
    • Piped Piper, what jobs have been saved? You do realise last week the government admitted manufacturing was still going to head overseas. Do deal with reality please.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where lies are the new black
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
  • Another Abbott lie;
    " we will reduce emissions "
    Keep this in mind when the next report comes out and lets see how hes done shall we?
    But if theres no change at all , and no one sees any of this 550 dollars what will he and his party stooges say then?
    Oh i know, theyll blame labor and the greens....

    Commenter
    mirrorsofsmoke
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
  • "We are a conservationist government".

    Pure comedic satire from the PM. And here's me thinking he has no sense of humour.

    Commenter
    The Banker
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:08PM
    • I bet he meant to say "we are a secretive conservative government" but he didn't write it down, so it was a lie.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:23PM
  • 1:01pm: Add this to growing number of Abbott lies, also memo to Peta tell Tony the election is over. He won and time to stop campaigning and peddling lies.

    Commenter
    Get Real
    Location
    Where lies are bandied about like oxygen
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:06PM
  • Abbotts' Legacy - to shame our nation.And that's the way it will go down in history.

    Commenter
    Forever to be remembered
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
  • "Australia is the developed world's worst polluter per head of population." BBC NEWS. Congratulations are in order - we win !!

    Commenter
    Enoch Thompson
    Location
    Double Bay Boardwalk
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
    • Such a BS Stat , its the percent amount we contribute to the global problem that truly matters and that last I saw was about 2 percent. Which means we are but a tiny tiny drop in the overall bucket !!

      Commenter
      BigTedd
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:26PM
  • Why is this a featured comment which has one sided opinion only. Should you not have a featured comment relevant from both sides of the argument?

    Commenter
    no rose tinted glasses
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
  • "The carbon tax is gone!" to a collective yawn by all except Liberal enthusiasts & power companies.

    Of course, the rest of his government's actions & demeanor are at this rate going to see him come to a quick end at the hands of an angry electorate, and climate change isn't going to go away, but by all means lets have a few weeks of triumphalism. He does it so well...

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
  • News Flash! Australia has become the first country in the world to Abolish the price on carbon! What an enlightened, progressive nation we are, out their leading the rest of the world with their fancy-pants Emission Trading Schemes etc. They are sooooo 2010. Australia is the new North Korea! Woo hoo!

    Commenter
    Sir Noddy of Glebe
    Location
    LaLaLand
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:03PM
    • Get your facts right we were the only mugs that had a tax. That cost a lot of peoples livelihoods.

      Commenter
      Murray Mint
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
    • Murray
      Get your facts straight. Most countries now have a Carbon Tax or ETS or both.
      Labor presided over the greatest growth in jobs we have seen in the past 5 years. Tony has ensured that won't last by increasing unemployment.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:28PM
    • name one person Murray, one company that lost it's livelihhod.. oh yeh.. there was NONE

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:41PM
  • What next? Start chopping down World Heritage Forests & dump silt in the Great Barrier Reef? Oh yeah...

    Commenter
    Enoch Thompson
    Location
    Double Bay Boardwalk
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:00PM
    • Done !

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:13PM
    • Enoch...that's brilliant. We could erect wind farms along the entire length of the barrier reef !! They'd be protected from collision from shipping and would be an awesome tourist attraction. Sir...I doff my hat to you.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:33PM
  • What are people going to do when theower bills dont come down?

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 1:00PM
    • Still blame Labor!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      The blame game will contiue
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:09PM
    • Is there an address that I can send my details to so I can get my personal reimbursement from Tony? He promised me $550 and I expect him to deliver.

      Commenter
      AussieA
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:33PM
    • Well...yes...with only half of the people getting solar feed in tariffs it is left to the other half who aren't getting it to support the coal fired infrastructure .....the Labor/ Green policy remember? Yes. Until. 2028 in fact !

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:39PM
  • The carbon tax has been axed.
    This is fantastic news.
    Apparently they ARE going to keep their pre-election promises.
    Here's a few more they might like to tackle -

    "No cuts to education, no cuts to health…"

    “...no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    "No changes to pensions."

    Commenter
    howler monkey
    Location
    election promised land
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:59PM
  • The Environment Minister is still in campaign mode.
    Abbott is still in opposition mode and the leader of the country Clive is in wealth accumulation mode.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:59PM
  • What happens to his credibility now that the conflated $550 reduction doesn't happen. To the lowest of the low.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    Stanmore
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:58PM
    • He will just tell yet another lie

      Commenter
      Roger
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
  • Flannery's waterfront property is doomed!

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:56PM
  • Emission complete! Ironically, Australian governance and supporting policy is now close to resembling that of a tipping site.

    Commenter
    R C
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:55PM
  • Congratulations Tony Abbott. And all your supporters. You have taken a well constructed bridge on the road to a workable global ETS and built ........a pile of sticks.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:55PM
    • David you misspelt a word there - it's not "a pile of sticks"...

      Commenter
      RobE
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:07PM
  • So the lying hypocrites had to rely on a deal with a minor party whose bankroller has a big carbon bill. A dirty deal if ever there was one.

    Commenter
    Bluepoint
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:54PM
  • Outstanding work Tony, well done, keep delivering on your promises .As for the jellyfish and zealots party's, irrelevant as ever and long may it be so

    Commenter
    Tonys & Scotts Mate
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:53PM
    • Great!
      The one and only promise he keeps is the only one that the majority of Australians wanted him to break.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:12PM
  • Yeah, you can go and join Joe, and Cormann and all of you Liberals who look down on the masses with disdain, and pour even more filthy pollution into the air.
    You and people like you are a disgrace to humanity.

    Commenter
    glenncharles
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:53PM
    • Why don't you start some positive action by turning off your laptop and saving some power.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:16PM
  • Let's make this clear Mr Abbott I did not vote for you, and no thanks to the people that did.

    Commenter
    Amro
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:53PM
  • Bout time we got rid of the carbon tax.

    It's all just a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap.

    Commenter
    Eric Cartman
    Location
    South Park
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:51PM
    • Better a tree than a coal mine.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:55PM
    • Polar bears should start falling out of the sky any time now.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:57PM
    • Oh well said,Sir. I will leave it to you to have a word with the seals and polar bears to stop them warming the oceans, right?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:00PM
  • Just another day where I feel great shame for simply being an Australian. We have been racking these up a lot lately.

    Worst. Government. Ever.

    Commenter
    Syd
    Location
    Sydnaaaaay
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:51PM
    • @Syd, now that's a 3-word slogan worth repeating.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:02PM
    • Oh, Syd...you had really better buckle up, son. There are a lot more days where those came from with this government.

      Commenter
      Sir Noddy of Glebe
      Location
      LaLaLand
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:05PM
    • Maybe just get your over-the-top street theatre death scenes out of the way, then you can go back to class for the rest of the day while the earth keeps turning and 99% of people don't even notice whatever it is you are on about.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:56PM
  • Last week, the lefties would have us believe that it was all over, Abbott had failed, couldn't negotiate, couldn't get anything passed etc etc.

    I hope they enjoy a big slice of humble pie today.

    Commenter
    adrian
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:48PM
    • Adrian
      What has Abbott given away to PUP to get this through?
      Or is that a secret?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:56PM
    • adrian, nobody for a minute thought Clive wouldn't, in the end, vote for his own self-interest. All the faffing about was just Clive pretending to be the Jolly Green Battler's Friend so he could put some bright yellow egg on Tony's face (Tony done him wrong a couple of years ago, apparently- they're good haters, those Liberals) while increasing his media exposure.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:03PM
    • This is another lie. Remember that Abbottsaid he will not do any deals with minor parties never ever. Who can trust this dog.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:03PM
    • adrian, no one doubted this woeful Government would eventually get their appalling repeal through; do you squaddies ever get tired of making stuff up?

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:08PM
    • So Steve, last week the lefties said he failed to negotiate, this week he gets results and the lefties say he gave too much away.

      All the lefties care about is criticising Abbott, no matter what he does.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
    • jofek, don't take my word for it, read the comments from last week and get back to me.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:10PM
  • Does the coalition & PUP honestly think that all people care is saving $550 a year? An amount that is dubious at best, but worse, this is how they frame people's intelligence. Apparently they believe the average Australians can be bought for $550, because that's as far as they can think, and as far as they care. People should be very offended by this vote.

    Commenter
    Ace
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:47PM
    • No...but they'll protest for a $7 GP co-payment scheme...but they won't protest this...or the crisis in Syria...or Russia's invasion of Ukraine....nope...just so etching that hurts their hip pocket. Because that is what really matters to them. Faux outrage.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:16PM
    • You clearly misunderstand the difference. Only people who go to a GP would face the $7 a visit co-payment. These people are more often than not the very people who can least afford it. Your belief that people can't possibly be concerned about 2 different things at the same time (ie: Syria AND co-payments) is something that really only applies to far-right wingers - due to their inability to think laterally and to process complex subjects. It's the same things that makes them love the sound-bite policy thing.

      Commenter
      Ace
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:47PM
    • Ace, if you actually read my comment you'd notice that the point I was making was that people get out on the streets to protest about a few dollars but dont do the same when peoples lives are being lost overseas. They might care about it but they dont DO anything about it. Writing comments here makes them feel good but does nothing.

      Commenter
      sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 4:16PM
  • On the positive side now the CT has been repealed none of the positive outcomes Abbott & the LNP have been promoting will materialise. Australia will realise it was all a con. Any political good will you think you have banked has just been lost.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:46PM
    • How many +1 am I allowed?

      Commenter
      G Force
      Location
      Syd
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:52PM
  • Ask the punters out there: who paid the carbon tax, who received it and what was it spent on, and I wager a majority won't know the answers.
    Anyone like to have a shot?

    Commenter
    Jack
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:46PM
    • Err look around and you will see quite a lot of tall white posts with thingumajigs whirling around at the top them.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:52PM
    • I paid a minute amount. I make my own power.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:28PM
    • @ CG plenty of hot air , you must be a walking powerhouse ! Stll being a country boy I have been known to contribute my fair share of methane and carbon gas !

      Commenter
      A Country Boy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:53PM
    • ACB, ever contemplated harnessing your unique and personal power supply?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:19PM
  • Congratulations to Abbott & Co for extinguishing the carbon tax. They have successfully mortgaged the future of our young citizens to the vagaries of nature. I hope the protagonists who clamoured for the abolition of the carbon tax live long enough to explain to their grand children why Australia is such a hostile place to live. Shouldn't forget to trumpet Abbott contribution. In the ensuing years, those enjoying the salibrious waterfront properties can expect a slow but sure erosion of their homes. But don't come running to the government for handouts from the public purse. Please remember that your elected government got rid of the mechanism that was meant to protect our future.

    Commenter
    Sad Day
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:45PM
    • The insanity that Australia's pissy little carbon tax had any effect on global warming is astounding. The fear mongering that because of TA the world will flood is ridiculous. 98% of carbon emissions come from the rest of the world. 98%! China builds a new coal power station every 13 days. Go bitch to them, comrades. It was clear that Australian people voted many times against such a scheme. Unless the world largest emitters, Australia is about 18th, get together at the next meeting you can go the “Uncle Doug” until you’re blue in the face but nothing will change. Keeping or repealing the tax, starting an ETS scheme in Australia does absolutely nothing to the problem but if you want to feel like you’re changing the world then go for it with both hands.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:37PM
  • Ahh, just think of it, people will be checking their bills and food prices, and thinking, :"Where is the $550?" After four years, it has been drummed into people, and Abbott has said many, many times the figure of $550 that people are now going to expect it.

    Commenter
    wdawes
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:43PM
  • I believe the majority of Australians support an ETS. I would suggest that we have a plebiscite on the matter however we have a PM whom, when in opposition called for a plebiscite on this matter but stated. " I reserve the right to ignore the plebiscite outcome if I don't like it". Says it all really LNP do not respect the voters after all this man Abbott who cries I have a mandate don't obstruct me, ignored Rudds Mandate in 2007 for his ETS and was nothing but obstructionist while in opposition

    Commenter
    Jessica
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:43PM
    • There will be no ETS unless the polls at election time warrant one. But then we have the foreknowledge of the depth of lies that Abbott has in his bag of scams.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:49PM
  • Beating up on refugees, talk of re-introducing corporal punishment, axing a price on carbon, dredging the coral reef, knights and dames, repealing FoFA...my god we are a backward country

    Commenter
    CB
    Location
    Glenorie
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:43PM
    • Why is it that you have no regard for refugees sitting in camps across the world. Don't you like them because they have no money and are dirt poor? Obviously you want economic refugees who have money but don't want to wait their turn.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:17PM
  • The whole thing is overblown rubbish from both sides:

    1 - Most people never felt the cost at all
    2 - The tax never changed the amount of carbon put into the atmosphere anyway

    Commenter
    Darryl Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:42PM
    • Darryl: Correct on one front: it was a paltry cost for most companies. However, it was successful in reducing GHG emissions in Australia by around 17 million tonnes of GHG Emissions in the electricity sector. See: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html

      Commenter
      Dermot
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:53PM
    • The Clean Energy Council ESTIMATE = 78.9 billion KWh saving 25,800 tonnes of coal. Based on Hallett 3 wind farm best performance our 1345 turbines at $5 million each generate 3.829 billion KWh, and abate 3.58 million tonnes of Co2. I leave you to add solar.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:57PM
    • Darryl
      Read the ANU analysis
      The Tax was hugely successful in reducing CO2 emissions.
      The implementation was hugely successful in that no-one noticed its impact.
      Only Coal miners were affected, but they had plenty of overseas demand to fill their coffers.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:00PM
    • Darryl: 1. True. 2. False.

      Your homework is to research your statements before posting.

      Commenter
      RobE
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:03PM
    • So how much did we spend on the compensation side to balance the cost of the tax??
      that had an effect
      the report should measure the whole package, the climate funds etc not simply the tax

      Commenter
      SK Ared
      Location
      ACT
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:35PM
    • To those who have responded to my comments above, Pen of hrba has hit the nail on the head. These CO2 savings are ESTIMATES ONLY. In other words, no one knows the savings if there are any.

      Also 17M tonnes ... big deal . This is less than 3% of annual emissions and is nothing but a rounding error.

      Commenter
      Darryl Melbourne
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:17PM
  • What a disgraceful day for Australia. Truthless Tony continues on his idelogical rampage to better the position of the wealthy at the expense of the rest of us and our planet. Wake up Australia, take a step back and have a look at all the measures introduced or proposed by this Government, I am confident you should be frightened by what you see.

    Commenter
    Harlequin
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:42PM
    • Good, solid argument with lots of facts and figures. I'm sold!!! (not)

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:50PM
  • Great question from Riley. I bet Labor don't run on that issue come 2016 election time.

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:42PM
  • The problem with this debate, and much of the debate at present about policy, is that you can only be in one camp or the other.

    That is, if you thought it sensible to ditch the carbon tax, you must be a supporter of environmental rape.

    Likewise, if you think the mining tax should be repealed, you must be a one-eyed supporter of unfetered lining of the pockets of mining magnates.

    The reality is that whatever your view on the underlying issue - and for the record my view is that we should be taking effective steps to address climate change and the people of Australia should receive appropriate return on our resources - both taxes were poorly drafted and poorly implemented.

    The carbon tax allowed those companies who were charged the tax to pass on "no more" than that tax to its customers. Therefore, they could pass on 100% of the tax. If you are hit with a tax that is going to cost you $100, and you can recover that cost from your customers, where is your incentive to change. Even if you did change behaviour and reduced your carbon emissions such that you reduced your carbon tax payment to $50, then you could only recover $50 from customers and your net position is the same. Absolutely zero incentive to change behaviours.

    As for the mining tax, the concessions made in the drafting of that tax are laughable in how much they diluted the likelihood of ever recovering anything meaningful by way of tax.

    So whilst it might be good policy to address climate change, the implementation of that policy via the carbon and mining taxes was woeful.

    But if you dare say "this carbon tax should go", you are branded an uncaring environmental rapist.

    Commenter
    PH
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:41PM
  • A lot of Henny Penny comments today. Just because we Axed the Tax, doesn't mean to say that Environmental issues are not going to be addressed in the future. One of the great ideas I thought the Greens had was to get rid of the plastic bags. It had so much promise and people got on board and then it stalled. What happened there?

    Commenter
    Sarah of Carnegie
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:39PM
    • Consumer reluctance to accept change and responsible shopping habits.
      Try SA, Tas and the ACT.
      My Shire implemented a no bags policy. My closest town acted irresponsibly, the other town- bag free. A clear example of why legislation is needed to enact change.
      I expect people will now begin to use more power, in the thinking that they can.
      Get ready for bill shock.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:56PM
    • Sarah
      Truthless Tony and his band of shock jocks killed it.
      The same people who make money out of fossil fuels make money out of plastics.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:02PM
  • Can you just imagine in 20 years time Tony Abbott trying to explain the merits of abolishing the carbon tax to his grandchildren who will be growing up while climate change is impacting on their daily lives.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:38PM
    • He can't properly explain the merits of doing it today. I doubt he will find any clarity in the ensuing 20 years.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
    • His grandchildren will probably be glad that they have their mothers' married names with nothing to link them to the name Abbott.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
    • um er um....

      Commenter
      RobE
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:46PM
    • he'll do it with a lot of head wobbling and going "Uhm Ahm Uhm"

      No different from today really.

      It's almost like Tony Abbot is the Australian version of George W Bush.

      Commenter
      steve
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
  • A win for the billionaire miners.
    A loss for the planet.
    A win for Abbott and the Libs who put money and power before our future.

    Commenter
    Gen9
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:36PM
    • a win for unemployed who will now have the ability to get jobs, their income tax will pay for your welfare

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:12PM
  • Those vandals, er, repealers are the same people who don't recognise leads and lags in the economy, so we should be seeing prices come down straight away, today, right?

    Commenter
    Bluepoint
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:35PM
    • Oh, I always thought it was the luvies who failed to see reality and consequences...

      Commenter
      Light on the Hill
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:43PM
  • Oh noes! With Gillards deceit reversed how will inner city lefties be able to kid themselves we're saving the planet? Quick, someone invent the next big eco-scare for them to champion!.

    Commenter
    Tony H
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:34PM
    • Tax free tony lost the plot too!

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
    • lets start with those big balls of bovine byproduct you and the other cheering witchburners have thrown all over the town square

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:42PM
    • I for one will be laughing when the rest of the world puts tariffs on high polluting countries. In Germany they are already talking about it

      Commenter
      Gerwin
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:46PM
    • Yes Gerwin, its this aspect that will be very hard to ignore , let alone lie about .
      When and if the international community starts to treat high polluting countries with penalties for their failure to address their inadequacies a la higher tariffs etc, there will be a lot of explaining to do, or so youd think.
      Given this government couldnt lie straight in bed one could assume any forthcoming explanations will be yet more lies and distortions of the truth.
      I dont think " plant more trees" will cut it somehow.
      Though it seems to with the simpleminded here.

      Commenter
      mirrorsofsmoke
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:58PM
    • Tariffs work both ways, if the Germans want to have a tariff war that's fine. They sell a lot of cars here, we sell very little to them. The only people complaining will be the boards of BMW. VW, Mercedes, Porshe etc. Bring it on! We can call our tariff on their goods an "Eco-stupidity lefty-socialist wealth redistribution reversal tariff".

      Commenter
      Tony H
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:16PM
  • SHAME on the government all those who voted for them. SHAME on the new senators. SHAME on all of you who have put the $550 a year that you will SUPPOSEDLY get back ahead of the future of this planet. It is disgusting. I hope you are all so proud. Make sure you tell ALL you tell your children you support this so that in future they can hang their heads in shame that their parents/grandparents were instrumental in this shortsighted greedy decision.

    Commenter
    mjg
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
    • ++++1

      Commenter
      Sad Day
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:07PM
  • Its alright the fights on. Let's draw a line in the sand with this old, ideological, backward-thinking LNP mob.

    I have no respect for mendacious Abbott as hes diminished our democracy and is quite happy to damage Australians, our economy & environment for self-interest and power.

    One of the most worrying aspects is how our parliament and senate are full of uninformed, poorly educated dills who are unable to make intelligent decisions for our future based on the truth rather than political slogans.

    Climate change is real - we are the first country to reverse action on climate change. We are heading towards disaster.

    Don't forget Abbott is the old guy that voted against stem cell research, stymied asbestos victims receiving reparation, voted against plain-packaging of cigarettes knowing it was working by reducing deaths & stopping young people taking up smoking.

    Australians need long term action on climate change - we all need to act now.

    Shame on Abbotts dangerous mob who will gloat & laugh their heads off as our land burns and shame on our irresponsible msm.

    2015 is going to be a very bad summer.

    Commenter
    punch
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:32PM
    • punch - you & WW should get a job as meteorologists. You both are clear on what the climate will be doing in a few years time, whereas the current meteorologists we have can't even get their predictions right past a week. I know it wasn't you but I'm sure we were told at the start of the year that we wouldn't even have a snow season this year? How's that prediction going?

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:42PM
    • That is the difference between a meteorologist and a climatologist. A meteorologist deals with the weather; a climatologist deals with the climate.

      The fact that you don't know the difference says everything about the ignorance of the denialists.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      glad to be back with the lamb roast
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:12PM
  • What a spectacular achievement for Mr Abbott. 6 years in opposition and 10 months in government and he has managed to remove a levy on polluters. Extraordinary progress. I look forward to another 7 years or so before he racks up a second achievement. That's progress! In the meantime we'll watch Clive get on with running the country. God or some other divine being help us all!

    Commenter
    Scott55
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:30PM
  • Next abolishing the CSIRO. They, the Coalition and friends, will have to stop at nothing now to keep people from asking serious questions about the world around them. It's like the middle ages. But wait, its 12:30. I'm of to lunch now, and to check my astrological chart for this week.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:29PM
  • Have any trees been planted yet? Will aussie temperatures now rocket up?

    Commenter
    Wally
    Location
    Flynn
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:29PM
    • According to recent media reports the NSW branch of the Liberal Party is giving farmers unrestricted access to chop down trees via a self assessment process i.e if you have axe or chainsaw or bulldozer you can chop. So I'm expecting Abbott/Hunt tree planting initiative to go the same way. "Axe the trees" to save the environment will be their new slogan.

      Commenter
      Scott55
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:30PM
  • Do not despair Bill and Christine cheer up, there are handkerchiefs in the mail for both of you,and Tony a cigar for you.

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:29PM
  • A sad day for Australia.
    The great big new tax campaign was the biggest con in Auttralian political campaigning.
    The promise of an extra $550 in voters pockets is such a joke but the gullible fell for it.
    The only way to really reduce energy bills is to go solar. My panels have been in action for 6 days and have had solar hot water for 8 years.
    We are now behind the rest of the world (except for India) in reducing carbon output.
    I have no allegiance to any political party but know common sense when I see it.
    Clive Palmer is a puppet for the Coaltion and is only interested in his own welfare.

    Commenter
    Robyn
    Location
    rural NSW
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:26PM
    • Other way round the Coalition is Clives puppet.

      Commenter
      Wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:34PM
  • Can someone please explain to me how I will save $550 a year.

    Answers on a postage stampl please.

    I remember prior to the cardon tax introduction. No-one and I mean no-one could articulate how the Australian public would be worse off. The reason is because they were not worse off.

    Commenter
    Pontoon
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:24PM
    • Pontoon

      The “Climate Institute chief executive reckons figures from the Energy Supply Association of Australia suggest carbon tax savings will only total between $80 and $200.”

      So, at best $200 x 8.4 million households for a total: $1.680 billion, or at worst $80 x 8.4 million households for $672 million. So he’s short changing householders by either $2.948 billion or $3.948 billion. On a per capita basis his savings are either 19 cents a day or 0.07 cents a day.

      To erode these figures further the Financial Review reports network companies are seeking further price rises.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:32PM
  • I for one am happy that this tax has gone as it was nothing but a policy to help Labor get into power. The Greens are need to go back to hugging tree and stay out of Federal politics. I am not convinced that the science on climate change is complete as we only here the greenies and unemployed tree huggers bleating about it.

    Commenter
    Kim
    Location
    Balcatta
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:24PM
    • Kim: may I suggest that an education is your more pressing concern. After that you will know how to do research which will highlight the consensus on the science of climate change and also what other countries are doing about reducing emissions. Australia has taken a great step backward, a fact that you would be aware of if you actually read up on the subject.

      Commenter
      RobE
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:36PM
    • ... Such as thousands of scientists, including Nobel price winners across the fields. Its amazing how many intellectual giants like you call Australia home.

      Commenter
      Gerwin
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:36PM
    • So all of those wind turbines and solar panel are a figment of your imagination right?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:41PM
    • True what would 97% of Climate Scientists know he have researched for years know over the 3% and those well informed shock jocks and Andrew Bolts of the world, what would the endangered species who are struggling to survive climate change know,or rather those studying these species and what's put them at risk

      Commenter
      Jessica
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:47PM
    • Kim, Labor don't seem to be unemployed treehuggers and they're sold on the science.

      What you've got is a government that is working to remove funding from key scientific institutions instead of listening to them.

      But, hey. At least you'll get your $550 eh? Let me know how that works out for you.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:48PM
  • Christine Milne is the most outstanding member of the Greens. In her time in parliament we have seen her block and ETS and preside over the abolition of the world's biggest carbon tax. Thanks Christine from a grateful nation!

    Commenter
    Nulla
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:22PM
    • The world's biggest carbon tax? Well aren't you the gullible one? The fact is Australia pays the 5th lowest amount on carbon. Oh dear does the truth surprise you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
    • Really? Please explain how Christine's voting capacity in either both houses can actually have the momentum to influence Labor and the Coalition? I am all ears.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:47PM
    • Pen - and now we are the bottom with 0 dollars. Isn't that great. The Greens - no longer have any relevance :)

      Commenter
      Next Mini Ice Age
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:02PM
    • You're all ears and no brains Pen. Well no need to worry about fifth place any more, the carbon tax is gone and Australia is liberated from the tyrannical grasp of Gaia worship.

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:07PM
  • Well done Tony.
    You are the man.
    We are actually greener w/o the BLACK Carbon Tax.

    Commenter
    Quoc Vu
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:20PM
  • 11.39am: An email? From Abbott? Nope..... (hang on, he*s on my NSFW list)

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:20PM
  • The light at the end of the tunnel is that this decision will hopefully see the end of Abbottism in 2016. Abbott will now have to face the wrath of the international community which is spending tens of billions of dollars every year on fighting climate change. Our exporters will be the first to pay the price for this inanity, which means we will all pay the price for it.

    There are no $550 savings and there never was, as I explained recently the savings are so miniscule they will have nil effect and are basically nothing more than another Abbott scam. The scam is telling of the incompetence of 39 senators including PUP senators. They have agreed to rob Australian’s and future Australians of their birth right: a clean and safe environment. We have in the senate 39 who care not.

    I may not be alive for the next senate election, so I tell you now, do not forget this betrayal of you, your children and their children.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:19PM
    • You ended your comment on a sad note Pen. I hope you make the next senate election

      Commenter
      Wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:31PM
    • Yes, it is a betrayal Pen.
      Trust your health is OK, look after yourself.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:08PM
    • Pen, hang on in there mate, plenty of fire left in that belly of yours. Election comes and election goes and we're still here I've endured 11 years of Howard I will survive a few years of Abbott no sweat. Take it one day at a time and when the tide of change comes it will sweep it all away.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
  • This is the next disaster the Liberals are going to inflict on us to increase our international shame. The plain packaging laws were a Labor policy fiercely opposed by the Liberals. "They won't work" they said on behalf of their mates in Big Tobacco. But the policy obviously has worked in reducing smoking and is being used as a model by other countries. But given the Liberals intention to unwind all of Labor's initiatives, whether they work or not, and the fact that the Liberals are still taking donations from tobacco companies, you have to wonder how long it will be before Australia takes yet another backward step as we are being forced to do with the carbon and mining taxes. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/plunge-in-smoking-attributed-to-plain-packaging-20140716-ztqht.html

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:18PM
  • Sad day when we dont have ANY action on climate change..so very sad.And the polluters keep on pollutin.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Ballina
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:17PM
  • Well done Government!!!! RIP the economy handbrake tax.

    Commenter
    Octi
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:16PM
    • Did Joe resign?

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:34PM
    • How does 0.04% of GDP, which the full amount of the carbon tax equate with an handbrake. Do you really understand what you are stating? I think not.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:37PM
    • Octi
      No, they repealed the Carbon Tax.
      Abbott and Co are still there, so the economic handbrake is still in place.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
  • This is a dark day in Australian history - the Coalition will be remembered as villains on this day. And when their fictitious claims of $550 average back to taxpayers never materialises - this coupled with their massive amount of lies during the last election will ensure their damaging childish incompetent management of the country is limited to 2016 when labor will return to office to start the repair job of this damage.

    Commenter
    Kristian
    Location
    Ulverstone
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
  • Stop The Boats - tick

    Kill the tax - tick

    Nothing wrong with a 3 word slogan. Finally a government that actually does what it said it would do - something Kevin and Julia never understood. Seeing is believing, whereas they thought seeming was believing.

    Next!!

    And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

    Commenter
    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Location
    John 3:16
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
    • And countdown to next election, tick, tick, tick

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:28PM
    • Stone Cold, do as they say? Would you care to comment on the following election promises or have you given yourself one stunner too many.
      * No cuts to health
      * No cuts to pensions
      * Unity ticket on Gonski
      * Open honest government
      * No cuts to education
      * No new taxes
      * No tax increases.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where lies prevail over commonsense.
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:32PM
    • Stone Cold, do as they say? Would you care to comment on the following election promises or have you given yourself one stunner too many.
      * No cuts to health WHAT?? The last budget I saw shows an increase in health spending over the forward estimates. Not sure what document you looked at.
      * No cuts to pensions WHAT?? The last budget I saw no reduction in pensions - pensions still go up.
      * Unity ticket on Gonski WHAT?? Funding over the forward estimates is the same as what Labour had in their forward estimates. Are you lying now?
      * Open honest government WHAT??
      * No cuts to education WHAT??
      * No new taxes WHAT??
      * No tax increases.WHAT??

      C'mon don't be so down beat Get Real. So Tony pulled out a big ol' can of whip ass and put the Greens/Labor alliance in its place.

      Live and let live I say. Let's go have a beer.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Eric Cartman
      Location
      South Park
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:00PM
    • * No cuts to health..There were none, he just didn't support the crazy borrowing of 50 Billion the ALP promised to try and remain in government.
      * No cuts to pensions...more redefined so those that deserve them get them
      * Unity ticket on Gonski....why?
      * Open honest government....Still hasn't stooped to the lows like the other lot
      * No cuts to education
      * No new taxes...ok I agree...but how do we pay the debt back??
      * No tax increases. Not sure LNP have...but bills need to be paid my friend

      CommenterGet Real
      LocationWhere lies prevail over commonsense.
      Date and timeJuly 17, 2014, 12:32PM

      Commenter
      GT
      Location
      Vic
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:08PM
    • The Boats haven't been stopped. Apparently the boats are being invaded in International waters.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
  • The world did not end when the Carbon Tax was introduced and unfortunately (for the Coalition), the world is not going to be better without the Carbon Tax.

    Commenter
    Eagerly awaiting my $550 cheque
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:14PM
  • The best thing about our all too brief brush with the carbon tax is that it concentrated the publics' mind on the electricity it used and the cost of that power. We have learned to be much more careful with its use so as to cut our power bills, we have looked for energy-efficiency stickers when buying new appliances, some of us have invested in roof-top solar and may never pay an electricity bill again. We will be better prepared next time around. And there will be a next time. International politics will demand it.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:14PM
  • All Abbott, the Government and the new senators can say is that the end of the carbon tax will save families $x on their power bills. Was that the purpose of the carbon price? Was it just a Labor/Greens scheme to increase electricity prices for households, as these fools seems to imply? Your average punter is surely not so ignorant and selfish to swallow this rubbish. Surely any reasonable, informed person would think that even $550 a year (an inflated figure in any case) was worth paying for Australia to transition to clean energy and be part of the international effort required to prevent dangerous global warming.
    Dismantling the best mechanism to deal with carbon emissions is a grossly irresponsible act. Abbott the wrecker is condemned utterly.

    Commenter
    Robusto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:12PM
    • One of the biggest issues with the tax was that its effect was largely hidden as it worked its way through the supply chain (electricity, fuel, refrigeration etc etc). It was an insidious tax that was difficult to quantify.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
    • To think we as a Nation have devolved into a species more concerned over a few $ than being proactive on CC.
      The PoC was designed on the principle to act as an incentive to reduce our emissions.
      I guarantee that people have been so hoodwinked they'll start using more filthy coal and will see a further increase in power bills, in addition to the proposed new tariffs.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:19PM
    • You're too late, save your logic for the next election - and make sure we put more effort into convincing the Australians to vote for it next time.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:21PM
  • Sad day, not done in my name. I'll go off-grid in Sydney to do my lifting.

    Commenter
    Bill V
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:12PM
    • Go for it, the feeling is amazing.
      Been "off grid" for twenty years, still get a buzz from doing so.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:21PM
  • A very dark day for Australia indeed.

    Commenter
    nickster
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:08PM
  • What repetitive, dumb and Boring three word slogan will our charismatic leader come up with now? Awaiting with no anticipation.

    Commenter
    polym
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:07PM
    • WIN, WIN & WIN.

      Commenter
      The Tory
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:19PM
    • Election Starts Now.

      Commenter
      Sarah of Carnegie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
  • 'Its been a hard day's night, and I've been working like a dog.' Hard work has finally paid off, and time to kick back with a celebratory cigar!

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:07PM
    • You do know the best cigars are from communist Cuba?

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:19PM
    • Well deserved!! Keep fighting the good fight Hacka.

      Commenter
      Octi
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:19PM
    • .....some work hard......some work smart.....

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach (exploding cigars)
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:22PM
    • I should have known better you'd come up with a line like that @H. I'm down, I'm really down.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:31PM
    • Yeah, you can go and join Joe, and Cormann and all of you Liberals who look down on the masses with disdain, and pour even more filthy pollution into the air.
      You and people like you are a disgrace to humanity.

      Commenter
      glenncharles
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:40PM
    • According to the question posed, 66% of fairfax correspondents are 'angry'.

      So a job well done but your employer might ask whether your trolling is money well spent if 2/3 of the readership disagree with you.

      Commenter
      Pete
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:04PM
    • Champers is in order but no cigar.

      Good to see an imposter helping to celebrate though.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:12PM
  • Awesome, my bills wont be much now; wont they? Because if they dont come down then the PUP and Tony Abbott will have to fall on their swords. I wont judge this government until I open the next set of bills, if they haven't come down there is going hell to pay.

    Commenter
    Trenno
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
  • So now the budget emergency belongs to the Liberals. After all, they are the ones repealing taxes now.
    Thankfully, they will have a plan to recover the revenue..... won't they?

    Commenter
    Steve
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
    • The Libs said that they would keep the compensation for the carbon tax given by way of tax cuts and pension/benefit increases. But they really intend to claw that back by all of the cuts to families contained in the last Budget. So to save you a mythical $550 carbon tax is going to cost the average family $3,000 to $6,000.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:21PM
  • In Memorian to Carbon Tax

    Can we love this world beyond our death?
    To keep close to our Nature’s heart
    A wilderness of sacred heritage
    A borrowed land of cherish dreams
    Bound through the woven web of life
    Yet this Abbott man stands at the grave
    A Prime Minister of shameless dogma
    Exploits democracy with fearless mean
    To Palmer he concedes, To us demeans
    One policy, one Carbon Tax repealed
    The fate of climate warriors remains

    Our land amidst the ocean shores
    The sparkling desert waves of heat
    Its borderless awesome magnificence
    Has no voice of self-defence, lies bare
    For beasts of Senators to vote it dead
    Its beauty a commodity worth a dollar
    A mere $550 savings of electricity
    A missing $100 leg of lamb in jest
    A chuckling Senate screams defeat
    To Gillard born a policy of hope
    Palmer killed it off to save a cent

    Commenter
    Postgirl
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:05PM
  • When can we expect to see a reduction in the price not only for energy but everything else we purchase that incurred a hefty increase due to the carbon tax. I can assure Hockey and Abbott that they will hear from me if it doesn't occur.

    Commenter
    ICSBSS
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:04PM
  • Well done to the Abbott government for repealing the unfair Carbon Tax. No more paying for imaginary issues!

    Commenter
    Jenny
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:02PM
    • Yes @Jenny, it's a clear colorless odourless gas, what harm could it possibly do?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
  • Its a shame that I don't live in the Adelaide electorate of the Tory MP - I already have advice from Energy Australia in NSW telling me how much the price of gas and electricity is going up by. Jsut another Lieberal Party con.

    Commenter
    Blue Tie Lies
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
  • As Abbott and his cronies seem to be in the mood for scrapping toxic taxes why dont they scrap the GST while the upper house is sitting!!!

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
  • Emmission accomplished - Greens looking more disturbed than usual - well done abbott!

    Commenter
    Sabrina
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:00PM
  • Today, Christine Milne became irrelevant to the Australian political scene. She refers to scientists and the climate science. Yes, she refers to the work of the IPCC, which only looks at anthropogenic global warming. It ignores the overwhelming body of scientific evidence relating to natural climate variability over hundreds of millions of years.

    Commenter
    Mervyn
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 12:00PM
    • You cant let facts get in the way of a good doom and gloom scenario. The Greens will cry crocodile tears and become a mere spectator in Australian Politics and the Climate will continue to change as it has done for billions of years. We have all seen the complete and utter stuff ups of the IPCC has made with their simplistic Settled Science that wasn't. the Greens for years prediction the end of the world as we know it but in truth nothing is happening except that Mother Nature is business as usual, funny that.

      Commenter
      thatmosis
      Location
      Isis Central
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:23PM
    • Now explain exactly when atmospheric Co2 increased by 27% in 59 years, Go ahead be my guest.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:26PM
    • Mervyn. Why don't you go and do some reading. The human race activity is having an artificial accelerating effect on the climate. So instead of changes taking place over thousands of years it will now take place over hundreds. It is now dramatic and will accelerate more.

      Commenter
      DissillusionedVoter
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:32PM
  • Yipee A Great Day for Australia ! Just listen to those zealots whinging & crying and now they want a reduction of up to 60% on 2000 levels, by 2030, stupidity at its worst. Its the end of the world as we know it according to the Greens. I bet you its not, the sun will come up tomorrow and the next day

    Commenter
    Brownie
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:59AM
  • Welcome to the new cane toad moment of Australian politics.

    Commenter
    gav1
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:59AM
  • I don't like the repeal but they did flag it ever so clearly before the election and no one can complain.

    Greens_ALP are irrelevant to the new Senate but Abbott has his just desserts ahead in this oddball Senate.

    Commenter
    dave 51
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:59AM
  • In Breaking News:

    Woolies have reported being flooded by hoards of sandal wearing shoppers with string shopping bags demanding to know where the cheap lamb cuts are.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Laughter - the revelation flutters
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Bigger laughs for Woolies as heir prices have just gone up and the Australian people have been duped.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Where slogans preside over commonsense.
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:23PM
    • The reason The Greens will always be hanging on to Labor's shirt tails is the average ordinary Australian isn't the witless 'bogan' most Greens believe them to be.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Beyond their reach impossible
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:38PM
    • SteveH
      Witless bogans are the people who voted for Tony against their own interests.
      Hopefully, the Greens and Labor will be able to rescue them after the next election if there is anything left of our economy.
      In the meantime, I'm sure Tony has some more tough medicine for them.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:07PM
    • Steve, thanks for proving the point, the arrogance of the politically 'aware' is that somehow they have some special knowledge others don't have.

      More fool them.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Another shadow flittering back and forth
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:18PM
  • Regulars on this page will recognise that I believe in the science and that I supported the carbon tax. While its demise is to be blamed on a toxic misinformation agenda by PM Abbott, the fact that we provided him with a way of attacking it (i.e. a tax) can be wholly slated to Christine Milne for not supporting an ETS when she had the chance. Her actions back in 2008/9 resulted in Australia not having a price on carbon for far too long and led inexorably to today's tragic events. Her actions show a complete lack of leadership and she should step down from the Greens as a result. Her position is untenable.

    Commenter
    RobE
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:57AM
    • My memory of the ETS the Greens rejected was that it was far too generous to polluters (e.g. lots of free permits) and there were many obstacles to ramping it up if the need for bigger emissions cuts arose. So the Greens were not opposed to the ETS cap and trade mechanism itself, just the particular, weak and compromised (at least, in their view) implementation that came before the Senate. In hindsight, it would have of course been better than nothing at all, which is what we have now. But who could have foreseen the ability of the mendacious Abbott to hoodwink the greedy, ignorant and resentful?

      Commenter
      Jack
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:43PM
    • The Greens have blood on their hands and thanks to them we lost 2 good progressive leaders- Malcomn Turnbull and Kevin Rudd. Well done Greens for undermining this opportunity espcially when Australia was onboard and in agreement with this policy. Lost all respect for the Greens and so has Australia. Resign Milne like Bob did.

      Commenter
      KK
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:53PM
  • SHAME SHAME SHAME ON THEM

    Commenter
    fair go
    Location
    forster, nsw
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:57AM
    • Alas, the Greens have no shame at all for the damage they do to this country.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:52PM
  • Emmission accomplished!
    Well done Abbott, The Greens look even more disturbed than usual !!

    Commenter
    Tabtha
    Location
    Melb.
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:56AM
    • This is not a laughing matter and something that you dont seem to know anything about.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Emission? Well done Tony? I THOUGHT he was up to something!

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach (Seminary secrets)
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:04PM
    • Until further notice alien seance evenings will not be running and Mung Bean Place restaurant is closed.

      Commenter
      Greened Off
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:08PM
    • @David D. Yes strangely appropriate. When it comes (sorry about that) to Tony Abbott these kinds of thought just, well, seem to spring forth.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
    • Pluto - a veritable SHOWER of little abbottisms..

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:38PM
  • Why do politicians insist on saying this is the will of the people. It is the will of the liberal party and some of those that voted for it. There are other who voted liberal however who did not cast their vote based on this policy and then there are all the others who didn't vote liberal. So the repeal of the carbon tax was likely the will of only a small portion of the Australian people. The last election was not a referendum on the Carbon Price (not tax) there were many other liberal policies presented to the electorate. please stop saying this is the will of the Australian people, its not!

    Commenter
    Jay
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:55AM
    • Really!!!!

      Commenter
      Jojar
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Absolutely!!!

      Commenter
      Josy
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
    • Sounds like you failed arithmetic at kindergarten level. What part of democracy don't you understand?

      Commenter
      nemises
      Location
      lalor
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:09PM
    • In a democracy we lose some and we win some - Today is Abbott's day, let's wait and see how the world react. It is perfectly OK, we'll try again, and next time we'll prevail. The climate change is here and it is not going anywhere fast.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:12PM
  • Oh how droll. Except, leaders of the opposition aren't subject to questions during question time

    Commenter
    stevek
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
  • @11.39. An email by the Prime Minister to all his supporters. Given the current state of the polls that would total maybe half a dozen at a rough guess.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • Interesting article on IA yesterday which proposes that given their ideological bent, that they in reality only represent ( benefit ) 5% of the population.
      The rest have been well and truly duped, in believing that they are better off under this regime.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:07PM
    • You must have missed the recent poll which showed 53% wanted it gone, 18% more than wanted it to stay. MIght seem like only half a dozen if you use a Greens calculator.

      Commenter
      Green with Hypocrisy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:17PM
    • I'm talking Government popularity mate. At the moment the Government is about as popular as an "illegal" in Western Sydney.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:31PM
  • All this concern with people “ashamed to be an Australian” and “the worst day ever for Australia” is a real concern to me. Something needs to be done. In a democracy what do we do regarding important matters.
    We ask the people.
    Hang on! We already did that last September.
    Of course Senator Milne will always contend though that only “she” knows best.

    Commenter
    Jojar
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • You seem to forget that the people were told a farrago of lies.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Sure, the people spoke last September. A largely uninformed populace which had been subjected to a sustained campaign of misinformation and propaganda about the carbon tax. Just because the people want it does not make it less stupid.

      Commenter
      Rich
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:05PM
  • The biggest scam in Australian history has come to an end. The toxic Carbon Tax is no more.

    Commenter
    Jim
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
  • The carbon tax is gone, good riddance to it, after the celebrations we (and fairfax) should all move on..

    Commenter
    ScottyOnHolidays
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:53AM
    • No, you see the children and their children are far too important than your self interest and greed.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:02PM
  • Now that the fully functioning and found to be working well Price on Carbon is Gone can I ask ... is Stupid the New Black?

    Commenter
    juileep
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:53AM
  • Before ti happens, can someone PLEASE explains the rationale behind removing the Mining Tax?

    I sent about 20 or so requests to Fairfax to ask them to get their reporters to get a response why this was a Coalition policy during the election, but no one dared touch the issue then. Why is that?

    I do not see why, when we are 'drowning in debt' (TA's words, not mine), that we are repealing a tax that would help the coffers.

    Please, someone, explain it to me. These idiots are running the country. Or as Alan Jones would squawk, 'ruining the joint'!

    Commenter
    Please Explain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
    • Simple - to encourage more investment into this country.

      Commenter
      Octi
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
    • The tax leads to sovereign risk (ie investors are not likely to put any new money into new projects)

      Commenter
      Next Mini Ice Age
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
  • Wow! - How clever! "Australia has become the first country in the world to abolish a price on carbon, with the Senate passing the Abbott government’s repeal bills.. ." - eleven and a half months before the fixed price was planned to go anyway. But what is really clever is replacing it with handouts to big polluters. Take their names for posterity!

    Commenter
    Bluepoint
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
    • Firstly, nothing has replaced it yet. maybe you need to understand what was actually passed today. Secondly, yes, take their names. Australia is indeed leading the world in sanity, and the future will be proud of those who took action today.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:07PM
  • Dear children and grand-children, sorry for the shambolic past 6 years of Green socialism, but sanity is slowly returning.

    Commenter
    Green with Hypocrisy
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Really? Socialism? A carbon price that was due to move to a market based ETS is socialism? That's a very long bow to draw.

      Commenter
      JLD
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
    • Hypocrisy, What??
      Sacrificing a market mechanism for a series of grants?
      That is sacrificing capitalism for socialism.
      In this case though, it is taxing the workers to provide welfare for the coal industry.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:57AM
    • Still check for reds under the beds mate?
      I'll use you as an example for my children and grand children of how ignorance and the anti science movement once hijacked a nation and threatened the future prosperity and health of their country..

      Commenter
      Look son, here's one
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • we are finally getting out country back after the shambles

      Commenter
      Count
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Yea. Except now they have no free education and no free health which their parents and grandparent did. Sorry for that.

      Commenter
      Mark
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:02PM
  • What an embarrassment. The country with the highest per capita emissions is the only one to ever have a carbon price and ditch it.

    When people realise that the Carbon tax wasn't even what was causing their electricity bills to increase, there will be a massive backlash.

    Commenter
    Scott
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:49AM
    • Highest capita is such a cop out comment... a country of 25 million people in a continent that provides countless tonnes of natural resources itself and the rest of the world is always going to be the highest per capita.... more alarmism and fact twisting to st your argument

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:56AM
    • The CT is finished, TA fulfilled his election promise, some of there lefties need to accept the will of the parliament who voted for the CT to finish & that's what has happened.. sorry but bad luck.. it's over !

      Commenter
      Strewth..
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
    • hodster
      No. The calculation of highest per capita is based on our production of CO2, not our export of it.
      Our biggest emissions come from power (so no surprise that the Carbon Tax was aimed at the power industry) and it was successful.
      Lies and fabrications can't change the facts.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:04PM
    • Strewth
      So what is the strategy now to reduce emissions?
      Now that the most effective and cheapest mechanism has been scrapped.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:08PM
    • @ steve... sorry if i wasnt clear enough but Australia is mining intensive country and we have 25 million people spread over a continent so inherently that is going to cause our per capita emissions to be a lot higher than elsewhere.. hence that statement is a misleading and alarmist. less you think that large scale mining doesnt create emissions?

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:20PM
  • PUP Senator Jacqui Lambie, sums it all up one down one to go. There is confirmation there was never ever intent on the behalf of the PUPs to have an ETS. They will just all sit around in Yellow claiming they were duded by Tony because he won't let them have an ETS. And Clive will cry all the way to the bank. That's politics for you...

    Commenter
    Both eyes open
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
  • RIP the carbon tax

    1 July 2012 - 17 July 2014
    746 days

    Your life was short but your political impact was large.

    In memory of J. Gillard (politically dec), K. Rudd (politically dec), B. Brown (politically dec).

    Survived by C. Milne

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Grab your carbonated wine to celebrate your victory.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Finally after 3 weeks sitting on these words, wow that was smooth from slick Tony hey Hacka!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • You certainly are in 'smug mode' today.

      Still no word on Direct Action, what is the Minister against the Environment doing?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:53AM
    • This marks the day when the Australian people chose to believe cash for comment shock jocks instead of experts.
      Unbelievable that people would choose to sacrifice their future for a three word slogan.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • You missed Malcolm Turnbull...conservatives love a history make-over.

      Commenter
      malcolm x
      Location
      blue mountains
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:56AM
    • You forgot the line.. * we will never stop hunting down those who cut short an idea whose time had come*

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:56AM
    • RIP Cormann, Hockey, Sinodinos and it took less than one year.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:56AM
    • davemac - well the good news is we can now start a proper debate on how to deal with climate change.

      All views welcome, even Labor. But not the Greens, who will never bring any sort of common sense to the discussion. Today's effort topped the lot - six degrees !

      I still can't believe the comments here from people who think that the carbon tax was the only way to deal with climate change. Go back, read some books, read some reports, then come back to the table.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
    • Your celebrations may be short lived Hacka. Nobody believes that there will be a $550 a year saving. Nobody believes that all of a sudden small business will revive, that unemployment will drop, that Whyalla will bloom.
      It was all a myth.....
      Unfortunately with no sensible alternative to tackle the polluters.
      Again Hacka defending the indefensible.......

      Commenter
      ASK
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:28PM
    • @H If only we could have that debate - your mob aren't interested and are in the pockets of the coal lobby. ETS is coming my friend, just a question of when.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:39PM
    • davemac - if the rest of the world start talking about an ETS, then we should too.

      But there's no sign of it on any scale as yet.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:14PM
    • @H The momentum is building....but a lot of countries are saying the same thing - we'll move when [insert country name] does.

      It's probably like when you first met @MrsH (or @MrH, not that there's anything wrong with that) - if neither of you made the first move, where would you be?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:27PM
    • She's Dame H of course, davemac.

      When we're not penalised through higher costs when compared to our major trading partners - the US, China, South Korea, Japan and India - that will the time an ETS might be discussed.

      In other words, when they start talking about implementing nation wide versions at a similar price.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:16PM
  • What do I do if I don't get my 550 a year in savings. Is there a complaints process

    Commenter
    550
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:46AM
    • Yes - vote accordingly at the next election.

      Commenter
      RobE
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • It's called the 2016 election, kick this mob out!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • There certainly is. It's being prepared right now in a church, scout, clubroom near you. You may have to wait about two years but you will get your chance and opportunity. So when it comes USE IT WISELY!

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • Your on your own.......

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
    • Bring on the next election I'm sure the 550 will never appear

      Commenter
      550
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:59AM
  • Thank you Prime Minister - finally we are rid of this stupid useless plague of a tax which did nothing more than assault our pockets! Well done & congratulations to all the independent senators who have taken a stand against the unionists and socialists that are the modern day Labor/Green parties.

    Commenter
    citizens rule
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • How about your compensation? You want to keep it regardless?

      Commenter
      DrPhil
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
  • Hallelujah. Sanity prevails. Now can we have some sensible solutions to managing the effects of climate change?

    Commenter
    There Must be a Better Way
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • Please don't tell us you think Direct Action is a "Real Solution"? Yes about as real as the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy!

      Commenter
      Baby out with the bath water
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
  • carbon tax is gone.... and the lefts messiah supported it... thanks al gore....
    how embarrassing for the left that there high priest of there religion backed palmer and abbott....

    Commenter
    divided australia
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • How embarrassing alright- " their ".

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
    • all right- not alright

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:49PM
  • There is no proof or policing that the savings will be passed on. This isa proven fact from the committee process.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:44AM
  • I hope Abbotts supporters keep that email re the 550 dollars .
    As if that doesnt eventuate this will come back to bite him on the ass like nothing else.
    I suppose the problem is, he didnt actually "write it down on paper" so its perhaps not a solid gold commitment, is it?

    Commenter
    mirrorsofsmoke
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:44AM
  • I thank the Prime Minister, Mr Turnbull, for his question. The Labor party makes no apologies for planning for the betterment of all Australians. Climate change is a real phenomenon and any government that cares about the future of this country will establish policies that seek to reduce its impact. All economic evidence confirms if we don't act now to reduce climate changes the future costs associated with mitigating climate effects will only be higher, far higher than the cost of taking action now. That is what you have delivered for the Australian people. You have passed the burden onto future generations.
    That is why so many counties have progressed the implementation of a price on carbon in their economies ever since the dark day this current government waded into an ocean of ignorance.
    The hypocrisy that this Government, great supporters of the market that they are, don't believe a market based solution is the best mechanism for addressing these impacts, and that Government can do it better, just shows they don't accept the science or the economics.
    This Liberal and National parties just prove - you can't be any good at government when you fundamentally don't believe in it.

    Commenter
    Marty
    Location
    Earth
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:44AM
  • All those people expecting to be $550 better off should hold their breath until it materialises. Happy waiting.

    Commenter
    Both eyes open
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:43AM
  • It's time to introduce a legislation that prevents an incoming government to reversing legislation introduced by the previous government. Ie repealing legislation is only possible after 4 years unless a referendum is held the people decide.

    The amount of money and time the Australian government waste on this garbage is insane and needs to stop.

    Imagine if you'd run a company that way.

    Commenter
    steve
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:42AM
  • You can totally understand why funding for ARENA must go:

    Waste of money #1:

    Grant of $66.46 million given to Ocean Power Technologies (Australasia) Pty Ltd seeking to develop a wave power station off the coast of Victoria near the city of Portland. Bill Shorten on Monday said this was the very kind of project the Australian Renewable Energy Agency had to fund with our dollars.

    Three days later, this news:

    Plans to build the world’s largest wave power project in Portland have been scrapped. Too hard apparently. No money coming back.

    Waste of money #2:

    A renewable energy company which received almost $5 million in federal grants has been put into administration… The target of most of the funding – the Oceanlinx 1MW Commercial Wave Energy Demonstrator, based in South Australia - sank last month and remains visible offshore at Carrickalina.

    In July 2012 Oceanlinx received just under $4 million dollars in funding from the Emerging Renewables Program (ERP). The program was administered by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) to support the development of renewable energy technologies.

    Warmists insisting we need more of this kind of taxpayer-subsidised thing to pretend to stop a warming that actually stopped 16 years ago.

    I can think of better ways that the taxes I pay could be distributed.

    And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

    Commenter
    Stone Cold Steve Austin
    Location
    John 3:16
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:41AM
    • No scientific research is 100% guaranteed to produce results. Take pretty much any area of research, and you could point to 3 examples of public money being used and the project cancelled. Does that mean we should stop performing any scientific research and be happy with our current level of technology in all areas?

      Commenter
      Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • So stone cold, do you have any scientic proof that warming stopped 16 years ago? Are you a scientist that has specialised in this field? or is this just your opinion. I believe evidence and facts over rule ones opinion.
      As to funding renewables and how wasteful it is. Going by that stance taxpayers shouldn't be subsidising fuel for mining companies let alone electricity. Believe it or not but mining companies pay 1/3 less for electricity per kW/h than the average domestic customer. How do I know this....I work for a Electricity Distributor. Before you say " but they're a major employer".....Bunnings employes more people as a company than all the mines in Australia. So the millions you complain about for being giving to renewables pales in comparision to the millions the mining industry recieve through subsidies. Surely Mining companies can stand on there own two feet, especially if they're foreign owned. That's my argument according to fact.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
  • So this repeal is going to save a family an ' average' of $550 a year. Or about $1.50 a day.
    Hear hear!

    Commenter
    Dee
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:40AM
  • I did warn you about Clive Palmer.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:40AM
    • You did. And I will add Jacqui Lambie as one to watch. Shoot from the hip type of person. Shoot first ask questions later. She's got the Clive bug too. Loves those door stops. Thinks that the whole country is awaiting her every word. Hold on, that's right she sounds like Cory Bernardi. Must be all the bad air coming from the air conditioning system at PUP House.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:46AM
    • Pen we should start a campaign to address Clive as the Prime Minister. He has more power than Abbott. Hacker will get the hackles up.

      Commenter
      wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
  • "Good Planets are hard to find".
    And this one just got treated with further contempt.
    No winners here, Luddites rule.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
  • If Labor and Greens are serious about protecting the future of Australians and their kids and grandkids, then they would work towards balancing the budget and payoff the Australian debt.

    But these jokers have no credibility when they insist Australia goes on big deficits and spends money it does not have and then they rant on about Australia's future.

    Labor/Greens have simply credibility.

    Commenter
    Regh
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:38AM
    • No regh, it will be the changing climate, and the famines, floods, droughts and the consequential movement of people that results is the legacy we are leaving our children.

      The debt is nothing in comparison, especially once you strip away Smokin' Joe's utterly fraudulent numbers.

      I hope you are not too old so that you are still around to cop the abuse from your grandkids for the small-minded approach that you and your set took to what is the greatest challenge (moral and otherwise) in our time.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • Regh, I'm sure the story would be different if it were the Fiberals who spent the surplus to protect Australia from the GFC.

      The deficit lies we keep hearing repeated by the Fib supporters does not make them true.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • @Regh the repeal of the carbon tax just removed $7bn from the Budget receipts or to put it another way just blew out the deficit by $7bn. You want the Budget fixed but you applaud measures that make the situation worse. Do you really understand what just happened.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
    • Labor and Greens are serious about protecting the future of the planet as well as its inhabitants.
      So people should only spend money they have. So you don't have a mortgage Regh? Have never borrowed to buy something.
      But at least your post finished with a correct statement: "Labor/Greens have simply credibility" unlike those on the speaker's right.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
    • There is no budget crisis in the short to medium term. After this, yes there is work to do. This budget, and the scrapping of the ETS is a free kink for the big end of town "Leaners". It does not help the bottom 90% of lifters that the big end leaners live off

      Commenter
      Geoff Thomas
      Location
      The Oaks
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:54AM
  • I like the sound of things - but will it materialise in a one-term Coalition government? No harm in wishing

    Commenter
    guwa
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:37AM
  • On the world stage a very embarrassing moment. But the one good thing to come from it is the knowledge that this embarrassing moment and the ideology and reasons that fueled it will always, always be connected with the name Tony Abbott.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:37AM
    • Pluto - it is embarassing...we have made front page of BBC online as brking news. http://www.bbc.com/
      Maybe this Government should do something about that biased broadcaster called the BBC.

      I am utterly embarrassed and await the lampooning by the American comdians...for them to focus on our PM speaks volumes.

      Neolithic.

      Commenter
      Orion
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
    • @Orion. Thanks for reminding me how small the world has become due to modern technology. Yes, we have come far since the Neolithic era, though, as you point out, some people are yet to catch up. I will check out BBC News immediately.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:03PM
    • Moral hi ground as usual. I guess the minor fact that our country is the worlds biggest coal exporter to other nations who presumably burn the stuff, is irrelevant?

      Commenter
      nemises
      Location
      lalor
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:05PM
    • What we need now is a private members bill to repeal Tony Abbott.

      History is already catching up with Abbott and will judge him resoundingly as the worst and most destructive PM in our history.

      Commenter
      fitzy of
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:32PM
    • Totally agree; given that he has no alternative Climate Change action actually "on the table", he has consigned himself to the annals of infamy....

      Commenter
      djpoh
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
    • Where exactly is this world stage judging us as there are many other countries they need to judge well before us!!

      Commenter
      Some People
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:36PM
    • Well said.

      Commenter
      TVB
      Location
      Rozelle
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:48PM
    • At least Tony Abbott can "honestly" say, "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

      Commenter
      Bernie Gee
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:52PM
    • Grow up, this was a tax that was introduced against the vote of the public.

      I will be glad my energy bills are going to reduce by 20%

      I like many LNP voters didn't receive Julia's carbon tax rebate so ultimately it was people like me that were paying the carbon tax, not the companies and definitely not Labor voters.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:07PM
    • I completely agree. The world leading economists say that pricing carbon was good business. Electricity bills will not go down. This is a win for liberal ideology and a loss for our country and our future

      Commenter
      Dude
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:25PM
  • We got ahead of the world briefly. But the Prime Minister of very small outlook for this country has brought us back to where he thinks we belong. Running a corner grocery shop in the world economy.

    Maybe he thinks that if he can drag Australia down below the rest of the western world, the so-called economic migrants will take their boats elsewhere.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:37AM
    • Running ahead of the world in economic self destruction which is where Labor/Greens were taking you along.

      Commenter
      Regh
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:41AM
    • The carbon price is repealed and Regh makes an appearance to have his moment of glory. All the squaddies will be out in force today. Live it up while you can - Abbott's demise is nigh.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:46AM
    • BC,

      Love to see you lefties squirming in pain and agony.

      Commenter
      Regh
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:41PM
    • Hahahaaa BC,

      Abbott's time is neigh, yep and for another three years + 2 terms buddy!!

      Commenter
      Better get used to it :)
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:38PM
    • Pain and agony - nup, celebrating the biggest own goal in the history of Australian politics.

      What happens when absolutely NOTHING happens in consequence of the carbon price repeal?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      glad to be back with the lamb roast
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:10PM
  • I wonder if Australia's ambassador to the UN will emulate all the coalitions chest thrusting/beating, fist pumping and back slapping at next UN meeting....

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    Inner City
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:36AM
    • Unlikely, when TA met Obama he even said the the planned fuel excise increase was a form of a carbon tax....go figure. They adapt the message to their audience then go and do whatever they like.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:40AM
  • 11.21am tweet by Dennis Jensen. He needs to be held to account for such stupid statements. If he was a business the ACCC would ask him for his evidence!! There is NO WAY the average household will benefit $550. Lucky if its $200 and with the cost of Gas set to double once priced on world markets people are going to say "what was all the fuss about the CT"?

    Commenter
    G force
    Location
    syd
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:35AM
  • What is the catch? Will this tax be replaced with another one?

    At the end of the day, does that mean we will have to pay more ???

    Commenter
    Heman Bill
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:34AM
  • Who can we thank for spreading the outrageous propaganda against the Carbon Tax? The Australian people have been hoodwinked once again. Shameful, embarrassing and just plain wrong. I hope we've learned something here...

    Commenter
    Alpheus Williams
    Location
    Red Rock
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
    • Murdock, Jones,Bolt & co. Tony was just the mouth piece.

      Commenter
      wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:40AM
  • This is a sad day for Australia. Not because the carbon tax was repealed, but because the government did hasty grubby deals with an MP who has a conflict of interest on the carbon tax, in order to get it repealed.

    Parliament for sale. Come and get your parliament. Legislation for a reasonable price. Yes folks step inside for some fantastic specials on legislation.

    Commenter
    Sensible Centre
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
  • Good, the carbon tax is gone. Labor's pandering to the Greenies is a disgrace.

    Commenter
    Ace
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
    • Disagree Ace. Labor and the Greens are pandering to common sense, the environment and science. The LNP are pandering to the Fossil Fuel Corporations, Rupert, Gina, the IPA and not science, not the environment and not common sense.

      Commenter
      Alpheus Williams
      Location
      Red Rock
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:48AM
  • Hooray and good riddance to this deceitful tax

    Commenter
    Yippee
    Location
    Turner
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:32AM
  • And the ability of mankind to reject evidence in favour of what they desperately want to believe has triumphed.

    The compensation stays, revenue goes down, the consumer is no better off as the companies line up to declare that they 'absorbed the impact of the tax in the first place'.

    It takes a special kind of competence to damage the environment and the budget at the same time.

    Commenter
    JLD
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:32AM
    • +1

      Commenter
      Livvy | Mosman
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:45AM
  • How long before the LNP use their so called budget emergency to wiggle their way out of implementing their direct act policy farce? Leaving Australia with no action on climate change.

    Commenter
    Tim
    Location
    Inner City
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:32AM
  • I think we should erect a stone monolith. Carve into it the names of the parliamentarians that voted to abolish the carbon price. That way all future Australians will be able to see who it was that failed to act on climate change. We can't let them be forgotten.

    Commenter
    Crumpleton
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:31AM
  • Today we see a tax that makes no real contribution to the reduction of so called "Global Warming" finally dismissed. To think the average person thinks an insignificant tax in a country of only 20 odd million people will have any impact on the world which has an estimated population of 7 billion. Absolutely laughable. IPCC scientist Professor Roger Jones says Labor’s carbon tax would at best cut the world’s expected temperature in 2100 by only 0.0038 degrees. AT BEST we know what that means!!!

    Commenter
    The Patriot
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:31AM
    • Explain how one country can reduce the world's atmospheric temperature when atmospheric temperatures are driven by ocean climate. Your stupidity is richly deserving of stupidity.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:38AM
  • The carbon tax is gone, great news for
    all of us, unless you are a blinded green.

    It will not return, the ALP will not introduce it either now that they have the noose removed from around their neck.

    The greens will be whringing their hands in despair today & I will enjoy watching their antics.

    Commenter
    Greg
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:31AM
    • You're right, Greg. ALP won't reintroduce it as the intention is for an ETS.

      Commenter
      Oliver More.
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
    • Apart from the symbolism of a political victory, which has shown itself already to be pyrrhic, why is it great news?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:40AM
    • Greg. You are a sad individual. Everyone is entitled to a point of view. Finding happiness because your POV is currently in vogue as opposed to someone elses's would indicate that happiness is very thin of the ground for you. I feel sorry for you.

      Commenter
      billsan
      Location
      Neverland
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Call it what you like Oliver, its just a play on words, a tax is a tax & it wont be back.

      Come back to me to debate the whole climate change suggestion when you have real evidence & history not just a moment in time so brief in the history of the plant that the evidence cannot be taken in any real form.

      Oh and by the way the evidence that has been relied upon so far to support the climate change arguement has been found to be wrong or change not occuring as it has been claimed.

      I know your mostly all left wing & green here but dont be sheepeople & look at the whole arguement on both sides more closely.

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Greg, not withstanding that you probably know very little about science in general and much less anything about scientific evidence, debating with someone as ignorant as you would be complete waste of time.

      Commenter
      DrPhil
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:15PM
    • Ahh, the responses of the minority left when theye proven wrong or have to confront any opinion that differs from their own, denounce, claim we are deniers or haters & then resort to personal attacks.

      Best you go back to your flock of sheepeople because the tide is turning against the left/greens. You can all whringe your hands together in dispair.

      So I am ingorant & sad, maybe so but I atleast can form my own opinion unlike the rubbish some of you carry on with
      & your selective & flawed science.

      Your comments say more about you than they do about me.

      Commenter
      Greg
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:47PM
  • i suppose abbott will say now that he's stopped the people smugglers, signed massive trade deals with our asian friends and returned hundreds of dollars to working families...but what has he done to promote a culture of life in this fair land, and why do they show so little interest in space exploration compared to china, russia and the uk.

    Commenter
    tyr
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:31AM
  • Yeah. Finally. I have been holding out on my shopping and can now go out to Woolies and Coles and buy my groceries cheaper. Actually looking forward to the mailman bringing in my power bill too! Looking out for that $500 saving. I'm holding my breath. Hope I can breathe soon when this happens.

    Commenter
    PaxParadox
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:30AM
  • so the tax is gone..... maybe its time to start looking at some real problems that exist here in Australia..... that distraction now should be left behind us until the next election.....

    Commenter
    divided australia
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:29AM
  • - First country repeal a carbon scheme...
    - Bringing back knights and dames
    - Caning
    - Piracy on the high seas
    Wow. I am so not proud to call myself Australian

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:28AM
  • It's a dark day in Australia's history. Our grandchildren and their children will look back at this day and wonder why we chose to leave them a world of environmental chaos.

    Commenter
    Jessica
    Location
    Mosman
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:28AM
    • its nice and sunny out in sydney. I suggest you take a stroll to balmoral beach and pocket the savings on your next electricity bill.. the money go round scheme under the name of carbon tax is dead buried and cremated.

      Commenter
      Count
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:35AM
    • But the squaddies don't see it that way, Jessica. To them it's not about what's good policy, it's about WINNING their pyrrhic victory. The facts never come into it - facts like the amount of carbon emissions did drop under the carbon price, and that the "$100 lamb roast" never did eventuate - and now all this froth and screaming about the supposed effect on "Australian families" that has distilled down to $550 per year - which will never be seen in any of the Aussie families' pockets. And they call the left loons - hilarious.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
    • 1,2,3,4 bush fires 5,6,7,8 bush fires 9,10 bush fires HA HA HA HA.....
      Good one "Count"

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      Inner City
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:42AM
  • Despite all the huffing and puffing by Labor & Green pollies and staffers on this blog over the past few days the will of the Australian people has been realised with the repeal of destructive carbon tax. Democracy at work!

    Commenter
    Pollie watcher
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:28AM
    • Indeed.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:32AM
    • And when there is no respite from the cost of living pressures families are under? What then?

      Another day, another lie is exposed.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:38AM
    • Yep - and just watch democracy at work in 2 years when life just gets worse and worse for the average Aussie and appalling for the poor.

      And nobody will have seen any benefit from the repeal of the carbon price but a small number of LNP donors.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
    • Will(y) of the Australian people? Wagged at an idea whose time is here? Very adult.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
    • What did it destroy?

      Commenter
      Marty
      Location
      Earth
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:46AM
  • A shameful day for Australia. The smiling faces of Abbott, Hockey, and Cormann show their greed. Their ability to put money above the health and future of our precious planet. It is also a reminder of the people of Australia who voted them in. They should all be ashamed of this day when there is no longer a price on polluting the atmosphere with CO2 and increasing global warming!

    Commenter
    Tony
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:26AM
  • Now let's see the Minister for Women explain how we are going to meet our targets. Or even more entertaining will be watching him try to explain his logic at International conferences.

    Commenter
    sashashev
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • Minister for Women? Meet targets? Probably in a bar. With a catchy 3 word slogan at the ready. But only after a hard day at the cutting edge of his day job with Aboriginal Affairs.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach (Mumbles , here to help)
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
  • Abbott has done it.

    No gloating twitter remarks from Bandt and Albo today?

    Commenter
    adrian
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • Done what? Invited scrutiny on his claims that the CT significantly impacted upon everyday prices for goods and services, yes.

      When prices don't come down another Abbott lie is exposed. He's done it all right and I hope he keeps on doing it.

      Commenter
      Peter Cain
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
    • Why gloat about Australia going backwards?

      Commenter
      Marty
      Location
      Earth
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
  • The Senate does not dwell on the moment.
    Ceaser has spoken. History has recorded the moment. What happened to the Roman empire.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • Not sure you know your history, the empire lasted 1500 years after Caesar died, and more than 500 years in the Western empire. It lives on in the civilizations of Europe today, all of which are successor states of the empire to a degree ,and the European diaspora worldwide. You are writing with Roman characters, living in Roman influenced architecture built with concrete (yes a roman invention). But I'd say in 1500 years the carbon tax won't be remembered except as a foot note in an unread book.

      Commenter
      Cut and paste like HRBA
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:38AM
    • Which Caesar, cut and paste? So, so quick to prove such a lack of knowledge.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:43AM
    • BC, he means Gaius Julius of course and is essentially right, the fall of Constantinople in 1453 marked the end of the Eastern Roman Empire.

      I'm afraid its back to school for you on Monday.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Laughter - the revelation flutters
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:55AM
    • Why Gaius Julius Caesar of course. Dictator of Rome, assassinated 44bc. Founder of the julio claudian dynasty of emperors, father by adoption of Augustus the first empreror, and of the empire that fell 476ad in he west and 1453 ad in the east. What's your next question.

      Commenter
      Cut and paste like HRBA
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:55AM
  • Another Greens La-La land policy is gone. Good riddance.

    Commenter
    Jojo
    Location
    Gladstone
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • @Jojo - Get Back to where you once belonged.

      Actually policy formulated by Labor, Greens and 2 independents who in my view were 2 of the best politicians ever to grace the hallowed halls.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
    • davemac, are the two independents you refer to the same ones who retired before the last election rather than face what would have been record swings against them in their electorates because of their support for policies such as the carbon tax?

      Commenter
      PBH
      Location
      Belrose
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:00PM
    • No, two blokes who actually put the good of the country ahead of their own interests. Rare these days and unheard of in the LN parties.

      Unclear whether they would have been voted out or not - I wish Windsor would have taken on Joyce.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:12PM
    • Windsor would have gotten belted along with Oakeshott, which is the reason they didn't run. If they were putting the country ahead of their own interests they would've had the courage of their convictions and faced their electorates. They didn't, end of story.

      Commenter
      PBH
      Location
      Belrose
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:48PM
  • Now the lies on cost of living are about to be exposed.

    Commenter
    Peter Cain
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:24AM
    • Can't wait to see the price of good and services plummet!

      Commenter
      Marty
      Location
      Earth
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:51AM
    • No lies - just greed will be introduced by the business sector. That includes our electricity providers. Watch our prices go up even further.

      Commenter
      J.G.
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:39PM
  • Well, there’s a surprise. Who’d have predicted that? A party that is ideologically blind to science, and beholden to the donations of companies that make money from polluting, repeals the only measure we have to reduce the environmental damage we are doing to our world. Another party, led and bankrolled by a polluting miner, faffed around for a couple of days pretending to be the Jolly Green Battler’s Friend, but in the end voted to protect his economic interests.

    Enjoy your champagne, cigars and group hugs, all you deliriously ecstatic right wing-nuts. Celebrate also that, if the world follows our glorious lead, the warmer climate will ensure a succession of high quality vintages in Reims and Epernay. Your Champagne supply is guaranteed!

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:23AM
    • Dear grape lover, Gigondas

      “The impact of climate change on wine production is becoming increasingly pronounced due to its lingering effects on the environment and the resulting repercussions. An increase in temperature has a profound effect on viticulture, and detrimental to the quality of the grapes as well as the vine. High temperatures in growing season additionally bring forward the harvest date to an even hotter month, resulting in lower quality wine grapes. The resulting increase in evaporation due to a rise in temperatures reduces the soil moisture in the long term.”

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:35AM
    • Pen, very true for most regions (in fact I think I wrote that). But in a couple of marginal regions (Germany, northern France, southern NZ, Tasmania) the colder climate has the vines on the edge of survival, resulting in smaller but, in comparitively warmer years, more intense and very high quality yields, particularly in a couple of varieties (pinot noir, chardonnay). Colder years in these regions produce poor, thin acidic wines.

      However, I wouldn't be planting too many new vines of any variety in the Barossa, Riverland or the Hunter right now. Nor in Spain, Italy, most of France, California...

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:52AM
  • A tragic day for Australia. However, this is the start of the end of Abbott I believe.

    Commenter
    sarWen
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:22AM
    • Agreed. Sad day for the world since we ultimately all breathe the same air. I do hope that that there is an upside to this act of financial and ecological irresponsibility, such as an increased focus of attention on getting it right again at some time in the not to distant future. Or maybe some self- examination by those lazy voters who believed the hype about how badly it would affect their hip pocket.

      Commenter
      annabella
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:35AM
    • Yes, Annabella,

      And even more so once they find that the promise $550 doesn't materialise. Duped again!!!

      Commenter
      sarwen
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:47AM
  • Oh to be a fly on the wall of any future International talks on the environment after today when Australia is in attendance.
    As reported in the Bangkok Post this week , Australia will be the first country in the world to repeal a carbon tax.

    You can lie all you like to your rusted on supporters but the rest of the world will watch on with utter contempt and disdain at this inept , shortsighted Government of Abbotts.

    Commenter
    mirrorsofsmoke
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:21AM
    • Doesn't sound like you have any idea of how governments around the world view this.

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:55PM
  • One of the saddest days in Australia's political history as Australia becomes the ONLY country in the world to have reversed an operational emissions trading scheme.

    Paraphrasing Derryn Hinch, shame, shame shame.

    Commenter
    Rick
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:20AM
    • It that case that's not what happened because in no sense was it an ETS , It was a TAX short and simple. If it was a true ETS the price of Carbon would have been 8 dollar not 24 and moving to 30 !!

      Commenter
      BigTedd
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:37AM
  • so it seems we cant talk about bigger issues than a socialized UN tax... no talking about regional instability, the radical islam problem, the far lefts hatred of democracy? is this what this has come too....? only left leaning discussion topics?

    Commenter
    divided australia
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:19AM
  • This is so sad - embarrassed to be Australian - this isn't the will of informed voters

    Commenter
    Josy
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:18AM
    • I think you will find that it is!...

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:21AM
    • Totally agree there. Australia needs to hang its head in shame.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:24AM
    • Maybe you should petition the Greens to promote a bill where they get to decide who should be allowed to vote. That seems to be their best shot at assuming the control they crave. Goodness knows, the 90% of people who didn't vote for them should not be allowed to have their say.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • What you are saying is most Australians are informed. Don't forget the little landslide last September.
      Be Happy!

      Commenter
      Bp13
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:26AM
    • @hodster - to repeal the CT: arguably!!! yes, but to replace it with nothing and tear down everything else related to clean energy initiatives, definitely NO

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:30AM
    • Puzzled - you say that like you think the Greens were the only ones against this abhorrent repeal.
      Labor was also against it. It's more than 10%, my friend.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:34AM
  • Who could have imagined that the Carbon Tax was going to be maintained?

    Commenter
    Hacker2014
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:17AM
    • Nobody, really( not in the face of furious hysteria from experts such as Abbott, Bolt, Jones &f Murdoch)...but more than a few million Australians know we need to have a cohesive scheme to drive down emission levels, such as a trading scheme.So far, none of the Grabbalitions Flim-Flam Fantasies cut the mustard.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:32AM
  • I am currently sitting in the back row at an international conference.
    Thank you for your excellent coverage, Judith Ireland.
    I am deeply ashamed to be Australian right now.

    Commenter
    Jacqjoy
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:17AM
    • +1

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:24AM
    • Just tell them you're a boat person who only arrived during the prior government.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:55AM
  • Yeeeeeee-Haaaaaaaa

    Commenter
    Matty
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:16AM
    • Throwing their hats in the air in Texas as we speak.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:21AM
  • The question has to be asked. The carbon tax raised $7bn in revenue for the gov't according to the Budget Papers. The consensus seems to be that consumers are expecting very little reduction in prices when the carbon tax is repealed. So who is keeping that $7bn. Wouldn't happen to be the power companies would it with their share prices going from strength to strength and o/seas companies falling over themselves to take our local companies over to get their hands on super profits. As o/seas ownership rises local tax collections from this sector will fall as profit-shifting is used to avoid local taxes.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:15AM
    • Mitch, This a very good question mate where is the money going?

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • That has been my question ever since it was introduced. I put it down to the former Labor party using the money to meet the shortfalls in their big spending spree.

      Commenter
      J.G.
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:37PM
  • Crack the champagne time !

    Come on Tony, give us those immrtal words:

    "There will be no carbon tax under a government i lead".

    The people's wish and an election promise - delivered.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • And soon enough there will be no government that he leads.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:18AM
    • Adding to perplexity, Abbotteer Hacka wants celebration bubbles with faster and increased global warming.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:19AM
    • About time. Hacka where is the party at?

      Commenter
      Piped Piper
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:20AM
    • It took 10 months to get one promise through. Yet it took days to break the first promise

      Commenter
      Vitas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:20AM
    • Let the countdown to the next election commence. Hey @H, when is 'Direct Action' likely to get the Libs attention?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:20AM
    • Certainly a promise fulfilled, Hacka, but I wouldn't call it the will of the people.
      Without checking, wasn't there at least 45% of the votes going to other parties?

      The election was not a referendum on Carbon Tax, it was a referendum on the poor internals of the Labor party.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:23AM
    • Well - I guess you Dancing Girls can drown my sorrows. 16.5 days to get a Bill passed - pretty poor showing.

      Commenter
      Dancing Girls
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:26AM
    • Pied Piper - that party is a Casa de Hacka, Canberra.

      It'll start later today, but don't rush - it will go for a week.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:29AM
    • I hope it was manufactured in Champagne, France, otherwise it will only be carbonated wine.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:33AM
  • Yaaaaaa
    Big business is free to pollute again.
    we should celebrate by burning a stack of car tyres.
    We should wind back restrictions on other pollution too, mercury in the water ? lead in the atmosphere ?

    Commenter
    Ted
    Location
    Hurstville
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • And in celebration I will be cooking my lamb roast in my lovely Victorian oven. Just put in a few old forest logs, paper and coal, this morning. Now I must do something about my cough.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:19AM
  • Tony Abbott stands before the B20 with flowers and chocolates, whispering sweet nothings in the ears of those they are beholden to.
    Elsewhere, the true unbelievers are ready to put the final nails in the coffin of Australia's gesture to save the world. It was a courageous gesture but perhaps a cost too large to bear. What is missing though is a proper alternative to the CT: an ETS. No, that won't do at all say the unbelievers. They think the poor old taxpayers should fork out their hard-earned money to pay the polluters to clean up their act.

    Commenter
    stevek
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:11AM
  • Brisbane ratepayers are in for a refund.
    Lord Mayor Graham Quirk has confirmed a portion of this year’s rates, attributed to the Federal carbon tax, will be returned when the controversial tax is repealed.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-rates-refund-when-carbon-tax-repealed-20140717-ztw0y.html#ixzz37gSddi1f

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:11AM
  • Lisa Singh gives new meaning to the overreach.

    Commenter
    brian
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:10AM
  • The ALP once again rejects the will of the people.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:09AM
    • Tony's lies have again successfully misled the Australian people.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • Actually I think the Green extremism and bias has lost the population.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:16AM
    • And once again the LNP reject irrefutable environmental scientific facts in favour of financial gain for big business.

      Commenter
      Jessica
      Location
      Mosman
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:17AM
  • Labor and Green Senators amaze me. They refer to the science and then refer to climate model projections of temperature. Climate models are not science. All this scaremongering by Labor and the Greens is ridiculous. China's CO2 emissions increases each week outweigh Australia's annual reduction in emissions of CO2.

    Commenter
    Mervyn
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:09AM
    • "Climate models are not science"
      Good one Mervyn. An oldie that needs to be consigned to the book of 101 Worst Denialist Jokes.
      If you aren't trying to have us believe that models are based on stuff someone has made up, tell us what climate modelling is based on?

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:16AM
  • "They don't want to face up to what is intergenerational theft."

    Hilarious comment coming from someone who won't even consider indexing the tax on fossil fuel as a means to reduce the public debt the next generation is going inherit.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    No one will notice later or feel sad
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:09AM
    • Smug screen name - but they WILL notice when the promised savings are shown to be just another lie. Live your hubris well, for it will be fleeting.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:16AM
    • I never worry about personas, they all come and go, but the intellectual confusion of The Greens will undoubtably out live the current leader.

      In The Green World they're all for public transport but they're against public roads.

      Go figure.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      A full moon shone around the shrine.
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:29AM
  • Thankfully, we have an honest Coalition rather than dishonest Labor. "There will be no carbon tax under a government that I lead". And now there isn't!

    Commenter
    Oh, really?
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • But I am determined to put a price on carbon. Finish the quote and it shows the Coalition to be the liars.

      Commenter
      Lacka
      Location
      intelligence
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • @Lacka, I remember seeing and hearing JG say that on TV but all available video has been edited to remove the last clause. There are websites highlighting that.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:20AM
    • Whoa, hang on there! Gillard was making it clear that she would not implement a price on carbon in the 2010-2013 electoral term. The day before the election, Swan called it "Liberal hysteria". So, to add the extra words, out of the true context of Gillard's interview, is to actually make the quotation misleading. In the context of the interview and the promise, the redacted comment is actually the true reflection of what she was promising. Yeah, I know you might hate that, but go and watch the interview.

      Commenter
      Oh, really?
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:36PM
  • Milne says:
    Parliament doesn't want to face up to the four to six degrees of warming that is the trajectory we are on as a planet.

    The 5th IPCC Assessment report says:

    THE global mean surface temperature change for the period 2016-2035 relative to 1986-2005 will likely be in the range of 0.3C to 0.7C ... Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed 1.5C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all ... scenarios except (one) ... and more likely than not to exceed 2C for (one other scenario) ...

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:05AM
    • And Puzzled...that is where the IPCC and Greens have come unstuck. By trying to skew opinion to their causes (some of them extreme...Himalayas will melt by 2035!!!) they have killed any chance of objective discussion.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • Averages mean averages they do apply to specific areas like temperature increases in India and Australia. Are you incapable of learning anything. Look up the Indian data, look up the Alaskan data, look up the increasing death numbers by increased temperatures.

      For goodness sake give your stupidity a rest.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:15AM
    • Pen

      I quote 2 sources. You call me stupid. That's pretty typical of the Greens type of argument... either agree or we go straight to character assassination.

      Every day you post numerous long comments claiming all sorts of things. For the most part you quote no source.

      In any case, the tax is dead.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:22AM
  • Stone Cold, yes I worked in a manufacturing operation and took care of my employees. The high Australian dollar was the chief culprit for manufacturing, along with higher labor costs relative to countries that had no labor or environmental protections in place. So do we chop wages for our own just so that owners can make a motza? I don't believe so.

    I also worked in banking for over 20 years which qualifies me to speak on it. If I was anti-bank, I wouldn't have spent my time there. My statements are based on observations and analysis of bank policies up to and during the GFC.

    While you might be right about banks holding massive amounts of superannuation, the temptation is there to push the envelope on investment risk- always has been, always will because higher returns means they can charge higher fees. And in the worst case, people's savings can be lost (CBA, anyone?).

    And yet, the bank lobby wants the Government to relax the FOFA as part of a coordinated strategy to return to the "Wild West" days of self- regulation. Self-regulation has never worked and it never will.

    When the banks begged for a government guarantee (and in the US, a bailout) both governments should have exacted a quid pro quo that the banks would re-hire those let go.

    These were not people who invented toxic derivatives or sold shonky investments to people who put their trust in them, these were ordinary people who needed to keep their jobs. Not one bank exec went to jail for white collar crime but lots of people lost their jobs.

    Jim, I am happy to pay a carbon tax because it's the right thing to do and I because I actually think beyond myself to society at large.

    Commenter
    sydneybob1
    Location
    Armidale
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:05AM
  • Surprise, surprise to read yesterday that all major investment in large Green Energy projects in Australia has all but ceased due to Abbottism. It makes perfect sense doesn’t it? Or does it?

    Why continue with fossil fuels when Australia has the greatest amount of solar energy in the world. When the largest CSP plant, Ivanpah produces 1,037,127 MW•h/year rounding up to 1.04 TW•h/year (1 terrawatt equals 1 000 000 000 000 watts, therefore at 1842 KWh per ton of coal Ivanpah over a lifespan of 40 years saves 239,739,400 tonnes of coal and at the current price of $72 per ton saves $17,261,236,800 and reducers 685,654,684 tonnes of atmospheric Co2.

    Even Saudi Arabia is investing $25 billion in CSP, why can Arabs see the sense and the economics while Fossil Fuel Abbott cannot? What is driving Abbott’s inanity? Why is Abbott and PUP against Green Energy infrastructure investment? If their stance made any economic sense at all one could understand, but their bloody minded self-interest of foreign owned fossil fuel conglomerates at our expense is beyond disgusting.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:04AM
  • Australia looks destined to be a "leaner" rather than a "lifter" in the global effort to reduce the impacts of climate change. A party that once championed individual responsibility and market solutions has turned its back on its former principles and future generations.

    Commenter
    Bemused
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:03AM
  • This will be remembered as Australias day of political reckoning. An utter disgrace.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:02AM
  • The Greens are well on the way to total irrelevance.

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 11:00AM
    • Sure, Puzzled. If you say so. Ooops - there goes another opinion poll showing your side dropping like a stone.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:03AM
    • Why are you saying that - because the Libs are destroying a whole lot of environmental initiatives? Would have thought that would increase the Green vote.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:05AM
    • The Greens have arrived at that point already

      Commenter
      Jojar
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Please explain, assumptions based no conclusion is B.S.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:07AM
    • Despite having 10 seats, and despite Labor agreeing with them?

      Yes, total irrelevance.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:07AM
    • It is incredibly important for the repeal bill to be passed today. Every day of delay shows how effective the Carbon Tax is in reducing CO2 emissions.
      The longer the debate goes, the harder it will be for Tony to cover up his lie.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:08AM
    • Much like the Nationals and the COALition.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:11AM
    • Oh really? They are polling consistently between 12-15%, their highest numbers in many years.

      Commenter
      Jessica
      Location
      Mosman
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:13AM
    • They are not going away Puzzled, Greens will come back stronger than ever. And we wil see the sh away of Abbott and his lies.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:19AM
    • The Greens aren't losing votes. The Liberals and Nationals are. But if you think about it the Liberals adopted Hansons' immigration policy while prosecuting her for be stupid.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:22AM
    • Can't happen soon enough - they have been irrelevant to everyone except the ABC for a long time!

      Commenter
      babs
      Location
      newcaslte
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:35AM
  • Going once Going twice sold Australia's international reputation sold to the lowest bidder. All dune and dusted now lets move on.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:58AM
    • Into sea rise or?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:08AM
    • The Coalition outlined its policies before the last election. Removal of the carbon tax was a key issue. The Coalition won and it is rightly implementing the policies it was elected to implement. Be thankful for an honest Coalition.

      Commenter
      Oh, really?
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:09AM
    • divided
      If there are bigger issues, why is the government wasting time repealing a tax that has no economic effect, is effectively reducing Australia's emissions and is contributing to Australia's bottom line?
      Tell your boss to move onto the issues you think are more important.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:10AM
  • When Gough Whitlam introduced Medibank in 1973 it was a radical unthinkable step too far for many. When he lost power Malcom Frazer representing normal conservative middle class white bread society the first thing he did was abolish it even though it was an idea who's time had come. When Frazer lost power Hawke immediately reinstated Medibank as Medicare and it has become a loved and trusted part of the Australian way of life that we are rightly proud of.

    Putting a Price on Carbon is clearly going to be a similar process. All the data shows that Pricing Carbon emissions has worked and worked well. Pollution is down and the impost on the community is minute. Money raised is going into developing the technologies of the future where the next round of jobs well spring from.

    It really is a bit like the next Industrial Revolution and the scope for this New Energy and Technology is so big it's almost unknowable but it is clear that it is the way of the future.

    Sadly while we have been hoodwinked by vested interests and we will need to be patient and wait for the right person to emerge to lead us forward to this new future as there don't seem to be any in public life now.

    The opportunity to be a leader in this new Tech Revolution has been lost due to politics and ignorance and it's a very sad day for many. We can only hope that the next real leader who can lead us forward is not to far from emerging because the country won't be able to stand the damage done by Abbott and his ignorant band for very long.

    Commenter
    juileep
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:56AM
    • Agree 100%. What the right are continually missing in this debate is the golden opportunity slipping thru their fingers. Ironically, this will cost jobs in a new and emerging sector at the cost of holding on the some in the old economy. No Vision.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Excellent contribution and analogy.
      Just who that person is, remains to be seen. One thing is certain though, no one could ever compete with having the self earned and deserved title of the worst PM and 'team' in modern Australian political history.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:07AM
    • Indeed those against should study British Columbia's carbon tax system.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:11AM
  • So here we go again, let's discuss the repeal of the PoC.
    I'd truly like to see an estimate of the emissions and costs created by the endless discussion, rhetoric and slogans that have emanated from this topic.
    HRH will have to set aside another few thousand hectares for his arboreal assault on the country to combat something that is invisible and doesn't exist.
    And yum, that lamb was delicious.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:53AM
  • July 2015. House of Reps 2:01pm Question Time. Madame Speaker, my question is to the Prime Minister. My constituent, Mrs Bloggs, has sent me her electricity bill (waving an electricity bill in the air). It shows that despite her using 10% less electricity this quarter than the same quarter last year as her response to the carbon tax and to reduce her contribution to climate change, the cost of her electricity has gone up, not down as the Prime Minister promised it would after the repeal of the carbon tax. She says that she has seen no sign of the promised $550 savings for her family. Why has the Prime Minister lied, yet again, to the Australian people.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:51AM
    • Funny thing...I out solar on my house and make about $2000 profit per year from other taxpayers for the next 14 years (I don't pay a cent for electricity). People like me get it for free...which means the upkeep of the power infrastructure is paid for by the REMAINDER who DON'T have solar....the BRILLIANT policy of the previous govt has given me free electricity and makes the underprivelaged pay more for the uipkeep of infrastructure. Outstanding policy from the Labour/Greens. Well done. Well thought out policy no doubt passed by their Senate majority at the time. Yes...your bills will continue to rise until the feed-in-tarriff scheme is over or scales back and people with solar start paying like the rest of the community.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Abbott’s much unanticipated reply would be to claim his time immemorial slogan that ‘climate change is crap’. The $550.00 savings is a hoax and the missing link relating to the $100 leg of lamb is the greatest political scam in history. The savings is a wishful thinking and not part of public policy but at the core of this political carbon tax debate is the reality that none of the political economists will ever produced a system in which our public policy will produce the relevant social economic equilibrium in our capitalist system which is inherently designed to manufacture inequality. I do believe however, that our Constitution provides for better public policy that would not allow this Abbott government to turn into autocracy and eradicate all forms of good public policy.

      Commenter
      Postgirl
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:23AM
    • @SoL Think you'll find feed in tariffs are a state based initiative. I'm happy to receive mine as an early adopter to give a kick start to the industry whilst panel prices were a lot higher than they are now, working beautifully.

      You can always donate yours to the TA re-election fund if you wish, they'll need every cent.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:25AM
    • 2.05 pm 17 July 2015 -my question is to the Hon. Leader of the Opposition I have in my hand the latest quartly electricity bill of not only one of my constituents but also the bill from a small manufacturing business. Both show a fall in the price of electricity. Is the Leader of the Opposition committed to return this impost on Australian business & families?

      Commenter
      The Tory
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:27AM
    • Actually thinking about it @SoL, I thought that "If the sun doesn't shine, and the wind doesn't blow, the power doesn't flow" Don't you feel a bit hypocritical having solar panels, shouldn't you be supporting our great coal industry?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:38AM
    • @The Tory learn how Parliament works. Question Time is for the Opposition to ask the gov't questions, not the other way round.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:39AM
    • @Sick of the Left your rooftop solar, as does mine, as does everyone else's pumps power into the grid every day that the sun shines. That reduces the need for coal-fired power and also provides a boost to power production to meet excessive demand on the hottest days. Hopefully blackouts and brownouts will be avoided. The need for new and expensive and polluting coal-fired generators is reduced. But if you feel so bad about your solar panels being paid for by others you could always turn them off. I dare you.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Mitch...why on earth would I do that? It'd be contrary to the well thought out policy of yhe last govt that was just helping out 'working families'!!!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
    • But Mitch...turning them off would increase carbon emissions by making me use fossil fuels ??? What exactly do you stand for Mitch??? That would be environmental vandalism. !!!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:11PM
  • "The carbon tax repeal bills will leave the agency with only $100 million or so over the next four years for new projects"

    That is assuming LNP will be around for the next four years - which is highly unlikely. If they keep this up they'd be gone by next election. The repealing of the Carbon Tax is only a small bump in the road to tomorrow. We shall prevail and back on track after the next election whenever it is held.

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:49AM
    • Ye, just what Australia needs is the 10% of Left-wing extremists controlling the country! No thanks! With a bit of luck, the Greens will be all but eliminated at the next election.

      Commenter
      Oh, really?
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:11AM
  • ANU study shows carbon price "...doing what it was meant to do, and what it was expected to do, namely dampen demand and shift the supply from dirtier to cleaner sources of electricity” (http://bit.ly/1oZ6OKn). Totally at odds with Greg Hunt's comments that it has had no effect. Now who to believe? A climate science denier like Hunt or an independent review by a leading university?

    Commenter
    RobE
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:49AM
    • RobE
      But the ANU is made up of scientists.
      We know that they have no credibility when compared to shock jocks being paid or by the coal industry.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:58AM
  • Hopefully if the CT is repealed we won't have to listen to it being mentioned a zillion times a day as if it was an all pervasive thingy that either ruins or saves our lives, Australia and the world.
    It's not, it's just a means of fining companies that pollute, just like I get fined if my car pollutes. I don't care if 97% or 40% of scientists say this or that I just would prefer that pollution is discouraged. But if I can't have that please don't talk about it endlessly anymore, please.

    Commenter
    Qlder
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:48AM
  • It's really unediffying watching the Greens flap about like a fish out of water trying to support the carbon tax.

    We've heard all these arguments time and time again. It's like trying to continue life support where all vital signs have ceased. Let it go.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:43AM
    • Glad you don't work as an Ambo Hacka, or do you?

      Commenter
      Immal
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:56AM
    • Naughty naughty NAUGHTY IPCC !!!!

      This overriding AR5 WGI lower temperature CO2 atmospheric sensitivity result is simply concealed and ignored in the AR5 WGII final report which blithely goes on to make assessment after assessment of the impacts of increasing CO2 levels based on climate model temperature projections which have been shown to grossly exaggerate and overstate the global temperature increase impacts of atmospheric CO2 levels.
      The climate model scenarios developed by the UN have other significant limitations beyond not being able to produce temperature projections that agree with measured global temperatures. These include that climate model temperature projections have no probabilities attached to their computed outcomes and that the resulting temperature projection outcomes are considered to be simply “plausible and illustrative”. Thus comparisons of climate model temperature outcomes to actually observed global temperatures is paramount to assessing whether these projections have validity.

      The failure of the UN WGII report to utilize the results of the UN WGI report which showed that climate models grossly exaggerate and overstate global temperatures and then use these same flawed climate models to establish global temperature related risks associated with atmospheric CO2 levels means that the WGII claimed climate risk findings being both overstated and invalid.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:00AM
    • Hacka, once the carbon price is gone, and carbon output stops declining (or indeed rises), costs of goods don't decrease (lamb roast stays the same) and bills don't fall by nearly as much as predicted,...... will you admit that it was all a political sham , at the expense of australia... by someone who either can't be believed or was simply wrong???

      Commenter
      swagman
      Location
      syd
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:00AM
    • Milne's now even telling us it's 4 - 6 degrees, despite the IPCC quoting 0.3 - 0.7.

      They've overreached for ten years, no point stopping now i supopse.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:01AM
    • Funnily enough - I agree (@Gig feel free to kick me out of the chamber).

      I think the battle is lost but there is a war to be won, confident that Labor has an effective longer game to play on CC. Libs will tear everything down one way or another.

      Prefer to concentrate on parties actually trying to have meaningful dialogue on running the country - even though that's likely to be another sh1tfight.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:02AM
    • Jeez, davemac, the day after I praise (faintly, but it was praise) Christopher Pyne, you go and agree (with caveats, but it was agreement) with Hacka.

      That, and you've outed yourself as an Essendon supporter.

      I hereby remove both of us from the chamber under 94A.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:59AM
    • Yep I know @G I'm still in the naughty corner as we speak.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:41PM
  • I want to see Abbott standing in front of those 8 huge chimney stacks we see on TV all the time that belch out black smog and stand there giving us a thumbs up.

    Commenter
    Archer
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:40AM
  • "Joe Hockey has been out on the airwaves again this morning.

    He has told Neil Mitchell on 3AW that the budget needs "everyone to push in the right direction"."

    Yep if we all push hard enough, and with a bit of luck, we may just get it over the cliff

    Bye Bye Unfair Budget !

    Commenter
    havasay
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:38AM
    • ....and what gall to ask for a so called alternative policy when in opposition Smokin' Joe sat on his cards right up until the election. Then we find out all their pathetic promises were lies. Hypocrite.

      Commenter
      MP
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:36AM
  • Wow - so it has taken Terrific Tony Truthless 17 days to get to this point with this legislation. Wonder how long the Budget measures will take ?? This lot can't organise for a pig to roll in mud

    Commenter
    Blue Tie Ineptitude
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:38AM
  • Carbon Tax Epithet: Here lies, in the Senate, a policy so maligned and debated to death that it may Rest in Peace, forever ETS to our memories.

    Commenter
    Postgirl
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:36AM
    • Carbon Tax (Epithet)

      born - Gillard time
      Died – Palmer time
      The good die young

      Commenter
      PPG
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:53AM
  • Can we please hold off on the CT repeal bill please Joe needs the revenue. The real PM Clive is just doing this to make the LNP look silly. Achieving his objective.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:34AM
  • Leaving aside the merits or otherwise of carbon pricing, it’s depressing that many on here and in Parliament invest so much importance (and expensive champagne) onto a negative- not having a particular tax- as if this is the most wonderful thing that could happen to the nation. When compared with other great political moments (the apology, withdrawal of troops from each of the squalid little wars we’ve managed to get ourselves mixed up in, gun laws, universal health care), it hardly ranks.

    It's all so small-minded and petty. Where are the positive plans to make Australia a better, fairer, smarter, more productive and environmentally more reponsible nation?

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:31AM
    • Totally agree Gigondas. There is WAY too much importance being attached to this particular issue. There are much more pressing matters in this country and the world.

      As an aside, once the Carbon Tax is gone, how on earth is the Government going to answer questions in QT?!

      Commenter
      Carl
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:40AM
    • "It's all so small-minded and petty."

      Dead right Gigondas. The campaign to repeal the carbon price is so emblematic of this Government. In the face of the great issues of our time, we have a government who is trying to shrink us into some sort of hedgehog ball - but without the spines.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:42AM
    • Well, with sea rise estimated to cost Australian coastal communities $300 billion, global warming is a bit more of a problem than most other things. Therefore imperative that we do everything we can to assist in the global fight on climate change. After all we do create more global Co2 than any other population on a per capita basis.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:45AM
    • Haven't we had some 'sliding doors' moments over the last few years?

      - Rudd had the guts to call a DD
      - Abbott got one less vote for leader
      - Gillard didn't make the monumental mistake of calling an ETS that started with a fixed price a 'tax'

      Perfect storm that saw Tony 'Steve Bradbury' Abbott as 'choke' PM

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:49AM
    • One word "none"

      Commenter
      Amro
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:49AM
  • It won’t happen overnight but it will happen under PUP. While Abbott is dreaming of a carbon tax repeal, Palmer work hard to amend it in order to achieve Abbott’s dream.

    Commenter
    Postgirl
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:31AM
    • This is Palmer's best opportunity to get as many of his policies through as possible.
      There will be a lot of backroom deals done today.
      Watch this space.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:43AM
  • Annual Australian investment in renewable energy projects in 2013: $2.691 billion (http://bit.ly/1mW2StP)

    Current outlook for 2014: investment in renewable energy coming to a halt due to uncertainty caused by LNP government (http://bit.ly/1tQWOIg)

    Tony Abbott said after the election that Australia is "open for business". That too was a lie.

    Commenter
    RobE
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:29AM
  • The ultimate urge to go home on time will pass the carbon tax.

    Commenter
    Garry of Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:28AM
    • Spot on Garry! And it's right up there with people staging 'national' protests about important stuff...like paying $7 to visit a GP...but they stay at home every weekend rather than protesting outside various embassies representing countries where people are being tortured, raped, killed on a regular basis and ...well..contributing to the global refugee crisis....how many of these 'activists' have taken refugee families into their homes and pay for their well-being?? I dare say none. Twitter and blogs on here are much easier for people's conscience and amount to nothing. The only thing they ACTUALLY protest about...are hits to their hip pocket. Wow. Funny how fickle people are - the fauz outrage is palpable.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:41AM
  • What labor did right was to introduce Carbon-tax. NDIS, Ginski,. Lamb is still selling at about 20 odd dollars --NOT $100 ,Stupd. Abbot how are you progressing with your oiling the money machine???

    Commenter
    Blokey
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:18AM
    • the world has not warmed in 17 years.
      we do not require carbon tax. case closed

      Commenter
      Anti green
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:21AM
    • @anti-green, oh I defer to your wisdom. You obviously know far more than the entire scientific community, and your statement alone is enough to change the global consensus.

      Commenter
      Jimbo
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:28AM
    • No one so blind as one who does not want to see - only have to look at Noerthern hemisphere to see the effect of a warmer climate

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Foggy Vision
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:29AM
    • Anti green, it has, we do, case closed.

      Commenter
      Lacka
      Location
      intelligence
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:29AM
    • The dinosaurs denied global cooling as well. See where it got them. Just 2 more years at most until our electoral asteroid wipes out the dinosaurs we have been stuck with.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
    • Anti green - Are you getting your facts from LNP?

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
    • Anti Green - NASA /still/ disagrees.
      http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators/

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
    • Anti, if the world has not warmed in 17 years (which 17 years?), how come Australia just had the hottest year on record?

      How come new extreme weather pattern records are being set around the world at a fast rate than anyone can remember?

      The opponents of the reality of Climate Change take comfort in a single misleading and misrepresented statistic to describe something as complex as the climate of the world. Says it all really.

      Case reopened.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:33AM
    • Anti Green

      You tell them Mate! Obviously increased seal populations are causing the oceans to warm, And those damn polar bears are breaking up too much ice, right?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:33AM
    • Yes let's keep the carbon tax. Maybe then we can reduce global temperatures by 0.0038 of a degree by 2100 at a cost of trillions.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:42AM
    • Antigreen,
      Your 16-year hiatus is a lie propagated by an article in The Australian.

      it has no basis in fact, it is an untruth.
      So the reality is that global warming continues unabated. Despite this reality, an article by Graham Lloyd in The Australian (paywalled) claims that the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Rajendra Pachauri agreed that there has been a 17-year pause in global temperature rises. Unfortunately we don't know exactly what Pachauri said on the subject, because Lloyd did not quote him directly (which is a red flag).
      The IPCC communications office tells Skeptical Science that The Australian has not provided a transcript or audio file of the interview for verification, but it does not accurately represent Pachauri's thoughts on the subject - namely that as discussed in this post, global surface temperatures have plateaued (though over the past decade, not 17 years), and that this in no way disproves global warming.
      Despite the lack of useful verifiable content, the story headline has nevertheless gone viral. This is not the first time Lloyd has been caught misrepresenting climate science in The Australian - in January of this 2013 he wrongly claimed that a study had found no link between global warming and sea level rise. Oceanographer John Church, who was co-author on the misrepresented research in question and also Nuccitelli et al. (2012) from which Figure 1 above originated, set the record straight, and The Australian was forced to retract the article.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:43AM
    • WW, even your precious IPCC has grudgingly conceded no warming for 17 years. Why can't you?

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:44AM
    • Cold day here in Melbourne, further proof that the world is not warming.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:46AM
    • Anti-green is probably living in a house a mile or so from the beach and he's hoping to eventually have a beach-front property.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:47AM
    • Ha ha ha Dr @Brian Evil - it's 2014 - that amount of money doesn't even exist.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:50AM
    • Brian,
      The IPCC have not said anything of the sort.
      The Australian wrote a false report and refuses to acknowledge as such. in fact the IPCC representatives have said that the Australian report is wrong.

      this urban myth comes from the Australia newspaper, a Murdoch publication

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:54AM
    • @dave - trillions don't exist? Just have a look at the US debt then. www.usdebtclock.org/

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:59AM
    • It's called a joke @Brian, haven't seen Austin Powers? You right wingers have no sense of humour---sheeeeesh.

      My point was you are exaggerating, as I've told you a million billion quadrillion times before.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Spending 80% of global GDP to address climate change is sheer lunacy @davemac http://topher.com.au/50-to-1-video-project/#prettyPhoto

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:09PM
  • Will today be the day? I certainly hope so.Labor is trying to pass an ETS which failed, which means it is inevitable.

    Commenter
    Piped Piper
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:07AM
    • You have a sad life if today is going to be a highlight. Tony Truthless is full of rubbish about lifting - not leaning. Well we are real leaners now

      Commenter
      ashamed of oz
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:14AM
    • Yes, Piper - an ETS IS inevitable. Once your mob gets out of the way and allows us to keep up with the 21st Century.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:15AM
    • The repeal of the CT has turned into a complete non-event for Tony now.

      But he'll pathetically try to put some positive spin on it, despite economists saying there'll be no economic benefit for the average Joe when it's gone.

      Wonder what's next for the Coalition? They've been harping on about the Carbon Tax for three years and the whole issue's a fizzer for them given price rises left, right and centre and the vile budget they proposed. I'm enjoying the resistance this government is encountering from all angles and the degree to which they're floundering. They're even worse than I thought they'd end up being!

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Dumb dumb
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:42AM
    • Ashamed...you are free to leave whenever you like....but I suggest you don't throw your passport into the ocean before arriving....most countries will require you to have a visa to enter. Most countries like their sovereignty maintained.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:44AM
  • When Tony says for the umpteenth time something like "We are scrapping bad taxes like the carbon tax and the mining tax and we are cutting company tax," etc. he reminds me of people with monomania. This was a psychiatric diagnosis in the nineteenth century for otherwise healthy people whose madness consisted of an pathological obsession with one idea. Those nineteenth-century shrinks would have loved our Tony. Maybe we could send him back in time.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:07AM
    • i have the time machine ready but will need to do it several times as it cannot hold hokey with anyone else in the machine!!!

      Commenter
      Transplant
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:17AM
    • Hahaha, great post. Yes, ol' Tone's completely fixated on the CT - rigidity is his middle name. There's this cognitive dissonance between their premature celebration a few weeks ago and the repeal today which will have no financial bearing whatsoever on anyone. No extra money in our pockets like he promised. It's certainly no celebration for anyone on any side of politics.

      Commenter
      Tony
      Location
      Dumb dumb
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:36AM
    • Christine, the problem of any intergenerational theft is something the Libs have already got well covered with family trusts so I don't think they will be too worried.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:04AM
  • What did we learn yesterday?

    Abbotteers are associated with a sickly flabby substance of little structure that wobbles a lot, pretentious like jelly in disguise, and is tasteless.

    Another farrago of Abbotteer lies told in the parliament claim Australia the highest taxing country of carbon, the truth: Australia has the 5th lowest tax on carbon of all OECD countries.

    An Abbotteer apparently finds that France spends less on fighting climate change than Australia. French total power output is 75% nuclear. Of last “Tuesday after months of intense debate, [France] will reduce the use of fossil fuels by 30 percent in the next 15 years.

    The same Abbotteer claimed the biggest CSP solar plant in the world the US Ivanpah station still wasn’t working despite its last third capacity coming on line 13 February 2014. Nevertheless it’s useless apparently despite power cost of 19 cents per KWh compared to 36 cents per KWh by coal.

    Further, CSP apparently isn’t worth bothering with, apparently its construction being too expensive. Our Abbotteer neglected to mention over 40 years Ivanpah saves 239,739,400 tonnes of coal at current price of $72 per ton saving $17,261,236,800 and 685,654,684 tonnes of atmospheric Co2

    Senator Corman thinks questions about the carbon tax are to be avoided like CSP savings.

    Apparently our Abbotteer flat earthers still cannot understand how warming oceans melt ice.

    And Abbotteer sceptics remain troubled of how 27% increase in atmospheric Co2 over the last 59 years has brought on global warming when apparently the planet isn’t warming.

    Adding to perplexity, Abbotteer Hacka wants celebration bubbles with faster and increased global warming.

    Finally consensus dictates that The Pulse is a valuable asset and much appreciated by many, except by Abbotteers, who believe it to be nothing but shameless bias unlike the Australian.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:04AM
    • What the 5th IPCC Assessment report actually says:

      THE global mean surface temperature change for the period 2016-2035 relative to 1986-2005 will likely be in the range of 0.3C to 0.7C ... Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed 1.5C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all ... scenarios except (one) ... and more likely than not to exceed 2C for (one other scenario) ...

      IPCC AR5 notes the lack of warming since 1998:

      THE rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998-2012) (is) 0.05 (-0.05 to +0.15)C per decade) which is smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951-2012) (of) 0.12 (0.08 to 0.14)C per decade.

      Commenter
      science is not settled
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:11AM
    • And still, still has you wrote about averages warming oceans are still not melting ice at increasing rates of melt. How utterly perplexing for you, science. Perhaps Abbott can tell you why. Oh wait a minute a 27% increase in Co2 means....err what is the term... something like an electric blanket? You best explain it to me Science.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:21AM
    • Just on that last point, it was me, an Abbott supporter, who made that comment - remember!

      Commenter
      Fairfax Bias
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:23AM
    • Trixxy little IPCC scientists.....

      Germany called for the references to the slowdown in warming to be deleted, saying looking at a time span of just 10 or 15 years was ‘misleading’ and they should focus on decades or centuries.
      .......
      The last IPCC ‘assessment report’ was published in 2007 and has been the subject of huge controversy after it had to correct the embarrassing claim that the Himalayas would melt by 2035.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:29AM
    • OK, here's a really simple solution. After the carbon tax is repealed, you are completely welcome to keep paying it, so you will still be making a contribution to saving the planet. Right. Everyone is happy!

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
    • Fairfax Bias

      So the Australian and Murdoch are what exactly? Given that dear Uncle Rupert is a large investor in shale oil and gas exploitation. Perhaps you should look who owns Genie Oil.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:39AM
    • The following scientists have worked for the IPCC but no longer do so because of the way their work has been misrepresented:

      Christopher Landsea
      Christopher Landsea is a scientist who has studied hurricanes for 20 years. He took part in the second and third IPCC reports. He resigned from the IPCC in January 2005 over the issue of exaggerated claims of the influence of global warming on hurricanes. In his resignation letter, he said "I am withdrawing because I have come to view the part of the IPCC to which my expertise is relevant as having become politicized. In addition, when I have raised my concerns to the IPCC leadership, their response was simply to dismiss my concerns.
      Paul Reiter
      Reiter is a specialist in tropical diseases. He was a contributing author to the WGII report of the TAR (2001) (chapter 9, dealing with impacts on human health). He found it difficult to work with lead authors who were not experts in the field, who were insisting on a link between climate change and diseases such as malaria. As a result he resigned from the IPCC. In a report to the House of Lords he wrote: "In my opinion, the IPCC has done a disservice to society by relying on "experts" who have little or no knowledge of the subject, and allowing them to make authoritative pronouncements that are not based on sound science."

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:50AM
    • ...
      Richard Lindzen
      Lindzen is Professor of Meteorology at MIT. He was a lead author on Chapter 7 of the IPCC TAR, published in 2001. In May of that year he was critical of the Summary for Policymakers, which he said misrepresents what scientists say. He also said that the IPCC encourages misuse of the Summary; that the Summary does not reflect the full document, and that the final version was modified from the draft in a way to exaggerate man-made warming. He did not participate in later IPCC reports.

      Hans von Storch
      Hans von Storch was a lead author in the Third Assessment Report (2001). In 2004 he published a paper that was critical of the "hockey stick" picture which was prominent in the TAR. He volunteered to act as a lead author in AR4, but was not chosen. He has said "IPCC authors have decided to violate the mission of the IPCC, by presenting disinformation".

      ....naughty naught little IPCC !!!

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:51AM
    • Science
      1998 was one of the hottest years on record. So of course increases are going to look smaller compared to that.
      If they had compared the increase to 1996, there would have been a 1.25 degree increase.
      But the sad news is that we have now set a new record in 2013 as the hottest year on record, so the increase in 2014 will look smaller than if it was compared to 2012 and the deniers will have a new reason to disbelieve the scientists.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:56AM
    • And Sick of the left, don't forget that beacon on the hill. Pen - what are the emissions for it, seems to be burning bright?

      Commenter
      Octi
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:59AM
  • How many of the Billion trees has Abbott planted?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Ballina
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 10:01AM
    • Actually to abate one years' coal produced Co2 Abbott requires att 2 tonnes of abatement per hectare for abatement of 1.184 billion tonnes of Co2 by trees spaced by one tree per 3 square metres (450 trees per hectare), requires 592 million hectares for 266.4 billion additional trees.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:07AM
    • I do remember seeing a pic of HRH and Hunt planting one. And planting right next to a huge old live tree. So that one probably didn't survive.
      He hasn't even put out calls to licensed seed collectors as yet. Guess he presumes they just magically appear.
      What a complete shambles. You know there's a problem when die hard conservationists realise DA is a Dud.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:15AM
    • I know of two:

      One on the grave of Kevin Rudd and the other on the grave of Julia Gillard. Apparently both are flourishing beautifully due mainly to the large supply of fertiliser each one continues to emit.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:29AM
    • Pen, how many trees are needed to make up for your confuser running for a year...and keeping the lights and heating on in Canberra so that you can cut-and-paste all day every day and not actually influence anything in the real world (other than heat it a bit)?

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:31AM
    • Sick of the left

      So that is your contribution to a serious debate is it? Why bother?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Ah...but Pen's use of fossil fuel doesn't heat the planet...why don't YOU just answer the question? Stupid truth hurts doesn't it Pen.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:08AM
  • I know it's not domestic affairs but i'd really like someone to ask the FM what her position on the Gaza-Israeli conflict is. I am uncomfortable with our position being one of unconditional support for Israel to defend itself against Z grade rockets that cause grass fires by bombing an area 25km by 4km with the borders closed as a response

    Commenter
    Piped Piper
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:58AM
    • The best defence is not upsetting anyone, the next best option is a superior fire power and the will to use it.

      If you attack me, don't expect me to feel for you when you are suffering from my response.

      Commenter
      Dirt
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
  • "The whole point of assembling leaders representing some 80 per cent of the world's gross domestic product is jointly and individually to encourage measures that will make everyone on this planet better off." Yes and as an example start by cutting, cutting, and cutting as many programs as you can. Because it is only when the sick, the poor, the disadvantaged follow out example and become lifters not leaners, that's when the world will change. Hand me one of your cigars Joe.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:49AM
    • And the more you cut from the lower income scales, the less they spend, the quicker the economy slips into recession. The business community will be really annoyed as their turnover and profits fall away. Taxes from that reduced spending drop away as well. You cannot contract your way to prosperity no matter what Hockeynomics says.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:02AM
  • To all those LNP hacks (including Hacka, EIE, Brettie and all the rest of the Mouseketeers), the repeal of the carbon tax, which is actually reducing emissions (see ,http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html) is such a stupid and shortsighted move that it defies any logic except to those selfish enough to pass the buck to the next generation.

    Australia has become, despite the outcry from the far right, a leader in trying to make the environment a better place, something that would benefit your kids and that the nation can be proud of. Instead, the reactionary LNP wants to take us back to the Dark Ages and straight into ridicule in the eyes of the world which is moving the opposite way.

    The argument that the tax (which is due to transition to an ETS- a market mechanism which should be embraced by the free market LNP) destroys jobs is just as much a load of crap as the argument that cutting income and company tax will actually generate more revenue (the much-derided supply side economics).

    The US state of Kansas is the latest example of the theory (which has been around since Reagan)- they cut taxes severely but instead of growing, the state actually shrunk, ran big deficits and got its credit ratings cut. And it won't be fixed for a long, long time.

    When will the LNP accept that innate greed will prevent any company that receives a tax break from hiring more people? It's a myth, everybody! There is no real spirit of altruism that will prompt big business to do the right thing- instead, they will hoard cash if they get a windfall. Why do you think the banks are the riches companies in Australia? But just try and get a loan these days.

    Fight the greed!

    Commenter
    sydneybob1
    Location
    Armidale
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:49AM
    • ...try and get a loan today...?? I thought the problem was banks were TOO willing to lend money...they used to lend only 80% but now 95% to first homebuyers...isn't that making it easier to get a loan? But wait...apparently people are getting into financial difficulty when rates go up...but it's easier to get a loan..???
      Do you even know what point you are trying to make?

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:02AM
    • Sick Of The Left, the banks are under growing pressure to lend because they've been hoarding money for a while since the GFC. They haven't hired back most of the staff let go at the time (these people didn't do anything wrong, they were just expendable) while the top executives get richer. And no one served time for while collar crime.

      And while the LVRs you quote might seem attractive, credit criteria for approval are a lot tougher. Banks really don't really want to lend, they'd rather invest the money as they see fit. That's where they get into trouble. I worked at a major bank and know how they operate- did you?

      The banking lobby is the one who is making all the noise to force a relaxation of FOFA laws- in other word, to re-create the conditions that existed before the GFC. If they succeed, then we are setting the stage for another round of "Let's get rich by taking advantage of people who place their trust in us". It's happened before and it will happen again.

      Innate (or inherent) greed combined with less regulation, Sick Of The Left. This is where the crisis starts. And innate greed is behind the repeal of the carbon tax. It's not about doing the right thing, it's about protecting corporate wealth at the expense of the environment and the next several generations. There's no lack of logic here. If you want to have a discussion about it, you might learn something.

      Commenter
      sydneybob1
      Location
      Armidale
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:16AM
    • Sydbob,

      You ever worked in a manufacturing operation? One of the biggest reasons emissions have fallen is the sharp decline in our manufacturing industries due in part to higher power prices. These are energy intensive businesses that can no longer remain profitable.

      And why are you so anti banks? Millions of us have superannuation invested in shares including our banks. The more profitable they are the better our superannuation becomes. That means less reliance on welfare. Surely that is a good thing.

      And that's the bottom line 'cause Stone Cold said so.

      Commenter
      Stone Cold Steve Austin
      Location
      John 3:16
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:27AM
    • As to Kansas:

      "Small business owners welcomed the news. When Brian Williamson, president of the 17-employee JCB Laboratories in Wichita, learned about the tax cuts, he said,

      If we save a percent and a half on taxes, yeah, it’s going back into the company, whether it’s to hire more people … or invest in equipment, a process or technology.

      Such reinvestment is beginning to show up in the statistics. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, in May Kansas touted an unemployment rate of just 4.8 percent, compared to 5.1 percent in Texas, 5.8 percent in Colorado, and 6.8 percent in Arizona. It’s also way below the national unemployment rate of 6.1 percent.

      Of special interest, however, is the unemployment rate of next-door-neighbor Missouri which shares not only a border with Kansas but also more than half of Kansas City. Missouri, which didn’t cut income taxes (they remain at six percent on taxable incomes above $9,000) suffers from an unemployment rate of 6.6 percent, and climbing.

      A close look at what is happening in the Kansas City metro area is revealing: From May 2011 through May 2012 (June numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t be published until July 18), almost three-fourths of job growth took place in Kansas City, Kansas. What’s even more impressive, however, is that Kansas City, Kansas has one-fourth the population of Kansas City, Missouri: 145,000 compared to 476,000. As Will Upton modestly concluded in his blog at Americans for Tax Reform, “It is arguable that the 2012 spike [in employment on the Kansas side of town] was caused by businesses anticipating a better tax climate in Kansas after the 2012 tax cuts.”

      Commenter
      cut and paste like HRBA
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:32AM
    • OK, here's a really simple solution. After the carbon tax is repealed, you are completely welcome to keep paying it, so you will still be making a contribution to saving the planet. Right. Everyone is happy!

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:34AM
    • Stone Cold Steve Austin,
      rubbish.
      try reading the article that says the main contribution to falling CO2 levels was energy companies not using polluting turbines.\

      http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-price-helped-curb-emissions-anu-study-finds-20140717-ztuf6.html

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:46AM
    • Stone Cold
      Go and read ANU's report on the Carbon Tax effect.
      It shows you what a lie it is about lower demand being responsible for lower emissions.
      Electricity Demand fell 2.3% but CO2 production from power generation fell 5%.
      So that means the Carbon Tax did exactly what it was supposed to do - move demand to cleaner energy.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
    • LNP voters wanted it gone as it was us who were paying it, not the companies and not Labor voters who received Julia's handouts.

      It easy to be self righteous when its not you who is paying.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Coogee
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:10PM
  • "Here in Australia, we are trying to lead by example. We are scrapping bad taxes like the carbon tax and the mining tax and we are cutting company tax," he says.

    Yeah - well one down and two to go

    Commenter
    Get On With it Boys
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:48AM
  • Joe says he might have Plan A with a small variation. Will that small variation will include not hitting the poor, unemployed, elderly and disabled?

    Hopefully Joe’s new plan involves closing tax rorts for companies and the wealthy, stopping the superannuation ‘onshore tax haven’, instituting a more affordable PPL model, making the ‘temporary levy’ on high income earners larger and permanent (and yes, I do pay it), and making Tony endure those slightly tatty cushions in his dining room.

    Oh, and convince Liberals to live in sin- those Liberal weddings cost us taxpayers a fortune!

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:48AM
    • Neil Mitchell: "Have you got a Plan B?"

      Joe Hockey: "Yes, I have. And it's so cunning you could brush your teeth with it!"

      Nah, Joe's actually more tragi-comedic than funny.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:02AM
  • "The G20 will deliver a 3-page communique in plain language because we need to talk not at length about our good intentions but concisely and precisely what we will do to put good intentions into practice ..."

    Yeah right Tony - when is Australia going to see this from your inept Govt ?? Ten months in and we are waiting. Hopefully the other 19 in the G20 will get on with the job

    Commenter
    Get On With it Boys
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:47AM
    • Three pages - hmm - one slogan per page - that is not very environmentally friendly.

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 9:51AM
    • With Tony in the seat (not really in charge though) Australia will be leaning on the other 19 in the G20

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Shonks
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 9:53AM
  • Abbott claims he is trying to lead the world in removing the Carbon Tax? Such a joke! This is too funny too early!

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:47AM
    • OK, here's a really simple solution. After the carbon tax is repealed, you are completely welcome to keep paying it, so you will still be making a contribution to saving the planet. Right. Everyone is happy!

      Commenter
      Jim
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:35AM
  • I bet the B20 attendees are wondering what happened - generally these forums have in demand speakers - not someone like Tony Truthless. Early morning tea anyone ???

    Commenter
    Tepid Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:45AM
  • So let's see what PM Palmer's riding instructions are for his understudy Abbott and fellow Liberal lackeys today. I hear there was a big delivery of hoops to Parliament House early this morning and jumps training is set to start at 9:30am sharp. How low has the mighty party of Bob Menzies, Malcolm Fraser and even John Howard fallen.

    Commenter
    mitch of ACT
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:43AM
    • How is Palmer's hand maiden Wong this morning ? The spectacle of her walking out of the Senate half way through question time yesterday responding to a beckoning by Palmer from the door of the Senate showed the world that Palmer has the ALP leaders doing his bidding.

      When Palmer crashes and burns his new chaos supporting mates in the ALP will be going with him.

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:09AM
    • Another Dancing Girl out of step with the revue . . .

      Commenter
      Dancing Girls
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:16AM
    • Seems that every day this Liberal Govt. led by the "bully boy" of politics (Tony Abbott)
      is sinking deeper into the sink hole and heading for a (much needed) double D.
      Bring it on for THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY.

      Commenter
      Pavlina
      Location
      Netley SA
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:19AM
    • Clearly, andie, it has escaped your attention that the Coalition are now in Government and Labor in Opposition. It has certainly escaped the attention of Toxic Tony and Smokin' Joe who continue to act as though they are in Opposition.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:26AM
    • Andie. Stop sooking.

      Commenter
      billsan
      Location
      Neverland
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:26AM
    • Please explain how stating the truth is "sooking" ?

      I know the ALP sup[porters have a real aversion to the TRUTH so I guess that is all the luvvies have left is negativity.

      AS for a DD to solve the chaos - polling in QLD shows the ALP would be the big losers as PUP vote in QLD is helping Newman to win the next election.

      Dissatisfied voters are not going to the ALP but to PUP who may finish ahead of the ALP in several seats!

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 6:15PM
  • Neil Mitchell: "Have you got a Plan B?"

    Joe Hockey: "I've got a plan so cunning, you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel!"

    Nah, Blackadder was funny - Hockey's laughable in a different way.

    Commenter
    BC
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:33AM
    • Damn you @BC - I was planning to use that Blackadder line at some point

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 9:45AM
    • I'm often tempted to use Richard III's description of Edmund from the first episode.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 9:58AM
    • The amount of blame on the Labor and Greens is pathetic considering that they have no power.

      Commenter
      Hacker2014
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:06AM
  • Doesn't that mean that Cory Bernardi is in the same building as Clive Palmer and the PUPs? That should be interesting. Maybe Clive could give Cory some pointers about getting the most out of press conferences, and Cory could give Clive the benefit of his enormous intellect.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:32AM
    • It's been neutralised by the very fact that it has been a catastrophic success of mutual attraction.

      Commenter
      TRG
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:01AM
    • I wonder what bombshells Cory is to deliver. Given any opportunity it's always guaranteed there'll be a few rippers.
      Drawing the long bow with anything totally irrelevant, his forte.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:01AM
    • Cory''s fortes are usually fortissimos. The trouble is that so many people, even distinguished senators, don't like common sense spoken too loudly.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:41AM
    • DM, unfortunately common sense is no longer common. The only sense remaining is non-sense.

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:04PM
  • What is a B20? Well you might ask. I did, through Google.

    It’s “one of the world's pre-eminent policy forums for business”, according to itself. (I love website self-descriptions. Alan Jones on his website describes himself as “the nation's greatest orator and motivational speaker”, with “the mind and capacity to make complex issues understandable”.) But I digress.

    The B20 is helping to formulate the G20 agenda. And who are they? Helpfully they’ve included photos. 30 people (with a highly representative three women), including Tony, Joe and Andrew Robb, a phalanx of blokey business types and Rupert Murdoch (hang on, he’s not even an Australian, despite the name of his gift to the nation). There is a token leftie, Tim Costello, but they probably sent the invitation to the wrong brother- a bit like when the wrong Attenborough got the MBE.

    I can see that lot really embracing the need for climate change to be a central G20 discussion point.

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:23AM
  • Great to hear Bill S on AM this morning confirming Labor will take an ETS to the next election. TA will no doubt be doing all he can at the Paris conference next year to derail global action - otherwise he definitely is toast. Problem is no-one wants to join his 'coalition of the luddites'.

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    July 17, 2014, 9:16AM
    • After 2 years of el nino, the public will be more than willing to bring back an ETS by then.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 10:27AM
    • WW thats the problem you have... you are defending a tax that was never going to impact on global temperatures and yet you use its abolition as a reason to fear monger over a weather pattern. Thats why people like you and the greens lose the debate because rational thinking and discussion is replaced by baseless exaggerated prophesies of world decimation.

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 11:53AM
    • Trouble is - that's what they did last time - with the assurance from the Libs that they would support it -guess what - they then changed their mind after the election and in order to get any action on limiting carbon JG used the only other mechanism to price carbon and introduced the carbon tax which the Libs are now rolling back.

      Commenter
      Stevo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
    • Yeah but @hodster, people like you don't accept the science that the trends are changing, and just like TA saying 'they'll always be bushfires/droughts' you hide behind the excuse that no one event can be attributed to CC - which it can't.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:01PM
    • "Mission Accomplished" - at what cost?

      Commenter
      Diana
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:06PM
    • Hoster.

      Explain how the tax affected you.

      Commenter
      Pontoon
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:26PM
    • i accept that trends are changing and i also accept that direct action is a pile of rubbish.. but the carbon tax was not the answer. its a shame that a clean energy future is not at the forefront of the governments agenda and its also a shame that Nuclear power seems to be treated like a pariah when it works so well..But my point is the left and the greens continue to lose the argument because of hysterical and unfounded warnings of apocalypse. Currently the Australian economy isstill reliant upon mining but if the greens had their way they would sacrifice the economy to satisfy their agenda ... there is no clear path but they are economic vandals who cannot be trusted.I hope that this government will eventuially also see there is a path to a cleaner and more efficient future.

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 12:33PM
    • Hodster, the government's opposition to seeding innovation in the renewable energy sector (which the carbon price did) is bad for electricity consumers (it would cause prices to fall) but good for coal electricity generators, who would otherwise face the "death spiral" crisis, and consequently good for coal miners.

      Commenter
      of course
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:39PM
    • Yep, WW, when the changing "facts" conspire against you & logic fades away then there is always El Niño to scare the public your way.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:52PM
    • Hodster...there is nothing "hysterical" about wanting measures to ensure we reduce carbon emissions. I would suggest that if there was any hysteria in this debate it was in the propaganda put forward by the Abbott team and others that Carbon Tax was going to bring down the economy and send us all to the poor house. But hey, your happy, Tony's happy, Rupert's happy, Clive's happy and Gina's happy...now what does that tell you?

      Commenter
      Alpheus Williams
      Location
      Red Rock
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:55PM
    • I thought Canadia was on board.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 1:58PM
    • Rather strange recollection of history @steve; was supported by libs right upto when Minchin put his boy Abbott in

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:17PM
    • Hodster. This is where you are wrong. Firstly it was set to change to a Trading Scheme next year, labor wanted to bring it forward, secondly despite LNP lies Emission Trading Schemes are on the rise and if we do not have one then our exporters may find countries with an ETS will put a penalty Tax on Australian items they import for not having an ETS. 70% of Australians according to recent pols support an ETS. Be nice if King Tony had a plebiscite on the subject but alas in his words. " if the plebiscite doesn't go my way I reserve the right to ignore it".

      Commenter
      Jessica
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 2:48PM
    • lewis, my point about el Nino is that it will scare the bejesus out of the uncommitted, just like the drought the last time drove John Howard to commit to an ETS.

      The El Nino is a micro weather pattern compared to the major climate change that is going on. But for those on the right that point to a cold day in Melbourne in winter as evidence that there is not such thing as climate change, the very real impact of el Nino will equally signal the opposite.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      glad to be back with the lamb roast
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:15PM
    • Whyalla...latest forecast as of today is El Niño less likely to occur. I'm sure that disappoints you.

      Commenter
      Sick of the left
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:21PM
    • Sorry but the purpose of the Carbon Tax was to facilitate the long term replacement of fossil fuels by renewable sources. It was extremely successful in a very short time in doing this. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. We will only have to restart the whole process at some later date. Clinging to the idea that pursuing fossil fuels will make us anything but poorer in the long run is the actual failure.

      Commenter
      GOV
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:46PM
    • @hodster, wouldn't it be great if there was a mechanism to raise revenue that we could invest in R&D so that we'd become a leading exporter of renewable technology to the world? With our knowledge and environmental conditions, we'd be very well placed to be just that. Then we'd have a real impact on global emissions. Wouldn't it also be great if this revenue-raising measure was also a price signal to encourage people to emit less and was proven to have a negligible impact on the economy? Nah, such a system couldn't possibly exist.

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 3:52PM
    • Davemac, yes agreed, at last Shorten and the ALP have stated the position they will take at the next election. Time for them to stand up for strong policy and be proud of it.

      I absolutely support them on this.

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      pol
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      July 17, 2014, 4:22PM
    • Tony Abbott
      "The Best Friend a Polluter ever had"

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      fitzy of kogarah
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      July 17, 2014, 4:25PM
    • Ah ! well a-day ! what evil looks
      Had I from old and young !
      Instead of the cross, the Albatross
      About my neck was hung.

      Unto the grave.

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      The Ancient Mariner
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      July 17, 2014, 5:12PM
    • @hodster. Let's flip your argument and put it into different scenario. That is, instead of arguing the narrow line that having a carbon tax (that was introduced to change behaviour) will not have a direct impact on global temperatures today...
      Let's use the idea of punitive measures against the under 30 year old (taking away financial support for not having a job straight away because they are not part of the old boy network to walk out of uni into a job), but still expecting them to compete on the same level as those who have that network, but are still expected to fund their competition. It's all about changing behaviour - in this case, to get the parent's to pick up financial responsibility for their adult children (and to decrease their overall independence), rather than having the government provide temporary support when necessary.
      That is,cutting off the dole for 6 months doesn't actually provide a job today = carbon tax doesn't actually reduce global temperatures today.

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      Jump
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      July 17, 2014, 7:00PM
  • According to today’s report ‘Lib ministers turn on Hockey’, Joe has kicked an own goal and the voters are offside. Is the LNP the Brasil of Australian politics?

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    Gigondas
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    July 17, 2014, 9:03AM
    • Get the feeling he didn't like the FoFA changes - maybe there's cracks in the ranks?

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      davemac
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      Melbourne
      Date and time
      July 17, 2014, 9:14AM
    • Like FIFA granting Dubai the World Cup?

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      Hacker2014
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      July 17, 2014, 1:52PM
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