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Politics Wrap: December 5, 2013

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Bogans can teach us a lot

There is "a little bit of bogan in all of us", Palmer United Party MP Alex Douglas says, after sending an email saying voters are "bogans living empty lives".

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Happy weekend from Billion Dollar Bill and Doctor Tony.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Prime Minister Tony Abbott during question time in Parliament House on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and Prime Minister Tony Abbott during question time in Parliament House on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares Photo: Andrew Meares

As they say in the calendar world, it's been a week.

With MPs and senators escaping to their electorates, what have we learned?

  • The Coalition government can have bilateral success. We may need "sorry" meetings with Indonesia, but hey, we've got a free trade deal with South Korea!
  • There's no shame in being a bogan. It keeps the sheep industry going (ping Andrew Broad);
  • It's not a good time to be a flying kangaroo. But if you're near Bill Shorten, do not blame this on the carbon tax;
  • There are some advantages to the overuse of the "backflip" cliche in politics at the moment. It doesn't involve comparisons to the Kama Sutra; and
  • Labor and the Coalition have no principles. At least that's what they're saying about each other (ping the debt ceiling).

 

Stay tuned to Fairfax Media websites for updates on the Christmas Island "incident". There are now reports that a group of asylum seekers has been living secretly on the island for several days. 

Stay tuned also for the wash-up of Bishop's meeting with Natalegawa.

Alex Ellinghausen, Andrew Meares and I will be back on Monday, when Parliament returns for the final sitting week of the year (according to current non-Grinch planning).

Until then!

 

And while details of the "incident" remain scarce, the Immigration Department's spokesman, Sandi Logan, has just announced (via email) that he is leaving the department next week.

Logan, who has been with the department since 2005, was a high-profile defender of the immigration portfolio and frequent Twitter user. 

But he adopted a decidedly lower profile when the Abbott government was sworn in.

 

 

 

 

And just in:

We are also hearing from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison's office that there are "reports" of an "incident of an unconfirmed nature on the south-eastern coast of Christmas Island".

"Details of the incident are not clear at this point and persons who were involved in this incident are being questioned by on island agencies," a statement says.

"On island agencies and Border Protection Command assets are also responding and are on scene.

Updates will be provided when further information is able to be confirmed."

Earlier today (see: 12.46pm post), there were reports of boat arriving at the island, after it was intercepted on Wednesday night.

Before we go this eve, as you're probably in a contemplative mood at the end of a sitting week, here's something to contemplate.

Rocco Fazzari and Denis Carnahan have created a year in review animation: "Droughts, flooding rains and fires."

It has a tanning bed, dino and something that looks terrifyingly like Miley Cyrus's wrecking ball.

 

 

 

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'Droughts, flooding rains and fires'

Ten turbulent months in Canberra have left the rest of Australia with white-knuckle exhaustion. Rocco Fazzari gets rocking on 2013, a year to remember, with Denis Carnahan.

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A word or two on the Korean free trade agreement.

It's already drawing some mixed reactions.

The Business Council has given it the thumbs up.

It's a "shot in the arm for regional Australia, agri business, the resources and services sectors and other parts of the economy," says BCA chief Jennifer Westacott.

But it is a thumbs down from the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union.

The AMWU has "condemned" the federal government's decision as "not in our national interest".

National president Andrew Dettmer says there was a range of concerns - including threats to the auto-industry and the ability for investors to sue governments for market access.

Workplace Editor Clay Lucas has more on concerns from the auto industry and unions here.

 

"The government isn't a banker."

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Deputy PM and Infrastructure Minister Warren Truss has spoken on Qantas job losses. 

"Qantas' results announced today are obviously a disappointment," he has told reporters in the Mural Hall at Parliament.

"We think that it is important for Australia to have a strong airline like Qantas."

Truss says it is appropriate for Qantas to look at ways to reduce its costs.

But it doesn't look like there will be much direct help for Qantas. The Deputy PM talks in terms of the government building a strong economy (i.e. cutting the carbon tax) to help companies compete.

"The government isn't a banker," he says.

Other MPs have blunter ideas about what should happen.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon says chief executive Alan Joyce should resign.

The bells are ringing to ring in the fact that the House has adjoured until 10 am next Monday.

(The Senate continues to talk.)

Speaking of meetings (and awkwardness), Julie Bishop has arrived in Jakarta with a high-level delegation of bureaucrats to meet Marty Natalegawa.

As Indonesia correspondent Michael Bachelard reports, Bishop arrived at Indonesia's Foreign Affairs Ministry at about 11.15am local time (3.15pm AEDT) for what is expected to be a long bilateral meeting, including a working lunch, with her counterpart Natalegawa.

Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is greeted by Indonesian counterpart Marty Natalegawa before their meeting in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is greeted by Indonesian counterpart Marty Natalegawa before their meeting in Jakarta, Indonesia. Photo: Tatan Syuflana

Andrew Penfold from the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation was also at the meeting.

You may remember Penfold from an altercation featuring a staff member of Tony Abbott's before the election.

(Mark Roberts threatened to cut Penfold's funding at a party. Abbott called the behaviour "totally unacceptable".)

Good to see that bygones are just that.

 

Prime Minister Tony Abbott meets with the Indigenous Advisory Council at Parliament House, including Andrew Penfold on the far left.
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Prime Minister Tony Abbott meets with the Indigenous Advisory Council at Parliament House, including Andrew Penfold on the far left. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The PM's Indigenous Advisory Council has met for the first time in Canberra.

Tony Abbott convened the meeting after question time.

Former ALP-man-turned-Abbott-bestie Warren Mundine was there, front and centre.

The list of attendees included, Richard Ah Mat from the Cape York Institute, Josephine Cashman, managing director of Riverview Global Partners, indigenous medical doctor Ngiare Brown and artist Djambawa Marawili.

Former top public servant and now UWS chancellor Peter Shergold was also in attendance, along with his successor as Prime Minister and Cabinet secretary, Ian Watt.

 

Warren Mundine and Prime Minister Tony Abbott during a meeting of the Indigienous Advisory Council at Parliament House on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Warren Mundine and Prime Minister Tony Abbott during a meeting of the Indigienous Advisory Council at Parliament House on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

No need for Bronwyn.

Wyatt Roy is speaking after Griffo.

"This place just gets weirder and weirder and weirder," the member for Longman says.

He reckons that with the Kama Sutra comment, the member for Bruce has "spent a bit too much time with his friends from the HSU".

If Madam Speaker was in the House right now (which she is not) one can only image what she'd make of Griffo's remark.

 

Madam Speaker Bronwyn Bishop during question time on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Madam Speaker Bronwyn Bishop during question time on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Former Rudd numbers man Alan Griffin is now speaking on the MPI.

A man known for a colourful phrase, Griffo is going one further than talk that the government has been backflipping of late.

He says this is not just about gymnastics.

"It's not far off the Kama Sutra."

Ewww.

NT MP for the Coalition  Natasha Griggs in speaking in response to the Matter of Public Importance.

First up, she wanted comments by Tanya Plibersek withdrawn.

(During the debate, Plibersek suggested that Coalition MP Louise Markus was not often in her Blue Mountains electorate).

Plibersek is not required to withdraw.

Griggs' response?

"Whatever."

Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

Dr Abbott and Nurse Hockey.

But the fun continues.

Bill Shorten is now speaking on a matter of public importance. 

Official subject: "The undermining of public confidence caused by the government promising the Australian people one thing before the election and doing the complete opposite afterwards."

Bronwyn Bishop did not sound enthused when she read it out.

Shorten now has about 10 minutes to have a rant to the House.

i.e.:

"If you are ever in a real emergency, do not call Doctor Abbott and Nurse Hockey!" 

 

At 3.14pm, Tony Abbott calls an end to QT.

He says there have been 25 questions and "magnificent" answers.

(Has he been swapping notes with Alex Hawke?)

It's a shame that Ed has gone, because he's missed some great Peter/Pauling from Pyne:

"On school funding [Labor] supported $2.3 billion dollars of cuts to higher education when they were in government. They proposed them, ostensibly to pay for the Gonski model.

Then they took $1.2 billion out of the funding model in the pre-election fiscal outlook.

So they not only robbed Peter to pay Paul, Madam Speaker, they then mugged Paul afterwards in order to get the money from him as well ...

That is how confused this opposition is. 

They took the money from Peter to pay Paul, then poor old Paul never got it!"

 

In the midst of a dixer to Christopher Pyne (on how freeing schools from bureaucratic systems will improve student outcomes), Labor loses another MP.

This time, it's Western Sydney MP Ed Husic.

(And he really is a Western Sydney MP. Ed describes himself as "Blacktown, through and through.")

Richard Marles.

He's the member for Corio, the shadow minister for immigration and he's got a question for the PM.

The Coalition said it would introduce a boat buyback scheme.  Why hasn't it bought a single boat and completely ignored the promise?

Abbott says he is delighted to be getting "so many questions today" from the opposition.

"It certainly makes for a very swift and efficient question time."

In (non)response to Marles, he says the boats are stopping and that "we stand by all our policies".

(During estimates last month, officials conceded that no boats had been bought or were in the offing as the Indonesians had indicated they weren't keen on the idea).

Labor MP Tim Watts gets the House a roarin' with another question about the GST.

My question is to the PM. Given that the PM said there will be no change to the GST full stop, end of story, why is the government considering doing the opposite, and making Australians pay GST on online purchases of less than $1000?

Amid the hollers (B-Bish has to work hard for some shoosh), Tony Abbott says that the government would always look at "integrity measures" in our tax system.

BUT

"We will absolutely honour the commitments we have made to the Australian people."

And the Hockey heckle?

"You started it, you started it!"

Tim Watts during question time on Thursday, Ed Husic (pre-booting) is in front. Photo: Andrew Meares

Tim Watts during question time on Thursday, Ed Husic (pre-booting) is in front. Photo: Andrew Meares

Amid a string of questions on hospitals (thanks Peter Dutton) and childcare (thanks Kate Ellis, Sussan Ley), another MP is kicked out of the house.

So far, only Labor MPs have gone from question time in the 44th Parliament.

Today is it Queensland MP and novelist Graham Perrett.

He goes as Ley talks of Labor's "red tape" around childcare.

"Labor treats red tape like a security blanket," she says, referring to kids getting individual cup cakes with individual candles at birthdays so they don't pick up germs.

(Or maybe kids just like cupcakes?)

Graham Perrett was ejected from the chamber during question time on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Graham Perrett was ejected from the chamber during question time on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Control freak, moi?

Peta Credlin, Chief of Staff to Prime Minister Tony Abbott during Question Time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Peta Credlin, Chief of Staff to Prime Minister Tony Abbott during Question Time. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Back on the free trade deal with South Korea, Jonathan Swan has the tale here.

(Beef, wheat, sugar, dairy, wine, seafood are all involved... this is important stuff!)

Liberal MP Alex Hawke offers this objective assessment of QT today.

Shorten now pursues the PM on jobz.

I refer to the PM's promise to create one million new jobs over the next five years. Given the jobs of tens of thousands of workers at Holden, CSIRO etc. are now in doubt, isn't this the complete opposite to what the PM promised?

"The government appreciates that these are not easy times for many Australian manufacturers. We appreciate that some iconic businesses, such as Qantas, are under significant comparative pressure ... Obviously we grieve for every worker whose job has been lost," says Abbott.

The Treasurer is noticeably more animated behind him.

"We've been here three months! This is your mess!"

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

My question is to the Minister for Immigration. What steps has the government taken to honour its commitment to my constituents in Durack to stop the illegal arrival of people by boat, particularly in relation to the re-establishment of temporary protection visas?

(This from Coalition MP Melissa Price)

As Morrison rises, the heckle "operational matter" can be heard in the House.

Bronwyn Bishop on her feet, trying to get some order happening. Greg Hunt (answering the dixer below) was a bit slow to notice.

Madam Speaker Bronwyn Bishop stands seeking to regain control of the House as Environment minister Greg Hunt is encouraged to resume his seat during question time in Parliament House Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Madam Speaker Bronwyn Bishop stands seeking to regain control of the House as Environment minister Greg Hunt is encouraged to resume his seat during question time in Parliament House Canberra on Thursday. Photo: Andrew Meares

I think it took about 20 minutes before the government brought the "carbon tax has stuffed up Qantas" into  question time.

It comes by way of a dixer to Greg Hunt, from Tasmanian MP Andrew Nikolic.

I remind [the minister that] Qantas paid $106 million and Virgin Australia $37.9 million in carbon tax last year. Will the minister inform the house how Australians will benefit from the removal of this impost on domestic aviation?

Bill Shorten hops up to the despatch box and hopping mad he is too.

"Stop politicising job losses!"

"Shame on you!!!"

(He is then sat down by B-Bish)

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten remonstrates with Environment minister Greg Hunt during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten remonstrates with Environment minister Greg Hunt during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

Bob Katter, the member for Kennedy, has the crossbench question today.

It goes something like this:

To the Treasurer - in officially announcing that the Treasurer has been accorded the highest of appellations, the title of honorary North Queenslander.

In light of this august title and obligations and the spirit of Christmas, could the minister ensure his fellow north Queenslanders that [an irrigation scheme], shall continue to receive the strongest of Treasury and government support? 

Hockey ends up also asking Warren Truss to help him answer.

Bronwyn Bishop is cool with this.

QT prop update:

Chris Bowen has been at the despatch box waggling photocopies of Liberal ads.

Joe Hockey has brandished a graph from the frontbench in response.

Bronwyn Bishop has decreed that no one use props.

So far, no one has used a photo of Christine Milne.

Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen displays an altered election pledge during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen displays an altered election pledge during question time. Photo: Andrew Meares

There is an early economic theme emerging in the Coalition's line of dixering.

First a question to the PM on why it was important for the government to keep its commitment to build a stronger economy.

Next, one to Hockey on the plan he took to the election to fix the budget and the economy.

Somehow it ends up with the Treasurer saying:

"The problem is the Labor Party had no principles in government and it's got no principles in opposition. It's only good at stabbing itself in the back, and now it's very good at being a hypocrite."

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

But Bill is back with the second of Labor's questions to the PM.

Before the election, you promised an adult government to follow due process with a 10-day cabinet rule. So why has the government repeatedly changed its position ... and used a crisis meeting on Sunday night to determine education policy? 

Tony Abbott: "The Leader of the Opposition has simply got his facts wrong." (end of answer)

The first question is from Labor's Justine Elliot to the PM*.

Why are you considering applying the GST to relocatable home parks, when you said there would be no change to the GST "full stop, end of story"?

"Our commitments will be kept," says Tony Abbott.

But notes that in the administration of tax law, "various things happen".

*Bill Shorten is clearly not thingy about having to have the first question of QT.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott during Question Time on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Tony Abbott begins question time by announcing that Australia has finished free trade negotiations with South Korea.

It has to be ticked off by cabinet, but the PM says it fulfils an election promises.

It is "good news for growth", he tells the Parliament, before congratulating Trade Minister Andrew Robb.

Bill Shorten welcomes the news, and notes that negotiations began in 2009, under Kevin Rudd.

He asks for details of the agreement "at the earliest possible time".

(In other words: don't get too carried away with the glory, here, PM.)

Trade Minister Andrew Robb and his Korean counterpart, Yoon Sang-jick, Korea Minister of Trade, Industry and Energy.

Trade Minister Andrew Robb and his Korean counterpart, Yoon Sang-jick, Korea Minister of Trade, Industry and Energy.

Business columnist Elizabeth Knight writes that "time is up for Qantas".

"The government can't fix the commercial disaster that the national carrier faces. The airline is in crisis and in need of radical surgery."

The crash metaphors do not bode well.

Labor leader Bill Shorten has spoken about the news that Qantas will shed at least 1000 workers (see: 11.05am post).

"Labor's thoughts" are with the workers their families involved, he says.

And he wants to see the government do something.

"This significant news deserves deserves a significant and timely response and Labor puts the government on notice that we expect them to move quickly ..."

Shorten also shoots down any suggestion that the carbon tax is involved in Qantas's woes.

He says he has spoken to Qantas boss Alan Joyce in the past hour.

This is about the "changing market", not the CT.

 

 

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten addresses the media on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten addresses the media on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The omnibus bill is yet to make it to the Senate.

But inspired by lower house goings on, independent Nick Xenophon, Greens senator Richard Di Natale and DLP man John Madigan reintroduced a bill this morning to try and impose new restrictions on pokies.

This included preventing bets of more than $1.

The Coalition and Labor do not support the bill, but long-time anti-gambling campaigner Xenophon is undeterred.

"We cannot give up because the cost is too high for too many people," he told the Senate.

Senator Nick Xenophon. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Senator Nick Xenophon. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In pokies news, the Greens are urging Labor to block Abbott government plans to repeal poker machine reforms, introduced by the Gillard government.

As Dan Harrison writes, earlier this week, the Coalition introduced legislation which would scrap reforms, including a requirement that machines be equipped with pre-commitment technology, the creation of a national gambling regulator and a $250-a-day cap on automatic teller machine withdrawals in gaming venues.

(These reforms were criticised at the time as being a watered-down version of what independent Andrew Wilkie had been pushing for in return for his support for the Gillard government.)

Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews says the government wants to take a new approach to problem gambling.

Labor allowed the gambling repeal to pass on Tuesday (on the voices). But it says it is yet to finalise its position for the Senate.

The gambling repeal was included as part of a bigger "omnibus" social services bill.

The Greens argue that putting such a contentious issue into a broader bill is a bit sneaky.

 

 

As SMH state political editor Sean Nicholls reports today, Karen McNamara and Lucy Wicks have something of a backstory (see: 11.13 am, 11.56 am posts).

There was a brawl over preselections for their Central Coast seats before the federal election.

There's a Chris Hartcher link too.

As Sean writes:

"... Centre right faction candidate Lucy Wicks [was] imposed on preselectors in the seat of Robertson who favoured Mr Hartcher's candidate Karen McNamara.

In the end Mr Abbott was forced to intervene to broker a peace deal. Ms Wicks was anointed in Robertson and Ms McNamara installed as the Dobell candidate."

McNamara has also been "dragged" into the NSW donations scandal due to a former role as a campaign manager for state MP Darren Webber (whose office has been raided by ICAC officers).

 

 

Or the Treasurer?

Treasurer Joe Hockey is presented with jerseys by Wallabies Pat McCabe and Kurtley Beale on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Treasurer Joe Hockey is presented with jerseys by Wallabies Pat McCabe and Kurtley Beale on Thursday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

The PM?

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is presented with a jersey by Wallabies Pat McCabe, Kurtley Beale and ARU CEO Bill Pulver. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is presented with a jersey by Wallabies Pat McCabe, Kurtley Beale and ARU CEO Bill Pulver. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Joe Hockey has also received a jersey donation.

McCabe and Beale have presented him with framed Wallabies and Lions jerseys, signed by both teams.

The question is, who looks more chuffed to be meeting rugby players and getting some sweet memorabilia?

Yesterday, it was cricket. Today is is rugby day (union, not league). 

The PM has been presented with a Wallabies jersey signed by every indigenous Wallaby and painted at the bottom by rugby great Mark Ella's niece, Natalie Bateman.

Kurtley Beale and Pat McCabe made the presentation.

Union boss Bill Pulver was also along for the ride (and to give the PM a quick briefing).

After his spirited comments about chips this morning (see: 9.59am post), Clive Palmer appears to be doing a spot of damage control after Boganmail (see: 9.56am post).

As Julie Bishop preps for her meeting with Marty Natalegawa, another asylum seeker boat has arrived at Christmas Island, according to a report from The West Australian.

It is estimated that 60 people were on the boat that was intercepted last night.

This comes after another boat, carrying about 30 people, arrived on Sunday.

Australia-Indonesia co-operation on people smuggling is currently on a huge pile of ice, after it was revealed last month that Australia had tried to listen to SBY's phone.

 

The relationship with Indonesia is no laughing matter.

Education minister Christopher Pyne and Foreign Affairs minister Julie Bishop react during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

Education minister Christopher Pyne and Foreign Affairs minister Julie Bishop react during question time on Wednesday. Photo: Andrew Meares

As we noted yesterday, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is in Indonesia today to try and do some smoothing and schmoozing.

Her meeting with Marty Natalegawa is due about 3pm AEST.

 

Far out, I don't even know what "turbo" means.

Karen McNamara MP for Dobell is congratulated by Philip Ruddock after making her maiden speech. Photo: Andrew Meares

Karen McNamara MP for Dobell is congratulated by Philip Ruddock after making her maiden speech. Photo: Andrew Meares

Liberal MP Lucy Wicks has also given her maiden speech.

Wicks has replaced Labor's Deb O'Neill in the lower house in the Central Coast seat of Roberston.

O'Neill has since found her way into the Senate and Wicks acknowledges her predecessor "now serving in the other place". 

Family is a strong theme of Wicks' speech.

It is not for schools or preschools to raise children, she says. That's a parent's  job. 

Wicks adds that discussion around family policy has been superseded in recent times by the debate about the definition of marriage. We should instead be looking at ways to strengthen families.

There is a big impressive roll call of thank yous for the new MP for Robertson.

John Howard and Alan Jones get personal mentions.

As does Bronwyn Bishop.

"I know you as Bronwyn," Wicks says (a bit daring when you're supposed to use "Madam Speaker". On pain of death!). 

 

 

Lucy Wicks MP for Robertson makes her maiden speech. Photo: Andrew Meares

Lucy Wicks MP for Robertson makes her maiden speech. Photo: Andrew Meares

Karen McNamara, the Liberal MP for Dobell, is giving her maiden speech to the House of Reps.

She has pledged to represent the electorate with "integrity".

McNamara, of course, succeeds Craig Thomson in Dobell.

This week, we have heard saucy details about Thomson's alleged misuse of union funds, as the case went before a Melbourne court (follow the link for the bit about the red turbo spa room). 

The Liberal MP tells the House that after six years lacking "formal representation" (when Thomson was the member), voters in Dobell had become the "forgotten people".

McNamara says she wants to place Dobell "back on the map for all the right reasons".

The new MP also wants to create many jobs in the region.

 

 

The new member for Dobell, Liberal Karen McNamara.

The new member for Dobell, Liberal Karen McNamara. Photo: Ryan Osland

The festering season is upon us.

That means many drinks functions and the political world is no different.

There is a knees-up for Labor staffers and MPs next Wednesday in Canberra at Old Parliament House (billed as "end of year thank you drinks").

As you can see from the top of the invitation below, the opportunity to have a dig at the Coalition has not been passed up.

 

The ALP's Christmas drinks invitation to staffers, members and Senators.

The ALP's Christmas drinks invitation to staffers, members and Senators.

Not a great day to be a Qantas employee.

The flying kangaroo will axe at least 1000 jobs over the next year.

Business reporter Matt O'Sullivan has the report here:

This news comes after recent pleading from the company for federal government assistance.

Greens senator Larissa Waters does not think we should be calling voters bogans. Especially not in her state of Queensland.

"Well, I thought it was really sad to hear a member of the Palmer Party in Queensland denigrate Queenslanders. And frankly it reinforced for me that Clive Palmer's party is all about billionaires and big mining interests and not really about normal people," she told Breaking Politics.

 

For new Nationals MP Andrew Broad, bogans and Uggs are a beautiful thing.

"Bogans are a very important part of [the electorate of] Mallee and even me, as a prime land producer, who produces of course skins that they make Ugg boats out of. I like bogans. They’re very good for Australian business," he has told Fairfax Media's Breaking Politics.

He notes the issue is complex:

"Australians have always had a bit of a laugh at themselves, and its always been a great characteristic."

BUT

"As a member of parliament, you’ve got to respect the people that live In your electorate, and people of all walks of life so [the Boganland email] was probably a bit in bad taste."

 

As an Ugg boot owner who very much enjoys a burger (with pineapple), this debate is a bit confronting.

Happily, according to actual research, that's OK: we all have a little bogan in us sometimes.

 

Jonathan Swan has had a chat to Clive Palmer about boganism

Despite the electronic correspondance, the PUP leader says that his party welcomes all Australians, bogan or otherwise.

Palmer also argues that he had "spent most of [his] life as a bogan".

"All I can say is I like chips  ... I regularly eat at McDonald's but I'm eating more salads now . . . I wear Ugg boots and I go four-wheel driving," he says.

"We have got an alliance with the Motoring Enthusiasts."

"[Victorian senator-election Ricky Muir] throws kangaroo poo; what's so insulting about that? It's a lot of fun."

 

 

 

Leaving economic matters for a moment, the issue of boganism has raised its head in PUPland.

In an email, allegedly sent by Queensland PUP MP  Alex Douglas, voters are described as "bogans" living "empty lives".

(This has been leaked by disgruntled former PUP candidate  Marti Zucco.)

Douglas's email reportedly goes on:

"The interesting observation about Boganland is not just how common it is now but how the sufferers just copy one another so quickly with each trend ... It is no longer satisfactory that they will just buy [and wear] ugg boots, watch Big Brother, choke on a diet of grease, dye their bright purple [sic], tatoo [sic] and rejoice in their ignorance."

Douglas also describes PUP senator-elect Jacqui Lambie as the "ace up the sleeve" to win over Australia’s battlers because she comes from said Boganland (aka Tasmania?).

Lambie's most memorable quote to date comes from just after the September 7 election.

"If he thinks that Pauline Hanson was a pain in the rear end, Tony Abbott better look out," she said. "He hasn't come up against Jacqui Lambie."

Clive Palmer with Motorist Party Senator-elect Ricky Muir, Palmer United Senator-elect Jacqui Lambie and Palmer United Senator-elect Glenn Lazarus after Mr Palmer addressed the National Press Club on November 12. Photo: Andrew Meares

Clive Palmer with Motorist Party Senator-elect Ricky Muir, Palmer United Senator-elect Jacqui Lambie and Palmer United Senator-elect Glenn Lazarus after Mr Palmer addressed the National Press Club on November 12. Photo: Andrew Meares

What do the Greens make of all this?

Deputy Leader Adam Bandt is unapologetic about the deal with the Coalition and dismissive of the opposition's crankiness.

Labor's hypocrisy "knows no bounds'', he told reporters at the House of Reps doors this morning.

The debt ceiling concept was just a silly import from the US.

And Labor "should stop trying to out Abbott Abbott" on economic matters (and asylum seekers).

 

 

Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen reckons that it is Liberal voters who will be feeling spurned.

He says there is nothing wrong with crying "no fair" over the government's debt actions (after they promised so many times before the election that a Coalition government would reduce debt).

"We make no apologies," Bowen has told Sky News.

And he has brushed off questions about the government's offer for a briefing from the Treasury head Martin Parkinson about the debt situation.

"[They] wanted to include us in their secrecy."

The money MPs have been out early and often today.

Treasurer Joe Hockey has employed a most diverse selection of imagery to argue the government's case on matters debtly.

Labor is crying "crocodile tears because the Greens have proven to be more sensible [on economic issues]," he told Sky News.

They are "now consigned to the back of the garden", while at the same time being in the "basement".

Then, on ABC Radio, Hockey described Labor's reaction (they are not happy about the debt deal) as "absolutely bizarre".

"It's like a husband being upset that their ex-wife went off and had a cup of coffee with some other man."

(Reading between the lines: things are only at the casual "let's have a drink" stage between the Coalition and the Greens. We shouldn't be planning the hens/ bucks just yet.)

 

We begin the morning with much discussion about the announcement last night that the Coalition and the Greens have combined forces to get rid of the debt ceiling.

Mark Kenny and Peter Martin have the story on the "extraordinary deal".

We are expecting the Greens to introduce the debt ceiling repeal in the Senate around lunchtime.

So, the legislation could be in the House before question time (although this depends a bit on whether Labor deals with it in a speedy fashion).

 

 

The debate about debt is raging. Is it cool for the Greens to see other parties? The Coalition says "of course it is" as Labor carries on like a disgruntled ex.

Meanwhile, Palmer United finds itself stuck in Boganland. Everyone else wonders if Ugg-boot-wearing means they are a bogan too. 

That must make it a Thursday in Canberra and the last sitting day of the week.

 

Do we really have to keep talking about debt?

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time at Parliament House on Wednesday.
Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time at Parliament House on Wednesday. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

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  • Oh crap, Death Stare Julie is in Indonesia. Better stock up the supplies in the bunker.

    Commenter
    Death Stare Julie
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:35PM
  • betcha did'nt keep 'em waiting this time jules

    Commenter
    they' back
    Location
    illawarra
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:13PM
  • Does anyone know when channel nine's new show Phoney Tony and Co. starts?

    Commenter
    Rupert M
    Location
    Wouldn't you like to know
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:08PM
  • How true is that poster Chris Bowen is holding up of the Abbott election promises. If only 3% of the population realised that before September we wouldn't be in the mess we are now!

    Commenter
    Pieron
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:04PM
  • Thanks for including the pictures and bit of info about the Indigenous Advisory Council first meet.
    That's some nice positive news.

    Commenter
    Christielle
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:01PM
  • re global warming, too much carbon, let's go back to the stone ages, etc

    What Homo Sapiens really needs is a reduction of their numbers by probably around 3-4000 millions. Anybody got any ideas how that could come about. trouble is knowing Homo Sapiens as well as I do, their numbers would be back up to what they are now fairly quickly -- I think it really is a lost cause.

    Wow -- do you know just how many dinosoars there used to be on this planet - incredible!! BIG ones too!!

    Commenter
    Baz
    Location
    Brisbane
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 5:00PM
  • Peter Schmidt

    Current Australian gross annual coal production (407.6 million tonnes) produces approximately 1.165 billion tonnes of CO2. By 2017 forecasts predict 800 million tonne gross coal production, producing 2.28 billion tonnes of CO2.

    Absorption of CO2 by forests varies; however, one scientific research centre suggests 440 tonnes of CO2 absorption per one hectare of mature forest, bearing in mind trees take at least 30 years to mature? Nevertheless absorbing 2.28 billion tonnes of CO2 divided by 440 tonnes per hectare equates to 5.8 million additional hectares of forest. To place this in context Victoria’s entire forestry comprises 3.7 million hectares.
    Even cutting emissions by 20% on 2017 CO2 figures requires 1.16 million hectares of additional forest.

    Trees spaced by one per 3 square metres = 450 trees per hectare x 1160000 hectares = 522 million trees. Variables dictate an average mature tree requires 1000 litres of water on hot days hence, 522 million x 1000 = 52.2 billion litre water requirement for every hot 24 hour period?

    Clearly scrapping the carbon tax isn’t sensible, even though it doesn’t reduce CO2 given our coal production programme (368% increase, 220 – 800 million tonnes).

    Yearly carbon tax receipts based on $23 per tonne of carbon could have funded 3 X 1,079,232 giga watt hours per year base load concentrated solar salt power stations. In ten years 30 of these, some with salt storage, would substantially reduce coal produced CO2 production by 2023. Nevertheless the absurd and dishonest farce of Abbott’s scheme while increasing coal production is no more than treating voters as imbeciles.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 4:53PM
  • Does Christopher Pyne ever shut up?

    Commenter
    Tricky Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 4:18PM
    • The question should be "does he ever make any sense"

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:37PM
    • Thank goodness I can't afford to fly Business Class or qualify for a Defence flight - he would not be on my list of seating partners

      Commenter
      Smirk
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:44PM
    • Or, does he ever stop that annoying whining?

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:37PM
    • Christopher Pyne reminds me of 'Dicky Knee". A talking head that keeps popping up to say something stupid.

      Commenter
      Arthur
      Location
      mt eliza
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:48PM
    • Pity his wife, he no doubt talks in his sleep.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:56PM
    • Dead set all he he has to say now is "Gotta Zip" and its Kevin Rudd reincarnated!!

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:57PM
  • Wyatt Roy - this is the teenager Member ?? He needs to get some real life experience in the real world.

    Commenter
    Ho Hum
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 4:13PM
    • Do you mean the type of experience all those Labor party union hacks have got?

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:59PM
    • Just like all the Union lackeys in the ALP who have never done an honest days work in their life hey.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:59PM
  • Picture @ 8am. Joe checking out what Parliament looks like from the Speakers perspective.

    Commenter
    tasch2
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:52PM
  • Nice picture of our two actions heroes, Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey. Great looking guys.

    Commenter
    christielle
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:46PM
    • The phrase "All style and No Substance" comes to mind - but no style either. And A FAIL to Joe - no blue tie today

      Commenter
      Ho Hum
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:11PM
    • You've got issues love and not just with your eyesight.

      Commenter
      Spec Savers
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:36PM
  • The problem of government debt is not the debt itself but what the debt actually funds. I don’t have a problem with government running a debt especially when interest rates are so low as they currently are.

    The problem is, which both Labor and the Coalition do not seem to understand, is what our fiscal biggest problems are. They are twofold: costs of fossil fuel expansion and population expansion.

    Of the world population of 7 billion there are one billion teenagers, which inevitably means they will produce two children for the world population to reach 9 billion sooner than later. If the energy to support the 9 billion comes from fossil fuel then we as a species are finished.

    In Australia we use 11000 KWh of power per captia, an extra say 10 million people equates to about an extra 40 million tonnes of coal burnt each year to produce 104.8 billion tonnes of Co2 every year. Clearly this is not a viable option worth even considering.

    The only way out of this quagmire is to create a fiscal stimulus to create an Australian manufacturing industry backed by massive green energy production by various types of CSP energy and the manufacture of vehicle types using hydrogen fuel cells.

    These technologies are readily available and in current production elsewhere. Meanwhile our two oligarchy’s dither and argue about nonsensical issues with each other on the roundabout to nowhere while wasting time and millions in taxpayer dollars.

    Abbott must be made to understand the problem and be made to act, or we should shed ourselves of the Coalition and the other oligarch once and for all.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:44PM
  • Rabble rabble we hate Tony Abbott rabble rabble on the Fairfax site all day rabble rabble rabble...

    Commenter
    MyPetMonkey
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:40PM
    • It is starting to look like the rusted on right is having trouble coping with the reality of the incompetent mess they supported into government. Apparently, they cannot make the transition from abusing Julia Gillard endlessly and unjustifiably to where the whole Abbott circus gets a reasonable critique. Poor babies.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Change the name to Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard and you will have perfectly summed up the last 6 years. Here is a thought toughen up princess your own medicine a bitter pill hey????

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:11PM
    • Personally, I've always had a distaste for sock puppets.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:23PM
    • Keep whining on the internets guys! Change the world one bitter comment at a time!

      Commenter
      MyPetMonkey
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:00PM
  • Bill Shorten is now speaking on a matter of public importance.
    Official subject: "The undermining of public confidence caused by the government promising the Australian people one thing before the election and doing the complete opposite afterwards."

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha....

    Commenter
    Puzzled
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:35PM
    • Yes, it is absolutely hilarious that a political party that banged on for nearly three years in Opposition about the need for honesty from the government has turned into the most dishonest government in Australia's history in just three months.

      If it was not so tragic for Australia I'd be laughing too.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:14PM
  • Bill Shorten is now speaking on a matter of public importance. Official subject:

    "The undermining of public confidence caused by the government promising the Australian people one thing before the election and doing the complete opposite afterwards."

    Al last. Something Shorten is truly qualified to speak on

    Commenter
    Sherlock
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:32PM
    • Oh you mean like Porkie Pyne?

      "LEIGH SALES: For most of this year you've told us that Gonski was a "Con-ski", then just before the election you said you were on a unity ticket with Labor on Education funding." (Hah!)

      "Last week you pulled out of that and said you'd be devising your own new funding model after 2014."

      "Today, you're back on board with Gonski."

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:11PM
  • If Bill Shorten allowed the repeal of the carbon tax, it might be too late for Qantas, but it will help a lot of other industries.

    Will he be a hero and just let the repeal go through? Suppose we'll soon find out.

    Commenter
    christielle
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:27PM
    • You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time . .

      Commenter
      Oh Dear
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:40PM
    • What we need is the price on carbon to stay and morph. Monies that were raised went to renewable technologies and rewarded incentive. Paying polluters and planting a few trees is not going to achieve anything.
      We have to get away from our dependency on big filthy coal and become a leader in the renewable sector. R&D is where our future lies, not in holes in the ground.
      The joke was on your spunk when he toured that abattoir in QLD in the campaign, they were indeed embracing renewables, enough egg on his face to feed a family of five for breakfast.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Yes christielle. join the Greg Hunt bandwagon of making sleazy political capital out of job losses. The reality is the Australians will keep losing their jobs while this incompetent mess continues to care more about scoring cheap political points off Labor than the real challenges facing Australians.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:46PM
    • Christielle,

      I hope you realise that at $62 per tonne, Abbott's direct action plan is more expensive than both the ALP's carbon tax and an emissions trading scheme.

      You might also like to remember that the energy providers refuse to guarantee that power bills will fall by 10% if the carbon tax is replaced by Abbott's rubbish uncosted direct action plan which has a $4 billion to $15 billion blackhole in its costings.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:54PM
    • Please explain with FACTS based on TRUTH. I await with bated breath on your startling revelations hitherto unheard.

      Commenter
      Pen of hba
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:03PM
    • WW, you mean the same Greg Hunt who wrote a thesis on the need to price Carbon!!!! Surely you jest!!! That would mean hypocrisy or a major backflip, at least he is in the right company!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:24PM
    • Christielle
      If Qantas can't survive with the cheapest power in the world, then it needs new management, not another free kick from the government.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:33PM
    • You are wrong Country gal; planting trees will achieve the most. According to the latest research, planting trees on the long run will stabilise the weather and induce more rain. As a bonus our fauna will appreciate it as well.

      Commenter
      Peter Schmidt
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      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:39PM
    • Peter
      How quickly can you plant a trillion trees?
      Maybe we need another strategy while you are digging your holes.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:51PM
  • Another disgraceful performance by the Speaker... and it continues after question time. She is a disgrace.

    Commenter
    Rusty
    Location
    Narre Warren
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:19PM
    • I agree. Madam Squeaker is not up to the job.

      Commenter
      Ize
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:01PM
    • Unfortunately she is perfect for the job she was chosen for. That is why Abbott picked her!!!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:32PM
  • "Magnificant Answers" - wow and this is our PM ??? He ran a straw poll of one . . .

    Commenter
    What The . .
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:18PM
    • No. He knew Peta was sitting behind him and wanted to impress her.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:47PM
    • She is obviously easily impressed - after all she is running this rabble

      Commenter
      Ho Hum
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:09PM
  • Headline: "Hockey proves PM's brightest asset"

    Gosh, that's not setting the bar very high, is it!

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:18PM
    • Perhaps they meant brightest red. You would getting pretty embarrassed sitting amongst that lot.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:48PM
    • Clown of the Day Award goes to Chrissy Pyne - again.

      Commenter
      Oh Dear
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:49PM
    • GOLD!

      Commenter
      Thanks for the much-needed laugh
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:51PM
    • Yeah, a guy whose greatest achievements to date is to use the word 'mess' endlessly with a straight face and be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the Greens. Still, compared to the rest of his colleagues that is a stand out performance.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:05PM
  • Congratulations to the Labor Party for negotiating the free trade agreement with South Korea. These agreements take years to complete and the fact that Liberal were able to come in and finally sign it off is a testament to the Labor document quality.

    Congratulations to the Liberal Party for completing what Labor started.

    See, it is possible to do something positive and agree with Labor on something. There's always a a first for everything.

    Of course, I'm sure the Tricky Liberals will try to claim the whole thing was done in a few weeks, but we all know that's impossible without Labor's diplomacy.

    Commenter
    Tricky Tony
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:16PM
  • In (non)response to Marles, he says the boats are stopping and that "we stand by all our policies".

    Yes, the latest two boats to set sail from Indonesia have been stopped - at Christmas Island.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:14PM
  • The most Claytons parliament I have ever witnessed. Deloris is turning our parliament into a farce. Question time may as well be abolished as this sham speaker is allowing the government to get away with not answering,to a degree I have never witnessed.

    Commenter
    RTP
    Location
    Sawtell
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:10PM
    • it's a farce for sure, notice how smug she is when the Govt misbehave and are out of order, yet deems not. totally partisan.
      One big Dixer.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:16PM
    • You clearly did not watch the last parliament then, or the one before that. But good luck in getting any speaker, who is elected as a politician, to not be political. Won't happen sport.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:33PM
    • @ kp.

      What, would that be the parliament that had Anna Burke, Slipper and Jenkins as speakers? All of whom all were widely respected (ok, not Slipper with the respect) & considered on both sides of politics and the press as taking the job very seriously and acting in a truly non-partisan way?

      So I guess you must mean the parliament that came before them then.

      Commenter
      Sambo
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:06PM
    • Ummm, Sambo the only people who thought Anna Burke did a good job were labor supporters. Nobody on the coalition side thought she did well - that is widely known. Slipper was not bad, but then nobody wanted him so he had no loyalty to anyone. Jenkins was a nice fella, but very biased to labor. And so he should be. Are you trying to gaslight everyone lol. Won't work.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:34PM
  • Another excuse from Tony Abbott. This time blaming Labor for not dealing with the Graincorp decision. The incompetent mess now on the Treasury bench just can't help making excuses and blaming everyone and anyone but themselves.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:10PM
  • Tanya Plibersek looks like a stunned mullet. So anxious and uptight. She won't last as deputy opposition leader and may even follow Rudd with an early resignation

    Commenter
    Seabass
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:09PM
    • You'd be a stunned mullet too if you had to listen to the clowns on the Govt bench - anyone with half a brain would have to zone out.

      Commenter
      What The . .
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Seabass,

      That's just her natural look. Usually it also has a snarl.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:42PM
  • Tony "we stand by all our policies".Abbott - that is an oxymoron - what policies - we have yet to see any. Promising to buy up boats was soundbites on the run.

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:09PM
  • Congratulations to the Coalition on negotiating a free trade agreement with South Korea...........another success!

    Commenter
    liklik
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 3:08PM
    • What did Abbott get Australia to sacrifice to secure the deal?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Yes - thank goodness they could put a rubber stamp on a 99.99999 % completed action. Of course Bishop the Younger has yet to have a chance at undermining that relationship

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:14PM
    • Congratulation to the ALP for, as usual, doing all the hard yards while the Liar Lition take the credit.

      Commenter
      Enough Spin
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:16PM
    • They didn't negotiate it, they signed it and took the glory

      Commenter
      Rusty
      Location
      Narre Warren
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:16PM
    • Liklik
      No thanks to the people who really made it happen?
      Can't bring yourself to acknowledge the real work that was done?
      You really think an FTA is negotiated in 100 days?

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:16PM
    • another? which other??? All belly flops and head on disasters to date. But hey, thanks for taking the credit for all the hard yards done by Labor, which is, of course, the right whinge way of doing things.

      Commenter
      Spitspit
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Yeah , it's the same as how the LNP did a Steven Bradbury on the UN security council and G20 meetings. I notice no Julie Bishop.

      Commenter
      Tim
      Location
      InnerCity
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Are you serious - firstl your use of the wor "another" would imply they had already had a success and secondly do you think that they knocked together a free trade agreement in 3 months?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:26PM
    • It's great to know they can at least sign a piece of paper. I do hope they read the fine print - Liberal governments rarely do as evidenced by the disgracefully one-sided US FTA.

      Trade deals like this take years to complete. It was probably mostly Rudd's work that the Liberals get to take credit for.

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Let's hope it's a positive outcome for Australia and it does not lead to more and more "cheap goods" replacing our manufacturing jobs. Oh well, suppose any unemployed workers could always buy a tent and go fruit picking !

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:35PM
    • Lets see... Who is the net beneficiary out of the deal??

      Something tells me we are not.... In which case, another fail mark for the government.

      Commenter
      Sam
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:44PM
    • To have "another" of something you need to have had at least one first. This is yet to happen.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:45PM
    • Yes and they did it all in 100 days apparently in your mind liklik.

      Naturally the fact that talks were started under the Rudd Government in 2009 is of little consequence. Another remarkable achievement by the Abbott Government! Troll much?

      Commenter
      Altered
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:53PM
    • It would appear that the Left are unable to give credit where credit is due..................oh well, not to worry, they're in the minority.

      Commenter
      liklik
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:56PM
    • It seems the LNP are still the best at passing off the achievements of others as their own.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Another Labor victory claimed by this rabble. Are you honestly of the opinion this was started and finished by the noalition. I suppose now i have heard everything congratulations liklik (Malik)

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:59PM
    • What an ignorant statement, all the work was done by the former government It's a wonder the non Deloris Bishop didn't think it was Kim Jong's Korea and tear it up.

      Commenter
      RTP
      Location
      Sawtell
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:06PM
    • liklik,
      The free trade agreement with Korea has been in negotiations for more than 2 years now. It was hardly something that was put together in the last 100 days.

      Commenter
      Econorat
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:13PM
    • Lilklik, I hope this trade agreement is better for Australia than the one John Howard negotiated with the USA.

      Commenter
      ICSBSS
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:14PM
    • Unlike my critics, I have no problem congratulating the previous Government for doing the groundwork that enabled the Coalition to sign off on the free trade agreement, however, it still does not change the fact that without the Coalition, the deal would not have been finalised. I now look forward to my critics acknowledging the same but am expecting more hysterical shrieking. Ha Ha! The last 3 months have been most satisfying and I expect the next 3 years to be the same.

      Commenter
      liklik
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:21PM
    • Oh yes Malik revel in your 48% majority for the next 3 years!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:27PM
    • Another example of the LNP doing and the ALP promising to do!!

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:41PM
    • yes great job Coalition. Australia definetly OPEN for business!!

      Commenter
      shonkyshorten
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:47PM
  • Photo 1:55pm

    Another cold pie!!

    Commenter
    Masked Marvel
    Location
    Gotham
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:59PM
    • Photo 12:24

      Another Porky Pie!

      Commenter
      Juvenile
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:39PM
  • So far, only Labor MPs have gone from Question Time in the 44th parliament.

    Dolores would hardly toss out Malfoy would she?

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:58PM
  • Regarding Hockey's "We've been here three months." Expecting to see it morph into 6 months, 9 months, a year until finally in the leadup to the election we'll hear, "We've been here three years!"

    Commenter
    Akeashar
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:51PM
  • So Joe - you've "been here three months" and what exactly have you achieved ?

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:45PM
    • Three months is the usual probationery period in a new job - anywhere else and he'd be getting a pink slip

      Commenter
      Get on with it Boys
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:53PM
    • A mess. Joe is so proud of his Government's biggest achievement, he can't stop talking about it.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:57PM
    • Well!
      1) He has blamed Labor for everything in relation to question time
      2) Borrowed more money to get out of debt (backflip)
      3) Squashed all rumours of a Budget Emergency (Bellyflop)
      4) Carried on like he was still in opposition
      5) Struck a deal with the Greens (hypocritical backflip)

      Sweaty Joe has been very busy flip floping around the place and spending money like a drunken sailor!

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:02PM
    • The coalition have all but stopped the boats, lifted the debt ceiling to prevent an international crisis in our economy(caused by labors debt) and organised a free trade deal with South Korea. These are just a few things the coalition has done to start fixing the problems caused by labor. And all this in 3 months. Give them another 2 years and 9 months and things will really look even better. Great start by the coalition.

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:14PM
    • The coalition have all but stopped the boats - WELL TWO ARRIVED THIS WEEK

      lifted the debt ceiling to prevent an international crisis in our economy - REALLY - I DOUBT THE WORLD BANK, IMF ETC HAS NOTICED THIS

      organised a free trade deal with South Korea - HA HA HA

      Commenter
      Oh Dear
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:38PM
    • Two boats is better than the two dozen that arrived on average under labor per week or was it more. It shows that already they have almost grind halt.
      And you don't think the IMF, world bank etc notices Australia - oh dear 'Oh Dear'. Not the smartest comment I have ever read and pretty desperate. You must have been labors economic adviser all those years.
      And you think a free trade deal with South Korea is a joke, wow, that is scary.
      Oh Dear, you should stick to inner thoughts...(and all of this without having to use capitals)

      Commenter
      kp
      Location
      brisbane
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:01PM
    • It's often interesting to cross reference Scott Morrison's statements during his weekly Operation Sovereign Borders briefings against other sources, and notice the yawning discrepancies.

      "Asylum seeker mum fears baby and children will die if sent back to Nauru"
      (ABC radio AM transcript, 8 Nov 2013)

      "SCOTT MORRISON: This suggestion that there is a pregnant woman with twins on Nauru is simply not true. It's actually not true."

      "There is not a pregnant woman with twins on Nauru. I strongly suggest that media should more thoroughly interrogate the sorts of claims that are being represented to you."

      "FELICITY OGILVIE: The Rohingya woman says that while she was pregnant she was detained in a tent for two weeks on Nauru"

      www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3886635.htm

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 6:02PM
    • KP,

      Don't believe everything Scott Morrison says.

      Especially the dribble Morrison extrudes at his weekly briefings.

      "While Morrison claimed there were two out of four requests rejected by Jakarta, Agus claimed that Indonesia rejected three out of six requests from Australia. "

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 6:13PM
  • Possible SLOGAN ALERT - "An Operational Matter" - should deal nicely as an answer to any question asked in the House or elsewhere.

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:41PM
  • Does anyone else here think that all these comments are really just preaching to the converted?

    Liberals are going to believe what Liberals are going to believe.

    Laborites are going to believe what Laborites are going to believe.

    etc.

    And no one else is probably listening...

    Commenter
    Tone
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Yeah, Tone, you're right. But it makes me feel good to see the Cons struggling to justify the incompetent mess that they support.

      Just seeing Hacka think the Opposition has been going great guns (except for Porky Pyne of course) makes my day every day.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:02PM
    • It beats listening to the cricket where they are discussing at length weather polar bears are left handed for any particular reason. I'm not joking. Maybe they could sell off ABC radio !

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:40PM
  • Bill Shorten:
    "Stop politicising job losses!"
    "Shame on you!!!"

    Bill, you shouldn't be surprised by this. For a party that made huge political capital from the deaths of asylum seekers at sea (and still does), it could hardly trouble their conscience to make political capital out of job losses for Australian workers. And, of course, given that some of these people actually have the temerity to have been members of unions the Government thinks they deserve everything they get.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:33PM
    • Shorten calls for a stop on politicising job losses but does exactly that on his next question (The Pulse @ 2:39pm) and makes out like it is a broken promise. Whylla, you really should include all sides when you denounce hypocracy in HoR.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:04PM
    • Lewis, if you can't tell the difference between a sleazy and dishonest attempt by Greg Hunt to blame the disaster at Qantas on the carbon price (because that is all he cares about) and a legitimate question on the Government's promise to create jobs when many are losing theirs, then it is no wonder you are rusted on the Hypocrisy Party.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:19PM
    • No Whyalla, I can't see any difference from the sleazy dishonest attempt to blame the Qantas demise on the carbon tax from the sleazy dishonest attempt to equate the deterioration of Australian Industry, which started some time ago, as a broken promise.

      But anyway, do keep on with your tribal warfare. It is entertaining at the very least.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:41PM
    • And you are not tribal Lewis? Anyway, I'll explain it to you:

      "I refer to the PM's promise to create one million new jobs over the next five years."

      Prime Minister makes specific promise in seeking the votes of the public. Asked about how he will achieve it given that the economy is moving in the opposite direction and a number of job losses are possible. What is wrong with asking the Prime Minister how he intends to implement a promise?

      Apparently, this Prime Minister is only interested in demanding a mandate on some promises. The others can go to hell.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:56PM
    • Nice try but that is not what Shorten said. He asked if the possible job losses now, 3 mos after the election, was not the complete opposite of the PM's promise to create 100K jobs over 5 years. He did not ask how the PM was going to deliver on his promise over 5 years. He asked if the current job losses did not equate to a broken promise.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:59PM
  • When is Joe Hocky going to stop blaming Labor for his own backflips and inadequacies in a job he never should have had. Better yet can someone remind this clown he is the treasurer and responsible for his own hypocrisy and backflips, yes Joe the buck stops with you now Grow Up!!!

    Commenter
    Pieron
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:32PM
    • Pieron - that is all he knows to do - spent the last 6 years in this mindset and will never grow up

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:52PM
  • Alan Joyce stuffed up Qantas.

    I certainly hope Abbott doesn't implement a "poor little Qantas job loss" tax on us! A repeat of the Ansett saga is not going to be good for Australia.

    Commenter
    Sharron
    Location
    Canberra
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:31PM
    • If they increased their customer service instead of blaming the customer when they make mistakes they might get more business. One supervisor who was very much like Mr G marched me off a flight. When it was their computer error !

      Commenter
      Rod
      Location
      the Coast
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:45PM
    • You are quite right and I agree with you!!

      Commenter
      Sharron
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:06PM
  • Rather than having Lieberal staffers provide "stats" for Dorothy Dixers re the Qantas situation the effort should be going towards what the Givt position is re Qantas. And yes - Qantas is a bigger airline business so no surprise that it pays more of any tax.

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:30PM
    • What is Ms Peta doing in the House - feeding the Dixers to the circus clowns ?

      Commenter
      Get on with it Boys
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:54PM
    • The mess in Government now only knows how to do politics. They have no idea about Government.

      When you are in Opposition, politics is fine. In Government, the public will always see through the failure to govern.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:22PM
  • Today's episode of Dolores showing contempt for Parliament.

    Dolores lets Porky Pyne give a two minute speech by way of point of order demanding that a part of Bill Shorten's question be ruled out of order. She then lets Tony Burke respond for 10 seconds before cutting him off (as she has done to EVERY Opposition point of order since she assumed the position).

    Then - and now here is the kicker - she announces that Porky Pyne pre-empted her own observation that the LOTO was out of order. If she had already decided, why did she need to let him go on for ages and never cut him off.

    She is bloodcurdlingly biased. Every day and in every way, she morphs into a caricature of her namesake.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:30PM
    • Another day and another whinge from Whyalla about the speaker. About as predictable as a Labor deficit.

      Yadda, yadda - bias, yadda, yadda - Dolores, yadda, yadda, yadda.

      Yawn. Boring.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:05PM
    • Wow, another government mess supporter trying to silence criticism. Sorry Marvel, but as long as Dolores makes her biased and contemptible rulings I won't be silenced by her acolytes.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:24PM
    • I said.

      Yawn. Boring.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:44PM
    • Why are so keen to defend Dolores given her obvious failings and the damage she is doing to the Speakership? Is she your mother? Because nobody else could want to defend her. The best anyone of your mates could come up with is the patently false claim that Anna Burke was as bad - but even they have fallen silent in the face of her incompetence.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:59PM
    • Well you keep fighting the good fight Whyalla.

      Time to get back to the cricket - oh dear 4 down.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:22PM
    • 4 down? Why that is only have the screw-ups from the incompetent government mess in the last two weeks!

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:46PM
    • It's the number of LNP achievements against promises Whyalla.

      1. Stop the boats - tick
      2. Education funding - tick
      3. Carbob tax repeal - tick
      4. Mining tax repeal - tick

      Getting on with it. Actions not promises.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:08PM
  • If bishop was a Proper speaker and not a Puppet she could declare that the next person to wave a photo, whether of Christine Milne or not, gets sin binned. Simple really. Bit useless to repeat the same warning day after day.

    Commenter
    Rhm
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:24PM
    • Nah, it's funny as. Politicians and politics are otherwise really boring. I want the next photo to be of Tony Abbott holding up a picture of Chris Bowen holding up a picture of Tony Abbott...

      Commenter
      Jennifer
      Location
      Carlton
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:34PM
    • No doubt if she did, she would conveniently forget her warning if the next person came from the Government.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:39PM
    • I want to see the speaker holding a picture of Whyalla holding a picture of Dolores and saying for the 1,000th time how much she looks like Dolores!!

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:50PM
  • I keep hearing the word "mess" repeated endlessly by the Government, like a mantra.

    Which is strange, because the biggest mess around is the Government.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:21PM
    • Like the word "surplus" from the previous government. Say it enough times and people will start to believe it!

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:42PM
    • And your mum wears gumboot,school yard rubbish from a labor genius !!

      Commenter
      justone
      Location
      oz
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:51PM
    • Masked Marvel,

      You do know that Joe ;'close down the government' Hockey has set exactly the same deadline for returning to surplus as Labor, don't you?

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:00PM
    • Tristan,

      Just hope he doesn't declare it before it happens ala Gilalrd Swann. Now wasn't that embarassing.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:03PM
    • Marvel, he will never get to declare it at all. The party of the budget emergency is currently piling ON the debt faster than at the height of the GFC.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:18PM
    • Masked Marvel,

      Actually Joe Hockey was still promising a surplus in his first year of government and every year after that after Swan had withdrawn his surplus promise.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:19PM
    • ALP Surplus:

      Wayne Swan, May 2010:

      We now expect a surplus in three years, three years ahead of schedule.

      Julia Gillard, August 2010:

      The Budget will be back in surplus in 2013 if I’m re-elected.

      Wayne Swan, August 2010 :

      Well, we’re getting back into surplus in three years. Come hell or high water.

      Julia Gillard, August 2010:

      The Budget is coming back to surplus, no ifs no buts it will happen.

      Julia Gillard, November 2010:

      The budget will be back in the black, back in surplus in 2012-13 … as promised.

      Wayne Swan, April 2011 :

      We see the surplus in 12-13 as being absolutely fundamental.

      Julia Gillard, April 2011:

      My commitment to a surplus in 2012-13 was a promise made and it will be honoured.

      Wayne Swan, May 2011:

      We’ll be back in the black by 2012/13, as promised.

      Julia Gillard, May 2011:

      We’ll bring the budget to surplus in 2012-13, exactly as promised.

      Wayne Swan, August 2011:

      I believe we will attain those forecasts, coming back to surplus in 2012/13.

      Wayne Swan, August 2011:

      The government remains absolutely committed to delivering our return to surplus as we planned.

      Wayne Swan, February 2012:

      I am determined to produce a surplus in 2012-2013. We have got our colours nailed to the mast.

      Pathetic really.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:54PM
  • Hokey Joe is confused what he meant was "The problem is the Lieberal Party had no principles in Oppostion and it's got no principles in Govt. It's only good at stabbing itself in the back, and now it's very good at being a hypocrite." Keep it up Joe we know that getting more than 3 words correct in a speech is too much to hope for

    Commenter
    MST
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 2:19PM
  • Quotre Direct from www.lnp.org.au/campaign/the-choice-election-2013/

    "Only the Coalition can be trusted when we say there will be no deals with the Greens, no deals with flaky independents; no deals whatsoever"

    Another Backflip or Blatant Lie?

    Commenter
    Karma
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Neither, they just forgot to delete that little indiscretion off the net. They've been too flat out.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:09PM
    • Clearly a "Non Core" promise - looks like we are back in the Howard Years

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Karma,

      That's gold.

      We can add that to the Liberals litany of lies.

      "JOE HOCKEY: I will never, ever support a people swap where you can send a 13 year old child unaccompanied to a country without supervision, never.

      POLITICIANS: Hear, hear.

      JOE HOCKEY: It will be over my dead body."

      and Tony Abbott

      "I'm dead against paid maternity leave as a compulsory thing."

      "I think that making businesses pay what seems to them two wages to get one worker."

      "Almost nothing could be more calculated to make businesses feel that the odds are stacked against them."

      "So, voluntary paid maternity leave: yes; compulsory paid maternity leave, over this government's dead body,"

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:24PM
    • "JOE HOCKEY: I will never, ever support a people swap where you can send a 13 year old child unaccompanied to a country without supervision, never.
      POLITICIANS: Hear, hear.
      JOE HOCKEY: It will be over my dead body."

      Quite possibly the most sickeningly hypocritical moment of the last Parliament. I heard it live and thought he was about to burst into tears. Of course, the Liberals think the brutal conditions on Manus Island are fine.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:37PM
  • It is obvious that the people who are outraged by Joe Hockey's plan to increase the debt ceiling do not understand the rationale behind it. If the debt limit is reached the government can't pay its bills anymore and it is likely that the government will shut down just like the US government had to in October. If the Commonwealth didn't make such enormous spending commitments (to which the previous parliament (read Gillard/Rudd government) committed itself to), the increase in the debt ceiling would be unnecessary because it would have taken far longer to reach the debt ceiling. In all, I take it that the Queensland MP who said that voters are ignorant has made a pretty good point.

    Commenter
    Not very impressed with ordinary voters
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:48PM
    • Not very impressed with Ordinary Voters - The Libs fostered (even created) this sort of ignorance you complain of and they beneiftted from it in the last election - the fact they are now being mauled by a beast of their own creation is delicious irony.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Well let's see Hockey justify just how much Liberal policies cost - direct action, boats policies, alternative broadband.

      In contravention of the Liberals' own Charter of Budget Honesty, Abbott and Hockey never even had the guts to submit all their policies to the PBO for independent costing.

      Nor did they even publicly release their 200 costings on the PBO website.

      "The Coalition has not submitted its climate change, broadband and asylum seeker policies for independent costing ahead of Thursday's final release of figures before the election."

      "Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey will reveal the Coalition's election costings on Thursday, leaving voters just hours to digest the numbers while also refusing to say when the budget would return to surplus."

      The dolts are indeed in charge.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:08PM
    • Not very impressed, your comment is not very impressive. The only comparison with the US situation is that in both cases it was the conservative nut cases who threatened to tank the economy unless they got their way.

      In the USA it was because they wanted to stop Obamacare. Here, it is because they insisted on a higher ceiling than they needed. In either case, the progressive/left was more than happy to vote for a bill that enabled the debt ceiling to be raised.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:13PM
    • I understand exactly what you're saying and I kind of agree.

      The problem is that with all the bleating about government debt, how bad it is, that we're in a budget emergency, and how Tricky Hockey and the Tricky Liberals were going to turn it around and deliver us a surplus, I just want them to be called out for their dishonesty.

      A big fat "F" for being caught out lying continuously to the public.

      And an acknowledgement that they are economic incompetents.

      Commenter
      Tricky Hockey
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:32PM
    • not very impressed. You are Soooooooo right, just read the labor one eyed hacks on this page is proof enough!!

      Commenter
      shonkybill
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:46PM
  • If there's one thing this new government is giving us, it is less stability and less consistency. They are unpredictable, with all their backflipping, lies and nonsense. No wonder nothing has improved in the economic outlook.

    Commenter
    Jennifer
    Location
    Carlton
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:42PM
    • True, they now want to repeal the poker machine reform - what do they think of next ?

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:01PM
    • Mais51, that repeal of poker machine reform was front and centre in their election campaign, so they have a mandate......

      ......oh, wait......

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:18PM
  • I would be oh so delighted if Abbott carried through his threat to force politicians to sit in parliament through Christmas.

    It would be sweet justice for Abbott to put with the whiny voice of "Porkie" Pyne on Christmas Day, and pay back to Labor for their internal squabbling over the past 6 years.

    In the words of Edna Krabbappel :

    "Have a delightful summer.

    Hah!"

    Commenter
    Tristan
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:40PM
    • TA would be a true christian to have the Parliament working through Christmas for the love of our country. He would set some sort of record for sure, up here even the Opera House is closed for Christmas.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:07PM
    • our local tip (or as they call it these day - recycling center) is closed 2 days of the year - Christmas Day and Good Friday - days which commemorate Christ's birth and death.
      so if our local tip can be closed on these day surely that other center of rubbish, recycling and scavenger birds picking over the rotting junk (lobbyists) - also known as Parliament house can also be closed.

      Commenter
      JW
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:24PM
  • "Ms McNamara installed as the Dobell candidate"

    Looking at the current case in Melbourne, this electorate seems to have all the luck.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Yes - the Lieberal Party are now under investigation by ICAC for funding activity irregularities on the Central Coast. Time for an Independent Member I think

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:49PM
  • What's with these free footy jumpers, is it because there's a QANTAS logo on them and soon to be a collectors item- due to that flying roo, not the players autographs.

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:32PM
  • 'She (Karen McNamara)has pledged to represent the electorate with "integrity"
    The pledge to the electorate was to build the F3 - M2 link. I'm assuming if the government builds it it will be toll free. Filling in paperwork for others to build it and impose a toll will go down as a lie, and all integrity will be lost.

    Commenter
    Nathan
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Hmm - please point out a "Freeway" anywhere in the Sydney area - other than the M1 (that used to have tolls at Berowra). The Govt is in an emergency budget wise - so no $$$$ for that.

      Commenter
      As If
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:32PM
    • Why are we suddenly in a budget emergency again? Didn't you get Hockey's message - no one is to talk about a budget emergency now after the election, otherwise it's going to be too difficult to explain if we blow the budget.

      Commenter
      Tricky Hockey
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:39PM
    • Integrity ? An obvious swipe at the previous Member - but a bit hasty in the usage of that word perhaps ? ICAC is now investigating a NSW State Minister from the Central Coast along with Party staffers, advisors and fundraisers in relation to irregularities in fundraising. Looks like the Lieberals also have "Terrigals"

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:46PM
  • Apparently 2 more boats have arrived at Christmas Island this week. Not my definition of "stoppped"

    Commenter
    Really ?
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 12:56PM
    • The new relationship with Indonesia seems to be working well - probably willl hit a new low with Death Stare Bishop the Younger currently visiting as part of her Asian junket.

      Commenter
      Yep
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:09PM
    • Have refugees stopped arriving in Indonesia? Have they stopped fleeing place like Syria or Iraq? Have any other countries increased their intake?

      Unless any (more probably all) of those things have happenned the boats aren't going to stop and at some point when Manus Island & Nauru are full and other countries refuse to take the refugee's from their the boats will start to flow thick and fast again.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:10PM
    • They haven't arrived unless and until the former people smuggler shipping news broadcaster, Scott Morrison, tells us.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:26PM
    • Another lib election lie is being uncovered despite Morrison trying to hide the facts. The diplomacy debacle with Indonsia it seems is getting worse with the flow on impacts. Keeping with the diplomacy issue how is Australia going to censure China for the alleged CSIRO industrial espionage spying if proved when the Libs orderd the exact same thing against East Timor under the Howard government? That lib policy has now taken any oral authority we had and chucked it out the window. Hard to complain when you have been doing the same thing yourself. At least the Indonesian spying was security related while the Timor one was just commercial and would get the arrested if in the business world. .

      Commenter
      Lance
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:46PM
  • so Karen McNamara has pledged to represent the electorate with "integrity". That means she must have left the LNP and become a independent as the words integrity and Liberal are polar opposites with the way this government is going.

    Commenter
    Lance
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Well - we will see - apparently the Liberal Terrigals are in trouble now - another O'Farrell Minister from the Central Coast has resigned over possible irregularities in fundraising.

      Commenter
      Yep
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:11PM
  • Qantas in trouble - what are the Govt plans in relation to the national airline ?

    Commenter
    Policies Please
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 12:10PM
    • a) Give it lots and lots of money
      b) Fly all around the world on junkets
      c) Act like kangaroos when in public
      d) give it enormous amounts of money
      e) pay it not to fly planes but to make commercials
      f) keep on going with the money

      After all, Qantas is best mates with the NLP - they own half of it.

      Commenter
      Axis
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:35PM
    • They shouldn't do anything. It is a publicly listed company operating in a capital market. Either it finds a way to turn its financial psoition around or it perishes.

      Industry has got to stop looking to the givernment for a handout everytime things get difficult.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Whatever Gina, Rupert and Gina want.

      Commenter
      Napoleon
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:01PM
    • MM - I tend to agree, but I think the response by Axis to my question is more likely to be the "policy platform" that emerges - ie the big end of town being looked after by the pals that elected them

      Commenter
      Policies Please
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:06PM
    • They have a choice.

      1) Repeal the Qantas Sales Act, allowing more foreign investment which is needed to save the airline.

      2) Re-acquire the airline and stop expecting it to compete in the free market, instead have it government subsidised. Heavily expand international flights from places like Perth and Adelaide and more flights into Asia, especially China.

      Frankly I don't mind either option, although my preference is for 1).

      What they can not do is keep expecting them to compete in a free market whilst restricting what they can and can't do compared to Virgin.

      Commenter
      Ben
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:07PM
    • As a Qantas shareholder, I've been voting against the remuneration report at every AGM, and now I've started voting against the re-election of Alan Joyce.

      It's a travesty that Qantas last paid a dividend 5 years ago - Dec 2008, has sent thousands of jobs offshore yet Alan Joyce is rewarded with bonuses and increases to his remuneration.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:44PM
    • Flying Qantas instead of VIP Military planes is a good start.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:46PM
    • "what are the Govt plans in relation to the national airline ?"

      I would hope to make sure the Future Fund has no investments in Qantas shares.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:52PM
    • On our last round the world holiday we flew Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss and Qantas and I reckon Qantas was the best of the lots and that including the much lauded Singaporean Airlines - good services, good seating and best of all felt right at home !

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:55PM
    • Mais51 - what a great idea - will help Qantas and reduce unnecessary Defence spending - a Win/Win

      Commenter
      Great Idea
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:56PM
    • Whats the bet they blame the Carbon Tax, it seems to be the standard response for the amateurs.

      Commenter
      Pieron
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:51PM
  • Government debt borrowings must be spent wisely and it has not been spent wisely. Labor took $300 billion and wasted most of it, while ruling over an employment market that became a basket case. The November Roy Morgan Poll concludes:

    “In October in total an estimated 2.410 million Australians (19.3% of the workforce) were unemployed or under-employed. This is up 1%, or 124,000 from September, and much higher than 12 months ago in October 2012 (up 272,000, 1.5% from 2.138 million).”

    Clearly when employment is such a shambles government debt cannot be addressed in any meaningful way and that was and remains the problem for Labor and the Coalition. This country needs a manufacturing base that can supply the needs of Australians going into the future and that means hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and not internal combustion engines. It means shedding ourselves of fossil fuel dependency and utilising green energy manufacturing systems, which will create millions of jobs and multiple new skills and apprenticeships in addition to many professional careers in engineering.

    A meaningful carbon price or its equivalent can provide the means that would allow this to happen.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 12:05PM
    • I agree, I reckon government debt should be spent wisely too. It's a pity Hockey never admitted he was going to try to blow a further $200 billion dollars after the election, and not even give us any information as to why he needed so much money?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:24PM
    • Pen,
      The reason you and me still sitting here commenting on the current Australian political landscape because of that $300 billion dollars debt - so don't knock it. The world would be vastly different if the ALP did not borrow that money. I know for a fact that $300 billion has kept the economy ticking along nicely and kept people and companies in jobs. If they ever wasted it then they only wasted on you and me to keep us in the jobs. Not for someone to go to India for a wedding or competed in a bicycle race.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:24PM
    • helloooo, you in the dark ... they wasted a lot of it on me. Hospitals, schools, aged care, the environment, ya know, all that communisto plotto stuff that you ranters like to fantasize about late at night-o

      Commenter
      Axis
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:39PM
    • Tom, are you still in sool? The debt is rising because of the spending commitments made by labor. Hockey had nothing to do with it. I know that suits your nasty progressive hate-filled narrative but t bears no resemblance to the truth.

      Commenter
      pragmatic prince
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:45PM
    • Unfortunately Pen none of that is going to happen with this lot in. I mean Abbott has stated he doesn't believe in the Fed investing in rail even! Incredibly backward thinking. Sadly it's down the road of fossil fuels for the next 3 yrs.

      Commenter
      Mark C
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:49PM
    • Who is in charge Pragmatic Prince? Is Labor in charge? The way the Liberals talk about adding debt, you'd think Labor was still in charge, wouldn't you.

      But no, the Liberals are in charge and they are using their trickery to full advantage. Any debt over the $300 billion dollars is on their watch, no one elses.

      They promised us a surplus. Are they now reneging on that? Is that a non-core promise, or just a bold faced lie to get into power?

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:30PM
    • Tom, are you for real? Do you understand anything about government other than Labor good Liberal bad. y god progressives are stupid. Spending that is already promised cannot be withdrawn When we have some Coalition spending commitments rolling thru the books they can take responsibility but like most on the left responsibility is only for conservatives

      Commenter
      pragmatic prince
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:05PM
    • Pragmatic Prince: "Spending that is already promised cannot be withdrawn"

      What a load of BS.

      The Liberals outrageous lies aside, your own beloved party wanted to cancel Gonski because it has the power to do so even though they made an ironclad promise.

      They only backflipped because of the intense pressure over the ambiguity of their promise. At least now we know they want to screw us.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:14PM
  • Australia is batting & is already 0/34 after 8 overs in a flatish Adelaide pitch. Go the Aussies!

    Commenter
    Lewis
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 11:45AM
  • LOST PUP
    Answers to the name
    "Budget emergency"
    Reward offered
    $200billion
    Call Joe or Tony

    Commenter
    Wanna buy a pup
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 11:36AM
  • Looking forward t seeing more decisions made by Barnaby Joyce's National,/Liberal/Green Alliance government

    Commenter
    Ken of Brisbane
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 11:29AM
    • Lewis,

      Scrapping the parental leave scheme would mean Abbott broke another election promise and so called "leader's call" (ie; didn't consult anyone in cabinet) "signature policy"..

      Abbott can't afford another backflip after Gonski.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:06PM
    • How did we end up here?? If Abbott scraps everything else I mentioned he would be gone anyway. But the budget would be repaired. :)

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:17PM
  • Before election Tricky Hockey told us that there was a budget emergency. He told us that debt was evil, and that only he could return Australia to a surplus.

    Now that they have been elected, they no longer claim there is a budget emergency and, in fact, are intending to increase the debt by a further $200 billion dollars.

    Tricky Hockey is the $500 billion dollar man.

    Then they go running to the Greens for economic help.

    Talk about economically incompetent.

    Commenter
    Tricky Hockey
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 11:17AM
    • Huh??!? The need to increase the debt is precisely because of the budget emergency. If there was no budget emergency then the debt already racked up would be reducing not increasing.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:26AM
    • So Lewis, it's ok for them to blow billions of dollars and have no real justification for doing so? Oh, I get it - it's OK if it's the Liberal Party.

      There's no way they need an extra $200 billion dollars for this. So what's the extra money for?

      They said they'd get the budget back into surplus. Is it ok for them to be tricky with this wording now too?

      They're a tricky bunch, these Liberals.

      Commenter
      Tricky Hockey
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:38AM
    • I think the point is the budget emergency was supposed to lead to cuting spending, not just increasing debt!

      As Abbott said "If debt is the problem, more debt isn't the solution"

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:39AM
    • the debt isalready over $400 billion thanks to labor. so where is the $200 billion increase you speak of???

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:41AM
    • timesup, the current debt ceiling is $300 billion dollars. So where did you get the $400 billion debt from, as it is currently impossible? Oh, I see, now you're just making things up. Sounds like Tricky Liberals to me.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:10PM
    • Hardly a day goes by without some crazy thing is happening or some promise being broken in Canberra. The adults are surely in charge.

      Wonder what is next pre-election promise to be broken by the current government- May be we just have to wait till tomorrow.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:15PM
    • timesup
      Get you facts right. $300billion is the current debt level. Treasury has said it would peak around $370 billion and have advised a buffer of $40-60billion. If Hockey had not given $9billion to the Reserve bank (which they did not ask for) it would be less and we would not be paying interest on.

      Commenter
      The jig is up
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:16PM
    • I know the L/NP and their idealogues have difficulty with numbers, but you really should know better than to claim the debt is over $400b timesup - it is not even over $300b (which is the current debt ceiling). The $200b is on TOP OF the exisitng ceiling.

      It also doesn't help when Hockey throws $9b at the reserve bank when totaslly unenecassary (further shown up by the falling dollar, meaning higher value of OS investments by the Reserve).

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:17PM
    • Tom.

      I believe the reference should be to projected debt. Committed spend will take the debt level to $370 billion - this is spend already committed to by the previous and current government. The recommendation is that the government have around $60 - $70 billion headroom to ensure financial markets do not get spooked.

      Not an issue now that the debt deiling has been removed.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:35PM
    • $300 billion is the current debt level until next week. "Treasury has said it would peak around $370 billion and have advised a buffer of $40-60 billion and this equals $430 billion debt!!!" i was being generous at $400 billion. Hockey gave $9 billion to the Reserve bank to return what labor had ripped out to cover there wasteful spending!!

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:54PM
    • Tricky, no it’s never ok for anyone to blow $$$BBB of public money & I don’t for the life of me see how you could have taken that from my post???!?

      Macca, we are in a budget emergency & I have no more faith in the current muppets fixing it than I did the previous wood ducks in creating a lot of it.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:05PM
    • Lewis - That is pretty much my point, these blokes promised to fix the "debt crisis", don't have the wear with all to do it and the uninformed voter who only knows "debt is bad" will turn from them pretty quick as they really only wanted the other ones out, not these ones in.

      Unfortunately they won't get them out until they have undone a lot of good work.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:31PM
    • So what timesup and Lewis, Hockey said he could turn the debt around and that we would get back to a surplus. Why is he going to need an extra $200 billion dollars to do that? Your arguments just sounds like BS to me.

      Commenter
      Tom
      Location
      Canberra
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Using projections is nonsense. It assumes that the current government are unable to make changes that will turn things around.

      Are the current government so useless that they can't turn things around?

      Either way, they look economically incompetent to me.

      Commenter
      Tricky Hockey
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:37PM
    • The Greens were dudded.

      We are still waiting for Hockey to itemise why he needs an extra $200 billion in only 3 months.

      Hockey can start with where's he slashing $1.2 billion from for his free handout to the holdout states of WA, NT and Qld (all Liberal governments of course).

      We know about Hockey's "windfall benefits" (Hockey's own words) in still giving out compensation but abolishing the carbon tax.

      Then there's the $5.5 billion p.a doled out to "women of calibre".

      There's the FBT cars loophole Abbott is retaining.

      Reinstatement of uncapped, non-means tested private health insurance subsidies for services including massages, sexual services and cosmetic surgery.

      There's Morrison's buy back (1 million) boats policy and paying Indonesians to spy costs, which were never submitted to the PBO for independent costing.

      There's Greg Hunt's direct action plan with its $4 billion to $15 billion blackhole in its costings.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Tricky, the government can repair the budget fairly quickly. It needs to dump Gonski & the NDIS completely. It needs to cancel all industry assistance schemes & allowances. Then they can get rid of Family Tax Benefits B, Baby Bonus, & all supplementary Centrelink payments. It could means test the health fund rebate. Heck, why stop there? It could also means test Medicare itself & public education. It could charge full tax on super. Cancel the F-35, AW Destroyer & submarine procurement programs. After they’ve done all that they can then quietly go back to the opposition benches in 2016.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:12PM
    • Oh, one more... it can scrap all paid parental leave alltogether.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:27PM
  • An inviatation to the Wrong Direction party is a reward for bad behaviour. Been a really naughty boy - you have to listen to Christoper Pyne all night. Only sinned a few times - you are allowed to drop in for just one drink.

    Commenter
    Yeah Right
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 11:14AM
  • Always amuses me that the ALP fan club are critical of "bogans", yet they rely on these very hard working people for their union dues and ultimately their vote.

    Commenter
    beasleyst
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:56AM
    • Logic problem here- the true 'bogan' is not very likely to be in a union (and even less likely to vote Labor). Union membership is declining, with better educated semi-professionals more likely to be union members than unskilled people.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:10AM
    • I think you'll find that the Bogans are the John Howard Aspirationals who sold themselves to get the highest Middle Class Welfare handouts going around. And they are lining up for big PPL payments as well

      Commenter
      Yeah Right
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:12AM
    • "According to anecdote, the term emerged in Melbourne's outer-Western and outer-Eastern suburbs in the late 1970s and early 1980s[citation needed]. The equivalent term in Queensland was Bevan and in NSW they were known as Westies (hailing from the western suburbs) however Bogan is now more commonly used Australia-wide." Wiki
      These are typically Labor heartlands!

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:41PM
    • Not any more - the did a backflip twist in the early 1990's after Little Johnny became PM

      Commenter
      Yep
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:15PM
  • How refreshing to see two politicians from opposite ends of the political spectrum treasting each other with respect, and even trying to find some common ground. Well done, Andrew Broad and Larissa Waters.

    Commenter
    Lewis Winders
    Location
    Tasmania
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:51AM
    • i enjoy Tim Lester's 'breaking politics' and Waters and Broad bounce off each other.
      More common ground in The Nats and Greens than people care to imagine. Also some very uncommon ground, but Food Security and other land issues are paramount to both- when they agree it's a good thing. Broad also acknowledges the positive effects in rural/regional of our refugee communities in averting job vacancies. Mallee has many positive stories in it's small towns due to refugees relocating, working hard, contributing and the assimilation between once very white communities and new cultures. They are very grateful for being given a safe and "new life".

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:31AM
  • Trillion Dollar Tonys knees must be red raw and bleeding after crawling to the Greens for help.

    Commenter
    Steeden
    Location
    Ballina
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:45AM
    • He could always write a nice grovelling letter to Santa, telling him what a good boy he's been (spluttt) and request some velcro knee pads, rather than a new bike for Xmas.
      He's going to need them. In fact he should say he's been really, really good and ask for two pairs.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Steededn
      After crawling to SBY and crawling to SriLanka and crawling to the Nats over Grain Corp, I'm sure his knees have hardened up.
      And given the precedents he has set, I don't think he will be off his knees any time soon.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:32PM
  • Another Poem (with apologies to Helen Reddy)

    I am bogan hear me roar,
    With votes too many to ignore,
    Let's keep out those nasty refugees;
    In a world of known unknowns
    I get my facts from Alan Jones,
    And I hate those lefties on the ABC.

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:43AM
    • should be an apology to all australians

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:43AM
  • Labor introduced the debt "ceiling" and gave it as much credibility as Wayne Swans promised Surpluses.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:42AM
    • Spot on.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:52AM
    • no debt ceiling in Australian history until 2008. Brought in by Rudd, therfore bound to be a crap idea!!

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:44AM
  • Given the contempt that Morrison has shown to the Senate do the Greens actually think that Hockey is going to adequately explain the increasing debt.

    Commenter
    Wise One
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:41AM
    • It doesn't really matter much to the voters if politicians lie to each other.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:01AM
  • The new MP for the Mallee is a "prime land producer" - really - a "primary producer" maybe - but I doubt that he is generating "land" . . . . . anything for a sound bite it would seem - but it's not a slogan at least

    Commenter
    Ho Hum
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:29AM
    • Common sense would assume that it is a typo and he is a "prime lamb producer".
      As an expert on everything Ho Hum I thought you would have at least a basic grasp of agriculture.

      Commenter
      Z
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:15AM
    • So all the dubious utterings from the circus can be put down to typos - I guess that expalins it

      Commenter
      Really ?
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:26AM
  • What's the wage cap on calling someone a bogan? Surely when you're earning above a certain amount you go from bogan to something else - yuppie?

    Either way, Clive needs to lose a few billion before he can call himself one.

    Commenter
    Shane
    Location
    Marrickville
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:25AM
    • They are CUBs, or cashed up bogans.

      From Wiktionary: "A person who is, or is perceived to be, unsophisticated or of a lower class background but achieving a high salary, who spends money on flashy or trashy items to fulfil their aspirations of higher social status. The stereotype includes having speech and mannerisms that are considered to denote poor education and uncultured upbringing, which is reflected in their bad taste possessions and lifestyles."

      Commenter
      Tone
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:25AM
    • "What's the wage cap on calling someone a bogan? Surely when you're earning above a certain amount you go from bogan to something else - yuppie?"

      No, they just graduate to becoming upper middle bogans.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:44PM
  • A Poem

    Me oh my oh dearie me,
    We're as happy as can be!
    NO MORE CEILINGS - that's the slogan,
    Thank the Lord we're just Bogans!

    The End

    Commenter
    Jim
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:20AM
  • According to actual research that's OK: we all have a little bogan in us sometimes.

    Indeed, and it was that little bogan that Abbott and co so desperately pitched their lies and misrepresentations before the last election.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:17AM
  • Douglas is right, just look at which oligarch is in power? Can anyone spot the difference in oligarch lies.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:14AM
  • I said last week that Milne would assist the Coalition oligarchy on the debt ceiling issue for a quid quo pro and she has. She understood that the debt ceiling is nonsensical for any political party to argue, in effect it is voluntary constraint imposed by government on itself, therefore totally unnecessary as governments manufacture debt to suit circumstances.

    Milne has got Hockey to state what climate change will cost the budget, why: she knows that Abbott’s $550 per household and savings on gas and power are lies. She knows that the carbon price is not responsible for the doubling of power bills as Abbott would have us believe. She knows that Direct Action is a complete waste of money.

    Milne is proving to be better politician than both Abbott and Shorten. Because she understands that the only way fight climate change is to reduce fossil fuel production and not expand it like the two oligarchies do.

    Commenter
    Pen of hrba
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:10AM
    • I hope you are right about the deal/agreement. The only value of a debt ceiling is to have some responsibility for accounting for financial management but, in the end no government can spend more than what Parliament has allowed it to. And if it has to borrow to meet those legal spending requirements, so be it.

      I am just hoping that the Liberals do not make a mockery of the agreement, by using the occasion to yabber on about Labor mess rather than actually explaining how and why the borrowings increased.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:40AM
    • Yep.

      Commenter
      Lewis Winders
      Location
      Tasmania
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:42AM
    • A proactive part of this deal is CC will be kept on the political and fiscal radar, undoubtably more than the govt would wish or has foreseen. A clever bit of horse trading on the face of it.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:19AM
    • One thing this government has shown is that they will readily break agreements. I will believe that they will keep their word when I see it. They will take the money and immediateky welch on everything the Greens got out of them.

      Commenter
      wally100
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:26PM
  • I hate to say it but the PUP MP has an inelegant point, Australians have been dumbed down politically to a point wher they want to pay tno tax, have world class services, have the budget always in surplus andget plenty of middle class welfare to help with cost of living expenses while they buy 4 flat screens and every kid has an ipad!

    An example of this was the recent survey where 80% of respondents wanted action on climate change but 1/3 of that 80% opposed an ETS, a Carbon tax and Direct action!!

    Unfortunately for this govt they explited this stupidity in oppostion and now have to deal with the reality that everything they promised is diametrically opposed.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:07AM
    • May I offer a possible explanation, Macca. That 1/3 of the 80% define action on climate change as a mitigation on the impacts of CC and not a quixotic attempt to stop it with a tax on CO2 emissions.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:48AM
    • Lewis - I think you are being far too generous - the question was taking action to prevent climate change not how do you want to deal with it when it happens.
      And even if you are correct on that how do you explain the hatred of debt and deficits but the squealing about the slightest attempt to raise a tax or cut welfare to the well off?

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:01AM
    • I am not as certain as you that the general populace would squeel at dramatic reductions of middle class and/or corporate welfare. I think all that loud squeeling you hear from time to time are from the vested interest. For example, when Gillard/Swan watered down the baby bonus all the beat ups & feigned outrage came from the usual suspects. It wasn't an issue with the "bogans". Same with suggestions that we cut welfare to car industry or mining industry.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:16AM
    • Hace a look at what happened under the last govt, even the most minor attempts to reign in spending by means testing the private helath rebate, cutting the FBT M/V rort, taxing high income super fund in pension phase, tightening the means test on FTB and yes putting a price on carbon (which was more than fully compensated for) were met with outrage in the News Ltd rags and therefore the great unwashed.
      Hence we have a situation where this new govt despite claiming to be going to drive down debt in fact are increasing the PPL to ridiculous levels, removing the mining and carbon taxes (but keeping the compensation) winding back all the means testing scrapping the super tax and various other terrible ideas.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:48AM
    • Hi Macca
      Don't forget the outrage from Abbott over the private health care rebate came about because the Ramsey health care boss slipped the Liberal party $500,000.
      The Libs looking after big business again.

      Commenter
      Mark C
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:01PM
    • Macca, I just didn't read much outrage from the "great unwashed" as you call them on the claw backs on middle class welfare. The carbon tax was different. There was indeed much outrage from that. Also, to a much lesser extent, the raid on FBT reporting on cars. FYI, I was in Westmead Public Hospital yesterday & saw a largish glass enclosed office with 3 staff & a sign saying "Salary Packaging". I think there are now too many average income earners who rely on it.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:21PM
    • Lewis - You mustn't read the Herald Sun!

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:33PM
  • Both Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd ruled out forming minority government with Greens before the election, that's the "deal" thing that was mentioned.

    Now, if Christine Milne just accepts Direct Action, we're on the right track to economic and climate sense. I'm sure she's quite taken with Tony Abbott, if the truth be known!

    Commenter
    christielle
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 10:04AM
    • Christiel, perhaps you could explain what how an unspecified and unstructured promise to pour billions of taxpayers money into the big polluters as a bribe to pollute less is going to put us on the 'right track' to economic OR climate sense.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:11AM
    • Ahh - a :Lieberal with a selective memory - I guess short sound bites caputure attention and regurgitation but anything more detailed is outside the boundaries

      Commenter
      Yep
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:12AM
    • Milne has not accepted Direct Action and she never will. Where did you get that absurdity from?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:17AM
    • So what you're saying is:

      1. Debt is good.
      2. Direct Action will work.
      3. Tony's a hunk.

      Number one sort of contradicts the pre-election rhetoric, doesn't it?
      And as for numbers two and three- well, I'm still laughing.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:21AM
    • You had better explain how Direct Action that cannot reach our 5% reduction target of 16 million tonnes of emissions will abate our 407.6 million tonne coal production this year that produces 1.165 billion tonnes of Co2.

      So much for Direct Action? You do understand that soil leaches C02 do you?

      You do understand that trees require 30 years of growth before they capture carbon in any appreciable quantity do you?

      You do understand that absorbing 1.165 billion tonnes of CO2 divided by 440 tonnes per hectare equates to almost 3 million additional hectares of forest.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:25AM
    • Another Poem (with apologies to Helen Reddy)

      I am bogan hear me roar,
      In votes too many to ignore,
      Let's keep out those nasty refugees;
      In a world of known unknowns
      I get my facts from Alan Jones,
      And I hate those lefties on the ABC.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:29AM
    • "Milne has not accepted Direct Action and she never will. Where did you get that absurdity from?"

      Pen,
      Because I believe in the best in people and they will see good sense and work cooperatively. Also, how could she not like planting more trees? She is a greenie.

      Commenter
      christielle
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:32AM
    • christielle, i'm presuming you've read the extensive policy that DA is- NOT. Decided to have another look yesterday. it's one page of fluff. Of course The Greens support revegetation and protection of our environment but it is no saviour in averting CC. Best you continue with your star struck, love struck slant and leave CC mitigation to those in the know and it sure as hell isn't this Govt or 'Justin Abbott'.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:52AM
    • "I believe in the best in people and they will see good sense and work cooperatively."

      After watching Abbott and his team in operation for the last 4 years taking the immoral and indecent option every time he could wring a vote out of it, any belief I ever had in the best of people, especially if they are conservative politicians, is gone.

      When Abbott refused to do the right thing if it involved co-operating with the Government, why should Labor and the Greens do the WRONG thing just to be nice to Abbott?

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:24PM
  • Labor's hypocrisy "knows no bounds," he told reporters at the House of Reps doors this morning.

    In politics, nobody's hypocrisy has any bounds, including the Greens. Adam should get real and explain how they will make sure that the Government actually will keep its side of the deal.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:58AM
  • "The debate about debt is raging. Is it cool for the Greens to see other parties? The Coalition says "of course it is" as Labor carries on like a disgruntled ex."

    It's like your wife is constantly bagging out your brother and demanding you have nothing to do with him because he is a loony, foul-mouthed bogan.

    Then, one day, you turn around and find they have run off together.

    Commenter
    Whyalla Wipeout
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:56AM
    • But just for a one night stand, to satisfy a need. Whether the govt keeps their word is yet to be seen, hell hath no fury than a woman scorned.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:09AM
  • The Debt Ceiling deal is interesting. In itself it's a good move. The whole debt monster was nothing but a mirage whipped up for political purposes, and the debt ceiling was Labor's pathetic attempt to be seen as anti-debt.

    Debt in itself is not a problem, so long as what the debt is spent on actually improves Australia's productivity or creates significant numbers of jobs. Removing the artifical ceiling makes sense. I hope the current government spends the money it needs to make the nation work, and not stick to some unrealistic aim to get back to surplus when the world economy is as it is and the mining boom is starting to unboom.

    This is one promise that I think they should break.

    Commenter
    Gigondas
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Well certainly nobody would notice one more broken promise.

      You are right about the debt ceiling and the budget surplus. The former is an arbitrary construct, the latter a nice-to-have when circumstances permit, and at present they don'tt.

      Commenter
      Lewis Winders
      Location
      Tasmania
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:10AM
  • I'm glad the Opposition is just sitting quietly and not being relentlessly negative, as they used to accuse their predecessors of being. No frivolous points of order, listening quietly to answers, completely respecting the Speaker.

    Commenter
    David Morrison
    Location
    Blue Mountains
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:47AM
    • What - in other words be the polar opposite of Attack Dog Abbott and co . . . Why ? The Lieberals have set the bench mark for how to transition to Govt . . .

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:02AM
    • This is the most contemptuous Speaker in 60 years. Yesterday, there was a question about the funding of a specific school in NSW and Porky Pyne spent the whole question time addressing the general school funding of WA, Qld and the NT. And Dolores thought this was relevant.

      You might think this is good, but the House will blow up in the new year if she keeps this up. Oh, and her performance in terms of knowledge is woeful.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:06AM
    • A very smart move by ALP. Just let the LNP idiots make fools of themselves day by day. They are a joke and will crumble very soon.

      Commenter
      FNQ
      Location
      Cairns
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:20AM
  • This is the first time I have heard anything sensible from The Greens Adam Brandt.

    Commenter
    notlad
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:46AM
    • I'm still waiting

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:05AM
  • Not only have we had a change in Government recently, but our national sporting teams are once again performing.
    Cricket
    Rugby
    League
    Hockey
    Netball

    Coincidence?

    Commenter
    Let's Get Real
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:43AM
    • LGR,
      You are right.
      Nothing brings this nation "together" more than success on the sporting field. John Howard knew it, Bob Hawke knew it. They were always at sporting events.
      Keating, Rudd & Gillard had no idea. I'll be interested to see if Abbott starts turning up at some of these events.

      Commenter
      beasleyst
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:53AM
    • Of course he will, and cliam Entitlements to boot

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Well, under this government, that would have to be the ALP's fault.

      Commenter
      Needless
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:04AM
    • confidence in a grown up govt is obviously permeating through all our sporting teams. we are moving forward at last after 6 years of disastrous Labour Govt

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:46AM
    • Add to that the retail figures are the best for 5 years and business confidence is also at a 5 year high. There has got to be something to it but you will not see it in the Abbott hating Fairfax or the ABC.

      Commenter
      pragmatic prince
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:16PM
    • Pragmatic Prince,

      I've been keeping score.

      Abbott's election promise was to create 250,000 Victorian jobs
      1 million jobs in 5 years and
      2 million jobs in 10 years

      Mind you, Abbott's the biggest cheat because Abbott counts his work for the dole planting jobs in those jobs figures, and deadend, hourly paid, casual jobs when full time workers are replaced.

      So far I've counted 3,520 job losses since Abbott won the election.

      2,120 jobs lost at BP, Qantas, Red Cross, Rio Tinto and Westrac plus

      1,400 jobs + in the government sector at the CSIRO, the Department of Climate Change and the Clean Energy Authority.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:18PM
    • Tristan,

      You are clearly an Arts graduate, or maybe still studying. But credit where credit is due, you have one hell of a scrap book.
      Why is it you only ever comment on these forums after 1:00pm?

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Let's Get Real,

      You must be in marketing, recruitment, a lobbyist, advertising or public relations.

      You excel at spin.

      "you have one hell of a scrap book."

      Hey thank the Liberals.

      They provide all the material.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 4:04PM
  • Didn't the LNP prior to the election categorically commit to not doing deals ever with the Greens.?

    Commenter
    Seriously
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:36AM
    • Yes they did. They lied..

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:47AM
    • This is an agreement, not a deal.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:48AM
    • Would you rather the country come to a stand-still? That is exactly what was going to happen because of Labor playing "Tea Party" politics. The existing debt "ceiling" would have been breached in the next month, and Labor knew it!

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:49AM
    • Let's Get Real,
      Now there is no debt ceiling.

      Will you feel comfortable if the debt level now increases significantly?

      Commenter
      Bendou
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:03AM
    • Smells like a deal to me - the Greens had their shopping list and Toned and Hoeky Joe had to buy everything on it - the haggling sure says deal

      Commenter
      MST
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:06AM
    • "This is an agreement, not a deal."

      David, you must use a special dictionary made available to only to one-eyed right wing defenders of the indefensible.

      For the rest of us there is no difference whatsoever between the meaning of a deal and the meaning of an agreement.

      If you did not have such a record of one-eyed support I would have thought you were being sarcastic.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:09AM
    • I would rather they honoured their commitments.

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:10AM
    • Bendou,

      The "ceiling" was a furphy. Labor increased the ceiling every few months. Why bother with a "ceiling" if it's made of wet paper?

      I will not be happy to see the debt rise & rise, and I would expect the opposition (including The Greens) to be rigorous in their holding the government to account over debt. BUT, all we have seen to date is Labor playing politics. They had already forecast the debt would go through the "ceiling" and when asked to increase it, they said no.

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:15AM
    • LGR, this is nothing like what happened in the USA with the tea party.

      There, the tea party congress members held the debt ceiling to ransom to achieve unrelated policy objectives of their own.

      Here, it was Hockey himself holding the debt ceiling to ransom because he wanted much more than he needed.

      Both labor and the Greens always made it clear that they were ready and willing to support raising the ceiling immediately to avoid any question of default. It was Hockey who was insisting, teal party like, that it would be done on his terms or not at all.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:16AM
    • He did, this is just another broken promise. The LNP will tart themselves around to get support for their so called policies from any polly that they think they can use. It's LNP DNA borne to rule..

      Commenter
      Wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:20AM
    • It's not difficult. Don't make commitments that you aren't prepared to honour.

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:24AM
    • Lets get real
      Suggest you get your facts right, Australia isn't the USA the Government would not have shut down it was scare tactics by a government that has no fiscal policy. It worked now watch the bungling continue.

      Commenter
      Wise One
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:27AM
    • I think they meant preference deals or power sharing deals if it became a hung parliament situation.
      However Labor have already picked up on the LNP's reference to the Greens as "fringe-dwellers" .
      Their deal reeks of hypocrisy but, given what we have seen in the last 100 days, I'm not surprised by this.
      I suspect that if the budget ceiling is successfully repealed, the LNP-Greens marriage will quickly end in tears the first day Hockey stands up to justify a debt-increase.

      Commenter
      stevek
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:31AM
    • Wipeout,

      Labor's own forecast stated the debt would rise to $430b. Hockey sought a lift to $500b. Labor offered $400b. Why do you think Labor offered that amount, knowing that Hockey would then have to return to ask for more?

      The "politics" backfired on the ALP this time Wipeout

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:35AM
    • There is no such thing as a one party agreement. An agreement requires more than one party to agree. It was a clear election COMMITTMENT.

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:39AM
    • Yes, but that was said before the election and it was not in writing.

      Commenter
      Peter A
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:47AM
    • What's one more lie/ broken promise to this mob of dishonest rabble.

      Commenter
      Liar Lition
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:02AM
    • you have to deals with the devil when Shonky shorten has the iq of a gnat and is putting labor before the country yet again!!!

      Commenter
      timesup
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:40AM
    • Liars! Election now!

      Commenter
      DB
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:30PM
    • That was before their govt went belly up and they discovered what fun it was to lie

      Commenter
      Axis
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:36PM
    • Timesup. Could you please explain how this breaking of a commitment is not Shonky. Does this mean the LNP don't intend to honour the commitments they make? I'm not OK with this sort of deception?

      Commenter
      Seriously
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:53PM
    • Was it written down?

      Was that only what the public thought was promised, but not what the L/NP thought they promised?

      Will the L/NP actually bother to look up the definitions of promise, lie etc. and work out what those words really mean?

      Or is it all the fault of the ABC/Fairfax who are just beating everything up?

      Commenter
      Dave
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:57PM
    • ha ha ha backflip after backflip after backflip after backflip after backflip .......

      dizzy yet ? no just cheesed off.

      Commenter
      havasay
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:14PM
    • "Sarcastic" is such a strong word.

      Commenter
      David Morrison
      Location
      Blue Mountains
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:10PM
    • Let's Get Real
      The country would have only come to a standstill if Hockey refused the Labor offer of a $400bn ceiling.
      But Hockey wants freedom to spend, spend, spend.
      No "budget emergency" now!!

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Let's Get Real.

      "Based on the latest Treasury numbers published in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Outlook (PEFO), the $400bn limit passed by the Senate would not be approached until 2015-16"

      But Hockey wants half a trillion before Xmas now.

      Let's see Hockey's costings.

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:23PM
  • As Tony Windsor said " Abbott will do anything for power except sell his arse" Well I think he just sold his arse to the greens

    Commenter
    Rusty
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:36AM
    • Poor Greens - they got the arse end of that deal

      Commenter
      Ho Hum
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:24AM
    • How much more of this will we see until July - not just his arse - but selling his soul as well . . .

      Commenter
      Yep
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:47AM
    • rusty, at first I was sceptical of the 'deal' but yep The Greens and us have had a win. Abbott has indeed sold his arse. Never, ever going to deal with The Greens. Another lie.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:06AM
    • Yeah - He got the concept from Gillard selling her "no carbon tax" promise out for power. Don't know what this translates into as far as parts of the body sold - was it heart,brains or Arse that she sold - probably the last - you need to possess the first two in order to sell them...

      Commenter
      Jak O' The Shadows
      Location
      Shadowland
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 1:24PM
  • This talk about the so called debt is not a serious debate about the state of our economy, it is purely political. Hockey is doing everything he can to hide the fact that his sickening rant during the last Labor government about debt had nothing to do with truth or reality, IT WAS SIMPLY POLITICS. To prove my point, remember he and all his colleagues never mentioned the percentage of debt (which was never a worry) they carried on at length about huge figures. Of course they were huge figures, we have a large economy. So it was POLITICAL AND NOTHING BUT TRICKERY!
    And now he is dreadfully worried, that the truth is going to show the nations how these tricksters managed to fool them into throwing away brilliant progress in our national agenda. Of, course, the tricksters kept telling us how bad it all was.
    How gullible too many Australians were!

    Commenter
    EM
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:34AM
  • On the debt issue I don't have an issue with the removal of the debt ceiling - it was a fairly pointless thing anyway that just gave the opposition of the day a stick to beat the govt with before approving an increase.
    What I do find amazing is rather than simply releasing MYEFO or some other justification for the increase to $500b the ALP would of been happy with the Libs chose to do a deal with the Greens after all the abuse they hurled Gillard's way.

    Their hard right Mr Blot readers won't be happy.

    Commenter
    Macca75
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:31AM
    • Macca75,
      The problem with removing the debt ceiling is the psychological moving of the goal posts.

      With out a limit, human nature will allow a debt to be racked up. I thought that Labor was the villian in racking up a debt. We will see if a debt incurred in the name of infrastructure is actually "good".

      Commenter
      Bendou
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:01AM
    • Bendou - The debt ceiling was only introduced in 2008 - we survived over 100 years without one I think we can continue just fine without one.

      Commenter
      Macca75
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:09AM
    • Bendou,

      There had never been a "ceiling" in place until Labor put one in. Then they increased it every few months, so not much point really, is it?
      A good government will control debt for the good of the country. We will judge the current government on just that.

      Commenter
      Let's Get Real
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:17AM
    • One good thing about the debt cieling is that it did bring government spending & debt into focus. The problem with it is that it brought dangerous instability & lack of confidence to the financial markets as well. This compromise from the Greens is surprisingly much better.

      Commenter
      Lewis
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:37AM
    • 'Wayne Swan’s shocking week in Parliament continues.

      'Today Wayne Swan went one better. Wayne Swan was explicitly asked to rule out a further increase in the debt limit above the current limit of $300 billion. He steadfastly refused'.

      Joe Hockey at Laborwaste.com.au on 13 March this year

      Commenter
      Caffetierra Moka
      Location
      Sector 7-G
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 11:16AM
  • A positive start to good Govt after 100 days. Bring it on Tony don't let the hate media and Grumpy Bill stop the great work.

    Commenter
    enough s enough
    Location
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:26AM
    • I agree great work training for the synchronized diving at the next Olympics. I would suggest Tony and Christopher but their backflips seems to be slightly out of kilter. Tony and Peta might be a better duo. They at least speak to each other.

      Commenter
      tasch2
      Location
      Mornington Peninsula
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:46AM
    • Yes please. Let's have more of this great work, so that this mob of incompetent liars (they can't even lie competently) is out of office for a generation.

      Commenter
      Whyalla Wipeout
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:00AM
    • @ tasch - agree, you wouldn't see this sort of gymnastic skill in a school yard. Adults in the political gymnasium.

      Commenter
      Needless
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:08AM
    • For the record:

      Number of assylum seekers in final 72 days under Labor's watch: 5,463.

      Number of assylum seekers in first 72 days under LNP watch: 751.

      An 86% reduction people. Getting on with the job I say.

      Good day.

      Commenter
      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:02PM
    • ummm.....what exactly have they achieved in 100 days? Can you give us a list of achievements?

      Commenter
      wally100
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 12:29PM
    • Masked Marvel,

      Number of boat arrivals in the last 7 years of the Hawke/Keating government
      2,578

      Boat arrivals in last 7 years of Howard government 7,544.

      Overstayers in the last 7 years of the Hawke/Keating government
      362 people

      Under Howard's last 7 years
      19,353 people

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:02PM
    • Yeah and when you finish repealing anything Labor start ripping out roof insulation and demolish school Halls. Nothing Labor should be left standing if this lots have their ways.

      Commenter
      Mais51
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:10PM
    • Masked Marvel,

      Let's compare the last 7 years of the Hawke/Keating government with the last 7 years of the Howard government.

      Number of unauthorised boat arrivals
      Howard 13,175 Hawke/Keating 2,578

      Overstayers
      Howard 22,509 Hawke/Keating 362

      Unauthorised air arrivals
      Howard 7,896 Hawke/Keating 45

      Commenter
      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 2:56PM
    • Masked Marvel
      How do you know?
      No-one is allowed to know the truth about arrivals.

      Commenter
      Steve
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 3:26PM
    • Masked marvel:

      For the record:

      Number of constructive and rational nation-building policies created by the Coalition over the last 6 years and 100 days - 0

      Commenter
      Mary
      Location
      Mt Druitt
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:33PM
    • Tristan,

      I see you had to make your point twice there. Just emphasising the point I take it.

      The one big difference you clearly fail to note though is that the Howard government did not dismantle anything put in place by the Hawke/Keating governments.

      The Pacific Solution had reduced arrivals to nil. Rudd/Gillard/Bowen and co dismantled a policy that was working resulting in over 50,000 illegal arrivals and 1,100 deaths. Idiocy to the extreme. Just as well we have people prepared to make the difficult decisions in government right now.

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      Masked Marvel
      Location
      Gotham
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 5:47PM
    • Masked Marvel,

      I added unauthorised air arrivals in my second post.

      There's a massive increase in boat arrivals, air arrivals and overstayers.

      So how and why did the Howard government lose control of borders so dramatically?

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      Tristan
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 6:36PM
  • Waiting for the extremist socialist hoards to start there hate fest on The prime Minister of Australia again today....

    Commenter
    move to the centre
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    December 05, 2013, 9:24AM
    • A "socialist hoarde" would be a group of leftists that had been surreptitiously and obsessively collected? No, that would be a "hoard".

      I think you mean "horde".

      Now I know the side of the political divide from which the slide in educational standards is coming.

      And not a hate-fest against the PM, but fair comment on his and his team's performance when compared to his promises.

      Commenter
      Gigondas
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:39AM
    • 'the extremist socialist hoards' ... do you perhaps mean the Mums and Dads of Australia? The ordinary folk who feel like they were sold a pup? Meanwhile the Prime Sinister is big enough and has dished out enough over the years to be able to take the odium he so richly deserves at the moment ...

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      juileep
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 9:41AM
    • i hope the "hoarding" doesn't become a fire hazard. The CFA warns against such compulsions. Or perhaps the "hoarding" is only a collection of failed promises, backflips, lies and misrepresentations that we remember, ven though they've been wiped from the web.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      December 05, 2013, 10:57AM
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