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Politics Live: March 4, 2014

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  • Tone, me old comrade, glad to see you giving these libs a run for their money. I have some old copies of China Reconstructs if you need some bedtime reading!

    Commenter
    Cool Comrade
    Date and time
    March 04, 2014, 5:51PM
    • Tone ease up on old hacka. It's hard for him to keep up these days. Hearing eyesight thinking all slowing down.

      Commenter
      bert
      Date and time
      March 04, 2014, 5:50PM
      • Is this a joke $425,000 for attending a few parties ? I hope Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott come down on this. Abbott says $55,000 is to much for a worker. But $425,000 for attending parties and ceremonies is an insult to all tax payers.

        Commenter
        bert
        Date and time
        March 04, 2014, 5:47PM
        • With all the lies being told in the House, I see a need for the installation of a confessional. Perhaps cardinal Pell can help? Oh, sorry, he's won a job in the UK for his efforts. Well, maybe the local diocese will oblige seeing there's such a large congregation on the Government side.Could the catholic Church be construed as a union?

          Commenter
          Al 48
          Location
          Victoria
          Date and time
          March 04, 2014, 5:45PM
          • Tony Abbott a feminist? Sorry, you'll need more than a bit of middle class welfare to make that even vaguely credible...you've got more history to the contrary Tones.

            Commenter
            pugwash
            Location
            earth
            Date and time
            March 04, 2014, 5:41PM
            • Abbotts eye-watering gall continues unabated.

              One only has consider the absence of women in Abbotts cabinet with the token exception of Bishop and his male dominated LNP to realise his absurd claims he is now a 'feminist' and the 'glass ceiling has been smashed' .

              Equal pay for women in Australia does not exist. It also doesn't exist for the disabled, many migrants and many disadvantaged people.

              I believe Abbotts Green Army of young women and men will be added to those underpaid. Cheap labour had by all.

              The exceptional Ms Julia Gillard introduced the first affordable, more equitable PPL scheme, but mendacious Abbott has yet to credit Ms Gillard with her achievement pretending his PPL is the first.

              Abbott talks so much rubbish - he doesn't even know or care what the truth is anymore. Hes a hollow man - a total pretender.

              Any person who deliberately stands in front of signs reading 'Ditch the Witch' and 'Bob Browns Bitch' should never be the Minister of Womens Affairs. His sexist, muck-raking campaign against our first female PM goes down as one of the lowest political moments and for this I will always view him with disrespect and contempt.

              Abbott claimed Minister of Women not to do good, but to nothing except meddle with womens ability to gain power and influence in Australia.

              Abbotts government is wholly unrepresentative of a modern, smart, innovative Australia.

              In Australia, we should all demand more women in governmental positions of power than men. Our country will be better off in every way.

              Commenter
              punch
              Date and time
              March 04, 2014, 5:18PM
              • So, as we reach day's end, Hacka’s original post (about a Ms MacManus and a St Patrick Day march) doesn’t appear to have filled the boards. Missed the attempted deflection, straight through to the keeper. Bowl to your field, Hacka. After all, you have a silly point.

                Commenter
                Gigondas
                Date and time
                March 04, 2014, 5:17PM
                • Quote Kevin Andrews:

                  "The greatest threat facing the western world is not climate change or global warming,"

                  Andrews writes.

                  "It is not the continuing financial crisis. Nor is it the threat of radical Islam. The greatest threat is within. It is the steady, but continuing breakdown of the essential structures of civil society – marriage, family and community."

                  And his favourite movie is 'Noah'.

                  Commenter
                  punch
                  Date and time
                  March 04, 2014, 5:16PM
                  • Its not hard to understand why the left disagree. The family unit has been denigrated and derided by progressives for a long time now and we have seen the effect this has on society. People have no respect for authority which leads to no respect for themselves. The selfish left are always looking for a handout without making a contribution. Why? Because they have no values. values that the family unit teaches.

                    Commenter
                    Pragmatic prince
                    Date and time
                    March 04, 2014, 5:44PM
                • Kevin Andrews had me fooled. He listed all the things that aren’t, in his mind, “the greatest threats facing the western world” (climate change, global warming, financial crisis, radical Islam), but when he revealed what that awful threat was, it had nothing to do with the company that manufactures Grecian 2000 going out of business.

                  Seriously though, non-traditional marriages the greatest threat facing the western world? And this person has considerable influence over the running of our nation? Frightening.

                  Commenter
                  Gigondas
                  Date and time
                  March 04, 2014, 4:58PM
                  • Just a reminder that SBS's Dateline program will be airing allegations tonight at 9.30pm from whistleblowers giving a very different version of events from Scott Morrison's account of how detainees brought it upon themselves by leaving the centre.

                    "The Inside Story"

                    "A Dateline investigation reveals appalling conditions inside Nauru and Manus
                    detention centres with new images and damning whistleblower accounts."

                    www.sbs.com.au/dateline

                    Transcript will be available on the SBS website after the program.

                    Which is something The Bolt Report, 2GB, Sky News, A Current Affair, etc doesn't provide.

                    Commenter
                    Tristan
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    March 04, 2014, 4:48PM
                    • TA Tristan.
                      He might be forced to change his version AGAIN.
                      Has Reza had a post-mortem yet or indeed repatriated?

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      March 04, 2014, 4:54PM
                    • When PNG soluion announced by Rudd, Rudd and Burke wanted to send 10,000 there but Morrison actually argued against that number.

                      I guess Rudd and Burke would have really got their 'island from hell' with 10,000 crammed in.

                      Commenter
                      andie
                      Date and time
                      March 04, 2014, 5:32PM
                  • @ Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews - 4.03 pm. Society can, and still does, function through family and community. The marriage bit is not really necessary.

                    Commenter
                    Jump
                    Date and time
                    March 04, 2014, 4:42PM
                    • "When you think about it, $425,000 is not that much when you think about all the speeches you have to make and hands you have to shake.
                      And all. That. Small. Talk."

                      It is a lot. It's a crumby attempt at humour when one thinks of the millions living on the poverty line.

                      Commenter
                      w ch
                      Date and time
                      March 04, 2014, 4:34PM
                      • re 3.52 post, I didn't know we had Fairfax Radio here in Canberra.

                        Is it FM or AM?

                        Commenter
                        Saddington
                        Location
                        Canberra
                        Date and time
                        March 04, 2014, 4:33PM
                        • The speakers role is supposed to be fair and bipartisan. This is the worst Speaker ever. Maybe it's time to remove the role as a Gift to MPs and instead employees retired Judges to the role with instructions to be bi partisan

                          Commenter
                          Remove The Speaker
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 4:29PM
                          • Unfortunately the Speaker must be an elected member of Parliament. So the Liberals have used it to reward Bronwyn Bishop while ensuring she does less harm (or so they think).

                            But I am concerned that the blatant bias (which is greater than any I can remember in my life regardless of party in power) will actually result in the whole Parliament falling into disrepute.

                            Commenter
                            Whyalla Wipeout
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:36PM
                          • Agreed. Her performance today was absolutely disgraceful. Why her face is not red and burning with shame, I do not know.

                            Commenter
                            Jump
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:36PM
                          • Tony Burke's look at 4:43 says it all.

                            A small point- when you say 'bi partisan', I doubt you'll get Cory Bernardi (or most of the Government's front bench) on side. Straight partisan maybe.

                            Commenter
                            Gigondas
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:55PM
                          • You'd have to change the constitution.
                            I used to enjoy QT for it's theatrics. now it's a farce and she has made it a mockery of our democratic system.
                            No doubt the Govt smirks at her expense but likes it just the way it is.
                            Slipper for all his faults and dress ups conducted himself and controlled the house fairly.

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 5:02PM
                        • Ross

                          You still fail to understand that WMD were made under the authorisation of Saddam. It was not only a matter of if WMD existed, it was also a matter of Saddam's ordering WMD production and how quickly this could be achieved. This was always a consideration that had to taken seriously. The fact that he used them before in flagrant disregard of the Geneva Convention made this mandatory.

                          Commenter
                          Pen of hrba
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 4:25PM
                          • Plus Sadam continued with daily threats to use WMD via missiles against Israel. If someone threatens to kill you I think you'd quickly assess that given his previous mass murder he is a credible threat. Ross, can't you carry a different cross in life? Howard wasn't as bad as you make out. What would you do about Putin?

                            Commenter
                            enough is enough
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:31PM
                          • Wow, a Howard apologist. Howard was a prolific liar. He could tell a boldfaced lie with conviction. He lied so much that they called him Honest John. It was sarcasm. It wasn't until his last term in government that people realised that every time he said something, he would do the exact opposite. So they got rid of him. People have such short memories.

                            Commenter
                            Tone
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:36PM
                          • Saddam Hussein was no threat to anyone when we blasted Iraq to bits, stop trying to defend the indefensible.

                            Commenter
                            Marilyn
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 5:43PM
                        • Has somebody asked the government what is happening to the orange boats being used to transport refugees. I did read a boat has been stripped. These boats are costing us a huge sum of money so perhaps they could be brought back to Australia or are they just going to leave them wherever the refuges are dropped off?

                          Commenter
                          Robyn
                          Location
                          rural NSW
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 4:06PM
                          • I'm waiting for an enterprising smuggler to send one back full after a quick paint job.

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:26PM
                          • Perhaps they're included in the 'extra aid' Australia promised to Indonesia? A more practical gift to the fishermen rather than money for building up infrastructure - like schools and hospitals.

                            Commenter
                            Jump
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:35PM
                        • All these ALP MPs being kicked out of QT. but has anyone really noticed that they have gone? their contribution is zero whilst there so no great loss.

                          Commenter
                          enough is enough
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 4:04PM
                          • That's what we'll all be saying when One Term Tony and his bunch of mediocres get kicked out at the next election.

                            Commenter
                            JJ
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:24PM
                          • QT is a waste of time. LNP performs in a circus with Bishop the elder as ringmaster

                            Commenter
                            Really ?
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 5:23PM
                        • Cwitty 3.19pm "But of course lefties are all smarter than the majority. All decisions should be made by inner city types who are clearly superior to the will of the people."

                          Recent brain research and studies show progressives are on the whole smarter than conservatives.

                          So CWitty's sarcastic attempted put down is unWittyingly true.

                          Commenter
                          Lyn
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 3:57PM
                          • Then Lyn how is it that - for fear of generalising very broadly - conservatives run business and lefties represent the working class ?

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:14PM
                          • Whoah! Hacka, Hacka, Hacka, that thinking went out with the Edwardians. What's to say that the 'working class' (as you quaintly put it) is made up of all the thick members of society, and the ruling class (just using a term you’ll feel comfortable with) are unswervingly smart? I think you’ll find intelligence might not be class based.

                            I suppose you also believe in phrenology?

                            Commenter
                            Gigondas
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:46PM
                          • Agreed Gigondas - but Lyn's comment was rather out there.

                            Lyn - was that "research" conducted in your back yard after a couple of quiet ones or can you substantiate the claim ?

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:54PM
                        • Just heard Doug Cameron in the Senate saying Qantas was crucial for Australia's defence. Is this guy for real? How would Qantas help defend Australia? The ALP are going as stupid as the Greens.

                          Commenter
                          Enough is enough
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 3:55PM
                          • The stupidity must have rubbed off.
                            The PM and Co say civil immigration matters ie refugee arrivals are in the realms of military defensive operations - its a a war even,
                            then the same logic (in reverse) should be allowed to the Opposition.
                            Qantas is used for evacuating Australians from foreign trouble spots involving local fighting, wars, insurgency or natural disasters etc
                            Presume that is what was meant by Q having a role in our defense.
                            Otherwise he is as cracked as the LNP.

                            Commenter
                            Lyn
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:12PM
                          • Err, ferrying troops from A to B ASAP.

                            Commenter
                            Pen of hrba
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:18PM
                          • Wow you really do have a low level 'it's all about making the other team look bad!!' view of things don't you e-i-e?

                            To answer your question, in addition to any heavy troop lift capability the main game is QANTAS Defence Services. They do a lot of maintenance on things like the mid-air refuelers (converted airliners) and the VIP fleet. Sure QDS is already foreign owned but the work is largely done in Aus. But you know, feel free to wail away.

                            Commenter
                            wonk_ arama
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:34PM
                          • Defence doesn't use Qantas. Flights to conflict zones are tendered out to international air operators. For example troops are moved to Afghanistan in refitted foreign owned transport planes. No Qantas hospitality on tap. Why not use the same logic for those other suggestions, send in the cheapest and effective air tan org. Cameron has no idea how Defence operates.

                            Commenter
                            enough is enough
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:37PM
                          • Enough Is Enough,

                            Yes, the Defence force jets should be used in appropriate circumstances, not Qantas.

                            Like ferrying WA Liberal MPs and their families from WA to Canberra at a cost of $50,000 per hour.

                            "
                            Politicians spend more to commute by RAAF jets"
                            (SMH 16 Nov 2013)

                            "Federal politicians taking Air Force-operated VIP flights are costing taxpayers $50,000 for every hour spent in the air."

                            "Documents obtained by Fairfax Media call into question the Abbott government's insistence that the use of luxury RAAF jets to shuttle ministers and MPs to Canberra from as far away as Perth is often more economical than individual commercial fares."

                            www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/politicians-spend-more-to-commute-by-raaf-jets-20131115-2xmcd.html

                            That's money that could have been spent on worthier causes, like George Brandis second set of customised bookcases for his personal collection of rubbish books.

                            Or Tony Abbott's chartered flights to the Tamworth Country Music Festival or Port Macquarie triathlon for "official business".

                            Commenter
                            Tristan
                            Location
                            Melbourne
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 5:22PM
                        • Everyone here seems to be getting most passionate today, but spare a though for Judith Durham.

                          Morrison just called Bronnie "Madam Seeker". One suspects Judith would not be amused.

                          Commenter
                          Hacka
                          Location
                          Canberra
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 3:49PM
                          • He's been hanging out with too many rentseekers of late and just an innocent slip of the tongue. Overworked and underpaid he needs a bit of time out with his family. A relaxing sailing trip to an exotic Indonesian palm lined isle would do the trick.
                            Or there's the floating hotel off Manus.

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:14PM
                        • Shorten is being exposed for the lightweight he is and being outmaneuvered at every turn by the Government.

                          I wonder how much longer he will last before the faceless men turf him out of his leadership role?.

                          What will his mother in Law say?.

                          Commenter
                          Toys will get played.
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 3:47PM
                          • When the Liberals turn out the faceless woman who controls them, then the ALP will probably do likewise with its faceless men.

                            Commenter
                            Ross
                            Location
                            MALLABULA
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 3:52PM
                          • @toysblahblah. a couple of spelling mistakes with your rant so have taken the liberty to make a few corrections

                            "abbott is being exposed for the lightweight he is and being outmaneuvered at every turn by the facts.

                            I wonder how much longer he will last before peta credlin turfs him out of his leadership role?.

                            What will George Pell say?.

                            Commenter
                            harry
                            Location
                            melbourne
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 3:54PM
                          • Yes where is the Member for InCredlinibility?
                            She was sitting in the House yesterday.

                            Commenter
                            Lyn
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 4:01PM
                        • Time to give some credit, when credit is due. They are exceptionable masters at dishonesty, misleading, deflecting and extending the truth.
                          Like purveyors of fine wine this mob excels at purveying dishonesty.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          March 04, 2014, 3:42PM
                          • 'Abbott says that the government respects people's confidentiality.
                            "It is not in the business of revealing personal information about people."'

                            Unless of course it can make a political point out of it.

                            Commenter
                            Whyalla Wipeout
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 3:35PM
                            • “Yet another example of upper class corporate welfare. Lets be real CEO's and executives are earning obscene salaries with the workers always told to exercise wage restraint with retrenchment as the final payoff. The fact that the Abbott Gov't is happy to provide tax concessions to the mining companies who are taking resources that belong to all Australians, provide funding to private schools taking much needed funding away from the Gov't schools to great disadvantage of young Australians not to mention the maternity allowance for wealthy mothers this is not about 'governing for all Australians' as Abbott promised. This is a government which has no plan for the future following in the footsteps of the Howard era where our future was squandered with no investtment in education and the skills for a new economy..the lack of action under Howard is now apparent.

                              Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/money/investing/winged-but-is-qantas-terminal-20140304-340y8.html#ixzz2uy2gUjXA

                              Commenter
                              George
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:08PM
                            • Abbott says that the government respects people's confidentiality.
                              "It is not in the business of revealing personal information about people."'
                              Simple. Stupid. Spin.
                              And the details of the 10,000 asylum seekers/refugees recently published on the web don't count?
                              Course not. They are non-people as evidenced by their detention and treatment on Manus. Non-people cannot have personal details, so the details that the Govt is in the habit of revealing about them on the web recently, which if they were people would constitute personal details, do not.
                              Simple. Stupid. Spin

                              Commenter
                              Lyn
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:28PM
                          • $106 million in carbon tax sounds like about 1,000 jobs, maybe 1,500. It's a pretty straight line calculation.

                            Qantas, Holden, Toyota, Alcoa - have worked it out yet Bill - repeal time perhaps ?

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 3:33PM
                            • It is if one is fool, Hacka and does not understand Qantas in as far as they claim the carbon price is NOT AN ISSUE. Do you understand what NOT AN ISSUE MEANS, Hacka?

                              Commenter
                              Pen of hrba
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 3:57PM
                            • Hi hacka!
                              Why are those same businesses being so adamant that the carbon tax (pollution tax apparently) had nothing to do with what's happened?
                              Genuine, out of curiosity question. I mean it's not a good look for qantas et al to be calling our treasurer and pm liars.

                              Commenter
                              bridgetkgw
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:00PM
                            • Hacka,

                              Qantas, Holden, Alcoa all announced job losses after Abbott won the election on 7 Sep 2013.

                              Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and Assistant Immigration Minister Michaelia Cash are also stacking the board and rigging the 457 visa inquiry they've decided to hold this year to reverse Labor's safeguards introduced last year from 1 Jul 2013 - all of which were opposed by the Liberal party.

                              The Liberals have no commitment to jobs for Australians.

                              Which is why Morrison and Cash are importing between 190,000 and 220,000 guest workers this year to undercut local pay and conditions and despite there now being 800,000 unemployed Australians registered for Newstart and countless thousands who are not.

                              Commenter
                              Tristan
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:10PM
                            • bridgetkgw - not sure, you'd have to ask the Irishman - are you supporting him ?

                              Maybe that's part of Qantas' problem. Any business that loses $250m, including $106m in CT, sacks 5,000 staff, then claims the $106m wasn't an issue, clearly doesn't know how to read a P&L statement.

                              Or much about business ....

                              Commenter
                              Hacka
                              Location
                              Canberra
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:10PM
                            • Pen of hrba - you are hillarious...paying $106 million out of money a company does not have IS an issue. No matter what the company official statement says. Its a double edge sword - if QANTA stated it is an issue - then all the left wing will shout that QANTAS does nto care about the environment!

                              Commenter
                              Pawel
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 4:16PM
                          • Can't get Air New Zealand out of my head. Maybe it has something to do with the advertising at the top of this column....

                            Commenter
                            dRod
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            March 04, 2014, 3:32PM
                            • PM's answer at 3.04.
                              "Does anyone seriously believe that airlines want to pay the carbon tax?"

                              Its not a matter of belief, its a matter of fact and Albanese presented the evidence and Abbott denied it.

                              Galileo knew how Albo must feel.

                              Commenter
                              Lyn
                              Date and time
                              March 04, 2014, 3:28PM
                              • Oh Dolores is deplorable.
                                First I've seen live for this sitting.
                                Time for a mass walkout
                                They can Dix between themselves
                                And Dolores can have a chill.
                                Farcical.

                                Commenter
                                A country gal
                                Date and time
                                March 04, 2014, 3:26PM
                                  • Dolores probably wouldn't notice they had gone and still give the opposition the call

                                    Commenter
                                    Rhm
                                    Date and time
                                    March 04, 2014, 3:54PM
                                • For goodness sake someone tell Abbott that countries with a carbon price/ETS include CHINA, UNITED STATES (9 states). CANADA (Quebec, British Columbia, Alberta, British Columbia and Ontario). INDIA, NEW ZEALAND, SOUTH KOREA, JAPAN, EUROPE (28 countries), FINLAND, THE NETHERLANDS, SWEDEN NORWAY, DENMARK, SWITZERLAND, IRELAND, COSTA RICA, BRAZIL, and SOUTH AFRICA.

                                  The carbon industry today is worth in excess of $100 billion. Abbott is so out touch with reality on this issue he has no right whatsoever to be prime minister.

                                  Commenter
                                  Pen of hrba
                                  Date and time
                                  March 04, 2014, 3:26PM
                                  • Church
                                    But you often write sense

                                    Commenter
                                    pen's fan gal
                                    Date and time
                                    March 04, 2014, 4:03PM
                                • I don't understand the Government's attack on the carbon price as a driving cost/reason to its current woes? They passed on the cost of the carbon price to their passengers. It has been the cost war between virgin and qantas that has driven down prices to levels that are obviously unsustainable for the running of their business needs. It seems misleading and disingenuous to make such claims.

                                  Commenter
                                  Dermot
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  March 04, 2014, 3:26PM
                                  • watching bill speak on the issue of public importance after QT is refreshing. about time I see passion from him.
                                    I am disgusted with the liberals, they couldnt care any less about jobs if they tried.
                                    Thanks go to fairfax as well. The liberal wall of lies is crumbling and they will eventually be exposed for the morally and intellectually barren party they are

                                    Commenter
                                    harry
                                    Location
                                    melbourne
                                    Date and time
                                    March 04, 2014, 3:25PM
                                    • Tony is not in the business of revealing personal information about people. Really ? How does that sit with revealing ALP Cabinet Papers ? Won't they show how "people" responded to the issues at hand

                                      Commenter
                                      Really ?
                                      Date and time
                                      March 04, 2014, 3:18PM
                                      • Abbott also claimed that Australia doesn't spy for commercial reasons.

                                        Timor-Leste would beg to differ.

                                        Commenter
                                        Tristan
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 4:42PM
                                    • Wow. That's the most passionate I've seen Shorten - ever!

                                      Commenter
                                      Jump
                                      Date and time
                                      March 04, 2014, 3:16PM
                                      • Damn I missed it.
                                        History making.

                                        Commenter
                                        A country gal
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:21PM
                                    • Why do the coalition pretend that the carbon tax cost Qantas $106 million, when the costs are just passed on to the consumer, you never get the $$ amount that Qantas absorbs itself.

                                      Commenter
                                      Tim
                                      Location
                                      InnerCity
                                      Date and time
                                      March 04, 2014, 3:11PM
                                      • TIM - If Electricity Bill gets out of the way and respects the will of the people, QANTAS won’t have to pass on the TAX or absorb the TAX. It’s called democracy and the majority has spoken.

                                        But of course lefties are all smarter than the majority. All decisions should be made by inner city types who are clearly superior to the will of the people.

                                        Commenter
                                        Cwitty
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:19PM
                                      • Whilst Qantas & Virgin are locked in a loss-making fight to the death over market share nothing gets passed on to the consumer. The carbon tax and a lot more of Qantas' other overheads are just getting absorbed resulting in record losses.

                                        Commenter
                                        Lewis
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:27PM
                                      • cwitty, do you realise your party is in government. What on earth has this got to do with labor - it is your responsibility to get things through government.
                                        Your lot have no clue how to govern - slogans will only capture so many bogans for so long.

                                        Commenter
                                        harry
                                        Location
                                        melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:35PM
                                      • Cwitty - the point is that Abbott and co are blaming the troubles of Qantas on the fake problem of a so-called carbon tax.
                                        I know that you know this and you are only covering for the hopeless bunch who are now in power.

                                        Commenter
                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 4:01PM
                                    • Andrew Robb answers a question about how will Qantas support tourism if they dont call Australia home?
                                      And straight out of the Lib handbook on how to answer a question - look over there at Labor - Labor never did anything for tourism etc etc.
                                      And also blames penalty rates (beat the drum, hypnotise the punters).
                                      And the the Bishop rules that the answer is relevant. Pfffff.

                                      Commenter
                                      Lyn
                                      Date and time
                                      March 04, 2014, 3:04PM
                                        • B. Bishop really does make one realise just how much QT is a waste of time.

                                          Commenter
                                          Jump
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:07PM
                                        • A silly question gets a rambling answer.

                                          Commenter
                                          David Morrison
                                          Location
                                          Blue Mountains
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:16PM
                                        • At least every second question gets a rambling dissembling answer - and those are just the Dorothy Dixers . The answers to the Opposition are just patently dishonest and show the contempt the Government has for the voters' rights to accountability.

                                          I have never seen an Australian government so keen to spit in the face of the electors of this nation - even the ones who voted for them.

                                          Commenter
                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:43PM
                                      • The Pulse at 2:58pm. "Speaker, seeker, schmeeeker, just get the madam bit right."

                                        Commenter
                                        Lewis
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:01PM
                                        • The Seekers were pretty good.

                                          Commenter
                                          David Morrison
                                          Location
                                          Blue Mountains
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:17PM
                                        • "The. Carnival is over".

                                          Commenter
                                          A country gal
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:20PM
                                      • Clearly the Abbott oligarch is dodging and weaving in every way possible to prevent an explanation of how Qantas is in trouble due to the carbon taxwhen Qantas itself state that the carbon tax is not an issue. In fact Qantas' endorses a carbon price as a good initiative to protect the environment.

                                        However, Robb and Abbott dishonestly try to make the carbon price an issue regarding the Qantas problem.

                                        Commenter
                                        Pen of hrba
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 3:00PM
                                        • Pen the Carbon TAX cost QANTAS 106 million dollars. The loss would have been reduced by half if they didn't have to pay the carbon tax. They need financial help. Giving them 106 million dollars today is financial help. Labor would prefer to give them 100 million gift rather them a 100 million dollar tax break.

                                          Commenter
                                          Cwitty
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:14PM
                                        • Just like the lies he spun about SPC and Toyota and Holden and and and....

                                          It wouldn't be so bad but he himself said during the election that he wanted to raise the standards of Parliament and yet he has just increased the rate of lies from him and his team.

                                          Commenter
                                          Lance
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:17PM
                                        • Not the first person or corporation the LNP have verballed and unfortunately will not be the last.

                                          The motto - Repeat it often, Repeat it loud

                                          Commenter
                                          Ted
                                          Location
                                          Hawthorn
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:24PM
                                        • Cwitty
                                          Then please explain the massive carbon tax on flying out of Heathrow & EU that every airliner & passenger has to endure.
                                          The carbon tax in Australia is not on its Pat Malone.
                                          Most airlines are subject to a carbon tax

                                          Commenter
                                          Econorat
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:27PM
                                        • It's one of the issues weighing down businesses in this country. $6b and only 0.1% reduction in carbon emission is not a good economic outcome.

                                          http://www.climate-connect.co.uk/Home/?q=Australia%E2%80%99s%20carbon%20tax%20cut%20emissions%20by%20less%20than%200.1%25%20in%20its%20first%20year

                                          Commenter
                                          Rodrigo
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:41PM
                                        • I would think that as half their deficit is carbon tax it might be helpfull to remove it from their books.

                                          Commenter
                                          Annie
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:46PM
                                        • Come on Pen. It would be dishonest to say that the carbon tax did not have an impact. Of course it did, granted it was not the only or even the main factor but it did have an impact.

                                          Lance, grow up. We all saw the truth about SPC and we know that it was labor and stone who were telling porkies. Funny how the press ignored Bill Shortens 2004 boast about getting the workers at SPC more holidays. Do you think that had an impact? No I'm sure don't. Its all about side with you, issues are immaterial. Side is all that matters.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pragmatic prince
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:46PM
                                        • Well I reckon the GST has had a bigger impact on the poor and the middle class than the Carbon Tax. The GST, a Liberal Party tax which is the biggest tax ever introduced in Australian history, is far more unproductive. It is a drag on our economy. Perhaps if you want to reduce the cost of living you should scrap the GST.

                                          Commenter
                                          Tone
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 4:28PM
                                      • BS is getting upset the Libs don't have a plan B.

                                        I recall Gillard/Swan and all of Labor telling us there was no need for a "plan B" because they were going to deliver us a Surplus!

                                        Commenter
                                        You Got
                                        Location
                                        Nothing
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 2:56PM
                                        • And I remember this government saying they had a plan during the election and it was nothing more than a glossy brochure as everything is now sent to an external (and well aid) consultants to develop the plans for them.

                                          The government in this case doesn't have a plan B because they don't want to resolve the problem they created. Why would they when it is a great political wedge play that does nothing to address the Qantas problems but lets them get a good sound byte on TV.

                                          Commenter
                                          Lance
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:09PM
                                        • Wouldn't that highlight the need for a plan b then?

                                          Commenter
                                          bridgetkgw
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:11PM
                                      • Michael Pascoe hits the nail or should we say Joey Hockey right on the head yet again. A concise summary of a "lightweight" treasurer who's tenure is increasingly becoming a shambles.

                                        Commenter
                                        Ted
                                        Location
                                        Hawthorn
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 2:54PM
                                        • Michael Pascoe? Has there been an article he has written that isn't critical of the Coalition?

                                          Commenter
                                          Jumperdog
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:46PM
                                      • Was there only one fatality during the Manus Island trouble?

                                        Commenter
                                        peter
                                        Location
                                        daintree
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 2:53PM
                                        • The damaging report from an ex pat worker would indicate that there must be more but we are not being told in fact we are not being told how the injured detainees are. According to the worker there was blood everywhere and most of the injuries were from head injuries.

                                          Commenter
                                          Amro
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 3:56PM
                                      • Supertrawlers: If you want to stop Indonesian fisherman entering Australian waters because they've overfished their own territory, just overfish your own territory first. Then they'll have no reason to come, and we can all starve together.

                                        Commenter
                                        James
                                        Location
                                        Cranbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        March 04, 2014, 2:53PM
                                        • Pyne puts Milne and her fellows of the ring back into the blueberry fields.

                                          Commenter
                                          enough is enough
                                          Date and time
                                          March 04, 2014, 2:50PM
                                          • Memo to Chris Pyne - Lord of the Rings waws set in NZ - just because Tassie and Sth Island NZ both have lush green pastures does mkae make them interchangeable . . . . . Guess Geography was not his strong suit at School.

                                            Commenter
                                            MST
                                            Date and time
                                            March 04, 2014, 2:50PM
                                            • Either that or you're drawing a long bow.

                                              Commenter
                                              Lewis
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              March 04, 2014, 2:59PM
                                          • abbottto sounds like a little boy who has been caught out sneakily trying to sell off his mothers jewels(Qantas), and now he's trying to justify it with every dirty little lie he can think of.....

                                            Commenter
                                            Little boy blue
                                            Date and time
                                            March 04, 2014, 2:45PM
                                            • Suggest the LNP cheer squad all read the Dummies Guide to Politics in today's Canberra Times and pin up a copy in their Minister's office - that might prompt a rethink on how to get a few policy runs on the board.

                                              Commenter
                                              ho hum
                                              Date and time
                                              March 04, 2014, 2:40PM
                                              • How can anyone not like 'Super trawler'. ‘Super’ joined at the start of another word makes that word awesome. 'Man' - the word has negative connotations add ‘Super’ and it turns Awesome. Rugby - boring, but add ‘Super’ and it becomes a little less boring. It's true too with serving sizes - Super is clearly the best size. So limit the amount of fish they can catch don't limit the Awesomeness. Tasmania is clearly lacking awesomeness and could do with anything with ‘Super’ at the start of it.

                                                Commenter
                                                Super Cwitty
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                March 04, 2014, 2:36PM
                                                • Lewis

                                                  "In 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Partition Treaty, establishing two independent national fleets and dividing armaments and bases between them.[6] Ukraine also agreed to lease major parts of its new bases to the Russian Black Sea Fleet until 2017.

                                                  However, the treaty appeared to be far from perfect: permanent tensions on the lease details (including often reported issue of lighthouses) control continued. The Fleet's main base is still situated in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol. In 2009 the Yushchenko Ukrainian government declared that the lease would not be extended and that the fleet would have to leave Sevastopol by 2017.

                                                  However, in 2010 the Russian leasehold was renegotiated with an extension until 2042 and an option for an additional five years until 2047" (Wiki).

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                  Date and time
                                                  March 04, 2014, 2:31PM
                                                    • That may be so, Pen, but they're still moving to their own coast & port city.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Lewis
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      March 04, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                  • Re Andrew Wilke's question @ 2.19
                                                    Agreed the idea of Super trawlers in our waters is not a happy prospect! What really concerns me in the near future however is all of the Super Crawlers about to come out of the woodwork with the impending royal visit. Tony Abbott's cow towing to Prince Harry , last year was bad enough. Hate to think about how cringe worthy it all about to become when Mr and Mrs Windsor and young George arrive in April!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    meganjj
                                                    Location
                                                    melbourne
                                                    Date and time
                                                    March 04, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                    • So how much money is being spent on Scott Morrison's PR team to basically tell us, er, nothing?

                                                      There are 66 spin doctors in Scott's posse, all earning tax payers money. At at least $100,000 each, that's almost $7 million dollars.

                                                      Money well spent, eh?

                                                      Blown on nothing. Nothing to see here. Just the government's gross wastefulness.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tone
                                                      Location
                                                      Melbourne
                                                      Date and time
                                                      March 04, 2014, 2:15PM
                                                      • And there's not meant to be any boats, so why the need. A troll assures me they were employed by Labor, don't know don't care. both have handled this situation deplorably, at the behest of polls or shock jocks.
                                                        But the point is why the need for these spinners if there are no boats?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:24PM
                                                      • All 66 spin doctors were appointed under the ALP Govt. Try some different spin.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        enough is enough
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                      • Gal

                                                        Of course there are boats they look like floating carrots and cost $33,000.00 each. A giveaway price too if you ask me?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                      • Why the present Liberal government would try to blame the previous government for gross waste of taxpayers funds under the Liberal watch, I don't know. Sounds like a dubious claim to me.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tone
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:50PM
                                                      • Why does Morrison and his Dept need 66 spin doctors?
                                                        It must be part of the 2m jobs creation plan.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Lyn
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:52PM
                                                      • And, will they add the 66+ to the employment figures they're meant to be heading towards?
                                                        In the words of P Wicks: "...the last time unemployment was this high in Australia was under the Coalition back in July 2003, when we had another lacklustre employment minister — the current Prime Minister Tony Abbott."

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Jump
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                      • Enough is enough, the ALP are no longer in power, although the way the Liberals are behaving, not surprised you might believe that.

                                                        Stop blaming the ALP for something that is clearly the responsibility of government.

                                                        The spin doctors are employed now. ALP has no control of that at all. Zilch. Zero.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        James
                                                        Location
                                                        Cranbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 3:06PM
                                                      • 66 spin doctors employed by Labor = good.
                                                        66 spin doctors employed by the Coalition = bad.

                                                        Yes, I get it now. That type of thinking is ineluctable.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Dr Moss
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 3:59PM
                                                      • No, 66 spin doctors paid to do absolutely nothing is bad. Sack the lot. Save almost $7 million dollars of taxpayers money.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Tone
                                                        Location
                                                        Melbourne
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 4:17PM
                                                    • BS is going to fall into the QANTAS QT trap again. Tony wants him to ask questions on it so he on wedge them on Carbon tax repeal and removing the 'Shackles'. It's ground hog day for the Labor QT strategy team. They only have dodgy questions and the tactic for Tony Burke to get upset and speak without manners to an old lady. It looks amateurish. Albo needs to help out more.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Cwitty
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      March 04, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                      • "Without manners to an old lady"
                                                        That same old lady who, despite having a bible of rules she reminded everyone else about, is having a Very hard time remembering she is Supposed to be impartial.
                                                        If the ref is biased, don't expect the opposing team to play nice.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        bridgetkgw
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 3:13PM
                                                    • I still don't understand Carbon Cate's Oscar. Why didn't she get the Oscar for her TV Ads that supported the toxic carbon tax? surely that was her most convincing performance.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      enough is enough
                                                      Date and time
                                                      March 04, 2014, 2:07PM
                                                        • Please explain the toxicity of 0.43% of 1% of GDP, go ahead make my day and please inform us how $6.6 billion of an $1.5 trillion economy can be wrecked by such a small fraction of toxicity.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          March 04, 2014, 2:45PM
                                                        • The vast majority ost of our GDP is static in that services and government and non-discretionary expenditures + normal investments do not change much.

                                                          To put this into perspective, our agriculture industries contribute only 2% to GDP, while the mining investment boom adds 1.5% (out of a total 5.2% for mining).

                                                          0.4% of GDP is a big deal as it represents 20% of agriculture or 25% of the mining investment. It's the same as 20% of all farmers walking off the land.

                                                          You need to understand what makes up GDP and what it represents.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Rodrigo
                                                          Date and time
                                                          March 04, 2014, 3:05PM
                                                        • EisE I believe accommodation specials are at the best you can ever buy down Morwell way. "Go get close to real carbon nature" is the catch cry.
                                                          Put it on your long weekend get away wishlist. But book soon, rooms selling quickly, a once of experience (hopefully).

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          March 04, 2014, 3:09PM
                                                      • Great, Question Time again. Will Shorten speak with any sense and conviction? or is he still looking behind his back dodging Paul Howes shadow ?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        enough is enough
                                                        Date and time
                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                        • Bernardi Photo at 1.35.
                                                          I like to imagine what he was saying during that photo. "I'm mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore"

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Cwitty
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          March 04, 2014, 2:03PM
                                                          • How funny the thought of Clive Palmer - standing in front of the 9th green at Coolum with a T-rex in the background, talking about his future plans for Qantas.

                                                            Shouldn't he be in question time instead ?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Hacka
                                                            Location
                                                            Canberra
                                                            Date and time
                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:50PM
                                                            • I wonder if he'll kick the News Ltd reporter out again?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Lewis
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              March 04, 2014, 2:33PM
                                                          • I had wondered why Bernardi had been dragged into the arena once again.
                                                            Clearly, it's for the adoption talks being juxtaposed with the soft sell of the "Mum, Dad and two kiddies" notion of the "Right Family Values". No social engineering here, huh?

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Jump
                                                            Date and time
                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:42PM
                                                            • Treating a refugee child humanly PM?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              The brown note
                                                              Date and time
                                                              March 04, 2014, 1:24PM
                                                              • Obviously it matters not who the PM is in this government. Mr Abbott, Mr Hockey, Mr Turnbull ....

                                                                LaborGreen Party is determined to wreck the senate to get back into government as they don't accept that the conservatives won (in a huge win too).
                                                                That can be the only answer as to why they are determined to drive Australia into the ground.

                                                                With that, adieu, my socialist friends.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                christielle
                                                                Location
                                                                HP
                                                                Date and time
                                                                March 04, 2014, 1:14PM
                                                                • Ah, the irony.
                                                                  So if Abbott and co. opposed everything to stymie the Labor government and get back into, that is OK?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  stevek
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  March 04, 2014, 1:40PM
                                                                • It must be hard for you to believe that some people other than the LNP stick to their convictions and wont bow over to peoples ideology they disagree with.
                                                                  Maybe past LNP oppositions are making a mockery of your view. I forgot LNP believe they are born to rule.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Tim
                                                                  Location
                                                                  InnerCity
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  March 04, 2014, 1:46PM
                                                                • Do you understand why we have a senate?
                                                                  They also get voted in dearie. Ever wondered why people vote differently in the houses?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  A country gal
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  March 04, 2014, 1:59PM
                                                                • Come off the grass. It was Abbott who said that it is the oppositions job to oppose and he opposed everything with a passion. He even had his foreign minister publicly correcting him on the silliness of opposing the Indonesian schools funding policy becase it was to act against terrorism.

                                                                  All in the name of making government unworkable to gain political points. Even this Qantas wedge has nothing to do with the airline and everything to do with gaining cheap political points.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Lance
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  March 04, 2014, 3:06PM
                                                              • How laughable to hear criticism of Russia's actions by those co-conspirators of the illegal invasion and destruction of Iraq - USA, UK and - tongue drooping and tail wagging - ever-faithful Australia.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Max Gross
                                                                Location
                                                                Sapphire Coast
                                                                Date and time
                                                                March 04, 2014, 12:59PM
                                                                  • Hypocrisy knows no boundaries....

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Jump
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 1:08PM
                                                                  • And so another gullible conveniently forgets the WMD used by Iraq against Iran, including mustard gas and sarin. And that same gullible conveniently forgets the trails of black smoke spiralling upwards from hundreds of Kuwaiti oil wells.

                                                                    Is there any other changes that you would like to make to historicity?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                  • Pen? To whom was that directed?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Jump
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 1:29PM
                                                                  • Pen,
                                                                    werent the oil well fires in 1992?
                                                                    So that action by Iraq ( not condoning it) justifies the 'second' Iraq war in 2003?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Lyn
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                                  • hi pen - you are making the same error as Jack Richards.

                                                                    Iraq once had WMDs in the same way that Japan once invaded Manchuria. At the time that Howard told us that we had to invade Iraq to remove those WMDs, they did not exist. Furthermore, we knew that they did not exist. For not only Hans Blix but our own ONA had informed us (including Howard) that they did not exist.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Ross
                                                                    Location
                                                                    MALLABULA
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 2:09PM
                                                                  • Mr Hrbas, you do realise that the USA was assisting Saddam Hussein in his was with Iran?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 4:44PM
                                                                • Hacka, you should spend some time reviewing what you write before you push the "post comment" button, or just learn to spell.
                                                                  But it's not only the spelling you should review but your dogged support of the unsupportable and your blind defense of the indefensible.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  ASK
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Canberra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  March 04, 2014, 12:56PM
                                                                  • Clearly Bernardi has conveniently chosen to ignore a man saying: "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me."

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    March 04, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                    • 12.36 Arrgh Kevin Andrews, sticking his nose into state politics along with fellow conspirators Kruger, Frydenburg, Pyne's staffer et al who stacked it for Tim Smith over the Vic Abortion Reform Bill to which Mary Wooldridge crossed the floor.
                                                                      Yep the DLP are busy, alive and well just wearing different hats in the duopoly.
                                                                      Naptime is gone.
                                                                      As for Cory, first we've heard of him since Peta ordered him to lay low.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      A country gal
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                      • LOL A country girl! That's the first time I've seen the term, "Naptime'. Love it. Will be on my 'most popular list' until after the election. Cheers.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jump
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                      • Not my original Jump, but when the shoe fits. it's not mean, it's just apt.
                                                                        But yes factional lords at work in Vic. To dump a lib moderate, and a female Minister reeks of power play.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        A country gal
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:55PM
                                                                    • "Perhaps making him the Liza Minelli of international politics?)"

                                                                      Perhaps because we're in a country far far away and much smaller? Could that be it?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      christielle
                                                                      Location
                                                                      HP
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:46PM
                                                                      • christielle, I think Judith was trying out that new fangled thing called 'humour'.

                                                                        Yes, I agree. It will never catch on.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Gigondas
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                    • Both Parties really need to step it up a notch and actually come up with better plans for Qantas. LNP's plan for a change to the sale act is clearly going to be blocked and they have no Plan B. This forces Qantas to keep jobs in Aus, great, but it does nothing to strengthen the company's financial position.

                                                                      On the other side, the only thing we hear from the opposition is to open the cheque book. Looking at how that panned out with the car companies, clearly it is also not a permanent solution. Unless the operating costs in Aus go down dramatically, it's just delaying the inevitable.

                                                                      Both parties are so stubborn, there is no effort from either side to say, you know what, why don't we work on something we can both agree on that can assist Qantas to turn it around.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Alex
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:45PM
                                                                      • You don't seem to understand what a debt guarantee is/does. Let's take a simple case of an individual applying for a loan from the bank. Imagine having rich parents (i.e. the government) who were willing to be your guarantor. You still have to be responsible for getting and servicing the loan, however, if you get into trouble they have promised the bank they will help out. In other words, the bank's risk becomes low. Hopefully this call to your parents never happens; particularly as the bank finance should give you some sense of financial security and responsibility, and you strive to use it the opportunity well, not recklessly. I guess the bottom line is that Qantas should do everything they can to be worthy of this guarantee. However, it doesn't seem fair to have the option off the table!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Passionfruit
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:17PM
                                                                    • Deary me, the G8 membership does not include Australia. Repeat it again.....

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:43PM
                                                                      • But the G20 does. Repeat after me.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                      • WW - Kevin invented the G20 didn't he? Thank god he was around when Bush was asking questions about it.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Pragmatic prince
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:29PM
                                                                      • WW - deflection is no defence. It's the G8 not G20. Pity you don't understand the difference nor does the scribe.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:58PM
                                                                      • Well e-I-e (and HRH) there is our membership of the UN Security Council. Admittedly our vote on this issue isn't in doubt and also there's likely little that the UNSC will be able to do given Russia's veto power, but as a member we do have a voice and we should be heard from.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Wonk_arama
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:25PM
                                                                      • The UN? yep they've stopped all those atrocities in the past haven't they? the luvvies have claimed the G20 is the same as the G8 and now the UN is somehow related to the world's Economic bodies. Bizarre.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:44PM
                                                                      • e-i-e I know for you it's all about the patiently pedestrian partisan political point scoring but how about you take a moment and consider this?

                                                                        The 'G8 selfie' is all about what's happening in The Ukraine. Aust may not have a seat at the G8 but we do have one at the UNSC where things like possible economic sanctions get debated. If the UNSC can't (as is likely) agree to any action what other world body might? Still can't see the interconnection between bodies like the UNSC and G8/G20?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        wonk_ arama
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 3:12PM
                                                                      • Prag and EIEIO. Couldn't you work out which one of you had the deflection duties?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 4:00PM
                                                                    • will be very interesting to see how the media portray the blocking of qantas sale act by senate. will they focus on the credlin governments failure to pass bills like they did with the previous government or the fact that labor and palmer blocked it.
                                                                      I hope fairfax maintains consistency with this issue. abbott is in government and a failure to pass legislation has nothing to do with pup, labor or anyone or anything else.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      harry
                                                                      Location
                                                                      melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:41PM
                                                                      • Well said harry. I hope Fairfax remain consistent too. Otherwise we'll end up with a repeat of the previous political tripe (3-year bomb).

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jump
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                    • abbotts challenge for Tuesday... try and answer a single question without whinging about labor..... actually come to think about it thats two challenges.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      harry
                                                                      Location
                                                                      melbourne
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:32PM
                                                                      • Mr Shorten's challenge:

                                                                        Compromise and make the parliament work for the good of Australia instead of seeing yourself as PM and trying to wreck everything.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        christielle
                                                                        Location
                                                                        HP
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:35PM
                                                                      • Christine where were you in the last 6 years of Labor ?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Mais51
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:42PM
                                                                      • Christielle, that would appear to be the challenge that Abbott failed completely while Leader of the Opposition. Abbott's achievements in sleazing into the Prime Ministership stand as a model for all future Leaders of the Opposition. Unfortunately, I don't think Bill Shorten has the intestinal fortitude to keep up the complete obstruction, dishonesty, hyperventilation and hypocrisy that was Abbott's Leadership in Opposition.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:44PM
                                                                      • He must have learnt that tactic from Julia "never answer a question directly and instead use it to attack Abbott" Gillard

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        adrian
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:45PM
                                                                      • Wrong - Shorten doesn't see himself as PM - otherwise he would have done something that would be classified as a "Labor" move. You are trying to sell Shorten as something that he isn't - rather like trying to prop up a dead cat and making it purr. Pointless.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jump
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:45PM
                                                                      • @harry hah so very true. @christielle take your blinkers off, what do you think Tony spent the last six years doing? Labor isnt blocking everything to be petty but because they truly believe in the issues. Some people in this country still have morals.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        blake
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                      • OH? And christielle, are you replacing Tabitha or Sabrina today? Or, perhaps both?
                                                                        @Hacka - Parliament would only work well if the whole lot of them weren't so bloody- minded, self-absorbed and "in it" for the buck.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jump
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:49PM
                                                                      • oh christielle, after 3 years of Abbott's relentless negativity the least he deserves is to have a good dose of his own medicine. He has no one to blame but himself for Shortner's 'negativity'.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jace
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:51PM
                                                                      • christielle's challenge for the day.
                                                                        refrain from mentioning how handsome and attractive her hero is.
                                                                        Can she do it?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        A country gal
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:52PM
                                                                      • "It is not the job of the Opposition to help the government" - Tony Abbott 2013.

                                                                        That is all. time the coalition cheer squad took responsibility for the kind of man they voted for.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        pugwash
                                                                        Location
                                                                        earth
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:01PM
                                                                      • @Blake - that's the best laugh I have had in years. Thanks!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Peter@Brisneyland
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:16PM
                                                                      • Shorten's challenge is to stop scoring own goals during question time.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lewis
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:19PM
                                                                      • Thanks Christielle, but I don't think Mr Shorten is acting like the PM who is doing his best to wreck everything!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Credlinbility
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:33PM
                                                                      • Blake - does that include blocking tax cuts Labor themselves took to the election? In case you forgot, the Coalition did not oppose the repeal of WorkChoices as they knew the people didn't want it, and Gillard was forever bragging about how many pieces of legislation were passed under her government, so I don't know what you're on about. As for answering questions, this is why Abbott was such an effective opposition leader as not one Labor front bencher could answer a question without referring to him, and Labor couldn't really complain about Howard leaving them no debt, no asylum seeker boats, low interest rates, low inflation etc etc etc

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        PK
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Townsville
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                    • Re: “US correspondent Nick O'Malley reports that Russia has told the UNSC that it has occupied Crimea at the request of ousted Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovich - in order to protect civilians from armed extremists.”

                                                                      Absolute nonsense talk from the Russians, anyone with any knowledge of Russia knows that it has only one warm water port in the west and that port is on the Crimean peninsula. If Russia was to lose its blue warm water navy it would be isolated and with it Russian maritime influence. The best outcome for this stupidity by Russia is to seek and obtain a new long term lease for its maritime facilities in Croatia from the Croatian authorities ASAP.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Pen of hrba
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:31PM
                                                                      • They have another also in the Black Sea in the port city of Novorossiysk. They are currently building a base there & plan to transfer their navy there from Sevastopol. I don't think Putin's designs is limited to just Crimea. He will at least also annex Eastern Ukraine.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lewis
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:14PM
                                                                    • "Transport Minister and Deputy PM Warren Truss has admitted to his colleagues that the government does not have a Plan B if its attempt to repeal part of the Qantas Sale Act fails to pass the Senate."

                                                                      They never even had a plan A for sorting out Qantas. The only plan they ever had was to play political games with Labor. Now they will have to deal with PUP, they may not get away with blaming Labor for everything. Still, they can keep repeating the Liberal Party catechism for which the answer to every question is 'repeal the carbon tax' and 'it's the fault of the unions".

                                                                      The thing is that voters will start to care less and less when jobs keep disappearing while inflation starts to rise with the falling dollar and pushes interest rates up at the same time.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:29PM
                                                                      • Well WW, both the carbon tax and unions are making Australia less competitive (amongst other factors) so which part of that are you disputing?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        adrian
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:48PM
                                                                      • Adrian, the biggest single economic challenge for this country is coping with a Liberal government that has no clear comprehensive policies regarding industry and relies on slogans and dreams of blue skies in the future. Never in its history has Australia had such a small-minded government.

                                                                        If you pay people what Bangladeshis get, they have no money to spend - so thats the end of service industries in Australia. And the Carbon Pricing is actually overall of benefit to the nation despite the outrageous lies of the Liberal Party. For most industry it has had negligible impact and it has actually promoted new smart industries based around renewables, which is where the worlds' energy future lies.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:05PM
                                                                      • Adrian did you catch Sue Morphet last night on Q&A. one I would've thought would blame pay/penalty rates, surprisingly quite the contrary.
                                                                        Similar opinions are being repeated in the business sector.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        A country gal
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 1:14PM
                                                                      • Adrian you dont seem dim so assume deliberate misrepresention of WW's point, that the Govt trots out the its either the carbon tax or its the unions as the main cause/s of all ills.
                                                                        WW disputes the proposition that those factors can be blamed or responsible for all problems affecting Australia.
                                                                        WW makes no assertion that they are not contributors to some issues. Your comment is premature speculation affirming your own biases.

                                                                        The interesting question is why, as Josh Frydenberg (Abbott's parliamentary sec) acknowledged on Q &A last night, given there are many factors affecting Australia's competitiveness and productivity, the Govt's narrative is to blame those issues and almost every negative, problem or issue on one or more of:
                                                                        CT, Unions, ordinary workers "high" pay and conditions, the mining tax and of course previous Labor Govt.

                                                                        Do you believe that repealing the CT and dismantling Unions will solve these problems and are in the best long term interests of Australia? The Govt must because as WW says they are stated to be the cause and their removal is advocated as the solution. And that's it. End of solutions.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lyn
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:43PM
                                                                    • Alan Joyce will need to think of a Plan B.

                                                                      He's the one being paid millions to run a company.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      christielle
                                                                      Location
                                                                      HP
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:26PM
                                                                      • Agree It's not the governments job to run a private company. If Joyce can't sack him and get someone who can

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        J Walker
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:39PM
                                                                    • "we are a relatively small country a long way away"

                                                                      This is the same crazy mindset that stops us from contributing to the fight against climate change. I'm not supporting unilateral action against Russia, but we could well have a role to play in concert with other nations - especially as we are the hosts of the G20 this year.

                                                                      But to just dismiss ourselves is nonsense - 24 million people is not small and Russia is a lot closer to Australia than our ANZUS treaty partner the USA.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:18PM
                                                                      • Russia is closer to Australia than the ANZUS treaty USA. Are you and Lee Rhiannon the same person?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        enough is enough
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:30PM
                                                                      • How close is Alaska to Siberia?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        saddington
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Canberra
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:32PM
                                                                      • Australia's influence on Russia is about as meaningful as Hacka's influence here.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:40PM
                                                                      • EIE, if you don't believe me, look it up on a map. Of course, given your other views, the only map that you would believe is one published by the Flat Earth Society (preferably festooned with 'here be dragons' legends)

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:47PM
                                                                      • It's the same mindset that stops us from contributing to the just treatment of asylum seekers. It's got nothing to do with us. So when we go to war with our friends and allies in the Middle East and North Africa, or anywhere else for that matter, the human consequences of our actions, i.e., the desperate refugees are not our responsibility. However, when a lucrative natural resource is at risk from the demands of a poor country like Timor Leste we are on to it like a shot!

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Pluto
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:01PM
                                                                      • Pluto, the asylum seekers aren't only from Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact, most aren't. But that doesn't stop people like you using Iraq and Afghanistan from explaining why they come from Iran, Sri Lanka, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia. It's amazing the number of wars we were engaged in - most of which we had not heard of.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Rodrigo
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 2:45PM
                                                                    • Gillard is gone, just make do with what you have, and what you have ain't pretty. The problem with Senator Nash is not so much about conflicting of interest but incompetency. On all accounts she never met any of the stake holders in her direct portfolio but only sent in her Chief of Staff - why may I ask and my answer is she properly doesn't have a clue what to say to them.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Mais51
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      March 04, 2014, 12:15PM
                                                                      • Abbott talks about being pro-women, but behind the scenes is removing measures intended to create more equality for women in business.

                                                                        I fail to see how only one women in the Liberals could possibly make it into the front bench on merit. How could it possibly be that only one female was of merit.

                                                                        I believe that there were many women that had merit that were passed over, ignored, simply because Abbott prefers to deal with men.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Jennifer
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Carlton
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:14PM
                                                                        • By the same logic the ALP have promoted women over men who may be more qualified, more experienced and ultimately more suitable for the roles simply because they are women. That doesn't sound like equality to me. That sounds like affirmative action.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tony
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:58PM
                                                                        • Tony what is your evidence to assert that more talented ALP male MPs were passed over? Please support your statement with facts and evidence because the truth of your thesis is not self evident nor is the supporting evidence widely/commonly known (otherwise I think I could name those men - being a common person with an interest in politics and I cannot) otherwise its just a look over there sledge.

                                                                          Jennifer,
                                                                          The issues seems to me not so much whether the women not in the inner ministry are talented per se, it is whether they are as talented as the incumbents.

                                                                          Based on performance of some of the top 19 men to date, it would be hard to maintain some of the women knocking on the door could be less talented. Their talent/experience is discussed here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/18/women-abbott-cabinet

                                                                          On the counter side, Nash's apparent balls up of her portfolio supports Tony's lack of talent formulation.
                                                                          Its either that or she was acting under orders from the top.
                                                                          But logically, one proven dud does not mean the other door knockers are without the necessary attributes to be in cabinet (other than a penis).

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Lyn
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 1:30PM
                                                                      • And how's former ALP President Michael Williamson getting on today - so he stole $600,000 because his mum didn't buy him a movie ticket?

                                                                        Do the crime, do the time, but save us from these dreadful excuses please.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        christielle
                                                                        Location
                                                                        HP
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:11PM
                                                                        • Nobody anywhere is interested in those excuses. As far as the left and the right is concerned he stole from others who trusted him and, given the size and planning that went into the fraud, deserves a long spell in prison (unlike so many business people who have embezzled money from their companies and shareholders but who look for a special deal supposedly because the shame is punishment enough).

                                                                          These claims are only reported as click bait and outrage fodder for people like you desperate to distract attention from the ongoing incompetence and destruction of the mob of idiots now in charge of our government.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:36PM
                                                                      • tone commenting below is making everything up ! The whole works - he's made it all up !
                                                                        There's no broken promises. There can't be. After the big Ms Gillard lie, no politician would dream of repeating that disaster.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        christielle
                                                                        Location
                                                                        HP
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:09PM
                                                                        • Hahaha, you're hilarious. Over 25 broken promises so far, and 113 issues total where they're being dodgy. These Liberals, gotta love 'em.

                                                                          http://sallymcmanus.net/abbotts-wreckage/

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Tone
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                        • One thinks you had better get a new pair of glasses - or dictionary that explains what "broken promises" really are, christielle.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jump
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:22PM
                                                                      • Hoping someone can help, searching everywhere for Brandis, Howard and Downer's press releases re Timor Leste, can't seem to locate them. Any ideas where to look?
                                                                        Downer's probably still tucked in bed, so can wait a little bit longer.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        A country gal
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:08PM
                                                                        • I wouldn't waste my time - all scrubbed clean from LNP records, You may have a bit more luck searching using Google, Yahoo or Ask, Also Parliament Archive provided they have gone through it yet.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Mais51
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:24PM
                                                                      • Hacka’s having another one of his head in the sand episodes among the scorpions and insects trying to stir up interest in a pair of shoes and the cost of labour at Qantas. Obviously the Hack has something in his eyes that is causing a malfunction of his lobes, clearly the main financial costs for Qantas are aircraft procurement, and fuel in addition to Labour, not to mention a very competitive market driving down Qantas profits, but the Hack zooms in on Labour costs as the killer of the airline although aircraft procurement is by far the main cost.

                                                                        It’s like the main issues do not exist for the Hacka, it all smacks of his bizarre attitude to the carbon price as a wrecking ball, but he fails to explain how 0.43% of 1% of GDP can wreck the economy. In essence he has joined hands with Greg Hunt, who skips through Fairy Land Under The Moon making up fairy stories for gullible adults. When the Hacka can no longer convince anyone of his fairy credentials he goes into Imelda Marcus mode as a critic on footwear.

                                                                        This may be riveting stuff for Judith, but not when dear old Pen has posted the latest unemployment figures several times and the Hack refuse to comment on them, instead he digresses into shoe fashion of the high heel kind as if this diversion has something to do with answering why we have over a million people unemployed.

                                                                        It is simply not good enough, Hacka, you are either Abbottisms main foil here, or you are an high heel consultant which is it?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:07PM
                                                                        • Joe Hockey's sheeting it home to the carbon price but apparently Qantas say not. That didn't stop Joe insisting they told him so a week ago.

                                                                          According to Joe, everyone's playing him for a fool.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          jofek
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:20PM
                                                                        • Pen? It always surprises me as to why many people think the Hack is a man. Why do you think that?
                                                                          What man ever notes a politician's shoes? EVER?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jump
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:20PM
                                                                        • Virgin's boss blames the carbon tax for his company's bad performance.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          enough is enough
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:35PM
                                                                        • Jump

                                                                          In my experience few women are as stupid as Hacka is, therefore the conclusion I draw is Hacka is a man of the Goon Show variety.

                                                                          Bluebottle springs to mind.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:36PM
                                                                        • C'mon Pen you are copying and pasting and repeating off topic references. I think you need to cheer up!. Get happy Pen, plenty to be happy about. The world is not ending..
                                                                          There is really good news out on employment growth. The ANZ job adds survey is a leading indicator and has shown a big uptick in new jobs advertised. Economists are predicting that the economy will generate 20000 jobs per month. More than enough to cater for the lost jobs at Ford and Toyota and QANTAS. The risk is not unemployment; the risk is wage based inflation. It’s all good news for an economy open for business. (‘Rates on hold as Job ad bump spurs employment hopes’ AFR pg6 4/3/14 )
                                                                          The economic doom and gloom does not exist in any other place other than your imagination. There is good news in the Job advertisement figures. There is reason to be happy, but is it possible for you to be happy?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Cwitty
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 1:08PM
                                                                        • CWitty - what was all of that blubbering by Abbott and Hockey about some huge budget /financial crisis around 6 months ago? Are you now saying that was all BS (balderdash)?
                                                                          "My, how quickly people come and go around here. Something tells me we are no longer in Kansas anymore, Toto."

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jump
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 1:23PM
                                                                        • Jump - We did and do have a structural fiscal problem with the budget, we do have a debt emergency >$600B. But now that the adults are in charge and the country is open for business, business owners have more confidence and are advertising for more staff. None of what Joe was saying was BS. What we are seeing now is the Halo effect of good governance. With Julia Shorten running the show, owners would not employee people. Now they are at least advertising for new employees. Good news hey!

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Cwitty
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 1:52PM
                                                                        • Cwitty, I'm almost certain you made up every word of that.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          jofek
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                                      • "The gender pay gap is real - and often underestimated ... if we're serious about getting equal pay for women, we need to work to lift the pay of occupations dominated by women......

                                                                        ....But as a nation, we've been tardy about recognising the emotional contribution of people at work.

                                                                        And a lot of that work is done by women."

                                                                        Brilliant ! Shorten is going to be a really inclusive and substantial PM and his government is going to move the country forward in a really positive way. Can't wait.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        havasay
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:03PM
                                                                        • Being a little sarcastic there, havasay?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jump
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:18PM
                                                                      • Will Labor now have a parliamentary secretary for every state and territory? Maybe Swannie can be appointed Parl Sec for Macquarie Island and we can send him there for a three year 'study visit'.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Nulla
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:01PM
                                                                        • Dunno but they can hardly compete with 66 spin merchants.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:04PM
                                                                        • Yes, ACG - things are desperate when the LNP has to employ so many people to blog for them, don't you think?

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jump
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                        • Jump, takes a big team to keep up with the pace of deflecting required. No doubt they're relieved when parliaments sitting. Peta busy in the house conducting the orchestra, so not cracking the whip to the spinners,- just the pollies.
                                                                          Speaker needs no encouragement.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          A country gal
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:23PM
                                                                        • ACG - caught out again. The 66 staff in Morrison's dept are all, every single one, appointed into their positions by the previous inept, lying, useless Govt. Facts please, not more anti-Abbott spin.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          enough is enough
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:34PM
                                                                        • Why is the present government keeping the 66 spin merchants then? Surely they would sack them as surplus to needs? It's still an outrageous waste of money by THIS government, not the previous one.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          James
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Cranbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 2:49PM
                                                                      • I'm not giving my name to a machine!

                                                                        Yes, the board and CEO have performed miserably.
                                                                        But we need to look at a way out of the mess but the Labor/Greens/Palmer group are going to stymie it for political reasons of their own - power, trying force a double dissolution, and so on. Nothing to do with the future of Qantas and its workers.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        christielle
                                                                        Location
                                                                        HP
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                        • or because they actually care for what they stand for. Yet that's something you clearly don't understands. Why is it you believe LNP stand for something but Labor doesnt? Both are politicians. Hell, the only reason LNP keep blaming Labor is to protect their own image, They make themselves seem better by making their enemies seem bad. So obvious only the blind cant see.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          blake
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 12:50PM
                                                                        • Bit like Tony did when the Qantas issue raised its head in the last Parliament. You reap what you sow, and all that.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Jace
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 1:15PM
                                                                      • Being strongly against any demeaning of women doesn't necessarily make any David Morrison a feminist hero. In fact it's often a feminist gripe that there are men out who think women are special and often wonderful people. I'm glad this DM is not such a hero. There are plenty of normal sensible women who like me (at least I think so).

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        David Morrison
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Blue Mountains
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        March 04, 2014, 11:56AM
                                                                        • The PM looks very uncomfortable around so many successful women (10:38 pic). He might look for some help at all the females with ministerial roles. Yes that 1 person.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          BANGA
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          March 04, 2014, 11:50AM
                                                                          • Clive reckons the "rapid decline" of the value of Qantas' fortunes is "the result of board and management failure". No truer words were spoken by Clive Palmer. Allan Joyce should have been sacked years ago, yet Qantas shareholders keep him on to run the airlines even further down.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            J.G.
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:50AM
                                                                            • Qantas will fail in most part due to the negativity of Bill Shorten, Christine Milne and Clive Palmer.

                                                                              It was probably inevitable anyway, but they could help reach some compromise if they were not so intent of trying to destabilise a coalition government and just generally being anti-Australian..

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              christielle
                                                                              Location
                                                                              HP
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              March 04, 2014, 11:48AM
                                                                              • Jeez chrisielle, you don't think the chair and the board may have had something to do with the death of QANTAS?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                I'm not giving my name to a machine!
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 11:52AM
                                                                              • christielle, it's not negativity that motivates Shorten's opposition to the ammendment of The Qantas Sale Act. It's fear. Tony Sheldon would rip his heart out if he went anywhere near that act.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 12:53PM
                                                                              • hi christielle - did you know that Air New Zealand operates at a profit and doesn't sack its workers?

                                                                                QANTAS has been badly managed. Blame Shorten all you like, for that is the way of the conservative, but Shorten had nothing to do with it - try Allan Joyce for a change.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Ross
                                                                                Location
                                                                                MALLABULA
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 2:12PM
                                                                              • "being anti-Australian.".

                                                                                Christielle,

                                                                                When it comes to being anti-Australian, the Liberals have no equal.

                                                                                They've been happily importing skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled guest workers on 457 visas for the past 18 years to help employers undercut local pay and conditions.

                                                                                Despite 800,000 people now receiving Newstart, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and Assistant Immigration Minister are weakening 457 visa safeguards and fast tracking the importation of guest workers.

                                                                                Peter Costello even chose an offshore bank linked to Enron - Northern Trust with no Australian offices, but offices in low tax haven Singapore and India, to manage the Future Fund sending tens of millions of dollars in fees revenue that would otherwise be taxed in Australia, offshore each and every year.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Tristan
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 4:55PM
                                                                            • I'm going to take a guess here and say that most Australians have never head of Fiona Nash, and the only lying politicians they instantly recognise are Ms Gillard and craig Thomson.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              christielle
                                                                              Location
                                                                              HP
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              March 04, 2014, 11:43AM
                                                                              • Your guess may well be right, which would be a shame. You see, Gillard and Thompson are no longer in public life. Ms Nash certainly is, and as a member of the Government has direct influence on what that government does in our name. If she has a conflict of interest, and has misled Parliament, then that should be examined, not deflected or minimised.

                                                                                This is another example of the current government (and their cheer squad) thinking that doing what worked a treat in opposition is all they have to do to stay in government. That if they shine a spotlight on the other lot's shortcomings people won't look at their shortcomings. "Look over there, nothing to see here."

                                                                                Unfortunately their shortcomings are manifest and increasingly more obvious.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Gigondas
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                              • Guessed wrong christielle - or is that just another one of Hacka's many online faces?
                                                                                Most people know who Nash is - and it's of her own doing that they do.
                                                                                You must be getting pretty desperate if you haveto go back to try to sweep the floor with Gillard and Thomson again.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Jump
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 12:14PM
                                                                              • Well, they can't help but know the entire Government Front Bench. They were the same tired old fossils that occupied it when Howard was PM. Chrissie, I am guessing that you can't name a single new face in the Abbott Ministry. Off the top of your head, who have they elevated to a senior position who wasn't there earlier?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Caffetierra Moka
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sector 7-G
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 2:19PM
                                                                            • So has Fiona Nash resigned yet over her disgraceful conflict of interest re the Health website and the Cadbury conflict from her staffer?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              James
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Cranbourne
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              March 04, 2014, 11:21AM
                                                                              • You forgot: And lying to parliament about it.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Tone
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 11:32AM
                                                                              • I'm hunting for that press release too.
                                                                                must be hidden somewhere, surely.
                                                                                Page 17 rings a bell.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                A country gal
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 12:17PM
                                                                              • Is that the one that said Philly cream cheese was healthier than and apple/ That was $200million well spent.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Pragmatic prince
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 1:34PM
                                                                              • PP nobody wants to hear that the website was misleading as you suggest and thats why it was taken down.. people wnat to believe ina a made up conspiracy theory because they are more exciting. The Fiona Nash conspiracy theorist also believe the moon landing was a Liberal Hoax.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Cwitty
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 2:24PM
                                                                            • "Labor MP Julie Collins, Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek, Chief of Army Lieutenant General David Morrison and Senator Penny Wong."

                                                                              Given the capacity of the Liberals for revenge, that should be the end of Morrison's career.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              March 04, 2014, 11:18AM
                                                                                • Why would he be sacked? Its important for the military to keep their friends close and their enemies closer.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Nulla
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 11:56AM
                                                                                • Nulla, you are confusing the military with politicians. The military are trained to travel the world, meet interesting people and then kill them.

                                                                                  Anyway, whatever the reason for David Morrison talking to Labor people, it is irrelevant to the tribal haters who now run the Parliamentary Liberal Party.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 12:01PM
                                                                                • Nonsense. Julie, Tanya & Penny just want the message to get out that not all in Labor hates the soldier boys.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Lewis
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 12:41PM
                                                                              • 10:51 - Sure, nice shoes Bronnie. Being on the same table as the Green's Milne and the ABC's Hausegger, what was the topic of conversation ?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                March 04, 2014, 11:07AM
                                                                                • May I be the first to say “So what!” if QANTAS goes broke? Hardly any of us fly QANTAS anymore anyway. Ansett went bust and it wasn't the end of the world Compass went bust.. If QANTAS went bust today, we would still all fly with one of its competitors tomorrow – (87% of us were already planning to fly with someone else according to market share). The same people that complain about others wrapping themselves in a flag will come out with jingoistic slogans “still calling Australia home”. On boarders and defence we should not be nationalistic but on planes we should ….c’mon guys, It’s just another company.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Cwitty
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 10:31AM
                                                                                  • Cwitty - yes it's hard to get super excited about the Qantas decision. It's a bit of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't about the government decision.

                                                                                    Predictably, Labor and the Greens jumped into the "no" camp within a nanosecond of last night's announcement.

                                                                                    Presumably yet again they want a nice blank to another cheque to another mismanaged business with unionised wage overheads much larger than competitors. It's becoming a theme.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    March 04, 2014, 10:42AM
                                                                                  • Qantas planes are full whenever I fly them., that's a false argument that hardly anyone flies them, it's around 65 percent of the domestic market. I would hate Australia to degenerate to every service is like tiger air, no-one would get anywhere .

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Shane
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    March 04, 2014, 11:42AM
                                                                                  • The number of people who have said 'Qantas? So what?' is (pleasantly) surprising. Yet another case of the Canberra echo-chamber misreading the public mood.

                                                                                    And why a company in 'crisis' hasn't sacked the CEO who sent them straight there is beyond me.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Simon
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    March 04, 2014, 11:59AM
                                                                                • With all this noise about Qantas and Ukraine, the most important news of the day is being swept under the carpet.
                                                                                  The levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have reached unprecedented highs.
                                                                                  When we consider whatever measure we take to combat this and the subsequent damage it will cause will -- first need to stop the growth of the damage we are doing, before we can reduce that growth and then having reduced the amount of carbon we are putting in the atmosphere we will wait decade upon decade for conditions to improve.
                                                                                  Wake up Australia, we, and the whole world are in the sort of trouble that makes Qantas and Crimea look minor.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  EM
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 10:20AM
                                                                                  • founder of green peace disagrees

                                                                                    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/26/confessions-of-a-greenpeace-droput-to-the-u-s-senate-on-climate-change/#more-103850

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    cameron
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    March 04, 2014, 10:40AM
                                                                                • Yes. Foreign armed forces enter the territory of another sovereign nation = bad and reprehensible.

                                                                                  Who says the Government can't learn from their mistakes. I wonder if pieface looks in the mirror each morning and says "back off Tony" or whether he puts his SBY mask on first.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  tasch2
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  March 04, 2014, 10:02AM
                                                                                  • Don't you worry about the Irish, Hacka you still have to address:

                                                                                    "In January 2014 an estimated 1.44 million Australians (11.3% of the workforce) were unemployed – the highest rate of unemployment since January 1995 (11.3%).

                                                                                    January unemployment is up 29,000 (up 0.1%) from last month and up 113,000 (up 0.4%) compared to the same time last year.

                                                                                    The Australian workforce* was 12,754,000 (up 119,000) comprising 7,715,000 full-time workers (up 320,000) – and a new record high; 3,599,000 part-time workers (down 230,000); and 1,440,000 looking for work (up 29,000) according to the Roy Morgan monthly employment estimates.

                                                                                    The Roy Morgan employment and unemployment figures do not include people who have dropped out of the workforce and given up looking.
                                                                                    Among those who were employed 1,105,000 Australians (8.7% of the workforce*) were under-employed, i.e. working part-time and looking for more work. This is 13,000 more than a month ago (up 0.1%).

                                                                                    In January in total an estimated 2.545 million Australians (20.0% of the workforce) were unemployed or under-employed – the highest ever recorded. This is up 42,000 (up 0.2%) from December and much higher than 12 months ago in January 2013 (up 150,000, up 0.3% from 2.395 million).
                                                                                    Of those looking for work an estimated 851,000 Australians (up 74,000) were looking for full-time work – a record high, while 589,000 (down 45,000) were looking for part-time work.

                                                                                    The latest Roy Morgan unemployment estimate of 11.3% is a substantial 5.5% more than currently quoted by the ABS for December 2013 (5.8%)" (Roy Morgan).

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Pen of hrba
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    March 04, 2014, 9:56AM
                                                                                    • It is ridiculous how many people get free flights out of Qantas. I know people that lost their job with Qantas 20 years ago that are still flying for about 10% of the ticket price. Then there are all the pollies and mates. It's ridiculous. Split Qantas in two. Separate Qantas from Jetstar. Keep Jetstar and close down Qantas.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Tone
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      March 04, 2014, 9:50AM
                                                                                      • "Karl, what we're on about is giving Qantas its freedom."

                                                                                        What we are talking about is freeing a slave from shackles and setting it free to work on its own without means to its name and no references.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        March 04, 2014, 9:41AM
                                                                                        • I assume that the 'Karl' he was talking to was not Marx.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Gigondas
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          March 04, 2014, 9:56AM
                                                                                      • Joe Hockey did not look a happy chappy.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        mauree
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        March 04, 2014, 9:24AM
                                                                                        • We can thank our good judgement on September 7 that we now have a govt that can move the country forward with the right decisions. 6 years of procrastination and wrong decisions is slowly but surely being repaired. Good work PM.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          enough is enough
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          March 04, 2014, 9:09AM
                                                                                          • Hmm, interesting?

                                                                                            We have 70 F35's coming all with one engine and they carry all of two missiles on an extended journey, a snip at $13 billion.

                                                                                            Then we have $30 billion for 12 submarines that would last ten minutes in a war. As computerised camera technology can see them at depth.

                                                                                            Then we have $4 billion spent on surveillance aircraft, obviously to find used orange boats.

                                                                                            Then we have $3 billion spent on navy helicopters.

                                                                                            Fifty billion spent on toyz for the boyz meanwhile education is to be cut along with health care, and OAP who own their home and kiss their pension goodbye.

                                                                                            A good one, Enough already.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:53AM
                                                                                          • Yes our liberties and freedom being destroyed under liberal, and unemployment going up

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Shane
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:44AM
                                                                                        • While there’s much to criticise about the Abbott Oppoment’s (definition- an opposition that finds itself unaccountably in government and has trouble adjusting) performance, its response to the Ukraine situation isn’t one of them. The statements are appropriate. My concern was that Julie would unleash the death stare, which would have invited direct retaliation and jeopardised our national security.

                                                                                          Other foreign affairs dealings (Indonesia comes to mind) have been patently less successful, so let’s hope they’re learning.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Gigondas
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          March 04, 2014, 9:07AM
                                                                                          • The Liberals would have loved this situation. Nothing like a remote war that has very little to do with us to distract from their dismal performance.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            James
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Cranbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:46AM
                                                                                          • Yes. Foreign armed forces enter the territory of another sovereign nation = bad and reprehensible.

                                                                                            Who says the Government can't learn from their mistakes. I wonder if pieface looks in the mirror each morning and says "back off Tony" or whether he puts his SBY mask on first.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            tasch2
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:58AM
                                                                                          • James, you and your leftie mates need to grow up and stop talking tripe. Nobody want war anywhere in the world and for you to say that highlights the lack of principle of the left. You will do and say anything no matter how outrageous to try and score political points.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Pragmatic prince
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:04AM
                                                                                          • Nope, nobody likes a war, but that still doesn't mean the Liberals aren't using it to deflect from their dismal performance. Why is it that I would believe that it's not below them to politicise such bad situations? Because they've done it before on many occasions. Children overboard anyone?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            James
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Cranbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:09PM
                                                                                          • When is a promise broken? When the promiser expressly says or indicates by conduct or other words that they are not keeping it.
                                                                                            It is shameless obfuscation and excuse making to say no promise is broken until the Govt implements the measure that is the substance of the broken promise.
                                                                                            The Govt has broken promises.
                                                                                            Hacka denies the evidence that is common knowledge and as presented in these threads. Pen gave a list yesterday.
                                                                                            What does that say about Hacka?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Lyn
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:45PM
                                                                                        • Whilst most eyes are on the Crimean Peninsular, there’s another potential trouble spot a lot closer to home that’s starting to receive some attention.

                                                                                          Jenna Price has written an article in the SMH today which uses some pretty flimsy evidence to accuse the Prime Minister of betrayal. It’s quite easy to shoot down each premise she makes, but she concludes by suggesting further evidence can be provided by Australian Services Union official, Sally McManus’ blog.

                                                                                          Ms McManus appears also to be an organiser of the planned march in March on St Patrick’s day.

                                                                                          Are we starting to see a rallying cry for the planned demonstration against the Abbott government ?

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Hacka
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Canberra
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          March 04, 2014, 9:07AM
                                                                                          • Peninsula, I think you mean, Hacka.

                                                                                            This march must have the LNP worried for some reason- they keep bringing it up. I would have thought most eyes would be on Qantas today.

                                                                                            Deflection? Surely not!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Vacqueyras
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:33AM
                                                                                          • It must be pretty depressing for you that your beloved party can't seem to keep a promise. They must have broken about 30 promises since the election. That's impressive.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Jennifer
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Carlton
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:38AM
                                                                                          • Good morning Richie, Play’s just got under way here at The Pulse and already the pitch is taking a lot of spin.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Gigondas
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:40AM
                                                                                          • I always look at Hacka's first comment to see what complete bollocks the Liberals are going to lie to us about for the day.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:44AM
                                                                                          • Really Jennifer - care to name one ?

                                                                                            Gigondas - leggies, offies, googlies or a Chinaman ?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 9:51AM
                                                                                          • Good question Hacka. Standard leggies coming out of the right hand seem to spin more sharply and more often, although left-wing orthodox can also get a lot of bite and turn.

                                                                                            Just be careful not to pitch your googlies into the rough. Can be really painful.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Gigondas
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 10:06AM
                                                                                          • I can answer that. but oh where oh where to start.

                                                                                            There was the education broken promise, where the Liberals said they were on a unity ticket with Labor. Then they broke that promise. Then they said they weren't going to break it. But behind the scenes they're going all out to break it anyway.

                                                                                            There's the health broken promise. No changes to health, said Tony Abbott before the election. Now he wants to cut funding, and add a Medicare surcharge.

                                                                                            He promised an accountable transparent government. No transparency or accountability. Everything's a secret.

                                                                                            What about the debt ceiling. Before the election, they were acting as though we were in a debt crisis, even though debt is only 3% of GDP. Then after the election they increased the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. They broke a promise not to deal with minor parties (the Greens) to deliver that one.

                                                                                            They've cut pensions. Suffer all the old people who religiously vote Liberal and got screwed over.

                                                                                            Abbott promised not to give Sophie Mirabella a government job after she lost the election. Next thing you know, she's on the board of the submarine maintenance organisation. I thought she was a rocket scientist Liberal, not an expert in deep sea diving but hey, bringing us down is what the Liberals do.

                                                                                            They introduced a new version of WorkChoices the other day into parliament, stating that it was good workers. They promised not to reintroduce WorkChoices. Changes to industrial relations has never been good for workers, any workers, including skilled.

                                                                                            There's a start. So the main ones are: Health broken, Education, broken, Industrial Relations Broken.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:09AM
                                                                                          • Tone - you are wrong on every count. There hasn't been any changes to Medicare, pensions, education (except there's more funding now) health, IR, and there was certainly no promise around Mirabella.

                                                                                            If you'd like to provide a single example go right ahead - but to continue the cricket analogy - wide signaled.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:37AM
                                                                                          • Great delivery by Tone - Cleaned bowled Hacka for a 1st ball duck!!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            BANGA
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:43AM
                                                                                          • Funny one Banga. Tone couldn't even get the maths part right - gross debt is 20% of GDP per the AOFM.

                                                                                            Abbott might make some of those changes, and then he can be accused of breaking a promise.

                                                                                            To quote SteveH - you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:52AM
                                                                                          • Of course, Liberal governments are always particularly good at discouraging social justice, environmental, health and educational reforms and improvements to our standard of living, and are eager to reward big business.

                                                                                            Just because Hacka is in denial, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

                                                                                            I found a list of 113 issues where the Liberals have reneged on promises, said they were reneging on promises, or are just being plain dodgy. Here's the list:

                                                                                            http://sallymcmanus.net/abbotts-wreckage/

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 11:55AM
                                                                                          • Hacka best you take a deeper look into pensions.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            A country gal
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:00PM
                                                                                          • Tone - so you can't provide any real evidence of a broken promise.

                                                                                            The best you can come up with is a couple of leftie websites - the aimn and a union site.

                                                                                            ACG - i know the DSP is an issue for you, but Andrews hasn't yet touched it. Maybe he might, seems like there's close to a million Aussies claiming to have a disability. At that rate you'd expect about one in every 15 parking spots to be disabled.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:11PM
                                                                                          • What do you mean, Hacka? I've demonstrated a number of Abbott Liberal broken promises that people remember for themselves and just need to be reminded of.

                                                                                            The 113 issues, or variations of, are happening.

                                                                                            For example, some new broken promises I had forgotten about, from the article, the Liberals:
                                                                                            "Breaks his promise to unequivocally support the NDIS by changing the name of NDIS “launch sites” to “trial sites” and flags cuts to funding"

                                                                                            "Breaks his NBN election promise of giving all Australians access to 25 megabits per second download speeds by 2016" - actually it's worse. They've completely stuffed the NBN.

                                                                                            "Breaks his promise to support Gonski and back flips three times"

                                                                                            "Breaks a promise to make no cuts to health. He made this promise at the National Press Club on 2 September 2013 and in writing on 5 September 2013 as part of their policy commitments. This promise was first broken on 27 November 2013 when they cut funding to the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council and again on 17 December 2013 when they cut $150 million from hospitals and health services in western Sydney. "

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:28PM
                                                                                          • Tone must be one of Shorten's spin doctors because his comments come right out of the official Labor handbook. I won't go through the laundry list but your comment about education is both misleading and mendacious (to copy Combet's favourite adjective). Abbott said he was on a unity ticket with Labor for the 4 years of the forward estimates. He didn't make a commitment for years 5 and 6 because of the precarious state of the budget left behind by Labor's unfunded promises. The Coalition went further by restoring $1.2B of funding that Labor denied to WA, Qld and the NT because they wouldn't yield to Shorten's bully boy tactics before the election. If you want to debate policy and suggest promises have been broken at least be truthful.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Airato
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:28PM
                                                                                          • Hacka, within a fortnight of Govt, reduced.
                                                                                            I don't believe it was due to Rudd. I may be wrong?
                                                                                            Ask pen too.
                                                                                            Substantial reductions. I'm lucky I've paid my mortgage and hardly any bills due to lifestyle and location.
                                                                                            Feel for others.
                                                                                            As for car parks, most would not be able to run a car. I agree it's a huge number. But many are older ex workers and no doubt some actors. I feel for any forced to go on it when they weld it with the dole!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            A country gal
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:30PM
                                                                                          • Well done Tone - at least you've now had a crack at providing some substance.

                                                                                            Back to the books though:

                                                                                            * the NDIS has always been a trial - SA, parts of Tas and Newcastle under the Labor version

                                                                                            * the NBN - Turnbull reserved the right to re-scope it once he discovered the mess Conroy left it in - and what a mess

                                                                                            * Education funding is above what was promised, although granted that was due to Pyne's muddling

                                                                                            * AOD isn't part of the health budget - there's been no cut to health services which was the promise

                                                                                            So we're back to the start again - no broken promises, yet. After the budget you'll probably have plenty to complain about, this time with some evidence.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:38PM
                                                                                          • Airato - talk about coming out of the official party spin handbook - just look at how precise and detailed your answer was - right down to the trashy nonsense about $1.2 billion for recalcitrant State governments.

                                                                                            That money was withheld by the former Labor government because these state governments refused to spend anything more on their schools themselves and did not give a damn about ensuring good educational outcomes for all. That the new government should throw them over a billion dollars without strings attached is an obscenity, not a matter for congratulations.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:40PM
                                                                                          • Did I hear what Abbott said or what I think I heard Abbott say? He is certainly on track for the loss of a million jobs

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Max Gross
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sapphire Coast
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 12:58PM
                                                                                          • Nope Hacka, now you're just fabricating positions that aren't reality. Please provide evidence that your statements have any basis in reality given that Liberal politicians have made unequivocal statements counteracting what you've just said. That includes education and that includes health.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:11PM
                                                                                          • Just a well-red, retired bystander, WW, with an interest in politics and a finely-tuned meter that instantly detects BS. No political affiliations whatsoever - never have and never will. I believe spin is the preserve of those that don't have the wit to debate the merits of an argument.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Airato
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:28PM
                                                                                          • Tone - why don't you check out NDIS website, the Liberal Party's election platform and the Health Dept's portfolio budget.

                                                                                            The easiest of your porkies to refute is the 3% debt figure. www.aofm.gov.au. Remember, GDP is about $1.5 trillion.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:37PM
                                                                                          • Hacka, yes it is sad that so many voice the broken promises, but can not detail one single such broken promise with detail, but rather just splay words such as education and health as if that is a narrow one item policy. Clearly shows the lack of understanding regarding the complexity of such issues.
                                                                                            The have been muted considerations regarding amendments..... But no broken promises !
                                                                                            Of course, "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead" !!!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Pistol Pete
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:43PM
                                                                                          • Yep, whoops, the 3% GDP figure was wrong. But everything else is true. The NDIS was modified to reduce its funding. Liberals being dodgy again.

                                                                                            The Liberals just can't help themselves breaking promise after promise.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tone
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 1:54PM
                                                                                          • Gee a few people missing the point on education completely.. Gonski was never just a funding exercise - it was a needs-based funding MODEL developed after years of consultation with education experts.

                                                                                            Despite their "unity" ticket (and after finishing their various backflips), the Coalition has effectively scrapped the funding MODEL (not the overall funding) by telling States they no longer need to comply with it. Pyne has made no secret of the fact that he would like to see funding for Private schools increase at the expense of public schools.

                                                                                            Trying to claim the Coalition are somehow keeping their promise by maintaining some of the funding is simply not true.

                                                                                            As for the NBN, well we no longer have an NBN in any true sense of the word. Pretty hard to argue that Turnbull has kept any of his promises here. I have friends who were proudly wearing Turnbull t-shirts in the weeks after the last election and even they don't try to defend him on this.

                                                                                            Also Hacka, although I enjoy your rants and sympathise with your position on these boards, pretty much everything you say is either misleading or downright false.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Sheesh
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 2:14PM
                                                                                          • Poor ol'tTone, he has been flogging that dead horse for so long only the skeleton is left and even that is disintegrating as well..

                                                                                            You should read and listne more widely and you would find ALp untruths everywhere.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            andie
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                                                          • Well come on Sheesh - let's see you backup your claim. Please do better than Tone.

                                                                                            Will happily admit a false claim if you can prove it - a little bit of poetic license now and then, sure, but do let us know once you've found a false comment.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Hacka
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Canberra
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 3:29PM
                                                                                          • Hacka,
                                                                                            Don't you mean Malcolm has completely stuffed the NBN?
                                                                                            They won't even agree to their pre-election promise of 25MBs as a minimum. That's gone out the window.
                                                                                            And they agreed they lied about the $90B NBN cost figure and their figures were out by $20B, they just made those figures up.
                                                                                            Just how many lies does it take to get you to say "Yes they lied".

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Econorat
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 3:31PM
                                                                                          • Airato, you claim to have "a finely-tuned meter that instantly detects BS". Yet you repeat the utter BS regarding the money Abbott and Pyne gave for nothing to the States that did not sign up for the Gonski reforms.

                                                                                            You even use the word 'restoring', which indicated that they had the money but it was taken away from them. Your BS meter has obviously never been used on you, because a person with a real one would have picked that lie up like a shot.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 4:08PM
                                                                                          • Hacka, if we're going to play the "prove it to me" game, can you prove that Gillard broke a SINGLE promise in her time as PM?

                                                                                            By your standard of proof, I doubt it. After all, Education and NBN broken promises are not exactly controversial. In fact I don't think they are even disputed by the Coalition. Instead they just use the "changed circumstances" excuse which can never under any circumstances be used by the Labor party.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Sheesh
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            March 04, 2014, 5:24PM
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