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Politics Live: June 25, 2014

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Question time: talk to the budget

The opposition goads the government with its own budget papers during Wednesday's question time.

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With all that and then some, it's time to scoot.

But before we do, what did we learn today?

  • No one can make a big bang like Clive Palmer
  • No one can blithely walk away from questions like Palmer either;
  • Al Gore clearly leads an interesting life post-politcs; and
  • Canberra shows no signs of getting less strange in this post hung-parliament parliament.

 

Many thanks from Alex Ellinghausen and I.

See you tomoz.

 

A tale of two Hunts.

Labor Leader Bill Shorten has just issued a statement about Palmer's position.

"Climate change is serious issue that demands a serious and effective response, not a stunt ...

Labor has already voted to abolish the carbon tax in the Senate and replace it with a emissions trading scheme – and we'll do so again tomorrow.

The ball is in Tony Abbott’s court – he's the Prime Minister and it's his responsibility to tell Australians whether he intends on doing a deal with Clive Palmer."

"Our position has not changed."

Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Is your opposition to an ETS a deal breaker? If Clive Palmer insists on an emissions trading scheme, you won't accept his amendment?

"I am not being drawn on those issues," says Hunt.

What about an ETS?

"It has not been and it is not our policy. And that remains the position of the government."

Hunt adds that the government was no aware that Al Gore would be here at Parliament.

The Environment Minister says he has not spoken to the former US Vice President.

Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Environment Minister Greg Hunt on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Hunt says that there are already guarantees in the carbon tax repeal legislation to guarantee that full cost savings will be passed on to families (like PUP is calling for).

But the government is "willing to provide additional guarantees".

Environment Minister Greg Hunt is in the Blue Room at Parliament House.

He says Palmer's announcement this evening "means that the Senate will be following the Coalition's plan. It is a plan we took to the last election."

...

"What we have seen today is vindication for the government."

(Apart from the bits about the CEFC and the Climate Change Authority.)

Environment Minister Greg Hunt addresses the media on Wednesday evening. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Environment Minister Greg Hunt addresses the media on Wednesday evening. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

While attention was focussed on Clive Palmer and Al Gore in the Great Hall, the fuel tax passed the lower house.

The House is now debating the Carbon Faming Initiative Amendment Bill, which establishes the Emissions Reduction Fund to replace the carbon tax.

Labor is jumping up and down, accusing the government of shutting down debate (and not for the first time this week).

Gore has been brought out to Australia by the Australian Conservation Foundation.

He is here to train people to spread the climate change message in their communities.

Here is a vid of his comments in reponse to Palmer this evening.

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Al Gore praises Palmer's 'significant' climate policy

Clive Palmer will move to introduce an emissions trading scheme, winning praise from former US Vice President Al Gore.

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How do you think that went, Al?

Former US Vice President Al Gore during his joint press conference with Clive Palmer.
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Former US Vice President Al Gore during his joint press conference with Clive Palmer. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Sky's David Speers says the Palmer will come back at some time tonight to answer questions.

This would be handy.

For one thing, maybe he could explain how his proposed ETS would have a "carbon price zero rated".

 

"There's something Al Gore should understand before sharing a stage with Clive Palmer ..." 

Michael Pascoe writes about the Cirque du PUP.

Read on here.

 

Sometimes it is good to have a longer-term perspective from a chief political correspondent.

The Greens Leader Christine Milne has been a tweetin' her happiness about the bizarreness that just was.

 

Mark Kenny, James Massola and Heath Aston have written about Palmer's announcement(s) here:

"Clive Palmer will demand that households benefit from Tony Abbott's move to repeal the carbon tax, while the government's plans to scrap the renewable energy target and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation have been thrown into doubt."

The PUP leader really is a master of stringing everyone along.

Who has dinner at 5.45pm?

WOW.

There are no questions allowed.

After Palmer talks, Gore speaks briefly.

He thanks and congratulates Palmer for his "statements" and talks of the need for the world to meaningfully confront "the climate crisis".

The former US Vice President also says that he will still be disappointed if Australia's "immediate price on carbon is removed".

Then the presser is wrapped up.

Palmer says the two have a dinner to get to.

If journalists have questions they can ask his spokesman.

 

 

 

 

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

PUP senators will also vote against the abolition of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (in a move that should save the $10 billion fund).

They will also support the continuation of the 20 per cent renewable energy target before 2016 (after the next election).

PUP will vote against the abolition of the Climate Change Authority. And in doing so, will move an amendment to "provide for the establishment ... of an emissions trading scheme" (how 2009 is that?)

"This scheme would only become effective once Australia's main trading partners also take action to establish such a scheme," Clive says.

"If this amendment is supported and passed by the government, the world will know that once they act, they can be sure that Australia will respond in like terms."

The PUP leader then cans Direct Action as a "waste of money".

Climate change is a global problem, he adds.

"Air moves around the world."

Now to the legislation.

Palmer says that "true to our promises to the Australian people at the election, Palmer United senators will vote  ... to abolish the carbon tax".

But - as we were expecting - Palmer says PUP will move an amendment to ensure that all energy producers are required by law to pass on energy savings to consumers.

"The carbon tax is an arbitrary tax," he says.

Palmer thanks Gore for meeting him today in Canberra.

The discussions helped him to "reconsider important issues facing Australians and the rest of the world".

Gore is a great leader, he continues.

 

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore during a joint press conference. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore during a joint press conference. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Palmer presser begins with Queensland senator-elect Glenn Lazarus

He tells us there will be two addresses tonight.

First Palmer, then Gore.

 

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore during a joint press conference. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and former US Vice President Al Gore during a joint press conference. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The Great Hall presser also comes ahead of an Abbott-Palmer meeting in Canberra tomorrow.

 

We have been expecting a press conference from Palmer all day to announce his position on the carbon tax - and possibly mining tax - repeal bills.

But there has now been significant scope creep with the news that Gore will be there too - in person.

Why would a world-famous advocate for action on climate change appear in a press conference with a mining magnate who has said scientists should focus on carbon emissions from nature?

Palmer has previously made headlines for not paying his carbon tax bill and for wanting companies to be retrospectively compensated.

All his indications in the lead up to this evening have been that his party will support the repeal.

 

 

You've got to hand it to Clive Palmer.

The man certainly knows how to generate interest.

We are standing by here for his shingdig in the Great Hall with Al Gore at 5.30pm.

The Great Hall is usually used for balls, big speeches and receptions.

This evening (as noted below), Palmer is due to hold a press conference there with the former US Vice President on the "carbon tax repeal bill".

 

Helen Kroger was elected as a Senator for Victoria in 2007. She was defeated at the 2013 election. 

She begins her valedictory by noting that she had put off writing ths speech, seeing the process as "akin to drafting my own obituary".

The Senate is due to hear more valedictories this afternoon from 5pm.

These include Liberal Senator Helen Kroger and Labor Senators Don Farrell and Mark Furner.

We will take a peek but are mindful that Palmer + Gore is happening at 5.30pm.

(Sorry senators, we know that's a bit rough ...)

 

Speaking of carbon and emissions, the House is back to debating the fuel tax.

A media release just in from the federal leader of the Palmer United Party:

"United States [former] Vice President Al Gore flies to Canberra for discussions with Clive Palmer ...

Mr Palmer said it is apparent that climate change is a global issue and in the meeting he will discuss this with Vice President Gore."

In breaking Palmer news, former US vice-president Al Gore will join Clive Palmer in his press conference today at 5.30pm.

This is according to Palmer's spokesman, who is otherwise remaining tight-lipped about the event.

 

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer during question time on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer during question time on Tuesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In breaking uncool news, Tony Abbott has topped a poll about the nation's most embarrassing dads. 

This comes to us via Take 5 magazine.

The PM scored 31 per cent of the 4360 votes.

This beat out David Koch (17 per cent), Shane Warne (15 per cent), Kevin Rudd (9 per cent), Eddie McGuire (7.5 per cent), Karl Stefanovic (7 per cent), Scott Cam (6 per cent), Gary Mehigan (4 per cent), Matty Johns (2 per cent) and Bert Newton (1.5 per cent).

 

What do you reckon? Palmer certainly has everyone wondering why the burrito he is using the Great Hall. No one here can remember the GH ever being used for a press conference.

An asylum seeker with a 50/50 chance of being tortured or seriously harmed in their home country could be sent back there under proposed changes to the Migration Act.

Immigration correspondent Sarah Whyte reports on the changes that were introduced to Parliament this morning.

Human rights lawyers are shocked at the changes.

Previously, asylum seekers would not be sent back if they faced a 10 per cent chance of torture or significant harm.

 

After a dixer to Malcolm Turnbull (in which he made jokes based on the menu at the Vietnamese restaurant Bill Shorten was at when Kevin Rudd was rolled four years ago ... huh?), Tony Abbott calls an end to question time.

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Just before QT we noted that the AMA says the government has said they are willing to look at alternative models for the co-payment (that at present will not get through the Senate anyway).

Riffing on this, BS asks TA:

Has the Prime Minister finally given up on his GP tax?

"Unlike members opposite who never consulted with anyone when they were in government, this is a consultative and collegial government ... I made it absolutely crystal clear that this government is committed to a modest price signal for GP services."

 

Pie hole.

And now carnies.

Scott Morrison has been dixered about the bases for the success of Operation Sovereign Borders.

"What the Labor Party did when they were in government, is they ran their own festival of dangerous ideas on a daily basis when it came to border protection. 

It was an absolute carnival and, thankfully, the people of Australia put an end to that carnival but sadly the carnies still line the frontbench of the opposition."

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison during question time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison during question time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Julie Bishop gets a dixer about what the government is doing to prevent terrorists receiving support from extremist groups in Australia.

This gives the Foreign Minister the chance to spruik the government's new P series of passport.

"It is extremely difficult to forge," she says brandishing an example of the new beast without any punishment from Madam Speaker.

(But we thought props were verboten in QT?)

BS asks TA a question about seniors and veterans paying for the Coalition's broken promises.

And then QT gets its levity on.

The PM begins the answer talking about the evils of the carbon tax.

After a spell, Shorten gets up to protest: "why don't you just answer a question for once in your life?!"

"I think he has Irritable Bill Syndrome," the PM replies.

Tanya Plibersek jumps in with a "suppository of all wisdom" heckle. 

And wow, Madam Speaker is not amused and asks the Deputy Labor Leader to withdraw. 

"That sort of language is not really acceptable in this place," she says of Plibersek's remark. 

Abbott then concedes of his own volition: "we should not engage in levity in this chamber. I accept that".

 

Speaker Bronwyn Bishop on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Speaker Bronwyn Bishop on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor tells Tony Abbott to talk to the budget.

 

Opposition MPs brandish budget papers as Prime Minister Tony Abbott speaks during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition MPs brandish budget papers as Prime Minister Tony Abbott speaks during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

By the way, cricket fans, Adam Gilchrist is in the public gallery today.

(As chair of the Australia Day Council board.)

Jenny Macklin pings a pension question the PM's way.

Will the PM now admit he has cut the pension and stop deceiving pensioners?

Abbott says that if Labor could read, they would understand. Pensions will go up twice a year, thanks to indexation.

"They have ears that do not hear. They have eyes that do not see. And they have brains that do not work."

Labor's Tim Watts and Terri Butler are kicked out (again).

Manager of Opposition Business Tony Burke looks like he is LOVING work today.

Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and Manager of Opposition Business Tony Burke react to comments by Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shadow Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and Manager of Opposition Business Tony Burke react to comments by Prime Minister Tony Abbott during QT. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We should also note that Nationals MP Michael McCormack was sent out during that Joyce dairy dixer just now.

If we're not mistaken, that makes it three times now that a Coalition MP has been kicked out in this Parliament.

Nationals MP Michael McCormack leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Nationals MP Michael McCormack leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Small Business Minister Bruce Billson just used the phrase "pie hole".

He was dixered about why it is important to fix the budget.

He tells Chris Bowen to "step up".

"Stop having this Leader of the Opposition talking out both sides of his pie hole and get on our budget repair task."

Kate Ellis is sent out under 94a during this process.

 

Shadow Education Minister Kate Ellis leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shadow Education Minister Kate Ellis leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor's agriculture spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon has not survived a dixer to Joyce on challenges to the Australian dairy industry.

He called Fitzgibbon a "massive terminator" (i.e. supporter of a carbon tax repeal).

And then Fitzgibbon got really annoyed about Joyce "lying" and wouldn't stop calling on the Agriculture Minister to withdraw and so was kicked out.

When he was asked to withdraw by Madam Speaker, Joyce said: 

"Whatever it was, I withdraw it."

Barney 1, Joel 0.

Hear that older Australians?

Don't just rest on your social and cultural laurels.

 

Brendan O'Connor asks the PM about pensions.

Does he really think that manual workers should have to work until they are 70?

"We think this is right and proper and we think older people should be economic contributors, not just social and cultural contributors."

 

Wayne's back!

Labor MP Wayne Swan arrives for question time. He missed Tuesday's session after he was sent out for 24 hours on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Wayne Swan arrives for question time. He missed Tuesday's session after he was sent out for 24 hours on Monday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

After a question from BS to TA on budget fairness, we have the crossbench question.

Today's is from Cathy McGowan.

She asks Barney Joyce:

Given the excess demand for agriculture graduates in 2012 nationally ... and the related chronic shortage of postgraduate researchers, will the Minister agree to meet with the Australian Council of Deans of Agriculture to discuss what can be done to ameliorate the impact of budget measures on universities and the long-term future of agriculture in Australia?

The Agriculture Minister begins by saying it is encouraging that there are so many people who want to go into agriculture ... (was that the opposite of McGowan's point?)

He adds that if the sandstone universities decide to put up their fees (under fee deregulation), this will make regional universities more competitive.

 

Bronwyn Bishop has issued a general warning to the house.

"I want to have some decorum in the house and if it means throwing out the ring leaders of the noise, then so be it."

The boom continues on into a dixer to Greg Hunt on le carbon tax.

The Environment Minister begins by baiting Labor about not asking him any questions. 

"You are a courageous bunch, aren't you?! Not one. So in all of that time, I would be delighted to have had one about turtles or dugongs, the Green Army, you name it.

Call me now, Bill, we would [love] to get one. Let the member for Port Adelaide [Mark Butler] have a go."

Victorian Labor MP Andrew Giles (who replaced Harry Jenkins) is kicked out in the process.

 

Labor MP Andrew Giles leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Labor MP Andrew Giles leaves under 94a. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shorten turns up the volume to angry boom. 

Before the election this Prime Minister promised that he would reduce cost of living pressures. So why is this PM ramming a $2.2 billion petrol tax through the Parliament today? And why should every Australian have to pay more at the petrol station because of this PM's rotten budget?

Abbott says that if Shorten is concerned about tax, why not vote to repeal the carbon tax? 


We hope you're sitting down.

The first dixer is to the Prime Minister. And it is about the benefits of repealing the carbon tax.

"Every time you turn on the heater this winter, there's the Leader of the Opposition trying to make it more expensive."

Prime Minister Tony Abbott arrives for question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott arrives for question time on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

We now scamper to the House for question time.

The first question goes to Warren Truss, who is the representative for the Treasurer with Joe Hockey being in China and all.

Joel Fitzgibbon asks:

I refer to Truss' statement [that] "fuel tax is a tax on distance. If ever there was a country that should not tax on fuel it's a vast country like Australia, it's a tax on doing business outside the capital cities." Does the Deputy PM agree with himself or with the Treasurer on making Australians in rural and regional Australia pay more for their fuel?

Truss says that the Coalition refunds the excise that's paid by the trucking industry.

"We will continue to treat regional Australia fairly."

Health correspondent Dan Harrison has been keeping an eye a meeting between new Australian Medical Association president Brian Owler, Tony Abbott and Health Minister Peter Dutton about the GP co-payment.

(The AMA is not supportive of the payment.)

Dan tells us:

Owler said it was "a very constructive meeting," at which both men listened to the AMA's concerns.

"The Prime Minister and the Minister made it fairly clear in the meeting that they were willing to look at alternative models and consider those on their merits... I think [we got] for the first time an indication at least that there's a willingness to revisit the model that they've put forward in the budget."

PUP leader Clive Palmer has been interviewed on ABC 24.

Do you see yourself as a bomb thrower in Canberra?

"Our role is to exercise our mandate."

Is your prime motivation in coming to Canberra to destroy Tony Abbott?

"I'm not happy with Campbell Newman, but I wouldn't put Tony Abbott in that category."

Does the US expect to intervene in Iraq? Would it expect Australia to be involved?

"We stand ready to be asked by the next Iraqi government of how we can be of help ... We respect Australia's insights and we value their counsel."

BUT

"It's not for us to ask for assets to be deployed in this area, it's for the Iraqi government and once they do, it is for our independent governments, Australia and the United States, to make our own determinations ... I think that gives you a current answer on that."

Last year, just before they moved to Australia, Berry and Yee married in a ceremony in Washington DC.

He is asked if same-sex marriage will eventually happen in Australia.

Berry says that this is an issue for Australians to decide.

But he is happy to talk of his own experience.

"I never dreamed that my partner and I would have the privilege and the right to be able to marry in our lifetime ... I thought after 17 years, this would not be anything new ...

But both of us [found] it was so ennobling and sustaining to have your family and friends come out and bless and support very visibly our love for each other ... that sustainment I will take with me to my grave ...

We wish Australia well in its debate on this issue."

 

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Would you like to see more focus on climate change at the G20?

"It's one the United States will raise in every international forum. It is one we will continue to press ... It is of critical importance ... not only to Americans but to the world."

Nick Butterly from the West Australian asks about internet piracy.

And Game of Thrones.

Do you have some sympathy with illegal downloaders given HBO's exclusive deal with Foxtel?

"I don't want to wade into your cable wars," Berry says, but notes he is a "great fan" of the books and show.

He says intellectual property must be protected, so as not to undermine the next wave of innovation and creativity.

 

The Q and A has begun at the Press Club.

John Berry is asked about Australia/US behind-the-scenes efforts to free Peter Greste and his Al Jazeera colleagues.

"The United States strongly condemns the decision that has been taken in Egypt ... we cannot let this decision stand."

We take a break from the Press Club for a moment for some other updates:

Former speaker Peter Slipper has been in court in Canberra today, where he is seeking to have fraud charges against him dropped on mental health grounds.

The court has heard that the pressure on him over the allegations drove him to try and take his life. The Canberra Times' Megan Gorrey reports.

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New modelling shows that university students could pay $80,000 more for a degree and take twice as long to pay off their debts under a deregulated fee system.

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Attorney-General George Brandis has urged Australia's most senior Islamic leaders to use their "moral authority" to discourage Muslims from going to fight with extremists in Syria and Iraq.

 

Peter Slipper arrives at the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday. Photo: Jay Cronan

Peter Slipper arrives at the ACT Magistrates Court on Wednesday. Photo: Jay Cronan

But with reference to the South China Sea, the US Ambassador says: "we oppose the use of intimidation, coercion or aggression to settle any country's claims".

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Berry tells the Press Club, "let me be clear, the United States welcomes the peaceful rise of a prosperous China".

He says that among China and the US' proudest achievements together has been work to protect the highly endangered giant panda.

He adds that the uncle of his partner, Curtis, was the first Chinese-American ever elected to the United States Senate.

 

Before Berry got going, the room was treated to a lunch of fish with a purple mash.

We hope this does not do any damage to the alliance.

Labor foreign affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek is there at the Press Club, but Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is not (she will have to catch up via the teevs.)

"We are not allies because of geography. We are not allies because it is convenient. We are not allies out of obligation. We are allies because we share the common foundational values of liberty, justice, democracy and respect for human dignity and freedom," Berry says.

"In our darkest days we have stood together and we always will ... We are grateful for your support on September 11 ... We remember."

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry is addressing the National Press Club.

Berry presented his credentials to Quentin Bryce last September.

He says that he and his partner Curtis Yee are feeling "very much at home here in Australia".

 

 

 

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

US Ambassador to Australia John Berry addresses the National Press Club. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Over in Committee Room 2S3, Prime Minister Tony Abbott is attending the release of the General Sir John Monash wartime papers.

He praises the general's "unquenchable patriotism" and his genius for military leadership. 

You can find more than 10,000 pages of General Sir John Monash's papers online at the Australian War Memorial website.

 

Labor MP Andrew Leigh is speaking on the Excise Tariff Amendment (Fuel Indexation) Bill 2014.

He says the fuel tax and its resulting "slush fund" is as "useful as a one-way bridge".

The Coalition's Ewen Jones - and his Wimbledon tie - ain't buying it.

"If we don't build the roads of the 21st century ... we won't be able to get our bush to market."

 

The media release has just dropped for Clive Palmer's 5.30pm appearance this evening.

"Entry to the Great Hall must be made via the goods lift ... late arrivals will not be permitted entry to the Great Hall."

We can also report that the public governance bill has passed the lower house.

Labor had tried to move an amendment to keep the Commonwealth Cleaning Services Guidelines, but was unsuccessful.

The debate has now moved on to the fuel tax.

 

And now some hopeful news for the Coalition.

The appropriations (supply) bills have passed the Senate.

So there is (some) money for governing!

Rainbow over Canberra on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Rainbow over Canberra on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

What are the chances?

Who should be having breakfast at the cafe Bill Shorten visited this morning with pensioners but Julia Gillard's former speechwriter, Michael Cooney.

 

Former speechwriter to former PM Gillard, Michael Cooney, having breakfast at the cafe visited by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten to meet with pensioners. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Former speechwriter to former PM Gillard, Michael Cooney, having breakfast at the cafe visited by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten to meet with pensioners. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

An update on that Clive Palmer carbon/mining tax presser.

It will now be held this evening at 5.30pm.

In the GREAT HALL.

(How fancy.)

A spokesman for Palmer said that it had been difficult to get a space at Parliament this evening.

There is even talk that the press conference will be about more than just the carbon/mining taxes. The spokesman predicted the other issue could run as a story for "days".

We don't like to post speculation here, but in this case, think it is important to give you the FYI.

Heath Aston has the latest on PUP manoeuvrings here.

 

 

What else is prancing this morning?

Political correspondent James Massola writes about the government putting its review of workplace laws on ice. It doesn't want a barney on yet another front.

In another exclusive, Matthew Knott reports that the review into public broadcasting is suggesting that we pay for some ABC iView content. Wha?

And David Wroe has the latest on Peter Greste. Where to now after Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has said he will not "interfere" in judicial rulings?

 

"You did it first. So there." 

This is a paraphrase of the debate currently happening in the House.

Nationals MP Michael McCormack is speaking on the public governance bills.

He complains that he had wanted to speak during the Gonski debate under Labor but was gagged.

He adds: "Labor are no friends of the public service".

 

 

 

 

Back in the House, the enshortened debate is happening on that public governance bill.

The government has only allowed for 60 minutes of debate, plus 20 minutes for "consideration in detail".

For the fuel tax, the government has allowed two hours for debate.

"Tony Abbott should stop running from this unfair budget," Tony Burke has said in a fresh baked statement.

In the Senate, Labor continues to talk about how crepe the budget is.

(Sorry, last time we use that pun, promise.)

Joe Ludwig is letting rip with a searing speech about the Coalition's "unaffordable" paid parental leave scheme.

"Give it up."

 

This works, because according to Labor, the budget is really crepe.

Shadow Families and Payments Minister Jenny Macklin, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Shadow Assistant Treasurer Andrew Leigh meet with pensioners at Cafe Breizh in Ainslie. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shadow Families and Payments Minister Jenny Macklin, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Shadow Assistant Treasurer Andrew Leigh meet with pensioners at Cafe Breizh in Ainslie. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

During his visit to Ainslie Bill Shorten, Jenny Macklin and Andrew Leigh met with some pensioners at a crepe cafe.

 

Shadow Families and Payments Minister Jenny Macklin and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten meet with pensioners at Cafe Breizh in Ainslie. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shadow Families and Payments Minister Jenny Macklin and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten meet with pensioners at Cafe Breizh in Ainslie. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Shorten looks like he is taking some inspiration from Clive Palmer.

Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme is Titanic Mark II, he says.

"It's a slow motion disaster and he should drop it rather than do over pensioners in Australia."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten is at the Ainslie shops in Canberra.

(By the by, where you can buy the best bacon in Australia.)

But he is not talking about pork products.

He is talking about the budget.

"We cannot allow this unfair budget and many of its aspects to pass without a fight."

After all that reading, no wonder the PUP leader needed to sit down.

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer and Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Clive told the gathered crowd that he read the book overnight on Monday between 7pm and 7am with a few naps in between.

 

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru, at Parliament House. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru, at Parliament House. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Just back to Clive for a mo.

Last night he made an appearance at a book launch at Parliament House.

He joined with Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young and Labor's Melissa Parke for the launch of an eyewitness account from inside Nauru.

AKA

"The Undesirables: Inside Nauru" by Mark Isaacs, a former Salvation Army employee.

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer, Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young and Labor MP Melissa Parke during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Palmer United Party leader Clive Palmer, Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young and Labor MP Melissa Parke during the launch of Mark Isaacs' eyewitness account from the detention centre in Nauru. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

One unhappy camper on the Senate crossbench is Democratic Labour Party Senator John Madigan.

"We won't be bludgeoned, we won't be hijacked, we won't be taken for fools," he told the Senate last night.

This comes after Eric Abetz wrote to the new crossbenchers warning them that the next fortnight of sittings in July could be expanded to deal with the carbon and mining taxes.

Staying on the topic of the budget, later tonight (circa 7pm) Clive Palmer is set to reveal his position on the carbon and mining taxes.

He has of course made several loud noises about this before.

But this is understood to be a more final noise.

Palmer is then due to meet Tony Abbott tomorrow morning at 8am.

If you're wondering why this important meeting is happening after the press conference ... you're not alone.

 

 

In the Senate, the budget's appropriation bills are being debated.

While these should be passed - no worries - by the Red Room, it provides an opportunity for Labor senators to talk about how bad the budget is.

But there are actual worries with other (non supply) measures of the budget.

Like billions of dollars worth of holes in it types of worries.

Mark Kenny has the tale here.

 

 

The government has used its numbers to "manage" the debate on the public governance bill.

It is now doing the same with its Fuel Tax bill.

Chris Bowen is also outragedeth.

"Has there ever been a government which has wanted to talk about a budget less than this one?"

The House is sitting.

And it has begun with more debate "management" from Christopher Pyne.

Pyne wants to gag debate on the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2014.

He says it is unfortunate, but it needs to be passed by the new financial year.

Tony Burke is outraged. This bill would ammend about 250 acts to "support the implementation of the Public Governance, Performance and Acountability Act 2013".

(This bill, passed in 2013, set up a uniform set of duties for all officials who use or manage public resources among other worthy bureaucratic things.)

If you're reading this, we hope you've already had a coffee.

 

Yesterday in Labor's frontbench reshuffle, novelist, heckler and sportsman Graham Perrett got a promotion.

He will be Mark Dreyfus' right hand dude as shadow parliamentary secretary to the shadow attorney-general.

Perrett was out early this morning for a brisk walk.

Good to see that he is keeping up the work-life balance despite these new responsibilities.

 

The newly promoted Shadow Parliamentary Secretary to the Attorney-General, Graham Perrett, on an early morning walk around Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The newly promoted Shadow Parliamentary Secretary to the Attorney-General, Graham Perrett, on an early morning walk around Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

It is Wednesday in Canberra.

Where the sun is up and at 'em.

Sunrise from Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Sunrise from Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

US Ambassador John Berry is at the Press Club as the budget debate continues in earnest up at Parliament.

Did you know there is $25 billion hole in the big B?

Sunrise from Parliament House in Canberra on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Sunrise from Parliament House in Canberra on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

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  • Palmer has taken a half-way position between a government that wants to form an Axis Of Evil to agitate against climate action, and an opposition that takes the Climate Crisis seriously.

    Whilst we should welcome his decision to support the CEFC, the CCA and the RET, we must not forget that PUP and the Coal-ition government has still turned Australia into a nation of Leaners, not Lifters, on global climate action.

    Commenter
    Cee Bee
    Location
    Election Now!!
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:33PM
    • Yep it could be worse but it could be better.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:47PM
  • Three cheers for Al Gore and Clive Palmer!!!

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:15PM
  • New Zealand already has an emissions trading scheme, right? That means that the ETS, now with the support of Clive and the Labor Party, is good to go!

    Commenter
    Cee Bee
    Location
    Election Now!!
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:15PM
  • The bloody double standards of Al Gore, whose made a fortune doing public speaking on Climate change, YET lives in a Mansion from all reports and every night has just about every single light bulb burning inside for hours on end. lit up like a XMAS Tree....All I'm going to add is if Palmer and Gore go out for a feed, then Gore had better make sure he's first one at the Buffet table ahead of Palmer.

    Commenter
    Mike
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:14PM
  • Clive may have gotten into parliament for the wrong reasons but now that he is there he seems to not only be enjoying the power and playing with Abbott's simple mind he is also accepting some responsibility to act in the national and global interest.

    Commenter
    Graeme Henchel
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:13PM
  • So, is the ETS amendment a condition of the carbon tax repeal bill which legally obliges an ETS set at zero to be set up and - become effective - when our "trading partners" take action - whenever that is?

    Commenter
    Niall
    Location
    Darwin
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:12PM
    • That have been the ALP position ever since they lost the election - abolition of the CT and replace it with an ETS. Not the useless Direct Action. The CT has a sunset clause anyway. To be replaced by an ETS in 2015 - no big deal if it is shorten by a few months

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:27PM
  • ...and how is this different from exactly what the ALP has been spruiking for the last 12 months. Exciting, earth shattering? Hardly.

    Commenter
    MP
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 6:00PM
  • Well what did we make of that? Another start in the right direction rather than going backwards. Cons will have a late night tonight I expect.
    Devil will be in the detail but looking good for the CEFC and an ETS ( what's new ).
    See what tomm brings!

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:54PM
    • He is ditching the carbon tax is expected, what's the issue?

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:59PM
    • Well, speaking as an ALP flavoured greenie, I can live with that. CEFC being kept and an ETS in the pipeline is a reasonable compromise.

      Commenter
      Mr Ed
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:07PM
    • It was Clive saying, no carbon tax but, PUP supports clean energy.

      Tony couldn't have bought that kind of publicity, except in the Immigration area where he pays something like fifty public relation spin doctors to make it seem like he spun the boats around.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:09PM
    • WOW
      Tony says the Carbon Tax is worth $30bn!!
      That is effectively $6,000 for the average family!
      I look forward to his repealing the tax so my power bill can go down by $6,000.
      Wait a minute...... My power bill has never been $6,000. How can that be?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:29PM
    • I don't understand a zero price ETS. Apart from that all seems too good to be true hence my 'devil in the detail' comment.
      Good stuff. AND so glad he can see how farcical DA is.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:29PM
  • Even the Clive wants to vote down the Carbon Tax, the only realistic way he has to get an ETS up is NOT to vote down the carbon tax and wait 12 months for it to kick into an ETS.

    I don't think he'll do that though.

    Commenter
    The Banker
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:51PM
    • That's the great danger. Clive & co will vote with the gov't to abolish the carbon tax with an amendment that an ETS will be established. Unless the establishment of an ETS is made an absolute condition for the abolition of the carbon tax and that one cannot happen without the other, the gov't will abolish the tax and sit on its hands with the establishment of the ETS. Yet another Lieberal mess for Labor to fix.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:10PM
    • That's the great danger. Clive & co will vote with the gov't to abolish the carbon tax with an amendment that an ETS will be established. Unless the establishment of an ETS is made an absolute condition for the abolition of the carbon tax and that one cannot happen without the other, the gov't will abolish the tax and sit on its hands with the establishment of the ETS. Yet another Lieberal mess for Labor to fix.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:10PM
    • That's the great danger. Clive & co will vote with the gov't to abolish the carbon tax with an amendment that an ETS will be established. Unless the establishment of an ETS is made an absolute condition for the abolition of the carbon tax and that one cannot happen without the other, the gov't will abolish the tax and sit on its hands with the establishment of the ETS. Yet another Lieberal mess for Labor to fix.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:10PM
  • What a lovely bit of nonsense that whole stunt from Clive Palmer was!

    Commenter
    Jack Black
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:51PM
    • Jack
      But it is great to see PUP adopting Greens policy.
      He appears more green than the Greens!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:31PM
  • Yet another political masterstroke by Clive.

    Even the "Brick with Eyes" impressed with his introduction.

    I wonder, however, what ol' Al really thought of the theatre - very odd bedfellows.

    Commenter
    Jason Gold Coast
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:49PM
  • Good on yer Clive baby!.......Clive Robin Hood Palmer.....up yours Abbott!

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:44PM
  • And they were all left milling around as Clive went off to dinner.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:44PM
  • Regardless of which side of the fence you're on, you've got to admit it's been a long time since we've had anyone this entertaining in Australian politics!

    Commenter
    Jules
    Location
    Freo
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:22PM
    • Well a clown is always entertaining.

      Commenter
      The Tory
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:12PM
    • Agree.

      Whatever you think of Clive, he's different, rich, and full of surprises.

      Who'd think, for instance, he'd share a podium with Al Gore?

      The next two years will be very interesting, with both of the established parties out-manoeuvred by his idosincracies.

      Commenter
      Jason Gold Coast
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:16PM
    • @tory. No. Abbott is frightening,and not the least bit entertaining.

      Commenter
      Tony2
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:36PM
  • Oh well Helen can help Hubby undermine Naptime now she has a bit more spare time on her hands.
    And good riddance to the faceless man, Farrell.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:10PM
  • Retiring senators vs a previous VP of the USA - hmmm - no real contest. Of course can't see the Blue Eye Boys lining up - Al's politics won't tick their boxes.

    Commenter
    Hmmm
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 5:01PM
  • Catching up on the House today.
    Speaker lays dinosaur eggs!
    Labor need a revolving door installed on House of Representatives.
    Revolving doors are energy efficient as they prevent drafts (via acting as an airlock), thus preventing increases in the heating or cooling required for the building and a lot of people to pass in and out.
    Debate takes on speed dating format.
    A dad in budgie smugglers embarrassing daughters and a lot on university students.
    Commonwealth cleaners have more rubbish to clean up and less pay.
    Clive hatches dinosaur egg!

    Commenter
    Koel
    Location
    Central Qld
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:54PM
    • A dad in budgie smugglers gets my vote as the most embarrassing visual. Never mind that the dad happens to be one of our leading (?) Australian politicians.

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:13PM
  • Happy to read the positive comments from Gerry Harvey supporting Tony Abbott in wanting to get people to work past the age of 70.

    Unfortunately Gerry would be to old for every company I've worked for in the past,

    How many over 70's are working at Harvey Norman ?

    Commenter
    Rod
    Location
    the Coast
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:50PM
    • Just the one.

      Commenter
      Geriatric
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:54PM
    • Says it all, doesn't it?

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:06PM
    • Yeah just the one. Everybody knows the reality of work, getting it and keeping it, for older Australians.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:06PM
  • Thats the problem Lyn you want and expect everyone else to sort your problems out for you. But instead of being comfortably unemployed with little reason to get out there and do something you are now thinking u will have to.Great - its working! Were you moaning at the lack of jobs when Labor was in charge? Thought not.

    Commenter
    hodster
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:43PM
    • There were a lot more jobs then - far better policies.

      Commenter
      Rant on
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:55PM
    • You are a very angry man/woman @hodster,

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:01PM
    • Nice rant unfortunately there were more jobs under Labor, as there always is.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:33PM
    • not angry at all.. just dont like the whinging and whining of all those people who think they are owed a living and cant be bothered to get off their backsides and try and improve their lot. Simple.

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:48PM
    • @hodster - angry I'd say. Claiming people are inherently lazy and won't get off their butts....
      I say: Prove it!
      If what you say is fact, then you can prove it (rather than just 'claim it').

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:05PM
    • Hodster, no I don’t .

      Apologies my irony was beyond you and will try not to use it here. I am one of the lucky ones and don’t have any financial problems and only first world other ones. Touch wood. Yet I don’t assume that it’s all due to my natural talents or that unemployment is always a lifestyle choice, the unemployed are bludgers or taking advantage.

      Your omniscience super power is failing as all assumptions about me incorrect.

      Rather than deflect to your fantasies about my views and behaviours which are irrelevant, got anything to say about the point I raised – how 1.2m under/un/employed go into 140k jobs?

      Further how do all those unemployed create jobs for themselves? Particularly if they have no Govt support whatsoever for up to 6 months of the year, as proposed by Govt?

      Most people are not self employed so all the get up and go or expensive qualifications in the world, won't get everyone a job.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:15PM
    • Hodster, no I don’t .
      Apologies my irony was beyond you and will try not to use it here. I am one of the lucky ones and don’t have any financial problems and only first world other ones. Touch wood. Yet I don’t assume that it’s all due to my natural talents or that unemployment is always a lifestyle choice, the unemployed are bludgers or taking advantage.
      Your omniscience super power is failing as all assumptions about me incorrect.
      Rather than deflect to your fantasies about my views and behaviours which are irrelevant, got anything to say about the point I raised – how 1.2m under/un/employed go into 140k jobs?
      Further how do all those unemployed create jobs for themselves? Particularly if they have no Govt support whatsoever for up to 6 months of the year, as proposed by Govt?
      Most people are not self employed so all the get up and go or expensive qualifications in the world, won't get everyone a job.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:22PM
    • Hodster your views as well as being out of step with the majority's, are simple but the problem is not.

      "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H.L Mencken

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:32PM
  • Al Gore whose mansion/residence uses US$100,000 of energy each year, no wonder he's flown in on his private fuel guzzling jet to talk with Australia's coal baron. Is that why Hanson-Young was gushing over Clive this morning, must have got the early heads up and a reserved front seat.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:42PM
    • You have a copy of his power bill? Or did you get Tony and Joe to try to read it? That worked well last time, didn't it!

      Commenter
      Rant on
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:56PM
    • Guess we'll find out soon @eie.....nervous?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:02PM
    • One day, Enough is Enough, you will actually address the issue instead of attacking the person. IF Gore is a hypocrite, it doesn't mean that what he says about climate change is incorrect.

      Commenter
      Prose
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:43PM
  • Sideshow to the main event:
    Blame leaks for the poll result in 2013
    Bring back the leaker
    Blame the leaker for the loss in 2014
    Forget every ineptitude
    and vilify all who are not of the union faith.
    MRRT failed because it was ill thought out and dropped on the public without Keating's clever approach to slow consultation.
    Gore just made another fortune; private planes have a big carbon footprint - more than ms milne's travel but only just

    Commenter
    SK Ared
    Location
    ACT
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:37PM
  • Clive and Al !

    Has Clive finally accepted that climate change is an important economic issue ?

    Commenter
    Rod
    Location
    the Coast
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:35PM
  • steve there was no bucket of cash for them the last time. The so called bucket of money $20 Billion was only a drop in the bucket after Howard squandered over $300 billion dollars of mining taxes revenue.
    With nothing to show for all that spending except electoral bribes.

    Commenter
    DWM
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:26PM
    • Yes, people tend to forget that Howard kick-started and openly nurtured the middle-class welfare system. But the LNP squad ensure they forget this valble information.

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:34PM
    • The Howard mining boom was a piddler compared with the boom we have seen over the last few years - record volumes of ore, record prices and record terms of trade.

      And what do we have for ALP government through the largest mining boom the country has seen -

      $300 Billon debt and $200 Billion of deficits.

      What did the ALP do with all the money???

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:21PM
    • @Andie - are you working? Did you retain your job throughout the GFC? Well, I can't possibly imagine what you'd have to whinge about... Seriously!

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:52PM
    • Andie
      They saved the economy.
      Would you prefer they didn't?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:01PM
  • Perhaps Al Gore has heard how great the food at the Wild Duck is - he and Clive are doing a quick presser before heading off for some spring rolls and szechuan chicken.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:25PM
    • Maybe Al can see in Clive what he knows is not present in our illustrious PM, a man of common sense a an inkling of decency. "Stop the repeal" Go Clive!!!!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:32PM
    • Hopefully they will be discussing Abbott's transition from lame to dead duck.

      Commenter
      Bring on the DD Clive
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:35PM
    • They will like that.
      Presser duck. Yummy

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:45PM
    • @Get Real - I would hope that it is because of Abbott's visit to ''Canadia'' and the US - where people thought, ''What the..." with Australia initially leading the climate action charge and then doing a 180 degree spin and opting to trail behind the rest of the world.
      If Leonardo DiCaprio can speak out about the Great Barrier Reef - why can't Clive talk to Al about what changes we are heading toward?

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:46PM
    • Sure Clive has a more polished turn of phrase than the PM appears to.

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Foggy Vision
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:47PM
    • Hacks, do you ever get out of character?

      I feel like you are a Stephen Colbert representing the political right satirically with an obvious political leftist agenda!

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:47PM
    • C'mon. Hacks tells us what you're really thinking.
      A bit shocked?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:47PM
    • SSShhhhhhhh @SimpleLan - the right think that ST Colbert is on their side......

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:58PM
    • Meanwhile, the Greens are choking on their gluten free tofu burgers.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:00PM
    • @ Jump. It's Leo that finally persuaded Clive. He was on board the Titanic! All very real to Clive.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:04PM
    • @Lyn - Then Wild Duck

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:14PM
  • 3.48pm Mumbles the nations most embarrassing dad? As well as the most embarrassing PM? We need another accolade to give the poor feller a trifecta.

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:14PM
    • most embarrassing coal lobby sycophant in a southern US state?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:18PM
    • i'd say the uncool dad kid vote came from the Big Brother my daughters are hot cringe

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:18PM
    • Australia's Greatest Liar?

      Commenter
      Not so hard
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:22PM
    • How about how many lies he told (pre-election) that haven't been followed through post-election (commonly known as 'broken promises')?
      That would make it a tidy trifecta - don't you think?

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:22PM
    • Most embarrassing Rhodes Scholar!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:23PM
    • Most embarrassing squaddies.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:26PM
  • Clive and Al Gore are hooking up later today? Jeez if ever there was a meeting of extremists! Why can't we just have a meeting of powerful sensible people who know the science and want to reign in carbon emissions in a gradual and sensible way? For example carbon pricing which does not hurt an economy - as we have shown.

    Commenter
    What's going on?
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:08PM
    • Oh you mean powerful, sensible people such as in the LNP, Dick Warbuton and IPA fellow travellers?
      Loud guffaw.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:15PM
    • oh yes thats right Australia should be leading the way on that because they are world leaders and everyone else will follow. Carbon tax was really great and so successful that everyone else is getting one ASAP... oh hold on.......

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:22PM
    • Exactly hodster the only ones going away from Carbon pricing are Australia and Canadia!

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:35PM
    • @Lyn. Exactly. Extremism is all the go with this government. There own kind like Morrison and Brandis, and their friends like Bolt and Jones.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:52PM
    • Hodster, holding on has been known to
      constrict blood flow and thus affect the perception of reality.

      Australia is the world champion emitter of CO2, so it seems very reasonable to me, as well as admirable. ambitious and economically sound, that we have the aspiration of being world class in the clean up and emissions reduction. A market based mechanism is acknowledged as the most efficient and effective way to do so.

      Market based mechanisms are being implemented all over the world to address CT, either at National or sub-national levels. I read 90 schemes in existence so far. Repealing will go against the trend.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:55PM
    • hey get real...sorry to say this but can you get real please and stop telling rather large porkies!

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:57PM
    • No more extreme than the current Government.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:43PM
    • Too late for that. All the planet of the ape global warming denyist have handed over our planets future to the PUP's. DH's!!!!!

      Commenter
      Andy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:00PM
  • I would like to know why the PUP is getting more media attention than the Greens who have more MPs in the Federal Parliament. Once again the hate media is ignoring the great work the Australian Greens are trying to do.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 4:02PM
    • because if you have a choice to go to Punch and Judy or a Latin lecture, you go to Punch and Judy. Mightn't learn much but you'll have fun

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:11PM
    • Its just depressing!

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:19PM
    • hahaha funny comment of the day " all the good work the GREENS are trying to do"... brilliant.. thanks for that

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:24PM
    • Pluto you get my comment of the day award.*

      (so as not to raise expectations, this comment IS the award. Not worth the paper it isn't written on, I know.)

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:31PM
    • see, Punch and Judy appeals to them

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:38PM
    • Whoops I see that I posted my comment about Pluto's comment of the day, in the wrong place.

      But how strange, that completely independently, hodster just above referred to comment of the day.

      Some kind of morphic resonance going on. Do do do do.........

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:40PM
  • Clive and Al, crikey!!!!!!!! Would've thought it. Anthony John will be in a spin.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:59PM
    • If it's true it's delicious.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:02PM
    • And if it's true, on top of being declared the nation's most embarrassing dad! Beautiful.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:07PM
    • What the?

      Gotta give it to the big fella, he keeps you guessing/

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:07PM
    • Pluto, Ditto, he must be prophetical after all. " The Dorky Dad" is now nationally acknowledged.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:12PM
    • "3:57pm: In breaking Palmer news, former US vice-president Al Gore will join Clive Palmer in his press conference today at 5.30pm."

      This may pressage a different result than anticipated from the PUP/Palmer deliberations on supporting CT repeal.

      The temperatures rising - not just from climate change!

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:12PM
    • Lyn, yes intriguing. maybe that was the grin SHY had on her face this morning.
      Quite a development.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:18PM
    • @A country gal. Some countries get a leader they can call the "father of the nation" but we get, as you say, "The Dorky Dad."

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:18PM
    • Tony will be in a spin, he has been ever since September when he thought he won the HOR and the Senate.

      Clive and Al, well, that just cements Tony in the ground that he thought was his sacred to him.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:20PM
    • Dave a hard one for the Govt to beat. they will be pulling what's left of their hair out. Trust none of them had a Presser planned for 5.30.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:27PM
    • No wonder Clive needed a bigger space!

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:30PM
    • Pluto, what to fit both their ego's in?
      I do feel a bit hopeful, though. Not sure what to expect - except a big upstage of the pathetic Govt at the very least.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:43PM
    • Pluto "Some countries get a leader they can call the "father of the nation" but we get, as you say, "The Dorky Dad."

      Pluto you get my comment of the day award. *

      *(so as not to raise expectations, this comment IS the award. Not worth the paper it isn't written on, I know.)

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:46PM
  • Looking at the likes and dislikes button accompanying pictures etc, it seems somebody has discovered how to clear their cache and keep hitting the button of their choice....or there's a concerted group effort happening. Sad, sad lives some have.

    Commenter
    Otwen
    Location
    Well away from Canberra.
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:59PM
    • Not really! As confirmed by the opinion polls not many people like TA or his inept government.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:13PM
    • I don't think anyone could be bothered cheating - the results here are pretty much the same as all the other polls, even NewsPoll - Abbott is detested. Can't spin it any better than that I'm afraid.

      Commenter
      Tony2
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:16PM
    • Never saw those buttons until you highlighted them just now. Wouldn't bother clicking them either. Just as much of a waste of time as Face Book is... Who cares?

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:26PM
    • They sit pretty much single digit either way and then there's a huge rush. Somebody's having a lend...not that it means anything at all really...just commenting on how people get a bit too serious.

      Commenter
      Otwen
      Location
      A long, long way from Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:39PM
    • Wouldn't get too excited. If you read -especially during QT it's often near impossible to know whether to like or dislike if you are that way inclined. You'll notice many are hardly ever used.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:39PM
  • Finally we have a government that is going about its business and trying to get the job done properly. One that isnt so needy that it requires a press conference every other day just to get their faces and rather annoying voices on the T.V ( yes i do mean Julia and Kev). Yet despite this we get the shrill squawks from the left about just how bad they have it now and just how terrible it is that they cant sit around all day just collecting their benefits and watching their flat screen t.vs that were bought for them. The age of entitlement is over and its time that all of those who can, get up and start giving something back to the society that they are so happy to leech from. Stop whining and start winning for once.

    Commenter
    hodster
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:55PM
    • Well I hope you got that off your chest.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:57PM
    • gag me with a silver spoon
      the age of prosperity and equity is over, but the Tory's are entrenching their entitlements

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:59PM
    • All the LNP voting woman of calibre are indeed complaining that the gold plated PPL welfare that would fund the new luxury motor might be in doubt. Quelle Horreur - Age of Entitlement for some is alive and well

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Foggy Vision
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:00PM
    • Did you write this all on your own? It*s pretty original, especially the motivational sales spiel script about *winning not whining.*
      Hang on - 4pm - I*m wining.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:03PM
    • Everyone is an "entitled" bludger eh Hodster? It must be so wonderful to be one of Tony's perfect people and able to dump on anyone who doesn't agree with you.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:05PM
    • The age of entitlement is over but not for those such as the PM who will no doubt enrich himself further by exploiting expenses account.

      Commenter
      DWM
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:05PM
    • @hodster, so thoughtful and respectful as ever.

      2 1/2 years of this rubbish to go.

      Tick. Tick. Tick. Boom.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:16PM
    • Please hodster could you be more specific about what the entitled whiny little people should do, to be more winning?
      Us dimwits in ordinary land clearly do not have the same perspicacity as you, given your perspective from your big (LNP?) soap box.
      We need precise directions, in particular - how 730k whiny unemployed and a further 500k whiny underemployed can work or get work when there are 140k job positions available.
      Thanks for your help. We sure need it.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:27PM
    • Thats the problem Lyn you want and expect everyone else to sort your problems out for you. But instead of being comfortably unemployed with little reason to get out there and do something you are now thinking u will have to.Great - its working! Were you moaning at the lack of jobs when Labor was in charge? Thought not.

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:37PM
  • Tony Truthfull - this is a consultative and collegial government - pull the other one. PPL anyone ? Tony probably consults with himself looking in the bathroom mirror, and probably wonders what the person talking to him is on about

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:48PM
    • Maybe the "consultation" is Peta and the Top End of Town telling Tony what the agenda is to be

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Foggy Vision
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:56PM
  • Very very amused by Samantha Maiden's tweet @ 3:39pm. Clive has always played the media for suckers & quite successfully too.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:48PM
  • Or was it referring to the Cabinet as his Band of Merry (almost Women less) Men.

    Commenter
    Joe the POM
    Location
    Geelong
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:45PM
  • 3.31 not much chance for Greste, given the Govts views on human justice. Still paying refugees to go back to Iraq and now also can be sent back even with a 50/50 chance of torture.
    Habib anyone?

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:40PM
    • Yes country gal. I just can't believe it really. There is something very bad going on in the immigration system and Morrison's handling of it. It's quite pathological.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:48PM
    • Stop torturing torturing logic AGC, if the Egyptian government offered Greste 10K to risk returning to Australia, I'm pretty sure he would take the deal.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:51PM
    • SteveH - that is NOT the same comparison - and you know it
      Paying people to return to a possible death situation compared to returning home to a non-war situation, and loving parents?
      SteveH - you must have been using obtuse humour - surely... ?

      Commenter
      Jump
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:31PM
    • Who would ever forget, and we have Reith on another page giving his ideas on how not to go forward!!! In fact might be better if Abbott and Bishop stay out of it altogether.

      Commenter
      Amro
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:44PM
    • Amro,that he was dual citizenship and the rendition at the behest of the Us and us, in Egypt sadly ironic.
      Yes, best they stay out of it.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:59PM
  • More gets achieved on the Pulse than in the House during QT.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:35PM
  • Labor MPs will face more ejections until they learn to show respect for the Speaker. They have continuously been taking bogus points of order and have refused to keep quiet when the speaker has asked to do so. To his credit Tony Abbott showed a lot of class when he rescued ex Speaker Jenkins from a Labor plot to oust him so that they could install Peter Slipper-Labor won out in the end when they got Jenkins to fall on his sword.

    Commenter
    noitall
    Location
    Beacon Hill
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:22PM
    • Respect? For what? The worst, most biased and incompetent Speaker in our history!

      Commenter
      Really?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:32PM
    • Agree.......with the first 6 words.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:33PM
    • Class? Tony Abbott? You're kidding. He was only concerned about forcing an election. Labor just lost Craig Thomson and was down a vote. They needed Jenkin's vote to retain numbers in the Lower house and did a swifty to promote Slipper to speaker. Abbott was only ever about trying to force another election.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:39PM
    • As if the Liberals showed respect to Labor when they were in government. Oh come on.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:41PM
    • I would hazard a guess that Dolores is more likely to get a William Wallace *Braveheart* style salute than some forelock tugging show of respect that few think she personally deserves.She seems to show no respect for the position of speaker.

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:46PM
    • Really?-You have just confirmed Labor’s dumb attitude to the Speaker-may the ejection of the unruly Labor MPs continue-till they learn a lesson.
      Stevek-Tony Abbott is all class compared to Gillard, Rudd, Shorten and Albanese So you think that Labor should have been allowed to manipulate the Parliamentary procedure-just to prop up their rotten, debt ridden Government.
      Pluto-The Liberals never showed the open hostility to the Speaker that the Labor MPs are showing to this speaker-maybe they are misogynists. The Liberals never called for a vote against the speaker in fact they called for a vote to save Jenkins when Gillard wanted to oust him.

      Commenter
      noitall
      Location
      Beacon Hill
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:09PM
    • @noitall (what an ironic name): do you really believe that if the situation was reversed, that Tony Abbott would rather let his government fall rather than risk having to rely on the vote of a tainted MP (and don't try to kid us that such people don't exist in the LNP).
      As he was reported to say to Tony Windsor, he would he would do anything except sell his arse to get the job. Having failed, he then did everything he could to destabilise the government.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:20PM
  • Given that Scotty spoke about the opposition in his answer @ 3.07pm does this mean that he thinks the ALP are actually responsible for stopping the boats? If so it seems he is implying that clowns could do a better job than him. the first bit of Government honesty in a long time if thats the case.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:12PM
    • ... yes, seems that he has finally given credit where credit is due and not claimed it falsely for himself. The ALP 'you will not be settled in Australia' campaign did the trick long before Morrison arrived with his campaign of silence about boat arrivals.

      Commenter
      MP
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:29PM
  • Bishop steps up to inform us about the new passport which we pay over $200 dollars for, if you travel you'll notice loads of countries have these fancy chips now. I'd also like to know how can she cancel a passport of an Australian citizens? There's an Australian citizen in gaol right now accused of terrorism, he it's guilty we all know that but false accusations do happen. We are back on Howard's fear campaign that always work in Australia.

    Commenter
    Amro
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:05PM
  • Can't see Wayne Swan holding a budget paper. After messing up four budget surpluses he ain't touching one of those budget papers ever again. They are just bad luck aren't they Wayne?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 3:00PM
    • EIE,
      I think I understand the deflection, to "look at Wayne". Its too painful and embarrassing to look at LNP.
      The ball is in LNP court and they are dropping it.
      Any comments about that?

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:12PM
    • swan doesn't want to soil himself with the bs in the bludget

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:20PM
  • 2:51 - great photo.

    What about a caption - "Labor members all vote to support government budget".

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:58PM
    • It's too rough and tough to be toilet paper.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      innercity
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:01PM
    • How about "this Budget is thin on top"?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:04PM
    • They did vote the Appropriation Bill through Hacka. They other legislation is another matter

      Commenter
      This Budget Stinks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:05PM
    • With cost of firewood these days the budget paper may be good enough to keep the fire going for a cold winter night.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:12PM
    • I didn't see Labor pass a GP bulk bill kill bill.

      Must have only been you.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:24PM
    • What about "pick me, Mr Abbott, pick me".

      Mais51 - open fireplaces are now taboo here in Canberra - the Greens don't approve of them.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:41PM
    • what about "red card Sir Phoney, you're off"

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:47PM
    • Okay Hack, what is Al Gore doing with Clive?

      I Guess it is an ETS?

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:03PM
    • Good question SimpleLan, although Al's struggling for friends these days.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:10PM
    • steve there was no bucket of cash for them the last time. The so called bucket of money $20 Billion was only a drop in the bucket after Howard squandered over $300 billion dollars of mining taxes revenue.
      With nothing to show for all that spending except electoral bribes.

      Commenter
      DWM
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:13PM
    • yeah, Al Gore, what a loser - Oscar-and-Nobel winning Harvard graduate and Apple board member - yeah, he'd struggle for friends I reckkon hakkkeie

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:36PM
    • I would like to think that, however Al is totally on the left of Dick 'Hell Burton' Oil Me UP!

      Although, it is Tony that is struggling for friends these days. Not Al or Clive.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:39PM
    • @Hacka - Room sealed slow combustion wood burner heaters are very popular in Europe. May be you should consider them for your Canberra residence. Hate to see those packs of superseded budget papers go to land fill.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:23PM
  • irritable Bill syndrome....very good.....will we see that in the age tomorrow?

    Commenter
    billy bunta
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:52PM
    • Why would they do that when they could run NotByBoatt!

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:40PM
  • Is Burke playing hide and seek? more childish behaviour, and I thought the Greens were immature.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:49PM
    • No. He has suddenly realised that he could have had a decent profession but instead gave up his one and only life to politics.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:52PM
    • Compared to the government's spoilt brat behaviour, the rest are all OAP's

      Commenter
      Dolts in charge
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:25PM
  • Any photos of a remorseful Wayne Swan?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:27PM
    • Yes. Looking at this years budget and thinking how one side can wreck the economy he saved in one fell swoop.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:33PM
    • Hahahaha,

      Yes Wayne would have us back in Surplus again, like he promised the last 3 budgets....

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:48PM
    • I suppose having no debt at the time and a $20 billion surplus presented a huge challenge to the genius Swan

      Don't worry though, if another global bust happens things will be so much easier thanks to Sir Shorten of Debtville.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:48PM
    • That is what I call bright and intelligent voters getting their news and knowledge straight from Tony Abbotts mouth! And what could be more honest and accurate than that? Forget about the official OECD list that has Australia 3rd best country for economic growth and debt per GDP, Abbott's spin and lies are the way to go.

      Commenter
      Arthur Insidious
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:52PM
    • Stevie I presume if the sh*t hits the fan again the ALP will be returned to government to deal with the problem as they have throughout the history of our country.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:03PM
    • tasch2 - Not quite so quickly - you haven't given the LNP enough time to clean up the mess the ALP left behind and put the money back in the bank before history repeats itself with the ALP yet again blowing it.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:13PM
    • Smack. Is that the mess where everyone was able to keep their job when everyone else in the world was shedding them like the Government is breaking promises? Wow what a disaster. I cursed every month that my pay cheque arrived.

      You know as well as I that the Coalition will never have the wherewithal or fortitude to ever deal with a situation like the GFC or the Great Depression. This is why whenever these things come along they are unceremoniously booted in favour of people who actually have an idea.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:35PM
    • Tash, well there will be no bucket cash waiting for you next time my friend.

      Little Billy is going to make sure of that.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:40PM
    • Stevie I would have thought the amount pork barreling this bunch of clowns will need to do will put paid to any buckets of cash.

      Not much cash around when the ALP soothed the effects of the Depression.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:58PM
    • tasch2 - Ho ho ho - where to start eh? What hysteria to think Swanny saved my job and everyone else's - hilarious!! Where did the tuckshop overseer get the funds in the first place - ask Uncle Petey perhaps or give China a call?
      Secondly, what - we all knew the GFC was coming so we voted the LNP out beforehand(who'd been in for a decade) to bring in the ALP to save us? - hilarious again!! You should take up revisionist history-telling for a living - you're a natural.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:58PM
    • Schmuck, i repeat
      BEST TREASURER AWARD
      "Euromoney said Mr Swan had been given the award "for his careful stewardship of Australia's finances and economic performance, both during and since the global financial crisis''.

      But the magazine made clear it didn't think Mr Swan had single-handedly saved the nation's finances.

      "Swan has undoubtedly been blessed with a number of advantages, including inheriting a sound economy and the natural resources bounty that has allowed Australian trade with China in particular to boom.

      But he was credited with the correct strategy during the global financial crisis of 2007-08.

      The magazine applauded his "swift response to stimulate the economy'' despite "strong opposition at home'' and said he had "succeeded in getting most of the important decisions right'.

      "These include putting in place an exit strategy for the stimulus and sticking to it, imposing a fiscal discipline that many other finance ministers refusing to adopt,'' said the magazine's citation of Mr Swan.

      "Swan continued to deliver this strong and steady performance despite political difficulties at home, in which his Labor Party only has the smallest possible majority through the support of independent MPs.
      It said he joined a "roll-call of leading finance ministers, including Jim Flaherty of Canada and Alexei Kudrin of Russia."

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:02PM
    • Smack. Are you Santa Claus with all those Ho's? Swanny did save your job then. Its very simple. If all the Mummys and Daddys have money they can spend money on presents for their kids. They won't have any money if they don't have a job. If they are not spending money then all the other mummys and daddys who earn their money by selling other mummys and daddys goods and services will have no money either. This means they cannot employ people and more jobs are lost. This leads to recession.

      If private people aren't willing to spend money then the Government needs to. What this does is create demand which mummys and daddys, like the ones who build school halls, can fulfil and thereby earn some money for themselves. This in turns enables them to spend that money with those mummys and daddys who sell goods and services to earn money so they to can spend money. All very simple really.

      A country is not a household, the Government should step in when required to ensure the standard of living is maintained. Its about thinking for now as well as future generations. I would much rather my kids live in a first world country and perhaps have to see some of their tax dollars being spent to repay debts where they have every opportunity to prosper at the same time rather than from an economic basket case like Greece where you and your penny pinching friends would have us if you had your way.

      As for the rest take a look through history. It happens to often for it to be mere coincidence.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:17PM
    • rod - Remind me again - this Euro-crowd mob were the same blokes who were patting Lehman Brothers on the head too around the same time? Weren't they? Gee - they knew what they were about - weren't they?
      Did they say anything about the tuckshop overseer's inability to deliver a promised(over 536 times) surplus - any words there at all? "Stuck to a stimulus exit strategy" - ho ho ho - Swanny couldn't even keep under his own self-imposed 2.5% spending increase threshold - the closest he got was 3.7% and this was "restraint" - funneee...

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:23PM
    • Tasch2 - You're right - you should be Santa Claus instead because you keep giving me all these revisionist history gifts for me to merrily bat away. Swanny saved my job? A little secret - I'm self-employed and Swanny was never in a bulls-roar of saving my "job". Perchance, you don't happen to have a little statuette of Swanny or something in your house that you burn candles around or pound a drum in front of - just a thought?

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:40PM
    • Tasch2 - "Mummys & Daddys" - Think you need to run along now and get some "dins-dins" perhaps? Give the statue a pat for me too...

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:06PM
  • I am now convinced Bronwyn's intention is for us to throw up our hands and declare ourselves outclassed and defeated. She's won, she thinks, and we will make no more comment about her lack of independence as Speaker and her abysmal record in that role to date. Sorry not so.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:25PM
  • Go Bronnie - is it that serial offender the Member for Wakefield once more, or is Swannie back in the House ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:23PM
    • Not sure whether you follow the AFL there @theH, I reckon they'd be better off going back to the days when the captains decided the free kicks, or maybe even the captain of the home team? And a send off rule to (err) boot! I'm sure we finally have common ground on this one?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:40PM
    • Well davemac - yes we can share some common ground over the AFL - but i can't recall the days of captains acting as umpires.

      Frankly every time we hear about Bronnie supposedly being biased, it sounds like one team complaining about the umpire.

      We all remember Anna Burke, who's match statistics were little different to Bronnie's - a high number of disposals and contested possessions.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:47PM
    • Please tell me you're not an Essendon supporter.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Malbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:55PM
    • No davemac - not a premiership for my mob in 34 years, but we're very patient. Probably be another 34 years at this rate.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:05PM
    • 'Hacka' - yesterday you had the chance to comment on this video in relation to cuts to the ABC. Have you responded somewhere yet?
      If not let's try this:
      1. Watch video.www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAHNXdHai0g
      2. Does the man say there will be no cuts to the ABC and SBS?
      3. Is the man Tony Abbott?
      4. Is he the same Tony Abbott who is now cutting funds to the ABC?
      Simple yes or no answers needed.

      Commenter
      Election now
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:30PM
  • There is no debt crisis and budget emergency in Australia. Australia will continue to have a AAA credit rating. Abbott again is telling porkiy lies.

    Commenter
    Daniel
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:18PM
    • Daniel - Australia has just been through the rise of China, the mining boom and the best terms of trade ever. There could be no more ideal conditions for delivering a balanced budget.

      Labor not only couldn't even balance it - they put us $300 million in debt ! How can we have nothing but debt to show for boom times ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:27PM
    • Daniel - you need to get on board and start using the Tony Abbott's new dictionary and phrase book, it is a beauty! Amongst the words with new meaning are: crisis, open, honest, upfront, misogyny, no new taxes, conservationist, centre right, alliance, Canada, gold star, political duties, sharing the burden and one of personaly favourites mandate. -

      Commenter
      Credlinbility
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:28PM
    • How about a relevant response to the issue of a Credit Rating ? MIA in the same way as any utterances from Hacka.

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:33PM
    • MST - do you mean the last vestige of fiscal credibility that you guys hang on to ? The AAA was lost under Keating and regained by Costello.

      The IMF and World bank have warned if we don't rein in spending, the ratings could be subject to review - that's how close to the wind the Labor Concordia was sailing.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:41PM
    • @MST - credit rating from the same agencies that rated Subprime Mortgage bonds as AAA? Yes - they are creditable...

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:42PM
    • Hacka - the majority of our debt is because Labor wisely stimulated the economy to prevent recession and 4-5 times larger debt like the countries that went the austerity route during the GFC. Some of the debt is because Labor spent on infrastructure which Howard didn't, and Howard got to sell of assets and our gold reserves.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:43PM
    • QED - the combined GFC stimulus packages were $52 billion.

      The debt left was $300 billion.

      How do you explain the gap ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:50PM
    • Hacka.
      references I found say the stimulus was $80b, of which at least half of it, the LNP supported.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:59PM
    • Hacka - Little Johnny & Co left future Budgets with a major underlying structual deficit. Had they had been relected and continued with the pork barrell approach to bribing the electorate, but not responded to the GFC then they too would have had a deficit - and who knows the size of it. If the economy went into recession then their tax receipts would have dried up. Food for thought indeed. The opportunities of the mining boom were well squandered before 2007

      Commenter
      This Budget Stinks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:03PM
    • Lyn - Turnbull supported SP1 which was $10bn. Then came SP2 - $42bn, not supported by Coalition.

      Even if your $80bn is correct, why did Labor spend $220bn on top of that ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:04PM
    • Now the Global Financial Crisis was a 'Boom time'? And the ideal conditions under which to provide a balanced budget Hacka? Be careful not to choke on your own spin there! Spending was restrained during the Gillard/Rudd years, lower than under Howard's. Revenue was down demonstrating that it was absolutely not an ideal time to produce a balanced budget.

      Commenter
      JLD
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:06PM
    • Hacka - what has the current Govt spent all the money on that it has borrowed since September. I remember $8B gift to the RBA that it did not need or ask for ? The debt has blown out further since. If the Govt was serious about managing the bottom line it would be looking at the revenue side of the equation - FBT, Family Trusts, Super tax breaks, Negative Gearing come to mind. And tax minimisation, and a reduction in Company tax at a time when we can least afford it.

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:11PM
    • Hacka - it wasn't about spending, it was about the reduction in government revenue during a Global Financial Crisis. We avoided recession, but we did have reduced spend hence paid less tax.

      As you agreed a couple of days ago, Labor spent very close to the same as Howard. Labor also failed to roll back any of Howard's middle class bribes and structural welfare to corporates and the already rich like negative gearing or trust funds. They were also defeated it putting in a real MRRT.

      Commenter
      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:25PM
    • I only answer to rebut the misinformation inherent in what I think is another disingenous query by you Hacka (because I am confident you know what I write below was the case) and so newbies or the ill informed get the other side of your cherry picked narrative.

      Labor didn't spend all of it on new spending or measures they introduced, the debt partly arose from a revenue shortfall (falling tax revenues) and the requirement to continue the essential recurrent spending such as locked in welfare, health, education, defence, administration and bureaucratic spend that was in place before Labor came into power and which could not except around the edges be trimmed and not all at once without shocking the economy.

      Labor over the last 1.5 years of its last term did start to implement savings and reforms that would turn things around on the revenue and spending side. PEFO confirms this.

      Labor could have/should have done a lot of things differently or better and some of them not at all, but it is a wonderful advantage to stand on the high ground of hindsight and throw disparaging half truth boondies at Labor.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:35PM
    • QED, revenue never reduced at all. It actually increased, just not as much as Wayne wishfully hoped for. Also, Rudd & Wayne promised in 2007/2008 to limit spending growth to 2%. Remember Rudd's "This reckless spending must stop"? They never got there & spending grew at a faster rate than even during Howard's time and long after the GFC emergency was over.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:45PM
    • Lyn, QED - so you've both fallen for the sledgehammer hit line of Swan's, which was hysterical given the actual numbers contradicted the Swan comment. Did you also for the line that "we've returned to surplus", or "the four surpluses i announce tonight" ?

      It was all about the spending, which skyrocketed 36% in the first four Labor years, despite Rudd promising to be a fiscal conservative.

      Revenue did fall marginally in 2008-09 and 2009-10 due to the GFC but bounced back after that.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:02PM
  • When will the sisterhood come to the defence of this Dorothy Dixer? surely Tanya et al can seek some more changes to the English language dictionaries.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:15PM
    • EIE "When will the sisterhood come to the defence of this Dorothy Dixer?"

      Interesting EIE, that you think only the "sisterhood" is remiss for not reacting.
      That is sexist. Was that the intention?
      Nevertheless an example of the "subtle" sexism that Sue Boyce called out.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:38PM
    • Following on from sexist comments from @eie yesterday. Please continue your ramblings by all means but there's a line here.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:44PM
    • @Lyn. Sue Boyce said "subtle sexism" and then said that she didn't say what she said. The journalist got it wrong. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt but ended up thinking, typical Liberal saying one thing and claiming another. Then blaming someone else.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:50PM
    • Pluto, agreed the transcript of the interview shows she said exactly that about the male, pale and stale on her side.
      So she called it out, as I wrote, even though she now wished to recreate history.
      So yes, very LNP. Say one thing, deny you said it and then explain the listener ie (the journo in this case) heard incorrectly. Echoes of Gonski. Must be in the DNA.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:09PM
    • Reminds me more of Brave New World

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:35PM
  • Just interested from both sides about what we can do to fix the shambles that parliament has become - and I blame both sides for this. What about:

    1. The speaker is independent - eg retired judge

    2. You cannot ask a QT question to a member of your own party. Wouldn't it be better to have govt members also asking opposition shadows questions on a regular basis?

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:14PM
    • 1. Peter Slipper was an independent speaker until the LNP decided that his head should roll for jumping ship (before he was pushed)

      2. MPs can ask questions of their on party. It's known as a Dorothy Dixer. I can't see any point in asking questions of members of the Opposition. QT is used to probe government policies.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:25PM
    • Doubt there'll be any bipartisan attempt for the much needed change Dave. The Govt are quite happy with the current ill serving arrangement.
      Certainly needs reform.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:27PM
    • 3. The question has to be answered
      4. The answer must be relevant to the question - not to be taken as an opportunity to sprout about any old subject

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:31PM
    • MST I agree with that.
      But there is already a requirement for the answer to be relevant.

      The issue is the lack of enforcement of this by the very biased Speaker who allows her side to stray from the highway into the rutted lanes and byways of irrelevance and to stand on soapboxes when no props are allowed.

      Thus return to the fundamental need for reform to require an independent, unelected Speaker.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:46PM
    • For starters Bishop would have to be the worse speaker I've ever seen in my life

      Commenter
      Bill G
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:49PM
    • I would prefer a fully armed retired army general as speaker & no question time at all.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:52PM
    • so Louis, you plump for a man and no debate -
      excellent idea for a legislature

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:28PM
  • PM Abbott was at his best in the torrid interview Alan Jones and Graham Richardson gave him last night. Abbott is a class act and answered questions with intelligence and honesty. If only the likes of Shorten and Milne had the same qualities.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:12PM
    • I heard that interview. I thought the Prime Minister sounded ignorant and incompetent and that was with the benefit of the prepared script Jonesy gave him.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:32PM
    • On Radio - possibly read from a prepared answers from a list of well researched questions.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:32PM
    • Even by your low standards, EiE, that's just ludicrous.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:45PM
  • alternative to co-payment in user pays medicare... let me think...hmm first option on your kidneys should the worst happen? or if you really only need one? rack up a debt like HECS, payable as death duties? we could call it Debt Eliminating and True Health Scheme (DEATHS)....

    Commenter
    rod steiger
    Location
    toukley
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:11PM
  • Why this faux anger at a GP copayment of $7 when most Australians pay copayments on their GP visits, pathology tests, scans such as X-rays, MRIs, hospital stays, specialist doctor services and many other medical services. These copayments run into hundreds or thousands of dollars. And the national budget s held to ransom over $7 - it beggars belief.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 2:09PM
    • Totally agree, Tony Abbott should honour his election promise to not touch Medicare and drop the unfair $7 co-payment. Holding the country to ransom over an election lie is a disgrace.

      Commenter
      Credlinbility
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:19PM
    • This is a measure that was included in the 2014 Budget by the LNP. $2 goes to the GP. $5 Dollars goes to Medical Resaearch. $0 dollars go to fixing the LNP's bullshit budget crisis. Do the maths work for you?

      Commenter
      NotanIphone
      Location
      West Perth
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:21PM
    • If $7 is so apparently immaterial then the Govt should drop it. Those that cannot afford to pay anything towards a visit to the doctor can currently go to a bulk billing clinic - that will disappear under this proposal

      Commenter
      This Budget Stinks
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:23PM
    • gob-smacked
      enuff you do live in an insulated entitled environment - there are many Australians not as advantaged as you, who do not pay for hospital visits etc as currently it is paid for themm by the States and Commonwealth. Please absorb the fact many people live hand to mouth and a $7 co-payment is significant in the week's budget, especially as other benefits have been slashed for the aged, disabled and unemployed. Safety nets are for these people, and constitute the base of a fair and responsible society

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:24PM
    • rod,

      Why don't you read the proposal. Anyone that goes to the doctor "each week" would be exempt from the co-payment!

      The proposal includes a "safety net" for such people.

      How would you propose to fund the kind of medical research fund the government are proposing?

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:34PM
    • Exactly EIE,

      Currently the petrol companies alter their pricing by as much as 20c a litre within a week, and not a peep out of the Greens or Bleeding Hearts, but as soon as the Government wants to increase the price by 1c - it's outrageous!
      Same goes with the co-payment! The people complaining the loudest about the co-payment are those that can afford it, but won't accept it as a good policy because it came from Tony Abbott.

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:42PM
    • Nothing goes to Medicare nothing so how is it helping to keep healthcare sustainable .

      Commenter
      Amro
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:12PM
    • 82% of GP visits are bulk billed (from ABC factchecker). So most Australians are not paying copayments. Also the safety net is only for children under 16 and pensioners NOT for the chronically ill. Please stop spreading lies

      Commenter
      JLD
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:14PM
  • Come on Clive, listen to the STOP THE ROADS party, ditch the Roller and shut down your coal mines.

    As if.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 1:54PM
  • Clive please listen to the US Ambassador, it is not too late to change your mind and vote to support the price on carbon as its stand

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 1:36PM
    • Mais51, don't you remember Clive thinks that the whole CC hysteria is a CIA plot to destroy the Australian coal industry?

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:48PM
    • I reckon Clive will change his mind a few times between now and his "announcement". How did we ever get to this......

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:52PM
    • @Mais51 - how about politicians listen to the people who have spoken at the election to repeal the carbon tax. We are not Americans and do not take our orders from American diplomats.

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:11PM
    • @Lewis - That was Clive the Liberal speaking, not Clive the PUP speaking. Now that he has a few months in House under his belt and ..pillow. I am sure he wakes up to the fact that CT is not bad at all, he may even get more business from the US and China - the last thing he wants is a penalty on the products he sells to the world from a non - compliance country, as we surely will be classified as one.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:56PM
    • Mais51, you're dreamin.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:32PM
  • "It's one the United States will raise in every international forum. It is one we will continue to press ... It is of critical importance ... not only to Americans but to the world."

    And we are about to repeal the Carbon Price - what's a joke

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 1:32PM
    • Its embarrassing, irresponsible and will hasten the worst outcomes everyone who cares about the future, future generations and all the biodiversity on earth is trying to avoid.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:53PM
    • @Mais51 - no one is stopping you writing a cheque to the tax office pledging your funds to go towards carbon tax. you can do that with and without the carbon tax legislation. If the carbon tax is repealed and you select not to continue paying it then you are a hypocrite.

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:14PM
    • @Pawel - you answer reveals that you know very little about carbon tax. That a price to be paid by the people who generates the carbon - the polluters, not the average Australian - I am adequately compensated for the CT impost - why should I care. Beside if Abbott successes in repealing the CT I am ways ahead because you see I get to keep the Commonwealth compensation without ever having to pay the tax anymore - that is the dump thing about Abbott plan - and he is telling everyone about budget emergency. We don't have a budget emergency just yet - we certainly will have one as soon as Abbott cuts off his Carbon Tax or his revenue stream - very clever I'll say.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:43PM
    • @Mais51 - and here lies the problem - you are happy with the Carbon Tax provided you get the compensation! You lefties are happy to take taxpayer money but never happy to contribute. I am hoping Abbott changes his mind and repeals both the CT and the associated compensation.

      Commenter
      Pawel
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:27PM
  • "Entry to the Great Hall must be made via the goods lift ... " wonder who instructs such an in-dignify entry to the Great Hall to hear Clive talks

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 1:20PM
  • Julie Bishop not at the National Press Club? Because Julie Bishop must be getting exhausted. She appears to be the only one on her side doing any real work. Certainly the other Bishop isn't. And the boys? Just throwing their weight around in the house as usual.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 1:10PM
    • Yeah, who would have thought JB to be the Libs shining light? Guess the bar isn't that high.

      I'd written her off as a lightweight after the "Tony is the captain of our team, on the fields, off the field etc" episode of last year.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:55PM
    • @davemac. You're right the bar isn't that high. But you gotta hand it to her, she tries, and keeps on looking the part, doing her job in less than salubrious environments, both overseas and here in Canberra.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:16PM
  • How many of the audience understand the difference between Parental Leave paid for by the employer as part of Enterprise Agreement or Salary Package, and the Blue Sky dream of a Taxpayer program "cash splash with borrowed money" to fund well paid women to stay at home for 6 months ? Seems LNP staffers / cheer squad are having difficulty here. Or is it just another deflection away from the poor record in getting legislation through the Senate ?

    Commenter
    Really ?
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:58PM
    • Despite this PPL supposedly funded by an extra tax on big business I do agree that government has no business involving itself in what is a workplace entitlement. This just inefficiently further expands the size of government for no productivity gain.

      Having said that I would note that the generous PPL enjoyed by the public service is also paid for by the taxpayer as is the welfare entitlement treatment by the previous government of this issue. It should be left to the employer & the employee to work it out.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:38PM
    • @Really? I would think most do understand but despite that, some are determined to spin it that there is no difference.

      I ponder the reasons why they attempt to convince readers on here with that kind of approach. Perhaps it's because they know if they stated the truth their arguments would not stand up, so misrepresentation gives an otherwise logically and factually unsupportable position legs. Perhaps it also relies on a sense of superiority that no one will notice their "clever" subterfuge and accept any distortion by them as truth.

      Weird isn't it that they think they will convince many on here, using that kind of attempted deception.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:50PM
    • It was the ALP that gave public servants 6 months PPL at the full rate of pay and superannuation no matter what they earned and many earn $150,000 +.

      Why do the ALP value PS babies over other babies?

      If the government can afford to pay this largesse to PS women why not other women?

      Or should the ALP now be arguing to reduce the generosity of the PPL they gave the public servants?

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:51PM
    • Really,

      Who is the "employer" of the Public Servants that get 6 months full pay and super, no matter how much they earn? Who were the parties to that EBA?

      Are they the same parties objecting to the rest of Australians receiving a similar benefit?
      Feel free to answer this question before your knock-off at 4:51pm today....

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:05PM
    • Andie - perhaps all employers should be required to fund PPL - in the same way that they fund Annual Leave, Sick Leave, Long Service Leave, Superannuation. We don't expect the "Govt" to fund those types of Leave - why should a full blown PPL be any different ?

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:07PM
    • Browns - go back to my posting -you quite clearly fall into the group that does not understand the difference between a "welfare" payment and a condition of empoyment fully funded by the employer. And no - I am not a Public Servant so I am not protecting any employment rights I have.

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:20PM
    • Many of these well paid women in private enterprise are already receiving the PPL as well as lower paid women it is part of their workplace agreement, I posted a list of companies offering PPL a couple of weeks ago it is surprising how many companies offer one, all lies to say only the public service receives one. Just a couple for you to digest; Acumen Alliance, BHP, American Express, Brisbane City council, City of Onkaparinga, Ford Australia, General Motors Holden, IBM, Lend Lease, Optus, Queensland Rail, most universities across Australia. that's from a list of over 200.

      Commenter
      Amro
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:36PM
    • "Brisbane City council, City of Onkaparinga, Queensland Rail, most universities across Australia."

      Yes Amro, the above are all tax payer funded schemes.

      The rest of the companies you referred to are large organisations. Pity that the majority of Australians that work for SME's can't get the same benefits.

      Remember, the PPL will be part-funded by a levy/tax on the largest companies, not SME's.

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:56PM
    • Really, we the tax payers are the employers of the public servants why should we the taxpayers give them somehting the ALP wants to deny other women?

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:20PM
  • 12:19 - based on recent form, is it likely that in Andrew Leigh's book he argued in favour of increasing the fuel excise ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:36PM
    • Any chance that the LNP is looking at the structual budget deficit measures intoroduced by Little Johnny, or his present of middle income tax breaks, also the issue of revenue raising - perhaps Negative Gearing, FBT, Super concessions, Family Trusts, welfare for Miners and tax dodges by mutlnationals . . .

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:47PM
    • is that a question?

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:55PM
    • Hacka,

      re your framing comments as questions.

      You seem to be confusing this blog with a Dept for Enquiries or a University lecture (ie Socratic method). I am surprised you are still operating under the old more socialistic paradigm where those who know would assist you if they could for free. I would have thought you were on board with the LNP's new paradigm, user pays and age of entitlement to free answers at an end - so no free answers and more self- reliance required.

      Additionally, disingenous leading questions do not deserve a sincere answer.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:59PM
    • Nothing wrong with fuel excise as long as the returns are spent to combat CC and invest in PT.
      This current model addresses neither, hence the objection.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:00PM
    • John Hewson argued in favour of not imposing a GP bulk bill kill bill, however the IPA and BCA have different ideas.

      Your Emperor didn't even have his Treasurer write the budget, he out-sourced the budget to the private sector thinking that it was a great idea.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:00PM
    • ACG - you're a Greens supporter - they've often argued that increased fuel prices on their own are a means to an end. Now you seem to be putting conditions on it.

      Surely you must be dismayed by yesterday's back flip ?

      Rod, Lyn - if you're struggling to differentiate between a question and a comment, here's a tip - a good clue is the presence of a question mark.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:15PM
    • ah, hackeie, the consummate deployer of the reductive, dismantling the complex strategy to a punctuation mark - this is what you do, irritatingly,

      There are two varieties of your rhetorical strategy, which relies upon the form, tone, and language of the question itself to try to drive the debate in the desired direction.

      The leading question asks a question that has an obvious or implied answer. In this fallacy, the speaker frames his/her question in such a way that he/she can perhaps control what the answer will be, pushing it in the direction he wants. Generally the audience has been primed with emotional rhetoric to push them to a knee-jerk response without considering all the consequences, leading to a mob mentality.

      The loaded question asks a fundamentally "Yes or No" question for which neither answer is acceptable. The question is framed in such a way that an impulsive response may make the opponent look bad regardless of how he/she answers. The very question itself implies that the opponent is guilty of some improper behavior or ideas.

      that's why Lyn and I wonder if your unremitting questions are questions - they are, like Sir Phoney of One Term's lies, disingenuous and sneaky

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:51PM
    • Hacka, dismayed? No. Initially a bit perplexed but if there is no environmental outcome then I don't see the point. This Govt is doing is darnedest to be anything but considerate of the environment. Never any consideration to the automotive industry to change to production of electric/hydrogen models. not even an attempt. I can assure you I don't agree with every Greens policy (I doubt if many voters honestly can with their preferred parties either). As a rural person it will only add more costs (with no benefit)as we don't have the option of PT. So yes, I agree.
      A friend who has just 'found' the Greens wrote a lengthy letter over the FEI to Milne and out lined his reasoning - made perfect sense to me, given the axing of the Carbon Price et al and the punitive Budget.
      Given different circumstance I'd be all for it.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:58PM
    • Milne is an international embarrassment to all Green Parties around the world. What a failure to the Green cause.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:02PM
    • @Hacka - the issue isn't about raising the levy which Howard should have done when he was doing all the vote buying middle class welfare. The issue is about where the money raised is going. I thought we had a budget crisis and if so then why isn't it going to fix that? It is just like the new medicare tax (sorry co-payment) which isn't being used to pay off the deficit. It isn't even being used to improve health. It is a play straight out from that Hollowmen series where they have announced something that sounds great, has no detail and ion reality is no more than a distraction and at worst a slush fund for the government to pork barrel certain interest groups. What is worse is that it is the young families and elderly people who are going to pay for it without getting anything back for it.

      Commenter
      Lance
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:04PM
    • @rodst - you've just listed part of H's job description

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:04PM
    • EIE,

      if you make your views known on this and who you support, to the Greens, I feel confident they will give your comments the weight they deserve.

      Suggest you save your faux concern for a Party of faux policy and promises, such as the LNP.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:29PM
  • No other way to sum up the Libs but 'in total disarray'. Fresh from losses on Tas forests, permanent visas and chaplains, throw into the mix an electorate ready to chuck out the most unpopular PM in quite some time. Need I go on?

    OK I will: senators threatening to cross the floor, outgoing senators bagging other Libs, Arthur S in hot water, George B putting his foot firmly in his mouth every time he opens it, cigar chomping ministers dancing in their office before they give it to lower income earners, ministers who don't seem to know the detail of the toxic budget they are peddling, Vic libs about to get chucked out after one shambolic term, right wing media bully boys thinking the situation's so bad they need to put down any possible challenge to their great leader.

    And lies, and endless spin. And making us a joke on the world stage by taking us back to the 50s by a leader (sic) with zero vision who can't string two words together without umms and errs and mindless repetition, with messages that depend on who's in the audience at the time.

    But wait, there's more.......

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:32PM
    • Let me see, TA who is trying to sort out the mess, or a unionist who will probably spend you hard earned money on escort services or something new for his house....I know who the crooks are...your blind hatred is staggering

      Commenter
      GT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:11PM
    • Well said.

      Commenter
      mack
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:22PM
    • Yeah, you're probably right @GT, they probably will do that, just blows my argument out of the water. Tip of the hat...

      I must thank you however for assuming I do earn money the hard way, normally the assumption would be that I'm currently in the dole queue posting from the iPhone that you paid for with your taxes.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:08PM
  • Judith, how about some truth for a change from The Age - masthead - At Abbott Always. The $25billion hole is Labor/Greens hole. Milne has no policy credibility her grip on the leadership is slipping. Shorten's authority is eroding every week. I would urge readers to read Standard & Poor's recent announcement that if Australia does not fix its budget position then the AAA rating is in danger. That would push up avg annual mortgage repayments by $6000 and this is from after tax dollars. Labor will be blamed.

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Eaglemont
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:24PM
    • An Eaglemont reader supporting the LNP - how surprising. How about you broaden your dialogue to look at the structual tax deficit Little Johnny left, as well as the issues in revenue raising that could be addressed via changes to FBT, Negative Gearing, Salary Sacrificing, and all the hands outs to middle income earners that Little Johhny also introduced.

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:44PM
    • Peter, this was the report in The Australian soon after that line was trotted out:

      "TONY Abbott’s charge that Labor is threatening Australia’s AAA credit rating has been discredited, after a leading ratings agency rejected claims it was poised to review the nation’s credit score.

      The Prime Minister this morning seized on a media report of comments by a Standard & Poors sovereign analyst, Craig Michaels, that the nation’s prized credit rating could be reviewed if parliament fails to approve significant budget cuts.

      Mr Abbott used the Australian Financial Review report – titled “AAA credit rating at risk” – to repeatedly attack Labor today, urging the opposition to pass his government’s first budget through the Senate.

      However Mr Michaels has told The Australian “there is no immediate risk to the AAA credit rating”."

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:49PM
    • "As we said last week, we have a stable outlook on the rating, which means a less than one-in-three chance that we'll change the rating over the next couple of years." Craig Michaels, Standard and Poor's

      Commenter
      qldisfubar
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:58PM
    • You are correct that LNP will blame Labor, but history shows the public always blames the Govt of the day for such things.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:01PM
    • There is one apt response that covers all of this rant: nope

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:08PM
  • "Nationals MP Michael McCormack is speaking on the public governance bills.
    ......He adds: "Labor are no friends of the public service".

    With friends like the current LNP government in Canberra who needs enemy.

    Commenter
    Mais51
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:23PM
  • So the Appropriation Bills have passed the Senate. Just goes to show that some legislation will be waved through. If Tony Thruthfull learns a few negotiation skills some other legislation might not languish for ever. Perhaps Ms Peta needs to enrol her Boys in How to Win Friends and Influence People 101

    Commenter
    Get on with it Boys
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:21PM
  • Just on Clive’s Titanic II. I reckon there would be time now for someone to begin construction of a ship built in the shape of an iceberg to follow the Titanic II around where ever it goes.

    Commenter
    rosscarroll.com
    Location
    Newcastle
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 12:00PM
  • Lewis, I think you will find the Greens are thinking not only of the environment, but also the average Australian. The money raised was not going to be used to provide public transport which would have assisted in the removal of pollution, but also congestion. If the money had been allotted to public transport, eg fast trains, and the upkeep of perhaps roads in the rural areas, I think you would have seen a better acceptance of the raise. In this case it is a hit at the ordinary Mum, Dad, Family, Pensioner etc. you know Howards battlers.

    Commenter
    Ausgaia
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:58AM
    • Ausgaia, my point is that the Greens are also a political party and, as such, are also concerned about their position in Australian politics. Everything you said in their post means their original position is open to compromise. Remember, the Greens haven't blocked this bill yet. If they pass it with ammendments then it is a political win for them. It would mean their ten senators can be more important than Clive's 3 + 1.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:38PM
  • Nice juxtaposition between Alex Ellinghausen's pic and your reporting the good news that there's money for governing. But will it be allocated wisely?

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:56AM
  • Each day Labor becomes more electable due to LNP lies, spin, untruths and its continuing to treat the public as mugs.

    Shorten's new moniker should be "Electabill".

    Commenter
    Lyn
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:56AM
    • Really....? Sure...thats the best you have....

      Commenter
      GT
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:17PM
    • GT yeah the best I could today, but wasn't fooling myself that I was Shakespeare II.

      So you don't like puns.

      And I thought I was getting into the prevailing "weak quip" spirit ie Pluto at 11.11am: "Judith I think that "enshortened" is very clever and agree that the budget is totally "crepe". "

      Meanwhile over on the ironyless right bank, the response of "that's weak and therefore so are you" is considered wittier? Hmmm.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:12PM
    • Yes @Lyn...lift your game!!

      Here's a pointer:
      ElectaBill - not funny at all
      Electricity Bill - Hilarious!!!

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:38PM
    • I stand chastened, Davemac.

      Next time, I will ensure to use Bill's name in a quip or pun only in denigration.*

      That way it will be funny (to LNP supporters)**.

      * (ironic).
      ** (as if I care)

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:08PM
  • iis that rainbow pointing to a pot of gold in the Arbetorium?!!

    Commenter
    rod steiger
    Location
    toukley
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:56AM
    • Arboretum - a collection of planted trees. Not a native forest.
      Now back onto your rainbow.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:19PM
    • under "inscrutable" see "incomprehensible"

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:57PM
    • btw enuff is enuff already, the Arbetorium is located behind Black Mountain, where the rainbow disappears .. doh, facts in the way again ..

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:27PM
  • 11.50 well the only pot of gold with this mob has the Big End's name stamped on it.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:54AM
    • Yep, Milne falling over for big oil multinationals yesterday was unbelievable.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:23PM
    • boy, enufff, you're cracking along today aren't you - who pays the excise? multinationals or consumers? yeeeeessss, consumers, who have no choice but to pay for the fuel... consumption will not decrease, but prices will rise

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:30PM
    • Do you drive eie? What kind of petrol price increase would have you change your behaviour?

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:01PM
  • Pen, I don't have to read the Green's policy documents to know that what Milne is proposing is illogical - just ask the other half of her team that voted against what she is doing. It is illogical to oppose an increase in a tax on a fossil fuel while supporting the carbon tax, which is a tax on public transport (eg. electric trains). Using the excuse that the extra dollars are spent on roads doesn't pass the laugh test. The proposed roads will reduce travel times and hence lower pollution. She also ignores the fact that half of public transport use roads (ie buses). The Green's policies are internally inconsistent! I read many of your posts and you are smart enough to know that Milne has clearly lost the plot leading to diminishing support for the Greens.

    Commenter
    Pollie watcher
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:49AM
    • Milne has a personal vendetta against Tony Abbott. She will not support anything he proposes, even if it is "Greens" policy!

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:41PM
  • 10.12 Madigan
    As much as I have opposing views to Madigan on reproductive choices and CC , he has my absolute respect. he has the electorate at heart and a concrete view of what is right and wrong. A firm believer in social justice. He and Xenophon will be a formidable duo in the new Senate.
    Two to watch, they both work hard and are a return on the investment of those who voted for them.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Har, hear. When I read his election policies prior to the last election, I dismissed him as another conservative stooge. But he has shown some integrity in not just swallowing the LNP spin

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:05PM
    • Stevek, precisely why I commented on him. He really does have some moral conviction on some really pertinent issues. That he sponsored Monkton is all a bit extreme and a bit much but on the same token he's prepared to put his money where his mouth is. Donated his wage increase to assist Youth training/apprenticeships. Is passionate about Australian manufacturing, country of origin food labelling etc.
      He takes his position seriously and is a tireless worker, and as yet has not inflicted any of his anti choice beliefs upon us. He fights for the underdog.
      I've changed my tune on him, and don't hesitate in saying so. What you see is what you get. Certainly don't feel as confident in the new blood arriving.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:26PM
  • WORKCHOICES is like vermin in the roof Judith. Sometimes you just don't hear it overhead. But then all of a sudden its there and you think: "I must get the pest exterminators in."

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:18AM
    • Know any decent Pied Pipers?

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Pluto,Love this line and so true.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:04PM
  • I'm not convinced that it's opposition to new roads or just a hatred for Abbott that is behind this apparent back-flip from the Greens on the resumption of fuel excise indexation. It could be a bold attempt by the Greens to remain relevant in the new senate & not be overlooked in the horse trading. Their opposition just seems too open for compromise to me.

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:17AM
    • Judith, I think you will find the Greens are thinking not only of the environment, but also the average Australian. The money raised was not going to be used to provide public transport which would have assisted in the removal of pollution, but also congestion. If the money had been allotted to public transport, eg fast trains, and the upkeep of perhaps roads in the rural areas, I think you would have seen a better acceptance of the raise. In this case it is a hit at the ordinary Mum, Dad, Family, Pensioner etc. you know Howards battlers.

      Commenter
      Ausgaia
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:44AM
    • Lewis,
      seeing as it's you doing the self-convincing, your scepticism seems justified.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:50AM
    • Umm, the Liberals want to slash and burn everything.

      The Greens know this, and won't make the same mistake the Democrats did by "keeping the Bastards Honest" by joining with the Liberals.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:23PM
    • ...and yet they did just that recently in abolishing the debt ceiling with the government.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:47PM
  • Judith I think that "enshortened" is very clever and agree that the budget is totally "crepe".

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:11AM
  • Re: Clive Palmer is set to reveal his position on the carbon tax.

    Clive’s self-interest: coal production expansion, and massive expansion of atmospheric carbon dioxide. His Galilee coal mine remains producing from 4 billion tonnes of coal and 11.44 billion tonnes of atmospheric carbon dioxide. He will not have to millions in carbon tax from his coal and nickel pollution.

    And this man controls the Senate?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 11:07AM
    • Then he's no different than all the other windbags in parliament.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:16AM
    • The difference, Pluto, is that most (if not all) other members don't currently owe millions of dollars in Carbon tax.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:39AM
    • Maybe he will surprise us all and not support the repeal of the carbon price and the mining tax. Maybe he really is in the Parliament because he genuinely believes he can make Australia a better place. Maybe he's the one billionaire in Australia whose sole objective in life isn't the next billion. I doubt it; but maybe...

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:47AM
    • Bye bye carbon tax...

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:57AM
    • Jofek, your glass is half full. I hope you're right, but somehow I expect otherwise. A big boo ha for Clean Coal I'm expecting.
      Then again, who could guess.......
      Just depends how much he really does despise this mob.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:28PM
    • jofek - Perhaps a third theory is that he is a billionaire and genuinely believes he is making a worthwhile difference in the Parliament by voting to ditch the carbon tax and MRRT hmmm?

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:31PM
    • Smack, no.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:25PM
  • Warning: Tony Abbott will see that photo of pensioners out for coffee and he will deduct another $3.50 from their pension.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:52AM
    • Or he could deduct surplus letters from your name Shar(r)on!

      Commenter
      Nulla
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:12AM
    • Nulla,

      when you were born, your parents thought that you were so insignificant they called you nulla (something of no importance, a zero)!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:27AM
    • Nulla, glass houses etc.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:57AM
    • Sharon, seems you have a fan re your name. Irony is, his idol has a couple of excess letters too.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:57AM
    • haha nulla, not very nice but funny all the same.

      Commenter
      markymark
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:41PM
  • So if Shorten dislikes the PPL so much, is he going to propose to remove the maternity leave provisions provided for public servants ?

    If most Australians shouldn't be eligible for the PPL, then surely public servants shouldn't either.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:34AM
    • All I can do is repeat that every single person sitting in this ridiculous excuse for a parliament should ask themselves what is the real reason for all of the obstruction against a miserly little tax worth less than 0.4% of 1% of GDP. At $6.3 billion the carbon tax has had more lies and B.S. spoken about in this parliament than the hidden expenditure of $86 billion on flying lemons. One would think that at least one of the so called politicians would find out why and say so. As for Coalition MP’s they should all hang their heads in self- disgust for allowing their own children and grandchildren to suffer the consequences of global warming. How they can face a mirror is beyond my understanding. To say they are pathetic is a compliment.

      As for the PPL, Hacka how many jobs does it create compared to the C.T.?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:51AM
    • No surprises here Hacka, misrepresenting the truth again. Labor has a PPL policy but we'll never get to hear it in parliament as Pyne will gag the debate.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      Inner City
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:51AM
    • All Australians are currently eligible for the fair to all and affordable to the country PPL brought in by the last Government. Nothing will change that. Private firms and the Public Service are free to employ their own more ramped up versions in order to keep their valued female employees.

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:59AM
    • Hacka it's been said over and over in these columns by lots of different people invoking Abraham Lincoln in various ways. You just can't fool all the people all the time.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:00AM
    • Strange comment Tim. Labor does have a policy, but are they saying that there should be one rule for public servants and another rule for everyone else ?

      Or should Labor go back to the CPSU and tell them that public servants need to have their conditions changed to bring them in line with the rest of the country ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:03AM
    • Hacka - you well know that Employers look at the Total Cost of Empolyment when offering a Salary Package. Negotiations have taken place to arrive at an outcome that is suitable to all parties. Feeble Tony's package is not going to be fully funded by employers - but for some reason he thinks it is OK to have a "cash splash on borrowed money" for well paid women to stay home with their child.

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:18AM
    • Hacka - your deflective spin on Public Servants conditions of employment are way wide of the mark - and you know it. Why not pick on all Private Sector employees who have also negotiated something similar in the past ? Or why not shine your bright beacon on all the Execs who are allowed to Salary Sacrifice ?

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:24AM
    • Hacks, it sounds like you are suggesting that the Abbott PPL scheme is going to be inserted in every industry award and eba, as Tony puts it "a workplace condition not welfare payment' this will give room for mandatory negotiations. This would happen under both LNP or Labor however when it's welfare that doesn't happen.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      Inner City
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:30AM
    • The PPL for public servants is part of their
      wage , like the perks that are included
      private packages...ie;
      car and fantastic plastic,private heath insurance,private school fees and of
      course PPL.
      You are a complete cynic Hacka, being paid, for your bleak, contempt of people.

      Commenter
      and sundry
      Location
      croydon
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:03PM
    • Hacka, just who do you hope will be fooled or manipulated by your misrepresenting Labor’s position on PPL and creating strawmen that there will be no PPL if Labor gets its way or Labor is proposing to abolish public sector entitlements or that they are hypocrites if they don’t abolish them? I am past incredulous. It’s just par for the course by you.

      I suppose you have an excuse. You are just following the leader.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:08PM
    • Lyn - given you're trying to justify the Greens stance on fuel excise indexation, you'll forgive me for having a chuckle at the use of the word incredulous.

      It's a perfectly reasonable question - why are Labor discriminating in favour of the public service against all non-government mothers ?

      None of you seem able to answer it.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:33PM
    • Julieep,

      You do realise the Public Service is paid for by tax payers don't you....

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:43PM
    • The ALP is not discriminating in favour of the Public Service Hacka - I thought you supposedly had the smarts to recognise the difference between an employer funded employment benefit and the Govt having to borrow money to fund "welfare". Maybe the cold weather is numbed your thought processes ?

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:53PM
    • Hacka - why aren't you and the IPA out pestering all private sector employers to step up to the mark and pay their valuable female employees PPL ??? Some private employers already do this. Surely women of calibre deserve this as much as the boys get all their perks ?

      Commenter
      Blue Tie Ineptitude
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:11PM
    • Oh Hacka,
      I did not realise that because you ask a question, usually as in this case with a false premise or of a leading nature, commenters with opposing or different views to you, are bound to answer. Is that because you consider yourself entitled?

      As mentioned in another response to you, entitlements to free answers are over.

      Well if nothing else, at least we amuse each other.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:12PM
    • Really - one rule for one, another rule for others.

      That's the definition of discrimination isn't it ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:16PM
    • Browns the Public Service is a work title bestowed on many different types of employees of the Government ... it's not a pejorative term that dog whistles 'welfare bludgers' which seems to be what you are implying. Public Service job terms and entitlements are already an established part of working within those areas. That means their inhouse PPL's are an established workplace entitlement.

      There is already a PPL scheme in place that does not discriminate between parents and is not welfare. The rolled gold ( 5billion a year) version the LNP seek to bring in directs the most to those parents who don't need it while actively denying it to many such as stay at home mums, students, the unemployed and so on.

      It's not on old son and it's class warfare of the most pernicious type ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:22PM
    • Hacka "Lyn - given you're trying to justify the Greens stance on fuel excise indexation, you'll forgive me for having a chuckle at the use of the word incredulous."

      There you go misunderstanding or misrepresenting the clear meaning of the written word.

      I haven't tried to justify anything. I have stated I accept the Greens' rationale and that it makes sense to me and I have rebutted any false assertions (by you and others) about what that rationale is by repeating or clarifying what that rationale is.

      Why are you asking for forgiveness? Besides being disingenous again.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:24PM
    • If you don't understand the quite clear answers you've been given, Hacka, that says more about your intelligence than the quality of response. But then you're not paid to be honest, so you could be simply wilfully obtuse.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:28PM
    • @Hacka - this isn't one of your usual deflections but an outright lie. Shorten is not against a PPL at all. He is against this inherently unfair version that was put in by Tony Truthless to try and buy women's votes. Much like most of the budget, this is another example of how Hockey decries the age of entitlement - unless you are wealthy. In an era of a "budget crisis" we just can't afford to allow wealthy women get paid to have babies. The current system is both fairer and more affordable.

      Commenter
      Lance
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:58PM
    • Julieep,

      Will a woman earning $50k a year be better off under the existing PPL or Tony Abbott's?

      Is that really "class warfare"?

      And by the way, the annual average PS wage is now well above the annual average private sector wage.... Go figure!

      But we would never hear you whining on these forums about how the government spends taxpayers money - would we....

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:59PM
    • Browns no need to sneer or indulge in put downs as it makes it seem like you don't wish to debate but only insult.

      To be honest I think all parents would be better off with out this over the top PPL and have the 5 billion a year put into affordable childcare for all. That really is the biggest hurdle facing parents returning to work.

      While there are extremely punitive measures in play for under 30 job seekers and pensioners and the like then the LNPs version of a PPL is not viable. We already have one that covers everyone quite fairly and is affordable. We don't need this blatantly unfair version while so many vulnerable others are copping it in the neck.

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:27PM
    • Julieep,

      "sneers and put downs"?

      Really?

      Commenter
      Browns
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 2:47PM
    • yes really. People expressing a different opinion to you are not ipso facto 'whining' merely bring a different perspective to the table. deal with it.

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:03PM
  • All this petty to-ing and fro-ing we go through here is about to be put firmly into perspective. Clive today makes his Big Announcement, giving an eager populace “a solution for Australia and the world”.

    A solution to what we’re not told, but it’s sure going to be exciting. After all, Clive says it offers “hope for mankind."

    “Hope for Mankind”. Wow. Makes "Stop the Boats", Axe the Tax" and “Debt and Deficit Disaster” look a bit mundane.

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:27AM
    • Is it that, a la Jurassic Park, he has cloned a dinosaur and is opening a new theme park with live dinos?

      The climate is right for it.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:16PM
  • Hey Maddo let's parley LNP style..
    first, i threaten you with sleepless nights..
    then, you refuse vote in favor of anything i suggest..
    then we go to a double dissolution and i go back into oppposition..
    ok?

    Commenter
    rod steiger
    Location
    toukley
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:25AM
  • There is a wilful determination on the part of the Govt and based on yesterday's comments on here many anti-Greens commentators possibly many of them too, not to understand the Greens' reasons for not supporting the FEI increase.

    Much easier and satisfying for critics to try and discredit with name calling such as hypocrites, inconsistent, not standing up for their principles blah blah blah.

    And why the vtiriole directed only at the Greens? They can't block this on their own.

    Commenter
    Lyn
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:17AM
    • Lyn - political parties need to stand for something. The Greens say they stand for the environment, but then they voted against it yesterday.

      They're placing their hatred of Abbott above their stated and published "principles".

      It could well be the end of Milne. Problem is, who's next ?

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:24AM
    • Actually, Hacka, the Greens voted against the fuel excise increase because the additional money was being used for more roads. If it were reinvested into public transport or renewable energies it may have been considered.
      As it stands, it was simply a "hit to the pocket" for consumers with no added environmental bonus.

      Commenter
      Oliver More
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:48AM
    • yay! rhetorical question sighting!

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:03AM
    • Rubbish Oliver - they voted against it to thwart Abbott.

      Gee their supporters must be tearing their hair out - here was a no-brainer to increase petrol costs, and they rejected it.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:06AM
    • Actually better roads doesn't automatically mean more cars just faster times with less fuel. It's a political decision, they are no different from the others.Milne probably wont be leader at the next election.

      Commenter
      Brettie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:07AM
    • Lyn, it's become a National sport to knock and castigate The Greens.
      I get where they are coming from and support them on this action.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:31AM
    • Sen Milne will continue to lead well - 8.7% at election, now hovering around 11% - strong presence consistent policies, good negotiator, excelllent victory in the Tarkine wliderness - pretty much everything Sir Phoney of One Term is not

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:38AM
    • Wow Hacka - maybe the Greens were looking at the bigger picture - no obvious "green" benefit and a hit to the hip pocket to the electorate. Perhaps if the money had been directed to say the CSIRO or medical reserach, or rehab facilities for those injured in carr accidents the outcome might have been different. Tony has no idea -- an outdated attack dog with no apparent negotiation skills.

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:13PM
    • @TheH

      Asked and answered several times yesterday and again today. Time to concoct your next question to the masses.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:43PM
    • davemac, Hacka's not here for a conversation. He seems to genuinely believe he can make a difference by following Abbott's stratagem of repeating nonsense until it's thumping around in our heads like a migraine.

      The logic of the Greens is quite simple, quite explicable and quite logical. If Abbott wants to tie a new tax to new roads, he should not be expecting the Greens to fall into line.

      Pretending the new tax is a climate change initiative is wildly inconsistent and hypocritical - charges Hacka is somehow levelling against the Greens.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:12PM
  • Chris Whyne may as well 'manage' the debate, it's not like we'll get a decent one anyway. Better to just let the Fibs wave the bills through with their numbers and let the Senate have a proper look at them.

    Commenter
    Oliver More
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 10:05AM
  • I've had my coffee Judith and am just waiting for the Speaker to issue the first 94a.

    Commenter
    Pluto
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:45AM
  • Talk about the budget just keeps getting less attached to any semblance of logic. Tony "the only party that will raise taxes after the election is the Labor Party" Abbott constantly parrots the four word slogan Debt and Deficit Disaster. (Essay topic… Should the ‘and’ be counted? Is this really a three word slogan? Discuss.) We’re told that we have to tighten our belts (unless we’re rich, own a mine or donate to the Liberal party, that is). Lie back, we’re told, and think of the Budget.

    And yet, yesterday Jamie Briggs proudly boasted that the Liberal’s $50 billion roads program is the ‘largest infrastructure spend in the history of the nation’.

    Help me please, diminishing LNP Cheersquad. How can you say spending is good (so good that you boast that you’ve spent more than Labor ever did) while you’re concurrently saying spending is bad.

    And while you’re attending to that, you might also explain how you can decry the spending of the previous Government on stimulus to avoid recession when the previous Liberal government squandered the once in a generation mining boom with unnecessary middle and upper class welfare, corporate welfare and cynical vote-buying tax cuts, leaving a piddling surplus of just $30 billion. That money would have been better spent on economically beneficial infrastructure, or a substantial surplus which would have made avoiding the recession much easier.

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:43AM
    • The response is quite simple. The Libs are spending money on long-term projects eg. roads whereas Labor wasted money on short-term recurrent spending eg. welfare and cash splashes to buy votes. As for the Howard years, they didn't waste the mining boom at all. They managed to repay all of Labor's debt they inherited (sound familiar?), put $70 Billion into the Future Fund and after returning the budget to a healthy surplus they repaid any extra proceeds back to the taxpayers that contributed the funds in the first place. In contrast, Labor delivered the six largest budget deficits in our history and wasted $20 Billion plus on poorly targeted and poorly managed stimulus spending post the GFC. There really is no comparison and no amount of attempted spin will change the fact that Labor was the most economically competent government since Federation.

      Commenter
      Airato
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:28AM
    • First of all thanks, Airato, for giving a reasoned answer. The usual response is ignorance (on both senses) or abuse.

      I’d take issue with a couple of your statements. Much of the stimulus spending had long-term economic and social benefits as well as providing immediate economic and employment stimulus. Even though politically derided, the BER was successful, addressing a chronic lack of spending on public school infrastructure over many decades. (It also gave some wealthy private schools indoor swimming pools and rifle ranges, but that’s a separate argument.) The home insulation program also had a double benefit, environmental as well as fiscal. Of course there were problems with both, flowing from the speed with which they had to be rolled out, but labelling them as utter disasters is a political rather than a factual interpretation.

      You sympathetically describe Howard’s tax cuts and one-off payments as “repaying the taxpayers that contributed the funds in the first place”, while Labor’s are “short-term recurrent spending e.g. welfare and cash splashes to buy votes”. Can you see a hint of partisanship here?

      And I’m assuming you didn’t really mean to describe Labor as “the most economically competent government since Federation.” I certainly wouldn’t agree with you! But they did a good job in difficult circumstances.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:00AM
    • Whoops! Meant to say "incompetent" in relation to Labor. While I was typing I lost concentration when reflecting on what a great job Howard and Costello did to rescue us from the Keating years.

      Commenter
      Airato
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:09AM
    • I wasn't criticising all of the stimulus spending, just an estimated half of the $40 plus Billion where was clear wastage. Sending $900 cheques to people to spend on buying iPads and flat screen TVs made overseas didn't help the Aussie economy (not much iron ore in those products!). The BER was rorted and achieved poor value for what was spent and was slow to kick in. The money should have been given to schools to attack the backlog of maintenance every school has and any left over used for their priority building projects. That would have created thousands of immediate jobs but Rudd would have missed having his name splashed on billboards outside each school.
      I confess to being partisan but hopefully support this with reasonable arguments.

      Commenter
      Airato
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:28AM
    • right first time Airation - There really is no comparison and no amount of attempted spin will change the fact that Labor was the most economically COMPETENT government since Federation.
      BEST TREASURER AWARD
      "Euromoney said Mr Swan had been given the award "for his careful stewardship of Australia's finances and economic performance, both during and since the global financial crisis''.

      But the magazine made clear it didn't think Mr Swan had single-handedly saved the nation's finances.

      "Swan has undoubtedly been blessed with a number of advantages, including inheriting a sound economy and the natural resources bounty that has allowed Australian trade with China in particular to boom.

      But he was credited with the correct strategy during the global financial crisis of 2007-08.

      The magazine applauded his "swift response to stimulate the economy'' despite "strong opposition at home'' and said he had "succeeded in getting most of the important decisions right'.

      "These include putting in place an exit strategy for the stimulus and sticking to it, imposing a fiscal discipline that many other finance ministers refusing to adopt,'' said the magazine's citation of Mr Swan.

      "Swan continued to deliver this strong and steady performance despite political difficulties at home, in which his Labor Party only has the smallest possible majority through the support of independent MPs.
      It said he joined a "roll-call of leading finance ministers, including Jim Flaherty of Canada and Alexei Kudrin of Russia."

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:32AM
    • I don't think you can overstate the magnitude of the debt and deficit crisis.
      The gross irresponsibility and incompetence of the Labor Party has left this dreadful legacy for the Government.
      Our credit rating has plummeted to AAA.
      That's right, AAA.
      I don't think credit ratings come much lower than that.
      The situation had become so dire that the LNP had to sacrifice its integrity, by telling lies, during the election campaign, to seize power & save the country from this looming fiscal disaster.
      And that's why, every question time, they keep reminding us, over and over again, what a disaster a AAA credit rating is.

      Commenter
      howler monkey
      Location
      election promised land
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:41AM
    • Howler Monkey "I don't think you can overstate the magnitude of the debt and deficit crisis."

      You can only not think, in the way that you must have, by ignoring the evidence of the day in day out overstating of it by the Govt, its media allies and those in voter land who have swallowed that propaganda hook, line and sinker.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:25PM
    • Rod, Euromoney also thought Lehmann Bros were the best bank in the world when they nearly brought down the entire world eonomy.

      Yep great judges those Euromoney whizs.

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:24PM
  • The Greens under Bob Brown used to stand for something but after Christine Milne decided yesterday that they will oppose the increase in the fuel excise (a tax on pollution!) she has demonstrated they have nothing to offer and after July 1 will become irrelevant and go the way of the Democrats.

    Commenter
    Pollie watcher
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:43AM
    • I suggest that you digest the Greens policy documents before going off half cocked. Ignorance is such bliss isn't it?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:34AM
    • Don't worry, Pen - Pollie Watcher is obsessed with the Greens, and thinks if he/she says "boo" often enough they'll go away.

      Commenter
      BC
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 1:33PM
    • I must confess to being an obsessive supporter of the Greens when the party was led by Bob Brown but no longer under Milne with Greens Lite. Time for Pen to bite the bullet too and follow my lead.

      Commenter
      Pollie watcher
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:11PM
  • "Pyne wants to gag debate on the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability (Consequential and Transitional Provisions) Bill 2014."

    No wonder. They are failing at all three.The Government probably needs to look up what the words mean before they can debate such a Bill.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:41AM
  • 9.28 am Is *outragedeth* a heavy metal group? Does anyone nee coffee?

    Commenter
    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:37AM
    • David 9.28 am Is *outragedeth* a heavy metal group?

      Yeh verily. Doth thy not know? Most popularith group in the olden days.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:20AM
  • Add to the gag that Abbott is to spend the additional revenue from the petrol increase on roads, why?

    Over the next 5 years one million migrants will arrive on our shores, they will eventually purchase cars and when they are not in gridlock they will drive home on new roads bordering evermore unfordable housing, why?

    With the highest population growth in the world we cannot build enough houses, the economy of supply and demand dictates more unaffordable housing. It is why in 1968 1.5 years’ average salary could purchase a house, today it takes 6.6 years average salary to buy a house.

    This increased million population also demands 11 billion KWh of additional power per year, which means at 2000 KWh per tonne of coal an extra 5.5 million tonnes of coal is burnt to produce 15.73 million more tonnes of atmospheric Co2. This is why the Greens do not support the petrol increase be spent on roads the Greens written policy on immigration is clear:

    “The current level of population, population growth and the way we consume are outstripping environmental capacity. Australia must contribute to achieving a globally sustainable population and encourage and support other nations to do the same. Australia's population policy should be determined by its commitment to: ecological sustainability.”

    So, anti-Greens please explain what Australia’s sustainable population is? Go on be my guest, dumb struck are we? Clue: how much over sustainability does an extra million migrants create in five years’ time under Labor and Coalition absurd migration policies?

    It fallacy that migration can only aid the economy, too much population growth imposes pressures on infrastructure and adds to congestion; in so doing it depresses productivity. International comparisons show that there is no association between population growth and growth in per capita GDP.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:36AM
    • Pen you seem incapable of explaining the Greens open border, mass migration, flood of refugees and the Greens population and sustainability policies. Do you really think you can have unlimited population growth with uncontrolled welfare and other social program spending plus protect the environment. How does this parallel universe work? We are looking forward to a concise, one paragraph response. No need for another thesis.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:15AM
    • EIE

      Read the policy! The first priority is a sustainable population. Now you tell me what this is! Oh, surprise, surprise you cannot, can you?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:31AM
    • You say that "over the next 5 years one million migrants will arrive on our shores, they will eventually purchase cars and when they are not in gridlock they will drive home on new roads bordering evermore unfordable housing, why?" Aren't you also driving on those roads? Your anti-migrant position is plain to see. You can always obscure it with a plea to economics or urban planning but in the end it hides, and not very well, an anti-immigrant position. The increase in vitriol is very worrying for a country in part created and built by migrants.

      Commenter
      Pluto
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:36AM
    • Pluto

      Australian’s need to understand that we earn our way in the world mainly by selling fixed mineral resources (e.g. iron ore, coal, natural gas, and gold). And evermore migration means fewer resources per capita. It also means that we must deplete our mineral resources faster just to maintain a constant standard of living. By any measure our standard of living is falling away, meanwhile our migration policy is the highest in the world with a population increase of around 25% since year 2000. This scenario totally ignores the consequences of minerals depletion or falling demand.

      By 2019 we will accommodate an additional million migrants, which means further depletion of mineral resources in addition to lowering our standard of living further, why? It is fallacy that migration can only aid the economy, too much population growth imposes pressures on infrastructure and adds to congestion; in so doing it depresses productivity. International comparisons show that there is no association between population growth and growth in per capita GDP. This is not surprising as comparative data on 32 OECD countries show no positive association between population growth and growth in labour productivity. Mining minerals also does very little for jobs growth.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:41AM
    • Absolutely Pen, spoken from my own heart.
      Pluto, it's not being anti migration- it's the rate of migration. It is unsustainable and a ponzi scheme to confuse growth figures. A false economic model, not to mention the environmental aspect.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:28AM
  • We seem to be heading towards a bit of a budget impasse, with the dislike of Abbott and being preferenced ahead of what's good for the national interest.

    But where will it end ? If bills are continually blocked and the deficit becomes larger, voters might remind themselves of the many reasons they voted in the Abbott government in the first place. Which may put a heap of pressure on the incoming Senators to get the supply bills through.

    Let's hope the irrational anger of the left-green alliance makes way for some pragmatism post 1 July, but i wouldn't be counting any chickens just yet.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:28AM
    • Hacka, you'd be hard pressed to find one single policy measure of this appalling Government that is inarguably in the national interest.

      Commenter
      jofek
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:06PM
  • How long will Milne and Shorten ast in their respective roles? This is looking like crunch week for them as their parties continue to over ride them.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:17AM
    • Shorten will only last as opposition leader until the next election.....

      Commenter
      David D
      Location
      Ettalong Beach
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:26AM
    • how many facile deflective rhetorical questions will eie and hakky pose today? How many times will they fail to defend the incapable and indefensible? what can the Sir Tory of One Term stooges half-do today? we wait with anticipatory enjoyment

      Commenter
      rod steiger
      Location
      toukley
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:30AM
    • and how long will lame duck Abbott last? can't even pass a budget, about as popular as leprosy and it's not even a year yet ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:32AM
    • eie - the Pieman's okay but you're right about Milne.

      There's obviously a power struggle going on within them, how else could you explain yesterday. Surely their supporters are scratching their heads.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:38AM
    • And yet another nonsense from enough is enough, who obviously has no intention of trying to understand why the Greens oppose the fuel levy, other than his/her own speculation and ignorance.

      It is all to with what is sustainable opposed to feeding the greed of the top end of town. Taxpayers spend billions every year on roads for foreign owned mines. Meanwhile our mineral resources are depleted by the highest population increase by migration in the world. When you can answer what Australia's sustainable population is get back to me.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:44AM
    • Good to see democracy alive and well in those two parties.

      The LNP should try it. Phoney's PPL captain's pick, wouldn't stand a chance.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:53AM
    • Have you seen Abbott's approval rating? It is worse than Gillards.

      Commenter
      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:32PM
    • To David D...yes Shorten will only last as long as opposition leader to next election, and then be will be PM ...bring on the DD..nice thought, but poor old Tony Abbott has no ticker....

      Commenter
      Alan
      Location
      Pascoe Vale
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:45PM
    • Hacka, so your inability. wilful misunderstanding or non-acceptance of the Greens' rationale for their position on FEI increase, is meant to reflect badly on the Greens eh? Too funny.

      Spare the sanctimony that Greens supporters must be scratching their heads (sub-text ie they should be).

      The expressed views of admitted Green voters, supporters or those with Green views on this blog today and yesterday are that we (because I am one of them) do not have an issue with this. You must have read these comments so to suggest they would be scratching heads is just another attempt to put down, mislead and manipulate.

      Commenter
      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 12:48PM
    • How much - and why should we - pay for government spin doctors? Maybe the savings if we sacked the lit in the comin zdD will enable pensioners to see real doctors.

      Commenter
      Charlatans
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:29PM
    • I predict Sarah Hanson Young will be PM in 2016.

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      Malik the magic sheep
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 3:53PM
    • More likely Abbott will be fearing the knife - he's polling worse than Gillard!

      Commenter
      EIEIO and away Tony goes!
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:09PM
    • David D - shorten will only last as opposition leaded till the election cos then he'll be the PM?

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      QED
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 4:27PM
    • @ David D:

      ['Shorten will only last as opposition leader until the next election....']

      Droll.

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      Jason Gold Coast
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 5:55PM
    • eie
      A lot longer than Abbott's budget will last.
      He has already concede on the GP Tax, now comes a whole raft of Climate Cange stuff.

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      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:20PM
    • Hacks, I bet there is more of a leadership struggle within the Liberal Party right now.

      I guess you are like ..... squirrel.......

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      SimpleLan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:27PM
  • Now that we are going polysyllabic as well as wordy, here is the grabbalition slogan for the day: *Make the freezing seaborne dole bludging budget busting pensioner jihadist lefties PAY for their ABC!* (See, even covers global warming.)

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    David D
    Location
    Ettalong Beach
    Date and time
    June 25, 2014, 9:14AM
    • You left out "tree hugging".

      I don't think it will catch on - as you say too prolix for the sloganeers.

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      Lyn
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 9:50AM
    • You also left out mass debating, David, which, as you pointed out yesterday, Christopher wants to put a stop to.

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      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 10:30AM
    • Wipe your chin.

      Commenter
      and sundry
      Location
      croydon
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 11:51AM
    • Latte is missing me thinks,

      Commenter
      Patrick
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 25, 2014, 6:13PM
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