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Malcolm Turnbull's star turn

As question time bogs down in post-budget claim and counter-claim, Malcolm Turnbull adds some light relief.

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  • Has the Liberal Party won Clive over with a Chinese meal? Or maybe Clive has been a closest Liberal all this time.

    Clive Palmer, Malcolm Turnbull, Dr Martin Parkinson and two others met at a Kingston Chinese restaurant for dinner last night. Looks like Clive's been bought to help push the budget through.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2014, 9:14AM
    • Anyone could tell that the way to Clive's heart is through his greatest asset ;-)

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:40AM
    • I'm astounded that you ever doubted this outcome, Sharron. The pretend populism, the flirting with the ABC, acting the thorn-in-the-side, etc. were all confected for the votes of the disgruntled. In the end Clive will always deal with the party that will repeal the mining & carbon taxes.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:45AM
    • perhaps it's a gambit to woo Malcom over to PUP? Clive doesn't strike me as one to easily forgive and one way for him to crush his current foes would be to hollow out the party from within and watch it implode ... while people still think there is a chance of Malcom taking over from the on the nose Abbott they might retain a sliver of faith in the party of the 1% ... without Malcom the exodus would be huge and swift ... ?

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:21AM
    • @ Lewis -"In the end Clive will always deal with the party that will repeal the mining & carbon taxes."

      That is what got him his votes in the first place. Get rid of the tax the former government installed against the people's wishes, & another that they watered down so much that it made no revenue at all.

      Commenter
      Indeed
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:23AM
    • Malcolm seeing where he stands before he starts thinking about numbers in the party room methinks.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:29AM
    • Now there's a thought, Malcolm Turnbull becoming a PUPie! : )

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:31AM
  • Some of us are still reeling today from yesterday's shocking revelation that Joe Hockey, some 27 years later, has changed his position on uni fees.

    So he gets into the workforce, earns a few bucks, buys a house, starts a family - and he dares to hold different attitudes today to the time of being a single, impoverished student. Flabbergasting.

    Even funnier, someone should tell some of the protesting students of recent days that in 20 years time they might even vote Liberal.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    May 29, 2014, 9:20AM
    • And once upon a time Tony Abbott proposed a tax on carbon. It seems that as some get older their ideas get muddled.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:27AM
    • You reeling hacka? That's not like you. It was once said that to be a socialist when you were 20 proves you have a heart, to be a conservative at 40 proves you have a head. But I'm sure in Hock's case the imposition of uni fees wasn't an attack on socialised education, rather an assault on his wallet.

      Commenter
      mattoxic
      Location
      Mont Albert
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:53AM
    • Yes mitch, and once upon a time Keating liked the GST, Rudd was a "fiscal conservative", and Jules didn't like carbon taxes.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:55AM
    • No, Hacka, not reeling from shock. More like mild amusement. A bit like those old photos of Wayne Swan with long hair.

      Are there any old video highlights of a young Hacka addressing a Socialist Alliance rally, resplendent in a Che t-shirt?

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:00AM
    • Hacka

      So the thinking of most middle age men is the same as when they were growing up, right? Try blaming it on the carbon tax, Hacka, you blame it for everything else.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:17AM
    • Sure because it never was a Carbon Tax it has been and always be an ETS. The exact same ETS that both Rudd/Gillard and Howard/Turnbull agreed on.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 10:34AM
    • Gigondas - yes or Peter Costello in his student Labor days.

      But no you won't find any video's like that. Maybe we used to water bomb some of those rallies, it was a few years ago now. You'll be impressed to know that I did vote Labor once in the Senate some years ago - we all grow up eventually don't we.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 11:09AM
    • Hacka, If the Liberal party doesn't step up to the expectations of a 21st century society then they might not even be around for today's students to vote for.

      Commenter
      davros
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 11:10AM
    • And you forgot to add, regarding Joe, that...
      .
      He ends up in the top 1% of earners in Australia, and has more than enough earned income to pay off his university degree probably ten times over, so far.
      .
      Meanwhile, future teachers, nurses, and most Arts graduates will struggle on low to mid level incomes and be slugged 2% tax for many years, even decades.
      .
      That is - 2% tax ON THEIR WHOLE INCOME for a long time, as opposed to the Deceit Levy of 2% for a short time.
      .
      Again, no measure of fairness, just another case of one size fits all from the Lying Nepotistic Pretenders (LNP)

      Commenter
      Master Blaster
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 11:14AM
    • Pity you and your lot are still not reeling from all the lies from Abbott.

      Commenter
      Get Real
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 11:33AM
    • Hacka, Just as in a few years time when your kids are faced with the dilemma of approaching massive debt to get a first class uni education you might reconsider your support for an obviously ideological and nation damaging policy. Pity you cant see the problems now.

      Commenter
      David
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 11:41AM
    • Hacka, while we're in the realm of shocking tell-all admissions, I'm a reformed Liberal voter. With age comes wisdom (that and the Liberal Party has turned in directions I don't like).

      And your water bomb story confirmed for me that you were of the ilk of those who daubed 'with every taco' under the 'FREE CHILE' grafitti. The right's sense of humour is another thing that seems to have been left behind.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 12:04PM
    • David - perhaps you could tell us how, in your view, the cost of a business degree at ANU will be impacted by the "nation damaging" budget changes.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 12:05PM
    • I'd say Smokin' is himself reeling for agreeing with ol red-face-Pyne about taxing deceased students, then getting overruled by the supreme master 5 mins later.
      Until....
      Step 1 - some Lib hack announces we must have a 'discussion' about it, then
      Step 2 - they do it

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 12:28PM
    • Alright you've busted me Gigondas, we didn't really water bomb the firebrand lefty students, but we did laugh at them a lot.

      Much like today, where even in last week there's much frivolity to be had from watching the confected outrage around winkgate, Joe's student days and nation-shockers like Abbott checking the time on his watch.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 12:32PM
    • errr, sounding a bit rattled there @hackmeister if you (and come to think of it - A. Bolt) keep feeling the need to say "Nothing to see here, move along.."
      Only joking, we all know it's just smokescreen posts put up to deflect from the real issues. And we keep falling for it...can't resist....damn...

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 12:42PM
    • @Hacka - what did you study? It must suck to end up being hired to just write (spun) comments in newspaper blogs. Hopefully they let you get involved in work in other areas....

      Commenter
      Mortlock
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 1:08PM
    • Greg Hunt in his 1990 thesis:

      "Ultimately it is by harnessing the natural economic forces which drive society that the pollution tax offers us an opportunity to exert greater control over our environment."

      Isn't it fascinating how their Weltbild changes when they 'mature'...

      Commenter
      Ozzoid
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 2:50PM
    • Your blogs this week will easily qualify you for a bonus, may be even a pay rise from the Liberal Party. Keep up the good work it gives us all a good laugh and takes our minds off how bad this government really is.

      Commenter
      Wise One
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 3:04PM
    • "...in 20 years time they may even vote Liberal." Better book a room in the nursing home.

      Commenter
      Jezz
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 3:58PM
    • Dear Hacka,
      Instead of being the eternal apologist ,
      don't you think that Hocky can explain
      his situation...
      After all he is an adult and can speak for
      speak for himself....
      or is that your job?

      Commenter
      and sundry
      Location
      croydon
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 5:51PM
  • Shorten is no opposition leader, this statement is perhaps the understatement in our recent political history. The election result proves that Abbott systematically took apart Labor and then shredded it. Now Abbott is shredding Shorten in much the same way, only this time he treats Shorten as a political joke.

    Despite the Henry Tax Review Labor failed to overhaul the taxation syatem, now Shorten’s is unable to convince parliament all Australians deserve decent services and these have to paid for by all Australians, including those with means, meanwhile Westfield joins a lengthening tax evasion list. Labor allowed burden sharing by mine owners rewriting the Mining Tax to their own advantage. Under Shorten burden sharing means passing the tax levy, despite Abbott promising no tax increases without tax reform.

    Labor failed to build one concentrated solar power station with salt storage to prove base load green energy viability to Australians, now Shorten further betrays climate change ethics while Abbott inflicts carnage on everything relating to climate change. Ineptness by Labor reinforces the view of Labor remaining unfit for government. Shorten is even unable to articulate a vision for Australia superior to Abbott’s pathetic vision. Shorten repeatedly betrays the electorate while voters beg for an alternative to Abbott’s lies, broken promises and sneaky deceits; only to remain unheard.

    Abbott’s budget handed Shorten several free penalty kicks, Shorten missed the ball by allowing his minions to aggravate the speaker so to be kicked out of QT. Meanwhile thousands of scientists and highly skilled people are to lose their jobs, but not a word from Shorten of how they will be replaced. Perhaps he thinks 20 years of high learning can be replaced by new university graduates in the fullness of time?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Date and time
    May 29, 2014, 9:21AM
      • The problem with Labor at the moment is its leadership, there's none. Bill Shorten just sits like a school boy in front of School Ma'am Bishop.

        It's a sad fact that Bill Shorten is a political dummy.

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 9:41AM
      • Remember when Bob Hawke deposed Bill Hayden at the very same time that Malcolm Fraser was at Government House to call the '83 election. Fraser thought he would be up against a weak leader and look what happened. Labor has several potential leaders ready to step in at the right time. The Lieberals will have to replace their leaders before the next election to have any credibility. Who will it be. They are all pretty tarnished. Best of a bad lot.

        Commenter
        mitch of ACT
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 9:53AM
      • mitch of ACT

        Don't count on it. Abbott has already put in place the means to have a budget surplus before the next election. Did you see the flag for more selling of public owned entities yesterday? How did Howard provide his surpluses?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 10:31AM
      • Go easy on Shorten, your champion "only if it is written down" Tony Abbott spent no less than four years to come up with nothing !

        Commenter
        Mais51
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 10:31AM
      • @Pen you can have a huge surplus in the bank on main street and an enormous deficit in the bank of public opinion, particularly after you have just reduced the living standards of millions of Australians. John Howard's cash surplus in the bank did him no good in 2007 because he was well overdrawn in that other bank with the bill for Workchoices.

        Commenter
        mitch of ACT
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 10:55AM
      • mitch of ACT

        True, but a liar is a liar and a good spinner of lies can do a repeat performance without breaking into a sweat. Then there is Uncle Report to persuade the gullible. Don't think for a moment a moment that thinkers hold the majority that alas falls to the gullible.

        Look at it this way: only a complete fool does not realise that the Coalition and Labor are both lying oligarchs. So why vote one liar over the other unless one is a gullible fool?

        Commenter
        Pen of hrba
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 11:46AM
    • While I have nothing against adoption at all I am suspicious about how far this process of international adoption will take us. If we add it to the expansion of 457 visa’s, the escalating number of foreign students, and out of control migration programme together they do not fare well for a sustainable population. Sure the adoption numbers will be small I accept that, but we must also accept the fact of 380,000 increase in population in the period 2013-15 (ABS). That is an increase in migrant population alone of 1 million in 5 years.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:35AM
      • I'm also concerned about children being taken from their parents if some Liberal Party adoption bureaucrat deems the child's parents to be unfit to raise their child.

        Tony Abbott states that Australians can adopt children from South Africa who have "no effective parents". No effective parents? These children have parents and their own families but Tony Abbott appears to be willing to take these children from their own parents, families and countries.

        The same thing happened to Australia's Indigenous children - the stolen generation.

        Is this what Tony Abbott has in mind for African families? Another stolen generation just to keep the white families happy?

        Has Tony Abbott thought about the increase of child trafficking because of another stupid idea of his? Obviously not!

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 10:04AM
      • Sharron - you seem to be advocating that children in abusive or neglectful household should be left with the parent. What left to rot?

        What is wrong with the left that they think that leaving children in dangerous situations is OK?

        Typical leftie position. They seem to think the right of the parent to be abusive overrides the right of the child to a safe upbringing.

        Labor had the same approach but according to Sharron, it is only the Liberals who are so heartless. What a joke the left in Australia have become.

        Commenter
        Pragmatic prince
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 1:24PM
    • George Brandis had better think very carefully about proceeding with changes to the race-hate laws. Recent elections in the EU won by anti-immigration groups (racists), show what can happen if these groups are given oxygen. In Australia, as in Europe, the race-hate element is just waiting for an opportunity to break free. These groups are far-far right and will steal votes from his party. One-Nation, or a look-a-like, will rise again and we will have yet another Lieberal PM having to pander to them to get their votes just as John Howard did. Maybe that's already under way.

      Commenter
      mitch of ACT
      Date and time
      May 29, 2014, 9:40AM
      • Clive says ''sometimes politicians just need to sit down for a lunch away from the glare of the media".

        Yes well us plebs wouldn't know about that, but we would like to know what deals do go on behind the voters' backs, especially the voters who have supported Clive and his Party.

        Commenter
        Sharron
        Location
        Canberra
        Date and time
        May 29, 2014, 9:44AM
        • Palmer photo at 10:00. It's just knot right.

          Commenter
          Gigondas
          Date and time
          May 29, 2014, 10:03AM
          • 9.51 Dead student tax, abbott told ABC radio this morn "this government is not going to change the existing rules." Wink wink, nudge nudge, can't lie straight in bed.

            Commenter
            chuck this mob out
            Location
            illawarra
            Date and time
            May 29, 2014, 10:04AM
            • Some news from the financial pages with political implications. Usually it's the other way round. The dinosaurs in the Lieberal party, still living in the world where climate change and carbon pollution are not to be talked about and renewable energy is to be trashed, are finding that the companies that donate to their campaigns are dumping their fossil fuel investments. Now given that these companies expect the gov't to support the industries that they invest in there is some hope for the renewables sector. Can you imagine Tony Abbott pulling funding from renewables while at the same time the companies that are funding his re-election campaign are pouring cash into that sector. Even a party with the twisted priorities of the Lieberals knows where its interest lie, particularly when its political opponents have a common interest with its donors. I wonder if they will tie themselves up in knots trying to decide who and what to dump, their donors or their policies. I feel a distinct wave of schadenfreude. http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/amp-fund-dumps-fossil-fuel-investments-20140528-394iz.html

              Commenter
              mitch of ACT
              Date and time
              May 29, 2014, 10:10AM
              • It hopefully shows that truth actually does will out, and people like Hacka and Cwitty et al are nothing less than flat earth spinners with over zealous appetites for gullibility.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 10:56AM
              • abbott's had a rails run thanx to the murdoch empire, tax and suppress the poor and educate only our finest, the masses won't have time to worry about climate. But the Corporations are not as stupid, ethical investing will be the norm in time, the US, Europe and China know whats on the way if we continue with fossil fuels. The LNP have trashed our reputation worldwide, asylum seeker hatred, climate change, overseas aid, etc. The city folk now see the droughts, our rural friends see filthy coal mines and swathes of our land covered in coal dust. We will remember your lies to become PM tony and so will our children

                Commenter
                LNP
                Location
                dinosaur land
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 11:00AM
              • @Pen we knew that before didn't we. It's just nice to be able to point it out time and time and time again. Eventually they might realise that they are backing the wrong team.

                Commenter
                mitch of ACT
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 11:07AM
              • This coming summer, moving into El Nino, with heat records being broken even in May, will be the one that blows the lid of climate change denial.

                Commenter
                mitch of ACT
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 11:20AM
              • Can you believe that every tree in my orchard is already in bud. That is scary, because all stone fruit requires winter chilling to bare fruit.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 11:29AM
            • Re: “Disability Commissioner Graeme Innes will finish up in July. But there will be no full-time replacement for him, after the commission lost $1.7 million in the budget.”

              Add the $1.7 million decrease to Disability Care along with Labor’s funding the NDIS by the Medicare levy to raise $3.3 billion annually, for $14.3 billion over seven years. Have you spotted Mr Rubbery?

              Well, $3.3 billion x seven = $23.1 billion not Labor’s funding of $14.3 billion. So Labor ripped off the disabled and taxpayers to the tune of $8.8 billion at the rate of $1.25 billion a year. Add Abbott’s decrease of $1.7 million and the annual shortfall amounts to $1.08 billion a year, so why are we paying the Medicare Levy when 30% of it does not fund the NDIS?

              I believe such practise could be called collusion.

              Commenter
              Pen of hrba
              Date and time
              May 29, 2014, 10:14AM
              • Oops, I have done a Mr Rubbery, it should read: Add Abbott’s decrease of $1.7 million and the annual shortfall amounts to $2.32 billion a year,

                Commenter
                Penof hrba
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 11:06AM
            • One day a Rolls the next day a Bentley, what wonderful advocate Clive is for climate change expansion. He should have a plastic copies of a lumps of coal to replace his car's symbols with. And perhaps with a Monkton ditty: Coal is the cheapest fuel?

              Commenter
              Pen of hrba
              Date and time
              May 29, 2014, 10:25AM
              • Pen, it must make you wonder why Clive has become such a darling of the left.

                The ABC love him and Fairfax are not interested. Do you think if he was kicking Shorten the way he is kicking Abbott that Fairfax would take a greater interest in his business dealings with the Chinese or the way he has treated guests and Staff at his dinosaur park or the fact that none of his companies have paid tax for 6 years.

                Its a simple question but why do Fairfax and the ABC overlook this? Do they approve or do they think it is of no interest?

                Commenter
                Pragmatic prince
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 1:14PM
            • You know that game where you name the well known people you would like to invite to a dinner party. Mm, Clive Palmer, Malcolm Turnbull, Martin Parkinson and Peppa Pig. Is something afoot?

              Commenter
              Pluto
              Location
              M
              Date and time
              May 29, 2014, 10:35AM
              • That Turnbull tweet. What a great electioneering pic. He'll have all the mums and Peppa groupies on side. I'm sure of it.

                Commenter
                Pluto
                Location
                Melbourne
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 10:47AM
                • Watched a few episodes of Peppa last night to see what all the fuss is about. She's pretty cool. I like the way she snorts.
                  Peppa, the secret weapon.

                  Commenter
                  A country gal
                  Date and time
                  May 29, 2014, 11:05AM
                • Birds of a feather?

                  Commenter
                  City Slicker
                  Date and time
                  May 29, 2014, 5:55PM
              • Turnbull looks totally unknotted.

                Commenter
                Pen of hrba
                Date and time
                May 29, 2014, 10:52AM
                • Clive's solution to his tie tying problem mirrors his solution to political problems. If what I'm saying makes no sense, then create a diversion and hope people talk about that instead.

                  Commenter
                  Gigondas
                  Date and time
                  May 29, 2014, 11:07AM
                  • That's what all politicians do, not just Clive. It's one of the first things they learn.

                    Commenter
                    Pluto
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    May 29, 2014, 11:11AM
                  • Palmer is a bad joke every which way -

                    Commenter
                    gc
                    Date and time
                    May 29, 2014, 11:26AM
                • George Brandis' cufflinks says it all...we all know the CIA like to hire non-nationals. They signed up George becuase of his uncanny resemblance to Karl Rove

                  Commenter
                  Appalled
                  Location
                  sydney
                  Date and time
                  May 29, 2014, 11:19AM
                  • Brandis' cufflinks? Horror of horrors I thought they belonged to Clive to go with the knot that isn't a knot, but a knot in disguise.

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    May 29, 2014, 11:40AM
                  • No Pen, Clive thinks the Greens are CIA plants and backed. it's all a conspiracy to get rid of coal. Hmm, so Brandis is really a Green in disguise. Certainly has a good cover, very convincing that he's not.

                    Commenter
                    A country gal
                    Date and time
                    May 29, 2014, 11:57AM
                • No medical saying is better known than "first do no harm” or, to use the Latin phrase, “primum non nocere.”

                  Replay of 'True Blood' digging up graves of HECS cancelled.

                  The British animation Peppa Pig saved from the Abbottoir.

                  Clives knot nice but well shod.

                  Commenter
                  Koel
                  Location
                  Central Qld
                  Date and time
                  May 29, 2014, 11:24AM
                  • Well, well, well. Doesn’t the CIA cufflinks say it all.

                    Australia needs to buy more US military hardware. See those 6 aircraft-carriers out at sea? You need to send your flying lemons which we sold you to deal with them.

                    I see no ships.

                    They are over the horizon.

                    But no country has 6 aircraft carriers except the USA, besides each takes a decade to build and they cost zillions.

                    That is right.

                    So why do we need flying lemons?

                    Shush, you best ask the CIA.

                    Commenter
                    Pen of hrba
                    Date and time
                    May 29, 2014, 11:33AM
                    • Shorten, looking for his next stooge. Let's hope they use their real name and not tell porkies. No offence Pepa.

                      Commenter
                      enough is enough
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 11:37AM
                      • Not tell porkies, like Abbott's broken election promises?????

                        Commenter
                        Get Real
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:01PM
                    • I wonder if Malcolm ordered peppa pig at that dinner.

                      Commenter
                      Hacka
                      Location
                      Canberra
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 11:39AM
                      • I heard the crackling sounds like broken promises.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:06PM
                    • It is indeed a sad indictment of Australian Politics when someone like Clive Palmer is given such prominence in the National debate. This is a man who cannot seem to make up his mind what he wants to do-a while back he was going to challenge Wayne Swan in the seat of Lily -that fizzled out. Palmer wants no changes to pensions, free University education and is critical of other budget repair measures. His major contribution to the economic debate is to allow business to pay their income tax once a year instead quarterly. He has the bizarre idea that the delayed payment could be turned over in the economy. He wants to abolish the carbon tax and repay the taxes already paid. He wants to abolish the mining tax. Like the Labor Party and the Greens his alternative to the Government's budget measures are not feasible-none of them have made a case for growing the economy to pay for the continuation of all the spending that they are advocating.

                      Commenter
                      noitall
                      Location
                      Beacon Hill
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 11:44AM
                      • But you'll gleefully take every one of the PUP preferences you can get your hands on. Here's a plan for the up-in-arms squaddies - if you're so anti-Palmer, get your mob to refuse his preferences.

                        Commenter
                        BC
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 11:54AM
                      • The biggest shame is someone like Tony Abbott being elected PM.

                        Commenter
                        Get Real
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 11:57AM
                      • Now explain the Coalition/Labor debt of approximately $84.56 billion to purchase and fly 100 F35 lemons. Which cannot and will not be used to defend Australia, because no regional power has now or in the foreseeable future the ability to attack Australia.

                        Now what will $84.56 billion pay for besides pensions, welfare, and good health care, hmmm?

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 11:58AM
                      • @Pen the Chinese have 2 aircraft carriers. They are not going to use them just to fly kites. With the uncanny ability of the Libs to upset our Asian neighbours we might just need those lemons.

                        Commenter
                        mitch of ACT
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:11PM
                      • Pen you keep calling F35's lemons. While they have experienced some bad production dramas a lot of people say this aircraft is a dud because most of its challengers have better range, manoeuvrability, speed, twin engines etc. What most so called expert fail to realise is that no one can see this plane on Radar. You won’t know it’s they’re so you can never engage it. You will simply be shot down by one of its air to air missiles while your radar shows no one airborne. That what it was designed for. Dog fights went out in the 70’s. You also can’t base your defence of what are the threats now. You gotta plan ahead. However realistically they may never see combat. That what superior air defence is all about. Sort of an (expensive) insurance.

                        Commenter
                        Brettie
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:21PM
                      • mitch of ACT

                        No, China has only one aircraft carrier and that is a refurbished Russian ship. The country with the most carriers in our region is India with 2. The USA has 10 operational carriers in service.

                        Has I have said no country can gain air superiority over Australia without at least 6 aircraft carriers. Keeping in mind that each carrier requires about 12 other ships of different capabilities to protect each carrier.

                        So the notion that China is capable of attacking Australia now or in the foreseeable future is ludicrous.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:35PM
                      • Brettie

                        The F35 invisible lemon isn’t invisible at all, what the Serbians discovered when they bought down a so called stealth fighter with a SAM the Russians integrated SAM long wavelength L-band and X-band radar search technology into the T-50 fighter jet. The T50 and Chinese J20 stealth fighters are considered so superior to the F35 it would be like putting up a WWI Sopwith Camel up against a WWII Spitfire. Needless to say in recent war games the F35 and F18 were found so deficient it was said to be like clubbing baby seals when up against ageing SU30”s and SU35’s. And the F35 costs $32,000 per hour to keep in the air.

                        Obviously you do not understand that the US military uses two grades of stealth technology, the F35 comes with low grade while the F22 has high grade stealth. So the lemon remains a lemon.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:54PM
                      • mitch of ACT

                        Also bear in mind that there are anti carrier missiles available with a range of 1000 miles, which can dispatch a carrier to the ocean floor. Making carriers a questionable investment.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 1:21PM
                      • BC-Preferences are issued for perceived mutual political benefit. The preference argument does not detract from any of the comments I have made concerning Palmers contribution to the economic debate.
                        Get Real-Tony Abbott makes a lot more sense than Palmer who is trying to be popular rather than have the Nation’s interest at heart.
                        Pen of hrba-You are kidding-Given the size of our population we could be attacked at any time-remember Darwin? We have to be prepared to defend ourselves from conventional armed attack and we have to hang on to the US for nuclear deterrence.

                        Commenter
                        noitall
                        Location
                        Beacon Hill
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 1:26PM
                      • @Pen, if anything happens to the first Chinese aircraft carrier they will just bring on their spare: http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/20/china-doubling-its-aircraft-carrier-fleet/ Considering how busy the Chinese are in electronically spying on the US I'm sure that they will have counter measures to any anti-carrier weapons,

                        Commenter
                        mitch of ACT
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 1:57PM
                      • Other than flying off his armchair regularly I doubt Pen is any position to make a valid comparison between the F35 and the Chinese J 20.

                        The fact that current information indicates that the Chinese have only produced 3 prototype examples so far would also seem to undermine his typically exaggerated claims

                        Commenter
                        SteveH.
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 2:14PM
                    • Our Attorney-General (Minister for bookcases) sporting CIA cufflinks, these people just don't get it, why would someone at this level reveal their fascination with such an organisation. What next, front page of the tele in nazi uniform (no thats reserved for the ALP)

                      Commenter
                      chuck this mob out
                      Location
                      illawarra
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 12:03PM
                      • You have so much ammunition and you choose someone's cufflinks? Really?

                        Commenter
                        Jack Black
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:31PM
                    • 11.02 Westfield should have plenty of spare change to donate to the Cons.
                      No doubt a little thank you is in order for the Budget too.

                      Commenter
                      A country gal
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 12:09PM
                      • You would think that instead Westfield would be cursing the Budget. The proposed reduction in disposable incomes of up to and possibly well beyond 11% (depending on doctor's visits) will reduce mall sales and rents along with that. More empty shops as consumers keep their wallets shut.

                        Commenter
                        mitch of ACT
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:25PM
                      • Was referring to the the official tax rate lowering, even though they only pay 8%!!,
                        Totally with you though re consumer spending/confidence. Which will give them an excuse to cut retail penalties as they have in hospitality. Minimum wage next port of call. Besides, Westfield and the like always seem to get their dosh, it's the small businesses/renters that get stung.
                        Stormy weather ahead.

                        Commenter
                        A country gal
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:47PM
                      • Maybe not, ACG. I'm sure that Westfield would already donate to both political tribes but I also understand that Frank Lowey doesn't have much time for TA.

                        Commenter
                        Lewis
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 1:06PM
                      • Lewis GA reports $155k Libs, $150k Lab. So yeh, barely a difference.
                        Heartening to hear another that doesn't have time for TA. The list continues to grow.
                        So many offside, besides Hacka and Rups who does like him?
                        That tap might be getting closer. Even the "other" paper has been reporting bit and pieces lately.

                        Commenter
                        A country gal
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 1:32PM
                    • Was the menu for Bill's visit to Northside Community Services (11:50) compiled by Fiona Nash?

                      And, had that been the quality of cake Marie Antoinette had in mind when she said, "Let them eat cake", the peasants would have replied, "Nah, it's OK. I'll starve. Thanks anyway."

                      Commenter
                      Gigondas
                      Date and time
                      May 29, 2014, 12:19PM
                      • Bookworm Brandis also has matching cufflinks with 'Andrew' on one and 'Bolt' on the other.

                        Commenter
                        Arthur McKenzie
                        Location
                        Canberra
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:26PM
                        • Not so sure, he might have to keep them in the jewellery box this week- IPA saying they have broken an election promise if they don't repeal 'Bolt's Law' 18c.
                          How many more can they manage to get offside. One election promise broken that is acceptable IMO.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 12:53PM
                      • The PUP's conveyance is without wheels, well what do know?

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        May 29, 2014, 12:38PM
                        • 12.34pm; is the Roller (sans wheels) a metaphor for the budget negotiations?

                          Commenter
                          David D
                          Location
                          Ettalong Beach
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 12:41PM
                          • Yes, but it's not the Rolls Royce, it's the Rolls Canardly: Rolls down hill and canardly get up again.

                            Commenter
                            stevek
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 12:54PM
                          • No, I think it is a metaphor for Clive Palmer - all show and no go!

                            Commenter
                            Pollie watcher
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:02PM
                        • Does it really matter what Abbott has to say about whether HECS loans will be chasing students to their graves?
                          .
                          Unless he put it in writing, he obviously doesn't mean what he says.
                          .
                          Abbott has to put it in writing, and sign a penalty clause if he changes his mind before I would even go close to believing a word he says ever again.

                          Commenter
                          Master Blaster
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 12:52PM
                          • Even video of him making promises doesn't prompt him to admission or guilt. He has the ability to effectively lie to himself as well as the rest of us. No one should ever trust what he says or writes down.

                            Commenter
                            Tired of Spin
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 4:52PM
                        • T.A(X) - a volunteer fire fighter
                          ( would be interesting to know his attendance record and whether his body guards also need to be accredited firefighters )
                          is hosing down further controversy of collecting HECS debt from the deceased.

                          On the ABC he said

                          "I want to make it absolutely crystal clear this government is not going to change the existing rules and the existing rules in respect of university debts, Fee Help debt, Hecs debt are that they cease, they cease on decease, as it were,”

                          This in contradiction to the position adopted by Pyne and Hockey.
                          He is loosing control of his ministers.
                          Pyne and Hockey now looks like a couple of dills.
                          Malcolm meanwhile is 'dining' with Clive to gauge his 'support' just in case there is a leadership spill.
                          Clive might just be the one to replace Rupert as the kingmaker?
                          Hope is a better deal maker than a mechanic!
                          Is Malcolm trying to extract himself from UTE-Gate and hope that he has more success with Peking Duck Gate!

                          If polling for Malcolm improves, it might be the death nail for T.A(X).
                          Is he debating whether to keep his friends close or his enemies closer?

                          Commenter
                          FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 12:58PM
                          • When TA utters the following "I want to make it absolutely crystal clear..." we all know a big fat back-flip is just around the corner!

                            Commenter
                            Get Real
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 1:37PM
                          • Get Real, 'Fair Dinkum' seems to be getting a pretty good workout too. As is 'Bob Hawke'. But if I hear his firetruck/fire metaphor again, I'll scream.

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 1:54PM
                          • The Libs really sucked in Laborites with their bait of collecting HECS from deceased students. They took it hook, line and sinker!

                            Commenter
                            Pollie watcher
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:08PM
                          • TA: :"I want to make it absolutely crystal clear..." that crystal of his is similar to the fortune teller's crystal: never comes true

                            Commenter
                            Mais51
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:20PM
                        • Turnbull join PUP? Anything is possible with the political class of course but I doubt it. The sort of egos & narcissism we're talking about here would not give up that prime ministerial dream that easily.

                          Commenter
                          Lewis
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 1:00PM
                          • Abbott wouldn't miss him one bit in the party room - why should he care there are plenty of them in the back bench to fill the hole.

                            Commenter
                            Mais51
                            Location
                            Sydney
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:10PM
                        • 12.25 Manus "cover up". Is this another case of offending a neighbour? Appears they'll do anything to push their agenda and milk it for every drop of political expediency.
                          Meanwhile a murderer and attempted murderers roam free and are still employed.
                          Transfield and Bibby Maritime rakes it in by the bucketload, as refugees and asylum seekers continue to suffer. Hun Sen rubbing his hands together and anticipating a big fat cheque for a dodgy scheme.
                          On shore is the logical, economical and humane answer.

                          Commenter
                          A country gal
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 1:14PM
                          • It's a charming government we have, isn't it? Deteriorating relations first Indonesia now PNG. Does anybody in the current government exercise ANY form of diplomacy?

                            Commenter
                            Interesting
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 1:37PM
                          • Transfield did not have the contract back then but don't let facts get in your way. Its a pity you did not have the same compassion when 1200 died after being lured into boats by labor and the greens but 1200 deaths is nothing compared to the one under the coalition (under conditions and contractors set up by labor)

                            Commenter
                            Pragmatic prince
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:07PM
                          • princess, not for a moment did I infer Transfield had the contract during the riots. they do have now though, nothing like buttering your mates bread.
                            G4S and Salvos have had their contracts terminated- not due to the riots as far as we know.
                            Nothing like a deflection though from the current situation, which is a deteriorating diplomatic situation with PNG. A cover up and no arrests. No doubt plenty of detainees wished they'd drowned.

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:18PM
                          • @ACG, what has Transfield's contract award got to do with anything? So any Government Contractor that has been awarded a contract has only been appointed through a jobs for the boys policy? Completely unfounded and irrelevant socialist idealistic drivel.

                            Commenter
                            Llama Farma
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:48PM
                          • hi pragmatic prince - could you at least understand that people drowned when they were in charge of their own destinies and not in our jurisdiction.

                            Barati died when we kidnapped him and put him in harm's way.

                            In other words, those who drowned died for their own risky behaviour; Barati died because of our risky behaviour.

                            Commenter
                            Ross
                            Location
                            MALLABULA
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 2:54PM
                          • Ross - do you understand that in the 5 years before 2007 there were virtually no boas only 3 people in detention. Why did that change? Because labor and the greens wanted to be compassionate. That compassion cost 1200 lives.
                            How very Sarah hanson Young of you to put the blame back onto these people who you claim are fleeing persecution.

                            Commenter
                            Pragmatic prince
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 3:13PM
                          • So Llama, were there contracts gazetted?
                            Besides I don't know why we don't use the Defence Forces ,Health Dept, Social Services, Education Dept etc to provide the Services.
                            What does the Defence Force and its members actually do in peace time, besides play games?

                            Commenter
                            A country gal
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 5:04PM
                          • not interesting - the Indonesia ambassador has returned to Canberra and SBY has invited Abbott to that meeting coming up.

                            Any deterioration in PNG relations can be traced back to a ONE page document the ALP claimed set out all these policies etc.

                            At least the PNG policy was on real paper and not a beer coaster of a paper napkin

                            Commenter
                            Andie
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 5:47PM
                        • Who would you pick for the Supercoach team of politicians to lead the government and who would be Captain?

                          Commenter
                          Tucky
                          Location
                          Warragul
                          Date and time
                          May 29, 2014, 1:17PM
                          • With question time approaching, it's worth noting that this week Doug Cameron released a pamphlet claiming that aged pensioners would lose a seniors supplement worth $876.20 each year as part of the budget changes. Only problem was that there are no changes to the supplement in the budget.

                            "It was a mistake", Cameron was quoted as saying yesterday, adding that "everything else in the leaflet is accurate". I'll take him at his word.

                            Commenter
                            Hacka
                            Location
                            Canberra
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 1:34PM
                            • Well Hacka you have taken TA at his word for the past 5 yearsso it is a bit rich coming from you!!!!!

                              Commenter
                              Get Real
                              Date and time
                              May 29, 2014, 1:39PM
                            • Meanwhile Abbott is still trying to come to grips with reading power bills, Whyalla still existing and that breaking election promises is lying no matter how you try to dress it up.

                              Are the gold plated PPL scheme and company tax rate cut still going ahead even though we have a "budget emergency"? Sure are.

                              Commenter
                              Unbelievable
                              Date and time
                              May 29, 2014, 1:47PM
                            • Didn't come from me Get Real, it came straight from Senator Cameron.

                              It was unclear whether he had apologised for the error.

                              Commenter
                              Hacka
                              Location
                              Canberra
                              Date and time
                              May 29, 2014, 1:52PM
                            • Hmm the cricket box has been quite vocal over the last week or so what with throwing budget papers and the Telegraph paper in the bin. Seems he's overcooked himself this time in his zeal to condemn all things blue.....

                              Commenter
                              Smack
                              Location
                              City of the Fallen
                              Date and time
                              May 29, 2014, 2:39PM
                          • So does George Brandis discriminate between the discrimination commissioners? Someone should report him! But to whom?

                            Commenter
                            Tucky
                            Location
                            Warragul
                            Date and time
                            May 29, 2014, 1:41PM
                            • Malcolm realises that his future is tied inexorably to his championing of Peppa Pig.

                              Commenter
                              Pluto
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              May 29, 2014, 1:42PM
                              • A simple rhyme befitting the state of affairs 'dominating' the current Parliamentary session.

                                ABBO and Joe toil and trouble.
                                Budget burns and party rumble.
                                Voters hit hard and start to grumble.
                                More hard questions and ABBO stumble.
                                Backbench revolt, ABBO tumble.
                                Malcolm and Clive, the unlikely double?
                                Off to the poll again, stupid gamble.
                                Well and truly beaten, LNP crumble.

                                Commenter
                                Poetic Justice?
                                Date and time
                                May 29, 2014, 1:44PM
                                • in other news , MH370 pings (from a little while ago) have been officially deemed not genuine. If I remember correctly Tone was a bit puffy-chested about Oz leading the salvage and now it's back to square one. Funny that coincidence with how federal politics are going at the moment.

                                  Commenter
                                  stankus
                                  Date and time
                                  May 29, 2014, 1:49PM
                                  • How things change over time. Hockey a radical student protesting about fees. Turnbull a former member of the Labour party. And look what fortune and fame have got them. Joe holds the purse strings of the nation. Malcolm holds...... Malcolm holds..... Oh well, if he had stayed with Labour he would have been the longest serving PM behind Menzies and Howard. Still fortune and fame is everything.

                                    Commenter
                                    Tucky
                                    Location
                                    Warragul
                                    Date and time
                                    May 29, 2014, 1:59PM
                                    • My questions are to the Member for Taxtown

                                      Hacka

                                      What further lessons do you need on the structure and operation of the medicare levy surcharge?

                                      Are you really so ignorant that you don't understand this surcharge?

                                      Is pausing the medicare levy surcharge an expenditure saving as Hockey stated in Budget paper #2 or is it a revenue raising measure?

                                      It's a tax increase isn't it?

                                      Will the Member for Taxtown refute the Health minster who admitted to Uhlmann on AM that it is a tax increase?

                                      Commenter
                                      Windmill
                                      Date and time
                                      May 29, 2014, 2:05PM
                                      • Hi Windmill, thanks for the promotion, do all the perks and salary come with it ? To answer your questions:

                                        1. Unclear, see 2
                                        2. Maybe
                                        3. The surcharge isn't being paused
                                        4. See 3
                                        5. See 3

                                        Anything else ?

                                        Commenter
                                        Hacka
                                        Location
                                        Canberra
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 2:18PM
                                      • Hacka

                                        The indexation of the income thresholds for the medicare levy surcharge is being paused. Fact

                                        Budget paper #2 says
                                        The Government will achieve savings .... by pausing the indexation of the income thresholds for the Medicare Levy Surcharge ... for three years from 1 July 2015.

                                        Your QT stands

                                        Is pausing the medicare levy surcharge an expenditure saving as Hockey stated in Budget paper #2 or is it a revenue raising measure?

                                        It's a tax increase isn't it?

                                        Will the Member for Taxtown refute the Health minster who admitted to Uhlmann on AM that it is a tax increase?

                                        Commenter
                                        Windmill
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 2:32PM
                                      • Windmill - firstly you claimed the Medicare levy surcharge was being paused, which would have brought great relief to many taxpayers. Now you're talking about indexation being paused, how very confusing.

                                        Looks like you were right about me being too ignorant to follow.

                                        Although we're in good company with Senator Cameron getting all confused about the budget too.

                                        Commenter
                                        Hacka
                                        Location
                                        Canberra
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 3:20PM
                                      • @Windmill, of course it's a tax increase. All other elements being equal more revenue will be collected. However the Lieberal luvvies on here would prefer to call it a rabbit.

                                        Commenter
                                        mitch of ACT
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 3:33PM
                                      • Hacka
                                        You are being pedantic, but that wont stop QT, so now you are not confused, I'll rephrase the QT for you-

                                        Is pausing the indexation of the income threshold on the medicare levy surcharge an expenditure saving as Hockey stated in Budget paper #2 or is it a revenue raising measure?

                                        It's a tax increase isn't it?

                                        Will the Member for Taxtown refute the Health minister who admitted to Uhlmann on AM that it is a tax increase?

                                        Commenter
                                        Windmill
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 4:55PM
                                    • Question at 2.06pm: The real answer is "because like everything else we have counted our chickens before they hatched".

                                      Commenter
                                      tasch2
                                      Location
                                      Mornington Peninsula
                                      Date and time
                                      May 29, 2014, 2:13PM
                                      • You mean like spending the take of the mining tax before they're realised? Or announcing 4 years of budget surpluses before they are realised. Is that counting your swans before they are hatched.

                                        Commenter
                                        Lewis
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 2:35PM
                                      • That's legislating for outcomes that don't eventuate.

                                        The temerity of acting on an outcome before its Legislated for however is either negligence or taking the intelligence of constituency for granted. The way this government is going it might even be both.

                                        Commenter
                                        tasch2
                                        Location
                                        Mornington Peninsula
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 3:12PM
                                      • Yes Lewis - just like 'we will never have a GST' or 'interest rates will always be lower under the LNP' or going to war based on a LIE or core and non-core promises or the 28 undisputed broken promises by THIS Govt. already. Just like THAT!

                                        Commenter
                                        Mark
                                        Location
                                        Melbourne
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 3:49PM
                                    • A plan for a "Stronger Australia" - A PLAN - unlikely with this Govt - now a few sloagans perhaps - new ones please - no the "STOP THE BOATS" old rubbish

                                      Commenter
                                      Really ?
                                      Date and time
                                      May 29, 2014, 2:14PM
                                      • Funny how they talk about whether they should chase students for a few bucks even if they die - while corporations are constantly avoiding paying $$ billions $$ through corporate loopholes. Wouldnt this be the obvious way of getting the budget back on track?

                                        Commenter
                                        C Orporate Welfare
                                        Location
                                        Balmain
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 2:15PM
                                        • A Zombie government with a front bench of the Walking Dead.

                                          Commenter
                                          GOV
                                          Location
                                          Sydney
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 2:24PM
                                        • Of course not. The current lot of government pollies are looking forward to life after they lose the next election. The big end of town is always looking for people who know how things run from the inside. Gives them much more influence.

                                          Commenter
                                          Pluto
                                          Location
                                          Melbourne
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 3:13PM
                                        • How many cheques did the Rudd/Gillard / Shorten government send out to dead people?? Did they try to reclaim the money???

                                          Commenter
                                          Andie
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 5:41PM
                                        • Heh - Andy - That is a pretty insignificant grip VS a VERY significant amount of money big businesses are avoiding... Just look how much Westfield pays in tax.. only 10% instead of 30% and they are worth 10's of billions of $$... This is actually a world problem that many governments want to solve (off shore accounts / low tax havens) If you are happy paying over 30% yourself while Google pays 5% then go ahead and be happy about it !

                                          Commenter
                                          C Orporate Welfare
                                          Location
                                          Balmain
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 6:07PM
                                      • PM on radio "this government is not going to change the existing rules" What ? Pull the other One. I think I just saw Pepa Pig fly past . . . .

                                        Commenter
                                        Really ?
                                        Date and time
                                        May 29, 2014, 2:17PM
                                        • It's not a very smart idea of Hockey to get Palmer further offside by trying to belittle him with the title of "professor", then lecturing him like a teacher would a student.

                                          Commenter
                                          Jason of Gold Coast
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 2:24PM
                                          • It is however totally in keepimg with the approach of this government. Belittlement of others, coupled with astounding arrogance appear to be stock in trade.

                                            Commenter
                                            meganjj
                                            Location
                                            melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 2:41PM
                                          • And Professor Palmer has his red pen out to give them a "FAIL" mark. He's there because he thinks he can do better. He certainly seems to have a better grasp of the concept of social justice than the rest of them.,

                                            Commenter
                                            mitch of ACT
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 3:48PM
                                          • Palmer claims to be a Professor and lists it on his web site as he received some Honorary appointment so Hockey was addressing his as Palmer says he is.

                                            Does Clive belittle Clive by claiming to be a Professor??

                                            What pathetic comments.

                                            Commenter
                                            Andie
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 5:40PM
                                        • 2.16 Clive's re knotted his knot.

                                          Commenter
                                          A country gal
                                          Date and time
                                          May 29, 2014, 2:25PM
                                          • I think Abbott is trying to establish "the wink" as a part of his normal performance repertoire. Whenever and wherever he does it, it still comes across as sly.

                                            Commenter
                                            Pluto
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 2:41PM
                                            • I think it's a nervous twitch as he awaits the knife in the back!

                                              Commenter
                                              Sharron
                                              Location
                                              Canberra
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 2:52PM
                                            • @Sharron. Any idea who the conspirators might be?

                                              Commenter
                                              Pluto
                                              Location
                                              Melbourne
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:03PM
                                          • Hate to break the news but Morrison is lining up to take over from Abbott he's edging closer daily.

                                            Commenter
                                            amro
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 2:51PM
                                            • Whilst anyone would be better than the incumbent, I don't think Morrison's got any hope of replacing Abbott, though I do note the bookies are increasingly of your view.

                                              Commenter
                                              Jason of Gold Coast
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:18PM
                                          • Somewhat ironic that 'live on $35 a day' Macklin is complaining about pensions.

                                            We already know hers is going to be north of $200K pa.

                                            Commenter
                                            SteveH.
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 2:57PM
                                            • As will be everybody else's in her position; but is that reason to criticise her for standing up for pensioner's whose pension will be subject to the CPI and who will, somewhat
                                              pre-emptively, be subject to a GP copayment
                                              from July 1 (2014) and an increase in PBS and RPBS scripts?

                                              Commenter
                                              Jason of Gold Coast
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:11PM
                                            • Sure Jason, and if I was repeating one of Abbott's clangers you'd think that was great stuff.

                                              Last year your poor little pensioner protectors were busy pushing single mums out the door, but it was all different then.

                                              Commenter
                                              SteveH.
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 4:15PM
                                            • Good to see ,Jason, that you're, at least, not pushing out the cricket box's falsities about pension cuts etc when no such cuts were going to occur.

                                              Commenter
                                              Smack
                                              Location
                                              City of the Fallen
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 5:07PM
                                          • Turnbull is acting and sounding like he had a double shot of caffeine over lunch, or is his excitation based on his leader's poor performance this week? Tony just doesn't seem his old self of late. Could it be the polls?

                                            Commenter
                                            Jason of Gold Coast
                                            Date and time
                                            May 29, 2014, 2:59PM
                                            • Looks like yet another question time of stupid questions. I can't believe BS actually asked about spending on The Lodge!!?! How can the opposition continue to always miss? Clive is doing a far better job & he is hopeless.

                                              Commenter
                                              Lewis
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:00PM
                                              • Agreed.

                                                Commenter
                                                Carl
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                May 29, 2014, 3:02PM
                                              • Mutual admiration squaddies.

                                                Commenter
                                                BC
                                                Date and time
                                                May 29, 2014, 3:22PM
                                            • I have yet to hear the Speaker caution the Treasurer, despite the fact he has the loudest voice in the chamber and constantly interjects during questions and answers.

                                              Commenter
                                              Carl
                                              Location
                                              Melbourne
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:00PM
                                              • Pig may fly

                                                Commenter
                                                Mais51
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                May 29, 2014, 3:54PM
                                            • While the government is rubbing its hands over the disclosure during QT that the Hawke government was proposing a $3.50 Medicare co-payment, the important facts that they need to concentrate on was (a) it didn't get up and (b) it contributed to Bob Hawke's demise.
                                              I hope history repeats for Mr. Abbott

                                              Commenter
                                              stevek
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:04PM
                                              • I suggest you revisit the history.

                                                It DID get up but Keating promised to abolish to get the numbers to oust Hawke.

                                                Commenter
                                                Andie
                                                Date and time
                                                May 29, 2014, 5:30PM
                                            • Abbott seems confused.
                                              He just told Tanya Plibersek that a fair dunkum PPL is a workplace entitlement, not welfare.
                                              Currently, my employer pays my paternity/maternity leave entitlements. No govt role.
                                              Under the government's PPL, the government pays after taxing the top 3,200 companies...right?
                                              If the government pays for it from tax revenue, doesn't that make it welfare?

                                              Commenter
                                              DT
                                              Date and time
                                              May 29, 2014, 3:06PM
                                                • He's been confused since September 2013 when the slogans stopped!

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Get Real
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 29, 2014, 3:14PM
                                                • Sounds like a form of welfare to me. A payment based on no service provided and means-tested and subject to eligibility requirements. That fits the definition of most welfare payments made today.
                                                  Did you also know that it's going to take a whole gov't department to manage something at a substantial cost to the taxpayer that industry now does itself for free. Also fits the definition of welfare.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  mitch of ACT
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 29, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                • What do you mean "seems"? Who is confused here?

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pen of hrba
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 29, 2014, 4:00PM
                                              • Is i just me or did the speaker just give the government 2 questions in a row

                                                Commenter
                                                Tim
                                                Location
                                                Inner City
                                                Date and time
                                                May 29, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                • Turnbull seems to think he's some kind of comedian rather than the Minister in charge of the now-neutered NBN. Oh how he laughs at his own wit, all while presiding over the greatest white elephant since ... the Direct Action plan. Now there's something hilarious for you, Malcolm.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  BC
                                                  Date and time
                                                  May 29, 2014, 3:20PM
                                                  • I'm glad to hear the PM say he is going to fix the mess and disaster the ALP left.

                                                    In particular he needs to fix the disaster of AAA rating, fix the mess of low interest rates, fix the disaster of low inflation and fix the mess of low unemployment that the ALP left him.

                                                    I look forward to hearing what he is going to do to reduce that rating to A, increase interest rates, increase inflation and increase unemployment.

                                                    I also look forward to him repealing Rudd's tax cuts and getting rid of the rest of the wastefull middle class and corporate welfare that helped create the structural deficit disaster that he has inherited from Howard.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Windmill
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 29, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                    • Windmill,
                                                      He's already made his forecasts. He'll fix the GDP rate by forecasting a lower rate of growth; he'll fix unemployment by forecasting a higher unemployment rate........ and yet promise that this is a growth & infrastructure budget!!!!!
                                                      Do you see something wrong with JH & TA's logic on this?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Econorat
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 4:07PM
                                                    • If only the kids would keep their rooms so tidy.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      mitch of ACT
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 4:11PM
                                                    • Rat at least he in not promising 500 times he has achieved a budget surplus like the ALP ineptocracy did.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Andie
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 5:35PM
                                                  • Hopeless performance from the opposition today in question time, particularly BS. Bring on Jason Clare.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Jack Black
                                                    Date and time
                                                    May 29, 2014, 3:24PM
                                                    • So I repeat, as it wasn't posted earlier, has our Rhodes Scholar Prime Minister found MH370 .... again .... yet?

                                                      Can we perhaps have a little debate as to the merits of making such a despatch box announcement of the 'substantial' findings some months ago now.

                                                      Discuss whether we believes that they were a little petulant, and may be an example of his the inability to conduct measured and reasoned judgement.

                                                      All too keen to showboat and big note himself on the World stage (limelight grabbing) without actually waiting until the craft WAS found.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Joe the POM
                                                      Location
                                                      Geelong
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 3:25PM
                                                      • He's already found MH370, twice.
                                                        What more do you want?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Jezz
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:05PM
                                                    • The Prime Minister's office has intervened in a dispute between Defence Minister David Johnston and his former chief of staff to protect the staff member.

                                                      Never Fear Fireman ABBO to the rescue.
                                                      With a
                                                      WINK,
                                                      SMIRK
                                                      and Nose TWITCH.

                                                      Problem Disappeared

                                                      Commenter
                                                      NO! NO! NO!
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 3:25PM
                                                      • Spot on Joe the Pom, just grandstanding as he tends to do when needing an ego fix or a distraction. Not sure why just 'we' put our hands up.
                                                        How much is this costing, are other nations contributing to the cost?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 5:30PM
                                                    • Hopeless performance from the opposition in question time today, particularly BS. Bring on Jason Clare.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Jack Black
                                                      Date and time
                                                      May 29, 2014, 3:32PM
                                                        • seems that at the end of every qn time, there is an orchestrated chorus of "hopeless performance", "Hopeless performance" "Yeeees, hopeless .. hrumph barf".

                                                          A little predictable and unproductive, but I guess that comes with the brief to support this government

                                                          Commenter
                                                          rod steiger
                                                          Location
                                                          toukley
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:07PM
                                                        • The questions from BS are much more useful than the silly Dorothy Dixers which are self-serving and only asked to reduce the QT available to the Opposition and crossbenches

                                                          Commenter
                                                          stevek
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:29PM
                                                      • after listening to labour getting smashed again in so called question time.... is there anyone that could vote for shorten? Labours loss of some well performing people in disgust at the factional war, union faceless men and two of the worst pms of all time is really now starting to show.....

                                                        Commenter
                                                        MELBOURNE CENTRIST
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 3:41PM
                                                        • Seriously? After the spectacle that is the current PM you LNP luvvies still have a shot at Gillard and Rudd? Thick-skinned or no pride.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          BC
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:07PM
                                                        • Unless 60% of the caucus like 60% of ALP members want to get rid of Little Billy they are stuck with him until after the next election.

                                                          So much for Rudd's reforms.

                                                          Caucus should have done to Rudd what the Victorian ALP did the Little Billy's suggested changes last weekend - put him back in his box with his tail between his legs.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Andie
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:31PM
                                                        • @MC. A quick look through the posts shows me that LNP squaddies are light on content area, and getting pretty desperate to find something to support Abbott & LNP. They STILL use that worn out chestnut, 'But it was all Labor's fault'
                                                          Gestation for us humans is around 9 months - and counting back to September 2013 - now is the time for a good analogy about the LNP 'birth their baby' and to start taking responsibility for what they've produced.
                                                          Seems fair and reasonable in anyone's books!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Jump
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:37PM
                                                      • McCormack, supposedly supporting Rural/Regional Oz. The Nats are hopeless, just puppets for the Libs.
                                                        They should crossing the floor over the Budget not endorsing it.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        A country gal
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 3:50PM
                                                        • Exactly! Even though Griffith and Wagga are in the MIA, the pollies from Wagga Wagga never did care about the farming communities in the Griffith area, only those in the Wagga area.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Sharron
                                                          Location
                                                          Canberra
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:03PM
                                                        • Gal

                                                          Basically the Nats, Libs and Labor are all in bed together. Self-interest is the name of the game and to hell with making life easier for Australians.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:12PM
                                                        • Sharron, Pen it the absolute hypocrisy of them. Their whole platform and manifesto is about being the 'all' for rural'/regional Oz.
                                                          McCormick had his chance for a yell, didn't mention the cuts to the CSIRO or inaction on CC did he, oh no. Just yell at the top of his voice about how bad the CT is. Least I haven't seen Broad make a fool of himself like that, yet.
                                                          Dunno. my member/electorate seems to be garnering a lot of attention over plenty of other rural seats in the country.
                                                          The Greens and Indi's are the only ones with any rational and pragmatic rural policies IMO.
                                                          What a farce the House is, just getting deplorable. The Senate is where we should be watching.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:33PM
                                                      • 3:16 - it's fair to say Bill's struggling today, finding it hard to land a blow.

                                                        Good thing Tone stopped the fight, Bronnie might have had to step in.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Hacka
                                                        Location
                                                        Canberra
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:04PM
                                                        • Yet the polls continue to slide, I suppose the voting public can see through the one sided charade that question time has become. Wallow in the small false victories until 2016

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Get Real
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:16PM
                                                        • A lot like you then, Hacka.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:19PM
                                                        • Bronnie only steps in under instruction.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Jezz
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:20PM
                                                        • Get Real - has there been another poll since Newspoll and Nielsen last week ?

                                                          What were the numbers ?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Hacka
                                                          Location
                                                          Canberra
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:32PM
                                                        • Despite the constant 'up sell' by Hack & Co., the Newspoll results always favour Abbott more kindly than the other polls. No prizes for guessing why...
                                                          P.S. Abbott's slide down has been continual - and consistent. He's no longer trusted, it seems!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Jump
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 5:14PM
                                                        • Hacka the numbers are the worst for any new government and don't appear to be getting any better. There isn't much point quoting them due to the inherent understanding issue you have of figures.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Get Real
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 5:14PM
                                                      • Re: "The missing Malaysian Airlines plane is not in the Indian Ocean search zone where the "pings" were detected."

                                                        Surprise, surprise, surprise I said at the beginning that the chances of finding it have always been minimal at best and a waste of time money and resources. What would the black boxes have told us about an ageing plane going out of production?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:09PM
                                                        • Ahhh, it would have told us where the plane is located Pen.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Hacka
                                                          Location
                                                          Canberra
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                        • I'd maintain that the plane is somewhere on the flight path to Peking crashed at sea as someone saw the flame but they dismissed it out of hand. To hard to explain - could be a terrorist bomb on-board or shot down accidentally by the military that why they are going out of their way to cover is up - and we are duped into helping them. Truth will come out eventually. Rest peace 239 souls

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Mais51
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:49PM
                                                      • PEN's Fruit trees...
                                                        My friend have you heard the announcement by The new PM of India? It has done more to stop coal investment than anything from the 356.org. AMP has banned coal investments based on this announcement alone!!! India will now be launching the biggest solar PV generation in the world. I am crying into my coal shares .. but it should help your fruit trees.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Cwitty
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                        • Cwitty

                                                          Oh dear oh dear:

                                                          "India has pledged to build the world’s most powerful solar plant. With a nominal capacity of 4,000 megawatts, comparable to that of four full-size nuclear reactors, the ‘ultra mega' project will be more than ten times larger than any other solar project built so far, and it will spread over 77 square kilometers of land — greater than the island of Manhattan" (Pen of hrba, 1/4/14).

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:31PM
                                                        • I KNOW!!!
                                                          I have been trying to console myself all day. The plan is to go from 4000 to a whopping 20000 Mw. China will be shamed and forced to be the 'Biggest' It's the catalyst of this that bothers me most. Thermal coal will fall below the break even price forcing closures.. Woe is me :(

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Cwitty
                                                          Location
                                                          Sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:47PM
                                                        • Nothing new to see here, Have read elsewhere well before the election.
                                                          Coal Shares, how embarrassing- So Last Century.
                                                          P.S I've got ripening strawberries and tomatoes- in Vic in near June!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:52PM
                                                        • Cwitty

                                                          Well that is what happens when islands start disappearing all over the place isn't it? Five mm a year sea rise in the Bay of Bengal that's 5 metres in a century, Witty. Work that one out for London, New York and the Netherlands.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:54PM
                                                        • @Pen. Hmm. You do manage to 'call' a lot of things correctly... Care to share that magic mirror around with some the people who still think TA makes a good PM?
                                                          Perhaps a real peek into the future will help them accept alternative viewpoints?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Jump
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:55PM
                                                      • Parliament Question Time is so predictable.

                                                        MPs should liven up and have a sing song like
                                                        Hope you know the tune!

                                                        Tony Tony give me an answer or two
                                                        I'm half crazy, because of your budget blue.
                                                        It won't a wonderful Christmas,
                                                        Coz' I can't afford a sausage.
                                                        But you really look good
                                                        Set on a backbench seat
                                                        Ready and waiting for you

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Boring
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:19PM
                                                        • Not bad.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pluto
                                                          Location
                                                          Melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:39PM
                                                      • For God's sake what do we want to fight in Syria for? Even the Syrians are hard pressed to work out who is fighting who.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Pen of hrba
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:37PM
                                                        • I presume they're talking mercenaries, ex pats.
                                                          Don't give the Govt any ideas, that's all we need.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:45PM
                                                        • Yes, we have a Lieberal gov't now. They are always only too willing to get us involved in other people's wars. Indonesian confrontation, Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, East Timor & Afghanistan. Where next.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          mitch of ACT
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:50PM
                                                        • Gal

                                                          That is illegal or does that not count?

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:55PM
                                                        • Don't mention WMD's either!!!!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Get Real
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:56PM
                                                        • Yes, it is illegal and it does count. Did you take note of Irvine's response re resources.
                                                          I got a distinct impression he was implying they were making do with resources.
                                                          The priorities of spending in this regime
                                                          leave a lot to be desired. As for ethics, devoid. Medicare already has a message about Dr co- payments, jumping the gun a bit there re the Senate.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          A country gal
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 6:13PM
                                                      • So great that the Govt spent all that money that could have saved Holden and the auto industry on looking for the stupid plane in the completely wrong spot. Another smash hit from Tony and the Tossers.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        GOV
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        May 29, 2014, 4:49PM
                                                        • That appearance by Dr Tune at Senate estimates is a little inconvenient for the opposition, who've been trying to have a go at the government for potentially using advertising to communicate some of the budget measures.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Hacka
                                                          Location
                                                          Canberra
                                                          Date and time
                                                          May 29, 2014, 4:54PM
                                                          • No ping no findee black box. Poor old Hacka cannot grasp the equation

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Pen of hrba
                                                            Date and time
                                                            May 29, 2014, 4:57PM
                                                            • Re: "This is painstaking effort in a very large ocean."

                                                              Not so pains taking that they use the cheapest peace of location equipment on the market. One that clearly has defects and the depths investigated are beyond its capabilities. And they found nothing, oh dear, what a surprise.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Pen of hrba
                                                              Date and time
                                                              May 29, 2014, 5:04PM
                                                              • so why is the PM constantly winking these day...hmmm he's trying to justify his tackiness the other day...here comes the habitual tick (or tacky) excuse...

                                                                Commenter
                                                                sera
                                                                Location
                                                                sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                May 29, 2014, 5:42PM
                                                                • Ok Clive, tell us what you are eating for dinner tonight and who will be at your table?

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  enough is enough
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  May 29, 2014, 6:04PM
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