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Politics live: Scott Morrison and top brass face Senate inquiry

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  • Welcome back,
    But if that was a court case Morrison and Campbell would be facing contempt of court,

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Date and time
    January 31, 2014, 5:22PM
    • @Gigandas - the secrecy is meant for people like yourself and almost all the above commentators who prefer to have anybody enter this country by any other means than the correct way, through a doorway at an airport.

      Commenter
      Marsala
      Location
      Ainslie
      Date and time
      January 31, 2014, 5:20PM
      • I've heard that boats are landing on the Northern Australian coastline and Northern Islands instead of Christmas Island and the asylum seekers are then just filtering into the Australian community through friends that are organising this different method of getting them into Australia.

        Commenter
        Bushy
        Location
        Cressy
        Date and time
        January 31, 2014, 5:17PM
        • The Ploy is , If they don't know . they'll think it didn't happen!! Mr Morrison didn't read his homework! he doesn't know! So it Didn't happen!!!

          Commenter
          Sunshine of Bendigo
          Date and time
          January 31, 2014, 5:16PM
          • Funny how the LNP stooges on here are raving about the boats have stopped, when its the Monsoon and Typhoon season, huge seas. The boats will come again sorry to spoil your rants.

            Commenter
            Piesnchess
            Date and time
            January 31, 2014, 5:07PM
            • "He also makes an appeal for some Aussie agreement.

              "Both people smugglers and potential illegal immigrants alike would hope to hear a stark divergence of views in a public debate in Australia that may reinforce a persistent but incorrect assumption by them that Australian policies will change.""

              It is clear then that for three years the Liberals were batting for Team Abbott against Team Australia. Nice to know that our government has been accused of acting against Australia's interests by the leader of their war again people fleeing terror.

              Commenter
              Whyalla Wipeout
              Date and time
              January 31, 2014, 4:57PM
              • Just maybe the reason for a shortage of boats is because of the monsoon season being in full swing and nothing to o with the shortage of information being supplied to Australians.

                I doubt very much if Scott Morrison could lie straight in bed given his inability to give a straight answer Obviously he has not read the documents he has proscribed. Secrecy in this is the cover for the incompetent.

                Commenter
                Peter Adam
                Date and time
                January 31, 2014, 4:56PM
                • Are you referring to Operation Suffering Boarders run by the Minister for Chunky Custard: Australia, you're standing in it - no not you lot, just us and 450,000 immigrants a year

                  Commenter
                  Christopher
                  Location
                  Watershipdownunder
                  Date and time
                  January 31, 2014, 4:54PM
                  • Just how did this Committee get its structure and membership. It is stacked with 2nd rate Greens and ALP Senators and biased beyond belief on the subject, There is the wet eyed child SHY, the vacuous Wright ( 1st time I have ever
                    heard of her ..I now see why!), the pompous Carr ( the car industry union charity bagman) and Ludwig ( the man who critically damaged Indonesian/Oz relations by watching a 7.30 report and stopping beef exports and another ex union boss ). I watched bemused as intelligent men were queried by these thick low brows. The General was superb...

                    Commenter
                    gusferg
                    Location
                    melbourne
                    Date and time
                    January 31, 2014, 4:53PM
                    • It's called numbers. It is the essence of democracy in this country. There are less Lib-Nat Senators that there are the other parties together, so they get the majority on the Committee.

                      I am truly worried that this Government has dumbed down the understanding of our democracy among its supporters to zilch.

                      Commenter
                      Whyalla Wipeout
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 5:12PM
                    • It's the Senate, once the playground of John Howard. Did you whinge then? Why do you have issues with the structure and processes of our our democratic parliamentary system now?

                      Commenter
                      Max Gross
                      Location
                      Sapphire Coast
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 5:21PM
                  • Hacka,
                    why do you keep posting pro government propaganda without actually commenting on the issue?
                    Are you maybe part of that government?

                    Commenter
                    Coastal Kate
                    Location
                    Central Coast
                    Date and time
                    January 31, 2014, 4:51PM
                    • It's a shame the Senate doesn't have as much concern for millions of dollars of union members funds being misused.

                      Commenter
                      Mark
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:45PM
                      • And for millions of dollars given to wealthy Mining magnates in tax concessions by Abbott.

                        Commenter
                        Piesnchess
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 4:59PM
                      • Really, what has this to do with asylum seekers. By the same token I could say it is a shame that the Senate does not launch an immediate inquiry into the attempts by the Abbott Government to intimidate the ABC into becoming a Government mouthpiece.

                        Commenter
                        Whyalla Wipeout
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:14PM
                    • Maybe the strategy is to minimise information that gets to the illegals who pay lots of money to get on a boat.They now either must believe the "people smugglers" or believe the updates from the government .
                      The latest news released is that NO boat has arrived in Austrlaia in the last month.
                      What would you do if you wanted to come to come to Australia now ?
                      Give me a break and recognise a successful strategy versus the failed labor/green policies where the NEWS was illegal boat every day , illegal people drowning and illegal people demonstrating on detention roof.
                      The only people i feel sorry for are the real refugees trying to come to Australia legally ,yet being gazumped by ILLEGALS under labor/green policies.

                      Commenter
                      aaa53
                      Location
                      sydney
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:39PM
                      • The mode of transport you use to seek asylum does not govern the legality of the process. People coming by boat to seek asylum IS NOT ILLEGAL. People overstaying visa costs us far more than people seeking asylum by boat, yet there is no mention of them. Less than 10% of asylum seekers come by boat and we condemn for fleeing horrendous conditions. 90% of people arriving by boat are deemed genuine refugees and the way ww treat them is appalling. How we can so easily dehumanize people is offensive.

                        Commenter
                        Bec
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:19PM
                    • Why do we broadcast news about alcohol related violence in Sydney, bikie violence on the Gold Coast, or gun deaths in Sydney? Why do we broadcast warnings about random breath testing units?

                      Really, Morrison's excuse that to tell us what he is doing would aid the people smugglers is so far removed from every other aspect of policing that he has a responsibility to justify it - not just assert it.

                      Commenter
                      Ross
                      Location
                      MALLABULA
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:37PM
                      • That is the issue. It is not policing. It is military led. So just like in other military led operation -- the generals at the coalface decide what is safe to release.

                        Are the committee accusing the military of collusion in something illegal. When the Generals say it is their opinion that certain information would endanger their troops are the Senate committee saying they are lying.

                        I don't remember a Senate committee screaming for minute by minute commentary from Afghanastan or Iraq.

                        Commenter
                        Marc
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:38PM
                    • Scott Morrison doesn't like blowing his own trumpet but if a Senate Inquiry forces him to then he will have to. He can tell SHY and other unrepresentative Senate swill that he is doing a great job stopping the boats and cleaning up Labor's mess on the high seas.

                      Commenter
                      Roger of Scoresby
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:36PM
                      • Uh Oh, to tell us that, he would have to leave the cone of silence, and he would have to tell us things that may not be true.

                        Commenter
                        Ross
                        Location
                        MALLABULA
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:14PM
                      • "Scott Morrison doesn't like blowing his own trumpet"

                        If that is the case, then Tony Abbott is Mother Teresa reincarnated.

                        Commenter
                        Whyalla Wipeout
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:16PM
                    • "Morrison argues that information on arrivals is released weekly."

                      What utter crap!

                      That blubbering crybaby Scott Morrison decided he couldn't handle facing the media over Christmas, and no longer fronts up to weekly Operation Sovereign Borders briefings.

                      Morrison stopped all weekly briefings in late December 2013.

                      Commenter
                      Tristan
                      Location
                      Melbourne
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:35PM
                      • If you think Morrison is a crybaby you are delusional.

                        You have obviously never met him.
                        You would review your thinking if you had.

                        Commenter
                        Marc
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:32PM
                    • This enquiry is a disgrace and a farce. Imagine the fools who created this border protection nightmare situation in 2007/8 by discarding what was working, and opening a lucrative business for people SMUGGLERS, now dare question the man who has overseen reversing the sham which Labor/ Greens created. Mt Morrison should have treated the Shamn Senate with the contempt they deserve, and walked out He would have been applauded by all intelligent Australians.

                      Commenter
                      Pistol Pete
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:32PM
                      • Intelligent Australians don't support this refugee hating regime, nor do we support secret Morrison and his lies and hidden facts. The boats have stopped due to they Monsoons and Typhoon seasons.

                        Commenter
                        Piesnchess
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 5:02PM
                    • After Stopping the Boats, vanquishing the Automobile Industry and crushing the ABC Tony Crackpott has now finally declared war on canned fruit. “I have nothing against any particular fruits” General Crackpott reportedly said, “but these two fruits in one can, even three fruits, mixed berries, you know how one thing leads to another, where will it all end? Some may think I’m a little old fashioned but I just think fruit salad is going too far.”
                      The General pointed out that Work for the Dole schemes are in place for the displaced produce and also that fruit that arrived from overseas any way other than by the legal channels, in particular dates, pomegranates or anything else Middle Eastern, would be dumped in PNG. And if people really feel the need for homegrown fruit General Crackpott preferred the idea of ‘Direct Action’ and thought people if they wanted a banana or a mango might just plant a tree in their own backyard.
                      “Orchards, this smacks of collectivization and unions. We don’t feel the need to subsidise trees. These trees need to learn to stand on their own two feet,” The General remarked to the ABC’s Leigh Sales, who after applauding the new policy as a great victory for the ‘home team’, inquired how many pears and strawberries would be retrained as marriage counselors in the “home team’s” newest job saving brainstorm. The General in response explained his vision for the future of the country this way, “You know Leigh I have nothing against pears, or strawberries either, but in this case I just have a preference for pineapples.”
                      After the interview the new theme song of the ABC was debuted. Sung by Tony Squires and entitled ‘Go the Home Team’ the tune appeared quite reminiscent of “Up there Cazaly”.

                      Commenter
                      GOV
                      Location
                      Sydney
                      Date and time
                      January 31, 2014, 4:30PM
                      • The Labor party and the Greens should be ashamed of their abuse of taxpayers funds with this committee hearing. You'd much rather spend money on unauthorized arrivals rather than having the money spent on building new aged care facilities or hospitals or creating new jobs. There is one thing that is certain and that is Labor, the Greens and its voters do not care about this country or making Australia better for all Australians, that is clear.

                        Commenter
                        Ramjet
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 4:27PM
                        • Ramjet,, um.. no

                          We care about the government being open and honest about what they are doing.

                          Would you be more comfortable in Nth Korea ?? Its all fun and sun there.. Just ask the government

                          Commenter
                          Roger
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:36PM
                        • Ramjet, the current Government is not doing any of those things or even talking about them; however, it is planning a massively expensive Royal Commission into the Unions in order to score a few points. Perhaps that money could be used elsewhere?

                          Commenter
                          jofek
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:44PM
                        • I don't think it has anything to do with, polemically, LN or ALP - more to the fact that Australians have a right to know and the secrecy only increases distrust with the government.

                          Commenter
                          Jump
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:45PM
                        • Ramjet,

                          If the Liberals are stopping the boats, why are they spending $1.9 billion on Liberal donor Toll Holdings tents plus countless billions on Serco, GS4 prison services, lifeboats, etc to detain asylum seekers indefinitely?

                          The Liberals didn't even have the guts to submit their core boats policy to the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) for independent costing.

                          Commenter
                          Tristan
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:53PM
                        • agree but do you have any solutions how to stop them using our money ?

                          Commenter
                          DEMOCRAT
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:58PM
                        • Um, yes, Roger, I am deeply ashamed - that such an nquiry should be required to elicit a few simple facts in an otherwise purported democracy.
                          How much cheaper it would be to close the camps, bring all to the mainland, speedily process claims and fly all unsuccessful applicants back to their state of origin - not Indonesia.
                          Or is that just too humane for you?

                          Commenter
                          Christopher
                          Location
                          Watershipdownunder
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 5:01PM
                        • Not as ashamed as Scott Morrison and Tony Abbott should be in standing against the interests of Australia by opposing the former governments attempts to stop the unauthorised boat arrivals until the very day they won power.

                          No less a person than the Lieutenant General Campbell has said that such behaviour supports the people smugglers.

                          Commenter
                          Whyalla Wipeout
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 5:19PM
                      • No boats for 43 days! Congratulations to the LNP

                        Commenter
                        ZSRenn
                        Location
                        Murray Bridge
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 4:21PM
                        • How do you know? Where's the evidence?

                          Commenter
                          Max Gross
                          Location
                          Sapphire Coast
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:35PM
                        • err, arr - no - if they had not arrived, we would not have been able to tow them back!

                          Commenter
                          Ross
                          Location
                          MALLABULA
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:42PM
                        • No boats what?

                          Commenter
                          Gorgon
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:46PM
                        • That can't be true!

                          The Greens and Labor assured us it couldn't be done - and they wouldn't lie, would they?

                          Commenter
                          Jack Richards
                          Location
                          Snowy Mountains
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:50PM
                        • It is still typhoon season. Seriously. Typhoon season. Natural weather deterrent, that both sides of politics admits lowers the arrivals.How some of you people believe the drivel the LNP serve up is actually mind blowing.

                          Commenter
                          bella
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:55PM
                        • Correction.

                          No reporting of boats by the Liberals for 43 days.

                          Or did you forget how Scott Morrison lied about there being no mid-ocean standoff between Australia and Indonesia.

                          Commenter
                          Tristan
                          Location
                          Melbourne
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:55PM
                      • "good or bad" week! The "goodies and the baddies" are back.

                        Commenter
                        LT Campball
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 4:20PM
                        • Did Obama make another speech to the UN again?

                          Commenter
                          J Walker
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:44PM
                      • If the Indonesian Navy is watching Sovereign Borders activities, aren't we leaking the information about our capabilities ?
                        Surely any other government with satellite capabilities could be watching and analysing.

                        Commenter
                        Bendou
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        January 31, 2014, 4:19PM
                          • Didn't you get the memo. Indonesia now has boats in the water looking for these boats of death. I would assume we are working more closely with Indonesia than we are being told.

                            Commenter
                            ZSRenn
                            Location
                            Murray Bridge
                            Date and time
                            January 31, 2014, 4:32PM
                          • They are watching from Mars and Venus, they're martians & venusians that are interested in what Tony Abbott is doing and which is effective in halting unauthorized arrivals.

                            Commenter
                            Ramjet
                            Date and time
                            January 31, 2014, 4:33PM
                        • 3:06pm: SHY and Carr et al havn't asked Dennis Richardson any questions because they are scared of him.

                          Commenter
                          William
                          Date and time
                          January 31, 2014, 4:15PM
                          • Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison and their secretive and embarrassing government is working against us all Aussies. We have had enough of this clown and his circus, it is high time Tony stepped down and let someone with intellect, humility, integrity and wisdom from Labor take over. There is absolutely no accountability, no democracy within the Abbott government, when ABC tries to bring some amount of accountability and democracy in, and Tony is crying wolf again and again!!

                            Commenter
                            FlowerGoddess
                            Location
                            Perth
                            Date and time
                            January 31, 2014, 4:12PM
                            • A senate committee having a hearing about the Government doing their job properly.

                              The left wing should be ashamed at their continual waste of taxpayers money. Insufficient hospitals and aged care, people losing their jobs. Labor & the Greens an utter disgrace.

                              Commenter
                              Ramjet
                              Date and time
                              January 31, 2014, 4:09PM
                              • How do you know they are doing their job properly ??

                                There certainly is a lack of transparency that Abbott told us there would be

                                But don't worry, I can see your on ""Team Australia" and this should never be questioned

                                Commenter
                                Roger
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:19PM
                              • Jobs? Holden: gone, 65,000 workers turfed onto the dole [http://www.afr.com/p/national/how_many_jobs_will_australia_after_mzo7oq8r5A411VZmX49dNO]. SPC: gone, 1500 direct and 2700 indirect jobs lost [http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/21160974/govt-gives-tin-ear-to-spc-assistance-plea/]. Nationwide: 30,000 full-time jobs in the last month [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-17/employment-agencies-see-despair-as-job-seekers-lose-hope/5205182]. Well done, Phony Abbott!

                                Commenter
                                Max Gross
                                Location
                                Sapphire Coast
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:26PM
                              • Oh yes ramjet - democracy is a waste of money - censorship is so cheap!

                                Commenter
                                Ross
                                Location
                                MALLABULA
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:29PM
                              • Well you see Ramjet, I for one as an Australian, strongly suspect that the Australian government is NOT doing it's job- if they were they would be more than happy to tell us.
                                Under the Australian constitution they are accountable for their actions. They are subject to our laws. That means they have to justify what they do in our name.
                                We are NOT at war, make no mistake this is deliberate obfuscation.

                                Commenter
                                Coastal Kate
                                Location
                                Central Coast
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:46PM
                              • Hah Ramjet,

                                That hypocrite Tony "job snobs" Abbott has criticised the ABC for being "unAustralian" while Immigration Minister Scott Morrison imports between 190,000 and 220,000 guest workers this year alone, and without requiring employers to advertise vacancies to unemployed and underemployed Australians.

                                Morrison has also been silent about the oil rig workers exploited on 456 visas and only paid $3 per hour.

                                Commenter
                                Tristan
                                Location
                                Melbourne
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:49PM
                              • Rant all you want Ramjet, but there are some apolitical people in Australia who actually care about doing the right thing - and when armed with the right information, then they can make a fully informed choice whether or not they support this government"s stance.

                                Commenter
                                Jump
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:54PM
                              • Ramjet the day your LNP mob cares about aged care, hospitals, disabled, health care, will be a cold day in hell. Open your LNP eyes, Abbott even loathes disabled, only cares for wealthy MIners and Big end of Town.

                                Commenter
                                Piesnchess
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 5:05PM
                            • What is this newly coined "Public Interest Immunity?"

                              We have never had this term in all our past Democratic Governments.

                              Any Governments that wants and deserves credibility and approbation for its policies should never ever hide anything under the skirt of secrecy; and show any lack of transparencies using any sort of excuses, especially from this "No Excuses" Government.

                              Truthfulness once sieved by unilateral choice loses all credibility.

                              In the name of decency, let's have what are hidden from us.

                              In modern democratic law enforcements, the use of closed circuit cameras is the call for the day if we are decent and have nothing to hide.

                              .

                              Commenter
                              Public Opinion
                              Date and time
                              January 31, 2014, 3:53PM
                              • It's the latest three word slogan.

                                Commenter
                                A country gal
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 4:06PM
                            • Question for General Campbell,
                              We are not doubting Australian sovereignty over Australian waters, and Naval interception of vessels within those waters, but by what legal right does the Australian Navy tow or force vessels through international water and into Indonesian waters?
                              Followup question (assuming some justification due to "breaking Aus law") : Does this not apply to intercepting Japanese Whaling Vessels?

                              Commenter
                              Pat
                              Location
                              Melbourne
                              Date and time
                              January 31, 2014, 3:51PM
                                • hi Pat - an excellent question. Australia is obviously breaking Indonesian law when it enters Indonesian waters for nefarious activities - why is it not breaking International Law when it boards and hijacks foreign vessels going about their lawful navigation?

                                  Commenter
                                  Ross
                                  Location
                                  MALLABULA
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:10PM
                                • Quite simple really Pat,
                                  I don't suggest this is done for People Smuggling boats, but is really boils down to legal maritime rights.
                                  As this is an international border it is basically the same as crossing our airspace or onto our land, ergo
                                  Any vessel in our waters;
                                  1) Has no right to be there without our express permission
                                  2) If asked to leave must
                                  3) If not following the order to leave, we have rights to facilitate them leaving, or begin defending our waters (shooting at them basically)

                                  PS The Japanese whaling fleet does not enter Australian Territorial Waters, they go around it, the area's they whale are not technically our Waters.

                                  Commenter
                                  The Rock Says
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:12PM
                                • In fact, though the navy has jurisdiction in Australian waters, it is hard do know what law these vessels are breaking - for it is not illegal to transport anyone to any border.

                                  Commenter
                                  Ross
                                  Location
                                  MALLABULA
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:14PM
                                • hi the rock says - but that jurisdiction ends at our 12 nautical mile limit. We don't have the authority to tow them a centimetre past that border.

                                  Commenter
                                  Ross
                                  Location
                                  MALLABULA
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:17PM
                                • Thankyou for the question, but due to "Public Interest Immunity" I am not at liberty to admit our acts of piracy and breach of international maritime laws.
                                  As for the whales also due to "Public Interest immunity" The most I can tell you is that Japan is our best friend.
                                  Next question please, to which I'll hypothecate on.

                                  Commenter
                                  LT Campball
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:19PM
                                • Ross,
                                  There is a region in between Aus & Ind that is International waters, hence you don't actually go straight into Indon waters when you leave ours.
                                  And without Visa's or Relevant Travel Plans (just like if you get off a plane and can't explain your plans), once a Boat enters our waters, technically they shouldn't be there, and can be asked / made to leave.
                                  I'm talking Maritime Law, not how I think it should be done, but lets first get the facts straight.
                                  Bottom line is we should have a much higher intake 30,000 potentially of refugees and we should collect them from Global Refugee camps.
                                  We should not however allow this boat trade to continue.

                                  Commenter
                                  The Rock Says
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:27PM
                                • the rock says - "There is a region in between Aus & Ind that is International waters, hence you don't actually go straight into Indon waters when you leave ours."

                                  hi - that is exactly what I have been trying to explain to you - we don't have any jurisdiction in International Waters.

                                  I agree that we should increase our intake, but why discriminate against those who come here? Those we would take from overseas have also travelled on false papers and crossed borders without permission.

                                  Commenter
                                  Ross
                                  Location
                                  MALLABULA
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:45PM
                                • Dr Ross QC. Thanks for your legal interpretation and advice. It's good to know we have people who can offer this advice for free, as it normally would cost a fortune to obtain.

                                  Commenter
                                  the BUjoo
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 5:07PM
                              • I may be, to quote Prince George in Blackadder, as thick as a whale sandwich, but for the life of me I can't see the logic. Why the secrecy? How is the Australian Government (indirecetly) telling people traffickers that their boats are being turned back any benefit to them?. Indeed, how does it tell them anything they don't already know? I assume people traffickers have mobile phones, and talk to each other.

                                What our navy is doing 'on the water' isn't exactly secret from the people traffickers because it's being done to them! But, perversely, it is secret from the Australian people, in whose name it's being done.

                                Just doesn't make sense, and actually fuels the perception that things are not going well with Operation Sovereign Borders (what a name! Give me strength!).

                                Commenter
                                Gigandas
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 3:45PM
                                • I think the real reason for the secrecy is to prevent the Australian media from gleefully rubbing the Indonesia's collective nose on every boat turn-back. I think SBY warned Abbott that if that were to happen it would guarantee the election of a hardline anti-Australian Indon government come April.

                                  Commenter
                                  Lewis
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:57PM
                                • The Iron Curtain is in place but the stench drifts over. If this "boats" panto really was a success don't you think Abbott and Morrison would be proclaiming the evidence throughout the Limited News craposphere? But no, it's a secret!

                                  Commenter
                                  Max Gross
                                  Location
                                  Sapphire Coast
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:57PM
                                • What "Just doesn't make sense" is to tell us that we are a DEMOCRACY.
                                  Where the bloody hell are the people in our so-called democratic society?
                                  Why do we have to watch, listen to all of this garbage ?
                                  A democracy is where a nation is ruled by its people, rather than one person or some organisations like a political party who gets into power using lies and then doesn't listen to public opinion.
                                  Direct democracy is a way to check political power and raises issues that others may want to hide.
                                  Are against that?

                                  Commenter
                                  half
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:58PM
                                • "Things are not going going well", "not exactly secret" you assert, so why are we having this committee hearing? This is a waste of time & a waste of taxpayer funds. If things are "not going well" how is it that there have been no deaths at sea since Tony Abbott was elected and how many were there under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd. The left wing would love to see Tony Abbott and his Government fail at all costs even at the expense of human lives. Your comment is a "featured" comment you must be so impressed,

                                  Commenter
                                  Ramjet
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:05PM
                                • Gigandas, you have a fine grasp of the situation and should move immediately into the lodge! Well done!!

                                  Commenter
                                  Tracey
                                  Location
                                  Frankston South
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:13PM
                                • Ramjet, mate, read the article more closely. I said Morrison's secrecy simply fuels the perception that things must be going wrong- I've got no idea (and neither do you, I might add) whether things are going well or badly. And that's the point I'm making. The secrecy is a flawed policy because it is counterproductive. If you want to reduce it to the Cold War thinking left and right (and haven't we grown beyond that?), the right wingnut cheerleaders will applaud every bloodless non-announcement and assume things are going swimmingly, the trendy lefty latte sippers will howl in indignation, but the majority who aren't blind followers of a party or an ideology and who just want: 1. it all to stop; and 2. to know what's going on; will have their quite reasonable cynicism about the political process confirmed.

                                  Hope that's clearer.

                                  Commenter
                                  Gigandas
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:23PM
                                • Why should they say, it helps no-one to know

                                  Commenter
                                  Greggy
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:25PM
                                • What are you going to do with the information if you get a lat and long for where the boats were found. Go on Google earth and look at the spot on the sea that was taken maybe 2 years ago? I'm sorry but to the north of Australia somewhere between Indonesia and Australia is good enough for me!

                                  Commenter
                                  ZSRenn
                                  Location
                                  Murray Bridge
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:28PM
                                • ramjet - "ow is it that there have been no deaths at sea since Tony Abbott was elected and how many were there under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd.

                                  hi ramjet - we don't know whether there have been any deaths at sea, unless they have told you something that they have not told the rest of us.

                                  Commenter
                                  Ross
                                  Location
                                  MALLABULA
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:31PM
                                • Yes you are, so I shan't bother explaining it to you. I really don't have the time.

                                  Commenter
                                  William
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:59PM
                              • Sarah Hanson Young wants a TV show called 'Border Security Unauthorized Arrivals', she wants to watch on television what goes on so she can call the people smugglers. Thanks for the laugh, hilarious.

                                Commenter
                                Dick Tracy
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 3:43PM
                                • Instead, Dick, we have a show called Where's Tony?, followed by My Credlin Rules and Dancing With the General.

                                  Commenter
                                  Max Gross
                                  Location
                                  Sapphire Coast
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 4:07PM
                              • The scary bit is that we voted for all of these jokers. What does that say about the Australian psyche? Are the elected politicians a dry Australian humour coming to the fore, or an attempt at non-physical S&M?

                                Commenter
                                Bob
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                January 31, 2014, 3:43PM
                                • Some good photos here but they are almost exclusively of men! There's talk of Senator Hanson-Young being present but I can't find a photo of her here?

                                  Commenter
                                  Bennopia
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:40PM
                                  • We can be thankful for those small mercies.

                                    Commenter
                                    Nulla
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:01PM
                                • Morrison is a pathetic excuse for a human, as is Abbott

                                  Just come out and tell us taxpayers what they are doing. The secrecy they insist on reminds me of Nth Korea. They are happy to spruck "no boats in January" but refuse to answer anything bad.

                                  But what did you expect form Abbott and co

                                  Commenter
                                  Roger
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:40PM
                                  • You'd prefer people dying at sea, wouldn't you. Who is "pathetic"? Indeed.

                                    Commenter
                                    Ramjet
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:49PM
                                  • They are stopping the boats. what is it that you don't understand? Were you happy that 1200 people died after labor relaxed the laws? Do you want the deaths to continue? Maybe get the leftie chip off you shoulder and you might be balanced enough to understand.

                                    Commenter
                                    Pragmatic prince
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:52PM
                                  • No pragmatic prince, they have not STOPPED the boats. They have turned back a few (the ones we know about). The boat numbers had already dwindled due to the previous government's action of reopening Manus and Nauru plus the monsoon season. Let's see what happens in a few months time after monsoon season. There's too much money involved for people smugglers and their cohorts to shut up shop.

                                    Commenter
                                    stevek
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:16PM
                                  • Ramjet January 31, 2014, 3:49PM I guess that's why the Abbotteers were gleefully opposed to any and every Labor initiative to address the issue. Where were Morrison's hush-hush. "on-water", "operational" weasel words then! By Crikey, he was bellowing the news of every boat arrival like Moses on the mount!

                                    Commenter
                                    Max Gross
                                    Location
                                    Sapphire Coast
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:32PM
                                  • @Roger.........OMG you lot are so boring. The LNP Policy is obviously working so well it has got the Greenies and the ALP in an absolute lather. What Rudd and Gillard could not do in six years, Abbott has easily done in 4 months. Get over it !!!!

                                    Commenter
                                    Larry
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:33PM
                                • That explains a fair bit. SHY keeps up with current trends by watching reality TV shows.

                                  Perhaps her next inspiration might be to go after the live cattle trade again based on comments on "Farmer want a wife".

                                  Or she might quote "The Block" in arguing that the CFMEU shouldn't be subject to an investigation.

                                  Commenter
                                  Hacka
                                  Location
                                  Canberra
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:39PM
                                  • ho ho ho hacka - and that from a supporter of a party that believes that we are at war with people smugglers.

                                    Commenter
                                    Ross
                                    Location
                                    MALLABULA
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:58PM
                                  • Ross, should we be at war with Syria?

                                    Commenter
                                    enough is enough
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:13PM
                                  • Well Ross, we're not at war with budgie smugglers.

                                    Commenter
                                    Hacka
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 4:42PM
                                • Mr Morrison, Has any information contained within the documents (not being released to the senate) been released to any non government entities. Intentionally or unintentionally ?

                                  Commenter
                                  Bendou
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  January 31, 2014, 3:38PM
                                  • Sarah Hanson-Young - What conceited arrogance. The fluttering eyelids and the pompous school girl attitude is a vacuous display of self importance in the extreme. What a crashing bore she is.

                                    Commenter
                                    Larry
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:33PM
                                    • sorry what exactly does such a personal attack on her have to do with anything, other than to make yourself feel superior, i mean?

                                      Commenter
                                      blakeavon
                                      Date and time
                                      January 31, 2014, 3:58PM
                                  • Kim KIm - It's all right - you don't need to perform in the pantomime anymore - Jools & Ruddy are gone now - you don't have act out to preserve your position mate. Wait - what am I saying - the Pieman is still around - Kim Kim - keep shouting keep shouting....

                                    Commenter
                                    Smack
                                    Location
                                    City of the Fallen
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:30PM
                                    • Smack - yep he's more fired up today than the day Jules tapped him on the shoulder.

                                      Maybe he's a bit frustrated this week seeing the Coalition stop all those industry handouts.

                                      Commenter
                                      Hacka
                                      Location
                                      Canberra
                                      Date and time
                                      January 31, 2014, 3:54PM
                                  • The lack of transparency here is only the beginning. They need to tell the truth and not hide from the facts. What Tony Abbott and Morrison is doing is treason. If you name a few leaders who use this kind of smoke screen they would be like Hitler. Stop parading like a jock Abbot show some balls and tell the truth. It's a great story to the would be smugglers that you are finding them all and sending them back. Bloody unaustralian !!

                                    Commenter
                                    King Arthur
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:28PM
                                    • No, treason is what the ABC & Mark Scott did with stolen information from Edward Snowden that had potential to cause conflict with Indonesia. Do you condone stealing confidential information from an employer?

                                      Commenter
                                      Equaliser
                                      Date and time
                                      January 31, 2014, 3:52PM
                                  • Now Sarah Hanson Young is talking about television shows-"Border Security". Oh yes, what a great representative of the Australian people she is, this is laughable. This is where your taxpayers dollars go. What an utter abuse & waste of money this is.

                                    Commenter
                                    Fluid man
                                    Date and time
                                    January 31, 2014, 3:28PM
                                    • Sarah Hanson Young very best friend of the people smugglers.

                                      Commenter
                                      McCool
                                      Date and time
                                      January 31, 2014, 3:25PM
                                      • Morrisson calls himself a "welcome guest". He seems more like an unwelcome gatecrasher who wants to make sure his lackeys don't spill the beans.

                                        Commenter
                                        picnic
                                        Date and time
                                        January 31, 2014, 3:24PM
                                        • Switzerland is the only country in Europe that practices direct democracy: citizens get to vote on important changes to the constitution, rather than leaving it up to the politicians and government. What’s more, citizens can even propose constitutional amendments themselves, which are then voted on by the rest of the country.
                                          Direct democracy is a way to check political power. It allows benevolent and enlightened citizens to oppose laws made by phony servants of the people.
                                          Direct democracy would stimulate government to do the job it was elected to do .....and not to impose what the people ought to have as it is under our fake democracy in which the people are irrelevant.
                                          At least the Swiss people have decided under the people referendum no paper back home.... bad criminal record revoke their Swiss nationality and adios.
                                          NO DO-GOODERS POLICIES.
                                          What's wrong with that?

                                          Commenter
                                          DEMOCRACY
                                          Location
                                          Sysdnet
                                          Date and time
                                          January 31, 2014, 3:24PM
                                            • Do you know how difficult it is to get citizenship in Switzerland? Do you know they import labour from Africa and when they are done they deport them. No arguments, the police just come in, arrest the migrant workers and they ship them out. Would you prefer Australia took that approach?

                                              Commenter
                                              Pragmatic prince
                                              Date and time
                                              January 31, 2014, 4:12PM
                                            • Hmm, "no-do-gooder" policy infers a "do-badder" policy. Is that what you want? Do bad rather than good?

                                              Commenter
                                              Max Gross
                                              Location
                                              Sapphire Coast
                                              Date and time
                                              January 31, 2014, 4:53PM
                                            • Do you have any documents to prove it?

                                              Commenter
                                              DEMOCRAT
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              January 31, 2014, 4:56PM
                                          • Labor and their little Green friends are a disgrace. They failed in power (50,000 unauthorised arrivals, up to 2,000 dead, billions in extra cost). They covered up their failure with excuses and fabrications (assisted by their media pals at Fairfax and the ABC of course). And now they’re trying to sabotage the people who are tasked with restoring normality. It’s a joke that Scott Morrison has to front up to receive abuse from a hack like Kim Carr or mischievous questions from SYH, the child Senator.

                                            Commenter
                                            Molotov
                                            Location
                                            Melbourne
                                            Date and time
                                            January 31, 2014, 3:21PM
                                            • Point 1: I actually agree with Morrison that asylum seekers should be discouraged from giving crooks their life savings and getting on rickety boats, risking their lives and those of their children. But Morrison makes my flesh crawl, he's just so nasty, always angry and indignant, no empathy whatsoever, and he really seems to be enjoying himself (while people are suffering). Point 2 : So sick of the way Morrison and others wank on about how difficult and dangerous this job is, that it's a 'war' (!), how we should all be proud of the Navy, etc. etc. Dangerous?! If an occasional interaction with small numbers of unarmed civilians, many of them women and children, is dangerous, then what is active service in Afghanistan? Turning around civilian watercraft from time to time is about the cushiest assignment you could ever get and still claim to be on 'active service'! The only 'danger' to ADF personnel would be the psychological damage they might suffer from having to carry out cruel policies that they may not agree with.
                                              Point 3: Yes, the boats have slowed to a trickle, but that had ALREADY HAPPENED under Labor! Rudd's PNG 'solution' broke the back of the people smuggling trade and boat arrivals were down 80% or something in the last couple of months of the Rudd government. So all Morrison is doing is mopping up the stragglers. Yet he struts around as if he solved the problem all by himself...

                                              Commenter
                                              Montague H. Rosenthal
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              January 31, 2014, 3:16PM
                                              • Well I don't think Campbell will earn another "stripe" for his performance today at
                                                "Operation Committee" by the committee but no doubt Aboat thinks his deflection and lack of transparency is commendable.

                                                Commenter
                                                A country gal
                                                Date and time
                                                January 31, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                • So no boats have "arrived" as in been placed into Australian Immigration Detention but Morrison isn't saying how many have "come". So either no boats have come (which we know to be untrue), or a) boats are still sinking (possible but not known), b) boats are being turned back (probable and we're encroaching on Indonesian territory) or c) we're actually putting all arrivals onto a ship mid-ocean and sending to Nauru / Manus (something that's been previously talked about).

                                                  Commenter
                                                  RobE
                                                  Location
                                                  Sydney
                                                  Date and time
                                                  January 31, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                  • Animal farm anyone? Security over what?

                                                    Commenter
                                                    ray pace
                                                    Location
                                                    narrabeen
                                                    Date and time
                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:13PM
                                                    • Memo Scott Morrison and Tony Abbott:

                                                      We're the Public.

                                                      WE'LL decide what information is in the "Public Interest"; and the manner in which we receive it!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Interested
                                                      Location
                                                      Public
                                                      Date and time
                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:11PM
                                                      • For those of you blaming the monsoon season for the lack of boats ... this article from same time last year

                                                        http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/biggest_boat_so_far_this_year/

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Doc
                                                        Date and time
                                                        January 31, 2014, 3:07PM
                                                        • Don't give the Fairfax Readership Collective facts Doc, it upsets them

                                                          Commenter
                                                          William
                                                          Date and time
                                                          January 31, 2014, 5:05PM
                                                      • Any truth to the notion that the Lieutenant-General attended the Senate Inquiry to make Minister Morrison look comparatively alive?

                                                        Blood samples should be taken at the door to ensure we are not dealing with hollow-brained zombies.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                        Date and time
                                                        January 31, 2014, 3:06PM
                                                        • Every time Sarah Hanson -Young opens her mouth the Green minority takes a further step backwards.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Garry of Melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          January 31, 2014, 3:05PM
                                                          • Scott Morrison is my hero. I generally don't like politicians Liberal or Labor and especially Greens. He is implementing policy that the electorate wanted. I'm sick of hearing about these whiny illegal immigrants. They already have a safe haven in Indonesia. I'm sick of all the services these illegals are provided with and yet I who lives only 72 km from Melbourne must travel 50 km to the nearest emergency hospital because services have been taken away. I'm sick of my standard of living being reduced by these people who are breaking Australian laws. If anything I would want more harsher treatment of these criminals. You are doing a fantastic job Scott Morrison thanks for protecting our borders and keeping us safer.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tomster
                                                            Location
                                                            Rural Victoria
                                                            Date and time
                                                            January 31, 2014, 3:05PM
                                                            • The Senate Committee cannot compel Morrison to reveal anything because he is from the other house…..

                                                              Commenter
                                                              No point to this
                                                              Date and time
                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:58PM
                                                              • SHY is a disgrace. She represents a very small proportion of voters and is acting like she is PM. I agree with others that this inquiry would be more productive uncovering corruption in unions rather than trying to second guess our military who are doing their job admirably. Let the government govern.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                let it be
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                • Indeed. SHY and the rest of the greenies undermine Australia. Disgusting.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Labor-pains
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  January 31, 2014, 3:52PM
                                                              • If this country ever gets a left wing Government again watch the drownings start again and watch this country become swamped with unauthorized arrivals.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Ramjet
                                                                Date and time
                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                • The moment asylum seekers are referred to as 'illegal immigrants' I stop listening. After all, if the fundamental basis of what is being said is based on an utter lie, what's the point? What a pathetic excuse for leadership.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  schloss
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:54PM
                                                                  • This farce of a senate inquiry is like a an Agatha Christie who done who and why, set with a trail of secrecy and intrigue, with Sarah Hanson Young playing the dumb ass detective.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Garry of Melbourne
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:54PM
                                                                    • Mr Scott Morrison, having a redaction moment under pressure from redactional fatique. Was unreadable the new term for ‘unbelievable’? BUT then refusing to say how many boats have entered the Australian water DOES NOT amount to contempt. This is a useless exercise achieving NIL-ZERO- outcome.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Miss Karma
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                                      • BillR, because those 60 000 leave again, and arrive with documentation. Most overstay because they are having such a lovely time in our beautiful country. Earning some dodgy pay etc to extend their time here. they also get a debt to the commonwealth they have to pay if ever returning. They arrive lawfully, and depart " late". But don't let that stop you conflating two totally separate issues to try in vain to make a cohesive argument.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Canberra
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Canberra
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:51PM
                                                                        • God just watched 15min of daft questions on if there was a list of the documents. We pay these people, pathetic.
                                                                          Looking forward to the Royal Commission into the unions. Perhaps senator Carr and his mate might not have such a big smirk on their face during those procedures.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          J Walker
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:48PM
                                                                          • J. Walker - Senator Carr would be as eager to prosecute criminals in the union movement as he would criminals in the Boardroom, and as he is trying to punish criminals in the cabinet.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Ross
                                                                            Location
                                                                            MALLABULA
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 3:22PM
                                                                          • I want a Royal Commission into IPA links to the Liberal Party.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Max Gross
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Sapphire Coast
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 3:31PM
                                                                          • Max Gross,
                                                                            Would you also support a Royal Commision into Get Up links to ALP?
                                                                            Come on mate, grow up, this tit for tat is very unbecoming.

                                                                            The IPA & Get Up are both Think Tanks / Lobby Groups, if you detest one, you also detest the other, else you are a hypocrit.

                                                                            That's the problem in this country, People think Left or Right, then ignore all the Bad stuff about their own choice and never recognise any good done by the other side.

                                                                            It is very childish.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            The Rock Says
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Sydney
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 4:02PM
                                                                          • Ross I'm sure Carr will be very willing to open up all the dealings with the union and Holden he was in the middle of.

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            J Walker
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 4:46PM
                                                                        • Just switching off. Bored. Disgraceful prevarication by Minister and team disrespecting Senate Right of oversight. Poor performance from floor to stonewalling. Scarily shrill voices of outrage from forum towards Greens. When will these arrogant people learn they do NOT have a monopoly on patriotism.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          andyinqueensland
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:47PM
                                                                          • this whole committee is a waste of taxpayers money it is there is so much BS from Greens ALP there reasons that information is kept from the public and I agree this whole thing by the Greens and the ALP is a witch hunt nothing more

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            den
                                                                            Location
                                                                            NSW
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:46PM
                                                                            • We heard you the first time!
                                                                              Denny.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:51PM
                                                                            • if there is a reason why THIS info is keep from the public why then when they were in opposition, did they openly and loudly keep releasing information it to attempt to shame Labor?!!! there reason is flawed. This government just thinks they are above the law and justification. Hence the backlash against ABC because they are brave enough to say "hang on sec"

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              blakeavon
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:56PM
                                                                            • Picture @ 1.37 - By the time this is over Scotty won't need to hold the old specs on his nose anymore, they'll sit very nicely.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              tasch2
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Mornington Peninsula
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:59PM
                                                                            • I'm the public, I don't see why the public servants I pay should be allowed to keep it a secret how we treat (or mistreat) asylum seekers

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              marktlog
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:33PM
                                                                            • Really? I thought you had ditched the witch? Surely now this is a warlock-hunt?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Max_Gross
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sapphire Coast
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:41PM
                                                                            • this whole committee is a waste of taxpayers money

                                                                              How can you stop it under our current system in which we are irrelevant?

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              half
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Sydney
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:46PM
                                                                          • This is unbelievable!
                                                                            Abbot & Morrison's Patriot Act v2.0

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Phil
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Rozelle
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:45PM
                                                                            • Go Kim,
                                                                              Morrison lies, watch his nose grow by the minute.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              A country gal
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                              • Who was it that abandoned Howard's policy that let the boats keep coming in their thousands? 50,000+ to be precise. Your Labor Govt. Who was it that caused people to die at sea through abandoning Howard's policy? Your Labor Govt. Indeed.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Ramjet
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                January 31, 2014, 3:00PM
                                                                              • The ABC has jumped on the asylum seeker allegations but never never mentioned this article by Pulitzer winner journalist Seymour Hersh regarding Syria (would probably upset their agenda):
                                                                                "The American media has blacked out an account by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh demonstrating that President Barack Obama and the US government lied when they claimed to have proof that the Syrian government carried out a sarin gas attack last August on areas near Damascus held by US-backed “rebels.” (http://rt.com/news/us-syria-sarin-report-932/)

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Peter Schmidt
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                January 31, 2014, 3:10PM
                                                                            • this whole committee is a waste of taxpayers money it is there is so much BS from Greens ALP there reasons that information is kept from the public and I agree this whole thing by the Greens and the ALP is a witch hunt nothing more

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              den
                                                                              Location
                                                                              NSW
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                              • The sooner we get rid of these Green Party environmental terrorists the better. Maybe we can 'transfer' them to Indonesia. Bet they would be happy there!

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                AG
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                                • Why are they environmental terrorists? I don't vote for the greens but I'm very glad that so many people get up in the morning and try their best for the environment. We all depend on it. Why would they like to be in Indonesia any more or less than you would?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  marktlog
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 3:31PM
                                                                                • It will only happen under a direct democracy or a Citizens Initiated Referendum a la Pauline Hanson.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  half
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 3:44PM
                                                                              • this whole committee is a waste of taxpayers money it is there is so much BS from Greens ALP there reasons that information is kept from the public and I agree

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                den
                                                                                Location
                                                                                NSW
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:40PM
                                                                                • Senator Carr is going to pop a blood vessel, such a shame that things aren't panning out the way Labor or the Greens want it to.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Equaliser
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:40PM
                                                                                  • Watching Sarah Hanson-Young was an ordeal in itself. I had no idea what she was trying to say and I don't think anybody else did either.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    nemises
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    weston
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                                                    • No - conservatives understand very little.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Ross
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      MALLABULA
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:31PM
                                                                                    • Read less Limited News and your comprehension may recover

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Max_Gross
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sapphire Coast
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:49PM
                                                                                    • She's never made any sense to herself, let alone anyone else. All she did was prove, once again, what an inept fool she is.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Jack Richards
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Snowy Mountains
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 4:38PM
                                                                                    • It was the skirting of answers that was the problem.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Greenie
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 5:02PM
                                                                                  • Joe "turn back the cattle" Ludwig wants more information, but seems to forget that last year a simple Four Corners episode was quite sufficient for him to base big decisions on.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                                                    • "turn back the cattle joe ludwig "
                                                                                      hahaha
                                                                                      good one !

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Lol
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:16PM
                                                                                    • Ludwig should be pushed out of Parliament over the overnight live cattle ban .I hope voters remember the turmoil he created at the next Senate election.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Blow Joe
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 4:34PM
                                                                                  • Watching the Senate inquiry it is becoming obvious that both Labor and Greens are not interested in the best for the country but are hell bent on proving that there were/are some breaches of some unspecified conventions which then can be used to dismantle the successfully working boarder protection. What a bunch of rubble the left is!! Stay firm Mr Morrison - Australians in the great majority are fully supporting your actions.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Ted
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                                                    • both Labor and Greens are not interested in the best for the country

                                                                                      Do you have a better solution that the Pauline Hanson's Citizens Initiated Referendum ?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      half
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sydney
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                                                    • Ted, that means that Labor and the Greens have our interests in mind and Morrison does not.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Ross
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      MALLABULA
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:50PM
                                                                                  • Sarah Hanson-Young would prefer that old boats that are borderline sea worthy continue coming to Australia so people can potentially die at sea so then she can get up and shout that 'Tony Abbott failed', 'Tony Abbott failed', this is her only motivation to see the Government fail, how surprising. What a waste of money this committee is, a total abuse of taxpayers money.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Equaliser
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:34PM
                                                                                    • Equaliser do you have inside information denied to everyone else? No deaths at sea -how do you know? How many boats have arrived ? Do you know.? How many boats have been turned back ? Morrison refuses to tell us. The fact that boats have been turned back suggests that boats have arrived. After the monsoon season? After our naval vessels stop patrolling? When things are being done in my name I want to know and have a right to know.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Dovis
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:47PM
                                                                                  • The gift that keeps on going Senator SHJ. Maybe if she stamped her feet? And PNG is a Coalition policy that Labor were dragged kicking and screaming to, so as o try and save some seats. Let's no re-invent history. The Malaysia solution was stupid, 800 for thousands and ended up costing the previous secretary his job. I think you'll find it had little support in immigration.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:32PM
                                                                                    • Ask Morrison how much Operation Hush-Hush-Daddy-Knows-Best is costing Australian taxpayers. Or is that too an "on-water" matter?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Max_Gross
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Sapphire Coast
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:43PM
                                                                                  • There's a lot of angry men commenting here isn't there. SHY this SHY that the off inexplicable word IN all CAPS. Get out and get a life boys.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Rob
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:29PM
                                                                                    • Rob - calm down, this is a comments section, nothing more

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Genghis
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Lounge
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                                                    • Rob - just wanted to clarify
                                                                                      IN all CAPS
                                                                                      or IN ALL CAPS

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Genghis
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Lounge
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                                    • you mean like this one ??

                                                                                      "Nevertheless, the harder this government tries to batten down the hatches, the more vicious will they appear, as the natural instinct in a healthy democracy is to FIND OUT what is going on."

                                                                                      CommenterHans von SchlappenplankerLocationDate and timeJanuary 31, 2014, 1:41PM

                                                                                      Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-scott-morrison-and-top-brass-face-senate-inquiry-20140131-31rc6.html#ixzz2rweYtFew

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Mungo Man
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Here First
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                                    • The girl card once again. Australian's of both sexes simply want some common sense. SHY is clearly biased and it's sickening to watch. Being female has nothing to do with it. I'll be glad when she is just a bad memory

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      nemises
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      corio
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:17PM
                                                                                  • this whole committee is a waste of taxpayers money it is there is so much BS from Greens ALP there reasons that information is kept from the public and I agree

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    den
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    NSW
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:28PM
                                                                                    • Afternoon tea, will they be just as obfuscating when asked how many augers they'd like in their tea?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      A country gal
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:23PM
                                                                                      • Scott Morrison has more secrecy than ASIO has. How is that possible?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        The Visionless Quarter
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:23PM
                                                                                        • Now how many drownings is it that have occurred under the Liberal Government, and how many occurred under the previous Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Govt. I look forward to Sarah Hansen Young talking about this very important piece of information. What an utter disgrace.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Equaliser
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:22PM
                                                                                          • The people smugglers and their criminal organisations are cheering for SHY.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            JM
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:22PM
                                                                                            • And so is every Australian who is in favour of human rights and against censorship.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Ross
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              MALLABULA
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:44PM
                                                                                            • Not sure what's so humanitarian in allowing people to pay criminal organisations and taking a dangerous journey across the ocean. And once granted asylum they leave someone else stranded in some hopeless camp in some 3rd world country who didnt have the $10k to pay for the journey.

                                                                                              People smugglers are just like drug dealers, praying on the vulnerable. And the proceeds fuel more shady businesses like prostitution. How the left can be okay with it all is beyond rational explanation.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              JM
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:56PM
                                                                                            • hi JM - every person who has escaped their country of origin has paid people to help them, be they taxi drivers, people smugglers, service station proprietors - and they come without being invited and without proper documents.

                                                                                              Don't see what is humanitarian about stopping them coming.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Ross
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              MALLABULA
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 5:17PM
                                                                                          • Yes it is unusual for a Lower House (Reps) member to appear before a Senate Committee. The only reason Morrison is appearing is to jump in with his version of smoke and mirrors when the questions get a bit tough for the General. He has to control the situation. After all we don't want the General being forced to blurt out the truth now do we.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            GrahamF
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:21PM
                                                                                            • Pity the tin soldier, his reputation now tainted, standing mute and knee deep in the rotten tripe gushing from Morrison's mouth. Never mind, one day he may be rewarded with the G-G's post.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Max_Gross
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sapphire Coast
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:46PM
                                                                                          • One of the sailors who boarded the vessel had a camera.

                                                                                            Let's see the footage so the navy can clear its name of wrongdoing.

                                                                                            It's also a bit sad how the navy had to resort to Twitter to deny allegations made against them, because Scott Morrison would not allow them to address the media at an official press conference.

                                                                                            Those 2 crybabies Tony 'Everybody's picking on me' Abbott and Morrison with their trembling bottom lips ran to Alan Jones owned 2GB radio's Uncle Ray (Hadley) to give their unchallenged version of events, but they can't bring themselves to face hard interview questions from Walkley award winning journalists.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Tristan
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:21PM
                                                                                            • Who votes on the "Walkley Awards"?. Really thanks for the laugh. You want more people to die at sea, because that is what you are advocating. It must be terribly difficult to see Tony's policies succeeding. Oh dear, I need a tablet and a good lie down because I just can't take this anymore.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Days of our lives
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                                                            • Days Of Our Lives,

                                                                                              Well, I can tell you who doesn't get to vote on the Walkley awards.

                                                                                              Ignorant people like you who watch Today Tonight and A Current Affair and listen to 2GB radio and read The Daily Telegraph for "news and information".

                                                                                              As for the Liberals saving lives, here's the channel 10 news You Tube footage of that craven coward Tony Abbott and his entourage running away from the media on Grand Final day in Sep 2013 after news that an asylum seeker boat had sunk after Australian authorities ignored its distress call for 26 hours.

                                                                                              Jump to frame 00:50 to watch Abbott run.

                                                                                              In typical Liberal head in sand fashion, Scott Morrison refused to take media calls regarding the tragedy.

                                                                                              Channel 10 tweet 10:09 AM - 28 Sep 2013 :

                                                                                              "@TonyAbbottMHR has RUN from the AFL grand final breakfast & refused to answer questions about the latest asylum seeker deaths."

                                                                                              www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/tony-abbott-runs-from-questions-about-asylum-seeke/ae99dfca-6b25-4c2d-8e29-decbcade7c48.htm

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Tristan
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 4:31PM
                                                                                          • Poor Sarah Hanson-Young trying to put words into others mouths, and will "interpret" answers given the way she sees fit. She has no respect. The taxpayer is paying for this utter rubbish, a total abuse of taxpayers money.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Ramjet
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:20PM
                                                                                            • "Only 30 minutes to go until afternoon tea" but they havent actually said anything yet ?!!!!!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              blake
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:19PM
                                                                                              • @ kp January 31, 2014, 1:33PM

                                                                                                I haven't seen anything about the 60,000-odd illegal migrants who come in by plane that overstay every year and certainly have some radicalised and terrorist trained and inclined who are a far more potent threat to the safety of our borders than the relatively few who come in by boat.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                BillR
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:19PM
                                                                                                • Why don't you just stick to the issue at hand, Bill.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  JM
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:49PM
                                                                                                • That wouldn't be some of your obfuscation would it BillR?

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Smack
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  City of the Fallen
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 3:22PM
                                                                                                • Smack. Enough! I near spat my coffee onto the keyboard!

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  The Bujoo
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 4:40PM
                                                                                              • I'd like to know why SHY isn't facing the enquiry answering questions about how her direct policies and actions lured thousands to their deaths

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                I hate pies
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Qld
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                January 31, 2014, 2:19PM
                                                                                                • This is like reading a Harold Pinter play. At least his dialogue was always funny.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  ghostlit
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:17PM
                                                                                                  • Yes I could well imagine Tony yelling after his minister, 'Scott, don't you let them push you around Scottie.'

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                                                                • 1.58 Clearest answer yet! You're not kidding, talk about masters of evasion.
                                                                                                  What a farce these characters are making of the senate inquiry.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  A country gal
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:10PM
                                                                                                  • ACG, some would say it already was a farce from inception.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Lewis
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:22PM
                                                                                                • Senator Sarah Hanson-Young again attacking our defence force - deliberately referring to Lieutenant General Angus Campbell as 'Lieutenant' to insult him. Nasty piece of work.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  kp
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  brisbane
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 2:09PM
                                                                                                    • Or, not being in the military, she doesn't understand the distinction between Lieutenant and Lieutenant General?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Aaron
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:17PM
                                                                                                    • what disrespect from SHY.....she is an embarrassment to Australia and the poor people she represents.... but seeing she is from the far left who hate Australia and all it stands for im not surprised.... an absolute disgrace

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      cameron
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                                                                    • you presume that there was evil intent in her words, how ridiculously judgmental is that. when more than likely she didnt know what the short form of his name was before she opened her mouth.

                                                                                                      We who live in the real world respect other and realise that some times people just make mistakes.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      blake
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                                                                    • Should she genuflect? The public are being treated like fools!

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Ruth
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:39PM
                                                                                                    • @ Cameron

                                                                                                      What is it exactly that Australia "stands for"?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Syd
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Sydnaaay
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:43PM
                                                                                                    • blake the labour/green alliance have never respected or had any time for the military.... being from the extreme left SHY despises all military people....

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      cameron
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      melbourne
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:53PM
                                                                                                    • @Aaron, Sarah Hanson-Young is a Senator (albeit representing the Greens) in the federal parliament of Australia. She is paid almost $200,000 a year for this role and only comes up for election every 6 years.

                                                                                                      If Hanson-Young cannot differentiate between a Lieutenant and a General, then she should not be sitting on the Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee investigating defence and border issues. For that matter she should not be in parliament.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      kp
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      brisbane
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 3:01PM
                                                                                                  • Poor SHY. Made to look foolish once again. Just can't get the answer she's looking for.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    The Bujoo
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:06PM
                                                                                                    • Hypothecate:
                                                                                                      To pledge (property) as security or collateral for a debt without transfer of title or possession.

                                                                                                      ???

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      peterh_oz
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:04PM
                                                                                                      • He clearly meant 'hypothesize" but you know the old "military intelligence" oxymoron.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        stevek
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:32PM
                                                                                                    • "We will restore accountability and improve transparency measures to be more accountable to you." - Tony Abbott. When?

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Max Gross
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 2:02PM
                                                                                                      • Yeah,, still waiting for that transparency

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Roger
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                                                    • Oh this should be good. Give all the Geeen and Labor lovies something to get whipped up about. Don't worry about the small fact that there have been no deaths of late on the high seas.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      The real Johno
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 1:57PM
                                                                                                      • How do you know that there have been no more deaths. That information is secret.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        ICSBSS
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:13PM
                                                                                                      • Are you privy to on water matters classified information?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                                                                      • You talk as though it's a sport, to see who can do better, Labor or Liberal. when it comes to boat arrivals. It's no sport, it's about human lives. But as long as the government can save lives and yet treat asylum seekers like animals in detention centres its all hunky dory eh? What a miserable petty country of little consequence Australia has become.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        TerryOnTheBorder
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        ALBURY
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:32PM
                                                                                                      • ICS and ACG - there is no way Morrison could say there have been no arrivals and no deaths for 6 weeks unless it was true. There would be labor supporters everywhere willing to disprove the claim - if they could.

                                                                                                        The childishness from the left regarding the success of the Coalition is astounding. It is obvious that the second labor get back into power hat the boats will start again and so will the deaths at sea. You can all be as proud as you were last time when 1200 people died.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 2:45PM
                                                                                                    • I sure hope they ask the Armed Forces how it is they did not know where they were or were they lying that they did not know, but that would be un Australian.
                                                                                                      Perhaps the question should address the competency and how the Navy did not know its position

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      Lindsay
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Stamford
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      January 31, 2014, 1:56PM
                                                                                                      • I look forward to Morrison explaining how a modern Navy with some of the most advanced GPS systems in the world could "inadvertently" cross Indonesia's maritime border several times.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Mike
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 1:56PM
                                                                                                        • When you're trying to manage a difficult turn-back operation in very close proximity to the territorial 12-mile limit involving large naval vessels & small wooden fishing boats plus rigid hull inflatables it would be easy to inadvertently stray accross several times. It is a maneuvering problem & not a navigating one.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Lewis
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:30PM
                                                                                                      • These guys are so shifty, how many times does SHY have to spell it out "what is the difference"?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        A country gal
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 1:53PM
                                                                                                        • Indeed, I agree with you SHY is shifty.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Equaliser
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:29PM
                                                                                                        • I said guys.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          A country gal
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                                                      • Where was the inquiry when thousands were drowning the last six years under the previous Government?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        PMI
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Hampton
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        January 31, 2014, 1:53PM
                                                                                                        • I would laugh at Scott Morrison's lack of logic if it was not so frightening.

                                                                                                          He claims that certain allegations are 'unsubstantiated'.

                                                                                                          Yet, in the same breath he refuses to release information that will clear the situation up!

                                                                                                          Easy does it, Minister. Chaplin, the Marx Brothers, Monty Python, etc., they beat you by a half century at least - plus they were entertaining.

                                                                                                          To quote 'Walter' in 'The Big Lebowski', having advised 'Smoky' that, 'this isn't 'Nam, this is bowling, there are rules...', goes on to exclaim: 'Has the whole world gone crazy!? Am I the only one who gives a shit about the rules!?'...

                                                                                                          I share Walter's concerns. Have we, as a nation, taken leave of our sense?

                                                                                                          Why are the churches not holding joint press conferences to decry these stupidities and outrages against decency and humanity?

                                                                                                          Perhaps they have their, er, hands full with the Royal Commission, more's the pity...

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 1:51PM
                                                                                                          • "Why are the churches not holding joint press conferences to decry these stupidities and outrages against decency and humanity?"

                                                                                                            Decency and humanity pale in importance against rolling back abortion and keeping gay people from marrying. Duh.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            asHeintended
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Melbourne
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 2:32PM
                                                                                                          • Yes, silly me, I don't know why but I keep thinking the churches should be there to act as a force for good in the world...I should know better.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 3:03PM
                                                                                                          • Hans you should know that progressives are the only virtuous moral people in Australia. They take the high moral attitude and implement policy that results in 1200 dead. The Curch that all you progressives are quick to mock do more good in a day than labor did in six years. They are tied of seeing people die. Its pretty simple except to a sanctimonious progressive.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 3:57PM
                                                                                                          • 'pragmatic prince' - 'the churches are tied of seeing people die' - dear me, given the Royal Commissions, I would have thought they would have had quite enough of that sort of thing...

                                                                                                            If it is a choice between 'progressive', or inherently 'regressive' and being afraid to put one's faith in humanity, then give me progressiveness and day.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 4:13PM
                                                                                                        • I think It is often the case that far-left advocates would abuse the transparency in asylum seeker reporting for open border agendas, as opposed to concern for genuine refugees from refugee camps, such as those in neighbouring countries of Syria. The facilitation of bogus claims of asylum under the guise of refugee action inadvertently places social cohesion and multiculturalism at risk, as it's the importation of foreign underclasses by boat, instead of genuine humanitarian refugee intake or skilled legal migration.

                                                                                                          There would be the facilitation by refugee action advocates to incite protests and hunger strikes, the provision of legal aid to provide information as to how to state claims to gain citizenship, despite being bogus, as well as sensationalist descriptions of detention centres, being described as something akin to concentration camps, despite adhering to UN standards. The commentary and action of the far-left seems to have the underlying notion of the facilitation of open borders.

                                                                                                          Refugee advocates who are more in line with far-left socialism had lobbied for a law that made it illegal to refer to unsolicited unauthorised irregular maritime arrivals by boat who arrive without documentation to Australian moorings as 'illegal', a law which is upheld by the Australian Press Council. This is despite it being the natural opposite to legal migration. It's a form of censorship advocated by The Greens and Labor due to the loosely defined nature of refugee determination. It specifies in the UNHCR Handbook part II, it's "frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt" because claimants can't always prove their case.

                                                                                                          I don't think people smuggling, traumatisation & drowning of children tagged along by others is acceptable or safe and there are no human rights at the bottom of the ocean.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Josef
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Braddon, Australian Capital Territory
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          January 31, 2014, 1:48PM
                                                                                                          • And just to hand, another "asylum seeker" has said that Australian sailors ate all their children for lunch and burnt their women at the stake. So, Fairfax, ABC, start rabidly reporting on this as though it's a credible fact.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Davo
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 1:47PM
                                                                                                            • And just to hand - Abbott says that they are illegal immigrants - ha ha ha.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Ross
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              MALLABULA
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:48PM
                                                                                                            • If cannibalism is occurring on Abbott's watch you can be sure of one thing: he won't admit it!

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Max Gross
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 4:10PM
                                                                                                          • Maybe we should be asking what is the real reason behind operation "sovereign borders?"
                                                                                                            Are those reasons far more nefarious?
                                                                                                            Could this be the start of the propaganda push which see's us attacking Indonesia? When you consider the rapid militarisation of Darwin, recent arrivals of B52 Bombers there, the ever increasing amounts of US military personnel one has to wonder if this side show is taking eyes off of the top end and securely pointing them in all directions but where we should be looking.
                                                                                                            Our Police are being transformed from a police force to a paramilitary force. The black shirts are now in general issue a minority religion is being pursued as the bad guy, minority groups are being persecuted and imprisoned in QLD using highly dubious laws. At what point are you going to start questioning the bigger picture. With a former military man as GG any chance of an independent umpire removing a rogue govt has flown out of the window. So excuse me if I do make comparisons to Germany 1936 to 39 but I personally am seeing just way too many comparisons to now think of anything else.
                                                                                                            How long dear reader will you put up with this? Be quick before they come knocking on your door.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            MickBS
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            At the Dock
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 1:42PM
                                                                                                            • Interesting observations posed.
                                                                                                              Yes, what is the big picture, whilst we have all these deflections and diversions?
                                                                                                              You are on the money, scary times ahead.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              A country gal
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 2:36PM
                                                                                                            • Please leave the loony conspiracy theorising to the right wing of the political spectrum.

                                                                                                              Why on earth would we, or anyone else, want to attack Indonesia?

                                                                                                              As for police state nonsense, criminal gangs wearing bike colours are not a minority group.

                                                                                                              Hypothetically, if an Australian government ever went "rogue", do you really think they'd care who was GG or the unclear powers the GG may or may not have to dismiss a government. The thing that would stop a "rogue" government is a well-educated, well-informed, politically aware population.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              RGY
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:14PM
                                                                                                            • RGY - "Why on earth would we, or anyone else, want to attack Indonesia?"

                                                                                                              hi - can't answer your question, but we have to ask why Abbott is doing his best to start a fight with our neighbours - it can't all be shere stupidity and incompetence.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Ross
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              MALLABULA
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 3:52PM
                                                                                                          • A Royal Commission into union corruption according to the ALP, Greens and their socialist progressive left supporters is a witch hunt, so what does this senate inquiry dominated by ALP and Green senator called then if not witch hunt
                                                                                                            This ALP and Green dominate senate inquiry deliberately did not request the attendance of the immigration minister Scott Morrison to give evidence, but demanded all those under Scott Morrison to attend, good on you Scott for attending uninvited and sticking up and defending your employees on what is definitely a and give evidence - umm WITCH HUNT,

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Abloke
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Perth
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            January 31, 2014, 1:42PM
                                                                                                            • I am hopefully not alone when I think that seeing the military attend a Senate Inquiry into what is really a human rights issue (seeking asylum) is a real worry.

                                                                                                              The last time the military was so 'front and centre' was during the SAS storming the stranded ship in 2001 scaring the hell out of those on board.

                                                                                                              Scott Morrison was interviewed earlier on today and said he would not release more information about the Navy personnel's handling of the latest incident, because 'I do not intend to hand people smugglers the PIN number for Operation Sovereign Borders...'.

                                                                                                              That is a rather silly thing to say, and if he and his minions thought about it a little longer, they might come to the hardly earth-shattering conclusion that actually releasing footage of the military rumbling asylum seekers might act as a disincentive to people smugglers (if they see video evidence of just what the personnel are doing in our name), as opposed to keeping it under wraps and leaving it open to dismissal.

                                                                                                              I think the likeliest reason for this information black-out is that they do not want US to see what is being done in our name as part of this border protection offensive.

                                                                                                              I think it is very concerning when a government militarizes a situation against defenseless people, not just in the tactics used at the scene, but also in the language of the operation.

                                                                                                              Operation Sovereign Borders has been designed to up the sense of threat to 'extreme' - such operational names are usually only reserved for actual military operations in time of war.

                                                                                                              Nevertheless, the harder this government tries to batten down the hatches, the more vicious will they appear, as the natural instinct in a healthy democracy is to FIND OUT what is going on.

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              January 31, 2014, 1:41PM
                                                                                                              • The Greens are dreamin if it thinks it will get anything out of these three. This promises to be quite entertaining.

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                Lewis
                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                January 31, 2014, 1:39PM
                                                                                                                • Drownings - zero; boat arrivals - zero; chances of the ABC not attacking our defence force personnel - zero.

                                                                                                                  Abbott and co have already delivered in less than 6 months what labor could not deliver in 6 years - safe borders.

                                                                                                                  Well done to the Abbott government.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  kp
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  brisbane
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 1:33PM
                                                                                                                  • The moonsoon season is stopping the boat

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lady AKA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:41PM
                                                                                                                  • KP they haven't actually changed the ALP's policy which was the PNG solution. Must have been working huh. Seems funny how Tony 'Keep the Boats Coming so I can get Elected' Abbott frustrated the Malysia solution for all those years.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:45PM
                                                                                                                  • How about this alternative view:
                                                                                                                    Drownings: not reported
                                                                                                                    Boat arrivals: 4 or 5 (that we have been advised of by Indonesia)
                                                                                                                    Boats turned back: 4 or 5 (that we are aware of)
                                                                                                                    Chances of ABC not attacking the Defence force: 100%. There were no attacks ABC was just reporting allegations.
                                                                                                                    Chances of getting biased assessments of Abbott's performance from LNP accolytes: 100% . That's all we usually get but hey, let's put it to the vote. I mean an election!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    stevek
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:47PM
                                                                                                                  • Truth - Zero. Accountability - Zero Credibility - Zero. Chances of a Double Dissolution - Abbott wouldn't dare!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:49PM
                                                                                                                  • Totally agree kp. Nicely put!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    BJG
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Cairns
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:00PM
                                                                                                                  • Safe borders? Get real. This isn't an invading nation sending troops to our shores but refugees asking for our help. It is distracting the Navy from actually performing their role of protecting the country from military threats. In terms of "facts" you purport to present how can you verify them? The government is deliberately hiding the facts and if the facts come out t they don't like they are complaining about it. If we take your keeping the borders safe then why are they not using the army to round up all those visa over stayers? Same principle.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lance
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:00PM
                                                                                                                  • Hey mate there could have been 100 drownings for all we know. They can't tell us and the government won't tell us either. So I not to beleive the rubbish they are telling us until there is irrefutable proof from an independent source that has no linkls to either party. Don't forget they have been using the inherited ALP policy which has been so successful they are climing it as their own.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Paul H
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:02PM
                                                                                                                  • kp, we don't know if thats true because they won't tell us, but let's assume its true. Firstly, the changes Kevin Rudd made are a significant factor in the drop in the number of asylum seekers. Secondly, Labor didn't get the opportunity to implement their policy ie the so called Malaysia solution, because the Liberals stood in the way for political purposes

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Paul
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:04PM
                                                                                                                  • Didn't the commanding officer Angus Campbell say that right now, it is the peak of the monsoon storm season and this will cause a big slow down in the number of people coming in boats? Yes I believe he did. He also said that the success of the policy can only be properly determined once the monsoon season is over. Time will tell.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Chooko
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:10PM
                                                                                                                  • Had to re-do this - would love it if the moderators told you why they censored a reply.

                                                                                                                    GOV, are you really saying this is labors success? Are you trying to gas light everyone? Come on, be honest.

                                                                                                                    And @Stevek, ignoring the truth does not make it go away. the ABC did attack the navy, and e boat arrivals have dried up - as some of your labor supporters further down are saying as well.

                                                                                                                    And @Chooko, the figures are great for this time of year compared to previous years - look it up. That said I agree time will be the proof in the pudding, but it is looking like a great pudding right now. And glad to see an ALP supporter finally agree with what a defence force person is saying.

                                                                                                                    Labor had 6 years to fix the problem of illegal boat arrivals and every year they made it worse. The liberals under Abbott (and against the wishes of one M Turnbull) fixed it in 3 months. Not bad.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    kp
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    brisbane
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:46PM
                                                                                                                  • lady aka - didn't know the monsoon season was 6 months? you sure about that?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Genghis
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Lounge
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:47PM
                                                                                                                  • kp - "And @Stevek, ignoring the truth does not make it go away. the ABC did attack the navy, and e boat arrivals have dried up - as some of your labor supporters further down are saying as well.

                                                                                                                    KP - the ABC has not attacked the navy - the ABC reported allegations against some navy personnel.

                                                                                                                    The navy, as Spike Milligan said, is an army entirely surrounded by water, and actually knows what an attack is - you do not.

                                                                                                                    While you conservatives continue to bend the truth, you will continue to lose respect in the electorate.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Ross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    MALLABULA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:21PM
                                                                                                                  • Kp, there is no doubt that Abbott deliberately frustrated the ALP in their attempts to deal with the asylum seeker issue particularly via the Malaysia solution because he knew it was his chance to get elected. He had absolutely nothing else going for him. The result is a PM who will relentlessly sell the people and workers of this countr down the river in order to enrich his ideological masters. I'll see you down the river KP, I'll wave as you float by.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:15PM
                                                                                                                  • Umm, @Ross, the navy knows when it is being attacked. An attack does not always have to be with weapons. But hey, if you rely on Spike Milligan for your military intelligence and definitions, well good luck with that. (Just a heads up, I don’t think anybody else does).

                                                                                                                    If labor and the ABC continue to try bring the coalition down through such dishonest methods as attacking our defence forces, I am sure the people will see through it.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    kp
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    brisbane
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:17PM
                                                                                                                • The Government's asylum seeker policies are working but the Greens and Labor cannot bear to be irrelevant on the people smuggler issue. This is just their way of trying to play themselves back into importance on this issue. The Government must press on with its judicial inquiry into Union illegal activities allegation-the current Senate will not do it-even though recent allegations against section of the Union movement are much worse than anything alleged against the Governments Asylum Seeker policies.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  noitall
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  Beacon Hill
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 1:28PM
                                                                                                                  • Your bias knows no bound but keep it going, thanks to our freedom of speech courtesy of our healthy democratic system Left or Right leaning people know that justice is 'centered'.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lady AKA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:36PM
                                                                                                                  • noitall
                                                                                                                    Correction. The previous governments policies on asylum seekers is working.
                                                                                                                    That still doesn't make them humane.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Steve
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:37PM
                                                                                                                  • At the cost of our relationship with Indonesia which is a serious matter. The policy working is the P$G solution, introduced by Labor. In fact how would anyone know whether the policy is working. It's a secret. This government has done untold damage to our reputation.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lord Lucan
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:40PM
                                                                                                                  • I hope the government holds a Royal Commission into MP's expense claims and conflicts of interest,

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:51PM
                                                                                                                  • Depends what you think is a victory. Showing little numbers and the absence of boats VS the MILLIONS of people around the world (you know that place, its everywhere else that is not us) suffering. Less people no arriving here, more people arriving somewhere less good.

                                                                                                                    Not a victory, only to the soulless and devoid of compassion.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    blake
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:36PM
                                                                                                                  • Actually its Rudds PNG solution which is working. The Abbott government hasnt implemented anything effective. Buy the boats? Thats a giggle. Cooperation with Indonesia? Abbott dismantled that. Turn back the boats? Risky with very limited results. Abbott has only delivered secrecy and slogans.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    D Martin
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melb
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:37PM
                                                                                                                  • How true and it's pitiful to watch the Greens senators dredging the bottom of the barrel for anything that will provide them with any degree of relevance on this issue. It simply demonstrates what a pack of helpless self serving wood ducks they really are.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    nemises
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    weston
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:42PM
                                                                                                                  • The Greens are the biggest supporters of illegal people smuggling. Maybe there should be a parliamentary inquiry into their bank accounts. How much are they making out this?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    AG
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Brisbane
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:46PM
                                                                                                                  • You mean the Govt's PNG policy which was the ALP policy is working I guess. A shame that Tony frustrated the proposed Malaysia solution for all those years just so he could get himself elected. After all 'Stop the Boats' was just about the only policy he was capable of articulating or his supporters of understanding.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:46PM
                                                                                                                  • Lady Aka-If justice is in the middle you are way off because you are extreme left.
                                                                                                                    Lord Lucan-Indonesia is now helping the Government so you are way off beam. The PNG 'solution' would not have worked because PNG would not have enough capacity to handle the number of people that Labor had invited.
                                                                                                                    Mat Gross- The Union investigation will probably cover a large proportion of Labor MPs as they come from the Union movement.
                                                                                                                    Blake- Australia does more than its fair share of looking after legal refugees-we don't want to see cashed up illegals taking their place.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    noitall
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Beacon Hill
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:45PM
                                                                                                                  • LNP stooges working on throwing out red herrings again.
                                                                                                                    Corruption in the unions is worse than concentration camps in the tropic. We'll fall for that one!
                                                                                                                    If there is corruption we don't need to waste money on an inquiry. Just hand the matter to the police. For every succesful bribe there will be an accepter of the bribe - so we'd better check out the Employers Unions - Chambers of Commerce - and the rather blunt razor gang.
                                                                                                                    A police investigaton will be much more fun

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Christopher
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Watershipdownunder
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:50PM
                                                                                                                  • Christopher-Its odd the way all the Labor hacks have suddenly come to acquire great faith in the Police. It's got nothing to do with the fear of the AABC keeping the Building Unions honest has it? I am sure it has. How come the Police haven't put a stop to all the Union allegations that are going around?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    noitall
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Beacon
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 5:10PM
                                                                                                                • I hope the SMH isn't going to publish any of the facts. It will be accused of being unpatriotic and leftist.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 1:21PM
                                                                                                                  • If you are referring to the ABC and its reporting on the burnt hands then it has already been shown it wasn't fact.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Jack
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:26PM
                                                                                                                  • If deductive reasoning is removed from reporting/journalism, you are left with arguable facts or articles half-filled with footnotes and bibliographies.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lady AKA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:32PM
                                                                                                                  • Well Jack if they hadn't reported on it how would we have ever known if it was fact or not and how would you have had your views on those evil scoundrels of Asylum seekers (and ABC journalists) affirmed. The fact that they reported on it has allowed you to gratify al your prejudices. Maybe you can move onto their other reports on th unions to gratify your other prejudices.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:33PM
                                                                                                                  • The "fact" was that there was an allegation made by a chief of police in Indonesia. That is what the ABC reported.
                                                                                                                    Are you denying that allegations were made?
                                                                                                                    Or are you just pointing out that there is no independent way to confirm or deny the allegation?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Steve
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:35PM
                                                                                                                  • Jack, two words..."CHILDREN OVERBOARD"

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    petern
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:37PM
                                                                                                                  • @ Jack, by who? Certainly not by this "we don't comment on operational matters" government. They can neither confirm nor deny. You can't come clean when busy making mud pies.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Slogans for Bogans
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    BNE
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:37PM
                                                                                                                  • problem with your rational is that what the ABC reported was not fact. They didn't even believe it themselves yet it was presented as fact. It was like the woman on Nauru who was having twins. It was all crap.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:41PM
                                                                                                                  • Jason- Already been shown it wasn't fact??? By whom and when? And FYI in case you haven't noticed, the media report unproven allegations all the time. It is their job to do so. They are not judge jury and executioner- merely the messengers.

                                                                                                                    Do you think the media shouldn't have reported allegations of Lance Armstrong's drug use because they couldn't prove it? Do you think the media should not report cases of alleged Police brutality because it hasn't be proven as fact?

                                                                                                                    Do you think the ABC abused it's charter and journalistic ethics? If so how, and have you made complaints to the relevant authorities? Or are you happy just for Toned to have a whine about it on your behalf.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Bec
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:43PM
                                                                                                                  • +1 Steve

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                                                                                  • Steve - If it's the facts you tried to foist off on me over the refugee boat explosion and it's causes which $keptic found you out on - no thanks - you can keep your "facts"....

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Smack
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    City of the Fallen
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:44PM
                                                                                                                  • They didn't just report it. The ABC portrayed an allegation that was palpably implausible as having occured with video "proof". They failed to investigate further or even seek to confirm the facts behind the story. The reporting is not the problem. It was the way they treated the story.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lewis
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:49PM
                                                                                                                  • Just like the ABC they'll publish facts, very very carefully picked ones while ignoring others that would be very important to the story.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Tony H
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:52PM
                                                                                                                  • PP, where was it reported as fact?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    jofek
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:55PM
                                                                                                                  • Lewis- how can they investigate further when the Navy and the government will not respond to media inquiries? It only leaves one side open to inquiry, doesn't it.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Bec
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:59PM
                                                                                                                  • The 'fact' reported was an allegation. The unreasonable criticism is that the ABC should have, patriotically, given naval personnel the benefit of any doubt and censored reporting of the fact. If there was greater - or any - government transparency -including embedding reporters in this (so called) "war" then there would be no doubt about the veracity or otherwise about the allegations.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Niall
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Darwin
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:06PM
                                                                                                                  • There has been a recent allegation of rape at Strathfield train station. Do you think the media should not have reported the case because it hadn't been proven? Ridiculous. If the media only reported things once they were proven, you would have heard nothing of the Craig Thompson case.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Paul
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:08PM
                                                                                                                  • Bec, any reporter worth his salt would have many avenues to hunt down the truth. Did he seek to verify the story from the others who were also there? Did he even question the allegations at all? How was the alleged torture actually carried out? How many navy personel held him down & forced his hand on the engine's pipes? How did they all fit in what is usually small confined spaces around a boat's engine?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lewis
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:17PM
                                                                                                                  • Lewis- yes you have asked some questions. I'm sure you think you already have all of the answers to them yourself.

                                                                                                                    Here's another one for you- how did the burns get there?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Bec
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:38PM
                                                                                                                  • smack

                                                                                                                    Thanks for the reminder. It wasn't the first time nor will it be the last that steve comes up with a quote from www.rentadodgyfact.com in his one-line glib statements. I have challenged on a few other occasions, only to hear chirping of crickets into the night.

                                                                                                                    My favourite steve'ism is "where were you when (insert negative anything LNP)……."

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    $keptic
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:50PM
                                                                                                                  • Bec, I honestly do not know the answers to my questions but yours leads me to more. How did those burns really get there? Were you trying to disable the engines?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lewis
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                                                                  • So the Abbotteers whinge the ABC are not reporting the favourable "facts" re Operation Hush-Hush-Daddy-Knows-Best. Hmm, difficult to report matters the government conceals and refuses to discuss. But I have faith in the ABC to expose the truth, despite Abbott's Iron Curtain of arbitrary secrecy.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max_Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:39PM
                                                                                                                  • hi Bec - actually - the ABC should not have reported John Howard's allegations that there were WMDs in Iraq until after the invasion that proved that there were not!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Ross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    MALLABULA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:01PM
                                                                                                                  • petern - The Children Overboard saga was one of the main reasons that Howard introduced the pacific solution. Just like now, the dimwits on the left tried to blame Howard for boat people in the water. Remember the morally superior left setting up hundreds of white crosses on the lawn of parliament house in protest? Funny that none of them had enough principle or courage to do it to Gillard or Rudd. But I suppose they were on your side so no need to protest.

                                                                                                                    Progressives in this country can pat themselves on the back for the 1200 people that died since Rudd changed the rules. Thank god we have a government that is more interested in results than seeming to be morally superior.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:21PM
                                                                                                                  • Pragmatic prince January 31, 2014, 4:21PM Exsqueeze me? You do realise that NO children were thrown overboard, as the RAN itself confirmed. And you wouldn't want to contradict the RAN, would you? I mean, that would be "un-Australian", bordering on "treason", according to Fearless Leader Number One.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:59PM
                                                                                                                • Welcome back Pulse. What a busy week it's been for the government - from unions, the ABC, SPC and 40 boat-free days, Abbott's put in probably his strongest performance so far.

                                                                                                                  Wonder how much information the Greens will get out of Morrison - not much you're reckon - it's all "on water matters".

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Hacka
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  Canberra
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 1:17PM
                                                                                                                  • After serving a long apprenticeship in John Howard’s ‘Government of doing as Little as Possible’ our beloved PM of the ‘Government for Doing Nothing at all’, has once again, when confronted with anything resembling a crisis, managed to successfully do nothing at all, nothing that is except babble incoherently and stand behind his minister as the said minister quakes in fear.
                                                                                                                    Please will somebody give this useless bunch a policy, an idea, a vision, or something, even a clue would be good, just to spare the populace more of this vacuous, pointless, meaningless, shambling, bumbling performance.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:29PM
                                                                                                                  • Oh, I agree, Hacka, a very strong performance by Abbott, so strong in fact I am sure the whiff has reached the Shaky Isles...

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hans von Schlappenplanker
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:30PM
                                                                                                                  • Your definition of a strong performance is at great variance with reality.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Burble
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:42PM
                                                                                                                  • Gov - you're very hard to please.

                                                                                                                    So far this week we've had the yet-to-be-announced Royal Commission into unions, the ABC being prepared for a shakeup, the end of corporate welfare, and a boats policy so successful that the fuming Greens have recalled parliament.

                                                                                                                    But isn't there someone missing all the fun - where's Bill ?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:49PM
                                                                                                                  • Why do you recycle the same unpalatable sales pitch about your LNP/Abbott government? Your amazing speed to make commentaries always combined with the rigor of your absurd position. Perhaps a delay in your commentaries will increase the quality but I doubt it, your bias precedes you. Abbott has no policies at all, he needed to use the boats/refugee/asylum seeker to stir the rednecks of this country. When the monsoon season is over, let us see.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lady AKA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:52PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka, its was the ABC and Fairfax that broke the Union corruption story. As for the dreaded "boats", what proof do you have that the turn-'em-back ploy is working? Apart from Morrison's say-so, that is.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:55PM
                                                                                                                  • Busy but not productive. Yes he has complained that he dsn't like facts being presented to the Australian public so they can make their own minds up rather than you accept what he tell is what they should know. He has reaffirmed that his government is the one to kill off jobs not create them, he has made sure that we don't know if it has been 40 boat free days as he is suppressing the "facts" on it and he has jumped the behavior of some unions with a fervor that I would like taken to the finance industry in terms of GFC miss deeds. All good press points but in terms actually doing anything - zip.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lance
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:56PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka, try not to drool on the keyboard. Very few people want the ABC touched by this Government that hates the truth. The Royal Commission will be a $100m point scoring exercise of a Government that pretended it hated waste. The end of corporate welfare doesn't yet seem to have touched the bottom line of the LNP electoral backers. A boats policy that turns boats around regardless of whether it is safe to do so will cause the deaths of innocent asylum seekers. You've missed their latest mission to deforest Tasmania's world heritage areas - no doubt that's another "goodie".

                                                                                                                    But isn't there someone missing all the fun - where's Bill ?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    jofek
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:01PM
                                                                                                                  • A Government of nothing but words and threats and enquiries Hacka. When it comes to actually making policy or doing something or leading they are simply not up to it, they have no ideas. It is always someone else's fault. A government for the bitter and twisted finger pointers.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:05PM
                                                                                                                  • Yes, such a strong performance from Abbott doing nothing - Abbott the Ted Baillieu of Federal politics.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Rational Thinker
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:15PM
                                                                                                                  • Gov - the Coalition's first job is to clean up Labor's messes, particularly the fiscal ones. Hockey's well into the CoA now and their interim report is due soon. That's proactive stuff.

                                                                                                                    Max - i'm most confident that if and when a boat does turn up, then between the ABC, Greens and the Xmas Island Administrator, they'll be yelling it from any rooftop they can find.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:18PM
                                                                                                                  • For those of you who can't read real well, Lt Gen Campbell has just confirmed under oath that no entries have occurred for 6 weeks, under the previous government 50,000 came in the final 12 months of Government, I don't have agree with dropping or intake, but I definitely agree with stopping perilous boat journeys, and incursions into Australia's maritime borders. On the face of the above facts presented by the operational commander, I don't see how you can blindly or because of some deep seated ideology say it isn't working, P.S all these numbers will be revealed and disclosed at year end when our migration numbers are revealed as part of the budget.....

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    The Rock Says
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:41PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka I am still waiting for the LNP to face a enquiry in getting us in multiple wars which have cost Australian lives and of course thousands in other countries based on Lies and deception due to their non stop sychophant policy to the Repugs in the US....I suppose they are the party that loves Ighnorance so telling you folks notyhing except one liners will keep your support strong...LOL

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Col in Paradise
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    FNQ
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:47PM
                                                                                                                  • Ahh the old monsoon period ... hmm don't recall any boat free period in the last 6 years under the old labour governments ... maybe they were monsoon period free too ?

                                                                                                                    I guess a commission to investigate the serious allegations of corruption in the building industry and a review of the abc is "do nothing" to the labour hacks but to the rest of us it certainly seems like doing something

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Doc
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:49PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka I don't know where Labor's mess is. The Hawke Keating Govt took the Australian economy from being ranked in the teens to being ranked number 6 best economy in the world. John Howard from number 6 to number 10. Rudd and Gillard took us from number 10 to being ranked number one in the world. Tony is obviiously preparing to emulate his Idol and John Howards Golden Age and slide us down the rankings again. Hope he knows how to put the brakes on at number 10.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    GOV
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:51PM
                                                                                                                  • I just realised that one of the 6 points in the stop the boats plan must have been "Wait for cyclone season to report on boat numbers". No wonder Diaz couldn't remember it!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    QED
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:55PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka, If this is Abbott's strongest week the others must have been shockers. Relies on Fairfax and ABC for information about unions, makes a laughing stock of himself by wanting to censor the ABC then tries to bully David Gonski (good luck there) over SPC.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Bystander
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:57PM
                                                                                                                  • The Rock Says, mate the leaky fishing boats can't get here because there are great big grey boats with guns and pepper-spray in the way and those great big grey boats with guns and pepper spray are turning them around (regardless of whether it is safe to do so).

                                                                                                                    It was an abhorrent policy under Howard and it is an abhorrent policy today.

                                                                                                                    What happens if every other country decides to follow Australia's immoral lead?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    jofek
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:09PM
                                                                                                                  • Not only do you get first comment every day "Hacka", but now Fairfax are giving you "featured comment". Just how much are you paying for the privelege?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Peter
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:15PM
                                                                                                                  • Oh Hacka, I can't believe the LNP pay you to write that rubbish. Another week of lies, back flips, more jobs for the boys and withholding of information the public have a right to know. Tony Abbott, the most divisive and vision-less PM Australia has ever seen.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    JJ
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:28PM
                                                                                                                  • why?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    half
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:40PM
                                                                                                                  • jpfek = "What happens if every other country decides to follow Australia's immoral lead?"

                                                                                                                    hi jofek - there is then no right to flee from persecution. Abbott gives comfort to dictators everywhere.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Ross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    MALLABULA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:46PM
                                                                                                                  • Peter - might have been pure luck, or something to do with all the IT problems that the comments sections seem to be having today.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:58PM
                                                                                                                  • Ross - Kinda like Rudd & Gillard gave comfort to the boat passengers resting serenely on the bottom of the ocean eh Ross?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Smack
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    City of the Fallen
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:00PM
                                                                                                                  • Hacka Canberra January 31, 2014, 2:18PM once again you respond by completely ignoring the initial post, your standard M.O.. But do tell, which electorate office are you working from?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Max Gross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sapphire Coast
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:02PM
                                                                                                                  • smack - "Ross - Kinda like Rudd & Gillard gave comfort to the boat passengers resting serenely on the bottom of the ocean eh Ross?"

                                                                                                                    smack - by your reckoning, your side killed women and children on SIEV X by imposing TPVx.

                                                                                                                    The fact is that it is dangerous to flee from persecution and we don't know how many people have died because of the actions of ALP and LNP governments in their attempts to cancel the right to flee.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Ross
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    MALLABULA
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:19PM
                                                                                                                  • Smack, people make their own decisions to get on those boats and risk their lives. Stopping them at any cost and by any means is not resolving the problem, unless you truly believe they are all economic migrants; it's merely forcing them to stay where they are and suffer further or die.

                                                                                                                    This meme of saving lives, of being cruel to be kind, is a recent invention. You may be genuine but most on your side of the debate despised the boat people before the LNP ever put this thought bubble into their heads. At least Howard was honest with his "we will decide..." arrogance.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    jofek
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 4:28PM
                                                                                                                  • Ross - I don't ever recall Howard "laying out the bait" like Rudd & Gillard did - do you?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Smack
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    City of the Fallen
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 5:00PM
                                                                                                                  • @Hacka - An idea. IPA. If that is so - then that is sad; very sad. It would account for why you can readily tick off the list of 75.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Jump
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 5:03PM
                                                                                                                  • Thanks jofek - It seems to me a case of selective responsibility at play here. People getting onto boats aren't held to account for their own lives yet we are if things go wrong under Abbott. It was never a problem responsibility-wise under Rudd/Gillard - look - I could try to expound on it in more degree but would most likely get you offside on a subject very close to you. Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Smack
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    City of the Fallen
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 5:17PM
                                                                                                                • I look forward to Morrison trying to explain why there haven't been any drownings in International waters since he became minister!

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Jason
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  January 31, 2014, 1:13PM
                                                                                                                  • Jason, early favourite for comment of the day!!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    The Rock Says
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:31PM
                                                                                                                  • The green are outraged that this hasn't happened. They seem eager to get the trade going again and bugger the consequences.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pragmatic prince
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 1:42PM
                                                                                                                  • If this government were serious about saving lives at sea, its efforts would be directed to stopping the boats leaving Indonesia, not stopping them landing in Australia. The reality is, we don't know how many have left since September and we we don't know if any have been lost at sea. So let's stop with the hypocrisy.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Vonno
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:03PM
                                                                                                                  • just because drown at sea, who knows what fate awaits them back there when they have no money or hope or roof above their head. There are way worse things than drown at sea, There is suffering.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    blake
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:22PM
                                                                                                                  • further more, I realise this may not make any sense to you, but not every single boat that comes over is leaky, let alone capsizes

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    blake
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 2:25PM
                                                                                                                  • It appears that two of three turn backs have resulted in sunken vessels, just now closer to the Indonesian coast that they have be rescued, The fact the Navy caused those sunken vessels (including getting people BACK ONTO the boat, that eventually sunk) to travel further seems to have been missed.

                                                                                                                    Additionally they may just have "not reported" any deaths, not that none have occurred.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Pat
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    January 31, 2014, 3:56PM
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