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Key moments in the leadership crisis

A timeline of the day's events including the key players involved in the Labor leadership spill.

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Is everyone still standing? Let's do a wrap of the day before I sign off.

1. Prime Minister Julia Gillard started and ended the day as prime minister;

2. she did this even though the now former minister Simon Crean called for a leadership ballot;

3. Kevin Rudd did not run which means caucus did not actually vote on the leadership because there were no challengers to Ms Gillard as leader and Wayne Swan as deputy;

4. key Rudd supporters have either resigned or are considering their positions;

5. Mr Crean struggled to explain why he did what he did and then called for unity;

6. the media reform laws were dumped;

7. a very moving ceremony to offer an apology to victims of forced adoptions was made and both Ms Gillard and Mr Abbott gave powerful speeches.

In my mind the apology showed the best of politics. I'll leave it up to you to pass judgment on the rest of it.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for staying with us throughout the day.

Snaps to Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen - they make The Pulse.

See you in the morning.

And, to round things out, here is the transcript of Mr Abbott's remarks to the media.

 

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott makes a statement following the ALP leadership ballot

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott makes a statement following the ALP leadership ballot Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Crean says "we have a crew that's capable of doing it properly".

 

Labor MP Simon Crean sits on the backbench during Question Time

Labor MP Simon Crean sits on the backbench during Question Time Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Crean says he doesn't believe the timing was not to Mr Rudd's liking.

"His side knew exactly what was involved."

Mr Crean says it's "not necessarily" true that Labor is headed for defeat at the election.

When asked if the events of today put the leadership fight to bed, Mr Crean says "It must".

Labor MP Simon Crean speaks to the media after doing a television interview in the press gallery

Labor MP Simon Crean speaks to the media after doing a television interview in the press gallery Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Crean: "That's why the decision that I took today, even though it didn't achieve the result that I would have argued should have been achieved, I did in the interests of the Labor Party."

"I don't have any regrets about the path that I took."

"I took it out of no personal gain or no personal animosity to Julia."

 

Mr Crean: "In my view there is no way he can countence or argue that his position can be taken seriously."

"The PM called it on, called it on because I asked her it."

 

Simon Crean is now speaking to ABC television.

"I'm surprised that Kevin Rudd didn't stand. I can't understand why all of this agitation would be on, to bring it to a head, then for the pretender not to stump on."

"He should have run, there's no question about that."

"That would have been an important cleansing for the party."

 

A spokesman for the PM has issued a statement acknowledging Mr Marles' resignation.

"The Prime Minister thanked Mr Marles for his contribution and service and acknowledges his behaviour in offering his resignation is honourable."

 

Mr Marles said "the decision about the leadership has been conclusively determined".

"The caucus has very clearly spoken. It really is now time to be standing right behind Julia Gillard to make sure we get re elected."

Mr Marles says he does not feel he was hung out to dry by Mr Rudd.

Resigning from his parliamentary secretaryship was "the appropriate thing to do".

"The idea of a Rudd prime ministership is now over and I do think that this needed to be resolved so in that sense I think the party, after a difficult day, is in a better position at the end of the day than it was at the beginning."

Richard Marles speaks to the media after resigning as a parliamentary secretary

Richard Marles speaks to the media after resigning as a parliamentary secretary Photo: Andrew Meares

Rudd supporter Richard Marles has resigned his parliamentary secretaryship.

Mr Marles was the parliamentary secretary for foreign affairs and Pacific Island affairs.

Wondering what all of this means?

Lenore Taylor has filed this excellent analysis piece which says it far more clearly than I could.

 

This is the text of Ms Gillard's statement.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasuruer Wayne Swan made short statements after the meeting.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasuruer Wayne Swan made short statements after the meeting. Photo: Andrew Meares

Here is a transcript of the comments Mr Rudd made to reporters shortly before the 4.30pm meeting.

The Minister for Defence, Stephen Smith, says there are a "range of people who need to reconsider what they do."

Mr Smith it is right that Mr Fitzgibbon should reconsider his position and that it is fair he takes time to do that.

"The time has come for this matter to be at an end."

Mr Smith says "not one day" should be lost between now and the election "as a result of these previous issues".

 

Senator Milne is making a fair point - that the people who gathered today for the apology to the victims of forced adoptions deserve another apology from the Labor Party for allowing the leadership issue to overshadow their day.

It is a great shame that the occasion, which was so moving, is not the focus of the day.

If you'd like to look at some of the pictures and read the coverage of the event please return to the posts that begin shortly before 11am.

Greens leader Christine Milne is now urging people to get behind the Greens as a party of stability.

"We're not going to put the one trick pony at the middle of the circus and that's Tony Abbott."

The deputy leader of the Opposition, Julie Bishop, and the leader, Tony Abbott, leave their press conference.

Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott leave their press conference following the Labor Party leadership meeting.

Julie Bishop and Tony Abbott leave their press conference following the Labor Party leadership meeting. Photo: Andrew Meares

The PM.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard made a statement following the leadership ballot

Prime Minister Julia Gillard made a statement following the leadership ballot Photo: Andrew Meares

The PM following her statement.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard made a statement following the ballot

Prime Minister Julia Gillard made a statement following the ballot Photo: Andrew Meares

The view from the top.

Labor MP Chris Hayes announces the ballot result to the media

Labor MP Chris Hayes announces the ballot result to the media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

I must interrupt proceedings to congratulate Andrew Meares and Alex Ellinghausen for their amazing work today.

I'm going to publish a few of their pictures that time has prevented me from bringing you sooner.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan address the media following the announcement she will remain in the top job.. Click for more photos

Gillard survives dramatic day in Canberra

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan address the media following the announcement she will remain in the top job.. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

  • Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan address the media following the announcement she will remain in the top job..
  • Opposition Leader Tony Abbott makes a statement following the ALP leadership ballo.
  • Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon speaks to media follwoing the ballot.
  • Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges after the leadership ballot.
  • Kevin Rudd emerges from the leadership ballot.
  • Labor MP Chris Hayes announces the result of the ballot.
  • Julia Gillard on her way to the ballot.
  • Labor MP Rob Mitchellon his way to the leadership ballot.
  • Kevin Rudd arrives for the leadership ballot.
  • Simon Crean and Warren Snowdon arrive for the  leadership ballot.
  • Prime Minister Julia Gillard speaks during a motion of no confidence at Parliament House.

Tony Abbott: "It's absolutely obvious that we have seen a stand-off not a resolution."

And that's it for Mr Abbott's press conference.

Mr Abbott is asked if the independents should withdraw their support from the Prime Minister.

Mr Abbott says it's "interesting" to note the motion for a suspension was won "only on a technicality."

"Minority government is an experiment that has failed."

Mr Abbott says the only way the matter can be resolved is to have an election.

"We cannot wait until September 14."

Tony Abbott is going to "talk directly to the Australian people" first.

"It doesn't have to be as bad as this."

"We are currently let down by a bad government getting worse but that will change."

 

Tony Abbott will also be holding a press conference. It will take place at 5.30pm.

Wayne Swan: "I think it's fair to say there was very strong support for the prime minister in the party room today."

"I think today's result does end these matters once and for all."

"We need to rededicate ourselves to a program that will lift our country up."

"For my part I've got a budget to prepare."

"From our perspective it's back to work."

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan speak to the media

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan speak to the media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The PM: "I"m grateful to my colleagues for their continuing support of me."

"I accept their continued support with a sense of deep humility and resolve."

"I only ever sought office in the interests of the nation."

"It is in that spirit that I continue to govern."

"The whole business is at an end."

Prime Minister Julia Gillard speaks to the media

Prime Minister Julia Gillard speaks to the media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The PM has arrived to make her statement.

Rudd supporter John Murphy told Fairfax Media reporter Jonathan Swan: "Now everyone must give Julia 100 per cent loyalty."

"It was an heroic performance by Simon to bring the instability to a head. I think his decision today was the hardest decision he has ever made. I think Simon deserves enormous credit to bring this to a head in the interests of the party."

Fairfax Media reporter Judith Ireland ran into National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce after the meeting who quipped: "They had a vote for chaos and it was unanimous."

Quite.

The PM will hold a press conference at 5.15pm.

The alert put out by her office says Ms Gillard will make a statement only and take no questions.

The PM and other MPs leave the meeting.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges from caucus meeting

Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges from caucus meeting Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Fitzgibbon: "I'm driven only by the best interests of the party."

Kevin Rudd emerges from the leadership ballot

Kevin Rudd emerges from the leadership ballot Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Fitzgibbon: "I think the government can win with Julia Gillard ... She does have some very, very good policies and a positive agenda."

Mr Fitzgibbon: "I'm doing what I'm doing now in the hope that it is over."

Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon speaks to media

Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon speaks to media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Fitzgibbon: "Kevin Rudd always maintained he wouldn't challenge ... We weren't able [to persuade him to run]."

Mr Fitzgibbon calls for "a time of healing".

 

Joel Fitzgibbon, chief government whip and Rudd supporter, has just left and was asked how it went: "Interesting."

He's now talking to the media.

"Caucus has made his decision today. It's made a decision to stay on path. Over the next six weeks I'll consider whether it's in the best interests of the party for me to stay on as chief government whip."

"I'll put that decision on notice now."

Mr Fitzgibbon has had no conversations with the PM.

So the ballot took less than 15 minutes.

Mr Hayes says the mood of the room was "sombre".

"This is something most people are happy has been put beyond doubt."

So to recap there was no actual vote because there were no opposing candidates.

We start the day, indeed the week, as it began - with Julia Gillard as Prime Minister.

The PM and her supporters are now leaving the meeting.

A caucus spokesman, Chris Hayes, confirms that nominations were called for the position of leader and deputy leader.

Only one person nominated for each position - Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan respectively.

Therefore they were elected unopposed.

Mr Hayes confirms Mr Rudd was in the room.

Mr Hayes says Mr Crean had begun to speak but he thought it "prudent" to leave and tell people what had happened.

Since the meeting has now begun there will be a bit of a vaccum for a while so I'm going to put up the full statements of Mr Rudd and Mr Albanese.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for the caucus meeting

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for the caucus meeting Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd was accompanied by Laura Smyth (Victorian seat of LaTrobe), Janelle Saffin (NSW seat of Page), Maria Vamvakinou (Victorian seat of Calwell) and others.

Labor MP Kevin Rudd speaks to media

Labor MP Kevin Rudd speaks to media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

A spokesman for the Minister for Foriegn Affairs, Bob Carr, says: "Minister Carr will not be able to attend the caucus meeting today as he is overseas. I have nothing else to add."

The PM is arriving for the caucus meeting accompanied by Wayne Swan, Yvette D'Ath, Kate Ellis, Stephen Conroy, Nicola Roxon, Bill Shorten, Craig Emerson, Brendan O'Connor, David Feeney and a large group of supporters.

The PM smiled and said "hi" to reporters.

Anthony Albanese: "Kevin Rudd has made the right decision. He has said he would only be a candidate for the Labor Party leadership not through a divisive ballot in which he challenged the Prime Minister but only in the circumstances whereby it was the overwhelming view of the party."

"I will never support a spill motion against a sitting Prime Minister."

"Julia Gillard will remain the Prime Minister."

"I will be supporting Wayne Swan [for the deputy leader's position]."

Mr Albanese says he was not aware of Mr Crean's plans before he announced them.

I repeat - Kevin Rudd is not running.

Labor MP Kevin Rudd speaks to media

Labor MP Kevin Rudd speaks to media Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Rudd: "When I said I would not challenge for the Labor leadership I believed in honouring my word."

He repeats his statement that he would only stand if the position was vacant.

"Therefore in the absence of anything Simon Crean had to say this morning I will be adhering to my statement.

"This is difficult day ... but I take my word seriously.

"I am not prepared to dishonour the word I gave solemnly.

"I suggest to all and sundry across the party that we ensure Tony Abbott does not walk into the Lodge."

Kevin Rudd about to make a statement.

The Minister for Workplace Relations, Bill Shorten, has just walked into the PM's office.

The Minister for Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, heads for Mr Rudd's office.

There is a group of about 20 MPs inside Mr Rudd's office urging him to run.

They include people already know to support Mr Rudd - Sydney MP Ed Husic, Victorian MP Richard Marles and South Australian MP Tony Zappia.

It's less than an hour to go until the ballot.

There are various opinions flying around as to who has more votes but since no one knows for sure let's leave that to one side.

What needs to happen in this ballot (presuming Mr Rudd does run)?

The history of leadership ballots shows that the challenger can win by a slim margin and then enjoy the support of their party room.

For example, Tony Abbott won by one vote. Mark Latham also won by a slim margin (he wasn't undone by anyone other than himself).

However incumbents needs to win decisively to make the leadership rumblings stop.

Therefore, Kevin Rudd could win by a slim majority and all the leadership kerfuffle would end.

But if Julia Gillard wins by a slim majority then this would not be over.

And the voting by tweet begins:

 

Labor warhorse and the national president of the Australian Workers Union, Bill Ludwig, is a strong supporter of Ms Gillard but has declined to comment on the ballot or on Mr Crean's shift to Mr Rudd.

"Haven't got a view," Mr Ludwig told The Age's Ben Schneiders.

"You blokes (the media) have got more views than a circus."

There is still silence from Kevin Rudd.

 

Kevin Rudd arrives for Question Time

Kevin Rudd arrives for Question Time Photo: Andrew Meares

Independent Bob Katter says he would consider switching sides from the Opposition to Labor if Kevin Rudd was appointed leader.
Mr Katter's support of Mr Rudd would depend on whether the former prime minister negotiated favourably on the 20 point plan that he presented to both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott during the negotiations to form government after the 2010 election.
Issues important to Mr Katter include the Woolworths and Coles supermarket duopoly and "mandatory ethanol in our petrol tanks".
Mr Katter said Mr Abbott's credibility had been "damaged" over his views on ethanol, but he was close to Joe Hockey and was not yet leaning to either side.
"I couldn't care whether Billy Billabong is Prime Minister of Australia," Mr Katter said.
"My initial reaction is that I would go back to my 20 points."

Mr Crean's office has confirmed he was sacked from his ministerial responsibilities.

So what did that all mean?

It means that independents who previously could have been relied on to protect Ms Gillard from the Opposition's procedural attacks did not do so this time. In other words, they have lost confidence in her prime ministership.

However, not all of them.

And Bob Katter makes a point of absenting himself from what he calls "political votes".

If there had been an absolute majority in favour of Mr Abbott's motion then he would have been able to move a further motion of no confidence (which, you may recall, is what he tried to do at the start of Question Time).

Had that been successful it would have meant Parliament had no confidence in the Prime Minister. That would have almost certainly sent us to an election.

But that didn't happen. Just a leadership ballot.

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott during Question Time

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott during Question Time Photo: Andrew Meares

Windsor, Wilkie and Oakeshott voted with the Opposition.

Slipper and Thomson voted with the Government.

Bob Katter was not present.

PS. An absolute majority is 50 per cent plus one vote which is 76 votes.

It does not matter if all MPs are present or not. It is an absolute majority of eligible MPs.

The motion votes - 73 yes, 71 no.

The motion required an absolute majority so it is unsuccessful.

The PM wins but only because an absolute majority was required.

The PM: "They obviously don't want Question Time so I ask further questions be placed on the notice board."

Question Time is over.

If the motion is successful then that means the leader of the Opposition is able to bring on his motion of no confidence.

If the no confidence motion is successful we are in tricky waters.

We are now hearing that enough independents may side with the Opposition for it to be successful.

 

Team Rudd.

 

Labor MP Kevin Rudd during Question Time

Labor MP Kevin Rudd during Question Time Photo: spruddcrean21

A division is now being called on the motion to suspend standing orders. It is unlikely the cross bench will give the Opposition enough support for it to be successful.

PM: "That is our mission, that is our creed, that is what Labor governments do."

"It is what is has done under my prime ministership and it is what it will continue to do under my prime ministership from this day forward."

"We will fight and fight the leader of the opposition and his campaign."

"When the election is held in September we will prevail because the choice will be so clear."

The PM: "Here we are as a nation strong, resilient, emerging from the global financial crisis well."

"It is a future of opportunity that is not assured."

"There is nothing to guarantee we will be a high skill high wage economy."

 

The PM: "Let me assure the leader of the Opposition we are not done yet."

"We have more to do...It is this government that has outlined the roadmap to that future."

The PM is giving a strong defence of her policies to defend workers' rights, and in particular women.

She mentions not only childcare workers, but aged workers, better protection for women who are leaving violent relationships, paid parental leave and increasing the tax free threshold for low paid workers (who are more likely to be women).

The PM is talking about the government's record on the economy and its performance during and after the global financial crisis.

"I am proud that this week we have extended more funding to women who work in childcare centres. Why shouldn't women who work in childcare centres with children, our most precious resource, have better pay and conditions? Why can't the leader of the opposition be a big enough man to support that?"

The PM is standing to respond to the motion.

"[Mr Abbott] filled the space with the only thing he knows how to do and that is negativity, bitterness and the politics of personal assault."

"This is a government that has got on with the job and has governed well."

 

Independent MPs Andrew Wilkie Craig Thomson Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor talk during Question Time

Independent MPs Andrew Wilkie Craig Thomson Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor talk during Question Time Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Bishop says divisions in the Labor Party will continue regardless of the ballot at 4.30pm: "It is deep, it is personal it is vicious and it will not go away."

 

The deputy Opposition leader, Julie Bishop, is now seconding the motion.

"The Australian people deserve so much better than this prime minister. The Australian people deserve so much better than this government."

"This is all to the cost of the Australian people, to the confidence of the Australian people."

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese in discussion with Prime Minister Julia Gillard during Question Time

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese in discussion with Prime Minister Julia Gillard during Question Time Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Abbott: "This is a betrayal of Labor values because decent Labor people and a decent Labor government would never put themselves ahead of good government."

"It was once said there was a light on the hill working for the betterment of mankind....That once great political party is reduced to being a life support system for just one person, the current prime minister. I say to the prime minister - for your party's good you should go. For our country's good you should go. You should go."

 

Mr Abbott: "There's the deception, the chronic congenital deception we get from this prime minister and this government."

And this:

 

From the ALP:

 

Mr Rudd listens to Mr Abbott.

 

Kevin Rudd in Question Time

Kevin Rudd in Question Time Photo: Andrew Meares

"A government that if the honest truth were to be known, most members opposite would feel embarassed about," Mr Abbott says.

 

Simon Crean and chief government whip Joel Fitzgibbon.

 

Sacked arts minister Simon Crean and Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon arrive for question time at Parliament House in Canberra on Thursday 21 March 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares

Sacked arts minister Simon Crean and Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon arrive for question time at Parliament House in Canberra on Thursday 21 March 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares Photo: Andrew Meares

"A house divided cannot stand," Mr Abbott says.

"A house divided itself cannot stand...This cannot go on. The people of Australia deserve and strong and stable government and what is crystal clear is that cannot continue under this prime minister."

Mr Abbott seeks to leave a motion of no confidence in the PM.

The manager of governnment business, Anthony Albanese, says "No, this is Question Time."

Mr Abbott is now moving to suspend standing orders on the basis there is no confidence in the PM.

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard in Question Time

Prime Minister Julia Gillard in Question Time Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Abbott is hammering the PM with now his second question about how the Australian people can be expected to have confidence in her when the Minister for Regional Development has lost it.

The PM says he might want to look at what some of his colleagues have said about him. Mr Turnbull perhaps, she suggests.

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for Question Time

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for Question Time Photo: Photo by Alex Ellinghausen

The PM has also announced that the Minister for Infrastructure, Anthony Albanese, will answer questions in the place of the Minister for Regional Development, Simon Crean.

This means Mr Crean has effectively gone to the backbench.

 

 

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for question time at Parliament House in Canberra on Thursday 21 March 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares

Prime Minister Julia Gillard arrives for question time at Parliament House in Canberra on Thursday 21 March 2013. Photo: Andrew Meares Photo: Andrew Meares

The PM has announced the leadership ballot will be on at 4.30pm.

Security has removed the media from the corridor outside the PM's office.

The PM has left for QT with Wayne Swan next to her and Greg Combet, Tanya Plibersek, Craig Emerson and Jenny Macklin with her.

All are smiling.

The Minister for Trade, Craig Emerson, has also gone into the PM's office. He is one of her staunchest backers.

The bells are ringing for Question Time which means there are five minutes to go.

The Minister for Defence, Stephen Smith, has just gone into the PM's office. The government's manager of business, Anthony Albanese, is also inside.

 

Here is Mr Crean's full statement to the media (it does not include the questions and answers).

Labor frontbencher Simon Crean speaks to media at press conference

Labor frontbencher Simon Crean speaks to media at press conference Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Here's the head of NSW Labor:

 

So basically we have a leadership spill that isn't on - but should be - with a leadership contender who should declare - but hasn't - with a deputy who isn't endorsed by the contender.

Confused? Me too.

The body language in Question Time will be fascinating.

Mr Crean has finished his press conference saying he will be in Question Time - just half an hour away.

Mr Crean: "Labor has not lost its way."

Mr Crean: "There should be no retribution."

"It's a pretty proud vessel, I want it steering on course."

"The sooner we start acting like a team, which I know we can, the better."

Mr Crean says the Labor Party can win the election "if it gets back on message" and "if it regains that mantle of leadership that is brand Labor".

Mr Crean: "There's only one leader that can call the spill. If the PM is not inclined, well I think she's not going to do that. I urge the caucus to act in accordance with the rules."

Mr Crean is referring to the ability of caucus to ask for a meeting for a ballot if one third of members sign a petition.

Mr Crean: "There's no point continuing on in a hung Parliament under these circumstances."

He says it's better trying to deal with circumstances they can control rather than those they cannot.

Mr Crean says that when he was ousted as Labor leader he warned against the "revolving door of leadership" and those warnings have come to pass.

Mr Crean says people have urged him to run as leader and he's "resisted".

 

Mr Crean: "We've got to look at the duality of causes and address both of them."

Mr Crean says that cannot be done if only the "prism of leadership" is confronted.

Mr Crean says this is not a matter of him losing confidence in the PM but a matter of the "white noise".

"We should be able to sort it out but we've shown no capacity to do this in the past three months."

"Some will say this is just rewarding the destabilisers....I do not believe that the position we find ourselves in in the polls for example, is just due to destabilising. It's due to a number of decisions which I won't go into."

Mr Crean says there is no official ticket between himself and Mr Rudd.

"I believe he has other views on who that person should be."

 

Labor frontbencher Simon Crean announces he has asked Julia Gillard for a spill of the party leadership.

Labor frontbencher Simon Crean announces he has asked Julia Gillard for a spill of the party leadership. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Mr Crean: "It's not as if we have to create a brand Labor. It exists but we must reinvigorate it."

Mr Crean: "If you look at the criticism of his government it was that it was too concentrated. I want it to be more inclusive."

Mr Crean says it was he who was the last Labor leader to effectively reform the party (he's referring to his time as Labor leader when he downsized the unions' influence on the party through their representation at national conference).

Mr Crean: "It was important to me that he was going to be a changed Kevin. Or, if you like, a more disciplined asset."

Mr Crean says this is why he's putting his name forward as deputy, to hold Mr Rudd to his word that he is a changed man.

Mr Crean says he has not spoken to Mr Rudd in the past 48 hours. He has had discussions in recent weeks, first on policy.

Mr Crean is saying he'll run as deputy to Mr Rudd but would not seek the position of treasurer.

Mr Crean: "I will not step aside pending the outcome of the ballot. If she [the PM] were to win of course I would step aside."

Mr Crean is asked if Mr Rudd has the numbers: "I wouldn't be doing this if I did not believe there was the mood and the need for change within the party."

Mr Crean: "I'm urging Mr Rudd to put his name forward....I do not believe simply changing from Ms Gillard to Mr Rudd will solve anything. The internals must stop. We must be an inclusive party."

Simon Crean says he'll support Kevin Rudd in any leadership ballot.

Simon Crean says he'll support Kevin Rudd in any leadership ballot. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Crean met with the PM last night and again today. He promised not to say anything until he had spoken to her again which was why he did not say anything at this morning's press conference.

The PM said she would not call a spill.

"I urge her to reconsider," Mr Crean says.

 

Mr Crean: "I look forward to caucus making a mature decision....I will be supporting Kevin Rudd. He has got no option but to run. I want no more games."

Mr Crean: "People have got to believe that we have got conviction...What we have to do is to take people with us. That means being prepared to argue the case. I know this - people do not want an Abbott led government."

Mr Crean: "I'm doing this in the interests of the Labor Party and, in turn, the nation."

(The PM is in the House of Representatives listening to the apology.)

Mr Crean: "We need to settle this and move forward. As for the position of positions being declared open - Kevin Rudd has no choice but to stand for the leadership. He can no longer say he will only be drafted. That's why I'm putting myself forward as part of the leadership group."

Mr Crean: "If the PM  does not agree to it, which I suspect she won't, I am calling on members of caucus to form a petition."

"This is not personal. This is about the party, its future and the future of the country. I believe we can win the next election."

Mr Crean: "I have talked to the prime minister yesterday and today....I am asking her to call a spill for all the leadership positions in the party."

Mr Crean: "IT seems to me the party, through the government, is in a stalemate...Something needs to be done to break the dead lock."

And we're now on standby for another press conference with the Minister for Regional Development, Simon Crean.

It's due to start at 1pm.

 

In breaking news the government has now pulled its media reform package having been unable to secure enough support.

 

Here is a link to the full text of the apology that will be moved in Parliament later today.

I apologise that my reporting of Mr Abbott's speech was not quite as fulsome as it was for Ms Gillard. I had a transcript of Ms Gillard's speech but none for Mr Abbott.

 

Mr Abbott then went on to say: "We honour the birth parents, including the fathers, who have always loved their children."

Mr Abbott was then heckled by some people in the audience who seemed to be upset when he said he also paid tribute to adoptive parents who "tried to do the right thing".

He then apologised saying "the last thing" he wanted to do was cause further pain.

"People have a right to make choices and they deserve our love and respect whatever choices they make."

This seemed to prompt another round of heckling.

Mr Abbott praised Ms Gillard's "eloquent and heartfelt statement" and endorsed it.

Mr Abbott: "We are all living with that legacy....I can't imagine an ache greater than your fear that mum didn't want me even though it wasn't true."

"Every mother has the right to raise her child. We know it now and we should have known it then."

"It should never have been presumed that some mothers were not capable of raising their childre."

"We were hard hearted and we were judgmental."

"Instead of justice there was wrongdoing."

"Today we accept responsibility for the pain, the suffering and grief reverberating through tens of thousands of Australian families."

Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, is now speaking of his own experiences with adoption and is paying tribute to Kathy Donnelly.

Ms Donnelly always believed Mr Abbott was the father of her son, Daniel, who was given up for adoption.

It was later confirmed that Mr Abbott was not the father.

"In the 1970s a person who was close to me had a baby who was adopted," Mr Abbott said.

Mr Abbott said he stood there with "a pang of guilt".

"Men in their lives who failed to live up to their responsibilities," Mr Abbott said.

"I never knew a more courageous and admirable person," Mr Abbott says of Ms Donnelly.

Union boss Paul Howes is in the audience. He spoke last year of the trauma he felt after he was adopted.

Paul Howes and Olivia Wirth at the National Apology for Forced Adoption in the Great Hall at Parliament House

Paul Howes and Olivia Wirth at the National Apology for Forced Adoption in the Great Hall at Parliament House Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Gillard is announcing $5 million to improve specialist support and records to help people trace their families and a further $1.5 million for the National Archives to record people's experiences in an exhibition.

She is paying tribute to people who came forward and told their stories to the Senate committee and to Greens Senator Rachel Siewert who was the chair.

"Saying 'sorry' is only ever complete when those who are wronged accept it," Ms Gillard says.

"Through your courage and grace, this time of neglect is over, and the work of healing can begin."

Prime Minister Julia Gillard delivered the National Apology for Forced Adoption

Prime Minister Julia Gillard delivered the National Apology for Forced Adoption Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Gillard: "My fellow Australians, no collection of words alone can undo all this damage."

"Or make whole the lives and families fractured by forced adoption. Or give back childhoods that were robbed of joy and laughter. Or make amends for the birthdays and Christmases and Mother's or Father's Days that only brought a fresh wave of grief and loss."

"But by saying sorry we can correct the historical wrong. That you loved your children and you always will."

"And to the children or forced adoption we can say that you deserved so much better. You deserved the chance to know and love your mother and father."

"We can promise you all that no generation of Australians will suffer the same pain and trauma you did."

 

Ms Gillard: "We are a great nation. But we must also be a good nation. Therefore we must face the negative features of our past without hesitation or reserve."

"This story had its beginnings in a wrongful belief that women could be separated from their babies and it would all be for the best."

"Instead these churches and charities, families, medial staff and bureaucrats struck at the most primal and sacred bond there is - the bond between a mother and baby."

"Too often they did not see their baby's face. They couldn't soothe his first cries. Never felt her warmth or smelt her skin. They could not give their own baby a name."

Members of the audience listen to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard deliver the apology

Members of the audience listen to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard deliver the apology Photo: Andrew Meares

Ms Gillard: "We resolve, as a nation, to do all in our power to make sure these practices are never repeated."

"In facing future challenges, we will remember the lessons of family separation."

"Our focus will be on protecting the fundamental rights of children and on the importance of the child's right to know and be cared for by his or her parents."

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, says the apology will later be moved in the House of Representatives and the Senate.

"To you, the mothers who were betrayed by a system that gave you no voice...we apologise....We know you have suffered enduring effects."

"We apologise to the sons and daugh who grew up not knowing you were wanted and loved."

"We acknowledge that the consequences of forced adoption practices continue to resonate though many many lives."

"Some families will be lost to one another forever."

"In particular we remember those victims who took their own lives."

Here is a link to the Senate committee report into forced adoptions that was the precursor to today's apology. It makes for harrowing and emotional reading.

The PM and Mr Abbott have both arrived for the apology.

There will be a welcome to country before they both speak.

Welcome to country ceremony at the National Apology for Forced Adoptions

Welcome to country ceremony at the National Apology for Forced Adoptions Photo: Andrew Meares

For people who would like to watch the service ABC News 24 and Sky News are both showing the apology to the victims of forced adoptions.

Senator Rachel Siewert hugs Sue Macdonald at the national apology for forced adoption in the Great Hall at Parliament House

Senator Rachel Siewert hugs Sue Macdonald at the national apology for forced adoption in the Great Hall at Parliament House Photo: Andrew Meares

The official occasion starts at 11am.

 

Video might have killed the radio star but not, it seems, the government's media reforms.

The clock is ticking down and the Minister for Communications, Stephen Conroy, hasn't given up.

"Discussions are still going," Senator Conroy says.

"[But] if it can't be agreed to be the end of the week we will move on."

Lenore Taylor has this story on where things stand.

Communications minister Senator Stephen Conroy launched the Museum Robot project at the National Museum of Australia in Canberra

Communications minister Senator Stephen Conroy launched the Museum Robot project at the National Museum of Australia in Canberra Photo: Andrew Meares

On the matter of governing - the National Disability Insurance Scheme has passed both houses of parliament.

 

Possibly it would have been easier not to talk about it at all, as was the tactic of the Minister for Climate Change, Greg Combet, a few minutes ago.

Mr Combet said there was nothing to be gained from his adding his two penneth worth.

A reporter said that leadership seems to be the elephant in the room.

Mr Combet, in his typical wry fashion, replied: "It seems to be running around a bit more broadly than that."

The Minister for Regional Development, Simon Crean, has gotten quite het up while trying to call on the Labor Party to unify, calling on destablisers to stop but stopping short of pledging his absolute loyalty to the PM.

Mr Crean scotched rumours that he was going to run on a leadership ticket with Kevin Rudd.

"We have to get the people who are destablising to stop and focus on the future," Mr Crean says.

"I think you stop the stalemate by getting people to pull back and understand it's in our interests to act in a more unified way....If Kevin Rudd had the numbers he would have challenged."

It seems like Mr Crean was well intentioned, trying to get people to fall in behind the leader and stop gossiping. But he came a bit unstuck when reporters started asking him how he would vote in a ballot.

Mr Crean refused to say on the - reasonable - grounds it was a hypothetical question. The problem with that strategy is that the story then becomes "Crean won't say he'll back Gillard".

 

Arts Minister Simon Crean launches the Regional Arts Fund National Strategic Projects at Parliament House

Arts Minister Simon Crean launches the Regional Arts Fund National Strategic Projects at Parliament House Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Just a quick run down on how the national apology for forced adoptions is going to work. The doors to the Great Hall of Parliament House will open at 10.30am allowing spectators time to find their seats.

The PM and the Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, will arrive at 11am and will both deliver addresses shortly thereafter.

It's going to be a sombre and moving occasion.

A Senate inquiry found as many as 250,000 babies were forcibly taken from their mothers - who were largely young and unmarried - from the 1950s until the 1970s.

William Hammersley has travelled from Melbourne for the occasion. His sign is indicative of the pain felt by people who were never given the chance to know their mothers.

"I hated my mother for 60 years," it says. "We have never met. She passed away before we could. I know the truth now Mum."

 

William Hammersley, who was forcefully taken from his mother at birth in 1952, came from Melbourne for the National Apology for Forced Adoption

William Hammersley, who was forcefully taken from his mother at birth in 1952, came from Melbourne for the National Apology for Forced Adoption Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Chief government whip and Rudd man Joel Fitzgibbon caused a bit of a stir when he swept through the press gallery last night.

His decision to go public earlier in the day (see the 11.31 post yesterday) saying there was no point denying MPs were discussing leadership angered supporters of the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard.

Graham Perrett - who holds the government's sixth most marginal seat - this morning called on Mr Fitzgibbon to put up or shut up: "They [agitators for change] need to either resign or re-sign.....If we're not one team, forget about."

Here is chief political correspondent Mark Kenny's take on where things stand and The Age's political editor Michael Gordon analysis of the lie of the land.

Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon exits the Press Gallery

Chief Government Whip Joel Fitzgibbon exits the Press Gallery Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Before I get underway with the news of the day I'd like to share this picture with you.

It was taken last night at a party to celebrate the 25th anniversary of gentleman reporter Paul Bongiorno's arrival in the press gallery. You would be familiar with his work for Channel 10.

Many happy returns Bonge! You even managed to achieve some bipartisan bonhomie.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott greets Treasurer Wayne Swan

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott greets Treasurer Wayne Swan Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

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  • This has either been a very clever and well delivered plan laid out by the ALP OR just another one of their very big stuff ups, given their past history, I believe it's yet another stuff up. Why clever, if it was all meant to go the way it was someone may ask? As Rudd has just stated, he would not run unless he had a vast majority of caucus. With no other candidates putting their hand up, the PM can walk out of the caucus meeting saying she has retained the Prime Ministership unanimously. So, was it a stuff up or well thought out plan?

    Commenter
    aussie41353
    Location
    Perth WA
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:40PM
  • Now if the dying conservative breed enjoy political circuses, imagine their delight when the bikie fom Mosman usurps the mad monk!
    Watch for the backlash the australian people will unleash in 2016.
    The howard years conservative influx due to immigration will not be enough to handle the necessary adjustment.

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    Aquarius1234
    Location
    TOORAK
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:34PM
  • The one who has come out of this looking like the statesman is Crean. If it was a "creamation" he did it, it was for the good of the party. He has my respect. Rudd reminds me of the boy taking his bat and ball and going home and Julia does not have the support or there wouldn't be so much talk about the leadership.

    Commenter
    hospas
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:29PM
  • Well done Labor. All you've succeeded in doing is giving Tony Abbott a free ride to the Lodge. You have helped him look decidedly Prime Ministerial as he found the minuscule empathy he is capable of to pretend to be on the side of the Australian people. Message to all Labor MPs: you are lemmings walking off the cliff. YOU will be the ones responsible for the Abbott era. I can only hope that he self destructs, but I have to say that he has shown infinitely more discipline than you. SHAME

    Commenter
    Dvantol
    Location
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    March 21, 2013, 7:29PM
  • Now K.Rudd is finished, this will protect Abbott from being replaced by M.Turnbull.

    If Rudd beat Julia, he may then go on to beat Abbott, however he cannot beat Turnbull.

    Commenter
    Sydney Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:29PM
  • Lets wait and see what happens in September

    Commenter
    Aquarius123
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:25PM
  • Kev's just faced the greatest moral challenge of his time, and failed dismally.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 7:18PM
    • Kevin's a wimp...Kevin's a wimp....!!!!

      Commenter
      Bill
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:24PM
    • Actually I think he did rather well..who on earth would volunteer to take over captaincy of a rapidly sinking ship?

      Commenter
      PP
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:36PM
  • Rudd is being very smart about this. He is going to let Gillard hang herself well and truly, which she will do at the election. He knows that even if he were drafted back as PM, that he would probably not win the election. He knows that whatever Labour does now, it will lose the election, and he doesn't want to be the PM to be blamed for losing it - he wants Gillard to have that honour!

    Commenter
    WillD
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    March 21, 2013, 7:00PM
    • No. The only conclusion to be drawn from this is that Rudd is a tease and a coward. He's basicly humiliated his most senior supporters. It won't be forgotten in a hurry.

      And as Crean said, he will be drafted in only after pigs fly - and that was BEFORE today's shenanigans.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
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      March 21, 2013, 7:21PM
  • Abbott is calling for an early election without any policies..can he be that ARROGANT?..Does he take us for mugs?...lets see the media focus on abbott for once..if murdoch allows them that is.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:53PM
    • All of this dysfunction is hurting on the ground, and I applaud Abbott for calling for an early election to at least end the uncertainty. Lets get a government with the mandate to govern, and then no matter whether we agree or not with them maybe they will at least be able to implement things without worrying about people like Katter and Thompson who are NOT representative of any large group of Australians.

      As far as the policy stuff, I don't understand all this Labor talk about our policies, our policies. It doesn't matter how good the policy is, if they cant implement it effectively then its not a good policy at all. It doesn't matter how good a product looks and sounds, if it doesn't sell its a lemon.

      Commenter
      KB
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:24PM
    • Hmmm - you posted this comment only 30 minutes before. Raises the suspicion that you are an ALP staffer, does it not?

      Commenter
      The Magus
      Location
      Coffs Harbour
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:39PM
    • How this "They have no policies" hasn't been cut off sooner I have no idea...

      Their Real Solutions document (available on the Liberal webpage) is 52 pages long and lists all the policy priorities. When they get 2 seconds to stop pointing out the Labor party's flaws the door stops are also discussing their policies.

      It's just pure lies to say they haven't released any policies!

      Commenter
      mtown
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:43PM
  • Today, Julia Gillard regained my respect. She called it exactly right by saying either support me or shut up. Well done. Now, can we please go back to business at hand. That is: running this country in the interest of all....rather than self interest of a few.

    Commenter
    gingerlily
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    March 21, 2013, 6:53PM
    • that would be a new one for the ALP which is run principly for the benefit of union leaders

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      A Bodhi Nuisance
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      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:07PM
  • Mr Crean,obviously has read about Judas Iscariot,however in reverse.How,last March,he said that Mr Rudd was unstable,bordering megalomania,and today for him Rudd is the man to back for the leadership.INCOMPETENT PROFESSIONALS MASQUERADING AS PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS.

    Commenter
    Ruth.T.
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:46PM
  • Here's the reality. Whether it was a set up or not, Rudd has been completely outplayed once again by Gillard. She's ten times as tough as him. I was glad to see the back of him the first time, but she has been so terrible I was prepared to give him another go with enthuesiasm as long as he had a good deputy like Simon Crean to 'balance' him. So Kevin, here's what I think right now. Time to leave us all in peace and resign. The 'Saviour' who never arrives, but makes endless mischief from behind the scenes is a very tiring scenario for those of us who want the Labor party to be great again. Tiresome little boys that never grew up and have an endless need for attention anyway they can get it are just that...tiresome. Now please go away and let Julia stuff it all up on her own.

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:46PM
  • Today was supposed to be the day that sales of newspapers was reduced through legislation.

    Instead all the government has done today is sell more papers, and further trash their reputation.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:43PM
  • Yawn. There Abbott stands, pleased as punch, as he watches the Labor circus resolve its "issues" which are now revealed to be without any great substance. And yet he can't help himself but stir it up some more. You go, lad. You keep on stirring, because that will keep the spotlight off you, your own self serving agenda and your own motley band of barely loyal flunkies. If there is one thing that has been forgotten over the last weeks it is what will HIS future government be like? Now, it really is time to shine the spotlight back on the Abbott coalition, while they hide in the shadows of the teetering Labor edifice.

    Commenter
    craven, eh?
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:39PM
  • Well known chess move Julia, but you are supposed to sacrifice a knight rather than a pawn like crean

    Commenter
    chessman
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:38PM
    • It seems to me that Crean may have played the fall guy for Gillard to force Kevin Rudd's hand. I'm sure in the long run it will come to be seen that Gillard and Crean were acting together

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:50PM
  • I notice that all press conferences from both party leaders were the same.
    Spin, spin and more spin.

    Commenter
    Nicco
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:38PM
  • Churchill's immortal words come t mind "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
    This is not the end of destabilization of Gillard from within and it is certainly not the end of her lumbering from one bad decision to another (Media control bills the most recent). It is however the end of the beginning as no one is now likely to challenge Gillard before an election meaning that those within Labor would rather hurtle off the cliff with Gillard than serve one day under Rudd.
    And this makes them a party worthy of being in government? Hope the independents take the only right & just course and make this government face the people soon.

    Commenter
    MVF
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    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:35PM
  • So many rusted-on Labor voters. Do you hear yourselves???

    Commenter
    Rusty
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:34PM
    • Only because the alternative is so horrible to even contemplate

      Commenter
      Erwin
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:22PM
  • The whole leadership debate has been orchestrated by the MSM, I wish they would now give it a rest.
    And I'd also like to see a similar level of blow torch applied to the Coalition - as a matter of policy they present a small target and the MSM obligingly make them a smaller target.
    Disgusting!!

    Commenter
    CallItLikeItIs
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:33PM
  • This thing will be over when and if Julia Gillard lifts her electoral standing. She has not won a Nielsen poll since the 2010 election. Her governance is a shambles that responds only to polls and shenanigans within the caucus.

    The media reforms were not a bad idea, just the usual terrible execution accompanied by a refusal to negotiate followed by negotiation.

    HMS Gillard may be the first case in history of a ship that has to go down with its captain.

    Commenter
    Way Out West
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:32PM
  • Can't help feeling that Crean went kamazi to flush Rudd out. Could not see Crean working with Rudd after all the vitroil he said about Rudd last time there was a challenge on. Labour are on the way to a hiding in the next election no matter how "tough" Gillard is or much she not going to "flinch". The public just do not like her.

    Commenter
    davos
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:29PM
  • How can abbott call for an early election when he has NO policies?..is he that ARROGANT?

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:25PM
  • J Fraser, just an open question for you. Why do you always refer to Abbott as "Slick Abbott", I just don't get it. The guy is anything but slick. If anything he comes across as a bumbling over aggressive fool. Whoever the leader is it won’t stop me voting Liberal because I vote on the general philosophy of a party but I have to say your constant referral to Abbott as “slick” makes so little sense you do sound a bit of a peanut.

    Commenter
    Confused
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:24PM
  • Keep looking on the bright side Australia...There's only 4248 hours till the election.

    Commenter
    zac48
    Location
    Melb.
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:22PM
    • what then ? 1000 nights of torture in Abbottown ?

      Commenter
      owlet
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:35PM
  • The australian people require and deserve a government that will provide leadership and practical policies. This Labor government will surely not be returned as the chaos has ruled out any good they have done. Before we rush headlong into the arms of a Liberal government, the opposition should treat us as adults and explain what their plan is other than headline grabs to get rid of a mining tax, the carbon tax and turn back the boats. It's time that we understand what we will be voting for rather than just voting to get rid of Labor.

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    Sean R
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    March 21, 2013, 6:21PM
    • Very true Jo, he is one of the more gentlemanly of politicians. However in this case it was more calculated.

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:19PM
    • Very true Jo, he is one of the more gentlemanly of politicians. However in this case it was more calculated.

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:19PM
  • Crean thought he was made of something and impressionable -clearly, given his inability to 'move' the caucus- he isn't. Gillard is not "tough' by real standards. She is paid well and will have a life pension to show for it. Rudd is a self-styled primadonna. Compared to former Foreign Ministers he is an intellectual and diplomatic lightweight. I would like to see more of Greg Combet and Malcolm Turnbull.

    Commenter
    Roblet
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:19PM
  • How can a party who can not govern themselves, govern a country?

    I am concerned about the nxt election. I am not an Abbott fan though we can not let this rabble mis-govern our country any longer.

    Australian politics is at an all time low.

    Commenter
    Dan
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:17PM
  • Sack Crean, sack Fitzgibbon, sack Rudd (shame they can't). On the day of the forced ADOPTION APOLOGY - SHAME on the aforementioned men.

    Commenter
    moon
    Location
    central coast
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:15PM
  • And a collective groan was heard across the nation.

    Commenter
    DDH
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    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:13PM
    • Totally agree. Crean took one for the team. Rudd didn't have the numbers and so he didn't nominate, what a gutless bastard, trying to maintain that he was sticking to his principles. What a load of rot. If he had a majority of one he would have stood, he didn't want to know how hated he is by a majority of his colleagues. He and his cronies should just go back to their electorates and do the job of being a good member. That is the surest way to get re-elected.

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      Rosko
      Location
      Hobart
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:09PM
    • Totally agree. Crean took one for the team. Rudd didn't have the numbers and so he didn't nominate, what a gutless bastard, trying to maintain that he was sticking to his principles. What a load of rot. If he had a majority of one he would have stood, he didn't want to know how hated he is by a majority of his colleagues. He and his cronies should just go back to their electorates and do the job of being a good member. That is the surest way to get re-elected.

      Commenter
      Rosko
      Location
      Hobart
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:09PM
    • Of course he did not say anything bad, because he is a gentleman.

      Commenter
      Jo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:07PM
    • Of course he did not say anything bad, because he is a gentleman.

      Commenter
      Jo
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:07PM
  • I wish Kevin resigns from Parliament and politics.

    I think that's the only to stabilise the labor party.

    While he is still , the bitterness continues.

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    Jo
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:05PM
    • Agreed.

      Commenter
      Riverman
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      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:18PM
    • You what?

      Commenter
      Terry Hills of Terrey Hills
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      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:28PM
    • Rudd showed integrity. Something lacking in almost all facets of our current community. When the writing on the wall is writ large, he will be begged by caucus to lead the Labor party to an election victory. The alternative is nothing short of horrendous to any thinking voter.

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      Greg
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      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:46PM
    • Agree, Moreover, Kevin Rudd is a spoilt little brat who couldn't get the numbers probably because he was a loose cannon and too unpredictable when in office, he hasn't been forgiven, simple as that. Today's wrangling suggests whatever he did when he was PM upset the party faithful, the voter who don't know this think he is wonderful, what a weird lot we all are as a nation, it's me me me Punch and Judy politics leading us nowhere. What will the press have to write about tomorrow?..... no leadership crisis, only joking.

      Commenter
      timjackelton
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:50PM
  • If anyone has proven they have the intestinal fortitude that is required in a leader to lead this country, then surely Prime Minister Gillard has shown herself to be the only one to have that. Heads and shoulders, she's the only one to have to battle not only the enemy within but the maintained the good fight for what she truly believes. Now more than ever, I believe she is the one who should be the leader of this country.

    Commenter
    CR
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:03PM
    • agreed ... she is tough and smart and she has intestinal fortitude ...

      Commenter
      juileep
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:12PM
    • What has that got to do with good government. The woman is poison and she is infecting every corner of the nation. What a farce. Self interest is gillards most tightly held principle. Its her only principle. Resign you selfish woman. For the sake of the nation Resign.

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:19PM
    • And if anyone proved they're not up to it, it's Kevin Rudd. Twice he's had the chance to hold the job and twice he's squibbed it. His supporters, whoever they were, need to decline to stand for re-election.

      Commenter
      Long Xuyen
      Location
      Viet Nam
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:26PM
    • Couldn't agree more!
      And what does it say about Australia's gutter main steam media that they could never accept that Rudd meant a promise to be a promise kept. How could that be? Politicians always lie, the media assumed. They can't be trusted. That's media itself!
      Faux conspiracy after conspiracy. Faux Labor leadership challenge after challenge. And he never intended to all along.
      Surely Australians deserve better from their media and its treatment of politics. How about now filling the vast amount of space your specious speculation has occupied for so long with some facts about the many significant achievements of this government, contrary to loser Abbott's and his whining puppy Pyne's jaundiced and deceitful view? How refreshing that would be.
      And if you must indulge in leadership speculation, how about some focus on Abbott's!
      I dream on!

      Commenter
      CliffB
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:26PM
    • I have always wanted to live in Italy and now I sort of really do. Molto Bem. I know it's called Sydney or Siderneee but the politics are all Italian and now very much ours. Bucket loads of bull blended with craters full of corruption with all the players saying who me ? I am loyal to the leader......for the next five minutes.....but the only real loyalty is to me, me , me. A pox on all your houses and Milne as for your poisonous comments...thanks for letting me know who you actually are. You'll get my vote in the mail attached to a suppository

      Commenter
      wizened and wise
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:27PM
    • +1
      Well said. Ms Julia Gillard, you are one tough leader. I may not always agree with your decisions, but I respect your courage and strength of character. Rock on Julia, rock on!

      Commenter
      Arcadia
      Location
      Frankston South
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:27PM
    • I agree, we have leader that leads but lacks followers, there in lies the problem, we didn't help by wimping at the last election to give her a majority, instead we shackled her, so is the present unrest hers or ours,
      and didn't we want something done about pollution for our children, yes we did, we voted Kev in but he stalled we he should have led, so she picked up the batten, and delivered, now you want to kick her or it, she is not the problem, We Are,

      Commenter
      AW
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:30PM
    • What is it you people don't understand? Being "tough" and "smart" and "determined" has absolutely nothing to do with "good" leadership....Stalin, Fidel Castro and Adolf Hitler were tough, smart and determined.....The subjective, emotional values with which women like yourselves are so influenced is the very reason that throughout history women were never given the vote.

      Commenter
      zac48
      Location
      Melb.
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:33PM
    • If it was a set up it won't stabilise the Labor Party as there is continual disfunction.
      This week we saw how silly Conroy's media law reform bills were and how ill prepared Labor were to negotiate them through Parliament.
      Roll on Sep 14th.

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:33PM
    • This comment reminds me of the person, when asked "why do you keep banging your head against the wall?", replied "because it feels good when I stop!".

      Commenter
      GeoffWhere
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:36PM
    • She stands head and shoulders above the rest as would a cockraoch in a swarm of fleas.

      Commenter
      AG
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:38PM
    • Too true, she has the heart and stomach of a King , and a King of England too.The courage of a lion and the fortitude and patience of a saint.

      Commenter
      Kane
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:58PM
    • a back stabbing big mining suck up who got the job twice by betraying 1st Rudd then making dodgy deals with independants and ur patting her on the back?
      no wonder the world is a mess......

      where is the tax the miners are supposed to be paying??? ill tell you, its in the electoral accounts of those backing Gillard!

      Commenter
      binyapaul
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:59PM
    • CR - Are you sure ? I suppose you would also endorse Michael Clarke as a great leader. Abbott may not be a better option , only time will tell , but seriously , how can you rate Gillard.

      Commenter
      Joffa
      Location
      Lane Cove
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:42PM
    • Tis a shame she and her party are so bloody incompetent htough !!

      Commenter
      Charles
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:48PM
  • Can the destabilizers WAKE UP!? You are destabilizing the govt for far too long.

    We want the govt to continue doing its good job.

    So enough of the bitterness

    Commenter
    Jo
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:03PM
  • Can't agree that this was a set up. Crean did this with conviction, with genuine concern and as a true statesman. While he didn't put down Gillard he could see the writing on the wal;, it's bad for Labour. The aftermath will show that this is really bad for the government because the caucus is caught up with personal views and the fact they don't like KRudd and are that they can't work with him, rather than putting the country first and establishing a highly experienced team which will be unbeatable of a reformed Rudd and convincing Deputy in Crean who is a man of substance, and this will provide legitimacy to the party, as he won't be a puppet number 2. It's too irresistable, the cards will fall sooner or later and maybe we will get some decent governing. I was a traditional Liberal voter, but Liberal don't have what it takes this time around, too much BS in both camps and little credibility at present.

    Commenter
    Frank
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:03PM
    • Rudd squibbed it. He should quit.

      Commenter
      Peter Warrington
      Location
      Marrickville
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:34PM
  • Perhaps it was a setup...
    But a necessary one in view of the continuous inventions by the press in order to create a perception of instability in th Labor party.
    Well the vote for Gillard was unopposed ,there was no story, lets move on and let Gillard continue to govern this nation without this manufactured rubbish for a change.

    Commenter
    AustraliaFirst
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:03PM
    • nothing has been resolved... we are still in exactly the same position we were in yesterday... Rudd is still waiting for the PM to give up and a sizeable number of Labor MPs (probably the majority) know Gillard cannot lead the ALP to an election victory.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:42PM
  • How embarrassing Australian politics now is.....like watching a bunch of primary schoolers trying ditch their school captain......actually thats too harsh....i sincerely apologise to all the primary schoolers out there.

    Commenter
    dave
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 6:00PM
    • Yes, it's bad and embarrassing. Would you prefer Berlusconi? Putin? Sarkozy?

      Commenter
      lola
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:05PM
  • Very clever politics on Rudd's part. Gillard's popularity will fall even further in the next opinion polls. Rudd will then be drafted rather than 'challenge' - probably around budget time.

    Commenter
    Tony R
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:59PM
  • Rudd's so narcissistic. The party has to come to him hat in hand and beg and Julia has to stand down? Doesn't this remind you of the other great bottler of Australian politics, Peter Costello? The PM who never was, or never tried. Same mold. He's left Fitzgibbon and Crean looking ridiculous and diminished. Narcissists always destroy those who believe in them. At least Fitzgibbon has clearly given up on him, hope he doesn't get sucked in again. He can salvage some dignity by resigning his position forthwith rather than 'thinking' about it for six weeks. He's history, a 'Kevin' casuality. What a bloody waste of my day!

    Commenter
    Riverman
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:58PM
  • POWER - not only without Glory but without honour, decency, morality OR a clear mandate from the people of Australia. Also without precedent in a Western democracy. Disgusting!

    Commenter
    Epicurist
    Location
    Elysian Fields
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:57PM
    • Yours is a believable theory.

      Commenter
      yyss
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:57PM
    • Yours is a believable theory.

      Commenter
      yyss
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:57PM
  • STOP THE PRESS!!!

    Christine Milne is the new PM.

    She is going to deliver funding for GONSKI, she is going to deliver NDIS.

    Or so she says... Wouls someone please tell her!

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:56PM
  • As an overseas Aussie looking in, politics in Australia has become an embarrassment.

    Whether Gillard or Rudd, the reality is that Labor lost the ability to govern effectively a long time ago. Policy after policy is watered down and compromised to satisfy a handful of Independents. Real governing has become a sideshow to the main Circus event playing out almost daily. The only people who are impacted by this are the people of Australia. Labor is clinging desperately to Government however I doubt it is for the good of the people.

    Enough is enough - the people should be allowed to decide now. Australia needs a government that is free to govern.

    Commenter
    Andrew Smith
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:56PM
    • It's a minority coalition government. What do you expect? As such, and in the face of a rabid, aggressive, bullying opposition the like of which we have never seen before in Australia, the government has done remarkably well to push through major reforms. In comparison just look at the weak coalitions in Italy or even the UK. And God help us all when Abbott gets in. . . you've got no idea of what depths of embarrassment are in store.

      Commenter
      craven, eh?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:49PM
    • Subtle mind? I like that. Thank you Bill. You will notice you answered your own question in your assessment of my contention. I will add to that, the fact that this has also taken attention away from the recently failed media reforms bills.

      What a laugh this government is...

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:55PM
    • Subtle mind? I like that. Thank you Bill. You will notice you answered your own question in your assessment of my contention. I will add to that, the fact that this has also taken attention away from the recently failed media reforms bills.

      What a laugh this government is...

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:55PM
  • What an embarrassment to the nation, little own the Labor Party. For the sake of the country, call am election now.

    Commenter
    Martin Says
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:55PM
  • Old Jo used to throw the Media chook food and that's exactly what happened today. Abbott and that so called 2ic of his took the bait and spoke pure rubbish in their attempt to bring the election forward. Whether people like Julia or not has become central to all issues but it's time all that changed. Let's start to make the Opposition accountable, to-date they've ranted and raved about what Labor has/is doing wrong but haven't shown ONE PIECE of actual responsible alternative policy going forward. Everything Abbott and his poor front bench talk is out of Sir Handrahand, please see them for what they represent and believe me it's not everyday Australians.

    Commenter
    RGS
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:54PM
    • Shameless political stunt is the
      only way to describe the
      'Challenge that never was'.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:09PM
    • I think you may not understand how politics works in a two-party (ignore minor parties with zero hope of governing) system. One party either has sufficient numbers in the people house to form government or forms government with the help of a minor party or independents. The party with the second largest number of representatives in the house becomes the Opposition. Their sole duty is to oppose those pieces of legislation they do not believe in (and remember that the current opposition has voted with the government on much of its legislation as oppositions ordinarily do). No opposition is required to produce policy until the parliament is dissolved prior to an election day. This has not yet happened. Why would an opposition release policies before they are due and risk the government cherry picking the good ideas. Anyone with a modicum of comprehension should be able to read policies of both sides prior to the election day and make up their mind.

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:20PM
  • I believe that this afternoons fiasco was wholly orchestrated by the Labor Party. To put an end to the uncertainty, and make it appear to the public, that there is stability leading up to the election.

    Commenter
    eastbankflowers
    Location
    Cooloola Cove
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:53PM
    • That's what quite a few commentators are inferring. Even the ABC are saying what a farce the whole thing was. Challenge - what challenge? Pity they couldn't have left it out of Harmony Day, but then Labor stuff everything up. Gillard's "Tuff" act is becoming boring - we don't give a toss about that , just want a PM who does what they are elected to do and does it efficiently and competently and doesn't spend all their time on power plays and lecturing the voters. At least it stopped people talking about yet another failure in the dropped media reforms.

      Commenter
      Magwitch
      Location
      Briz
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:13PM
  • Has cowardly Kevin blown his chances ?

    How could he not have a go ?

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:53PM
    • I couldn't stop laughing at how Julia rolled right over all of Rudds supporters and won the day with her quick action on Simon Crean's "defection" LOL

      Commenter
      Helen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:51PM
    • I couldn't stop laughing at how Julia rolled right over all of Rudds supporters and won the day with her quick action on Simon Crean's "defection" LOL

      Commenter
      Helen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:51PM
  • Looks like Gillard is the only one who wants to be captain of a sinking ship. I'm not sure what that says about her or anyone else in her party. She holed it (or maybe it was sabotaged from within), but no one else has the guts (or desire) to try and fix it. I suppose at least she has guts but I can't see any outcome other than the ship sinking with the loss of many.

    Commenter
    nick
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:50PM
  • If Gillard, Swan, Conroy and her staunch supporters believe that the so called "overwhelming " support in re-electing them unopposed as PM & deputy PM are only fooling themselves. There is probably only about a dozen or so die hard Gillard supporters who are prepared to go down with the PM despite the apparent dire situation they find themselves. Clearly, with Crean, who is a "true believer" and a Labor elder who has now showed his hand by supporting Rudd will make things extremely difficult. I think things will come to a final conclusion when Bob Carr returns from the US. Even with the latest internet poll, Rudd is well ahead of Gillard and the rest of the field. Gillard will have many many more sleepless nights.

    Commenter
    GSM
    Location
    Chatswood, NSW
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:48PM
  • And how would the right winged agenda driven print and electronic media like their egg on their face served ? Scrammbled poached or sunny side up ? Tools the lot of you. You've been exposed as the rabid no journo's that you are. Now focus on Abbott and his non policy hasbeens !

    Commenter
    Tibstar
    Location
    Warringah
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:47PM
  • Only this disfunctional government could organise a spill and vote without a vote....

    The train wreck continues...

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:47PM
  • Many thanks go to The Pulse team ... including those Editors behind the scenes who work hard to bring "Comments" live.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:46PM
    • Here here...

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:12PM
    • Yes, well done.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:22PM
  • Why are stupid people allowed to comment?

    The country is not 'wrecked' and Julia Gillard is no more a liar than any other politician in history.

    My two cents worth...Kevin Rudd has proved himself unreliable and if Australia elects Tony Abbott in September - the ALP will have no-one to blame but themselves.

    Finally...I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I think the PM was thinking 'sought'.

    Commenter
    Caroline
    Location
    Qld
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:44PM
  • This business is not at the end. It's at the beginning of the end.

    Commenter
    Davo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:41PM
    • @Simon: Get rid of members who have the capability of doing the job, the experienced ones, and let the really stupid ones from the unions run the country. Very clever. Not!

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:40PM
    • @Simon: Get rid of members who have the capability of doing the job, the experienced ones, and let the really stupid ones from the unions run the country. Very clever. Not!

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:40PM
  • Mr Abbott says the Coalition has very very clear and positive plans. Could you please articulate for me what those clear and positive plans are Tony, together with costings and implementation strategies?

    Commenter
    jeneedubois
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:40PM
    • Maybe he could use the Business Plan and costings for the NBN as a template. Oh..that's right...forgot.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:44PM
    • His vision to provide a competent govt that doesn't keep stuffing things up... if he does this and nothing else... that's an improvement...

      Commenter
      boutros.zalloua
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:01PM
  • It's been another fantastic day for Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

    She beat all comers on both sides of the House.

    "Slick" Abbott, Bishop (the younger) and Warren Truss all left standing on the wrong side of the chamber with crow feathers hanging off them.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:37PM
    • Can the PM win over the people of Australia between now and Sep 14?

      This Labor voter says no.

      What about you J Fraser, will you still be employed by the government social media team?

      Commenter
      Opinion Only
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:46PM
    • And you call this a 'fantastic' day. Delusions of grandeur personify the ALP and the comical JFraser or as my daughter would say 'grasping at straws much?'

      Commenter
      WorkingMother
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:48PM
    • Name calling really?

      Commenter
      fatdunky
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:50PM
    • I heartily agree. PM Gillard will win the next election in spades.

      Commenter
      Bennopia
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:05PM
    • Yep, now we're doomed. I had a brief sliver of hope Kevin might be ablesave the NBN, but no. Down with the ship it goes.

      Commenter
      andrew
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:09PM
    • Yep she had a great day - needed a technicality to survive the no-confidence vote, lost the support of the independents, forced to sack a senior minister, and now at the head of an even bigger shambles moonlighting as a government. Hope there is many more great days like this.

      Commenter
      Divot
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:15PM
    • J Fraser Unfortunately this won't get printed you down "Gender card Gillard" is a disgrace to her party and to the country. If you consider the shambles over the media legislation that has just taken place evidence of good government you are a bigger fool than you come across as being in your infantile diatribes

      Commenter
      Ian
      Location
      Fremantle
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:44PM
    • J.Fraser, Today's Labor stunt was nearly as bad as the Whitlam dismissal stunt on the parliament house steps.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Safe Labor seat
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:09PM
  • Gee "hac ka" you really are a glutton for crow.

    Still the neo conservatives will probably be able to serve up crow in a myriad of ways because they have had so much practice these last 2 + years.

    Take some crow scones with you they are sure to be a hit with the old Nats.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:34PM
    • What an incredibly subtle mind you have!
      Your contention is that the leadership challenge was a setup by Gillard and Crean in order to silence the rumours of leadership challenge by Rudd's backers and the media?
      So from where did the leadership rumours emanate? Are you saying that Gillard and Crean pushed the rumours so they could destabilise Gillard or so they could destabilise Rudd, or was it all just the media making mountains out of molehills, or did that Machiavellian pair, Gillard and Rudd just invent the whole thing so Abbott could coast into he job?

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:33PM
    • What an incredibly subtle mind you have!
      Your contention is that the leadership challenge was a setup by Gillard and Crean in order to silence the rumours of leadership challenge by Rudd's backers and the media?
      So from where did the leadership rumours emanate? Are you saying that Gillard and Crean pushed the rumours so they could destabilise Gillard or so they could destabilise Rudd, or was it all just the media making mountains out of molehills, or did that Machiavellian pair, Gillard and Rudd just invent the whole thing so Abbott could coast into he job?

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:33PM
    • She fired him to give it legitimacy...all part of the plan...

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:31PM
    • She fired him to give it legitimacy...all part of the plan...

      Commenter
      Stackde
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:31PM
    • @Lippy Queen.
      You want a moratorium on opinion polls?
      Media control?
      You want that?
      Remember what George Orwell wrote: "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations."

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:31PM
  • It has always been about Julia. Strong and tough? Yes. Australia first and the LaborParty second? No. Selfish person

    Commenter
    Naught
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:31PM
  • If the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad are still hungry there are some crow scones over there.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:30PM
    • Wow, only you could take this as a win for Labor. I'll give you one thing. You are very consistent.

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:47PM
    • I'll save my serving for you to eat in September J Fraser. They'll taste even better then.

      Commenter
      PP
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:15PM
  • Most relieved person after all this drama is not Julia, but it's Tony.he must be jumping up and down with joy. C'on Tony. after the labor circus, country is ready for liberal show.

    Commenter
    Malhar
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:26PM
    • a nice conspiracy theory and so far out there it just might be true!

      Commenter
      nick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:25PM
    • a nice conspiracy theory and so far out there it just might be true!

      Commenter
      nick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:25PM
    • If that were true she wouldn't have sacked Crean. Are you all that stupid really? They are a party that doesn't know what to do. They don't know how to save their own bacon and all they really know is that a majority of them will be collection parliamentary pensions on September 15.

      Commenter
      the Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:25PM
    • If that were true she wouldn't have sacked Crean. Are you all that stupid really? They are a party that doesn't know what to do. They don't know how to save their own bacon and all they really know is that a majority of them will be collection parliamentary pensions on September 15.

      Commenter
      the Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:25PM
    • I agree but I think it was more of a con job over the Australian public rather than K.Rudd. The whold thing was a farce.
      This so called "Governemnt" has nothing better to do than stunts.

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:24PM
    • I agree but I think it was more of a con job over the Australian public rather than K.Rudd. The whold thing was a farce.
      This so called "Governemnt" has nothing better to do than stunts.

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:24PM
  • Tough choice which party to join tonight. The parties at Fairfax, News and SkyNews, or the party at Liberal HQ.

    There will be no party under the government Julia leads, what a farce.

    Richo called it the worst day in his 38 years of Labor membership.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:24PM
  • in a sense
    this was the ultimate revenge for rudd
    public opinion tells the story he doesn't stand up
    he likes seeing her crumble...

    Commenter
    womack
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:24PM
    • So.......you obviously think he's an incompetent galah then.

      Commenter
      seebreez
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
  • 5:17pm: The PM: "I"m grateful to my colleagues for their continuing support of me."

    "I accept their continued support with a sense of deep humility and resolve."

    "I only ever sort office in the interests of the nation."

    Sort? Really? Another for the Gillard education revolution queue.

    Commenter
    Hasbeen
    Location
    Umina
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
    • Or the journo who transcribed it. don't they use subs any more?

      Commenter
      Norbert
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:30PM
    • I believe she said "sought" - the correct word!!

      Commenter
      Tango
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:05PM
  • In the immortal words of Sir Humphrey, Simon Crean's decision can best be described as "Courageous...."

    Commenter
    Norbert
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
  • Now will the liberal murdoch muckracking media finally stop spreading lies about another challenged and focus on Abbott for once?..in a word NO!!

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
    • NO
      We can see straight through today's stunt. Sorry, it didn't fool anyone.

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:39PM
    • You have to be joking mate, and dont expect this paper to change its current Liberal bent either with its newest board member representative. Australians had better realize that they are voting for an Gina/Abbott govt. and not Abbott/Bishop!

      Commenter
      Mark
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:46PM
    • How could you possibly think that the newspapers or Coalition had anything to do with the Labor caucus and its leadership spill. Surely today proves beyond a doubt how the speculation was in fact valid, and that anybody claiming there was no grumblings in the ALP party room was full of it

      Commenter
      KB
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:38PM
  • Well, I wouldn't have thought that recruiting for the captain's job on the Titanic was going to be easy ...

    Commenter
    HR
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
  • Kevin Rudd kept to his word. unlike the current prime minister who at a moments notice stood up mand drove the knife into his back just to take the top job. Much respect for Mr Rudd, no respect for Ms Gillard.

    Commenter
    Judgeos
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
    • You really think if he had the numbers he wouldn't have stood? He did exactly the same thing the first time when Gillard challenged him and he didn't have the numbers. He's a bottler.

      Commenter
      Riverman
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:34PM
    • Agreed, and yes he would have had the numbers.

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:55PM
  • I guess we all have to go back to coping with 5% unemployment, lowest interest rates for a generation, minor budget deficit and a strong dollar. Whereas under Rudd things would have been so much better.

    Commenter
    asdf
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
    • Add to that highest electricity prices, water prices, gas prices, private health costs, child care costs and costs of living only going up. But what does labor do, stick the boot in with taxes, bad policy failures and adding to the cost of living. Go tell that achievement to the sectors of the community which are struggling.

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:36PM
    • @Dave - god I hope you are one of the many who will be savaged when this utter insult Liberal gets in. I will be laughing out loud as you are left gobsmacked at the arrogance towards his hoodwinked supporters and pandering towards Gina and Co. I would also suppose that you currently are fully employed and with a roof over your head and therefore have been spared the worst of the GFC fallout.....unlike many others in developed nations. Boo Hoo for you...fool!

      Commenter
      Mark
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:10PM
  • "I only ever sort office in the interests of the nation."

    That should be "sought" not "sort".

    Commenter
    DSC
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:20PM
    • I'm guessing the writer didn't have as much time on their hands as you. How many times did you check that before hitting send?

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:49PM
    • @Danno
      Just the once ... I can actually read.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:10PM
  • If the backstabber persists in pestering you, either ignore them or tell them dispassionately that you do not want to do (insert activity here).

    Very messy ALP full of backstabbers and liars even Rudd doesn't trust his own party.

    Commenter
    Western Sydney Guy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • What an unbelievable waste of everybody's time! Full points to Kevin for opposing a bloody coup however incredibly frustrating that the ALP cannot see the writing on the wall... although perhaps it's a bit difficult to see through all the egg on their faces. Good or bad, Kevin is your only hope. Swallow your medicine and pave the way for a smooth handover, then let the people decide in Sept. Julia, please just go quietly and with some mediocum of dignity. Enough is enough.

    Commenter
    Fustrated
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • I wonder when the next poll says 20% for labor what then, Labor looks sillier by the minute.

    Commenter
    Kenn
    Location
    Ballarat
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • I believe the Prime Minister of Australia Julia Gillard was heard singing :

    " Harmony and me
    were pretty good company"

    "Slick" Abbott was apparently heard to ask if he had to eat the feathers as well.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:16PM
    • You really are quite boring J.Fraser

      Commenter
      Danno
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:51PM
    • Replace the word "quite" with "mind numbingly" and you nailed it.

      Commenter
      PP
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:58PM
  • The problem is that the electorate doesn't trusts Julia Gillard because she doesn't keep her word. By Kevin Rudd keeping his word he only strengthens his position.

    Commenter
    PR
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:15PM
  • Rudd....the great used car salesman

    Commenter
    genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:13PM
    • Would you like a plate of crow pie with that used car "genghis".

      There is also BBQ crow ... that is if the rest of the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad haven't eaten it all.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:28PM
  • A great example of the circus that is the Labor Government. Disgrace, disgrace, disgrace. Give us an election now!

    Commenter
    Pete1
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:12PM
    • On behalf of all men I am sorry we are ALL sexist

      Commenter
      genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
  • Gillard couldn't possibly lose. All she has to is threaten to resign from parliament if deposed. That would cause the government to fall and they would ALL LOSE THEIR JOBS. Bit of a no-brainer really.

    Commenter
    Hertz Van Rental
    Location
    Warwick
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:10PM
    • @Kate: Get the chip off your shoulder, lady. Gillard is top of the list for the ALP, and that is about the top job in Australian politics. Reaching that position is certainly admirable, and I am a 70 year old liberal voting male. The problem is not Julia as such, it is the package we have mal-administering our country. Sure she makes mistakes, probably less than I would, but then again, she is the Prime Minister, I am not. I expect her to do the job a hell of a lot better than she is at present.

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:10PM
    • No Rudd is gutless, and apparently only 20 or so are stupid.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:10PM
  • So there really wasn't a challange after all. After abbott's offensive comments at the apology how long before there is a challenge to him - there has to be so that we do have a choice.

    Commenter
    Barry
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:09PM
  • Fitzgibbon shouldn't need 6 weeks, he should just resign. He's an incompetent galah, he's not in the ministry because hes an incompetent galah, and hes cluelessly trashing the Government he notionally supports because hes an incompetent galah.

    He can take Bowen with him too.

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:08PM
    • So.......you obviously think he's an incompetent galah then.

      Commenter
      seebreez
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
  • This is a set up by Crean and Gillard, they wanted Rudd to take the bait in order for K-Rudd and the Media to shut up...everyone was played as fools and Crean will get his job back....he's just taken one for the team. p.s. Rudd didn't fall for it. You will notice that Crean never said anything bad about Gillard....

    Commenter
    Stackde
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:08PM
  • Dear Mainstream media. Can you just back it up, get on with the job of reporting real news now and stop trying to make this a thing? Woman's trying to run a country here and you're not helping. You're embarrassing yourself MSM.

    Commenter
    Sam Antics
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:08PM
    • Time to turn the spotlight on no-policies-Abbott. The constant leadership challenge stories are boring.

      We have an election in just a few months and there has been very little coverage of what the coalition plans to inflict on us. They are going to get elected just because everyone is sick of Labor's antics, not because they will have demonstrated that they are a better alternative. What exactly can we make a real decision on? Get the leadership rubbish off the front page and focus on real stories and real comparisons.

      Commenter
      Lilybet
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
    • @Sam Antics I couldn't agree more. I one am sick of the media trying to hype up everything for a story. I wish they would just shut up about the leadership and let them govern. I almost feel the media is causing some of our current economic woes through their constant de-stabilising media tactics.

      Commenter
      memsl
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:37PM
  • So we have one minister sacked, the chief whip who is thinking abut his position, another member who was going to take his bat and ball and go home if he didn't like who won not to mention the likes of Swan, etc who said they would never work under him. These people are supposedly governing this country - playtime at primary school is more organised than this rabble.

    Commenter
    Save us please
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:07PM
  • Crow time .... "Slick" Abbott cheer squad .... come and get it !

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
    • sorry about Mr Fraser, I blame Flo's herbal scones

      Commenter
      UnderTheSouthernCross
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
    • More like McTernan Stunt Time.

      It was entertaining while it lasted but now the smoke has cleared the 'Challenge that Never Was'
      is revealed for what it is.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
    • Crow time?? really??....you should be blushing with embarrassment. 73-71 vote of no confidence, not a good look. Crow about the 31%

      Commenter
      WorkingMother
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:28PM
  • Excellent result - at least this got rid of one of the worst backstabbers - Joel Fitzgibbon, will no longer have a say in anything.
    Wonder if Hawker will be ignored as well - hope so.

    It would be better to lose the next election than to change back to Rudd. This non-vote just shows the ALP do have some principles, unlike the ALP and major sections of the press.

    Commenter
    Jimhaz
    Location
    Occupy Cronyist Government
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
  • Is the drover's dog actually standing? What are its policies?

    Commenter
    The Lancastrian
    Location
    Preston
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
  • all done and dusted, cool- so back to the cricket where Australia can still beat India, and The ALP can still win an election...

    Commenter
    UnderTheSouthernCross
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
  • So on the day that the Prime Minister offers an apology for past adoption practices Simon Crean invents a distraction so that the media follows his silly games instead of the apology. Typical insensitive politician.

    Commenter
    Deadbaby
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
  • I, along with many people, will be putting the ALP last as long as Gillard is their leader. Perhaps the Abbott government is the government we have to have- in order for the ALP to rid themselves of the Gillard cabal, and all those pulling their strings.

    Commenter
    IdesOfMarch
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:06PM
    • I have voted ALP all my life but would not have put the ALP first if Rudd was leader. Not sure who I would have voted for. Libs last, or at least last but for the real lunatics.

      So I guess we even each other out

      Commenter
      asdf
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:18PM
  • The whole affair looks too cute to me.

    Another McTernan stunt is the most
    likely explanation:

    Crean comes out of nowhere, they put on a challenge that isn't and put the leadership question to bed.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:05PM
    • Scrambling to find excuses to hide your embarrassment.

      Perhaps the dog ate your homework.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:19PM
    • If it is a stunt, it's going to backfire as usual.

      I don't think the electorate will see the "cute" side of this.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:46PM
    • Must have a peek at what Michelle's been writing about, this was her daily rave for a couple of years. This should all be dead and buried now.
      If only the media would let the govt govern.
      Please, pretty please..
      And now for some scrutiny on Abbott.
      Yeah, right.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:05PM
    • What so it can suit your agenda. You are indeed an empty vessel and you know the rest and in this case the cap fits. You are no different to your dear leader in that you would, if you could, smash the fabric of democracy to get your way. You and your ilk are a disgrace to decent Australians.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:04PM
    • What so it can suit your agenda. You are indeed an empty vessel and you know the rest and in this case the cap fits. You are no different to your dear leader in that you would, if you could, smash the fabric of democracy to get your way. You and your ilk are a disgrace to decent Australians.

      Commenter
      Jason
      Location
      Gold Coast
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:04PM
  • Julia, Hang in there. You go girl! Don't listen to the media, we support you!!!! Stand tall, and Bruce Springsteen would say, "Bring on Your Wrecking Ball" you can withstand it!

    Commenter
    ann
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:03PM
  • Abbott must be heading straight to the nearest Church to give thanks for Gillard remaining as PM and making his chance of obliterating her and her government that much easier come polling day in September.
    Her day of reckoning may come sooner given the mood of some of the cross-benchers today. Windsor may fancy himself for another term, especially against Joyce, if he can make amends with his very conservative electorate & what better way than to pass a vote no confidence in Gillard & force an election.
    Interesting weeks ahead. Gillard is not renewed from this but is a lame duck leader with many from within despising her. The destabilisig will take a new turn now with the goal being a positioning of those who would take over the top positions in Opposition when her government fails.
    Roll on the election, the bells toll for thee Julia!

    Commenter
    MVF
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:03PM
  • "... Mr Fitzgibbon: "I'm driven only by the best interests of the party."..."

    And therein lies the problem really. Doesn't it?

    You're supposed to be driven only by "MY" best interests. Myself and 22 million other Australians.

    NOT your bloody Party's interests.

    And LNP, you are NO better.

    Commenter
    NoRatHere
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:03PM
  • They are saying Julia can win, she has good policies? Well if her own party doesnt know for certain, why would they expect us to? We don't even know if Julia will survive a full term again...This party is terminal, we need more alternatives. Rudd form your own, we need a more coalition-centric system

    Commenter
    doronkatz
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:02PM
  • Julia Gillard is an extraordinary person and a great Prime Minister who will beat a very weak man at the next election.

    Commenter
    zacca
    Location
    adelaide
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Sadly, I don't think you're right. However, I do have $50 on Abbott being the most unpopular PM in history within 18 months...

      Commenter
      The Lancastrian
      Location
      Preston
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:22PM
    • I'll give him 6 if he goes in!!

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:47PM
  • to paraphrase Rampaging Roy Slaven and and HG Nelson: They are a bunch of hapless water buffalos, stuck in the mud waiting for the safari to come along and put them out of their misery. PS J Fraser: you are a loveable loony. I hope you'll be campaigning for the ALP in September.

    Commenter
    Captain Kirk
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
    • Agreed. Now I'd like to call for a complete moratorium on any and all polls. I don't want to hear about preferred PM / government had an election been held today. I am sick to death of this constant media regurgitation about leadership and fantasy election results. there is 6 months till the election. Lets focus on good policy and good government for the sake of Australia. for God's sake please can we now give it a rest.

      Commenter
      Lippy Queen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
  • nice BS from the chief whip... does anyone think he actually believes Labor can win?

    Commenter
    A Bodhi Nuisance
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:00PM
    • About 40% of the population according to the polls. They'll lose, but its actually not that bad when you think about it.

      Commenter
      Potts
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • I won't stand (because I know I will get smashed - again!!). K Rudd, a man who is clearly more popular with people who don't know him than he is with those who do. If this mob weren't running the country, this would be funny. Regretably, they are, so it is just a bit sad really.

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 5:00PM
    • Really... is see this as dealing a critical blow to Gillard's leadership...

      She didn't win anything and Rudd didn't lose he simply claimed the higher moral ground.

      It still remains a matter of time before she is forced to resign

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Sure, we can debate who's gonna replace Crean and the others who supported Rudd in this debacle.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:58PM
  • Let Kevin try it once more, Julia. When the polls get poisonous, ( it sure will), caucus will return you the leadership.

    Commenter
    Let's try once more
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:57PM
  • ...in a couple of years time we'll all be commenting as the Libs try to ditch the most unpopular PM in History....Plus ca change...

    Commenter
    The Lancastrian
    Location
    Preston
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:57PM
    • In your dreams! Wake up and smell the coffee - we are at the dawn of a new era for Australia - a long and bright era! Vivat, Abbott!

      Commenter
      the Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:18PM
  • J. Fraser was just vindicated...

    Commenter
    Emerald
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:57PM
    • The "Slick' Abbott cheer squad are busy eating crow.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:08PM
    • So you truly believe that the whole party stands behind her. Well I suppose that goes along with the other delusion where you think Labor will win the election. Does today just not show a party that can't govern itself little own a country - minister sacked, chief whip thinking about his position, at least twenty members of the caucus not wanting her, etc.

      Commenter
      Delusional
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • So Simon Crean wanted his 10 seconds of glory at the cost of stability and solidarity of the Labor Party? Great job Simon! You had your chance to FINALLY grab the prime-ministerial position.... for however infinitesimally small amount of time... and you lost. Now go away.

    Commenter
    NP
    Location
    Mona Vale
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:56PM
    • Um, Crean wasn't running this time. Check the story properly.

      Commenter
      Scott
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:17PM
  • At least that is the absolute last we will ever hear of Rudd. Finished, gone, bye bye.

    Commenter
    Dewavey
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:55PM
    • The ability of the Labor 'faithful' to ignore reality can never be underestimated.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:55PM
  • Oh, I get it now.. The Labor party just want Julia to win a ballot this year.. Now they've just got to work out how to make the Federal election be uncontested..

    Commenter
    AMac1983
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:55PM
  • Good on ya mate, you ain't daft enough to step in now & clean up the mess she's constantly getting herself into. Let Abbott enjoy the lodge momentarily come Sept, watch the carnage unfold within the party then & start again with fresh set of eyes. & MPs, please recall why you're there in the 1st place, to be our voice, whether u like ur boss or not is irrelevant so get on with it & do the right thing !

    Commenter
    Opinionated
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:54PM
  • There's nothing quite like watching another round of the Julia/Kevin/ALP saga unfold on the other side of the world. Absolutely mortifying. Here's a thought ALP, perhaps it's time to start governing? Oh wait, that seems too simple.

    Commenter
    arizona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:54PM
  • this happened on an Unsinkable ship a little while ago, where the captain stayed the course and I kinda forgot what happened....

    Commenter
    UnderTheSouthernCross
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
    • Except your opinion Arcadia?

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
    • You've completely missed the point. Rudd wants Julia to stand aside so he is elected unopposed.

      Much better than "made it by 1 vote" Tony.

      Commenter
      Party Stooge
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
    • You've completely missed the point. Rudd wants Julia to stand aside so he is elected unopposed.

      Much better than "made it by 1 vote" Tony.

      Commenter
      Party Stooge
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Rudd did the right thing from preventing this country looking like an international joke. No disrespect to him. He wants that ambassador's job that Julie Bishop has promised him. Good for Kevin.

    Commenter
    Tommo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Am I alone in thinking that KRudd and Crean have played this beautifully? The independents have jumped, and a mortal blow has been landed here. I suspect it is just a waiting game for him now, it will be handed to him, just as he wants it.

    disclaimer
    IANAFM (i am not a faceless man)

    Commenter
    slyd84
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:52PM
    • This is just round 1. The sharks will keep circling until Gillard stands down. Then, as you say, KRudd and Crean will have played this perfectly.

      Commenter
      AAW
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:00PM
    • nope not alone... don't think Crean told Rudd what he was up to though...

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:03PM
    • Agree, i think he played it perfectly. To challenge would have only resulted in more disunity within the party and that would have played right into Abbott's hands and made Labour look even more a joke. If Rudd does become PM again it will be via unanimous party vote.

      Commenter
      Mitch
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:14PM
  • how embarrassing a scene watching gillard,swaney and the rabble behind smirking their way along the corridor..... what a joke this Government is.

    Commenter
    hodster
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:52PM
  • Another day in parliament where "Slick" Abbott lost and did nothing to improve the stocks of Australians.

    Another day where the audience laughed and laughed at the pathetic antics of the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad.

    The "Slick" Abbott cheer squad who make out they know everything about politics and the Labor party.

    Go and join "Slick" Abbott, Pyne and Joyce in the dunces corner.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:52PM
    • Hey J Frazer of Queensland,
      Much prefer an election against Julia then Kevin.
      A much bigger Labor wipeout!
      A good day!

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
    • You are starting to get repetitive.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:05PM
    • You don't have to worry about, pal, you have to worry about Gillard - she has shown herself to be too weak to take on Rudd head on. A strong woman? Obviously I don't understand sarcasm as well as I thought i did.

      Commenter
      the Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
    • Fraser, my very rough translation of what you are saying is:

      A) All good things need a bit of maintenance through some checks and balances even if it really, really, really hurts like hell: or

      B) The Another Lie Party is just carrying on as usual:

      C) All of the above

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party la La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
    • @"Slack" Fraser
      Last time I looked it was the Labor party who sacked one of their Ministers (with maybe more to come) and not the Liberals, so hard to see how Abbott and his supporters lost today.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:19PM
    • @ J. "Slick" Fraser, there was a time when I really enjoyed your posts, despite my contrary view to yours. Now you are bitter, nonsensical, repetitive and lacking unity within your own thoughts. Sounds like a certain political party I know. Your cause would be better served if you focussed on the reason why your Labor party is so wonderful.

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:23PM
  • Its clear that the Labour party have lost the Respect and Trust of the Australian people by now. Its clear by their antics that the only interest they now have in mind is to save their own skins.
    Resign with some dignity before your forced out next time... I will be one to do so.

    Commenter
    Me
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:52PM
  • All one can say is what a waste of space & time this has been. Bad joke comes to mind. Stupid Stupid!

    Commenter
    Andrew of Mt. Eliza
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
  • so now that is done how about Abbott getting heckled at the apology this morning?

    Commenter
    juileep
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
  • So the caucus is not only stupid, it is gutless as well!

    Commenter
    Henry Root
    Location
    Milverton
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
    • No Rudd is gutless, and apparently only 20 or so are stupid.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:10PM
  • So, Harmony day ends up where it started.

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
    • Not quite ..... here's a plate of crow, do you want a fair shake of the sauce bottle with it ?

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:59PM
    • JF

      Spiced morrocan lamb and cous cous awaits when I get home. Enjoy your humble pie.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:12PM
  • Can we get a list of known Rudd supporters, State and faction, so we know who the incompetent twats who just can't shut up even when they bring the Government to defeat are?

    I mean all this effort and Rudd can't even make a decent show of it!?

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:50PM
  • As if anyone was going to put up there hand other than Julia. This government is going to lose, Gillard will step down immediately after then the new leader has 3 years to sort this whole mess out. Now lets ask the Govener General to take us to an election

    Commenter
    Daps
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:50PM
  • And they wonder why they are doing so badly in the polls? If they were running a corporation they would be thrown out for incompetence, yes that bad.

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:50PM
  • Juliar must realise she's lost support of the Nation, regardless of what her party thinks, and must resign. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE JULIA AND KEVIN! WE DON'T WANT ABBOTT!

    Commenter
    peterh_oz
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:49PM
  • After the sacking of Crean earlier, it looks like Gillard is ruling the roust with fear more than anything else. Everyone wants to keep their jobs. I don't care who goes up against Gillard - just get her out of there!

    Commenter
    Mezzy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:49PM
  • Anyone, but not Abbott.

    I'd prefer a drover's dog.

    Commenter
    Ben
    Location
    Syd
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:48PM
  • Rudd's not doing this out of any respect for Julia or integrity or anything else like that. He doesn't want a poisoned chalice and there are far too many MPs who would rather walk the plank than serve under Rudd again. I don't see him ever being leader again.

    Commenter
    Campbell
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:47PM
  • Saying he won't challenge and then sticking to his word s only bolstered his credibility.

    Commenter
    Jase
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
  • Looks like Mr. Whiskers going to take a bath on this one, thats the trouble with corgis and Rudd supporters, they might have a good nose for mischief but they're hopeless at counting the numbers.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
    • How do you want your crow served .... pie or BBQ ?

      Fair shake of the sauce bottle is free.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
    • He has not got the ticker!

      Commenter
      tom
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
  • Bah, Kevin's just trying to look like he's not back stabbing anyone.
    Its one of the biggest negative comments about Gillard.
    She'll resign and he will be "the chosen one" that will ascend to leading the party.

    Commenter
    fatdunky
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:45PM
    • Exactly. Kevin's playing the long game.

      He's getting ready to win the election in September.

      Commenter
      Party Stooge
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:59PM
    • @Party Stooge, I agree, he is playing the long game, but he is playing a longer game than the one you are referring to. He wants Gillard to get wiped from the face of parliament in September so he can resume leadership of the ALP in the fallout, and lead Labor to victory in 2016. Unless of course the Libs put Turnbull in. Then ALP will storm to victory in 2025.

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:29PM
  • It does seem that this was just another beat up by the press shame on you guys let the lady get on with the real issues.

    Commenter
    AustraliaFirst
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Beat up by the press?? Crean did this and Julia agreed. My god please.

      Commenter
      Daps
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
  • Maybe Tony Abbott prayed to the new pope and he ensured that his prayers were answered. It couldn't be any better for Tony Abbott and no doubt he will be sending a nice gift to both Gillard and Rudd for what they have done for him today.

    Commenter
    the Truth
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
  • Okay, back to work everybody. Today's sideshow is over.

    Labor MP's, please fall back in line behind Julia as she marches towards political oblivion. Left, right, left, right ....

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
    • BBQ crow or crow pie .... how do you want it.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:02PM
    • Hacka - isn't it two lefts and only one right?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party la La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:13PM
    • enough is enough - maybe it's just left, left, left, left, round in circles.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:26PM
  • Well there you go Laborites. Rudd just saved your party by being honourable. You could all learn from him.

    Commenter
    Wellsy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
    • you were saying?

      Commenter
      alphabet
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
  • So even Rudd doesn't want lead the useless rabble that the ALP have become? On to election oblivion!

    Commenter
    MjD
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Who ever thinks this is a genuine leadership challenge are being ridiculous. They knew Rudd wouldn't challenge. This is a stunt for Gillard to win comprehensively and therefore show everyone how strong of a position she is. Its a stunt and everyone is falling for it. She was always going to win and by a big margin.

    Commenter
    luquinad
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
    • I see it too. The caucus members are too scared of losing their jobs to stand up. This is just a stunt so Gillard and Swan can claim she has full control of the party. However it would be very naive to think all the white anting stops today

      Commenter
      panda
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:57PM
    • Exactly but it shows Rudd doesn't have the numbers so all the journalists who keep saying Gillard has lost the caucus have to shut up and focus on policy. And given they are announcing things like GOnski in the next few weeks that is a good thing.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
  • Krudd eating chicken tonight? I think so. Crean eating humble pie? Yep. Gillard and Swan to keep drinking from the poisoned chalice? Absolutely. The coalition feasting on an early christmas present from labor - you better believe it.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
  • No matter how inept any of the existing members of the labor ministry appear to be, it is doubtful if any of them would want to carry the poison chalice of defeat at the September election. Instead of the caucus voting on a new leader, it will be looking at the options. Julia is all they have to select from. If she refuses to stand, what then?

    Commenter
    Colin Spencer
    Location
    Kangaroo Ground Vic
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:40PM
  • As a born and bred Australian, i'm disgusted in the antics of our so called parliament. We as the public finance two opposing political parties to govern us, yet daily media barrage and clinging by thread politicians think it's there god given right to be in power... govern the flippin country with policies for our future generations not your own 5 minutes of fame in politics. Ashamed and angry!!! If we acted like this we'd be sacked. Our political system is archaic and smelling of due by date gone.

    I demand accountability from all these so called politicians, Australia should be at the head of the helm in managing, they couldn't work they way out of a paper bag.

    If that's the hope of the nation - Rudd, Gillard or Abbott we're in deep trouble and have been for a while.

    Disgusted!!!

    Commenter
    Disgusted
    Location
    australia
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
  • It's hard to see Rudd coming back from this. He's play is straight out of The Prince: Make them desperate enough until they come crawling to you on their knees. Don't see how caucus will swallow that. And as far as the Australian public are concerned he'll just look like a coward. I'm calling the end of Rudd (in this cycle) and the ALP to get absolutely trounced come September.

    Commenter
    Luke16
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Julia Gillard 1
    Media beat up 0

    From now on would the media just report facts, not their opinions.

    Commenter
    Arcadia
    Location
    Frankston South
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
    • Except your opinion Arcadia?

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
    • The ability of the Labor 'faithful' to ignore reality can never be underestimated.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:55PM
    • Really... is see this as dealing a critical blow to Gillard's leadership...

      She didn't win anything and Rudd didn't lose he simply claimed the higher moral ground.

      It still remains a matter of time before she is forced to resign

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Agreed. Now I'd like to call for a complete moratorium on any and all polls. I don't want to hear about preferred PM / government had an election been held today. I am sick to death of this constant media regurgitation about leadership and fantasy election results. there is 6 months till the election. Lets focus on good policy and good government for the sake of Australia. for God's sake please can we now give it a rest.

      Commenter
      Lippy Queen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:01PM
    • @Lippy Queen.
      You want a moratorium on opinion polls?
      Media control?
      You want that?
      Remember what George Orwell wrote: "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations."

      Commenter
      thirtyoct
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:31PM
  • I can't help but wonder what is going on that we, as the voting public, are meant to not see. This whole circus is focussing all the Press, all the Politiians, all the Public on one thing, all the while something sinister is going on somewhere else.
    In all honesty, who cares who gets in at the next election? No longer do politicians represent their electorates, or anything except vested interests. They are all feeding from the same trough....

    Commenter
    4wd4wd
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
    • you got your answer.

      Commenter
      therethere
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
  • Being an immigrant, I am new to Australian politics. That said, I've never seen such a pathetic display of governing or leadership than I have with the Australian Labor Party. After toppling a legitimately elected leader (Mr Rudd), the current leadership managed to hold onto power only by back-door dealings with independents. And, here we are once again at a possible leadership tumble. And the ALP wants us, the voters, to have confidence in them?????

    Commenter
    DC
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Hardly back-door dealings, that's what you need to do to form a majority coalition between independents and a party that is barely in the minority. Perfectly legitimate.

      The irony is that Liberals keep complaining that democracy is dead, blah blah, but are quite happy to ignore democratic principles of allowing an elected government to play out its full term by calling for an election with every second breath.

      Commenter
      A.D.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:54PM
    • maybe you should read up on workchoices

      Commenter
      ukidding?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:19PM
  • Rudd is gone - now for Abbott.

    Good onya Julia.

    Commenter
    zacca
    Location
    adelaide
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
    • The pathetic media hangs around trying to make a story out of nothing, continue on oh fearless leader you are a truly amazing women. You have my vote.

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:08PM
    • KRudd just made you look stupid...

      Commenter
      GG
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Kevin squibs.

    Great, it will be easier to beat Gillard.

    Commenter
    thirtyoct
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Oh No! What will Peter Hartcher and Mark Kenny do for headlines now that their *ahem* "story" of the past 2 months has amounted to a big fat bag of fat hot air and nothing?
    There is no challenge. There was no challenge. There is no Rudd. It was never going to happen. Can we have some facts in tomorrow's political pages for a change?

    Commenter
    Lies all lies
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Sure, we can debate who's gonna replace Crean and the others who supported Rudd in this debacle.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:58PM
    • Must have a peek at what Michelle's been writing about, this was her daily rave for a couple of years. This should all be dead and buried now.
      If only the media would let the govt govern.
      Please, pretty please..
      And now for some scrutiny on Abbott.
      Yeah, right.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:05PM
  • I cannot believe Gillard isn't embarrassed about this whole episode. This is Australia she is supposed to be representing not the local branch of the union. The Labor party do not deserve to govern until they can sort their own mess out. And to blame the Liberals for this is simply a diversion tactic typical of this government..

    Commenter
    appalled onlooker
    Location
    hong kong
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:36PM
    • Fair enough Paul. I'm just clutching at straws. Labour needs someone else with a bit of substance.

      It may be that they need to lose and have 6 years to get their act together again.

      Commenter
      gregmcph
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:36PM
  • So looks like labour can't even organize a spill. Another great day for this country under the government, more waste, more shuffling, less governing, whilst tick tock the debt goes up

    Commenter
    Genghis
    Location
    Lounge
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:35PM
  • Honestly no one voted for Rudd at the last election, he had already been deposed and Julia was in the job so anyone who voted Labor voted Julia, or are the comments from Lib trolls pretending. Julia is a reformer I respect that, even if she is hopeless & no good at carrying the public. If there was less lawyers on the Labor bench perhaps there would be less overly negotiated & compromised legislation . Give them hell Juila on your way down, go out swinging.

    Commenter
    Peter T
    Location
    N Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:35PM
  • Looks like Rudd is trying to force Truthful Julia to resign/not contest the vote. He will then be asked to step up to the plate as the Leaders position is vacant. Nice little payback.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:35PM
  • Sounds like:
    Much ado about nothing

    Commenter
    Patricia (Edmonton)
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:35PM
  • He might not challenge today, but you know he will before the election. Enjoy looking over your shoulder every day Gillard until September.

    Shame Rudd never looked over his shoulder. He should've - he would have seen you coming from a mile away.

    Commenter
    Realist not misogynyst
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Stephanie, you have it wrong when you write, "I repeat - Kevin Rudd is not running.

    Mr Rudd's statement makes it very clear that he will not challenge the Prime Minister.

    Your yourself reported "He repeated his statement that he would only stand if the position was vacant."

    He is basically claiming that he wants there to be a spill before he stands.

    If there is a spill then Kevin is likely to stand.

    Commenter
    Malcolm Grant
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • What a bloody circus.
    The loosers are the Australian public funding both sides of what has become nothing more than an overpaid claque of theatrical posers pandering to nothing more than their own vainity.

    Commenter
    LeClerc
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • They should offer Malcolm Turnbull the job.

    Commenter
    Robert
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Labour has left it too late. The government is in such a mess that no one with any longer term ambition wants to drive the bus over the cliff.

    Gillard has insulated herself but will take the party down with her - not since Natasha Stott-Despoya has one person done so much damage to a party driven by their own ego

    Commenter
    Little Johnny
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Come on Julia stand up to those who will only judge you unfairly because you are a woman. Stand up to those who judge you on your hair, your clothes and your voice and make snide comments on your personal attributes because they think that because you are a women you are fair game. I am very proud of you and the things you have achieved. I hope that those who believe in you now can make their voices heard louder over the detritus that the opposition and Tony Abbot sprout every day.

    Commenter
    Kate
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
    • @Kate: Get the chip off your shoulder, lady. Gillard is top of the list for the ALP, and that is about the top job in Australian politics. Reaching that position is certainly admirable, and I am a 70 year old liberal voting male. The problem is not Julia as such, it is the package we have mal-administering our country. Sure she makes mistakes, probably less than I would, but then again, she is the Prime Minister, I am not. I expect her to do the job a hell of a lot better than she is at present.

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:10PM
    • On behalf of all men I am sorry we are ALL sexist

      Commenter
      genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
  • Rudd put his integrity ahead of his political interests...

    Puts him in a unique group of politicians today with that kind of integrity... consisting of himself and Turnbull...

    Commenter
    A Bodhi Nuisance
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:33PM
    • No. He didn't have the numbers. He was humiliated. I hope he wakes up to the damage he and his supporters have done. He should resign from Parliament.

      Commenter
      MG
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
    • wasnt integrity, he didnt have the numbers.

      Commenter
      Hungry Eagle
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:56PM
    • How sad that some people can fall for such a hypocrite. Rudd can afford to play the nice Guy. The fact is he knows he has no chance of winning the next election. There is no damaged to his is PM perks whether he runs again or not.

      Commenter
      Let's try once more
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:02PM
  • Oh dear, better pop the bubbly away, Kevin isn't up to it. Or maybe he's waiting for someone to beg nicely.

    Let the leadership speculation recommence.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:33PM
    • He has not got the ticker!

      Commenter
      tom
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
  • Labor have just outdone themselves in terms of disfunctionality, they don't need an opposition they are doing such a good job of self destruction - all the Libs have to do is look on in amazement. Crean stuck his neck out and Kevvy chopped off his head. This must be the Australian version of hari-kari.

    Commenter
    Dick Dekeen
    Location
    Mongolia
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:33PM
  • What a shameful media circus this has been.

    Commenter
    BeachBoy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:33PM
    • Issues of Leadership are now beyond doubt in the ALP but not so in the LNP

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Simon Crean who said Kevin must run? How is this a media frenzied induced issue? Cheer up cmrade

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:56PM
  • I guess Australia is just not ready for leader who ousted her predecessor in a coup to be ousted by her predecessor in another coup.

    Commenter
    Afferbeck Lauder
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:33PM
  • This is what generally happens when you have a woman in charge of something important... complete bedlam.

    Commenter
    Realist not misogynyst
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:31PM
    • What a rediculous comment. Idiot not realist

      Commenter
      Sydney Sider
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:56PM
  • They could be a great team...Rudd as her deputy... makes real sense.

    As to Crean, we are short of taxi drivers.

    Commenter
    Josieandherpussycat
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:30PM
  • Well imagine that once again the whole leadership thing amounts to nothing. Gillard sails past another "critical moment" and Rudd has been shown yet again to not have the numbers.
    Crean appears to have been collateral damage by calling Rudd out.

    CAN WE PLEASE MOVE OUT TO ISSUES OF SUBSTANCE NOW!!!

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:29PM
  • So if Kevin aint running, and Julia is stepping down, then who's going to be running the Labor party? Come out come out where ever you are faceless men!

    More drama than a soapie and less laughs than a sitcom.

    Commenter
    Wolfey
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:29PM
  • This is ridiculous. Now Kevin Rudd is not running? So what is the point of this whole thing? Just another Labour stuff up I suppose.

    Commenter
    David_R
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:29PM
  • Of course Rudd will not run, cause he is smart, he know's that the party is in shambles, so no matter he was elected by his peers to be PM again, Labour would still get slaughtered in the next election. He knows, he's smart, he's going to watch the slaughter from afar in September, then take that opposition leadership again and he'll have 3 years to build up his image and policies again... Very very smart move.

    Commenter
    Yogi
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:28PM
  • OK. TIME TO DO YOUR JOB GG, TIME TO CALL AN ELECTION SACK THEM NOW!

    Commenter
    WHERES THE GOVERNOR GENERAL??
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:28PM
    • The GG should always act on the advice of the PM. What do you think the PMs advice is going to be?

      Actually don't try to answer that.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
    • Sharing a pie with Son in law, Bill

      Commenter
      Louis Cypher
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:52PM
  • OK. Crean doesn't want it. Rudd doesn't want it. Who, oh who will be the next leader of the Opposition?

    Commenter
    stevo64
    Location
    Central Coast NSW
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:28PM
  • Rudd was hopeless last time and would be again. If Gillard was to be replaced Rudd would be a terrible choice.

    Commenter
    IanC
    Location
    South Blackburn
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
  • in related news "Send In The Clowns" by Frank Sinatra has been adopted by the ALP for their election campaign song.

    Commenter
    BoDiddley
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
  • Oh Ruddy!

    I want to cry! HOWL!

    Commenter
    Mark S
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
  • Breaking news - Barnaby Joyce throws his hat in the ring for ALP leadership. “I want to be PM so bad" he is quoted as saying..

    Commenter
    Markr
    Location
    The bush
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
  • KRud confirms he is not going to challenge - now what ?
    And all this on' Harmony day' - Dear me what next.....

    Commenter
    gman
    Location
    nsw
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
  • where's the 'none of 'em' option for this pole??

    Commenter
    Kennedy
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
  • Go Bob Carr for PM!!!!

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:25PM
  • As a life long Labor voter, I will never again vote for this disgusting rabble at Federal level. The media needs to wear the blame for the appalling state of our body politic, constantly needing to feed the 'news monster', leading to poor decision making on both sides of politics.

    Roll on the election

    Commenter
    fendersainter
    Location
    MENTONE
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:25PM
    • Crap. You are not a Labor voter. No Labor voter could vote for Abbott and his planned destruction of the less than fortunate.

      Commenter
      Kawraven
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:22PM
    • didn't say i would vote for Abbot. No way! i would like a viable alternative.

      Commenter
      fendersainter
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:37PM
  • KR, by not running you are allowing Tony Abbott to walk into the Lodge...

    Commenter
    Saddenned
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:24PM
  • there we go thought he wouldn't be stupid.

    there'll be time for his takeover after the election loss (unless there's a miricle or ten)

    Commenter
    Trentley
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:24PM
  • Well stone the flamin' crows. A nice kettle of fish. What a storm n a Pandora's box.

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:23PM
  • The essential problem is that we have a PM that the Labour ministers on the whole like, but the public doesn't.
    And a challenger who the Public likes (due to a lack of any other option), but the Ministers seem to largely loath.

    Julia, if you win here, get tough. Stop avoiding questions, even the awkward ones. Stop being diplomatic, stop nerfing your policies, and hit things head on. People LIKE it when you are tough. Your polls go up whenever you do that stuff. And you have probably lost the next election anyway. So get your Union Rep fangs out, and show them who is boss.

    Commenter
    gregmcph
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:23PM
  • The election is a popularity contest so if Labor want to win they should just make Peter Garrett PM.
    Abbott would have no chance against the guy who produced the record 10...1

    Commenter
    Foxen
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:23PM
  • As a rusted on Labor supporter, and proud of it, I have to say enough's enough. Running a minority government is always a slippery slope, but the constant white anting by Rudd and his cronies if causing me to lose some faith. Rudd is not a Labor man, Rudd is a Rudd man, and while I liked him as a voter in electorateland circa. 2007, he has shown his true colours as a bitter loser who will put his own bruised ego before the good of the party and the stability of the nation. Post 2013 election, heads must roll if Labor supporters are to keep the faith.

    Commenter
    Wyn
    Location
    Earth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:22PM
  • Whatever you may think of the way Rudd was deposed, his behaviour since then clearly demonstrates why he should NOT be reinstated. If he had the good of the party and the electorate at heart he would swallow his pride and settle down to doing his job as best he can and allow the chosen leader to do hers. Instead he has done little but snipe from the sidelines, destabilise the party and the leadership, and divert political debate from the really important issues. Such vindictiveness achieves nothing for anyone except K Rudd, and should not be rewarded!

    Commenter
    inkblot
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:22PM
  • Do they erect a chimney out of the Labor caucus room so all the awaiting union masses at street level get to cheer?

    Commenter
    Maxx
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:21PM
  • Good on you Rudd for supporting the PM. I'll give you some kudos for that. egg on LOTO now!

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Hear hear. He showed more integrity than I had credited him with. If he really wants to do the right thing he now needs to stop destabilising the chosen leadership and distracting everyone from the real issues, and ensure his supporters do the same.

      Commenter
      inkblot
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:43PM
    • mmm so the Labor caucus is all over the shop, Crean sacked, at least 20 of them trying to get Rudd to run, and all you can say is 'egg on the face of the LOTO' ?
      Truly delusional.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Nice try, a country gal, but the only egg is on your face for saying that the media was making this up all week.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
    • ACG

      I suspect tomorrow's headlines will not be about egg on TA's face.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:48PM
    • adrian, not at all.
      As quoted elsewhere it's called feedback frenzy.
      The smoking gun may have been there, but it has been purely the media that have stoked this fire which has made some in the caucus feel shaky. Continual articles, day after day eventually resonated with a few Rudd supporters.
      At least these farcical theatrics are now laid to rest for once and all.
      Now the real fight begins.
      The media has no excuse for these distractions, detracting from good governance.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:21PM
  • Rudd not running....

    Commenter
    UnderTheSouthernCross
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:21PM
    • You didn't make a point. Throwing unrelated figures around is typical redneck stuff.

      Commenter
      Richard Johns
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:21PM
  • Rubbish. This just demonstrates that the media have too much power. Labour try to bring in some oversight - next day the media run unsubstantiated headlines about leadership challenge and look what happens!!!!
    But even if they succeed - I'll vote for the drover's dog before Abbott. A leopard can't change that many spots. I remember his power abuse as health minister with RU486.

    Commenter
    Maa
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:20PM
  • The media want this more than anyone else. Vultures.

    Commenter
    mary
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:20PM
  • How can we trust a man to lead our country who cannot keep his own words. After failing the last leadship challenge, he promised he would not challenge the leadship again.

    Commenter
    Ss
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:20PM
    • KRudd just made you look stupid...

      Commenter
      GG
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
    • you got your answer.

      Commenter
      therethere
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
    • you were saying?

      Commenter
      alphabet
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
  • Peter Beatie or Steve Bracks anyone - lets make a fresh start... I am sick of Gillard, but wont vote Liberal, ever...

    Commenter
    lepetitprince
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
  • Julia & Kevin - This song is dedicated to you both.
    Extract from "Send In The Clowns"..

    "Isn't it rich?
    Are we a pair?
    Me here at last on the ground
    You in mid-air...
    Where are the clowns?

    Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
    Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours.
    Making my entrance again with my usual flair
    Sure of my lines...
    No one is there

    Don't you love farce?
    My fault, I fear.
    I thought that you'd want what I want...
    Sorry my dear!
    And where are the clowns
    Send in the clowns
    Don't bother, they're here.

    Isn't it rich?
    Isn't it queer?
    Losing my timing this late in my career.
    And where are the clowns?
    There ought to be clowns...
    Well, maybe next year."

    Commenter
    Smack
    Location
    City of the Fallen or Two Steps From Hell
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
    • Good poem Smack. Gee you must have time on your hands

      Commenter
      busier than you
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:46PM
    • Yeah but probably not as much time as Crean is going to find on his hands from now on.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:56PM
    • "Smack" must be hungry after all that work .... would you like crow pie or would you prefer BBQ crow.

      A fair shake of the sauce is complimentary.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:04PM
    • Fras - This song could probably be played by a banjo - why don't you give it a try with yours.

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:11PM
    • Gold, Smack. Love the banjo reference.

      Commenter
      Dewavey
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:03PM
    • Sorry Fras - My parents taught me that it was bad manners to eat off someone else's plate so no need for you to share some of your crow with me. Eat up!!

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:58PM
  • I still find it amazing that there are Labor MPs who say they'd rather quit than work under Rudd.

    Do people really prefer to be unemployed for the next 10 years rather than work under a boss they dislike? I guess MPs do get a golden parachute, unlike us mere mortals.

    Commenter
    elwyn5150
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
  • Even if Gillard does win or is unopposed it still means this deeply divided party is due for more of the same in the next 6 months or a year. How is it possible to vote for a party who will spend as much time fighting each other as governing.

    Commenter
    nick
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
  • So Rob Mitchell threatens to quit the ALP and his seat. Good riddance Mitchell, you're a joke as my local rep.

    Commenter
    BoDiddley
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
  • Rudd must win, as it would be publicly irresponsible of Labor party caucus, to not put forward the candidate with the best chances of victory for Labor. Clearly based on public polling shows Rudd to be the most popular candidate by a country mile.

    Looks like this has to back fire for the PM because if they are re-elected, it's clear then that the party has done the public a disfavour, by belligerently supporting a leader who does not have the best chances of victory at the next election.

    That would be a big mistake and Labor could be punished badly for putting forward a losing candidate. The polls clearly dictate this outcome and the polls say Rudd must lead Labor to the next election. It would be grossly errant for Labor select anyone but Rudd to lead them into the next election and there would be mass carnage after the loss.

    Commenter
    Davo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:18PM
    • I think it involves pulling the finger out and maybe contacting the GG.

      that'll never happen as aussies is lazy.

      take the easy route - contact the greens to pull the plug and force a double dissolution, thereby ending it prematurely

      Commenter
      Trentley
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:18PM
  • There will be nowhere for "Slick" Abbott to hide tomorrow and where will he be able to find a policy.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Perhaps he can go trawling through the Greens' filing cabinet, that seems to be where Julia finds most of her's.

      Commenter
      Wayne D.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:38PM
    • There is no sitting tomorrow "Slack Fraser".

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:38PM
    • Silly comment from a gillard sycophant.

      Commenter
      juostone
      Location
      vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:44PM
    • @JFraser: Going by the amount of vitriolic hatred you have for Abbott, we can only assume that you reckon he is the most likely person to be Australia's next PM for at least three terms.

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:45PM
    • @J "sick" Fraser. Policies - I have not seen a policy from either side of politics. So they both have to hide.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
    • In other words, the people can't but the parliament can. The only way the people can is like what they do in some other countries ...have a revolution with rebels murdering the govt members. Is this the Australian way?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
  • I'm putting my 5 cents on Julia to win.

    Mr Whiskers is going for Rudd.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Quickly! Quickly! What's Labor's odds? I want to get on before they shorten

      Commenter
      i care
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:07PM
    • You cannot. If you bothered to read the constitution you'd know there's very little mention of political parties at all.

      Commenter
      Aussie Unionist
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:16PM
  • And still the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad are the losers.

    Crow BBQed perhaps.

    The offer of the fair shake of the sauce bottle still stands.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:16PM
    • nope from where I sit they will be cracking out the champagne that they don't have to deal with a credible incumbent

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:38PM
  • What I want to know is - where is J. Fraser?????

    Commenter
    Dee
    Location
    Cairns
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Best look to your north or south depending on how you have the comments cascading Dee.

      Commenter
      Abbotteggface!
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:40PM
    • who cares?

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:41PM
    • I have been cooking up the crow for the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad to eat.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:05PM
  • Crean will gather votes then throw himself behind Rudd

    Commenter
    M
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
  • Labor MP Rob Mitchell (Victorian seat of McEwen): "I will quit the ALP and my seat if Rudd gets up this afternoon"
    Good he is obviously not there for the good of the party just personal politics - typifies the problem with the whole party of individuals not working together

    Commenter
    Sooky lal la
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Perhaps Rob places the interests of his constituents first, instead of doing what the union heavies instruct him to do.

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:43PM
    • That's not the way it has ever worked. You just want to change the system to suit your current bias

      Commenter
      Richard Johns
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
  • Time for a change is well past its due by date. She has lied to every person in this country to get power. If she goes to the polls Labor loses, Get a decent leader in(aka Rudd seems to be well liked these days still) and Labor has a slim chance of still winning and leading Australia into the future. My thoughts is, we shall be a Liberal governed country come September elections!

    All in all I don give two hoots, I am a Liberal voter, but the circus is amusing to watch.

    Commenter
    It's time to go Julia! - You are the weakest link.
    Location
    Adelaide
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:14PM
    • As dysfunctional as Labor is, I'm actually disturbed that someone would vote Liberal. What's in it for you? And why on earth do you think someone as abhorrent as Tony Abbott should be PM?

      Commenter
      A.D.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
    • Why cannot we do without politicians a benevolent dictatorship sounds good.

      Commenter
      Hoppy Peter
      Location
      Wenty
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
    • Pathetic comment

      Commenter
      Haggis
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:29PM
    • I think we have been conned. Crean was a stooge for Gillard. He made it look like a genuine spill while 2 Rudd supporters were in planes and it happened too fast for Rudd to gather enough votes.
      Now they will come out and say how JG won unopposed and how she is a strong leader and shes has the full support of caucus and that this should be the finish of speculation once and for all and yada yada yada,

      Commenter
      DudleyB
      Location
      perth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:31PM
    • LOL at the Liberal Voter comment, who do you think pulls the LABOUR Party strings

      Commenter
      garym
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:32PM
  • I like Julia Gillard, but I think Australia is too sexist to cope with a female leader. If having Kevin back means that we stand a chance at the next election, then let's get him back. What I would personally love is if this prompted a return of Turnbull, meaning that Tony Abbot NEVER gets a tilt at being PM.

    Commenter
    Labor voter
    Location
    Brunswick
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:14PM
    • Well said - either Rudd or Turnbull would be a major trade up from the Gillard or Abbott options.

      Commenter
      crazy stuff
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Are you saying Simon crean is a misogynist

      Commenter
      Genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:28PM
    • Spot on! Australia cannot handle a female prime minister, despite how far we say we have come. Male driven media and old school politicians have made it extremely difficult for our present PM.

      Commenter
      thedefa
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:36PM
    • Yes agree Australia is too sexist. Backward country, but people OS are impressed that we have a lot of women up in leadership positions. Way of the future huh? If we have any future with global warming etc. Need the feminine over arching talents to save the world if you ask me.

      Commenter
      Ros
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:40PM
  • Do caucus rules allow a raffle? They would stand a 68-1 on chance of getting someone to do a better job than the incumbent. They are wobbling down the road like a wheel falling off a clapped out paddock bomb. Put 'em out of their misery.

    Commenter
    Captain Kirk
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:13PM
  • I really don't care. As long as Abbott is NEVER in power

    Commenter
    classicinclassic
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:13PM
    • I really dont care as long as Rudd or Gillard get wiped out at the next election.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
    • #Anyone by Abbott

      Commenter
      Foxen
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
    • ~~~~~~~~~~~ I DO Care.
      but anyone but Abbott!

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Hope the red queen wins, she has shown more backbone than any other leader considering the amount of personal crap Abbott and his mates have slung at her, not to mention the no clear majority she has had to work with, and still kicking goals,

    Commenter
    AW
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:12PM
    • Kicking plenty of own goals AW, plenty of own goals. Thats why Julia is in this mess...she is an incompetent fool and incredibly poor politician.
      A walking disaster that is taking the ALP down the gurgler with her.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • have you got any examples of 'the personal crap tony abbott has slung at her'?
      Surely you mean own goals rather than goals?

      Commenter
      nick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:25PM
  • Any remaining credibility the Labor party has left will be lost if they replace JG with Rudd.

    Commenter
    Grouch
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Rudd is not running.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:22PM
    • "Baa"

      Commenter
      Haggis
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:30PM
    • Only two ways.
      1. A no confidence vote with majority. Sorry vote ay missed it by one.
      2. PM asks GG to dissolve lower house and calls an election.

      There is a third but the army wont play the game.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:09PM
  • If K Rudd wins this vote Labor will still lose. labour may just as well fall on their sword unless thay can show some true unity and stick behind the leader they have ....at least until after the election if they want any chance at all in the next election.

    Commenter
    innocentbystander
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:08PM
  • Why would the opposition want to get rid of Gillard? The only way they can lose the election is if Rudd is PM?

    Commenter
    The Banker
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:07PM
  • Whatever face you put on the Labor party its still a Greeny/communist party and will never bring out the best in Australia, only its minority group followers will benefit as usual.
    Lets just hope the real majority of Aussies will vote LNP at the election so we can stop all this nonsense and get back to the glory days like it was under Howard.

    Commenter
    Ajalee
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
    • A Senator "can" be PM but its problematic. Carr would be a bizarre choice. The architect of the NSW ALP debacle and a man who has become Foreign Minister with not a single election vote in his favour. His rise would only be comparable to the Chancellor of Germany in 1930's.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
  • Its academic:
    Julia is a Liar
    Rudd is a Dud

    Tony will prevail against anyone the labour party puts up, whenever the election is held and save our poor nation.

    Commenter
    John
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
    • You make a powerful argument there. Took all your brain power no doubt.

      Commenter
      Aussie Unionist
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
    • Abbott is a joke! Those who see in him otherwise is a total joke too.

      Commenter
      Rodolfo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
    • Yeah 'our poor nation', because Australia's really struggling at the moment. What inceredibly tough times. It's so expensive to buy an SUV.

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:51PM
  • Bob Katter is a prophet of truth - Billy Billabong just nominated for the Prime Ministership...

    Commenter
    crazy stuff
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
  • If I recall correctly, the only reason we have Julia as PM is because we had Kevin first and he was nothing short of an abysmal failure. Are the Australian population so short sighted as to think he is going to be any better this time?

    Commenter
    For what it's worth
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
  • why doesn't the government send the vote of the leadership to the people instead of those that they lined the pockets of?? this is an absolute joke, and they have lost my vote if juliar stays in power. (this is australia, not afghanistan, so juliar it is...) she has let the people down, she has let the party down, and she should just pack up and go. kevin should run again, and the idiots they call politicians need to think about what they are doing with the CORRECT head.

    Commenter
    what a joke!
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:05PM
  • Does anybody know what odds Tom Waterhouse is giving for Julia v Kevie? Sorry Stephanie, I'll need to change over to Channel 9 coverage soon for 'in-depth' analysis of the unfolding saga......

    Commenter
    Bonzo
    Location
    Free Fall
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:04PM
  • What a bunch of fumbling idiots, if they can't even keep their own house in order how do they expect to run a country?

    Commenter
    iKris82
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:03PM
  • Simple equation -
    Gillard no Qld,
    Crean no Qld,
    Shorten no Qld,
    Rudd you win back Qld. which goes a long way to winning the next election.

    Commenter
    JD
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:03PM
  • Peter Harvey would have loved this!

    Commenter
    Scrum time
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:03PM
  • Please Liberal Party, take the opportunity to knife Abbott in the back, just like you did with Ballieu in Victoria and Terry Mills in the NT. Anyone is better than Abbott.

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:03PM
  • At least the focus is off the Australian Cricket team, if only Julia could bowl...

    Commenter
    UnderTheSouthernCross
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:02PM
  • Australia need a leader with vision. At this point this is only Kevin Rudd.
    Admire Simon's Crean step.

    Commenter
    glassbean
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:02PM
  • Is it a spill if she is unopposed ?

    Commenter
    gman
    Location
    nsw
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:01PM
  • Gillard is finish. The person who should be very worry is tony abbott. Gillard is Abbott magic wand. Without Gillard Abbott need to work harder, otherwise he's doom.

    Commenter
    EA
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:01PM
  • It's time to end this rubbish now. CALL THE ELECTION, LET US HAVE OUR SAY!

    Commenter
    Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Yes! Election for Victoria now! No unelected Premier for Victoria!

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Oh for God's sake vote these idiots out!!!!!!

    Commenter
    dee
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 4:00PM
    • Agreed - new elections for Victoria!

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:12PM
    • ah sorry but which particular group of idiots are you referring to. I have trouble telling the difference these days

      Commenter
      Jeromey
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:26PM
    • dee, it was the people of Australia who voted them in. It staggers me that you have so little respect for our democratic processes.
      Either you have been stampeded with other herd members by Abbott's rhetoric, or you never supported them. Either way, your comment is pretty dim.

      Commenter
      Richard Johns
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:38PM
  • ... and what happens if nobody stands other than Gillard?

    Commenter
    Brenda Loots
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
    • She wins, did we really need to explain that?

      And we get two months of 'peace'
      before bad polls put us in the same place all over again.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:13PM
    • The circus will just keep spinning around.

      Commenter
      Architect & Building Surveyor
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
    • Then she kills ongoing media speculation about potential leadership challenges. It's the best possible outcome for her.

      Commenter
      Cryptopunk
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • Well, I know born-to-rule supporters have an air of arrogance, but do you really need to speak of yourself as 'we'? Real people just answer a question (there are no dumb questions, you know...?)

      Commenter
      Brenda Loots
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:40PM
  • I listened to Gillard speak today in the house,just more of the same rubbish more personal attacks on Abbott.Not statesman/woman like at all,she sounded just like a union official. Mr Crean was the voice of reason,so lets sack him ?

    Commenter
    justone
    Location
    vic
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Worried about "more personal attacks on Abbott" hey? Sounds like you're an Abbott lover to me.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
    • You obviously did not listen to the House today.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
    • What an extraordinary comment from justone. Abbott has been spitting vitriol (and the dummy) ever since he lost the negotiations.

      Commenter
      billyboyOZ
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:18PM
  • Does anyone know how the people can effect an election under our constitution. I find it unfathomable that the independents can keep supporting this government without calling an election. Let the party's determine who leads, and let us as a people elect them.

    Commenter
    UnderTheSouthernCross
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Only two ways.
      1. A no confidence vote with majority. Sorry vote ay missed it by one.
      2. PM asks GG to dissolve lower house and calls an election.

      There is a third but the army wont play the game.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:09PM
    • That's not the way it has ever worked. You just want to change the system to suit your current bias

      Commenter
      Richard Johns
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:15PM
    • You cannot. If you bothered to read the constitution you'd know there's very little mention of political parties at all.

      Commenter
      Aussie Unionist
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:16PM
    • In other words, the people can't but the parliament can. The only way the people can is like what they do in some other countries ...have a revolution with rebels murdering the govt members. Is this the Australian way?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • I think it involves pulling the finger out and maybe contacting the GG.

      that'll never happen as aussies is lazy.

      take the easy route - contact the greens to pull the plug and force a double dissolution, thereby ending it prematurely

      Commenter
      Trentley
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:18PM
  • This is just like when I decided to challenge Ron Rust for the Chairman of Selectors role at Putney Bowling Club. Okay, not exactly like it........but sort of.
    PS I won......c'mon Putney

    Commenter
    Ellerston
    Location
    Scone
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
  • I had to laugh when I heard Julia referring to herself as "feisty".
    This definition is from an on-line dictionary website:
    If you're huffy or thin-skinned, you're feisty. Feisty people often seem to be itching for a fight. On the other hand, this has a more positive meaning. It may also describe a courageous or spirited person, especially one who is smaller or an underdog. A small boxer knocking out a huge opponent is feisty. Little dogs barking at huge dogs are feisty in both senses: they're being brave, but they're also a little too quick to open their yaps.
    Now it's time for her to shut her yap and let caucus decide who should be the big dog.

    Commenter
    Uncle_shrek
    Location
    Land of the Feisties
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
    • In a fist fight between Abbott and Gillard, I reckon Gillard would win hands down. Abbott wouldn't know what to do. He'd probably resolve to strip to his speedos and run away scared.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:12PM
  • Tomorrow's headlines - How will this leader last!!! choose from -
    3 Months
    6 Months
    12 Months
    24 Months

    Commenter
    Mal
    Location
    Cranbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Until September at the longest

      Commenter
      Rocky
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:09PM
    • yes that is the unfortunate NSW Labor curse...

      you can also counter with how long it'll be before Tony calls something he said a "non core promise"

      Commenter
      Trentley
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:20PM
  • Tom Waterhouse -

    Kevin Rudd - $1.30
    Julia Gillard - $3.20

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:55PM
  • There's no one else? Bob Carr?
    At the moment I am throwing my vote away on some silly minor party. I'm not voting for Abbott, and I don't want to vote for Rudd or Gilliard either.

    Labour desperately needs a clean and rejuvenation.

    Commenter
    gregmcph
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:55PM
    • A Senator "can" be PM but its problematic. Carr would be a bizarre choice. The architect of the NSW ALP debacle and a man who has become Foreign Minister with not a single election vote in his favour. His rise would only be comparable to the Chancellor of Germany in 1930's.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
    • Fair enough Paul. I'm just clutching at straws. Labour needs someone else with a bit of substance.

      It may be that they need to lose and have 6 years to get their act together again.

      Commenter
      gregmcph
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:36PM
  • This is as much to do with how the ALP has operated at grass roots for the past few years, along with the numerous factions at play. Seriously, one only need to take a look at "The Life of Brian" and the send up of the PLO to visualise the ALP in full flight.

    If there is any good to come of this, it will be some deep soul searching.

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:54PM
    • It's the People's Front of Judea (PFJ) $Skeptic, or the Judean People's Front (JPF) not the PLO (which is Arrafat's (Palestinian Liberation Front).

      Here it is: Reg: If you want to join the People's Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.
      Brian: I do!
      Reg: Oh yeah, how much?
      Brian: A lot!
      Reg: Right, you're in.

      Commenter
      Brian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:08PM
    • Thanks Brian. I'm still surprised you are still around after all these years.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
    • are you the Judean Peoples Front?

      Pfft **** off, Judean Peoples Front?!?
      Were the People's Front of Judea!

      Commenter
      af612
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:19PM
    • Wasn't it the JPLF or the PLFJ? (they preceded the PLO by a couple of thousand years give or take)

      Commenter
      nick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:20PM
    • Labor has proved themselves to be mere rabble and unfit to run this country - they can't even run their own party. I see better behaviour in my daughters' one and two classes.

      Commenter
      the Truth
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:31PM
    • Yes Brian, but what he's saying is that when the film talks about the JPF they were satirising the PLO. He would also have been talking about a different scene where the PFJ members abuse the PFJ, PJF, JPF etc as "splitters".

      Commenter
      JohnB
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Is Rudd having a cold shower or ice bath at the moment??

    Commenter
    Maxx
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:54PM
  • The late mail says the odds for Bill as leader are likely to Shorten

    Commenter
    Llama Farma
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:52PM
  • Dont wreck this country. This should end labor. Why do they deserve my vote now?

    Commenter
    Dave
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:51PM
    • Oh, Dave, who do you think you're kidding? They were never going to get your vote - you've been saving it for the other mob, dopey and incoherent and illogical and undemocratic as they are. You think this lot is bad?

      Commenter
      prose
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:07PM
    • Their superior record of economic management is a good place to start.

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:16PM
    • Oh I don't know. Saving the country from the GST maybe? Fixing up Howard's and the coalition's wars? Not carrying out any war crimes? Not living in ga ga land about climate change?

      Commenter
      Richard Johns
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
  • The Australian public must understand that it's Labor that is the problem, not what particular leader they choose to have at any one point.

    Commenter
    Dr No
    Location
    Spring HIll
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:50PM
  • 3354 readers hanging on your every word Stephanie.

    Commenter
    sydneymoose
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:50PM
    • Crean was sacked after he expressed his opinion. How can sacking him after he's expressed it be suppression of free speech?
      Would you or anyone else want someone who had just done what Crean did?
      If he was not sacked, Gillard would be open to the insinuation that she must endorse him.
      Do try to engage brain before putting mouth into gear.

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:49PM
  • Lets not forget Julia has done more for the case of females in policis than anyone in history. After this I would suggest it could be another 109 years before anyone might do it again.

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:49PM
    • what about Maggie thatcher or Sonia Ghandi? Both a lot more influential politically and in more significant countries. I reckon Gillard has actually put it back.

      Commenter
      nick
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
    • I think Paul was talking about Australia ,!!

      Commenter
      amro
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
  • Just a thought - if the Ruddstar prevails, yet still doesn't get enough bounce in the polls, is there still time for another spill before September?

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:48PM
    • Hope he is in 'a'union - no 3 warnings and all that jazz (just a fat pension)

      Commenter
      gman
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
    • J Fraser

      What you fail to grasp is that is she wins, she also loses. Brand ALP is now in a mess.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
  • Which smug cheesy grin will we see tonight? And how could either actually form a cabinet that would show any unity or purpose? This government has been totally farcical sine before the last election, and election that was decided on a great big lie. Enough: bring on a general election.

    Commenter
    johnno31
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
  • I guess this means that we are going to be seeing a lot more of Malcolm Turnbull on Q&A

    Commenter
    Jose
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
  • The staggering stupidity of people crying "CALL AN ELECTION NOW!" is insufferable.

    A Labour-led coalition government was formed as a result of the last federal election - that's that, that's how Australia voted, so pipe down and deal with it. The ALP is under absolutely no obligation (to you whingers, the Coalition, to anyone) to call another federal election before September.

    Commenter
    A.D.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Labor (not Labour) can call an election now if they choose......and the Australian people could have a functioning govt and opposition whatever political party is govt, sooner than later. Isn't that in our best interests?

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:52PM
    • You're wrong. The Prime Minister is individually commissioned by the Governor-General. The Governor-General has to commission a Prime Minister who can guarantee supply for the running of the government of which the G-G is the head. If Rudd is elected head of the ALP, he will have to persuade the G-G to appoint him. Given the way the house voted on the motion to suspend standing orders, one would expect the G-G to talk to both Abbott and Rudd in an effort to determine which one of them can guarantee supply. It won't necessarily be Rudd.

      Commenter
      Stephen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Perhaps if we're lucky the Liberals will get some sense and spill Abbott as well. Anyone is better than him.

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:56PM
    • AD, what utter nonsense, the Australian people did not vote for a labour lead coalition government, this was man made and has never really sat easily with the population. Yes we should go for an election now and let the people decide, that is democracy. Labour has lost credability to run this country, the coalition is a shambles with indpendents scattered. Let Labour appoint a new leader then head to polls in 6 weeks.
      Bill

      Commenter
      Bill
      Location
      Parramatta
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:57PM
    • BTW, Australia didn't vote the ALP into Govt....the independents chose them over the Coalition to form a govt.....they could have chosen the coalition at the time. Get your facts straight, mate!

      Commenter
      JT
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Well said, but you know how selfish and entitled LNP supporters can be....

      Commenter
      FriendlyAxeMurderer
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
    • Do not agree with that at all

      This is why we have votes of no confidence etc

      The people have lost faith in this government. They have no moral authority to continue in this way and hiding behind electoral law will only make the coming thumping worse

      From a sad sad ex Labor Voter... tho perhaps soon to be a Labor voter again.. we shall see @ 1630. Go Rudd!

      Commenter
      Mark S
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Ummm... that's NOT how people voted. The electorate gave a minority of seats to Labor. The GG then invited them to try and form government and they did so with the support of others in the lower house. That support has gone so now they definitely are obliged to call an election. This illegitimate shambles has to stop to some point.

      Commenter
      Mr Do-Bee
      Location
      Perth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:00PM
    • @ A.D. Wrong! We pay these jokers to run this country, and they are too busy trying to knife each other. The ALP have had enough time to sort this out, and they haven't. Time to go to the people. That's what democracy is about.

      Commenter
      Tim [unfortunately not from Altona]
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:05PM
    • End it now and let us decide, not Gillard or Rudd or Abbott or Crean, Let us decide for the sake of our wonderful democracy and our magnificent country. let us decide.

      Commenter
      UnderTheSouthernCross
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:12PM
  • How petty of Gillard to sack Crean before the spill this afternoon. It's as much as to say "I may not be able to do anything after 4:30 but I can get you now". Just petty.

    Pitty Crean did not form a ticket with Smith and run on the basis of reform of the party and governing for all, not just Gillard's union buddies. It would have appealed to Labor members having had a gutful of Gillard & Rudd & would have appealed to the electorate once they got their message across

    Commenter
    MVF
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Gillard was not petty. Crean spoke to her last night and as a party leader she said say nothing.

      Whilst Gillard is in forced adoption forums, Crean goes to the press - close to Question Time.

      Crean got what he deserved.

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
  • So who is in the running for the job? Is it just Gillard & Rudd, or is Shorten in their too?

    Commenter
    Griffo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
  • Re: the 3:37pm: post. didn't Julia Gillard win by a massive majority in February last year?

    Commenter
    Lippy Queen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
  • Quick, phone OPSM, the glasses didn't work!

    Commenter
    Jules
    Location
    Freo
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
  • Stay where you are PM. It will gift another 20 or so seats to the Coalition at the election.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:43PM
    • "Baaa"

      Commenter
      Haggis
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:39PM
  • There's a word from the Thick of It that perfectly describes this Government.

    Omnishambles.

    It has to go, for the sake of all that is decent in Australia it has to go.

    Commenter
    Tomsk72
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:43PM
  • One of the better tweets from Joe, who shall not be named:

    "I find it so convenient that in Australia, we can get a new Prime Minister without all the hassle go going to vote".

    Commenter
    $keptic
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:43PM
  • Rudd and Crean for 13.

    Commenter
    Opinion Only
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:42PM
  • Gillard better start worrying.

    Swan just tweeted that she has a surplus of votes!

    Commenter
    harry
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:42PM
    • priceless

      Commenter
      Opinion Only
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
    • So that is where the surplus went he was saving it up to spend it on a PM

      Commenter
      tom
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:17PM
  • If Rudd wins. Which I do hope can the party please expel Gillard and put her seat up for pre selection immediately. The only way justice will be served.

    Commenter
    Ric
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:42PM
  • Gillard = Draft Horse

    Rudd = Show Pony

    Commenter
    Horse Breeder
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:41PM
  • Those who,um, live by the something, um, something, die by the something, something, um... crikey, I wish I'd paid more attention in history classes!
    My sincere apologies to the Fairax and Murdoch Incorporated media empires, you were right, I was wrong, Labor are indeed trying to rearrange the deck chairs.

    Commenter
    Perk Cartel
    Location
    Westgarth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:41PM
  • You've got to think that there is more than a whiff of November 1975 in the air today.

    For some, it is the sweet smell of a fresh breeze.

    For others it is the smell of rotting garbage.

    You can choose which one suits you!

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Surely Kevin can't run !!! He said he would not challenge again ,after the failed tilt last year, didn't he ? Or is integrity no longer a pre-requisite for the office ? And, secondly should he be rewarded for under-mining, if that is what he has been doing ? What signal does that send ?

    Commenter
    Wayne D.
    Location
    On the sideline
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:38PM
    • if there is a spill its hardly a challenge is it

      Commenter
      milesy
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:51PM
    • I'll bet the Coalition are licking their lips for this very reason. If Rudd wins, they will be all over his credibility (or lack of it) like stink on a monkey! If Julia wins, it just proves what a rabble the Labor Party have become. It is lose/lose for Labor and win/win for the Coalition

      Commenter
      Schooner
      Location
      The Hunter
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:54PM
  • Good bye backstabbing liar.... We voted for Rudd not you.. !!!

    Commenter
    Good Riddance
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:36PM
    • so much ancient history. There has been a whole other election since then and she was the prime minster and leader of the party in 2010. By the way, Australia doesn't have a presidential style election so really only the good people in the seat of Griffith voted for Kevin Rudd.

      Commenter
      Lippy Queen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:47PM
    • I think you may have missed an election....

      Commenter
      pickle
      Location
      Bondi Junction
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:53PM
    • No you didn't - you voted for the Australian Labor Party. They choose the leader. Representative democracy.

      Commenter
      A.D.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:54PM
    • Umm, no. I think you will find we voted for Gillard.at the last election.

      Commenter
      Aurelio
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:57PM
    • Spot on. Australians voted for Rudd and the PM seat is rightfully his. Please say yes Mr Rudd

      Commenter
      Sheri
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:04PM
    • No, we have had a General Election since then. At the last General Election, Julia was the Labor leader and for those that voterd for her, you got what you damn well asked for.

      Commenter
      Scrum time
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:09PM
  • Labor can't go back to K'Rudd. He is tainted goods - too much history there to be undone. If there is a leadership spill it must be for someone new - and by then it will be too little too late and will guarantee a Coalition victory. And besides IF as they all fear they are facing an electoral wipe out at the next election, WHO in their right mind, WHO would want to lead them - surely that is like volunteering to take on the captaincy of the Titanic.
    And if Julia Gillard is overthrown then the agreements with the Greens and independents will be cancelled and the parliament will be re-hung and the next election could well be in two months not in September as currently planned.

    Commenter
    Lippy Queen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:36PM
  • I hope any one who was stupid enough to vote for Katter last time can see what a total waste of space he is in this Parliament. He thinks he can go back to the drawing board now? this guy is living in a dream world. Time for him, Windsor, Oakeshott and Willkie to take equal responsibility for this mess and go.VOTE THE OUT regardless if its Gillard or Krudd. Ronald McDonald could do better, at least he is supposed to be funny.

    Commenter
    Fred
    Location
    Gosford
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:36PM
  • Julia Ring Angus Houston and Say "Houston We have a Problem"

    Commenter
    Sam
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:35PM
  • I thought Julia handled herself superbly, under what could only be an immense burden of emotional stress and disappointment with Simon.

    If this is last day as PM she can at least take some comfort in her steadfastness under enemy fire. I wish her well.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:35PM
    • Well said Steve, I agree.
      And I hope it is not her last day as PM.

      Commenter
      NatK
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:47PM
    • Agree Steve. Not only enemy fire but also friendly fire.
      The ambition of Rudd has no bounds.

      Commenter
      JW
      Location
      Doncaster
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:18PM
  • It sickens me how some people are in such a hurry to be completely screwed over by the LNP again. If you think Bush was bad for the US (he was) wait until puppet Tony gets in.

    If Labor has a problem, it's that they've been incompetent in promoting the good things they've done in government. In fairness, that's been pretty hard in the face of the most disgustingly partisan media barrage this country has ever seen. How much the media hates you is probably a good inverse measure of the quality of government, because it means the real power holders are losing, or more realistically, not winning as quickly as they'd like.

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Yes, there are communists and all sorts under our beds. Be very afraid people. Geepers.

      Commenter
      Jack
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:52PM
    • I agree. Its hard when the sheep just believe what the media spews. They need to talk about how everyone bar the wealthy people will be far worse off under Abbott. Western Sydney will be an absolute crap hole if the Libs get in. The people that live there just arn't smart enough to work it out. They all need to get off the bandwagon.

      Commenter
      Haggis
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
  • Don't be surprised if Julia is unapposed, however Simon Crean made deputy. This would do two things, Julia would keep Simons vote and to the outside world it would appear the party is behind Julia and they would hope this would be enough to close off this type of media attention.
    For the party, if you can't sell a product then you either change the product or the saleman.

    Commenter
    keeping It Real
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • But Julia sacked Crean. What are you talking about ?

      Commenter
      Jose
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:50PM
  • Really interested scenario. If Rudd wins, how will he convince the Governor-General that he can guarantee supply, especially after the three amigos appear to have abandoned the ALP?

    Commenter
    Stephen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • I wonder how P. Howes is feeling now.
      "We gotta back Prime Minister"
      Maybe too early to put a tender in for his house!
      Tenders please.

      Commenter
      tom
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:47PM
  • Interesting that Gillard sacked Crean on the spot. If that is not an example of trying to suppress someone's opinion then I don't know what is.

    Commenter
    Craig
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:32PM
    • Hope he is in 'a'union - no 3 warnings and all that jazz (just a fat pension)

      Commenter
      gman
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Crean was sacked after he expressed his opinion. How can sacking him after he's expressed it be suppression of free speech?
      Would you or anyone else want someone who had just done what Crean did?
      If he was not sacked, Gillard would be open to the insinuation that she must endorse him.
      Do try to engage brain before putting mouth into gear.

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:49PM
  • Can we get Jeff from Survivor to host the Tribal Council, tally the vote and say "Julia, the tribe has spoken"!! And snuff out her torch???!!!

    Commenter
    Henry Root
    Location
    Milverton
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:31PM
  • Bob Katter looking after his sugar mates with mandatory ethanol. Can't wait for Rudd to bring back his fuel watch, grocery watch, NBN, ETS, and roof insulation schemes. The last governments we have had have been the most ideas on the run I have ever seen.

    Commenter
    Richo
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:30PM
  • Any thoughts on who is favourite? Let us know.

    Commenter
    chriss
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:30PM
    • My money is on the ear wax eater keV

      Commenter
      genghis
      Location
      Lounge
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:53PM
  • I think Kevin Rudd should run for deputy and lets keep Julia Gillard as the PM.

    This way it might work...

    Julia beating Kevin or vice versa in the leadership vote will make it easy for the opposition to attack.

    Joining up together will make things interesting.

    They can have different views, just look at Abbott and Hockey.

    Commenter
    David
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:29PM
  • Voting by tweets OMG what next.
    Who could believe any one of them that says anything -- untill this afternoons vote. They all seem to love a game when the wining is only about whats in it for me. Tho I must say a courageous move by Mr Creen (He will sink or swim from this) ..
    and Watch Bill Shorten up the odds as the day goes on ..

    Commenter
    Its like watching a slow moving train derail itself
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:29PM
  • jfraser must be madly getting support for Julia at the alp offices that's why he hasn't commented lol

    Commenter
    PTC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Oh, dear, the media got it right. So it wasn't a media beat up after all!

      Commenter
      Stop he rot
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:45PM
    • JF is too busy manning the phones for Dear Julia.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
  • What a joke , the bogan queen at her worst.

    Commenter
    Reggy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Yeh I watched Bishops speech, she ran out of puff and lost the plot.
      foaming and the mouth with rapidity then like a limp doll.

      Commenter
      I hope Julia wins
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:50PM
  • Again SMH headline is false and misleading. There was a vote on suspending standing orders. I have lost count how many of them there have been in this parliament - certainly over 30. Every single one of them has failed to pass. There WAS no vote of confidence.

    Commenter
    John
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:27PM
    • John, although the vote on standing orders wasn't a confidence vote, the actual voting figures are a strong indication that the Government no longer enjoys the confidence of the House.

      Commenter
      Stephen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:41PM
  • Is Paul Howes in Canberra today?

    Commenter
    dRod
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Paul Howes is in Canberra today and he was quoted as saying: "The leadership spill is underminding Harmony Day"

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:42PM
  • The events of today show yet again how Labor is an ineffectual party, arguing amongst themselves. Half of it is to do with leadership, the other half are the shonky policies, like the mining tax, media reforms, illegal refugees, housing insulation mess, the NBN white elephant, carbon tax, the budget surplus we wont have, the mess its made of employment policies, and the list goes on.
    If the government had done its homework and devised some decent policies the leadership issue would have disappeared.
    Come September, the Liberals will take over government almost by default.

    Commenter
    kingly
    Location
    BrisVegas
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Standard Qld Redneck comment..yawn

      Commenter
      mibs
      Location
      Clifton Hill
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:53PM
  • Sportsbet update:

    Rudd $1.38

    Gillard $2.80

    Other $13.00

    Salvaging the Labor brand .... priceless.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:25PM
    • $13 for other is actually looking pretty good value. Hell, I might even put my hand up for PM, everyone else has had a go.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:49PM
  • I just hope once this is done, you in the media stop inventing and perpetuating and manipulating leadership issues and stop reporting on individuals and start reporting on some positive things like our standing globally and social initiatives.

    Commenter
    Baz
    Location
    Deagon
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:25PM
    • Brilliant! Even after the spill has been announced & the ballot called for 4.30pm you're STILL blaming the media. Must be an in-built Labor mechanism.

      Commenter
      Hasbeen
      Location
      Umina
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:52PM
  • Ludwig's ""Haven't got a view," comment is laughable. Of course he already has his lackeys like Howes drumming up the votes for Gillard.

    Commenter
    beached
    Location
    Terrigal
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:25PM
  • Before people get too excited about a Rudd comeback let it never be forgotten that it was Rudd - in one of his first acts after assuming the prime ministership in 07 - who dismantled Howard's successful border protection pols and thereby opened the floodgates to the peaceful invasion of our country but tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.

    Rudd should not get the prime ministership, he should get the noose instead, for high treason.

    We must have an election now and end this disaster, this fiasco, this circus of a so-called government that has sent our country into a downward spiral from the minute they were elected.

    Just get out Labor.

    This is a Churchillian moment for Abbott to step forward and save our country.

    Commenter
    Idler
    Location
    Double Bay
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:25PM
    • Churchillian? Abbott?

      Churchill was appointed head of a war time coalition government comprising all sides of the Parliament because he was seen as the only figurehead acceptable to all. If you read the polls, Abbott's not even acceptable to the majority of cons voters let alone the Parliament, let alone the Australian people.
      He certainly has been roundly rejected by those who hold the balance of power - the independents.
      For anyone to become the PM, they need the confidence of the reps. Abbott can't even secure his own party.

      You're obviously as ignorant of last century's history as you are of current affairs.

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Abbott to save our country? You must be joking?

      Commenter
      laughable
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:06PM
  • Are now we have theater ! The worm has turned. Long live the worm. The pressure has finally forced the spill. I note in the public poll, Rudd has 51% public popularity over PM 19%. More than twice the popularity. The others don't come close. We know Labor can't win with such low polling, so it's crunch time.

    We could soon be talking about a spill in the Liberal Party if Rudd wins, as only Turbull could defeat Rudd. Abbot would loose to Rudd.

    Commenter
    Davo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Not sure about that. If i recall correctly, Gillard's move on Rudd was triggered by Abbott's rise to the leadership of the opposition. Turnbull was failing badly in prosecuting the cae against Rudd; Abbott was extremely effective.

      Commenter
      AVoiceOfReason
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Short memory Davo. Abbott was the reason that Rudd got knifed in the first place.

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:39PM
    • no davo..you are so wrong!... As soon as Rudd is installed ,abbot will remind everyone of why he was punted the first time...It will be beautiful to watch!

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:41PM
  • Rudd had a wardrobe change for QT

    Commenter
    Tanyajv
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:24PM
    • He's now dressed the same as Abbott.

      SkyNews have started a countdown clock to 4.30. Probably wouldn't have been allowed to if the free speech crackdowns had passed.

      I hope we haven't forgotten Conroy's contribution to the day, it was probably the trigger, or the straw at least.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:37PM
    • @ Hacka March 21, 2013, 3:37P

      " SkyNews have started a countdown clock to 4.30. Probably wouldn't have been allowed to if the free speech crackdowns had passed."

      Can't help yourself, can you Hacka? Just more evidence that you couldn't lie straight in bed.

      Commenter
      BillR
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:41PM
    • Oh do lighten up BillR, thought you'd be happy that Jules is still in charge.

      The Coalition are happy she's still leading the lemmings too.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 5:07PM
  • It's interesting to note that the only two independent to support Gillard by voting with the government on the no-confidence motion were Slipper and Thompson.....birds of a feather...flock together.

    Commenter
    Nando
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:24PM
  • Telling the opposition to take their best shot seemed a little pointless. It's her own caucus that will be deciding if she will be PM this afternoon, so her statement was rather meaningless.

    Commenter
    morph
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:24PM
    • @morph - that's just what Abbott was about in trying to get a no-confidence motion up. In the full knowledge of a spill at 4:30 the vote would have been breath-taking.

      Commenter
      RF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:01PM
  • Imagine Katter endorsing you as a leader, it is probably enough to put Kevin off! Maybe that's Katter's plan?

    Commenter
    Schooner
    Location
    The Hunter
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:23PM
  • "There is still silence from Kevin Rudd"

    Another world first.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Equal best comment of the day, tied with the 'harmony day' crack. Even J. "Slick" Fraser could manage a smile at that one...

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:30PM
    • He's "waiting for a mate"...

      Commenter
      Haya
      Location
      Melb
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:33PM
    • Rudd is playing choir boy at the moment. If he becomes leader it will prove once and for all that he does not speak the truth. He said that he would not seek leadership again. BS

      Commenter
      Craig
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Maybe he's busy with some ear wax

      Commenter
      Thomas
      Location
      Frenchs Forest
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Dale Kerrigan: Mum said it was funny how one day you're not famous, and the next day you are. Famous. And then you're not again.

      Commenter
      gman
      Location
      NSW
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:40PM
    • Nice work 'featured' boy.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Bet Tony is hoping for a Julia win, think it would be harder for him to win the next election if Kevin was Leader.

      Commenter
      maddogmuz
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:47PM
    • or "repetitive nonsense" J.Fraser

      Commenter
      morph
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:48PM
  • Just a quick observation -

    Harmony Day is going well so far!

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:22PM
  • If you listened to Julia Gillard speech today, it put Abbott as an average leader.

    Commenter
    jeff5555
    Location
    2115
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:21PM
    • Average would be fantastic compared to what the ALP has offered up over the last six years.

      Commenter
      Thomas
      Location
      Frenchs Forest
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:49PM
  • "I couldn't care whether Billy Billabong is Prime Minister of Australia," Mr Katter said.

    Never know - he's an outside chance.

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:21PM
  • Cmon tough talking PM. You squeeze in your snide tough comments in Parliament. Why dont you let the voters :"take their best shot"...cmon tough talker I dare you...

    Commenter
    Nite Lite
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:20PM
    • you will get your chance. Election on 14 September

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:35PM
  • Gillard has absolutely taken the crown of the wost PM in Australia's history and makes the consecutive trifecta of McMahon, Whitlam & Fraser look absolutely brilliant by comparison.
    A great move by Crean to go for the Deputy Leadership saying that he will be a check & balance on Rudd. This will appeal to those Labor members who still have a mistrust of Rudd.

    Rudd's only chance is to go to the polls quickly and campaign on what a "new" Labor government would do as to wait till September will show up that nothing much has changed and he will become the next Opposition Leader

    Commenter
    MVF
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:19PM
    • It's all relative, I guess. I see her as the best we've had in years.
      One gutsy leader.
      Who else could put up with the demeaning rot day after day?
      Wow, I hope she wins.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:35PM
    • I hope she wins too A CG. The electorate should not be starved of the right to give their canning in Sept.

      Commenter
      NSWLab
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:45PM
    • A country gal - "Who else could put up with the demeaning rot day after day" - all entirely of her own making. For Australia's future, we all hope she and Labor lose.

      Commenter
      hbloz
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:50PM
    • Then country girl, you must have very low expectations of what constitutes "best".
      Gillard has demeaned as much as she has been demeaned; is tainted by the legal shenanigans when she was a lawyer; acted like a dictator in appointing Carr & endorsing whatsaname for the NT Senator's position; been tactically deficient like with the current media bills; et al. She is best at nothing!

      Commenter
      MVF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:55PM
  • Just been polled by Roy Morgan

    Commenter
    dj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:18PM
  • Reading all that suggests that they are heading to an election (were there to be a no confidence motion in Parliament, Abbott won't even try to govern), so Labor gets to pick only a campaigner (well wannabe PM post-election).

    That favours Rudd...

    At least the Labor soap opera will end soon.

    Commenter
    Simon
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:17PM
  • As a labour voter for 55 yrs, Rudd will never get my vote. Given her minority government, Ms Gillard had done an outstanding job as prime minister. A most forward looking prime minister who will be missed by families and working class people. The lives of thes people will be far worse under an LCP government.

    Commenter
    Tom
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:17PM
    • Well said Tom - they will not get my vote under Rudd.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Tom, who are Labour and LCP? I assume you mean Labor and the Coalition (as opposed to the Liberal National Party?

      Commenter
      Schooner
      Location
      The Hunter
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:27PM
    • Tom you don't much about your own party most of the policies/ideas were Rudd's, Gillard just followed on with them, it is just that Gillard stuffed most of them up.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:30PM
    • Bet the single mums won't miss her...funny she apologises for forced adoptions but pulls the rug out from under those mums by taking away their welfare assistance...part of the reason so many gave up babies was because they weren't financially able to care for them..or told that anyway...I know because I was one.

      Commenter
      Get real
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:13PM
  • All we need is Benny Hill to make an appearance to top this comedy right off.

    Commenter
    Mal
    Location
    Cranbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:14PM
    • I think Benny's spirit might be a bit busy still on the Coalition side of politics. After all, they have just changed leaders while in government in Victoria and NT and the last opposition leader change in SA was a farce. And who can forget the three ring circus that was the Liberal leadership the day Tony took over? Federal Coalition will look just like that again when the polls go bad for them as they inevitably will this year, next year, in 2018 or whenever it happens.
      No rest in peace for poor old Benny. Too many sides of politics to keep up with!

      Commenter
      Brett50
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Yep, he would fit in well, sitting with Abbott, Bishop and Pyne.

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:36PM
  • Time for the so called independents to do the right thing and withdraw support for Gillard and Labor!

    Commenter
    Rusty
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
  • If Rudd wins there will be a heap of ALP ministers quitting won't there?

    Afterall, that's what they said they would do if they had to work under KRudd again.

    Can't wait

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
    • Roxon already left. Nobody could give a toss about Conroy (after this weeks humiliating effort) and Swan. Who else was there?

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:20PM
    • It could be the best thing that ever happened, they will have to work for their constituents that put them where they are in the first place.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • good riddance - anyone like Conroy who had a free ski holiday from Eddie Obeid should have resigned when that came out
      Rudd is the peoples choice, Gillard the hacks choice. He led us out of the wilderness, she and they are leading us straight back into it

      Commenter
      old school
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:35PM
    • There's the handbag squad of Wong, Pilbersek etc.

      Commenter
      Jane
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:53PM
    • Was that right? It's the same as the odds for Kevin to win Griffith at the next Federal Election, vs Liberals winning Griffith.
      It's currentsly at Kevin 1.33, Julia, 3.00.

      Commenter
      Pedant
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:12PM
  • I'm sick of it....choose a leader and call an election ....whoever wins ...get on with it.

    Commenter
    JT
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:11PM
  • Get on with having an election and get rid of an incompetent government with pathetic leadership. Great to see Gillard get knifed by the guy she knifed and will be even better to see Rudd get smashed at the election.
    This government could not run a chook raffle

    Commenter
    Damian Roberts
    Location
    Toorak
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:11PM
  • Crean13

    Commenter
    xavier
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:11PM
  • A great afternoon with the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad screaming like crows.

    All to no avail as the best person to be Prime Minister of Australia wins another round.

    The last political fight that "Slick" Abbott enters will be on September 14 2013 and once again he will lose.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • Wrong again YOU

      Commenter
      Jonaze
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:16PM
    • The only thing that is slick here J. Fraser is Julia Gillard and her empty promises with strings well and truly attached.

      Now she's just getting her union mates in the trough

      Commenter
      El Seano
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Just in case things don't go according to the script at 4.30, perhaps you should practice typing this:

      Prime Minister Rudd

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:20PM
    • Hello there, J "10 seat majority" Fraser.

      Commenter
      brian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:25PM
    • J "Sick" Fraser. The PM won nothing. 73 to 71 the last time I did maths means she did not win.

      Commenter
      Goodbye JF
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:32PM
  • And Crean is preening himself like a peacock thinking he's actually done something important for the first time in his public life. What a joke.
    He publicly backs Gillard again and again - until he's promised the deputy leadership, then whammo, changes camps in an instant. What a rat.

    Commenter
    blueyes
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • A mutineering turncoat is a more apt description

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:16PM
    • Blue Eyes, you are a cynic. Sky chanel are reporting that Crean acted unilaterally and only a fool or a cynic, after watching Crean live, would believe that he was lying.
      Either way, I feel sorry for you.

      Commenter
      sumo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:28PM
    • Spot on Blue Eyes. Crean has acted like a rate. Go Gillard!

      Commenter
      RobR
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:33PM
  • This had to happen and when Kevin returns to the PM ship we'll be in good hands.

    Commenter
    David
    Location
    Fletcher
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
  • Let's stick to the facts shall we? This is not a debate about every party policy. It is about the leadership decision at 4.30pm. Gillard is not the Labor voters choice to lead the country. She is the faceless men's choice. Rudd is the Qld choice. Rudd is the Labor voter's choice. Once that occurs Abbott as the leader of the Libs is finished. He cannot beat Rudd at an election but Turnball can. So after tomorrow you will see destabilising of the Libs and Abbott being replaced by Turnball. Finally, we will have a contest and finally those annoying one vote independents will be no longer.

    Commenter
    It's not rocket surgery
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • "Rudd is the Qld choice." - is that right Fraser of Qld? Lol.

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:22PM
    • Turnbull is the choice of Labor party supporters. And for that reason he is not the choice of Liberal party supporters.

      Commenter
      Lisa
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:34PM
    • Completely wrong ,Rudd was elected to represent his electorate, Caucus elected him pm. Voters in Qld like every other state and territory had absolutely no say in who was going to be the pm, this is not the usa the voters of Australia do not get to vote for the countries leader.

      Commenter
      rastus
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:39PM
    • Either Rudd or Turnbull would be a far better outcome for Australia, than Gillard or Abbott.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Bob Carr where are you? Carr for ALP boss. That shd give Macolm the excuse to unseat Tony. Only then do Australians have a chance at a decent govt.

    Commenter
    JCribb
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • JCribb,

      You can't be serious? Bob Carr for PM? Did you now witness what that pathetic excuse for a politician did to NSW? If he became the leader of the ALP, anyone could lead the Coalition to a victorty!

      Commenter
      Schooner
      Location
      The Hunter
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:18PM
    • Bob Carr?? Tell me you are kidding. Have you been following ICAC in NSW Bob's hands are not clean with regard to that.

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:40PM
  • "And Bob Katter makes a point of absenting himself from what he calls "political votes". " - if Bob Katter isn't interested in doing his job, maybe he should quit politics. What a limp wrist excuse.

    Commenter
    TeeJay07
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
  • At least if Rudd wins we'll see the last of Abbott as wee. The Libs will have Abbott out and Turnbull in by June at the latest.

    Abbott must be terrified.

    Commenter
    Anthony
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
  • Where is the WHO CARES option on the Labor leadership poll???

    Election NOW!!!!

    Commenter
    ljpmorgan
    Location
    Newtown
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
  • Gillard probably has played her cards wrong. She should go and likely will go. If she wins she will be the dead woman walking to her delayed election.

    If she had driven to Yarralumla and asked the GG to dissolve Govt the elction would be on like donkeykong and it would not be about leadership. She could have made it Gillard v Abbbott but now its Gillard vs ALP and then also Abbott.

    Bring on a election woman !

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
    • And you my friend have just proven your ignorance ,do you have anything positive to say ,she wont lose ,you have no respect for her position and you show you have little respect for women .
      i bet you would struggle to take direction from a Lady ,but thats okay we all know most men can't
      Your opinion and statement undermines my sexuality (male)

      Commenter
      disgrace
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:38PM
  • Abbot's comment about Labor Party's division, 20 minutes ago, seems reasonable. Julia's focus seems a little bit more personal protection and attack.

    Commenter
    Zokhai
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
  • 2:29 - "I am proud that this week we have extended more funding to women who work in childcare centres"

    But only if workers join unions right Julia? Otherwise force employers to fork out massive costs to allow them to receive this funding

    Commenter
    El Seano
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:08PM
    • LULWUT? Where on earth is the evidence for this assertion?

      Commenter
      Old bag
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:36PM
  • This is making me sick to my stomach. I do not want Rudd at any cost !! Doesn't this prove what he is like ?? If he stands he IS breaking his word as we who think always knew he would !!
    Please those who are voting today , think of why you wanted him gone !! Those reasons are still there. Get rid of him once and for all and give Julia a chance to shine . She has worked so hard against so much crap from every direction.

    Commenter
    DIDI K
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:08PM
  • How dumb do we look to the rest of the world ? Even our leaders cannot decide who should be in charge. The ALP needs to be dismantled and rebuilt - what a disgrace!

    Commenter
    SarWal
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:08PM
  • So after a couple of years of scheming behind the scenes, destabilizing the party, backstabbing and media leaks after he got replaced by Kevin Rudd as leader of the Labor party, Simon Crean decides it's time to destroy the Labor party even further. Talking about sour grapes and a thirst for revenge. Although he's even too much of a coward to come forward and claim the fruits of his hard work so he offers the poisoned chalice to Kevin Rudd. You sir, are an absolute piece of work.

    Commenter
    bent
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:07PM
  • Does the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad want their crow served up in a pie.

    Fair shake of the sauce bottle will be free.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • 2:06 pm

    I get the feeling those 6 people walking in a row into the chamber will have less responsibilities after 4:30pm.

    Well done Crean.

    Commenter
    Opinion Only
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Fair shake of the sauce bottle, you lot.

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Whenever Gillard speaks in Parliament, the opposition ( and majority of her own party) should be given a free bucket

    Commenter
    FGH
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:05PM
  • The PM is far from perfect but she's got important legislation through during her term. It's obvious this country is misogynistic and can not handle having a woman leading the country. Shame!

    Commenter
    PaddyC
    Location
    McMahons Point
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:04PM
    • Perhaps, just perhaps, it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Maybe, just maybe, it's to do with her being a total failure as PM.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:12PM
    • What a crock. Pulling the 'gender war' card every time something doesn't go your way is a cop out. Those of us who dislike labor couldn't give a rats what gender Julia or any other leader is. Right now, Labor is toxic, and they have been since Kevin. Until Labor finds its way back to being a champion of the working class people, they will continue to lose supporters such as myself, whether its Ruddy, Julia, or Crean.

      You demean her position by throwing around the misogyny card as often as you do.

      Commenter
      Wellsy
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:12PM
    • Hahahahahah.

      No.

      Commenter
      MyPetMonkey
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
    • Wrong. She is an idiot shouting "misogyiny" at every opportunity. Nobody said she is a stupid woman. Just a lawyer

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:15PM
    • 'Rodrigo' the point is she is not a 'total failure as a leader'. Her achievements have been listed in these blogs over and over again. Be reasonable.

      Commenter
      get-a-job-tim-of-altona
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:37PM
  • So will these same labor members who just voted in favour of confidence in Prime Minister Gillard to do the job still have confidence in her at 4.30pm during the spill? Genius motion!

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
  • The problem for Kevin is that if he becomes the leader, the opposition will be constantly questioning his integrity after he continuously said he would not seek the Labor leadership again.. In the case of Rudd it raises the question of whether his motivation is to serve the people or to serve his ego

    Commenter
    Marion
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • He hasnt sought re-election. He will declare his position in the party room and then the seret ballot decides her fate.

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
  • Ladies and Gents....

    I present to you a kinder, nicer, cuddlier Tony........................same as the old Tony.

    Commenter
    JBG
    Location
    sYDNEY
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • I thought his speech was very good and statesman-like. He can't be held responsible for the shamble that masquerades as our government across the bench.

      Commenter
      Rodrigo
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:19PM
  • Get ready Malcolm ! Start your campaign now...

    Commenter
    benco
    Location
    Fitzroy Nth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Abbott's days are numbered. The dogs are barking.

      Commenter
      Jn
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:03PM
    • We can only hope that if there is a change in PM then this puts pressure on the Libs to put Malcolm back into the top opposition job

      Commenter
      StunnedRabbit
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
    • you Labor supporters just don't get it, do you? Malcolm Turnbull will NEVER get enough support to lead the Liberal Party again.
      He'd be better off going to the Labor leadership spill & putting his name in to lead Labor.

      Commenter
      SG
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Katter was absent when the vote to suspend standing orders was aken. He needs more time to prepare for the upcoming election.

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:58PM
    • He's probably on the flight back home already. He wasn't the only one missing. I bet they would all be from WA, NT or FNQ.

      Commenter
      Lewis from The Hills
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:16PM
  • Given the historical banter around whether the Australian cricket captain or the Prime Minister is the most important person in the country, it is somewhat ironic that both may change within 24 hours, and in both cases to a man who many feel shouldn't be even be in the team, let alone its leader.

    Commenter
    the hawk
    Location
    NYC
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:58PM
  • "Windsor, Wilkie and Oakeshott voted with the Opposition."

    Wow, Gillard is gone........

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:57PM
    • They always do when there is a motion to suspend standing orders - it was not a no confidence motion.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • Don't be silly Tim - of course Jules will be PM for eternity you only need to ask J "Banana" Fraser... Maybe a policy that tells us who would be the leader for the next parliament would be a good start but then again how could you believe anything they say..

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:14PM
    • .. not just yet.

      Commenter
      Warren
      Location
      Alexandria
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:16PM
  • Sportsbet update:

    Kevin Rudd $1.33

    Julia Gillard $3.00

    No Shorten option.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:57PM
  • She didn't just survive - the vote never happened.

    Headline is highly misleading.

    Cross benches always vote for the ability to debate or vote a point. Doesn't mean they support the no-confidence motion.

    Commenter
    Richardw
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:57PM
  • Abetz - Inspirational speaker...

    Commenter
    JTHooker
    Location
    Melbs
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Either that was sardonic, in which case, +1, if not then perhaps you need to get out more, he's just a bland demagogue.

      Commenter
      Perk_Cartel
      Location
      Westgarth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:30PM
  • @Stephanie Peatling

    Now you can see how the day went when Prime Minister gave her rollicking speech that had "Slick" Abbott cringing in his chair.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:55PM
  • Forgive my ignorance

    73 - 71 which means 144 votes

    50% of 144 is 72

    The LNP got 73

    How is that not 50% + 1?

    Commenter
    Mark S
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:54PM
    • Absolute majority of the parliament (including members not present/abstaining, like it seems Katter was in this case)

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:09PM
    • Cheers. Thought that might have been the case.

      Commenter
      Mark S
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:11PM
    • Because you need 76 to win a motion to suspend standing orders - always has been always will be.

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
    • The speaker

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:17PM
  • Everyone, on this Harmony Day we should all go easy on the likes of J Frazer, Country Gal, Ross et al as I fear unless we do all their future posts will be in upper case.
    I mean, even the ALP is meeting this afternoon to vote, once again it seems, on being harmonious!

    Commenter
    thirtyoct
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
  • Katter wouldn't want a no confidence motion and possible election just yet. He needs more time to prepare.

    Commenter
    Jacko
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
  • If Rudd is the answer it must have been a really stupid question.

    Does no-one remember the schoolboy smirk on the floor of Parliament? the mangled syntax, the lack of action on climate or anything worthwhile.

    Short memories or rose-coloured rear-view mirrors. Very sad if this goose gets a second go.

    Then we will be faced with the choice between two party leaders and their imaginary friend.

    Commenter
    accent
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:51PM
  • What Abbott may be failing to realize is that this change of leadership could significantly shift the vote against him. He better be watching his own back very carefully

    Commenter
    Paul
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:50PM
  • If Mr Rudd becomes prime minister, I wonder how he will cope without a hard working deputy like Ms Gillard. Remember Kevin 747. Julia was running the country for probably half of Kevin's prime Ministership anyway. I guess he would need to call an immediate election before people remember how bad he was.

    Commenter
    Kenny
    Location
    Western Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:50PM
  • Maybe Craig Emerson could lighten the mood in the chamber with another rendition of "No Whyalla Wipeout right there on my tv"

    Commenter
    Luke
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Emerson is gone.!! Proves there must be a God of some description

      Commenter
      FGH
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • I wonder if the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad likes a fair shake of the sauce bottle over their crow.

    Iv'e got plenty to serve up to them.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:49PM
  • I'm voting Green too . . . the LNP have not put forward any decent argument for winning beyond "we'll be better that labor . . . and they sure as heck haven't put any decent alternative prime minster forward either,..

    Commenter
    fed up
    Location
    gold coast
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Notice all the tories are calling for an immediate election. What a surprise!

    Commenter
    stevet
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Oh God, know. Reading the news & feeling sick. If Kevin Rudd gets back in as PM - I'm leaving the country.

    How can anyone like him - not a genuine bone in his body. Just so arrogant

    Commenter
    liam
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:47PM
  • I'm of a mind that Julia Gillard will win this ballot. Either way it had to happen as Crean mentioned a good government with atough opposition and a hung parliament was being drowned out by "white noise".

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Oz
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Lost me with "a good government".

      Commenter
      Liz
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:00PM
    • I think Kevin will, but not Julia because she lost her attitude as a PM.

      Commenter
      Zokhai
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:12PM
  • Drama over, until afternoon tea time,
    good thing too, having the TV on annoys Mr. Whiskers.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Tell Mr Whiskers that at least if Gillard is turfed out, he can sleep a little better.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Oh he's not interested in politics, its all about bones and walkies, dogs have got their priorities sorted, thats for sure.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
  • Another wasted day from the damp squib "Slick' Abbott and his so called "conservatives".

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:44PM
    • Labor implodes and you blame Abbott! That's comedy gold from JSF@Q

      Commenter
      whatever
      Location
      not Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:58PM
    • A non-Gillard win will put the ALP in even deeper trouble.

      Commenter
      Marg
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Pretty good speech by Tony in my opinion - we will see plenty of it on the evening news. Hardly time wasted.

      Commenter
      mmamster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Au contraire, it's been the feel good comedy of the year so far.

      Commenter
      Today's Julia Flavour - Strong and Feisty
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Labor's doing this all by themselves. You must surely take today's "Comical Ali" award for blind ignorance.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • @J.Fraser: I hope Labor can put together a better team in opposition after September, than the pathetic rabble of union hacks currently in the ministry. Most voters in the next election are likely to be referred to in the future as Abbott's battlers.

      Commenter
      Colin Spencer
      Location
      Kangaroo Ground Vic
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Labor are totally unfit to govern anything. All this lot are interested in is to stay in power for as long as possible, whatever it takes and to hell with everything and everyone else. gillard is the worst prime minister in our history,rudd comes second. Why on earth would anyone want him back again. Just vote the whole damm lot out!

    Commenter
    Enough
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:44PM
    • Please, oh please, please, please save Julia Gillard. if she loses where will all out social benefits come from? We simply cannot afford another increase in price of our cafe lattes, They even charge 75c extra just for caramel. Its outragous. This is all Tony Abbott's fault

      Commenter
      Jane and Steven
      Location
      Leichhardt
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:57PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      Rusty
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:00PM
  • As a final act of desperation from a politically and morally bankrupt rabble, go on, bring back Kevvy (he's not the Messiah - he's just a nasty little boy) - it would be fitting to see the last legitimately elected PM get flogged like a drovers dog at the next election! The sooner the better!

    Commenter
    Dick Dekeen
    Location
    mongolia
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:43PM
    • There is no such thing as a legitimately elected PM. The PM is NOT an elected position. The PM is appointed by the Governor-General.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:27PM
  • Good Luck Julia from New Zealand. The ballot is at 6.30pm New Zealand time. Hope to see you as Leader again at that time. Best wishes!

    Commenter
    Melinda-Lee
    Location
    New Zealand
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Get back in the dole queue you.

      Commenter
      Henry
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
    • No, take a seat, make yourself a cupa tea and an Invercargill Roll,

      just go easy on the onion dear.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:06PM
  • Media tail wags political dog

    Commenter
    Chiklit
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:39PM
  • Sportsbet:

    Kevin Rudd $1.15

    Julia Gillard $5.00

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Was that right? It's the same as the odds for Kevin to win Griffith at the next Federal Election, vs Liberals winning Griffith.
      It's currentsly at Kevin 1.33, Julia, 3.00.

      Commenter
      Pedant
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:12PM
  • Good to see Julia playing the gender card to the death. As the final hours of this rabble of a Prime Ministership come to an end, I look forward to Labor under Rudd trying to shift the chairs on the titanic.
    What an absolute farce and insult to democracy this labor govt is.
    Good riddance.
    Bravo to Crean for calling the spill...he would not have done so without knowing Rudd has the numbers.
    Goodbye Julia, enjoy your state funded pension.

    Commenter
    Luke
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:37PM
    • I doubt anyone knows who has the numbers. Crean's actions mean that the leadership question is finally buried for this term. Whoever wins will be able to move forward without the "white noise" he is primarily trying to get rid of.

      Commenter
      Peter
      Location
      Oz
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:50PM
    • @ Peter, Crean would not put his career on the line without knowing Rudd had the numbers. As honourable as it is to think Crean has done this for the good of Labor, Honour left the labor party a long time ago. Its now about every man for himself, trying to save his skin and job at the next election. They will hitch their wagon to whichever lemon is going to give a better chance...Rudd.
      Gillard gone.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:05PM
  • Irrespective of the circus acts; this is making me feel very proud to live in democratic Australia. After 2 years or more in the doldrums; I sense a whiff of genuine democratic wind fluffing the sails up again.

    Commenter
    Epicurist
    Location
    Elysian Fields
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:37PM
  • Tony Abbott is not a "big enough man" and a "policy-weak man".

    Will Gillard now be criticised for being a misandrist?

    Commenter
    adrian
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:37PM
    • Impossible to do that when it is the truth.

      Although you can praise his policies right here in this forum.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
    • Gillard has been trying to turn women against Abbott for some time now.

      Commenter
      Roger
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:41PM
  • Rudd should stand by his word and not nominate for leadership. It would be the ultimate payback to the Party that knifed him

    Commenter
    Harry
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Maybe Rudd will not nominate, he said he would be drafted, so no doubt Crean will nominate Rudd. A technicality where he sticks to his word that he would not challenge again. Think about it a little.

      Commenter
      Cha
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:58PM
  • Seems a bit surreal that Julia is taking the fight up to Tony in spades while the biggest threat to her is quietly sitting right behind her.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:35PM
  • How many times can you say 'future' and not commit to 'present' issues, ensuring the 'future' actually has a roadmap worth following?

    Commenter
    Neilio
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:35PM
    • This is a very good point. Why does Labor start addressing important issues at the end of its term n Government and not at the beginning, and then promising "if we are re-elected..." It's total BS

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:46PM
    • Because there is no future with "Slick" Abbott.

      Or hadn't you noticed he has no policies.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:53PM
    • Don't worry the end of the Gillard Ineptocracy is nigh!!

      Commenter
      Andie
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:08PM
    • J Fraser, Abbott doesnt have to form and announce policies until the election is announced.
      Don't you get it?
      What an imbecile. Hope your crush Gillard gets smashed

      Commenter
      BoDiddley
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:23PM
  • Suddenly the Libs thinks it okay for an ALP leadership spill when Kevin Rudd was deposed - they were screaming - how terrible an elected PM got the boot. Talk about the 2 faced Libs - they're a complete laughing stock to people who understand the absolute negative and gutter politics they had a hand in dishing out to Julia from Day 1.
    As to the Kevin Rudd - do the damn graceful thing and simply resign - you're a cancerous sore that has never healed - you're a parasite of the first order - feeding and fueling the disharmony - they didn't call you the smiling assasin in Qld for nothing!
    Julia - hang tight - your government even as a minority government has put through more legislation and dealt with the tough challenges than either Kevin or Abbott could ever do.
    As to the rest of the ALP politicians - you're gutless wonders - acting like namby pambies because of a few opinion polls - get out and do what ALP politicians have done in the past - get behind your leader and sell what ALP really stands for to the Australian people.
    In others words all should wake up and take a damn good look at themselves.
    As to the media - you're not innocent bystanders - constantly fueling instability and the gutter and negative politics of the Libs.

    Commenter
    Desley
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:33PM
    • hear hear! Now if only everyone would take a step back and think about that!! Not holding my breath ...

      Commenter
      cocker spaniel
      Location
      Blackburn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:48PM
    • Very well said! 100% agree.

      Commenter
      Toby
      Location
      Darlinghurst
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:54PM
    • I am for Gillard and sincerely hope she will win. But this double standard is too much. Kevin had every right to fight back...if Julia had the right to toss him so he has the right to retaliate. You earn what you sow...that is the nature of the game

      Commenter
      Gerwin
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:01PM
    • Agreed.

      As a Labor supporter, I think KRudd is the worst possible person to have happened to it.

      Commenter
      Girl in Sydney
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:02PM
    • Good observation. The media are big players in this, no denying.
      Just waiting for all the smart Alec's to respond.
      Round one to Murdoch!
      Crean, has lost me totally.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:04PM
    • Hi Desley,

      I get the feeling you don't like what is going on. Do you think it is right to believe that one person is right, and everyone else (Labor Caucus, Coalition, Media, next doors dog) is wrong? I get the feeling the caucus knows a little more than you, somehow.

      Commenter
      Schooner
      Location
      The Hunter
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:07PM
    • Couldn't have put it better. Aussies are blind, they just can't see a good thing when it's right in front of them. Julia's a gem, she's delivered so many decent reforms amid treachery in her own party. Labor don't deserve to win the next election if their only alternative to PM is the self-serving, sanctimonious Rudd. Been there, had that - didn't work before, no reason to think things'd be different now. No need for the Liberals aka Tories to get their claws out, Labor's doing fine slashing itself to pieces on its own. Abbott's laughing all the way to the next election.....

      Commenter
      Eliza
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:19PM
    • I agree this Government despite its fragile coalition, has made enormous and hard decisions. It deserves sucess, the media has been extremely hard on Julia and at no time has she lost her cool. There should be more pollies like her, Australian Parliament would be better for it.

      Commenter
      peejay
      Location
      suuryhills
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Wow. Just wow.

    Can this farce of a political party sort itself out.

    What a joke. What jokers.

    Commenter
    taking the p1ss
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:33PM
    • yeah I wish the Labour party would get its act together too

      Commenter
      Jeromey
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
  • That is the price to pay for a PM that spent the last five years to sort out which hair colour she wants and then went for seemingly non-optical glasses. A bad, self-centred decision maker. Adios Julia, welcome back, Kevin 13!

    Commenter
    OA
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:31PM
  • there will be no stability under a government I lead!

    Commenter
    yulia guillardez
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
  • Unfortunately i believe Abbott will be PM after the election. But having met him at work i will never acknowledge him as a leader.He had no time for any real questions and only wanted to talk to the owners.My brother and i employ 80 workers and none of them got a serious answer from Abbott about any proposed IR reforms.But when he spoke with us he told us he would make it easier to fire less productive workers,which is something we did not need as we usually just talk to the person and change position they are in to suit they're skills better.

    Commenter
    fraz1
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Fraz1, I feel sure you are right. People won't know what's hit them if Abbott and the Libs win power. We will become a nasty, mean country with all power to the wealthy and the selfish. As for the environment, forget it. The LNP certainly will. The thought is utterly depressing.

      Commenter
      pol
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:18PM
  • It beggars belief that as her house burns down around her, in the ultimate act of political self immolation, the PM can say this government has governed well

    Commenter
    Little Johnny
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
  • I wonder if this is a deliberate attempt to force the Rudd camp to a vote prematurely to ensure that they don't have time to build up the numbers to topple Gillard? Keep in mind that Rudd hasn't launched a leadership challenge - Simon Crean has deliberately brought the issue to a head. Who's to say that he's not still loyal to Gillard and secretly acting on her orders? If Rudd is forced into a leadership challenge before he has the numbers to make a move, Gillard can neutralize the influence of his faction for the remainder of the election campaign. If Rudd loses the leadership spill this afternoon, he is a spent force. And if he doesn't stand for the leadership, it would be almost impossible for him to challenge again. Indeed, he best possible outcome for the PM would be to be reelected to the leadership of the party unopposed - that would kill the ongoing rumors of disaffection and force the party to unite behind her. Interesting days indeed.

    Commenter
    Cryptopunk
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
  • It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I was personally flummoxed when Labor MPs didn't give Julia the heave-ho when they had the chance a year or so ago. Now you have to wonder if they have left it too late.

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Maybe they are just trying to ditch
      non-surplus-Swan?

      Commenter
      yys
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:55PM
  • the TV camera panned across the grim faces of the Government as Abbott made his no confidence speech. Well their actually was one Labor member with a big smile on his face Harry Jenkins, I guess he is finding revenge to be sweet treat over how he was treated.

    Commenter
    fm boot
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:29PM
  • The bogan "Slick" Abbott for Prime Minister ha ha ha ha.

    The "Slick" Abbott cheer squad get more and more desperate as each day goes by.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:28PM
    • There is only one desperate lot of voters and you definitely belong to them. Just one of a handful of people that couldn't see this coming due to your head being buried in the sand and if it did well it was someone else's fault. Anyway if you believe that things are going to get worse under Abbott maybe you could move your "business" to Greece as according to you it will probably self-destruct here and give us all a rest.

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:58PM
  • Haha, this is beautiful. The beginning of the end for labor and all you lefties. I am going to sit back with a coldie and watch this train wreck of a party unravel. Gold.

    Commenter
    nickrivers
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:28PM
    • Well go on then, tell us why you want Abbott at the helm....what's he going to do for you? What exactly are his party's policies, besides stealing from the poor to give to the rich? Not wanting Labor in power does not mean Liberal are a viable alternative. How are they going to make the country better? Oh yes, they haven't actually got around to telling us yet have they? Only a fool would vote for a party which promises.....nothing. If they told us there's a real danger we might not vote for them. Brilliant!

      Commenter
      MikeS
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:49PM
  • BillR, ThinkBig, Jofek, Country Gal, Ross from M,

    and of course J."slick"Fraser.

    A simple appology to all the reporters and posters you have criticised about a leadership challenge is in order.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:28PM
  • This is it - Gillard and Rudd will go up over the parapet when the whistle sounds at 4.30pm today. Only one will come back.

    Commenter
    Smack
    Location
    City of the Fallen or for today- Two Steps From Hell
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:27PM
  • I can see it. The light at the end of the tunnel. Come on Labor MP's redeem yourselves and do something good for the country, put Rudd back in and send the people to the polls!

    Commenter
    panda
    Location
    perth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:27PM
  • Kevin Rudd=most popular politician in Australia...Abbott = most disliked bloke in Australia..no brainer...bye bye Tony hehe.

    Commenter
    Toxic Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Interesting. So what will the independents do now - support Elmer (Fudd)? What sort of 1/4-baked budget do we expect in May now?

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:31PM
    • I will hold you to this comment. Remember it well in Sep when your favorite is left with only a marginal 28% of the vote. On another note: Bye Gillard.

      Commenter
      Liberator
      Location
      SEQLD
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Rudd may be popular? Is certainly a Dudd at leading the country!

      Commenter
      Rudd is a Dudd
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:34PM
    • Most hated party = Labour
      most Liked = LNP
      = bye bye Labour

      Commenter
      Graham H
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:34PM
    • You already assume Labor will shaft the most unpopular politician in the country.

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:38PM
    • haha you're kidding yourself

      Commenter
      matt
      Location
      syd
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Toxic Tony are you on drugs?
      Rudd is just as big a lemon as Gillard and will also lead Labor to oblivion.
      Tony Abbott is the least of your beloved ALPs problems.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:40PM
    • What planet do you live on Toxic?

      Commenter
      lg
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:41PM
    • It would be great if it was that easy but I think Rudd's popularity is mainly amongst Liberal supporters

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:42PM
    • not so simple, Rudd needs total party support, this will just make the split a chasm

      Commenter
      paul of chester
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Thanks for that Simon. Time now to take Marty by the hand and head back to the 20th century where you both belong. Along with Hawke and Keating you are now an anachronistic embarresment to the Labor Party and any attempt that it may make to enter the 21st century. Cheers.

    Commenter
    Ian L
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:24PM
  • Rudd should maintain his dignity (and honesty?) and not contend the leadership.

    Commenter
    Zuma
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:23PM
    • Agree, do the party what the party did to him.

      Commenter
      Rusty
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:35PM
    • He hasn't challenged so he has kept his word. I think he would be crazy to take it on because they don't really have a hope but if he did win it for the ALP I would be less upset than have to put up with another term with Ms Gillard at the helm (and Swan who I detest). I'm listening to her now but its like a buzzing insect..I can't stand it.

      Commenter
      for the love of God.
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Yeah Right, he has a few scores to settle. so tha'ts not going to happen

      Commenter
      Graham H
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:36PM
  • Is Harmony Day over?

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:21PM
    • As "Slick" Abbott would say ...... ha .............. ha .....................................ha.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Today's best comment. Love your work SteveH. Keep up the good fight (I'm loving this). Are you reading this, J. "Slick" Fraser?

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:33PM
    • SteveH

      Jobs done. We can now pull the Internet chord. See you at 5pm at the regular. We can watch the result over a cold one.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:46PM
    • LOL Steve H

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:10PM
    • I agree adamc, all this leadership speculation is just a fanciful invention of the media. It's so embarrassing that all these rightwing conservatives fall for Murdoch's rubbish, they truly are an ignorant lot, totally disconnected with reality.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:21PM
  • I don't care who wins the ballot at 4.30pm. What about you guys, Whyalla, ACG, J.Fraser, Think Spin? Oh that's right there is no challenge ... must be a media beat-up.

    Commenter
    Hasbeen
    Location
    Umina
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:20PM
    • They're all very quiet aren't they? Don't forget Bazza. Anyway, they'll have their singing time when the Libs put their show on (aka Turnbull v Abbott) soon.

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:35PM
    • You're a big disappointment Crean, I would have thought someone with as much experience as you would be wiser, but no. Julia is the only one who could lead Labor to a victory and that's because of a few simple facts. She has the ability to focus while everybody around her is all over the place, she's a million times smarter than Abbott and would eat him up in any verbal contest.

      Commenter
      Code Red
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:50PM
    • All baseless speculation, and you dummies fall for it it's so sad!

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:00PM
    • A vote for the greens is a vote for Labor.

      Commenter
      bearforce1
      Location
      SYDNEY2000
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:19PM
    • A vote for the greens is a vote for Labor.

      Commenter
      bearforce1
      Location
      SYDNEY2000
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:19PM
  • It's all about survival, to swill at the taxpayers' trough. That is why Kevin Rudd will win. With him, they have a slight chance.

    Commenter
    JoJo
    Location
    Gladstone
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Yeah, damn Labor, trying to win an election. How dare they!

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:49PM
  • If this is how Harmony Days play out it's probably best we only have one a year.

    Commenter
    sjr001
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:16PM
  • The honorary guest at question time,the new leader of Afghanistan must be thinking "wtf have I gotten my country in to!!!"

    Commenter
    australianpoliticsisadisgrace
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Well well well it looks like the narrative had some truth to it, go figure.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:16PM
  • Crean says "I do not believe that the position we find ourselves in in the polls is just due to destabilising. It's due to a number of decisions which I won't go into."

    Is he referring to the Obeid fiasco?

    Commenter
    Helken
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:16PM
  • Go Kevin. You'll always have my vote.

    Commenter
    Party Stooge
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:15PM
  • The sad thing is even if Gillard survives the challenge the Murdoch muckracking media will still be as anti labor as ever an will still harass her..sad that someone that gave up their birthright to become an american can meddle in our affairs.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:14PM
    • Hilarity.

      Seriously, how can everything be Rupert Murdoch's fault? And is Julia ever - ever - responsible for any of her own stuff ups?

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:21PM
    • They are spilling the Leadership (again), and its still Murdoch's fault? Seriously? Last week you lot were saying the leadership crisis was a media generated phenomenon, and here we are today, about to put a sacked PM back into office? Is that Murdoch's fault? I understand you are upset, but oxygen is underrated. Try and breathe some of it.

      Commenter
      Llama Farma
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:24PM
    • @ Steeden.

      You are so rusted on, you are embarassing yourself..

      Commenter
      nickrivers
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:41PM
    • No one with any commonsense.

      Commenter
      Brow
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:13PM
    • No one with any commonsense.

      Commenter
      Brow
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:13PM
    • many more after today, I feel

      Commenter
      paul of chester
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:11PM
    • many more after today, I feel

      Commenter
      paul of chester
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:11PM
  • Tony doesn't have confidence in Julia

    I had feeling he was going to say that.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:11PM
  • The Labor party is doomed and I think the people deserve to have there collective say ASAP by virtue of an election.

    Commenter
    Rusty
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Too right, we don't want an unelected leader. Election in Victoria now!

      Commenter
      Zoibil
      Location
      Melbn
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:52PM
  • This is clearly a fabricated story made up by Fairfax and Murdoch for the purposes of fuelling the leadership debate. HA HA HA!!! See you later Gillard. Bring on the election and lets get rid of this incompetent Government. They have no one to blame but themselves. Not Fairfax, not Murdoch, not J. "Slick" Fraser, and certainly not Abott.

    Commenter
    Llama Farma
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:11PM
    • And why is Labor destabilised? Nothing to do with relentless, harping criticism from the media regardless of how well things are done? Labor/Gillard haters might find the public is not as stupid as they themselves are.

      Commenter
      Serf
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:24PM
    • @ Serf, it has nothing to do with the media, but everything to do with Gillard and her band of merry fools utter incompetence.
      Look at the shambles that has presided over parliament this week with Conroys media laws which are now history...what a farce. What a disgrace.
      Good bye Labor, keep blaming the media at the expense of internal reflection and reform...you;'re going to need tonnes of it after the next election.

      Commenter
      Luke
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:42PM
    • @ Luke, the only thing the failure of the media reform bill showed was the faces of the gutless wonders who were too afraid to stand up the self-serving interests of the media barons.

      Commenter
      Serf
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:00PM
  • Give the leadership to Rudd - it's a poisoned chalice. Labor will be thrashed in the election, and we won't have to put up with that nasty little man anymore.

    Commenter
    Noodles
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:10PM
    • There must be many labor voters such as myself who will vote Green in disgust if there is a change in leadership. It has been whiteanting all the way.

      Commenter
      Sas
      Location
      Coffs Harbour
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:21PM
    • @Sas

      This is not about voting for the Greens. They are doomed to oblivion come the next election

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:44PM
    • Are you silly enough to believe that voting Green is anything other than defacto voting ALP?

      Unless you preference the Coalition ahead of the ALP of course...

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:18PM
  • They all want Rudd???????
    Don't they understand what he is?????
    Populist, self important, egotistical, control freak.
    If the Labor Party are returned in September just on the basis of Rudd leading them then God help Australia.
    One man a government does not make nor a political party.
    Wake up to yourselves Australia!!!

    Commenter
    Realist
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Did you misspell Abbot there? Can't tell em apart.....

      Commenter
      Bonzo
      Location
      Outer Space
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:21PM
    • I voted for Rudd.
      I want him back.
      My vote Will count!
      Thought you should know!

      Commenter
      Alexey
      Location
      Cheltenham.
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Labor is bad but Greens?!!!! They would be a real disaster. Look what they have done to the Labor while in coalition with the current government. They have incurred us 280 billion dollars debt for some 'pie in the sky' programmes.
      I think I will vote 'None of the above' this time.

      Commenter
      Trek
      Location
      Springvale
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:08PM
    • Labor is bad but Greens?!!!! They would be a real disaster. Look what they have done to the Labor while in coalition with the current government. They have incurred us 280 billion dollars debt for some 'pie in the sky' programmes.
      I think I will vote 'None of the above' this time.

      Commenter
      Trek
      Location
      Springvale
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:08PM
  • Gotta love the predictable ALP. I am so glad I changed my moniker today of all days.

    Gongrats to the smh for reporting on the news as it was breaking and not after, despite the protest of some of your more biased readers.

    Commenter
    AllMSMedia'sFault
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:07PM
  • We welcome the next PM Kevin Rudd.goodby Abbott,hello Turnbull.

    Commenter
    Toxic Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Elmer Fudd? Same circus, different tent. Eh Fraser?

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:14PM
  • Is Crean trying to push Rudd faster than Rudd's growing support base? What if Jool's gets the numbers again? Poor old Rudd thrashed by an etymological fart three times? Perhaps Rudd should talk to J.Fraser?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Not me - no way in the world!! Maybe ET will vote for them. I hope and pray that the Greens and the Independents are gone gone gone together with the Labor Party at the next election. Australian Politics is a joke. Roll on the Federal Election......

      Commenter
      Maza
      Location
      Perth WA
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:04PM
    • Not me - no way in the world!! Maybe ET will vote for them. I hope and pray that the Greens and the Independents are gone gone gone together with the Labor Party at the next election. Australian Politics is a joke. Roll on the Federal Election......

      Commenter
      Maza
      Location
      Perth WA
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:04PM
    • me!

      Commenter
      KellyE
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:02PM
    • me!

      Commenter
      KellyE
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Yes, I'm thinking of doing the same. After watching the senate last night & witnessing Christine Milnes question re an enquiry into why we went to war in Iraq which was subsequently answered in the negative by the Attorney General, it left me with a nasty taste in my mouth.
      The Greens seem to be the only party to be willing to openly question why Howard was only too willing to bark like a little chihuahua at GW Bush's feet & join the so called "coalition of the willing" in a murderous illegal invasion totally based on a lie !!

      Commenter
      Keep it Green !
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Yes, I'm thinking of doing the same. After watching the senate last night & witnessing Christine Milnes question re an enquiry into why we went to war in Iraq which was subsequently answered in the negative by the Attorney General, it left me with a nasty taste in my mouth.
      The Greens seem to be the only party to be willing to openly question why Howard was only too willing to bark like a little chihuahua at GW Bush's feet & join the so called "coalition of the willing" in a murderous illegal invasion totally based on a lie !!

      Commenter
      Keep it Green !
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
  • How many more shambolic decisions will Labor make before the election?
    Stuff ups with media laws, anti discrimination laws, far too early election announced, now a leadership spill.
    Change leaders? Mcternan will still be trying to sell the same dud product.

    Commenter
    yys
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
  • This will not resolve anything. Rudd will be white-anted again by his own party. Shorten will have to wait his turn a little longer

    Commenter
    Bill
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
  • I am amazed that this Labor bunch are so arrogant that they think a change back to Rudd will save them. Lets have an election and get this useless mob out.

    Gillard is so far up herself she cant see the tree's for the forrest.

    Commenter
    Gage
    Location
    Perth
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
    • Obviously you don't mind selling out Australians to big business which is what Abbott stands for. If you don't believe that you're a fool. Come to think of it....

      Commenter
      Code Red
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:14PM
  • I've heard the Independant media doesn't believe this story, so they won't report it.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
  • Knifed leaders calling for knifed leaders to knife their leaders. This is fair-dinkum Shakespearean (as filmed by Kurosawa).

    Commenter
    Methuen
    Location
    Brunswick
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
    • I dunno about Shakespeare, but there is definitely something of the melodramatic tragedy about federal politics at the moment.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:14PM
    • More Days of Our Lives than Shakespeare but I take your point.

      Commenter
      Olaf
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:53PM
    • well said.

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      The Original
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:54PM
  • All the polls that prefer Rudd as PM include Lib voters. What does it matter what they think??

    Commenter
    Gj
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:57PM
    • So that''ll be 16 people voting Green then? Might as well vote for Goofey.

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • So that''ll be 16 people voting Green then? Might as well vote for Goofey.

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
  • As usual J.Fraser has been out making money, just as I did yesterday while the "Slick" Abbott cheer squad sat here calling for me.

    "Slick" Abbott will still have to face P.M. Julia Gillard at the end of the day.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Here are some quotes from Comical Ali your dear leader can use at QT:
      "They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks."
      "No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:04PM
  • Are we there yet?

    Commenter
    Richard
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:55PM
  • If only it was an Abbot v Turnbull situation, not Rudd and Gillard. Labor has no hope

    Commenter
    Peony
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:55PM
  • Would the last Labor Party member to leave Parliament House today please turn the lights off

    Commenter
    Bob
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:54PM
  • Smitho and Albo - Doomsday scenario

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:54PM
    • i always do, but I like, respect PM Gillard.
      This is dirty and disresptful on Harmony Day. Thumbs down to Crean.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
    • i always do, but I like, respect PM Gillard.
      This is dirty and disresptful on Harmony Day. Thumbs down to Crean.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
  • ALP is choking on it's own vomit it seems! What will Paul Howes be thinking having a leadership spill without his knowledge...the blood letting will be a protracted affair, poor Billy Shorten won't know what to do now with all his spare time...perhaps plot another midnight coup? My regret is not being able to see the incompetent ALP government routed and destroyed at the upcoming election under the bumbling Gillard, Swan and Shorten etc.

    Commenter
    busterboy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Couldn't agree with you more. This current lot really need to front-up to the electorate in Sept, not some replacement scapegoats....or just goats.
      Anyway, how can they change govn leadership this close to the budget??

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Get a grip buster boy and grow up, you have lots to learn yet. a different between a thug and a brilliant PM labor party , when you find out the difference between those two then write a comment. there is a vast difference , one is called julia and the other Tony, the one i would choose would be Julia, she is smart, tough as nails and she will win the next election, because Abbott will be stood down.

      Commenter
      Mary
      Location
      nsw
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:02PM
    • Fortunately only at most 11% of the voting population.

      Commenter
      not green
      Location
      a green place
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
    • Fortunately only at most 11% of the voting population.

      Commenter
      not green
      Location
      a green place
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
  • This is Gillard's final QT as PM. Better make it a good one!!!!!!!

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
    • What's Tom Waterhouse offering - probably more accurate forecast than the media BS over the last week

      Commenter
      Brendan
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:12PM
  • And we’re racing.
    ‘Crean’s Wish’ has dashed out of the barrier and is trying to take ‘Krudd’ with him, while ‘Abbott Has It’ has already hit the lead comfortably with ‘Who Gives a Crap’ not far behind. ‘Conroys Folly’ looks to accelerate but has stumbled badly and is now drifting well back towards the back of the field where ‘Gillards Done’ and ‘Swan’s Song’ are bringing up the rear. ‘Turnbull’s Hope’ appears to have run his race and ‘Hockey’s Hoe-Down’ is disappearing with ‘Belly Up’. In the middle of the field there is shoving going on between ‘Reverse Carr’ and ‘Shorten Fuse’ while ‘Bishops Hair’ appears to be styling for a finish.
    Into the straight, it’s ‘Crean’s Wish’, ‘Krudd’ , ‘Who Gives a Crap’ and ‘Last Hope’ trying to catch ‘Abbott Has It’ while ‘Swan’s Song’ and ‘Gillards Done’ are giving one final effort but to no avail. It is ‘Abbott Has It’ who gets to the line in a canter with ‘Who Gives a Crap’ second and ‘Crean’s Wish, Krudd’ rounding out the four.

    Commenter
    kp
    Location
    brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:52PM
    • There are no adults in parliament only self-interested attention seekers

      Commenter
      Labor is gone
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:52PM
    • There are no adults in parliament only self-interested attention seekers

      Commenter
      Labor is gone
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:52PM
    • The Greens would never do something like this on a day like today. Simon Creans ego along with his bible belong in the recycling bin.

      Commenter
      Small I please ?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:51PM
  • He'' be forever known as Custard Crean after this mutiny.

    Commenter
    Labor is gone
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:50PM
  • Trimel, pull your head out of your backside. In Australia, we elect parties. We're not America, we don't elect 'people's Prime Ministers'.

    If you can't understand that you shouldn't be voting.

    Commenter
    Not America
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:50PM
  • Urgh, they reinstall Rudd and I will be done with the ALP.

    Commenter
    em
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Urgh, if they keep Gillard we will all be done with Labor!!

      Commenter
      GJS
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • +1

      Signed
      J.Fraser

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:57PM
    • + 2

      Commenter
      zacca
      Location
      adelaide
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:11PM
  • One thing left for Gillard to do - CALL AN ELECTION NOW.
    Tell 'em they can all get stuffed & lose their seats - Do it Julia, DO IT!!!!!!

    Commenter
    Blueyes
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:49PM
    • You're right BlueEyes. The Labor Party knives are slashing and burning the entire Labor foundation. If I can't have it , then nor can you !!!!!

      Commenter
      Bob
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:57PM
  • Sweet Jesus, what next? An election and now, please before we all die of embarrassment

    Commenter
    Dimpy
    Location
    Cooma
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Why? What have they to offer to the real world...?

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Cooma
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:48PM
  • It's simple!. Simon wants to clear the decks, and rearrange the deck chairs on "SS TITANIC LABOR". Meanwhile, Tony, the captain of the rescue vessel "SS LNP" is racing towards the disaster scene at full speed...Tweedledum or Tweedledee.

    Commenter
    Showerbucket
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:47PM
    • If you're going to invoke the Titanic, remember no vessel made it to the Titanic. The Carpathia was 9 hours away.....if LNP is Carpathia, they will be too late, too slow and miss the whole event.

      Commenter
      tombrom
      Location
      Los Angeles
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
  • “Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful... Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.” -Charles Bradlaugh, 19th century reformist.
    Gillard/Conroy sought to deny us free speech. Big mistake. Never, ever take on the media in any other forum but a Court of Law if you feel defamed.

    PS: I too have changed my opinion of Crean. Henceforth shall he be known as 'Cohones Crean'.

    Commenter
    Epicurist
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
  • If new media reports are true, it's all over. The Ruddslide is on.

    Goodbye Gillard. Thanks for nothing. The worst ever.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:45PM
    • Juvenile remark as always Hacka!

      Commenter
      eyeroll
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • You will probably still get the same clowns denying anything is going on in the Labor party like they have been all week.

      Commenter
      adrian
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
  • What a class act master-negotiator Gillard is.
    If she "wins" the Labor Party is doomed
    If she "loses" , the Labor Party is doomed
    And all with no shred of dignity.
    Just a blatant lust for power

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    hades. missouri. land of the free
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:45PM
    • another Lib supporter why don't people swing a little more not whats best for yourself but whats best for this country

      Commenter
      Robo 1955
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:05PM
    • What is going to be better under Abbott? Anyone?

      Commenter
      Haggis
      Location
      Gosford
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:41PM
  • we are going to resolve this issue ' . . . once and for all . . . ' - how many of these 'once-and-for-all' events must we endure ???

    Commenter
    gm256
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:45PM
  • Finally a Labor politician with some humility. Gillard leads with hatred and venom. A dangerous ingredient to instill into politics and the Australian community.

    Commenter
    It'stimetogoJulia
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:44PM
  • Finally an adult enters the room.

    Commenter
    Greg
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:42PM
  • I'm voting Green. Who's with me?

    Commenter
    Mimaranda
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Why? What have they to offer to the real world...?

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Cooma
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:48PM
    • The Greens would never do something like this on a day like today. Simon Creans ego along with his bible belong in the recycling bin.

      Commenter
      Small I please ?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:51PM
  • I thought Eddie was running NSW Right - has something changed?

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Eddie is too busy in ICAC and after being sacked from Labor to have much say.

      Torbay has joined Eddie's que

      And NSW State Labor does not run Fed Labor

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:01PM
  • The Labor problem started when Rudd was deposed as the PEOPLE'S ELECTED PM.

    I hear people say the electorate votes for the Party - this surely proves that wrong!

    Between Party politics and Press driven speculation - we'll all know who's in Power by the end of September '13.

    And that Power will be GIVEN to Politicians by the Australian Voters - again!!

    Commenter
    trimel
    Location
    Gosford
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:40PM
    • How many times to people have to be told. The PM is not elected, the party is and the leader of the party assumes the mantel. You do not vote for the PM you vote for your local member. We do not have a presidential election system. It's pretty simple.

      Commenter
      eyeroll
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:00PM
  • Crean doesn't want the leadership now, much better to send Rudd in as the patsy who will lead them into an election, lose in a landslide, and then Crean can take over from there.

    Commenter
    Liz
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Exactly. Except the Party will no longer back Crean after the next election. It would be hilarious if Rudd refused to challenge. Crean would end up in the funny pages

      Commenter
      Paul
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
    • nope crean would end up going after the leadership himself if Rudd didn't challenge

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
  • JFraser - are you there?

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:39PM
    • I think he's having a lie down and some Xanax with Wipeout et al. in a very dark room. The meditation chill music will be playing, zen gongs chiming......

      Commenter
      Maxx
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Really Maxx - He always stuck me somewhat of an accomplished banjo player,

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Probably on the floor in the foetal position clutching something "slick"

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      The Burbs
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:58PM
    • ala deliverance @smack?

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:13PM
    • shiy - you got it!!

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen or Two Steps From Hell
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:32PM
  • Well, well, well....

    Still waiting for all those Labor supporters who said the media was making all of this up to concede they were wrong.

    Commenter
    adrian
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
    • The media storm did help to create this state of affairs. If it goes ahead I am part wrong. If you think that 1000 days of press undermining asking the same question has no effect then you should check the history books. Its not all media but a lot of it is...

      Commenter
      Gj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:00PM
    • The media have the usual Rudd return whenever it is a slow news day. Readers should be used to that.

      it would now appear that the "leak" has been Crean and we are awaiting the next editions of the saga.

      If Rudd does put his hand up for another challenge and loses, he better resign from the Labor Party.

      If Crean fails in his push for Rudd, then Crean will end up either on the back bench or out the door - with Rudd

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:06PM
    • It's called a feedback cycle. The media whip up a story, the backbenchers get nervous and start thinking a new leader might save their jobs, which causes leadership speculation and so on. Understand? Julia has done a great job overall as PM.

      Commenter
      Code Red
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:15PM
    • ccb

      Doesn't really matter so much for Crean. He has been in the system long enough to have a nice earner in Super. And, there is always the overseas posting to round things off.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:23PM
    • I'm here and I'll stand by every remark re the medias influence in politics I've ever made.
      Try the NBN for the bottom line.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:39PM
    • If you flops really believe the media is responsible for persuading the government to change leaders, what does that say about the government then?

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:42PM
    • No once again we have been proved rig!!!!

      Commenter
      AustraliaFirst
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:18PM
  • This is Excellent news. As i have said before "Labor will eat itself". A virtual Canables smorgasboard.

    Commenter
    Give Diggers back their rights
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
  • The sooner the fruits in the Labor/Greens alliance get turfed out, the better off this country will be. This lot are unelectable. look forward to giving my Labor MP the arse. Come back when you've cleaned up your act and endorse candidates on merit instead of along factional lines.

    Commenter
    Jack Black
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
    • The phrase "Pyrrhic victory" springs to mind. The LNP and supporters should bear that in mind

      Commenter
      Ian
      Location
      Freantle
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:55PM
    • eggszackerry!! Rudd has gotta get the timing just perfect and time the actual election day for when he is at the expected peak of his bounce and it will be way before September!

      Commenter
      eyeswideopen
      Location
      earth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
  • Aussie who has been working overseas in Asia for more than 20 years. Seen 'em all come and go on their junkets up north. Seen the competent and the crazy, our elected leaders. Met most of them as well. My views on Julia Gillard are unprintable, however, Tony Abbot isn't the answer either. Hopefully the ALP will wake up and put Rudd back in power, and next week the Libs will remove Abbot in favor of Malcolm Turnbull.

    Commenter
    Jock
    Location
    Overseas
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:37PM
    • There are hardly any electable people in poli-ticks these days. Those who would be any good are slaving away in private business facing ever rising costs and compliance red (& green) tape imposed by the current crop of parasites; we are unable to get out of the vicious cycle.
      What do you do when there is no one suitor suitable to apply your vote to..??

      Commenter
      Andrew
      Location
      Cooma
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:53PM
    • my thoughts as well.

      Commenter
      fraz1
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:48PM
  • Oh J Frasier of Queensland.
    Nothing to look at here mate, it's all a media beat up!!!
    LOL

    Commenter
    thirtyoct
    Location
    sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:36PM
    • +1

      Commenter
      af612
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:48PM
  • What the Australian public would like to see? Rudd v Turnball election.

    Commenter
    chucky75
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:36PM
    • tell him he's dreamin"

      Commenter
      fixer
      Location
      the old oz.
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:06PM
  • J.Fraser

    Is Simon Crean to be trusted, Fraser? Calling on Jool's to step down so he can mentor Rudd on how to behave as the new P.M.? And all done without Slick Abbott? What next Jool's as Ambassador to Moscow? Brrr out in the cold, Fraser?

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Simon Crean = Charlatan

    Commenter
    Helen
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:36PM
  • Seriously? Crean calls for the spill while the forced adoption apology speeches were still going? Forget the poor optics that's just flat out disrespectful. .

    Commenter
    wonk_arama
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:36PM
    • Labor values - what do you expect

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:52PM
  • Ms Gillard and the ALP caucus created this mess when they removed Rudd as PM, and they can now take responsibity for cleaning it up. This of course will all repeat itself when Abbott gets into power, as there a knives ready in the LNP

    Commenter
    Steveo
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
  • Doesn't matter anymore. Give a blind, balding, three-legged-dog the job if you like. Labor's history either way.

    Commenter
    Weary
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
  • Crean is gone. Rudd should never get into bed with a turncoat again. He must learn the lesson from supporting Gillard in the past

    Commenter
    Mike
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
  • Back stabbing Gillard out !. Our elected Prime Minister, Kevin 07 back in charge. This is good as I can now vote Labour and not have to waste my vote on Tony Abbot, like I had to last election. All other Queenslanders will join me as we have seen the damage caused to our State by Campbell Newman and his Country Party cronies. We are now back to the bad old, corrupt Bjelke days. We can not risk this Federally.

    Commenter
    Peter Jorgensen
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Good on you my son. That's the spirit.

      Commenter
      Jock
      Location
      Overseas
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:10PM
    • As a qlder I regret letting my vote in the state election die with the greens, this time i will give my preference to the ALP, they have gone back on so many principals, that they are as bad as the howard govt, its just that based on our experience they will be better than living under abbott. But Rudd, will only make them worse - he should never have been leader

      Commenter
      kidding?
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:41PM
    • Prime Ministers are NOT elected. Ever.

      Commenter
      Mike
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 4:28PM
  • Folks, just stick with Julia as your leader. What a lot if disloyal MPs and Ministers in the Labor Party. Stand with your leader - support her and keep her on as Leader. Cannot believe how nasty this is getting. Good luck Julia!

    Commenter
    Melinda-Lee
    Location
    New Zealand
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:33PM
  • How's the timing of Simon Creen, what happened at Parliament House today? His ego belongs in the recycling bin.

    Commenter
    We're does your power come from?
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:32PM
  • For the sake of the party and the country, Julia should go peacefully, but she won't.

    Commenter
    stevet
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:31PM
  • Never thought that much of Crean, though my opinion has now changed...

    It takes a lot of guts to publicly stand up to a PM and tell them it's time they moved on for the good of the party... (rest of the party by comparison are completely gutless)

    Good for him...

    In a way it's a pity... was hoping for a big Liberal / Nationals victory in September if the change is to Rudd, Shorten or Smith the election may be much much closer

    Commenter
    A Bodhi Nuisance
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:30PM
    • If you think Crean is doing this for the good of the party and not because of his own personal ambitions you simply haven't been paying attention.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Perhaps the applause for Crean should be held back for a short while to see if his comments to the PM are accepted. But that said I agree he ahs put his money where his mouth is

      Commenter
      Ian
      Location
      Fremantle
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
    • That personal ambition plays a role should have gone without saying...

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
    • If Jools gets the order of the boot, and hopefully she will, Crean will get a nice boost in pay as deputy PM then retire at the election to a cushy job. He'll be too old by the time Labor gets into government again so can just enjoy the last month/s in power while he can.

      Commenter
      Mawashi
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:47PM
  • Should be a humdinger QT, make sure you get a good seat Steph.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:29PM
    • Damn - Here I am at the office with no popcorn or Bollie in sight!!!

      Commenter
      Smack
      Location
      City of the Fallen
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:49PM
    • Apparently Fraser is travelling to Canberra at full steam to stop this from happening. Ross, apparently he will pick you up on the way.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party denial river La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • You're complaining, the one day of the year I make a public vow not to post anything negative about Julia and her government....

      ......and this happens!

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:08PM
    • SteveH

      Impeccable timing with your abstinence. I do suspect though, that there will be a topic or two worthy of discussion tomorrow morning.

      Commenter
      $keptic
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:51PM
  • Words I never thought i would say...

    Simon Crean... Well done.

    :)

    Commenter
    Mark S
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:29PM
  • Significant that it is Crean bringing this fight on and backing Rudd. A year ago he was leading the pack of Labor MPs attacking Rudd's former leadership. Funny game, politics.

    Commenter
    rudy
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:29PM
    • Exactly !! This is all about self-interest and not party interest. Walk the plank Crean.

      Commenter
      Helen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:37PM
    • Funny? No. Predictable? Yes.
      Let's join the dots here. Labor will lose in September regardless. Who ever is leading the party will then be replaced, and who is likely to get the gig? The Deputy Leader. Now why do you think a mediocre creep like Crean wants to be deputy leader?
      But you keep telling yourself he's acting for the good of the party, nudge nudge wink wink.

      Commenter
      Weary
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:45PM
  • Maybne someone will stand up for the leadership who is for marriage equality?

    Commenter
    KellyE
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:28PM
    • We have marriage equality all marriages between man and woman are equal. How about we focus on real issues rather than first world problems.

      Commenter
      El Seano
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
    • How about just equality? Enough pandering to special interest groups and just protect the right to chose of the individual. Easier to legislate that way.....

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:39PM
    • We are talking about NATIONAL INTERESTS and you would want to divert such important issues to the interest of some small, niche, aggressive group of interest with less than 1% of the population. Yes, the last census tells us that there are less than 1% same sex couples living in 'marriage like' relationship. The question is also how many of them would actually want to marry. How on earth you want to make the interests of such small proportion of the population a 'mainstream issue' boggles the mind.

      Commenter
      Trek
      Location
      Springvale
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Sorry,whatever your views on the subject marriage equality is not an issue to decide if you should vote for someone.There is a lot more at stake.

      Commenter
      Enough
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
    • Firstly, it's not the only issue i vote on, but the fact that 30% of young same-sex attracted people are self-harming is pretty damn important to me. Marriage equality goes a step towards making those young people feel a bit better about themselves and their place in society.

      Secondly, you don't need to be LGBT to care about LBGT rights. That percentage of the population have parents, siblings, extended family and children who are also affected by this.

      Commenter
      KellyE
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:12PM
  • I saw The Monthly's front cover with 'Truthful' Julia, 'Office poster' Tanya and 'Where did the surplus go Wayne' Wong titled the Sisterhood. No doubt Penny and Tanya and all the other Julia faithful will resign rather than serve under Kevin 'It doesn't matter anymore' Rudd.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party Denial La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:27PM
  • Labor are gone. Rudd better ride the bounce in his popularity and call a snap election or else Labor will be decimated in September

    Commenter
    Sally
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:27PM
    • eggszackerry!! Rudd has gotta get the timing just perfect and time the actual election day for when he is at the expected peak of his bounce and it will be way before September!

      Commenter
      eyeswideopen
      Location
      earth
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
  • Many of the current front bench will not work under Rudd. Peter Garrett has openly said he would stand down if Rudd was re-elected.

    Commenter
    James
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Garrett standing down would be a plus. Many of those who wouldn't work with him should be on the back bench.

      Commenter
      stevet
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:33PM
    • That is a very good thing. All of the "We won't work with Rudd" have been the most useless lot I can remember.

      Commenter
      Mark S
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
    • James, That would be a real loss Garrett resigning. I just hope that Swan has the same fortitude to resign if Kev07 comes back. Oh well I suppose it is all the fault of everyone else J Fraser, Bazza, A Country Gal and all of your friends. That has been the problem with the Labor Party - it everyone else's fault bar their own.

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:40PM
  • i'm very dissappointed in all of this, giving it (our nation) to Abbott on a plater, with bows and bells on.
    But this will at least test the bias of the media out.
    It's JG I admire, hope she contests and wins.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:25PM
    • Once again everyone else's fault. Maybe you might believe some of the stories that have been published. As Kev said the other day "Beware the Ides of March"!!

      Commenter
      dj
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:44PM
    • It was his for the taking long before this announcement -

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      The Burbs
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:50PM
    • dj, cast the blinkers aside for a moment.
      There has been a determined effort to destabilise the party, both from within and leaks to the media. if you can't see that then you are blind. We've had positive and proactive legislation that never makes the headlines. A couple of years ago a pension increase would be headlines, not now.
      The personal attacks have gotten to ridiculous. it's so obvious.
      Deliberate leaks to feed the MSM for their own self serving purposes.
      I am not blaming per se, the observation made is it will be interesting to see how this is all reported.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:02PM
  • Very poor form by Crean to make this announcement while the Apology is being delivered in the Chamber. Increadibly disrespectful :(

    Commenter
    Insidethecrazyhouse
    Location
    aph
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:24PM
  • Ok so a number of Bills have been scrapped - Thank God.... now there is only one thing left to get rid off. This stinking Government and the perpetual liar...

    Commenter
    Lorfyre
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:24PM
    • Unfortunately, leadership issues have cost us 3 decent pieces of legislation. The mining tax - watered down because of a media driven leadership spill; the pokies reforms - abandoned because of media driven leadership speculation; and now the media laws - abandoned because of a media driven campaign to get rid of Gillard.
      When did we vote for Murdoch to be in charge?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:42PM
    • Steve- Gillards dishonesty is the cause of polkie reforms. She signetten agreement even though she knew she would never deliver. That is just her way of doing business. Is it any wonder we are where we are?

      Commenter
      Denny
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:08PM
  • The munchkins of Oz are clearing their throats...

    Commenter
    SmallTalk
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:23PM
  • Rudd/Crean ticket. Could I loathe them more? I'll be torn between putting ALP or LNP last on my ballot paper.

    Commenter
    Prong
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Same.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:06PM
  • Damn, Robbed of the satisfaction of booting her and Swan out ourselves.

    Commenter
    Grassy Knollington
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:22PM
  • I weep for our country.. it is being held ransom to the Miners and Media barons (and baronesses) and sadly I think they will soon have their puppet Tony in power.

    Commenter
    SB
    Location
    Mentone
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Slight correction there; ' It has bee held to ransom by the 'faceless' unelected union bosses whose interest are only their own political ambitions - not workers or the rest of the country. No wonder the current Labor government is so remote to the interest of the common people. They are only fighting for their own political interests.

      Commenter
      Trek
      Location
      Springvale
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:52PM
  • Maybe Crean is calling the leadership spill as a smokescreen to mask the embarrassment of the media bill defeat.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:21PM
  • no no no Rudd and Crean that is so backwards. Sooooo depressing

    Commenter
    LB
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Sooo Misoginistic. What goes around ......

      Commenter
      Give Diggers back their rights
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:33PM
  • This is ridiculous, Labor. It's too late to choose again for yourselves. Let us get to the election without anymore infighting. The people can make the decision in September then you should live with it, like you should do now.

    Kevin Rudd should've left politics when he was knocked off the top spot. He's a source of ongoing instability for no reason other than his ego.

    Commenter
    Guest
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:19PM
  • Oh my goodness - what has Australia done to deserve this rabble of a Government. I suggest the Prime Minister go one better - she immediately call an election for four weeks’ time.

    Commenter
    Johno
    Location
    Mulgrave
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Libs had their spill in Vic a week or two ago and wasn't it a Lib spill in NT as well, with the leader at the time overseas.

      Crean giving his press conference whilst Gillard is in the Sorry function, is knifing at its worst.

      All we need now is Rudd to refuse and I hope he does

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:37PM
  • Kevin Rudd should refuse the chair outright. Why should he step up, win an election for them, only to have them shaft him - again?

    "Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice..."

    Commenter
    Eyes Only
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:19PM
    • Very well said. It's a no-win situation for Rudd and Crean knows it

      Commenter
      Barry
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:30PM
  • Who is running the country while all this crap is going on?

    Commenter
    Dan
    Location
    Sorrento
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:16PM
    • This is as bad as the last year of the NSW Labor Government

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:31PM
    • Was the federal labor govt. involved in mining licenses?

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:37PM
    • The Public Service as per usual

      Commenter
      Mark S
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Still the same people - Murdoch, the big miners, big food retailers and the gambling lobby. It ain't going to change.

      Commenter
      Teddy
      Location
      Stillswimming
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:41PM
    • The last year? Try the last 5 years of Labor. Then again, when they were under Carr, he didn't actually do anything either. Just manipulated the media who bought into his rubbish and failed to see he didn't do anything on infrastructure the whole time. A bit like federal labor - let's save he coutnry from the GFC by giving everyone free roof insulation... let's spend a whol ehaps of money from a mining tax and carbon tax in incentives to get the tax passed but then oops, the taxes raised no money...

      Commenter
      Josh M
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:41PM
    • Teddy is on the money.
      media in particular ATM.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:43PM
  • I too am adopted and my birth mother who was 17, could not keep me and also did not want me! There was no financial support for young mums in New Zealand until 1973 when the then Labour Government introduced the DPB (Domestic Purposes Benefit) As for being forced to give up a child - there was no other choice. Unless your parents could support you that was the end of it. Many of the birth mothers did not want to keep the child anyway and being adopted out was the best outcome for the child. My mother had anotrher child 3 years later also given up for adoption. Doing this was the best thing she ever did!

    Commenter
    Melinda-Lee
    Location
    New Zealand
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:16PM
  • The general public cannot even let Abbott praise and acknowledge the heartfelt and eloquent apology given by Gillard without being heckled - what is wrong with some people - you would think a sombre and important occasion such as this would be a time to put party politics aside - just too much to ask for some people i guess -

    Commenter
    Dave
    Location
    The Burbs
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Dave since Abbott is the greatest political heckler this country has ever seen, perhaps the public is just giving him some of his own medicine.

      Commenter
      Mimaranda
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Agree but what a time to do so - says more about them than it will ever say about him

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      The Burbs
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:51PM
  • This country is not ready for a female PM - simple as that. Gillard is no better and no worse than any other PM, yet is so reviled. Reminds me of the female CEO of Pacific Brands, when she sent jobs offshore a few years ago. She did no more than any other CEO, responsible to shareholders, would have done, yet she was hung, drawn and quartered. Mostly by the media. Gillard's an easy target. Shameful.

    Commenter
    Lala
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:13PM
    • Unfortunately I agree with you.

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Please stop playing the gender card - it is insulting to many of us (women) who have worked towards and made sacrifices to achieve their goals.

      Commenter
      WorkingMother
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Gillard is a target alright. Unfortunately for her but fortunately for us, it is caucus who is throwing the darts.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:39PM
    • @WorkingMother, not sure what your point is. I am also a working mother. You think we have gender equality?

      Commenter
      Lala
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:18PM
  • Surprised at how tough PM Gillard is. She has been copping it from the spinless ALP factions, the media (all sides), most of Sydney siders who think the world revolves around them, not to mention Pyne. PM Gillard has been trying to do her job but is stalled at every effort, every gesture and by those who just have it in for her blaming her for thr Rudd thing, or being a woman etc etc

    Commenter
    Gordie
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:12PM
  • j.fraser. Ask not for whom the bell tolls......

    Commenter
    Louis Cypher
    Location
    hades. missouri. land of the free
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:11PM
  • In my opinion I think it amounts to "As Prime Minister, I am very sorry that some Government Workers (who I will never meet) took you out of a home that was officially proven to be abusive or dysfunctional."

    We now say sorry to everyone in this country. When will she say sorry to me for the fact that I pay more tax than most?

    Commenter
    John Tarrantula
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:10PM
    • If you pay more tax than most you must be earning more than most, so stop whingeing and be grateful for your lot in life.

      Commenter
      Jen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
  • @Enough is Enough, you are most certainly the person in La La Land here & such a typically boring LNP troll who talks total drivel & ignores facts. Now please desist with your low intellectual pubescent rubbish & try & attempt to understand some basic economics:
    How is Debt Measured? Typically our debt is measured as a percentage against our Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Basically our GDP is the value of Australia.
    Our current GDP is just over $1.379 trillion dollars
    A trillion is 1000 billions. That's a 1 with 12 noughts after it.
    Our current Commonwealth Government Debt is @270 billion dollars
    As a percentage of GDP that is slightly under 20%
    In simple terms, that equates to having a $100,000 mortgage on a $500,000 home
    The Australian Government earns $1,000,000,000 (1 billion dollars) PER DAY in tax receipts. That
    equals 365 billion dollars per year
    This equates to having a $100,000 mortgage on a $500,000 home with an income of @ $130,000 per year. No wonder we are one of the few countries that has a AAA credit rating.
    Now go & ask Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey about this debt problem we have. Every other country in the world wishes they were in our position.
    @Enough is Enough, now please go & read more low grade biased political journalism in “The Australian” or learn something by watching more intelligent & independent responsible political & economic journalism on the ABC or SBS & then try & understand the real FACTS before writing more of your inane childish garbage!

    Commenter
    No policy LNP
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:10PM
    • now what happens if our dollar drops and china flat lines or decides we are too expensive with red tape and carbon tax and debt rolls up to $500 billion because of the revaluation of our dollar with $1.1 billion repayments every month. Worst case scenario something this government never ever considers the "what if".

      Commenter
      fm boot
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:32PM
    • Nice try, but your analogy of a loan on a fixed asset house fails as the $300bn debt has no tangible asset realised. Oh that's right, the house of cards built by the Anothr Lie Party. Don't you realise, one puff of wind and it falls down. Keep your abuse within your Labor/Union movement.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:38PM
    • 1. debt that is not actively tackled tends to accelerate in it's rate of growth.

      2. comparing our debt levels to countries who are in dire straits is not productive and does nothing to justify our current debt levels as desireable. Yes those who are relatively worse off will always envy those who are relatively better off that doesn't mean that those who are relatively better off are acutally in a desireable position.

      3. Debt needs to be shown to be incurred for a reason. Raising debt to provide for additional recurring services is bad public policy as those services (or similar) will need to be cut far more harshly to eventually repay the debt.

      4. In the case of personal debt we understand that debt is a necessary evil required for major asset purchases. We don't hold the view however that it should be owed indefinately. Just because governments pay comparatively less interest they shouldn't owe debt indefinately either as it is not desireable for government money (our taxes) to be spent on interest payments.

      5. The line we'll pay it back when economic conditions improve is a lie. ALP governments always spend more than they receive (or at least that has always been the case in my lifetime). The ALP cares about social fairness and understandably wants to spend in line with ALP principles, the point is simply made that caring about who pays for their overspending is not something they focus on.

      Commenter
      A Bodhi Nuisance
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Thank you, thank you, thank you.
      Explaining the economics in a simple way Kindy students would understand. Hopefully the penny will drop soon with LNP trolls that this governments economic policy is strong and is endorsed by IMF, all credit agencies, foreign governments and anybody with an ounce of sense. It only is opposed by Murdoch, Gina and other press barons who fear the NBN will kill their political influence.

      Commenter
      JBG
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:46PM
    • But the problem is that the real joe blow doesn't owe 100K and doesn't earn 100K+.
      In reality he owes pretty well 250K when you add the car loan, the credit card debt etc etc. The massive private debt binge pre 2007 has not magically disappeared. It is stable at 120%GDP

      Read any respectable economics document, and the structural weakness in the economy is private debt. The whole point is to keep the economy going with some growth rate, so people can pay down debt. That is why the level of private savings gets such a prominent mention in the reserve bank doccos

      Commenter
      colin
      Location
      melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:51PM
  • Creans made the right call.

    Remember J. Fraser, this ain't happening.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:09PM
    • +1. JFraser aka egg-on-his-face.

      Commenter
      WorkingMother
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:14PM
    • listening to Crean speak... i would think he should be making a tilt for the job himself..even as a lib he sounds like a very reasonable and straight up man...bye bye Julia!!

      Commenter
      hodster
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:18PM
    • Steve H - It still may not be, ever thought Crean wants to flush out Rudd. This is Crean's way of telling Rudd to put up or shut up, if Rudd doesn't have the numbers (as appears to be the case) he has to shut up.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Fraser has gone to ground - is he in an air raid shelter up in Brisbane? he''ll soon be joined by Negative equity Swann, Slipper and a host of others. The white smoke is about to come out of the Another Lie Party's - reminds me of that movie 'Up in Smoke' with those two actors driving aimlessly around the counrty getting into trouble. The only difference is that we ar paying for these B grade actors.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party Denial La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:22PM
    • Where is JF? Isn't it funny that Crean's putting himself in the deputy role. Why would he do that? Crean's had aspirations at the top job since his tilt in 2001. Back Kevin, let him try and win the election, then lead a Crean backstab to get himself the top job, and we'd end up with the un-electable Crean, instead of the un-electable Gillard. Either way we get what we don't want. Heh!

      Commenter
      shiyoganai
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:29PM
    • Macca75, I say its the right call because Labor can't get any message out until there is at least a two month break in this incessant leadership speculation.

      At the very least Gillard needs to be reaffirmed. I'm not saying that its a be all solution.

      Something had to happen.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:45PM
  • Ok, show now they have stopped talking about stop talking, but where to now...this is ugly, no way they can heal the rift.

    Commenter
    paul of chester
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:07PM
  • So ,it has been Simon Crean behind the media leaks cause he is on a run for power.

    Boo hoo to the media who thought it was Rudd trying for anothe comeback

    Commenter
    ccb
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:05PM
    • you still blame the media?

      Commenter
      Jimbo Jones
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Ccb that is pathetic, really. You were wrong, get over it kid.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 2:49PM
    • Yes I still blame the media.

      If there was a leadership spill each time the media play the Rudd card, the spills would be at least once a month.

      I watched Live for most of the vote today and on the few occasions the camera was on Rudd, he looked quite embarrassed.

      Having said that, I think Aussie politics is too sexist for Julia to remain as PM.

      A male should take the PM role but not Rudd.

      Commenter
      ccb
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 3:18PM
  • Honestly, you'd say that Conroy has a huge amount of egg on his face but when you look at Swan and his budget problems it's hard to work out who's got the most. A race to the bottom.

    Presumably there will be a large party in Holt Street and Darling Island Road tonight, but not on Harris Street Ultimo.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:03PM
    • They will all be too busy writting the Obituary for Truthful Julia. What will the byline be? Failure is not an option, and I will not fail' - rings a bell doesn't it?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party Denial La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:29PM
  • I only they would stop talking about stop talking about it...

    Commenter
    paul of chester
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 1:01PM
  • So if her media bill is dead, does that mean Julia is too?

    (Figuratively speaking, of course.)

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 12:58PM
    • Good call

      Commenter
      Give Diggers back their rights
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:12PM
  • There should be no political point scoring here. However Abbotts speech was unfortunate to say the least. Very upsetting for some. At least he was able to apologise for his apology.

    Commenter
    Romeovoid
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 12:55PM
  • Don't want to take away anything from the apology going on, just wanted to talk about one thing i don't get. Why the Rudd supporters are so willing to try and cause further instability when they are already in a bad situation. Removing Gillard as PM and bringing in Rudd won't change a thing other than to make the Labor party look even more unstable. Instability won't cause a poll increase so these people agitating for Rudd are in a way taking the Kool-Aid option and possibly seeing them lose an election and their own seats to help an egomaniac get back to where he believes he deserves to be. Just doesn't make sense.

    Commenter
    Andrew
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 12:48PM
  • So the anti-discrimination policy and bill fails. Now the Media policy and bill fails. The budget surplus fails. The Truth fails continuously. This Govt is a massive failure.

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party policy La La Land
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 12:45PM
  • A personal take on past adoption policies. Yes, like many others, I am an adopted person.

    I have no idea if my adoption was forced. I guess it is very likely that at least it was "coerced". I don't know my biological mother and as far as I know, she has never tried to contact me. if she had, I would been informed.

    My (adoptive) mother told me that I had the right to know who she was when I was 21. At the time, I didn't want to know, in order not to cause my Mother anguish. She did tell me that my biological Father was unknown. Reading between the lines then, it appears that my Biological mother was single and unlikely to have been able to support me at that time.

    At the same time, my adoptive parents were unable to have kids, so my adoption was in some ways a win/win for the social situation that existed in 1961.

    I think if my Bioical mother was forced to give me up, that would have been terrible indeed, aweful. But if she accepted that she couldn't raise me and that she was helping someone else (maybe even a bit like modern surrogacy) then I would feel happy about that.

    But I will probably never know.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 12:03PM
    • Very thoughtfully put AV.

      Commenter
      Puzzled
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Good on you AV, for your personal account. Quite likely she could still be alive and you may well have siblings.
      Every one is different in whether they need to seek some closure.
      The people who I've known who have done it tough are the ones that accidently find out as an adult. And others such as you who accept the situation and see the positives.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:08PM
  • Just in case it has not already been mentioned by others in here, the media is to blame for all of Labor's problems.

    Commenter
    AllMSMedia'sFault
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 11:50AM
    • AMF - wholeheartedly agree !

      Jules, Wayne and Steve have not been responsible for digging any of the pit in which they find themselves.

      Now the media bills have been pulled we can go back to business as usual.

      Commenter
      Hacka
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:56PM
  • Sounds like T-Abbott just stuffed up royally at the Apology ceremony - did anyone catch what he said?

    Commenter
    Insidethecrazyhouse
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 11:49AM
    • Not at all. Just the usual bunch who think that abusing Tony Abbott simply because he is Tony Abbott somehow achieves something.

      Commenter
      Alex
      Location
      Hobart
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:50PM
    • Geez give the bloke a break would you - whats wrong with acknowledging the adopted parents - it was hardly their fault - they were not the ones enacting the policy - and im sure for the most part they were equally loving and supportive as biological parents would be

      This constant Abbott bashing is pathetic and bereft of any rational thought - give it up!!!

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      The Burbs
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:10PM
  • Good old Truthful Julia's words should be tajken as they are, worthless. This is the PM who advised, when the budget was heading deep south, that 'failure is not an option, and we won't fail'. BZZZ, wrong answer says the game show host. Wayne 'Negative equity Swann said about the surplus (100+ times) is 'rock solid' BZZ, wrong again ALP. Can the host sit Truthful Julia and Swanny back in the crowd, never to be seen or heard from again? pleeeasseeee. The Another Lie Party has 'failed again'

    Commenter
    enough is enough
    Location
    Labor party Wheel of Fortune
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 11:43AM
  • Very good forced adoption apology speech from the PM. Must give a lot of comfort to people so affected.

    Commenter
    Tim of Altona
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Let just hope the mainstream media don't somehow twist it into a leadership issue!

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:52AM
    • Hope so Tim, finally being recognised for what they endured at the hands of the govt, churches, charities, abusive homes etc.
      I imagine one very emotional day for many.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:05PM
  • Am I the only person visualising another PM, maybe 50 years from now, apologising for *not* removing kids from dysfunctional families?

    Commenter
    AdamC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 11:05AM
    • No, like most things the government concerns itself with, it is not their job.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:09AM
    • No, you are not alone with that thought, @Adam C.

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:37AM
  • Great Day indeed! finally. Now, my latest calculations reveal that the Federal Gov't require the pay compensation for the affected people to the tune of $AUD 56 billion. When are you going to pay Australia? When? The whole world is watching. Pay NOW!

    Commenter
    Monsieur
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:59AM
    • 'Negative equity' Swann will no doubt fess up to the $300bn deficit that will take 20 years to pay off if the next few Treasurers produce a $17bn suplus each and every year. The worlds greatest Treasurer strikes again.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Of course, this is all about money. Sad.

      Commenter
      Brenda Loots
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:50AM
    • enough guess what if our currency drops back to the level of 2000 our debt as its converted from the $US would be in the region of $500 billion and that would mean interest charges of $40 million a day that someone not Swann and co have to pay

      Commenter
      fm boot
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:47PM
  • isn't it amazing the difference between the crean story in the daily tele and the smh. enough said about the biased telegraph. and they think we don't need media reforms. yes because then they would have to print the true stories, not all the biased crap they print now

    Commenter
    judy
    Location
    central coast
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:56AM
    • @ judy

      It's called "News Limited" for a reason.

      Commenter
      BWS
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:19AM
    • It all their fault!

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:32AM
    • Well said. The Daily Telegraph is openly campaigning against the Labor Party. Clearly the owners are motivated by self-interest

      Commenter
      Helen
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:35AM
    • What makes you think the Tele has it wrong and the SMH has it right?

      Serious question.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:36AM
    • Let the people make the decision. If you don't like it then don't bloody read it!! When readers stop buying their newspapers the problems will sort themselves out. The government need not get involved

      Commenter
      Cakeboss
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:38AM
    • Cakeboss you're crazy. I abdicate all my responsibility for decision making to a bureaucrat. That is why I pay taxed comrade.
      Censor away Comrade Conroy, Censor away! For the good of the party, nation and the workers!
      /sarcasm off

      Commenter
      Bye Bye Fiat Money
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:24PM
    • Oh no. Looks like 'Limited News' had the scoop again!

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:28PM
    • Time for a little humble pie? Maybe the journalists actually are better informed than you give them credit for...

      Commenter
      Art
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:35PM
    • Looks like the Murdoch-bashers are wrong again...just like last time. What's the definition of insanity again?

      Commenter
      Hamish
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:42PM
  • Rudd would be crazy to take on the Labor leadership now. He is better to wait until after the election when they are in opposition.

    Commenter
    Sue
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:52AM
    • That sounds the same as Barny Joyce saying he doesn't want to be Deputy P.M.

      Apparently he is having a bit of trouble convincing the old Nats that he should stand in the Tony Windsor M.P. seat.

      Commenter
      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:57AM
    • If they lose the next election, Labor won't go with Rudd as opposition leader. It would be Shorten or Combet, or someone else from left field. This is Rudd's big last shot to deal himself back into the game.

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:03AM
    • He won't have the patience for opposition. Besides which the first two years will be Liberals enumerating the cost of his thought bubbles and killing his pet programs.

      Also a fair chunk of his 'support' is people who for whatever reason will want to confine both him and Gillard to the dustbin of history should Labor lose Government.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:13AM
    • I am sure that K Rudd truly doesn't want the leadership.

      I am equally sure that he wants the ALP and the Unions to die in hell for what they did to him.

      When he is re-elected, and so many ALP members are not, he will resign and take up the ambassadorship to China.

      His revenge will then be complete.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:44AM
    • Joyce shouldn't have too many problems with New England, as he was BORN there. Is that close enough Fraser?

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:45AM
    • Alternative View, I could not agree more with your comment.

      Commenter
      NSG
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:27PM
  • If China is the driving power behind our Australian economy why isn't there a Chinese Party in Canberra for the upcoming election? There would be a lot of people voting for them, forget the mediocrity of Labor/Liberal et al. Send all the Canberra politicians to the mining fields to dig for China.

    Commenter
    More Representing/Voting Parties Needed
    Location
    NSW
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:52AM
  • It's good to see the photo of Swan and Abbott discussing their next fishing trip to Tasmania. They are old mates.

    Commenter
    Mike
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:49AM
  • Very sad to read William's story. One of my relatives was adopted, his partner tracked down the birth mother living in Canada. We all went over there together and had a wonderful time with the 'new' family. The skiing was great, but to be honest Canadian cusine is ghastly.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:46AM
  • JG just has to go. She has never been a legitimate PM and it is all about ego now, not what is right for the country or the party.

    Just resign JG. Just go.

    Commenter
    Mark S
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:45AM
    • What makes Gillard less legitimate than any other PM, other than your bias.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:05AM
    • Her incompetence Macca.

      Commenter
      PP
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 7:16PM
  • It is fascinating watching the ALP's misgivings about itself, fed and abetted by the accompanying din from the media "insiders".

    And of course the option that the vast majority of the population want isn't even on the table: an early election. That option is denied only because of blatent self interest on the part of the independants.

    But do the ALP really believe that somehow the Australian public are going to forget the last 5 years of chaos by September?

    The NSW and QLD voters didn't. And holding out to the last minute for the elections certainly didn't help the ALP alleviate the hammer blow.

    Seen in that context, changing leaders is merely deckchair shuffling.

    Commenter
    Alternate View
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Were Rudd to win, he'd probably go to an early election. His numbers will tank as soon as he tries to 'do policy'.

      Commenter
      Simon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:09AM
    • Alternative View What utter nonsense! Five years of utter chaos? Leading to what? Just the most envied country in the world! Where else would you like to live? A high standard of living by any measure, triple a credit rating, a sound economy which all of Europe would kill to have. A debt to GDP rating that the USA would cut off their collective arms for, but still you spout the rubbish like your latest post. The truth is that your hatred for the Labor government has blinded any sense of reason you may have once had

      Commenter
      Creeker
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:59PM
  • 10.19 The problem with that strategy is that the story then becomes "Crean won't say he'll back Gillard".

    Don't you mean the problem with that strategy is that the media make the story whatever they need to, to suit The Narrative?

    Commenter
    rockoyster
    Location
    tasmania
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:38AM
    • Well said. It appears to me that the SMH has an agenda to to damage Labor as well.

      Commenter
      Sally
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:57AM
    • Yes, the mainstream media is trying their best to bring down this highly successful government, their bias is getting sad really. Give up guys Julia is gonna win and there's no doubt about it!

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:14AM
    • No, when someone is asked a direct question, it is normal to expect a direct answer. An evasion naturally raises the follow up thought: Why didn't he answer that? And the answer is obvious in this case.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Every time the media comment about Labor leadership speculation, the ALP claim it's a beat-up yet the media's been spot on the last couple of times. You do realise Rudd's team have most likely been leaking like a sieve, don't you?

      Commenter
      Hamish
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:56PM
    • What are you talking about, Hamish? Everyone knows this Labor leadership stuff was invented by Rupert Murdoch, in collaboration with Abdrew Bolt and Piers Ackerman. It is common knowledge.

      Look, they even have Alan Jones out there pretending to be Simon Crean giving a press conference. How low will the hate media go?

      Commenter
      AdamC
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:27PM
  • The Pulse 9:13am

    Buon giorno Paul buon giorno.

    Commenter
    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:28AM
  • Lost my cup of tea bet that a leadership spill would happen last night, but the same bet is back on today. Lots of shoe-gazing by Labour MP's, and definitely more activity on mobile phones. Last chance before Budget sittings, so I reckon my odds are 80:20. I'll pour the tea :)

    Commenter
    Insidethecrazyhouse
    Location
    APH
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 10:15AM
    • Many people have lost many cups of tea over the past 3 years betting against Gillard, I doubt your bet today will be any different.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:38AM
    • One bet that I would take is that the ALP will lose the next federal election with Julia Gilard (still) leading the ALP. And the timing of the election does not matter.

      Commenter
      Alternate View
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:50AM
    • Looks like you are making tea again then.

      Commenter
      AustraliaFirst
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 6:11PM
  • We seem to have all the Labor "values" on display this Harmony Day - contempt, poor judgement, division, deceit, mismanagement, self preservation and infighting.

    Commenter
    Hacka
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 9:59AM
  • To celebrate Harmony Day I've decided to post only positive things about Julia Gillard and the government for the rest of the day.

    Isn't it great to see Wayne and Tony spending some quality time together.

    Commenter
    SteveH.
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 9:55AM
    • Hooraahh Henry! Harmony Day everyone - we're all going to be nice to each other and our pollies; no blog rage, no jibes, no knives. I'm feeling tingly all over already. It's only 1 day so I'm sure everyone can do it.

      Commenter
      JS
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:06AM
    • Haha just a bit of ammo then, it's a bit hard to post positive things when Julia Gillard is using the increase to childcare wages as an excuse for the unions to descend on their workplaces threatening high costs to access the funding if a membership quota or "interest" isn't met.

      Commenter
      El Seano
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:12AM
    • (In a gentle harmonious tone) How are you going with that list Steve??? :)

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:50AM
    • There is nothing negative to say anyway, Gillard has led a flawless government and any criticisms you have heard were purely an invention of the mainstream media.

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 10:58AM
    • Sam, I don't bother with lists, they're for people with poor memories. Frankly I would always argue that the Labor Party has been the main driving force in introducing social reforms in Australian political history. Something its members should be very proud of.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:03AM
    • Steve H, heartening to hear Abbott speaking with some humility too, given his own personal experience and guilt.
      Pathetic to hear the hecklers when he was speaking. A day like this is a lot bigger than
      political expediency

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 12:16PM
    • ACG, I suspect he is big enough to wear it, in those situations emotions are often running high and people have grievences and hurts that have festered for years. It doesn't take much for something to bring it out.

      Commenter
      SteveH.
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 1:15PM
  • Harmony Day,
    I can't imagine what it must've been like for the young parents, often the mother to have had to forgo your child.
    The stolen generations of both black and white.
    I remember young women suddenly going off "to work" in the city, all they brought back was anguish and pain, no bundles of joy. Just shame cast upon them by the "do gooders". The lucky ones, at best a forced "shotgun wedding".
    My thoughts are with you.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    March 21, 2013, 9:52AM
    • I blame the mainstream media for it

      Commenter
      AllMSMedia'sFault
      Location
      Date and time
      March 21, 2013, 11:04AM
    • Interesting that the reforms by the Whitlam government, enabled and legitimised the opportunity for women to keep their children, where today's Labor government, practically on the 40th anniversary on those reforms, are now creating a backlash, via the gradual dimishment of the pension that assists women and children in need. My, how the country and the Labor Party have changed in those intervening 40 years!

      Commenter
      davidbru
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time