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Politics wrap: June 26, 2013

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  • Kevin Rudd wins leadership ballot
  • Rudd 57 votes, Gillard 45 votes
  • Gillard says she will quit politics
  • Anthony Albanese elected deputy leader
  • Shorten backs Rudd
  • Independents Oakeshott and Windsor resign
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    Rudd: 'I cannot stand idly by'

    Prime minister elect Kevin Rudd and his deputy Anthony Albanese address the media for the first time after the Labor leadership spill.

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    Kevin Rudd and Anthony Albanese address the media during a press conference at Parliament House in Canberra on Wednesday 26 June 2013. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen Rudd: 'I cannot stand idly by'

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    • Hey may have meant sinning. It sunk long ago and sinning certainly sums up Labors governance of our economy.

      Commenter
      Ship
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 7:33PM
    • Couldn't agree more! Rudd has been "stirring" the pot since he was booted out. A leopard doesn't change its spots - I hope Rudd loses the vote and resigns. I am sick of his undermining.

      Commenter
      John
      Location
      Brisbane
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
    • Damn Iv'e missed the Bold and Beautiful?

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:17PM
    • She'll need more than luck what with all of that sexism and abortion being the plaything of men. How many women are there in caucus?

      Bye Jool's happy camping near the lake. Take up fishing, you can blame the one that got away.

      Commenter
      Pen of hrba
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 5:15PM
  • Not so much the night of the long knives, as the night of the blue pens? Does Labor really think that a late change in favour of the self professed 'saviour' of the party will actually help. Do us a favour, Kevin, declare your resignation and take up that position overseas. Then let the public decide the form and future of the ALP. The sheer arrogance of those stating that we cannot use the R word tells us just how out of touch with reality they have actually become. Governments lose office - oppositions do not win office - the government will hand victory hands victory to Abbott on a platter.

    Commenter
    Sonja, NSW
    Date and time
    June 26, 2013, 3:49PM
    • Poll Results so far: Who would give the Labor Party the best chance of winning the federal election?

      Rudd 52%
      Gillard 11%
      A different candidate 37%

      Told you it would get worse for the status quo. Time for change in the name of voters.

      http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-sits-pretty-as-labor-squabbles-20130626-2owgk.html

      Commenter
      Bondy
      Date and time
      June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
      • for the love of God why is it that Gillard seems to put her own career first before that of her country I am a great believer you govern to the best interests of Australia and be completely selfless, not govern what is it the best for your own job, then the party and then the country. Grow up Australia the bafoonery and incomptence must stop, throw the Gillard (aka back stabber) out so Australia can go forward and be served by a less self obsessed person.

        Commenter
        David Pavlovski
        Location
        Berwick
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
        • Albo, the Australian people are about to endure about a decade at least of ALP navel gazing.

          Commenter
          Fanta Pants
          Location
          Hong Kong
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
      • Will someone circulate a petition calling for the release of a LNP policy. You don't even need to cost them just release them and be prepared to articulate them in some detail. No more thought bubbles, no more 3 word slogans, a policy discussion. If we can find a journalist willing to drag themselves away from personalities we may even get some policy scrutiny.

        Commenter
        invamore
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
        • They'll release them in time for the election, as all Oppositions do.

          Commenter
          Fanta Pants
          Location
          Hong Kong
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
        • Fanta, I think they should quit while they are ahead, if the few released policies are anything to go by! Very few people like the policies they have seen. The polls simply indicate a childish swipe at Labor, not an endorsement of the Libs/Nats.

          Commenter
          Passionfruit
          Location
          Sydney
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
        • If the only policy that the opposition states is that they will undo everything that the current lot have done over the last six years, then that surely will be more than enough reason to vote for them.
          It would certainly make this a better country.

          Commenter
          Max
          Location
          Stafford Heights
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 4:27PM
        • Not sure where your coming from Majjk, you seemed to forgotten the special commission and all the recommediations that where implemented form that. All the Libs have 'is we will turn the boats around policy' - which tends to contrict the Indonesian governments postion - but hey the Libs wont naturally responds to how they are going to get around that are they.

          Commenter
          Graham
          Location
          Melbourne
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
      • Hahahah

        JG, in reference to the Liberals: "Slogans rather than solutions to complex problems"

        Labor's solution to the boat people crisis:

        "There's some space over there, see if they'll fit."

        A solution to a complex problem indeed.

        Commenter
        Malik the magic sheep
        Location
        Perth
        Date and time
        June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
        • Is there ever a time that Peatling makes anything but a positive comment about Gillard? Is she on team Anne Summers?

          Commenter
          paul
          Location
          Brisbane
          Date and time
          June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
            • Is it possible that Gillard will jump in the car, head off to Yarralumla and give Abbott an election on August 3 ?

              Commenter
              Hacka
              Location
              Canberra
              Date and time
              June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
              • Oh please.

                Commenter
                Catherine
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 4:15PM
            • Minister for Infrastructure and Transport
              Minister for Regional Development and Local Government, Leader of the House, Albanese (catch my breath) makes a lot of noise for a guy who appears to have no time to attend to all of his portfolios other than his leader of the house role, which he revels.

              In a nutshell, the problem with Mr Albanese and his party, desperate defenders of a party leader always in crisis.

              Commenter
              timjackelton
              Date and time
              June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
              • Infrastructure spending has been at record levels since 2007. The previous infrastructure minister was asleep under a bridge.

                Commenter
                Doug
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 4:45PM
              • seriously Malik - labor is passing innovative nation building legislation even as we speak, the Libs have no policies and you think that the Labs have the problem? One eyed anyone?

                And can we please stop saying the Labs can't stop boat people - no-one can stop boatpeople - they are caused by push factors that drive them away from their homeland, not by a minor policy position change of the Australian government

                Commenter
                ew75
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 3:37PM
            • I AM SO OVER THE MEDIA! REPORT ON SOMETHING REAL! How many times to we need to hear that Rudd is going to take over Gillard - stop creating something out of nothing!

              Commenter
              Lisa
              Date and time
              June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
              • Abbott seems to have played things pretty sensibly to this point.

                Commenter
                Hacka
                Location
                Canberra
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
                • Does the LNP pay you to sandbag? Or do you campaign for free?

                  Commenter
                  seamus
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 3:48PM
                • totally agree Hacka, I think hes doing a great job. Glad I didn't vote for rudd or Julia or rudd or Julia , hang on, who did you labor lovers vote for

                  Commenter
                  Genghis
                  Location
                  Lounge
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 4:09PM
                • Yep Abbott plays things sensibly by not opening his mouth, because as soon as he opens it sensibility goes out the window.

                  Commenter
                  MIkey
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 4:41PM
                • Malik - Did you see the reort the other day saying there is more people displaced in the world every day than seek asylum in Australia every year - I hope that puts your "problem" into some perspective!

                  In other news on plans for the future the GOnski reforms have passed parliament but Napthiine & co still won't agree despite a Victorian school being closed this week becuase of general disrepair, asbestos & lead paint.

                  Commenter
                  Macca75
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
              • I wonder if the good peoople of Tamworth and Port Macquarie are going vote Labor at the next election? After all, their local members have been defacto members of the Labor party for some time now. Health problems, my cold foot!

                Commenter
                jrp
                Location
                Thailand
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                • I am thinking that is a rhetorical question jrp, but in case it isnt, the people of Port Macquarie and Tamworth voted resoundingly for a NON Labor government last time and a fat lot of good it did us. So this time once the tars and feathers have been used up (if we can find Mr O or Mr W on election day) we will hand write NATIONAL Party on the forms we drop in the box in case our new local member decides to desert his principles too.

                  Commenter
                  DavidH9000
                  Location
                  Port Macquarie
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 4:00PM
                • Thanks, yes it was. It's a pity when the person elected disregards the wishes of the majority of the electorate and thinks that the people no longer matter. Never mind it won't be a hung parliament this time around (my opinion anyway). The independents 'day in the sun' is almost over.

                  Commenter
                  jrp
                  Location
                  Thailand
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 5:35PM
              • @Zen I never defended polls in 2010. They have always been statistically unsound and unreliable at best, and should not be listened to. I fear the polls dictate voting habits of the masses, rather than the other way around.

                Commenter
                Gabriel
                Date and time
                June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                • Abbott the spoiled kid...didn't win the prize and hasn't stopped whinging! Show me the policy Tony, not slogans but fleshed out, costed policy...if you want to be seen as an alternative PM option.
                  We all too soon forget Abbot knifed Turnbull...and became leader by just 1 vote...hardly inspiring...

                  Commenter
                  Gavroche
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
                  • And yet has managed to do what no one in the Labor party can do - unite a party.

                    The answer is simple - call an election and then the policies have to come out for scrutiny. I don't understand why supporters of the government ask to see opposition costed policies when we aren't even in an election. No opposition ever does that. Issue the writs, start the campaign and then we can all make objective decisions.

                    Commenter
                    Smokin Mo
                    Location
                    Ryde
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:54PM
                  • The Libs plan for asylum seekers is what exactly? Stopping the boats by sending them back? Sorry just a slogan with no substance especially when the indo government laughs at it. The RAN will not do it so is TA going to hop in a zodiac with his budgie smugglers and fix a line to their bow and tow them himself? Please your blinkered take on policies or their lack is showing, please provide some policies the Liberals have that aren't encompassed in a slogan filled brochure of nothingness.

                    Commenter
                    Rob68
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
                • This craving for Rudd to be the next PM sickens me to the core. He ought to be called for what he is, a failed experiment with the the people a failed policy maker and a total failure as a human being. He ought to be heckled on evey corner as long as this stupid idea that he would ever be fit to be the PM. You aren't and we don't want this dudd!

                  Commenter
                  Phill Power
                  Location
                  Hong Kong
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 3:31PM
                  • You are in the minority.

                    Commenter
                    Opinion Only
                    Location
                    Melbourne
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:40PM
                  • Phill, I don't think it's a craving for Rudd as PM, but more a craving to stop Abbott being PM...or at least, a PM with unfettered power. Not even any Libs I know want Abbott as PM: they all rather have Turnbull!

                    Commenter
                    Passionfruit
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
                  • Untrue: the ALP will be wiped out either way. True Rudd SPIN.

                    Commenter
                    a1liam
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:55PM
                  • No he's not. I used to respect K Rudd not anymore.

                    Commenter
                    Dirk Dredd
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:56PM
                  • Passionfruit, you know a lib? Very funny!!!

                    Commenter
                    Already Reflected
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 4:20PM
                • Not surprised Anna Burke's mum is visiting the chamber - probably the last time she will be able to see her in that chair

                  Commenter
                  helenB
                  Date and time
                  June 26, 2013, 3:28PM
                  • hi speaker's mum!!!

                    Commenter
                    jetissah
                    Date and time
                    June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
                    • Gillard has not got the Vic government on side, unless they cough up another 7 billion! The budget is in a mess. What will Qld, WA, Tas and NT want more?

                      Commenter
                      Malcolm
                      Location
                      South East
                      Date and time
                      June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
                      • That's because Victoria is broke and Napthine is trying to wring every last dollar he can get out of whoever he can.

                        Commenter
                        Kerry
                        Location
                        Melbourne
                        Date and time
                        June 26, 2013, 3:52PM
                      • Don't worry water is going up 25% thanks to Labor's desalination white elephant, trumpeting millions of tonnes of pollution into the sea and into the air.

                        Back to Friday night bath times and sharing bath water. Good old Labor did it again.

                        Commenter
                        Pen of hrba
                        Date and time
                        June 26, 2013, 4:00PM
                    • Albanese was excellent as usual. Passionate, funny and full of facts! What a shame I've moved out of his seat to that of the hapless Hockey.

                      Commenter
                      Passionfruit
                      Location
                      Alas, no longer Albo's seat
                      Date and time
                      June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
                        • Passionfruit,

                          If you had watched QT over the last 3 years you would have heard the exact same words from the great Albo. He has not added to anything whatsoever.

                          Commenter
                          beasleyst
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:32PM
                        • suggest you move on then...

                          Commenter
                          the drover's dog
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
                        • Albo is a one trick pony. Shrills and stamps his feet whenever he's asked to put some muscle on the floor. As Transport Minister I still can't work out what 's done. He's a convenient politician, supports something when it is of no cost or matter to hm but when the heat is on he turns to water, ie: Sydney 2nd Airport.

                          He knows how to navigate his way around a dysfunctional party though. He is from the NSW ALP and is married to Carmel Tebbutt, former Deputy Premier of NSW during the Rees and Keneally years....

                          Commenter
                          Fanta Pants
                          Location
                          Hong Kong
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:41PM
                        • beasleyst, I have been watching. That's why I used the words "as usual". As for the rubbish spouted by Abbott and Pyne...only facts I hear are those related to the leadership drama. The funny thing is that the Labor shemozzle still produces better policies for our country than the seemingly disciplined other side.

                          Commenter
                          Passionfruit
                          Location
                          Alas, Hockey is my member
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
                        • Use your vote wisely!

                          Commenter
                          Caligula
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:44PM
                      • I think Tony Abbott and Chris Payne are trying to save Julia Gillard . Hysterical . They certainly ripped into K . Rudd lol

                        Commenter
                        Jack
                        Location
                        sydney
                        Date and time
                        June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
                        • I am a labor voter if Rudd gets in I will be voting Greens.

                          People may think Latham is crazy but he was right about Rudd.

                          Rudd only been about de-stabilizing the present govt. He has no interest in governing Australia just destroying the labor party. He purely wants revenge for being dumped.

                          The current media, all journalists if you can call them that owe the Australian people an apology for not doing their job. Ignoring the leadership speculation and getting on analyzing the govt.and opposition policies.

                          We have a govt. that allowed Australia to avoid the GFC unlikely other countries.

                          We have lower inflation, close to full employment. Yet we are still whinging.

                          The mining industry was not seen for what they were greedy.

                          So glad the old media is dieing we may get media commentary that questions Abbott's motives for being so negative.

                          I do agree though Gillard has been lackluster in attacking the opposition and getting her point across. But could be sexism, we the public are not use to a female PM.

                          Commenter
                          AnthLC
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:23PM
                          • Nice bit of cherrypicking there, AnthLC. Do you also support Labor's and the Green's policies for open borders? Google "Dandenong asylum seeker crisis" and see how well those policies are working out there.

                            True humanitarians we have in Parliament.

                            Commenter
                            Malik the magic sheep
                            Location
                            Perth
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:29PM
                          • Google results.

                            No results found for "Dandenong asylum seeker crisis"

                            Commenter
                            AndrewE
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:41PM
                        • Alabanese invoking the signs behind TA again. Lol, find something new! They're so bankrupt of ideas, they need to keep trotting out the same old criticisms that have nothing to do with anything.

                          If the Libs wanted to join them in the gutter, they would merely invoke the hundreds of deaths at sea. But oh no, some idiotic signs behind the leader of the opposition present a far greater crisis of conscience to the ALP.

                          Commenter
                          Malik the magic sheep
                          Location
                          Perth
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
                          • Ha ha, good one Malik. As if the Opposition haven't spent the last 3 years in the gutter. Brilliant; one of your best.

                            Commenter
                            jofek
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
                          • Malik, in those few lines you have summed up what is wrong with every Liberal voter. You trot out about the signs behind TA and say Labor keeps complaining about it, it's the first time in months that is has been mentioned.
                            Every day we here from TA, JH, CP, JB and every other Liberal/National about the Carbon Tax. Get over it, move on, please, please try and come up with something new.
                            Like a policy for........., well anything really, we still haven't heard any.

                            Commenter
                            Mathew
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                          • Matthew - can you count - the first time? Maybe the first time for Labor ears. Has not JG talked about it in her famous 'blue tie' speech and was it not incessantly repeated by Labor? Mate, if you want to attack people get your facts right ....

                            Commenter
                            ET
                            Location
                            Lakesland
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:46PM
                          • Malik, she mentions it is speeches to show the character of TA, not that she really needs to, his character should be well known.
                            What is TAs health care policy?
                            What is his education policy?
                            What is his infrastructure policy?
                            What is his IR policy?
                            What is his jobs policy?
                            What is his asylum seeker policy?

                            Commenter
                            Mathew
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:53PM
                          • Matthew

                            "What is his asylum seeker policy?"

                            That sums up everything for you, you have not listen to anything.
                            For the last three years he has said he will turn back to the boats. Under Gillard the have been 33000 asylum seekers and she said she would stop them.

                            Commenter
                            terry
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 4:29PM
                          • I think jofek should stand for PM and fight out the election. He will then finally realise how irrelevant he is also.

                            Commenter
                            housemartin
                            Location
                            Hong Kong
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 5:29PM
                        • "For the past three years, we've put up with the longest dummy spit in Australian political history."

                          Make that two of the longest dummy spits, Anthony.

                          Commenter
                          Cameron
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
                          • Albo, the Australian people are about to endure about a decade at least of ALP navel gazing.

                            Commenter
                            Fanta Pants
                            Location
                            Hong Kong
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:43PM
                        • How, Mr Abbot, does one have meetings behind closed doors while standing in corridors?

                          Commenter
                          Rudd is a troublemaker
                          Location
                          Ringwood
                          Date and time
                          June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
                          • Seems a certain group of people are the only ones with no say in who runs the country. The electorate.

                            Commenter
                            Julian
                            Date and time
                            June 26, 2013, 3:18PM
                            • The PM is so very pleased she has nearly achieved her ambition of a lifetime - to compromise the system. No wonder she appears calm.
                              and the system has paid and will pay her handsomely to do it.
                              I would be as strong under those circumstances. Who would not.

                              Mr windsor has said Mr Abbott offered him everything but his arse to join with him 3 years ago. Often pondered what he was offered by the Lab lot.
                              I will never forget he sold his farm to a coal mine, or the lame excuse he used.
                              Or that he was photographed in spain with Mr Oakshott standing next to solar panels. most educational

                              Commenter
                              S K Ared
                              Location
                              ACT
                              Date and time
                              June 26, 2013, 3:17PM
                              • The nerve of these blokes, being photographed standing by SOLAR PANELS!!! Quick, someone alert ASIO they might be commies!!!!!!!

                                Commenter
                                Sydney Sam
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:42PM
                            • ROFL

                              Albanese talking about Labor's plan for the future, while accusing the Libs of having none.

                              Maybe Labor's plan for the future could start with addressing the boat people problem. But then again, isn't that a plan for the past? The past three years? The three years they've had an opportunity to do something? They've done nothing and they have the hide to accuse the Libs of having no policies.

                              Brb, I'm laughing my head off.

                              Commenter
                              Malik the magic sheep
                              Location
                              Perth
                              Date and time
                              June 26, 2013, 3:14PM
                              • Hey Malik it might get even better - Swannie might stand up and start talking about future surpluses he'll deliver.

                                Commenter
                                Hacka
                                Location
                                Canberra
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
                              • It is Labor's policies that are preventing us from having a good future. They can't fix our borders, and are mortgaging our future by spending like drunken sailors. When the libs are in and start paying off the debt we can be optimistic about our future's

                                Commenter
                                Let's Make Sandwiches
                                Location
                                Wollongong
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                              • Albo has had the same speech every single time he has stood up in this parliament. Nothing new.

                                Commenter
                                beasleyst
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:22PM
                            • Scenario 1 Rudd ousts Julia, loses the election, is held responsible and replaced by Shorten.
                              Scenario 2 Rudd ousts Julia, wins the unwinnable election, is considered a liability in government as he isnt popular in the Caucus and is replaced by Shorten.
                              Scnario 3 Rudd fails to oust Gillard, Labor lose in a catastophic landslide, Julia resigns and is replaced by Shorten.

                              Whichever scenario, Shorten ends up leading the party and whenever he is asked a question will answer Ithat Gillard has answered that and I agree with her answer even though I havent heard her answer! What a future Labor has.

                              Commenter
                              DavidH9000
                              Date and time
                              June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
                              • I believe Mr Shorten is carrying significant reputational risk in relation to his character that may well emerge to put an end to his ambitions.

                                Commenter
                                Marcel
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
                            • So if they can't find a single MP who has seen the petition, basically this story is yet another beat-up by the media then? So sick of the manufactured scandals on a daily basis.

                              Commenter
                              Herself
                              Date and time
                              June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
                              • The election is on September 14, Tony.

                                Shut up.

                                Commenter
                                Pete
                                Location
                                Sydney
                                Date and time
                                June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                                  • Don't be so sure Pete, it could be much earlier than that... just depends how woefully the ALP handle this.

                                    Commenter
                                    Fanta Pants
                                    Location
                                    Hong Kong
                                    Date and time
                                    June 26, 2013, 3:24PM
                                • Abbot says he is tired of Labor Party deals being done in corridors behind closed doors. Weird architecture in Parliament House?

                                  Commenter
                                  The Architect
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                                  • Anthony Albanese once again playing the man, not the policies.

                                    How's that tactic working for you Labor?

                                    Commenter
                                    Malik the magic sheep
                                    Location
                                    Perth
                                    Date and time
                                    June 26, 2013, 3:11PM
                                    • Hard to argue against policies which are not existant. Will the opposition release its raft of policies before August 3rd? I doubt it unless its in the form of a slogan filled, pander to the ill informed brochure.

                                      Commenter
                                      Rob68
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 3:28PM
                                    • Rob, like labor you need to stop navel gazing and see the facts. The coalition have lots of policies. Itssad that labor are too stupid or too caught up in themselves to look for them.

                                      Commenter
                                      Denny
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 3:34PM
                                    • In the absence of any policy from the opposition and the refusal to publish the many successful policies of the Labor party by the press the only thing Labor can fight is the Liberals behaviour in the past and on that they have a lot of ammunition.

                                      Commenter
                                      AustraliaFirst
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 3:35PM
                                    • Wow talk about cognitive dissonance. You do realise that the Coalition have been playing 'the woman' for the whole of this government's term. Another ijit.

                                      Commenter
                                      Code Red
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 3:38PM
                                    • Can you reference a few of those policies then Denny? Or are you just rambling rubbish. Name me three coalition policies. Their Paid Parental Leave Scheme? What a poorly constructed solution to a problem or if we are to talk straight talk a blatant bribe

                                      Commenter
                                      Kilkenny
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
                                    • You mean like this 50 page document outlining the Liberal policies that is freely available on their website, Kilkenny?
                                      http://tinyurl.com/br6366c

                                      Keep ranting about how bad the Liberals are though. One or two people might listen if you're lucky...that is if they didn't witness the Labor debacles of 2010 or 2013.

                                      Commenter
                                      Jiminy
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 9:54PM
                                  • SO - if K Rudd is successful but cannot secure the support of the cross-benchers and Tony Abbot becomes PM - how long until a new election has to be held? At that point surely everyone will realise how much they detest Tony and either Kev will win a landslide victory or the Libs will dump Tony in favour of Malcolm and everyone will be (relatively) happy?

                                    Commenter
                                    Shine
                                    Date and time
                                    June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
                                    • Chris Pyne, why don't you tell us who is laughing at this government? On what basis is this government a shambles? All we have from the Liberals, as usual, is random assertions accepted as fact because they can and they can get away with it.

                                      Commenter
                                      ab
                                      Date and time
                                      June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
                                      • There was a reason why Rudd was toppled in the first place. This was not only the slide in the polls. Senior ministers in the government judged that this slide was due to Rudd being dysfunctional, which was most evident to his colleagues, and that he is not mentally fit for the position. This is why they took the risky course of removing him. Now some of them are panicked into reinstalling someone who has been judged drastically unsound by his colleagues because of his alleged popularity. Rudd's narcissism is out of control. He is the chief cause of this disaster and chaos, not just the incompetence of the remaining Labor ministry.

                                        Commenter
                                        Marcel
                                        Location
                                        Canberra
                                        Date and time
                                        June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
                                        • Couldn't agree more! Rudd has been "stirring" the pot since he was booted out. A leopard doesn't change its spots - I hope Rudd loses the vote and resigns. I am sick of his undermining.

                                          Commenter
                                          John
                                          Location
                                          Brisbane
                                          Date and time
                                          June 26, 2013, 5:48PM
                                      • No one has power. The politicians who toe the line and follow the party have no power - only a job. They do as they are told. No one can do anything without public scrutiny. There's no power at stake here - it's a farce.

                                        Commenter
                                        Gabriel
                                        Date and time
                                        June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                                        • Is Christopher Pyne offering jogging advice - how to exit the chamber with the speed of a gazelle ?

                                          Commenter
                                          Hacka
                                          Location
                                          Canberra
                                          Date and time
                                          June 26, 2013, 3:08PM
                                          • Under our constitution, what we have now is a perfectly legitimate minority govt. What Abbott is saying now is purely false and an attempt to persuade Australians that it's wrong and this is disgraceful, just because very few Austalians even know how our parliamentary system works. Shame LNP

                                            Commenter
                                            JT
                                            Date and time
                                            June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
                                            • You cannot be serious.

                                              Commenter
                                              Dave
                                              Location
                                              Brisbane
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                                            • Dave, you prove JT's point.

                                              Commenter
                                              jofek
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
                                          • Is there a petition? Isn't there? C'mon Third Estate we rely on you for some consistent information. Surely this isn't another false start? Julia for all her strengths should look more worried than she does if the information you feed us is correct. I'm starting to think that perhaps Shorten has set Rudd up.

                                            Commenter
                                            Altered
                                            Location
                                            Esperance
                                            Date and time
                                            June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                                            • Putting money into peoples bank accounts is just impractical! How can the government assure that the $410 or $205 goes towards schooling items? won't it be better if they distribute it to the schools? I'm a high school student and i can see that it won't be beneficial... What a waste of taxpayers money.

                                              Commenter
                                              Andrew.24
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
                                              • I see - so I guess you oppose tax reductions because we cant be assured people will spend them wisely (or at least , how you would like them spent)

                                                Commenter
                                                Jimmy G
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                                            • "INDEPENDENT MP Bob Katter has dramatically thrown his support behind Kevin Rudd to take the Labor leadership."

                                              The Australian

                                              Commenter
                                              Rob
                                              Location
                                              Sydney
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
                                              • see Stephanie's entry at 11.32am

                                                Commenter
                                                The Mod
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 3:08PM
                                            • Can we get rid of the polls please? Julia Gillard is an okay PM and we shouldn't be trying so hard to oust her because of "a few polls". They are not statistically sound and should not be taken as gospel.

                                              A change in leader won't necessarily change party policy. Politics should be about ideology, not personalities, and to bring that back we need to ditch polls.

                                              Commenter
                                              Gabriel
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 3:01PM
                                              • Agreed Gabriel!!

                                                Commenter
                                                Thomas44
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                              • Opinion polls were a good enough justification for Gillard to backstab Rudd and become Australia's first female PM,to loud cheers from feminists,who were happy to overlook treachery. Now the polls reflect badly on Gillard we should get rid of them?I don't think so!Payback is such a b....h!

                                                Commenter
                                                Zen
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                              • Give me a break! None of US tried to oust Rudd after poor polling - his own party did that without consultation and behind closed doors. And WE are not doing it now. The Labor party lives, breathes & exists for polls as it's often the only way to settle their warring factions - ergo, here we all are!

                                                Commenter
                                                the drover's dog
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 11:23PM
                                            • Agree with the Age editorial. Stand aside for the good of the country.
                                              This is not some schoolyard fight I don't care how tough she is, the Australian people do not want her nor should we give abbot an easy ride into office in both houses.

                                              Commenter
                                              freddy
                                              Date and time
                                              June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
                                              • Thank you Tony - better late than never for your motion of No Confidence. But will it succeed now??

                                                Commenter
                                                Rosie
                                                Location
                                                Sydney
                                                Date and time
                                                June 26, 2013, 2:58PM
                                                • Gillard and Combet ripping the arguments of the Coalition to shreds on the floor of the house.
                                                  President Obama's Climate Action Plan has hit the Coalition hard.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Staz
                                                  Date and time
                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:57PM
                                                    • But there will be no USA carbon tax so you can compare the two systems.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      terry
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                                                    • Dont be silly - the opposition have no arguments. Just a silly chant about axing the carbon tax.....to replace it with a bloated expensive bureaucracy doling out money to companies on carbon mitigation projects that are totally unproven

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Jimmy G
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                                                    • what obamas plan is abbott light no sign of a useless carbon tax. read it mate

                                                      Commenter
                                                      85days to happiness
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 3:14PM
                                                    • Yes in typical form dont let the truth be exposed, dont mention whyalla getting $650 million to keep it afloat, nor the 2 $billion in payments to polluters, nor the family assistance that allows people to keep warm at night, all that from labors "policy disaster fund" PDF and yours and my pockets. It Must feel good to lie and get away with it and call it determination, labor lemmings.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      they omit the 2 billion given away
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 3:27PM
                                                    • The statement firmly puts climate change sceptics in a gelogical layer with the dinosaurs.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Staz
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 3:32PM
                                                  • It appears Oakshot and Windsor were aware that Gillard was not going to last the week and so have left the Titanic early.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    captain goodvibes
                                                    Date and time
                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
                                                    • Gonski, historic education reform, ripping 2.8 billion from universities for school principals to spend at their discretion.

                                                      Thirty more parking spaces for school staff? Yes please! Your education dollars in action.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Malik the magic sheep
                                                      Location
                                                      Perth
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
                                                      • Gonski isn't going anywhere.

                                                        There's no way QLD and WA are going to support it.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Richard
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:16PM
                                                    • Congratulation to PM Gillard on another breakthrough reform of education Gonski next. Fantastic performance, well done

                                                      Commenter
                                                      AustraliaFirst
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
                                                      • Where is the money coming from?
                                                        Already Uni's are the losers, who else will be losers?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        terry
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                                                      • You obviously know nothing about Gonski is....
                                                        a) it is a funding reform, not an education reform in any way at all, in fact
                                                        b) the principals can spend all the extra money anyway they choose.... new gardens, new carpet. there is no stipulation on how it is spent. Unmitigated pork barrel to the teachers federation and a complete waste of $5 biilion of taxpayers money.....

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Wayne D.
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:31PM
                                                      • Hear hear!!

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Thomas44
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:34PM
                                                      • Can you explain who will hold schools accountable? Garrett couldn't. It wust be another rort mishandled by labor. Gold medal for stupidity.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Denny
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
                                                      • Except we have no money to fund it!

                                                        Free Ferraris for everyone!

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Frequent Flyer
                                                        Location
                                                        VIC
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:36PM
                                                      • ...and singular congratulation to PM on ripping funding from the tertiary sector to help fund it. It's all smoke & mirrors

                                                        Commenter
                                                        the drover's dog
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:37PM
                                                      • What breakthrough is that - the States will decide not her - more spin on the unfunded, unpayable drip like the NDI scam, Carbon Tax scam , NBN scam.........

                                                        Commenter
                                                        gc
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
                                                      • Got any concerns about Gonski not being fully funded? Or any concerns that not all the States have signed up?

                                                        Or any concerns about how the States will be kept accountable for reaching the educational objectives?
                                                        Garrett couldn't answer that question on 7.30 last night.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        yys
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:45PM
                                                      • Hmm, have to get the Sates on board first...after all Education is a state matter.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                        Location
                                                        Brisbane
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:53PM
                                                      • 7 years of Labor and all we have is the Gonski legislation. Which if you read it staes it is not ENFORCABLE ! So just what has been achieved today ?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        abc
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:58PM
                                                      • Only works if the states sign up....

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Cat
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:59PM
                                                      • More like Custer's last stand

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Les
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 4:25PM
                                                    • If ever there was a herd animal it's not the rat, it's the LNP posters who use the same tired old slogan time and time again and never seem to tire of it. It's about as hackneyed as the LNP's policies.

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Altered
                                                      Location
                                                      Esperance
                                                      Date and time
                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
                                                      • Julia Gillard has been the subject of a long term sexist, nasty and abusive campaign which is now on the brink of success. I feel sorry for Julia's fate. But the ALP must now do something to limit the approaching electorate onslaught. Rudd does have street cred - its been an eye-opener on the news in recent weeks and he could change the electoral dynamics completely. The last thing the Opposition want is for Rudd to become PM. The more they will run a campaign of abuse against him, the more those swinging voters will embrace him. Lets face it -. its not about policies. It should, but it isn;t.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Charlie Zero
                                                        Date and time
                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:53PM
                                                        • Kevin Rudd should just tie a very big bow around his head as he is already the gift that keeps on giving for Tony Abbott

                                                          Commenter
                                                          dlg
                                                          Date and time
                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:52PM
                                                          • Oh yes, and Gillard is just giving the Libs hell, right?

                                                            *shakes head*

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Malik the magic sheep
                                                            Location
                                                            Perth
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
                                                          • Obviously you havnt seen the comparison polls between Gillard and Rudd. Rudd clearly would fare better against Abbott, so it would in his interest to keep her there.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            hotpie
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                                                          • Labour is not going to fare well against Tony Abbott not matter who is in charge but this stupid infightling is making it worse and sealing the deal.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            dlg
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                                        • Watch out... Kevin is wearing a blue tie!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Bob
                                                          Location
                                                          Melbourne
                                                          Date and time
                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
                                                          • Yay schoolkids bonus!

                                                            "Mum can we get my new iPod now?"

                                                            "Sure we can hon. We'll get an extended warranty as well."

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Malik the magic sheep
                                                            Location
                                                            Perth
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:50PM
                                                            • Keep it up, worth a few thousand votes to the ALP there.
                                                              I would never suggest how a high net worth individual should spend their money, never.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Staz
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:01PM
                                                            • Malik you have named yourself well-except for the magic part!!!

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Mr Mauricio
                                                              Location
                                                              Palm Beach
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                                                          • Ahahahaha, JG has just said where people are from Sri Lanka, they are promptly returned. What happens when a Sri Lankan says they're from Afghanistan? How would we know? They have no papers.

                                                            Aren't we a gullible lot.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Malik the magic sheep
                                                            Location
                                                            Perth
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:49PM
                                                            • Malik
                                                              Some people actually have enough brains to tell the difference. Unlike the lemmings who chant "turn back the boats"

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Steve
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                                                            • Brilliant comment, Mr Sheep.

                                                              Because it would be absolutely impossible for anyone in the immigration department to work out whether a person speaks Tamil or Pashto, wouldn't it?

                                                              Well done.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Reg
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:17PM
                                                            • @Reg

                                                              "Brilliant comment, Mr Sheep.

                                                              Because it would be absolutely impossible for anyone in the immigration department to work out whether a person speaks Tamil or Pashto, wouldn't it?

                                                              Well done."

                                                              You mean the same way everyone in Australia speaks only English? Have you heard of Urdu? Spoken in Afghanistan, India, Pakistan and, in some cases, Sri Lanka.

                                                              Well done Reg, well done.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Malik the magic sheep
                                                              Location
                                                              Perth
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 4:04PM
                                                          • Please NOT Rudd.
                                                            Rudd is NOT the solution to Labors woes. He's a contributor to them.

                                                            Commenter
                                                            ODCologne
                                                            Date and time
                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
                                                            • Looks above at the real "chattering classes" and gets back to work.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              AndreP
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:46PM
                                                              • Been away for a while - it it true that Malcolm is petitioning to replace Tony as Coalition leader? Something about 'I'm the only one with ideas on how to take the country forward?'

                                                                Commenter
                                                                rayo
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                                • They don't need to yet, Abbott is cruising in. If Rudd takes over though, Malcolm maybe an option.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  GoRudd
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:55PM
                                                                • Apart from three word phrases Abbott has no idea how to run a Country but to ruin an economy he had the best advice from his predecessor

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  AustraliaFirst
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:13PM
                                                              • It's a shame politics will be all so boring agai in 80 days time.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Chris
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                                • Boring ? Lets see how the dinosaurs handle social media when in Government, millions will remember what a gutless act abbott & the right wing media have been and will be heard continually...

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Big business
                                                                  Location
                                                                  illawarra
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:12PM
                                                              • Gillard is awesome - all the pressure on her in the world, and yet she just gets on with it. She is a very cool customer. If she is knocked over, there will be no tears like Rudd, no leaks during his campaign, etc. What a shame her incredible legislative record in a minority government doesn't interest the media or the voters.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Seamus
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
                                                                • Agree with you Seamus!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Melinda-Lee
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Auckland New Zealand
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:02PM
                                                                • Yes.

                                                                  PM Gillard is an "amazing" Prime Minister.

                                                                  It's such a pity that the majority of the electorate, a substantial number of her own colleagues, and the Home Spinners and Knitters Guild can't see it.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Louis Cypher
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
                                                                • Seamus,

                                                                  It's hard to feel pressure from the outside world, when you have no touch with the outside world!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  beasleyst
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:19PM
                                                                • Spot-on Seamus! The only problem is she cant inspire people to recognise what she has actually achieved.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Battered
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                                              • My goodness, is this what we pay our politicians exhorbitant sums of money to do ? Photo at 2.35 pm, Rudd passing a note to Fitzgibbon, both giggling like little schoolkids.. Grow up people , you are representing your electorates, behave like you do give a damn about your job. And one of them wants to be PM, my goodness we are a nation of losers..

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Anti Ruddster
                                                                Location
                                                                Further down under the same rock
                                                                Date and time
                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:42PM
                                                                • Labor would have been much better off if they had done nothing.
                                                                  Who cares.....an election can't come soon enough. Why on earth are we paying these people with my taxes

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  RAM
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Qld
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                  • Hang in there Julia - hope that you will still be PM. Good luck to you!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Melinda-Lee
                                                                    Location
                                                                    New Zealand
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                    • God Melinda, you're a Kiwi!
                                                                      This obsequious pro Gillard stance of yours is intriguing.
                                                                      Is it more to do with a shared interest in wool?

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Louis Cypher
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 4:09PM
                                                                  • Oh isn't it good too see Labor and Liberal Supporters basing their comments on emotions rather then facts?

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    keith
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
                                                                    • I think Julia has done a great job. Such a strong leader. However...let Abbott get his time in the next few weeks...lets see his real colours.....We have all been duped by the Abbott negativity broken record.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      neilbear
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:39PM
                                                                      • Fantastic job *golf clap / seal clap*

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Kaboda
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
                                                                      • His real colour is definitely blue. Its also my favourite.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:52PM
                                                                    • Watching Gillard in the parliament today she doesn't look as if she has a care in the world and she is performing well. It's hard to understand how such an intelligent woman has managed to get into the position she has, but I guess we are all our own worst enemies. She has to go but it is a pity as there is much to admire in her.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Altered
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Esperance
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:37PM
                                                                      • Its called bloody mindedness.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Malik the magic sheep
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Perth
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:58PM
                                                                      • It is called leadership.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Staz
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                                                                    • Any one of the Labor trolls on here that actually believe that LABOR , GIllard, Swan or RUDD can economically run this country are kidding themselves ! Swan says Small business is Booming in Question time ? does he not know that 2000 close a month, bumbbling baffoons !

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      DW
                                                                      Location
                                                                      BRONTE
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
                                                                      • Perhaps "labor trolls "depend on facts not unsupportable rumours, so far this issue has been unsupported by any factual data, a petition that doesn't exist a economy that is doing bad despite the facts Lets look at record growth, AAA credit rating Low unemployment, low inflation record infrastructure development and then say we have an incompetent Government to say otherwise is plain stupidity, but as they say never underestimate a crowds stupidity.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        AustraliaFirst
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:11PM
                                                                    • Mr Rudd should be prepared for a second backstabbing if he runs and wins the next election. Knowing how cunning Ms Gillard is, the only reason she would give up her seat is tactical.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      glorenz
                                                                      Location
                                                                      newtown
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
                                                                      • LOL - If she gives up her 'seat' she will no longer be an MP, thus making it impossible to 'knife' Rudd. As for Rudd he has spent three years doing little but sabotaging Gillard.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Seamus
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Sydney
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
                                                                    • From SA June 26, 2013, 2:15PM saying yes to Rudd as Laboe Leader is saying yes to the Liberals in Government and Abbott as PM, if he doesn't stabbed in the back by Turnbull.

                                                                      And EA 26/6 stopping using The Media as your only source of information.

                                                                      PS To the person who called me mate, I cannot be your mate as you haven't pay me to be your mate and I don't be mates with a Liberal Member.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      keith
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                                      • Keith, a mate would offer you a dictionary...

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Fanta Pants
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Hong Kong
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:56PM
                                                                    • The hilarious thing about this is that Rudd actually believes that he won't be knifed in the back AGAIN even if he does win the next leadership spill. Ruddy, give it a rest and let these buffoons go down. Then, if you really care about, and want to lead this country, the door will be wide open, and your mandate unquestioned.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Malik the magic sheep
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Perth
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                                      • Not sure that you can say a Rudd return is about revenge - seems to me it is more about the fact that the polls are saying that he is their only chance and without him they are gone. On that basis how could he not run if a majority of caucus want him. To refuse to run in those circumstances would be churlish.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        helenB
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                        • I agree Helen. There might be an element of revenge, but this is only hope of making it a contest and avoiding annihilation. It's pathetic Gillard was too stubborn to step down, even more so that they knifed Rudd in the first instance as we would never have had a hung Parliament and Abbott wouldn't be the opposition leader I'll bet.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          daffy
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                      • What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        middleway
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                        • Sometimes, but what kills you, kills you.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Sammy B
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:38PM
                                                                        • What doesn't kill us now might well kill off our kids and grandkids though. Even if Abbott does do a better job with the economy (remains to be seen) he doesn't have the vision or strength to tackle big polluters and climate change. No-one will remember how big the deficit was under Swan vs Hockey when they can't breath outside.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          dismayed
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 4:31PM
                                                                      • No the polls show that women have not liked her standing up for them (how is that for irony) so that won't happen. I think that Rudd gets the women's vote as he is quite cheerful, is man (yes the electorate still hasn't got used having a woman in charge) and has a very successful wife so he ticks most of the boxes. If you think this sexist then just look at the way the electorate has belittled and attacked her personally o the last few years and you can see we are still in a last century world in terms of the electorate. Yes there have been women premiuers but without exception they have always been put into a bad situation that a man didn't want deal with.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Lance
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                        • No Lance. The truth she is a backstabber and a liar (ok that's common to much of out parliamemt). BUT she has talked down and insulted thinking women with her bizarre rantings on abortion and was particularly offensive in playing the gender card when it suited her. That does not constitute statesmanship or an inspiring leader (male or female).

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pat Rat
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                                                        • No Lance. The truth she is a backstabber and a liar (ok that's common to much of out parliamemt). BUT she has talked down and insulted thinking women with her bizarre rantings on abortion and was particularly offensive in playing the gender card when it suited her. That does not constitute statesmanship or an inspiring leader (male or female).

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Pat Rat
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 3:21PM
                                                                      • The Labor Party used to be better than this under Rudd and Hawke. Thanks Jules for reminding us why tonight is your last supper.

                                                                        Time for another misogyny or men-in-blue-ties speech ?

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Hacka
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Canberra
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                        • Life under Hawke and Keating was better but not under these two clowns.
                                                                          Can you imagine if this was happening if Keating was still around, there would be a large number of very sore bottoms and other places.
                                                                          The damage to the ALP that is now being caused would never have got out of caucus and there would be very in the media if hawke and Keating were around.
                                                                          There has always been a bit of hatred within the ALP but never has it been so bad and so open as it is now.
                                                                          The time has come for the Adults in the ALP if there are any left to knock heads together an have an election now as the ALP will continue to slide farther into the abyss with every passing minute.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          terry
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
                                                                      • Lets be altogether clear about this. Budget Paper 1 from 2013-14 states, at page 10-10, the following recent Federal budget expenditures as a proportion of GDP:

                                                                        Howard >> highest 26.2 (1996/7, last remnants of the Keating flyover); lowest 23.5 (1999/00); last 5 = 24.5 (5 years through 2006/7). Last year in office (2006/7) = 23.9, or if you prefer (2007/8) = 23.8.

                                                                        Rudd /Gillard >> highest 26.3 (2009/10; lowest 23.8 (2007/8, going out of office benefit /legacy of the Howard /Costello government); last 5 = 25.7 (through 2012/13); next 5 forecast, including 2012/13 (the last legacy of Swan) = 24.7, assuming that his figures were to ever hold up. Most recent 92012/13) = 25.1.

                                                                        Either way, unlike over at #Auspol twitterati (where they are suggesting that the swan expenditures are 23.8% of GDP, no more), the Swan legacy is actually 1.3 points of GDP higher on average than the corresponding legacy of Costello. That's the near $20 billion per annum costing difference between these 2 peculiarly different styles of government.

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Grant
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Mitcham
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
                                                                        • OMG Grant. Next you'll be saying that maybe Uncle Wayne has no idea what he is doing. Who would have thought?
                                                                          Oh well at least he'll have us back in surplus by (insert fictional future year here)

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Slick
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
                                                                        • The 'twitterati' are confused between the tax to GDP ratio and spending to GDP ratio. Swan's tax take is relatively low, but this is because he's financing much of his spending by borrowing.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Aaron
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                                        • ....and Howard/Costello paid back $90BN of Keating debt, $20BN surplus and $60BN into sovereign fund to boot !!

                                                                          Mind you, this is nickel-and-diming as far as the spending abilities of this idiotic Labour Govt. are concerned !!

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Richard
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Sydney
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
                                                                        • The net combined surpluses under the Coalition, even allowing for the Future Fund, tax cuts, etc, exceeded $96 billion. In half the corresponding time since then, Labor has lost (created a combined deficit) of $201 billion without even counting for the NBN, etc. Back in 1996, Howard had to make do on $141 billion in revenue. Today, however, Swan and Gillard cannot make do on $400 billion. They're still in deficit. Now that's a near tripling in revenue, yet not that many people will have experienced a tripling in their wages or salaries, since then. Purely and simply, this is about economic mis-management, an inability to spend within one's means, to scrutinise and assess future spending decisions before they are incurred, to efficiently manage the economy. To this day, there still has been no cost benefit analysis or anything in the slightest, regarding the NBN, or any number of "off the cuff" projects aed over time by the Government.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          Grant
                                                                          Location
                                                                          Mitcham
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 3:20PM
                                                                        • Grant,
                                                                          As always, biassed statistics, ...now look at the revenue side, Government revenues under HC 25.4% of GDP, while under RGS 23% .... so on the face of it that Howard / Costello ripped more into the government coffers than labor . But then, neither the revenues nor expenditures mean much unless looked in the context of the whole economy. And a better measure of that is total debt (government, business and private) which for the first time in twenty years is not going up.

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          colin
                                                                          Location
                                                                          melbourne
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 3:33PM
                                                                      • All the Libs have to do is watch Labour self-destruct; give them 10 years and they may be back, maybe.......

                                                                        Commenter
                                                                        Magnus
                                                                        Location
                                                                        Abbotsford
                                                                        Date and time
                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
                                                                        • I don't know what polls those who say women will desert Rudd because they love Gillard are reading. I have a wide circle and I don't know one woman who thinks Gillard has done other than a huge disservice to women in powerful roles by her incompetence and single minded self serving ruthlessness in seizing power by underhanded means and refusing to relinquish it in spite of advice to the contrary

                                                                          Commenter
                                                                          helenB
                                                                          Date and time
                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
                                                                          • How embarrassing for the media, should this whole effort to bring Rudd back fail. The media were a big factor in getting Rudd in when they wanted Howard gone. Then were caught out when Gillard took over. They tried to get her out, but she somehow won the majority of votes at the last election (& formed government with the indies). The media are trying to influence everything again, but Labor seems to be riding out the waves of propaganda. Latika Bourke has reported that she has not found one Labor politician that has seen the suggested petition. Someone has to have the story wrong? When are the media going to move on & actually give a fair & balanced review on everything? Who is influencing the direction of the media? Gina, Rupert?

                                                                            Commenter
                                                                            Rob
                                                                            Location
                                                                            Lidcombe
                                                                            Date and time
                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:29PM
                                                                            • I hear Altona's CWA are looking for a strong, feisty knitter to help with their next fundraiser.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              enough is enough
                                                                              Location
                                                                              Labor party/Greens La La Land
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
                                                                              • Comic genius... stop it my sides are aching.
                                                                                What will you whinge about in this forum for the next 3 years if TA gets in? Or will you hang up your keyboard?

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Enough of enough is enough
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 4:57PM
                                                                            • I trust Rudd ahead of Julia and Abbott, alas they are all puppets of their party. If Rudd is in, then Rudd over Abbott. Malcolm contests as Abbotts polls drop, Malcolm in for PM.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              GoRudd
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
                                                                              • @GoRudd

                                                                                You're backing the wrong horse. Rudd is the axe in the "Break in case of electoral emergency" box. As soon as he fulfills his usefulness he'll be on the backbenches faster than you can say "3,000 boat people a week?".

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Perth
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
                                                                            • A question about the price on carbon? Is T.A. serious? Doesn't he have anything of substance to add to this last week of parliament? Maybe he could announce a policy or two instead of harping on about a 'tax' that never was and didn't cause the mayhem he promised.

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Rob68
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
                                                                              • It called "death by a thousand cuts" - old Chinese proverb

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                gc
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                                              • It is question time, you know.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
                                                                            • PLEASE - leave her there - I want to do it!!

                                                                              Commenter
                                                                              Rose of Castile
                                                                              Date and time
                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
                                                                              • Apparently the information line at the Politician's Superannuation Trustees office has crashed due to unprecedented demand.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                enough is enough
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Labor party/Greens La La Land
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:24PM
                                                                                • I wonder why?

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  MES
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                                              • As a member of the labor party, I seriously question Kevin Rudds judgment and his ability to govern after the way he has conducted himself for some time. It unfortunately has been all about Kevin, rather than the Party. And because his judgement appears to be seriously flawed - I will not vote for him if he is reinstated - and I will not campaign for him.

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Victorian voter.
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Flemington, Victoria.
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:23PM
                                                                                • And I am a Labor member who will not vote or campaign for Gillard

                                                                                  And this is the quandary we are in. At least Rudd was popularly elected,

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Mark
                                                                                  Location
                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:34PM
                                                                                • Kevin Rudd may be exploiting the problem, but he didn't create it. There would have been no challenges had Julia and her team not made such a hash of everything. Caucus has had opportunities to admit their error and reinstate Rudd. They have, inexplicably, refused to do this.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  AdamC
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:36PM
                                                                                • And you think Julia is not all about Julia? She can't even refer to herself without saying "I am the Prime Minister of Australia" or "As Prime Minister of Australia I have decided..". Notice the singular use of the word "I" instead of the use of "As the government of Australia WE have decided". As my teenage daughter would say: Shut up already!!

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  Art
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                                • As was PM Gillard who won the last election abet with a small majority but LNP supporters have no familiarity with factual arguments

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  AustraliaFirst
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                                              • Gillard has guts, she is what she is and play a straight bat - she's has whimps and weazels for collegues.

                                                                                If Rudd makes make another run at the leadership then I could never trust anything he says again.

                                                                                This smacks of someone trying to exact revenge and not actually caring what governing the country...

                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                Dvaid
                                                                                Location
                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
                                                                                • Why would anyone want to be the captain of the Titanic in its final hour is beyond belief. RUDD don't do it. Let it sink to the bottom with Gillard n co in it please.

                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                  EA
                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
                                                                                  • Is there a strategy to burn both Gillard (by losing leadership to Rudd) and Rudd (by losing election as leader) to introduce a new leader?

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    johf
                                                                                    Location
                                                                                    sydney
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
                                                                                    • Yep, Bill Shorten.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Scooter
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Kam Berra
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
                                                                                    • Why wouldn't Bill want to let these two just cut and each other and just pick up the pieces after the election ?

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Bill & Ben
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Weeds
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                                  • Will be a shame if Gillard goes. Economy the envy of the world, AAA credit rating, action on climate change, long overdue education reforms. All achieved in the context of a hung Parliament. Sure she's made mistakes but she's light-years from being our "worst PM". Can't see any woman putting their hand up for this job for a while.

                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                    Richo
                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
                                                                                      • Yep, real shame; five $20-40b budget deficits and $250 billion in debt racked up in six years. Even my grandchildren will remember her, because they'll still be paying for her incompetency

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Slick
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
                                                                                      • @ Slick, it is more probable that your grandchildren will pay for your own financial management than that of the government's.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Barnacle
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                                      • Agree totally!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Melinda-Lee
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        New Zealand
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:42PM
                                                                                      • Richo, working in the markets here in HK the Australian Economy actually ain't all that crash hot. It's heading for a major correction next year and recession looms, maybe that's why the ALP doesn't really give a tikers cuss about retaining Government.....

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Fanta Pants
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Hong Kong
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:51PM
                                                                                      • @Fanta Pants, correct. Labor doesn't want any economic negativity 'on their watch' so that when they get into opposition and the Australian economy goes into downturn (which it is) they can blame it on the Coalition because it happened 'on their watch'. No talk of the coming recession or the Chinese credit crunch which will wipe out many mum and dad investors I mean property barons, nope - leave that for the Coalition to deal with

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        panda
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        perth
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:59PM
                                                                                    • ABSOLUTELY NOT!...You cannot simply put a new leader into the election to simply win an eletion and keep your job. That is not how things are meant to be done. You cannot have Rudd win the lection and simply then remove him a short time later and replace him again so that a bunch of fatcats can keep their job. The Usurper Gillard has failed miserably. Im no Tony lover, i think he sucks, but Democracy is under attack at the moment and this is where the safeguard of the GG should step up and state that if Rudd becomes leader, we go to an immediate election and Rudd is disqualified from running.

                                                                                      Australians, Protect your DEMOCRACY now.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      Steve
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      SYdney somewhere
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
                                                                                      • don't quite understand the emotion of this post....there's an election coming regardless so the people will have their say.....democracy is not under attack....in fact quite the opposite - it's the polls based on what the people think that have driven this leadership crisis

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        nickcolesoz
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
                                                                                      • Huh?
                                                                                        Rudd disqualified from running? Yes, that's democracy right there...

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        MrT
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                                      • @Altered

                                                                                        Sure, no problem.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Sanjit in IT
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        457 Visas R Us
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                                                                                    • I see Ruddy has his bluest tie on! This is the best day..(since March).

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Brisbane
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:18PM
                                                                                      • It's certainly exciting. Spare a thought for some though like WW, who's taking it all pretty hard.

                                                                                        Even sarajane's cheering on the challengers, how times change.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Hacka
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:25PM
                                                                                      • He's worn a blue tie in every photo I've seen since Gillard amde that speech. Makes you wonder about the kind of person he actaully is?

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Craig
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Collingwood
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:10PM
                                                                                    • I bet QE11 is waiting for a phone call seeking advice. This is the untold secret story that only the chosen few will know. The race to meet the GG will be like the Formula One race has come to Canberra. Car 01 - Gillard; Car 07 - Rudd; Car 99 - Abbott; Minivan 89 (with backpacker crude language) - independents/Greens/Katter blowing smoke at the rear of the grid.

                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                      enough is enough
                                                                                      Location
                                                                                      Labor party/Greens La La Land
                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                                                      • I used to live in Victoria when Labor was in opposition and seemed determined to stay there. The behaviour of member there is largely reminiscent (not identical) of what is happening now!
                                                                                        I also feel compelled to comment on some of the earlier posts here too.
                                                                                        1)This is exactly the Parliament Australians voted for.
                                                                                        2)When both party leaders were negotiating after the election they both were prepared to go ahead with a carbon tax.
                                                                                        3)When you hold the balance of power like the independents do they are able to gain significant benefits for their electorate - it was the same in Queensland when Liz Cunningham in Gladstone did.
                                                                                        4)Unless people are incredibly mobile we as voters do not elect the Prime Minister or the Treasurer or any of the Ministers. We don't even get to elect the Leader of the Opposition or any of the Shadow Ministers!!!

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        Parsimony
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                                                        • All perfectly correct, but in the current climate you are blowing against a hurricane. You may as well be arguing that policy should be more important than politics - nice thoughts, but not going to happen. Those that matter in Australia smell blood and won't be satisfied until they have it. Rational thoughts have nothing to do with it.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Bob
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                                      • I will vote for Kevin but I will not vote for Julia. Julia Gillard wanting a show of hands instead of a secret ballot is intimidation and an attack on democracy. I think it is really clear now that she & the unions had planned to stab Kevin in the back all along. They used him to win the election and then kicked him out. Good luck Kevin hope you lead the ALP to the elections in Sept.

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        From SA
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                        • This is what I heard as well...show of hands in a leadership ballot?. Beggars belief..Why..well, we all know why don't we.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
                                                                                      • - Shortens switch to the blue tie club was revealed exclusively on the Pulse Yesterday.
                                                                                        - It is on like Donkey kong, Julia is already gone like last weeks pay, Her side door entrance to QT tells.
                                                                                        - Swan knew yesterday so did the indys. As these things are always organised by people outside the parliment. Swanns outragous remarks yesterday in QT make sence now.. It was his last ever chance to have a go and he knew it...

                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                        CWitty
                                                                                        Location
                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                        • Australia wants to vote Julia out. It is the only way the country can heal and move on. We have nothing left, don't take this away from us! Please leave Julia at the helm so we can push her onto her sword!!

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          panda
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          perth
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                                                          • Where, where?

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Perth
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                          • Support absolutely!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Gladesville
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Gladesville NSW
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:27PM
                                                                                          • Correction: stupid, prejudiced, greedy Australians want to vote Julia out.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Fed Up
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:28PM
                                                                                        • If Rudd gest the nod over Julia, then be very afraid, as there is a very good chance that he will win the election. He would only get back in the race if he was 100% confident, so he knows something that noone else does. This country is suffering badly under Labor, and things will only get worse before they get better. Recession next year, more Labor wasteful spending (probably spend another $14 bill fixing up the shoddy workmanship from the BER ) etc. I feel for the Australian public as this whole mess is a joke and we desrve better.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Anti Ruddster
                                                                                          Location
                                                                                          Under a rock
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
                                                                                          • yes...and it was Rudd who did all the waste, not Julia....she was very responsible

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            JT
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                          • That's what Rudd is counting on, the stupidity of the Australian Electorate. Somehow he thinks screaming school kids in a shopping mall transfers into turning around an approval rating for the ALP to the tune of +30%, he is delusional and he's counting on a large portion of the Australian Electorate being just as, if not more delusional.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Fanta Pants
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Hong Kong
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
                                                                                        • Love the innaccurate reporting of Shorten's position. Is there no attempt to go beyond what you're being fed from the Ruddites? Especially after the reporting of the last spill that never was.

                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                          Jj81
                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:09PM
                                                                                          • If Rudd wins that's the end of Labor for decades women voters will desert Labor.I will vote informal in my blue ribbon Liberal electorate

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            donsms1
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:07PM
                                                                                            • Democracy in action
                                                                                              Thank you for participating.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Louis Cypher
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                            • If you vote informal, you give up the right to critcise on the government.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Steve
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Lesmurdie WA
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:30PM
                                                                                            • Straw Poll

                                                                                              I am a lifelong Labor voter.

                                                                                              I will not vote for Gillard led Labor
                                                                                              I will vote for Rudd led Labor

                                                                                              Anyone else?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Mark S
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Melbourne
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:31PM
                                                                                            • I voted for labour in the last election because KR was projected as a PM and not JG. She backstabbed him. First time in more then twenty years Iwill not be voting for labour if JG is leader. In that case I will vote for independent because Tony Abbott is even a bigger calamity.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              xyz
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:06PM
                                                                                            • xyz, if you last voted in 2007 then that's ok but in 2010 Julia Gillard went to the election as PM.

                                                                                              I can understand if you're disillusioned, but at least get the sequence of events correct. Gillard PM June 2010, election August 2010, Gillard returned in minority government September 2010 (after the negotiations). At no point has Kevin Rudd been Prime Minister since the last election. At least, not at time of posting

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              kaff
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:49PM
                                                                                          • All of the ALP members who are criticising Rudd on smh and elsewhere are playing into the hands of the Tories.

                                                                                            Word of advice: keep quiet until we know the result tomorrow. If Rudd's the PM then support him: that is, unless you want to see Tony Abbott become PM in September.

                                                                                            I sure as hell don't.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            innerwestchick
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:05PM
                                                                                            • A vote for Labor is a vote for the people smugglers.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Perth
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
                                                                                          • Stephanie, the Governor-General, Quentin Bryce has a long history of public service of the highest ethics and integrity.

                                                                                            Yet the supporters of the Opposition in these columns are implying (because they are too gutless to say outright) that as the mother-in-law of Bill Shorten, she will take into account his political interests in the exercise of her responsibilities.

                                                                                            There is no better example of the way that honest and honourable political discussion has been trashed by this Opposition, its leaders and its supporters than this sheer vicious nastiness.

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:04PM
                                                                                            • Stop acting like a wet blanket WW, we're all having a day out at the races, just enjoy it while you can.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              SteveH.
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
                                                                                            • Are you seriously suggesting that if Bill were to some how get up as PM that there is no conflict of interest? Regardless of her ethics and contribution - and I agree they are solid - the optics would be horrible. Perception does matter.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              brian
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                                                                                            • I would advise you against making such generalisations based on online commentary. I support the Liberal Party, but I admire the GG and do not believe she would act in an unethical way at all. She is a wonderful person. Why make such generalisations?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Bianca
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Camden
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:22PM
                                                                                            • I am amazed that people put so much trust in the GG. Humans are hardwired to be self-interested, whether or not they are aware or not.

                                                                                              Why the faith in the GG? "Aww, you know. She seems like a top sort, ay!"

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              do you get it?
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                                            • WW: From another esteemed Fairfax writer:

                                                                                              5. Bill Shorten emerges as a "circuit breaker" leader
                                                                                              As the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, the Governor-General would be cornered by a perceived conflict of interest. Ms Twomey said: "The Governor-General would have the trust of the people but the perception of a conflict of interest would be too great. She would probably have to leave the country and appoint Marie Bashir as the governor of the largest state [NSW] to do her job.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              brian
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 3:56PM
                                                                                          • Do you seriously think the GG will install Abbott as care taker PM and then sit down to dinner with little Billy "where's my pie" Shorten? No way! Not in this lifetime or the next one either!

                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                            Apollyon
                                                                                            Location
                                                                                            Berwick
                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:04PM
                                                                                            • Gillard is Gonski.

                                                                                              Unoriginal, I know.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Perth
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                                                              • Well, you said it.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Julie
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                                                                                            • If they truly believed in their principles and the future of this nation they would end this whole farcical situation and call an election now. Put us all out of our collective misery and get back to focussing on the things that matter ...ensuring that our hospitals are funded, build the infrastructure that we need and managing our debt.

                                                                                              Sadly though self interest and indulgence of oversized egos will mean that we are stuck in this twilight zone for which there seems no end.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Dachfi
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                                                              • If they truly believed in their principles and the future of this nation they would get on with reforming education funding, doing something about carbon emissions, and supporting those with disability ... oh yes, they've done that.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Robynski
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                                            • Amazing that Gillard and Rudd are so passionate about wanting to be the Opposition Leader after September. The damage has been done to Labour and they will be decimated at the election - Australians aren't stupid (generally) and don't want such a dyfunctional party in Government. As you said, Abbott just has to sit back and watch it all happen - and will be swept into power with a sizeable majority come September.

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Dave
                                                                                              Location
                                                                                              Brisbane
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                                                              • Ha, all the scared little Tory's it's fun to watch this. Never read so much rubbish. And to guys like " Commando " well I guess the name speaks for itself. The polling showed Windsor a neck ahead in New England, but hey why let the facts get in the place of a good story. This last three years has surely been the lowest ebb in Australian Politics since Federation. Lemmings to the cliff!

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                JOHN
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                MCKINNON
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:28PM
                                                                                            • Hope your proud of yourselves Labor. This is a disgrace for a Government!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Lyn
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                                                              • Don't worry Lyn.

                                                                                                The Gonski package which was passed today should help with YOUR spelling and grammar.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                FFS
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
                                                                                              • @FFS

                                                                                                "Don't worry Lyn.

                                                                                                The Gonski package which was passed today should help with YOUR spelling and grammar."

                                                                                                ..and yet, Lyn is smarter than you. Go figure.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Perth
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:45PM
                                                                                            • But of course Paul June 26, 2013, 10:21AM getting NBN, better education, better Disability support etc that people like Paul would use and that The Liberals helped passed.

                                                                                              But of course The Gillard Government is in rabble and attempting to run this country for the past three years?

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              keith
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 1:59PM
                                                                                              • NBN has not been delivered.. It is ten years away.
                                                                                                Better education... hasn't been delivered, show me where.

                                                                                                The disability plan is this governments only true reform.

                                                                                                They havn't run the country. All they have truly worried about is themselves.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Steve
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Lesmurdie WA
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
                                                                                              • Steve:
                                                                                                "NBN has not been delivered.. It is ten years away."
                                                                                                Actually, given the likely election result, that should be never.
                                                                                                "Better education... hasn't been delivered, show me where."
                                                                                                Well, guaranteed to be cancelled post election also. Abbott has said already he will can Gonski reforms.
                                                                                                "
                                                                                                The disability plan is this governments only true reform."
                                                                                                I expect this to be found to be unaffordable post September also.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Goresh
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 3:02PM
                                                                                            • Oh no,it will be a disaster if Rudd comes back!!..The media will actually have to focus on POLICIES instead of leaderships!!

                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                              Steeden
                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
                                                                                              • After the next election can we also get rid off the current GG who is sitting pretty watching the country being destroyed by incompetence, stupidity and internal fighting of the Labor apparatchiks. Isn't her duty to make sure that the government acts in the best interest of the country rather than PM spending hours making silly propaganda photos to satisfy the PM ego?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Tom
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
                                                                                                • No - her duty is clear from the constitution and convention. She cant dismiss a government who has the confidence of the lower house just because some angry yobbos dont like it

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Jimmy G
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                                • I'm always bemused by "the country being destroyed". In what way? Like Zimbabwe was, or like the sack of Rome? Or maybe we just get so used to hyperbole, personal abuse and political agendas to see that things haven't changed that much in the last decade except that more people have flat screen TVs.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Dafydd
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:35PM
                                                                                                • Tom

                                                                                                  Unless there is a no confidence motion put to the parliament and that motion passes, the GG has her hands tie. She can't just sack the Govenment.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Steve
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Lesmurdie WA
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:37PM
                                                                                              • I think today will be a good day for Tony Abbott to produce his motion of No Confidence in the government immediately Question Time starts.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Rosie
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                                                                • Two problems :
                                                                                                  (i) Abbott is too cowardly to do this
                                                                                                  (ii) It would fail

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Jimmy G
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:12PM
                                                                                                • Yes, go for it Tony, let's have the election now, then we can get on without all this distraction for three more months.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Norm
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Maroubra
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:18PM
                                                                                                • Three problems: 3. Abbott's not silly enough to get involved whilst the Labor party is very effectively destroying itself.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Sammy B
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:29PM
                                                                                                • You expect the loser to vote they have confidence in the winner? Abstain and the house of cards falls down

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Peterwalker58
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 7:02PM
                                                                                              • Is it possible to put a return to top of page button underneath the comment window? It would be much appreciated.

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Altered
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Esperance
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                                                                • @Altered

                                                                                                  Sure, no problem.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Sanjit in IT
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  457 Visas R Us
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                                                                                              • Would Abbott be crazy enough to go for a no-confidence motion in Question Time ?

                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                                                                • 457 is a disaster. The employers including govt corporations have abused it while local people remain unemployed.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  xyz
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                                                                  • Get real where is the evidence of so called abuse. The Minister even admitted to exaggerating the so called "abuse" of the process. This is just a smoke screen to cover the fact that retail and manufacturing sectors have been decimated over the last three years.. just have a look at the number of closures that have occurred over the last twelve months.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Dachfi
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
                                                                                                  • I work in IT industry and I see abuse of 457 visa everyday.There is no shortage of IT skills here. There positions are being take up by overseas professionals :
                                                                                                    http://www.zdnet.com/au/gillard-slams-it-industry-for-457-visa-abuse-7000012579/

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    itp
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:48PM
                                                                                                • Julia should stand her ground. It is vitally important for the people of Australia that she gets kicked out at the ballot box. Then the healing can begin.

                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                  Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                  Perth
                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:54PM
                                                                                                  • Rudd supporters wanting him as Labor Leader is translated to say they want The Liberals in Government and Abbott as PM.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    keith
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
                                                                                                    • Keith, I think an Abbott govt is inevitable now. With Rudd, the ALP will have 60 MHRs.... with Gillard the ALP will have 30 MHRs.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      tom
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                                                                    • KEITH, wake up mate. Gillard is handing Abbott government on a platter.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      EA
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:15PM
                                                                                                    • the first thing Rudd did on becoming Prime Minister was help the pensioners out..they have for the most forgotten..10 years of Howard..no help there..surely they will remember Rudd with respect and affection...i know i do

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      dieseldoc
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 5:13PM
                                                                                                  • If Rudd gets in, opportunity for the Coalition to replace Abbott with Turnbull then the majority of the electors will get to vote for who they want. Even ALP voters see Malcolm as preferred PM. After this ALP soap opera who would have any faith in their ability to lead a nation? It's a pity because Gillard is a better PM than Rudd ever was, Gary Gray was right about that. But their achievements have been invisible because of the ego competition going on here. The true tragedy of the ALP is that they can only see the PM being one or the other. I hope they prove capable of something better and a third person nominates to allow them to vote for neither.

                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                    Bronwyn
                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
                                                                                                      • I doubt it. The Labor branding is toxic under Gillard or Rudd and it's too late for even little Kev to change that. Plus he'll be inheriting a fractured party.

                                                                                                        No need for the Libs to lower themselves into the fracus, they can still just coast through to the finish line.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        mtown
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:06PM
                                                                                                      • Bronwyn, why would the Lib's dump TA. He has led them brilliantly to the cusp of government. When MT was leader Labor was ahead 60-40.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        mh
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                                                                      • Simple MH. The suggestions are that if Rudd gets back he may get closer to the 50%, or at the very least prevent adisaster for LP. But if Turnbull is Coalition leader then the victory will be as great against Rudd as Abbott will be against Gillard. Don't forget that Turnbull was voted by ALP supporters as the PM they'd most like to have.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Bronwyn
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                                                      • Exactly Bronnie! Thats why you stick with TA. You don't elect who your opp wants. You elect who your supporters want. Dont get me wrong I am a massive MT fan but TA has earnt it.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        mh
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:18PM
                                                                                                      • Abbott is not all that popular, he's just more popular than Gillard. If you were a party strategist, why wouldn't you put in Turnbull with a 60% plus approval rating and get a pretty much certain 2 terms as opposed to Abbott who will only be assured of 1 term? If they don't bring back Turnbull it will still need a miracle for them to lose, but Abbott is still a liability. At the moment the 'Drovers Dog' will win. If I were Coalition my druthers would still be maximise the win with Turnbull. They are fools if they don't.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Bronwyn
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:39PM
                                                                                                    • Rob Oakeshott said this morning on ABC radio that he is not interested in personalities.

                                                                                                      Neither Kevin Rudd nor Tony Abbott has elicited any policy positions for consideration of his support.

                                                                                                      Fran Kelly continued on about leadership issues and he said, you have not listened to me, I am not interested in personalities, if someone wants my support then provide me with details of your vision for the country and what you are going to do to get there.

                                                                                                      Both Kevin and Tony have shown that they are interested only in the power attached to the Prime Minister's role. To them it is only about the status that will attach to them if they are in that role.

                                                                                                      Neither man is deserving of being Prime Minister and both would do us all a favor if they resigned.

                                                                                                      Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott should be acknowledged for their courageous behavior and achievements over the past three years.

                                                                                                      Well done guys and good luck for the future.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      fairdinkum
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      NSW
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
                                                                                                      • Spot on....glad to hear somebody else knows what's going on rather than listening to all this populist dribble.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        JT
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                                                                      • So true! I cannot believe the sheep mentality of Australians who are willing to support poor old dejected Kevin Rudd with their pity vote.

                                                                                                        He's an egomaniac , equally rivalled by Tony Abbott. They both should be ashamed of their behaviour.

                                                                                                        I hope they both disappear from our Parliament very soon. The country will be better for it.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Game of Thrones
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Country NSW
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:20PM
                                                                                                      • Rob Oakshot likes the sound of his own voice. Has he actually spokent to either Kevin or Tony, I doubt it. ANd he is only quiting because he knows he would get towled at ballot for supporting a self centred, self destructing Labor party.

                                                                                                        He is a coward

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Steve
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Lesmurdie WA
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:40PM
                                                                                                    • I cannot think of a more undeserving leader and thus PM than Mr Rudd;. If we want our leader of our proud nation to be so self focused and devious as this man then by all means vote for him.

                                                                                                      Why trust the ALP when the only reason that they will change leaders (if they do) is to save their seats. If they were a functional team, they would be reelected without all this commotion.

                                                                                                      A headless chook would be a better choice for PM than this Labor mob.

                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                      James
                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                      Kootingal
                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:52PM
                                                                                                      • Only Kevin Rudd can save us from a calamity called Tony Abbott. He is like a bull in the china shop. Julia Gillard is stubborn and destroying the labour party after destroying the financial health of the coutry.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        xyz
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
                                                                                                        • Rudd has destroyed the labor party. He has used every tactic to white ant it for the last 3 years because he stood down instead of taking it to a spill. He has a serious case of sour grapes and wants to ruin it for everyone else.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Chinpy
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                                                                        • Have you been completely oblivious to what the rest of the world is experiencing? Time and again commentators from overseas and some here in Oz have said we have an economy that the rest of the 1st world would die for, but people like you swallow this ridiculous line over and again that we are in trouble. While there may be difficulties ahead, as we aren't immune to markets around the globe, we have done brilliantly during and psot GFC. You may not like Gillard but stop misrepresenting what state we are in.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Kerry
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Melbourne
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
                                                                                                        • The financial health of the country is terrific compared to other developed countries. The counter view is a myth constantly being spun by conservatives and repeated by ignorant electors.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Charlie Zero
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
                                                                                                        • Kerry

                                                                                                          You are so wrong. Our economy is in tatters. Only the mining sector is in the black. The rest of it is in the red. Ofcourse other countries would be evious because they are in a worse condition.

                                                                                                          There are economies out there in far better shape then ours and they don't own the world a cent.

                                                                                                          Stop looking through labor coloured glasses and do some research!

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Steve
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Lesmurdie WA
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:44PM
                                                                                                      • "Meanwhile the government's education reforms - which change the ways schools are funded - have just passed the Senate."

                                                                                                        And therein lies the problem. The great work of this parliament, is lost in the white noise.

                                                                                                        The media is to blame, for fanning the flames of a story that was extinguished twice before.

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        YeahNah
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                                                                        • A pity when bold reforms are barely noticed because of static over leadership. The business of government isn't sexy enough for the media, everything now has to be a contrived relaity show with faux-villains and contestants being voted off.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Cap'n Morgan
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
                                                                                                        • Yep, past in how many minutes? That's Labor style democracy for you?

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 2:13PM
                                                                                                      • Is there such a thing as a kangaroo parliament?

                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                        Megan
                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                                                                        • So Rudds reward for 3 years and 6 months of white-anting the leader of his party is to be given the Prime Ministership - amazing.

                                                                                                          I wonder if Krudd is expecting the same loyalty he has shown.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          kp
                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                          brisbane
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                                                                          • The same that was shown him back in 2010 when he was ambushed

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            GJS
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                                                                          • It's called karma, or payback for the knife sticking out his back. You reap what you sow.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Bacchus
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:55PM
                                                                                                          • She has had plenty of clear air to get her message over kp but no one is listening anymore. She is a poor communicator who has made too many bad calls even if she has made made some good ones. Rudd may have been disloyal to her but she was the first one to be disloyal. He deserved better from her also.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Altered
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Esperance
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                                                                          • Just saying, she threw the first dagger so per say. As much as our political system is based on Westminster tradition, it really is an American styled presidential thing to the public - and the knifing of a current standing leader was the worst thing Labor could of ever done.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Jacob
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:09PM
                                                                                                        • Personally I think Gillard is right: it is all to do with the sexist attitude of those MEN?

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Pen of hrba
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                                                                                          • Men Rule , Women knit- it is the nature of things

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            gc
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:05PM
                                                                                                          • Agree Pen of hrba

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            Melinda-Lee
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            Auckland New Zealand
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
                                                                                                        • Well , one way or another , Abbott's world's longest dummy spit is coming to an end , and despite his best efforts, he has not been able to wreck the reform program

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Jimmy G
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                                                                                          • I think Krudd has had a longer dummy spit - 3 years and 6 months.

                                                                                                            Abbott has now taken down two PM's, while keeping a united and focussed front bench. Abbott is the rson to lead Australia.

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            kp
                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                            brisbane
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:06PM
                                                                                                        • Does this slow motion train wreck ever end. It is as if the primary intention of Rudd and Gillard is to destroy the Labor party as a viable entity in Australian politics. I suspect most Australians abhore both these egomaniacs.

                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                          Jollyjumbuck
                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
                                                                                                          • Petition...what petition? Maybe the media should officially run the country? A referendum anybody?

                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                            JT
                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                            • So who can trust who now?

                                                                                                              Can Rudd trust Shorten --sure !!!!!!
                                                                                                              Can Shorten trust Rudd- Sure!!!!

                                                                                                              Can voters trust Shorten after stabbing Two PM's now?--sure!!!

                                                                                                              Can voters trust Rudd given his deplorable behaviour --sure!!!

                                                                                                              What a rabble, what a bunch of self serving twits
                                                                                                              ALP voters should be embarrassed for being taken for such fools

                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                              paulk
                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                              melbourne
                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                              • Will the GG keep her son-in-law in the job or not?

                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                brian
                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:41PM
                                                                                                                • Is anyone running the country?

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  EJ10011
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:39PM
                                                                                                                  • Same as it has been since 2010 - NO !

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    gc
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:42PM
                                                                                                                  • Yes I am, and Hacka is 2IC,

                                                                                                                    so you can all relax now.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    SteveH.
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                                  • Yes, Stephanie is!

                                                                                                                    Thanks Stephanie.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Sharron
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    The Land of Rudd
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:47PM
                                                                                                                  • Rightyo. First order of business is to ban all red underpants and Springsteen albums.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Hacka
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
                                                                                                                  • Certainly. I'm ready to man the b......t meter.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Louis Cypher
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:08PM
                                                                                                                • If Rudd fails, he should be expelled from the Labor party.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  YeahNah
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                                                                                  • yes and make it effective immediately ...

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    juileep
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
                                                                                                                  • Rudd has clean hands on this one His supporters are pushing his barrow I am waiting for the dead cat bounce no matter what the outcome

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Peterwalker58
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:02PM
                                                                                                                  • Yep, let's aim for zero seats after the election. Genius !!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Baysider
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sandgate
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:03PM
                                                                                                                  • Good idea..then we could have an election, stat.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Brisbane
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:32PM
                                                                                                                  • I'm a Labor voter or was, they have just lost me with this latest shamozzel. B.....Rudd, and Ms Gillard are both wasting my time and that of the country, time Abbott went for a no confidence in Government and dissolved parliament, time for a double dissolution.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Poor show
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 3:03PM
                                                                                                                • I want Julia to remain as PM until the election in September. Then I want to be able to roll up to my polling booth wearing my blue tie to vote her government out

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Steve F
                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                  MNC
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                                                                                  • You and 11,000,000 others I would hope!

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Liberator
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    SEQLD
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                                                                                  • Steve, I don't know where MNC is, but unless its somewhere near Werribee or Altona, ie within the boundary of the seat of Lalor, you don't have much chance of voting against her. You can only vote against the Labor candidate in your electorate.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Lippy Queen
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
                                                                                                                  • Speak for yourself Liberator. Not for me. I'm not a Liberal voter sheep.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    pol
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:03PM
                                                                                                                • This is just stupidity. Whatever Labor thinks they will gain by ousting Gillard for Rudd will be lost in the Gillard supporters vote, of which there are many, many thousands. Especially women. I'm sure The rAge and Australian are congratulating themselves mightily for engineering this whole disaster. The whole lot of them are pathetic, including this paper.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Code Red
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:36PM
                                                                                                                  • Really? You believe anyone still supporting Gillard through this farcical state of affairs will be voting Liberal? They'll be voting Labor regardless. The aim is to secure the additional votes that Gillard has lost, and Rudd stands to bring to the party. If this works, and if Labor wins the next election, I'm moving back to NZ.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Perth
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
                                                                                                                  • So Code Red you think that Labor women voters are going to vote against Rudd even if that means Abbott wins ?

                                                                                                                    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahh

                                                                                                                    that's the comment of the day !

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    havasay
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
                                                                                                                  • I agree CodeRed - this kind of farce is what comes of having a right-wing press monopoly in this country. Abbott gets a free ride all the way to the election - no media scrutiny of his right-wing policies ever, zip. The press just report whatever Labor-bashing vitriole they are fed by the Tories....but then they would wouldn't they, they know who's paying their wages. If Australians vote for Tory Tony and his Cronies they'll be the laughing stock of the world. Hey, they voted this bloke in even though he's promised them nothing, except to take Australia back to the 19th Century and derail any progressive policies put in place by the Labor Party. The Libs represent the interests of the privileged few and you far-from-privileged suckers are going to vote for them?? Wake up people. Elections should be about policies not personalities.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    MikeS
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 6:05PM
                                                                                                                • Truly pathetic. I cannot believe anyone would vote for these idiots.

                                                                                                                  I like the Labor party's policies but they are a bunch of clowns.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Dirk
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:34PM
                                                                                                                  • @Dirk

                                                                                                                    You like their border protection policies?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Malik the magic sheep
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Perth
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                                                                                  • Malik, their border policy stinks but no more or less than your rabble who set it up in the first place. I look forward to the utter failure of Morrison and your acknowledgement and apology of same.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    eyeroll
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Sydney
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:19PM
                                                                                                                  • No Malik. I missed using the word "some", as in some of their policies NDIS etc

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Dirk
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
                                                                                                                • So Rudd thinks he has Shorten in his pocket, what if Shorten is fibbing? Only a vote will spell the truth.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  Kick
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                                                                                  • Interesting comment Kick. The look on Shortens face in 1.26 is very ambiguous. It really could be one of 'Got you!' for sure. I hope not, Rudd unfortunately is Labor's only chance of avoiding political annihilation in September.

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Altered
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Esperance
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:53PM
                                                                                                                • What's happened to all the lefty claims that there is no leadership tension that it's all a figment of the mind of the Murdoch press?
                                                                                                                  Only a very small minority of Australians want this incompetent lot but that minority sure have loud voices.

                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                  killerbee
                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                                                                                    • Perhaps "the lefty clowns "are waiting for a petition to be written or indeed any evidence there is a move against PM Gillard and its not just more of conservative Gov drivel

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      AustraliaFirst
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                                    • Spot on!

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Lyn
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                                    • Small minority?
                                                                                                                      The ALP received 50.1% of the two-party vote across Australia at the last election and the coalition 49.9%. That may not have translated to a majority of seats, but just over half of the country voted them in. (I wasnt one of them)

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Big Noddy
                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                      Glebe
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
                                                                                                                  • In the Live Coverage photo Kevin Rudd appears to be very indecisive or is he just sublimating a sudden urge for wax morsel?

                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                    Arthur McKenzie
                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                    Canberra
                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
                                                                                                                    • What's the betting that it all happens during State of Origin? Mr Waterhouse, odds please!

                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                      Neale
                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
                                                                                                                      • I really want to upload a Jaws sound file into the comments...haha

                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                        Comedian
                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                        NSW
                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:30PM
                                                                                                                        • I want to see labor totally wiped out at the election, dont take away our joy.

                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                          please keep gillard
                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:28PM
                                                                                                                          • There's no reason why we can;t still make that happen

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            Onno
                                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 2:16PM
                                                                                                                        • Word has it that Unions are threatening to cancel pre-selection of those who vote for Rudd. Also that Gillard will deny a secret ballot so the Union bosses can see who votes for who. Pretty disgusting if true.

                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                          thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                          Brisbane
                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:27PM
                                                                                                                          • Perhaps its only a manufactured crisis the LNP have a habit of inventing stupid facts that turn out to be nothing but their imagination see Gresch and Slipper

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            AustraliaFirst
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                                                                                                          • Who's word? yours?

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            AustraliaFirst
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                                                                                        • Wow, this is getting to be like Italy. What's the bet we are going to have 3 or maybe 4 prime ministers in the one year? Bunga, bunga fellow Wooorking Australians!

                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                          Arthur McKenzie
                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                          Canberra
                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:21PM
                                                                                                                          • Yes, never mind the fact that we have had three years of stable government with more legislation passed than in the last Howard term, and never mind the fact that we have one of the best performing economies in the Western World, let's focus on nonsense in the last week of parliament which may or not come to anything.

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            Cameron
                                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                                            Sydney
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
                                                                                                                        • As a Liberal supporter, my ideal outcome from all this nonsense would be that a) there is a spill or challenge; and b) Gillard wins it by only a small margin but refuses to resign. Landslide election win to Coalition locked in! Sadly, even the Labor caucus are not stupid enough to allow that to happen. Or are they?

                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                          AdamC
                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
                                                                                                                          • How appropriate if not highly coincidental that 2 of the independents have announced that they won't be standing at the next election within hours before the petition is being circulated....talk about the rats deserting the sinking ship, unfortunately they gnawed over a billion dollars in special ransom deals while they facilitated this charade of a governing party

                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                            Stella
                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                                                                                            • Do I have to keep saying it? Tony Windsor got it wrong. We don't have a carbon tax, we have a price on carbon, which is exactly what Julia Gillard said when she stated before the 2010 election, “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”.

                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                              Mr Duck
                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                                                                                              • Mr Duck,

                                                                                                                                Julia Gillard herself admitted it was a tax!

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                notlad
                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                Sydney
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                                                                                              • Just like we don't have income tax - we have a price on our income instead.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Tera
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:38PM
                                                                                                                              • Give up Mr Duck - haters gotta hate.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                The Banker
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                                                                                                              • Oh that is all right then? We have Gillard ripping us off with the most inefficient green energy available to the benefit of increased coal production and the mining industry because of a carbon price and not a carbon tax.

                                                                                                                                Had breakfast today have we?

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:42PM
                                                                                                                              • Ok, it's a 'price on carbon' that business have to pay to the government. Sure sounds like a tax by definition, or is this another word in the dictionary that the PM would like changed?

                                                                                                                                tax [tæks]
                                                                                                                                n
                                                                                                                                1. a compulsory financial contribution imposed by a government to raise revenue, levied on the income or property of persons or organizations, on the production costs or sales prices of goods and services, etc.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Indeed
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:44PM
                                                                                                                              • Gillard said it's a tax - who are you to say otherwise?

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Rodrigo
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:57PM
                                                                                                                              • Indeed, it sounds like a Levy to me.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                tasch2
                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:21PM
                                                                                                                              • Mr. Duck, It appears you have selective amnesia. Julia Gillard DID NOT say that she would introduce price on carbon. She promised to establish 'citizens assembly' whose responsibility would be to 'bring along' the electorate. She promised NOT TO introduce price on carbon until she gets support from the electorate.

                                                                                                                                Your attempt to keep on repeating the lie will never make it truth.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Thelma
                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                Doncaster
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:33PM
                                                                                                                              • @ tasch2

                                                                                                                                levy [ˈlɛvɪ]
                                                                                                                                vb levies, levying, levied (tr)
                                                                                                                                1. (Economics) to impose and collect (a tax, tariff, fine, etc.)

                                                                                                                                O, be some other name!
                                                                                                                                What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Indeed
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:41PM
                                                                                                                              • In economic terms, there are differences between taxes and levies. And we don't actually have a tax, regardless of what anyone tells you. It's a levy limited to 500 companies.

                                                                                                                                And as for promising to organise a community consultative process and then calling it off, then you're right. She did promise that. But really - if that's the only promise she broke, I can live with that. The fact is that the Liberal ETS policy was very simple and effective. When Labor stole it, the Libs went for the big wasteful spending option instead. And that's what we'll have soon instead of a market-led solution. Too bad!

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Mr Duck
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
                                                                                                                              • Thanks for your economical analysis Mr Duck, but I still stand by my above replies. You call it what you want, if only to justify a lie to the Australian Public.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Indeed
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 3:07PM
                                                                                                                              • So that means all those Levies that Tony plans to introduce are actually taxes then? How downright duplicitous!

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                tasch2
                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 3:09PM
                                                                                                                              • @Indeed You think that the current leader of the opposition won't tell porkies either? Remember that he said not to believe anything he didn't put down in writing. And the previous Lib PM, who liked to talk about core and non-core truths? It's not like the PM has led us into foreign wars or economic catastrophe based on lies either. I can live with the cancellation of a people's assembly. She stated the policy direction and she went through with it.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Mr Duck
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 3:24PM
                                                                                                                              • That line. "“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon” is pure fiction. She never qualified her promise that there would be no tax under any government she led. Her spin doctors have combined different statements made at different times.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                MattPP
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 3:30PM
                                                                                                                              • Really? Her spin doctors are pretty good then.She said it in multiple different ways prior to the election, and on the evening before the election, she said she considered the 2010 election to be a mandate on a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. I think she was pretty clear. I only wish the Libs had introduced it - it's good policy. Much better than the current big spending, big taxing LIb policy. If they went back to an ETS they'd get my vote.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                Mr Duck
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 4:06PM
                                                                                                                            • I say, Bob Carr looks a little stressed.

                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                              Sharron
                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                              The Land of Rudd
                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                                                                                              • So sick & tired of all of this. If K Rudd gets back in then Labor lose my vote due to their indecision, backbiting and following polls rather than governing. And get over it people, WE DO NOT VOTE FOR OUR PRIME MINISTER, that would be called a republic and you all voted against that!!

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                dlg
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                                                                                                • Correct, we do not vote for a PM, we vote for a political party. But Australian's have always looked to our PM as the leader of that party & in that, all of Australia. We have seen from the last 3 years that our PM has not lead her party well, has not conveyed her message, & has allowed a myriad of political bungles under her watch. There are lingering issues with how she got the job off a sitting PM, & then how she had to go about to keep it with her side deals at the last election. So yes, we do not vote for a PM, but if you have issues with who leads, then you have issues with the party for choosing that leader.

                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                  Indeed
                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
                                                                                                                                • Just read over what you wrote one more time...

                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                  Cap'n Morgan
                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:08PM
                                                                                                                                • We certainly did not vote for Gillard and Co!

                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                  Liberator
                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                  SEQLD
                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 2:10PM
                                                                                                                              • I am a labor supporter, but if Rudd win today or tomorrow ballots, I do agree Tony windsor and Oakeshotts to side with Tony Abbot.

                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                jeff5555
                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:16PM
                                                                                                                                • I would not stand if I was Kevan Rudd prior to the election. Let the current leader and buch of ministers take the blame for the obvious loss. In fact, ministers whp put the boot into rudd will lose their seats which is great. Then Rudd could lead what is left of the Labor party in opposition. I say this as a Labor voter. Politics is now so dissapointing to most people as we never seem to discuss policies.

                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                  Tecka
                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                  melbourne
                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                                                                                                                  • Are there any photos we can see showing Shorten and Burke conferring with Rudd as it looks as if they are just leaving in 12.51? Rudd is looking unbearably smug. I guess the price of having to watch that again will be worth having Labor back in the race and Gillard gone.

                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                    Altered
                                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                                    Esperance
                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                                                                                                                    • I thought there were only these types of leadership changes in countries like Italy and tin-pot regimes.

                                                                                                                                      Welcome to the new Australia.

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Growler
                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                      The Couch
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
                                                                                                                                      • No, happens in robust democracies such as ours as well. Remember when Tony Abbott gave Malcolm Turnbull the boot?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        RAD61
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:25PM
                                                                                                                                      • Oh, Turnbull was a first term sitting Prime Minister was he? And now we are doing exactly the same thing, with the same people again? A reasonable comparison - I think not.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Rex Mundi
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:41PM
                                                                                                                                      • The precedent was set when Gorton was dumped after winning his only election.

                                                                                                                                        Come to think of it the Coalition and Conservative politicians have a long history of unstable leadership since Menzies. Holt, all at sea, McMahon did Gorton, Fraser did Snedden, Peacock and Howard did each other, Downer did Hewson, Howard did Downer, Malcolm did Brendan, Tony did Malcolm. The only thing that stopped Peter was he had no ticker.

                                                                                                                                        Even prior to the Liberals Menzies got done, Joe Lyons was lucky he died and Hughes was even done by Bruce after he turned Conservative. What is to say this will stop.

                                                                                                                                        Conservatives and Liberals are obviously more concerned about getting to be leader than actually doing anything while there. McMahon was once asked what politics was about and he replied "its about getting power", he had nothing to say about what happens where you attain it.

                                                                                                                                        I think a challenge from Malcolm will be more than likely.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        tasch2
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:54PM
                                                                                                                                    • Denied the right to select a Government now Denied the Right to throw Oakshott and Windsor out. Not Happy Jan

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Just Sayin
                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                      Adelaide
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:08PM
                                                                                                                                      • Well you were denied the right to throw Windsor and Oakeshott out anyway simply because you can only vote in one electorate ;)

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        BS Man
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Sydney
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:25PM
                                                                                                                                      • Unless you're registered to vote in New England or Lyne, you don't have the option to throw out Windsor or Oakeshott.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        JoLoGo
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        New England
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:28PM
                                                                                                                                    • And to think Bill Shorten's mum in-law gets to decide the outcome in the end.

                                                                                                                                      Australia, the democracy you have when you're barely having one.

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      SteveH.
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
                                                                                                                                      • What are the chances that Bill might put his hand up to thwart Rudd ?

                                                                                                                                        That'd brighten things up a bit .

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Hacka
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:11PM
                                                                                                                                      • I'd rather Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Turnbull or just about anyone before Bill Shorten.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        AndrewN23
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        SYD
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                                                                                                      • Hacka, Let me just say this, blah blah, fair shake of the sauce bottle,
                                                                                                                                        blah blah blah, gotta zip!

                                                                                                                                        If it was a drama on telly it would be a comedy.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        SteveH.
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
                                                                                                                                      • @SteveH. No she doesn't.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        The Badger
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Newcastle
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                                                                                                      • Yes. Apparently Bill's crossed over and Rudd's found a backbone.

                                                                                                                                        Apparently.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Hacka
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Canberra
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:40PM
                                                                                                                                      • No, SteveH, she gets to make decisions that are required by the Australian Constitution in a constitutional way.

                                                                                                                                        Your post exemplifies the sleaziness of the Opposition that has dragged political discourse into the gutter. You don't refer to the Governor-General by name or by post, but by reference to her son-in-law.

                                                                                                                                        You do not have the courage to explicitly allege that she would take her son-in-law's political interests into account, but you leave it out there by the clear implications in your post.

                                                                                                                                        Sickening.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:48PM
                                                                                                                                    • At least all this makes Australian politics a little more interesting.

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Uninspired first time voter
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
                                                                                                                                      • Where have you been for the last 3 years and 1 day?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Denny
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:15PM
                                                                                                                                      • I can think of a few more measures that would make it even more interesting - do we still have the set of 'Gladiators' handy? What about "It's a Knockout'?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        fleetfox
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:35PM
                                                                                                                                    • It's the ALP killing off their two least favoured leaders.

                                                                                                                                      If Gillard get's crushed this week, then it will be a very short run before Rudd get's crushed at the election.

                                                                                                                                      Only a true ego driven fool would put himself forward for such a fall..... or someone with a god complex that is so drunk on his perception of his own popularity that he can't believe he will fail.

                                                                                                                                      Either way....NOT what the ALP or Australia deserve in a PM.

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Oz
                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                      Melbourne
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                                                                                                                      • Whatever, Oz!

                                                                                                                                        We didn't deserve 3 years of gillard either.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Sharron
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        The Land of Rudd
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
                                                                                                                                      • Rudd a least favoured leader? He's the only one that can save us from Abbott.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Jen
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Earth
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:07PM
                                                                                                                                      • @Jen.... oh dear.... and then what would happen.... how long until the ALP sacked him again?

                                                                                                                                        Do you really see Rudd winning an election? I don't.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Oz
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Melbourne
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:13PM
                                                                                                                                      • Its too late. I support Rudd, but he needs to leave this one alone.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        aceme
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:00PM
                                                                                                                                      • If he wins ballot and loose election he will be saying that what happened is Gillards fault, and caucus's, he should have been reinstated long ago.I am sure ALP would not be in such a predicament as it is today...
                                                                                                                                        What a spineless looser ALL in ALP party are.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        sedona
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                                                                                                    • Joe Hockey has tweeted that Labor are focused on their own jobs rather than Aussie jobs. So why are the LNP not supporting much needed changes to the 457 visa system, which has imported personnel competing against locals and putting downward pressure on wages in Australia

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Andrew
                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                      Melican
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                                                                                                                      • Because its not really a problem and labor are only doing it to please the unions. That is all labor have done for the last 3 years and they wonder why they are on the nose.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Denny
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                                                                                                      • Umm - because what's put up is obviously a dog whistling campaign? Unless of course we are aiming to save Canberra based spin doctors from UK imports?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        null
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Logan
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:22PM
                                                                                                                                      • Why do they not support changes - because Gina does not support changes and the puppet cannot make moves without the master!

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Mark
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        melbourne
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:29PM
                                                                                                                                      • Actually it is a serious problem and becoming increasingly worse. What does "just to please the unions" mean? What about the concept of government representing Australian people trying to earn a living?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Andrew
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:32PM
                                                                                                                                      • What a dumb comment...,..do you understand the 457 bill is out more red tape for business and more union control???

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        paul
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Brisbane
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:34PM
                                                                                                                                      • Yawn. This whole "[Insert ethnic/migrant group here] are taking our jobs" schtick is discredited nonsense. Hey, maybe Labor could preselect Pauline Hanson for the seat of Lyne or New England? At least she is more honest and upfront about her anti-immigration views.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        AdamC
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:50PM
                                                                                                                                      • Andrew the reasons most 457 workers arrive is because an Australian didn't want to do the job or an Australian hasn't bothered to train themselves to do the job. The job would be available to an Australian if they bother to apply or get some education. I don't mean to sound harsh but 457 workers are not a problem, they are actually helping in the most part to provide services that an Aussie didn't want to do or we don't have enough Aussie's capable of doing to meet the demand required for that service.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Tired Camel
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:51PM
                                                                                                                                      • This is is not about anti-immigration. It is about having workers side by side being paid highly different rates for similar work. Someone renegotiating a work contract can have an employer saying that they have others willing to work for much lower rates. I understand the role that 457 workers can play if a real gap exists but the system can be used to bring down wages. An employer can advertise at a much lower than market rate and then say that no one is available to do the job. It would be fine if there was close to full employment but that seems to be no longer the case.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Andrew
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 2:26PM
                                                                                                                                      • Andrew, that line may have been credible had the Immigration Minister been able to actually identify a significant number of cases where that was happening. But he failed spectacularly. The reason the government is persecuting 457 visa holders is that the unions, for some reason, want to make it as hard and expensive as possible for employers to use them. However, the whole thing has also become a challenge to previously bipartisan immigration policy in this country. This exercise is among the worst of Gillard's follies.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        AdamC
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 3:05PM
                                                                                                                                    • Oh the sweet irony... I wonder if Gillard is about to experience a metaphorical knife in her back like she gave to Rudd.

                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                      Shmock
                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                                                                                                                      • As i understand the system, if Rudd rolls Gillard & the independents do not support Rudd, this will allow Abbott to go to the Govenor General with a motion of no confidence in Labor ability to Govern without a majority, this will mean the Govenor G will have to disolve Parliament & ask Abbott to form a new Government, a dilema for the G.G.as her daughter is married to Bill Shorten, why would Rudd challenge so close to Parliament closing until the elections ?

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Geen
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Moss Vale
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:58PM
                                                                                                                                        • Let's see how the Independents react! I'm guessing it was a bluff, and Rudd knows it!

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          beasleyst
                                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                                          Sydney
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
                                                                                                                                      • Turnbull to switch parties, be elected unapposed as PM and beat Abbott at election. You know it makes sense.

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        kcabotkcab
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        Mlebourne
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                                                                                                        • kcabotkcab
                                                                                                                                          Could not agree more, even if Turnbull stayed in the Liberal camp he would be more preferable than Abbott

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          Geen
                                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                                          Moss Vale
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:09PM
                                                                                                                                        • We could only hope.

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          Dropbear
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:10PM
                                                                                                                                        • Oh, how I dream of this!

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          HC
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:12PM
                                                                                                                                        • Yes, Turnbull with all his LNP values would fit well in the Labor party room. Seriuously, Turnbull is less of a messiabh than most would think

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          Jitterry
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:17PM
                                                                                                                                        • The only problem is that Turnbull has a brain and would not want to be associated in anyway to a bh of unprincipled incompetents like labor.

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          Denny
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                                                                                                        • Love it!

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          Miss Ward
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:46PM
                                                                                                                                        • crazy but it would work for the voters

                                                                                                                                          would work for Malcolm too, I think the only reason he didn't join the ALP is because he didn't fit into any faction, takes a very strong minded person to be unaligned, only one I know of was Button

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          havasay
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:49PM
                                                                                                                                      • Please, Kevin Rudd oust julia gillard!!

                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                        Sharron
                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                        The Land of Rudd
                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                                                                                                        • Is that pic at 12.51 of Rudd digging for votes?

                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                          brian
                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 12:55PM
                                                                                                                                          • 12.51. Now that is an interesting photo!

                                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                                            Altered
                                                                                                                                            Location
                                                                                                                                            Esperance
                                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 12:55PM
                                                                                                                                            • We need Kevin to save us from Abbott, that's all there is to it.

                                                                                                                                              Without Kevin, we'll have a climate change denying mining puppet carving up the north end for the sake of a few mining dollars, the benefits of which we'll never see.

                                                                                                                                              Go Kev!!

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              sarajane
                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                              melbourne
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:54PM
                                                                                                                                              • @sarajane, why dont you save the environment by turning off your computer, not driving a car and sittting in the dark.

                                                                                                                                                Thats right because labor gave you your carbon tax payout, meaning you are one of the people not experiecing the rising utility costs.

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Dave
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                Coogee
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:15PM
                                                                                                                                              • and where's your compo Dave of Coogee, are you saying you didn't get it ?

                                                                                                                                                Oh my god now there's another Abbott slogan

                                                                                                                                                - This government can't be trusted to give compo to LNP supporters, worse governement ever

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                havasay
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:43PM
                                                                                                                                              • Now tell us how Labor's climate change works by increasing coal production from 220 - 500 million tonnes with growth projections of 800 million tonnes by 2017.

                                                                                                                                                One tonne of coal produces 2.86 tonnes of CO2, Current Australians coal production of about 500 million tonnes X 2.86 = 1.430 billion tonnes of CO2, 800 million tonnes of coal production equals 2.288 billion tonnes of CO2.

                                                                                                                                                So tell us about Gillard's climate change policy why don't you Sarahjane?

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:59PM
                                                                                                                                              • Can we please have a photo of Abbott with a whopping smile on his face?

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:01PM
                                                                                                                                              • It all smacks of the same level of integrity that gave us Gillard's climate change. It does not work, it never will work, it is not cost effective, it is insufficient and supports the opposition that is the coal industry?

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Pen of hrba
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:11PM
                                                                                                                                            • Picture of Rudd, with his a part of his new cabinet

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              Jitterry
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                              • Adios Swan, Conroy, Garrett.

                                                                                                                                                You made your beds and now your Beds are Burning.

                                                                                                                                                Swan - no more Glory Days.

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Hacka
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                                                                                                              • And no more red undies for Conroy

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                thereisnoyouinLabor
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                Brisbane
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
                                                                                                                                            • No, nothing happening! It's just media and LNP beat-up, as always!

                                                                                                                                              Isn't it?????

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              beasleyst
                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                              • Of course it is! The media is creating all this turmoil out of virtually nothing! Easy to see most are pro Abbott thanks to their owner ;)

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Kathy
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                South Coast
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:26PM
                                                                                                                                            • Has Rudd found a backbone, or will he burn his backers again ?

                                                                                                                                              An open vote will obviously split the party pretty badly, who knows what will be left by Friday.

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              Hacka
                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                              Canberra
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                              • I'll go for the burn on this one ... If he doesn't get chucked out I think he sees himself as the white knight on horseback riding in to rebuild the ALP post SEP 14. Mind you I wouldn't take bets on my political skills ;)

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                mick_doe
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:10PM
                                                                                                                                            • What has Bill Shorten been up to in the last week? A very quiet nothing from him. It has all been Emerson, Conroy, Albanese and other Gillard backers but nothing from the playmaker. Too quiet for me. So has he been shut out as stated or planning his own move?

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              Paul
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                              • Having tea with his mother-in-law to make sure she doesn't pull the plug on his friends in the government?

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Salvador Dalek
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
                                                                                                                                            • Gee, Harvey, with supporterrs like you no wonder Jules is in trouble!

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              DLB
                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                              Sydney
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                              • Remember Kerrs cur !

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                Geen
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                Moss Vale
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:20PM
                                                                                                                                            • At last they are moving! Going to be very interesting all around.

                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                              Altered
                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                              Esperance
                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
                                                                                                                                              • I have watch Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott since those 17 days of decision. I have admired them at every step— their ability to sure foot it through the jungle has been amazing. Their moral compass has been unerring and the bull shit meter near perfect. They don't represent me but they have set an example of Parliamentary behaviour and clear thinking and working for the community as a whole as well as their constituents which is exemplary. Congratulations guys, you deserve your pensions; have a good life!

                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                sangela
                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                wollongong
                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
                                                                                                                                                  • Everyone on the left admires the. Why not? They betrayed their electorates and installed an unprincipled immoral woman as PM. The important thing there is that she is a woman. Progressives love it. The fact that the country is in far worse shape thanks to her incompetence is neither here nor there.

                                                                                                                                                    The labor pendents have done their job and should be remembered as labor heros.

                                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                                    Denny
                                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                                                                                                                  • Yes well done you two , thanks for giving us this great government lol.
                                                                                                                                                    enjoy retirement and please do not come back

                                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                                    SG
                                                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                                                    Perth
                                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 2:17PM
                                                                                                                                                • As a Labor Party voter, Kevin Rudd should never have been removed as PM and I believe the party would not have been in this predictament. They now must put him back in as PM otherwise the party will be decimated at the election.

                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                  hotpie
                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 12:49PM
                                                                                                                                                  • I think now all voters of Australia now agree with men of great reason & intelligence such as Bolt, Akerman, Jones & Henderson etc. Carbon tax is going away on Sept 14 to be replaced with nothing. Shame that Obama did not listen to the Australian Greats such as Bolt, Akerman, Jones etc.

                                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                                    F&F Man
                                                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 12:48PM
                                                                                                                                                    • Obama is clever -- he'll get the credit for trying to 'stop global warming' even though he knows the Republican Congress will block his proposals and he'll never have to face up to their abject failure as Gillard did.

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      JonJ
                                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                                      Blaxland
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:18PM
                                                                                                                                                  • If you support the people who formed the minority government, I urge you to watch the interviews with Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor on ABC Lateline recently.
                                                                                                                                                    I think the independents did a fantastic job in this parliament.
                                                                                                                                                    This has been a parliament that has achieved much for the future of the nation.
                                                                                                                                                    THE MEDIA SHOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME.

                                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                                    Staz
                                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 12:47PM
                                                                                                                                                    • Its all your fault Steph, apparently.

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      SteveH.
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                                                                                                                    • I'll guarantee whose fault it is not.
                                                                                                                                                      Knit 1 , pearl 2, Spin 3.

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      Louis Cypher
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
                                                                                                                                                    • @Louis best post of the day! A Pearler

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      gc
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 2:59PM
                                                                                                                                                  • Good luck PM Rudd.

                                                                                                                                                    I hope this vile wrong can be righted and the will of the people respected.

                                                                                                                                                    Commenter
                                                                                                                                                    Mark Seaton
                                                                                                                                                    Location
                                                                                                                                                    Melbourne
                                                                                                                                                    Date and time
                                                                                                                                                    June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                                                                                                                    • There's nonsense, BS, crap and lies in politics. And then there is Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshott. I cant believe all the tripe in these blogs wrtten against these blokes, for the simple reason that they exercised their parliamentary rights and stuck to their guns.
                                                                                                                                                      The Parliament is a better place for them being there and a poorer place when they leave.
                                                                                                                                                      Anything else is sour grapes and poor form.

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      The Guru
                                                                                                                                                      Location
                                                                                                                                                      Lane Cove
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:43PM
                                                                                                                                                      • Another endorsement from Labor.

                                                                                                                                                        I hope Jules gets a few this afternoon.

                                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                                        SteveH.
                                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:45PM
                                                                                                                                                      • Are you saying The Guru is an ALP spokesperson? How do you know?

                                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                                        tasch2
                                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                                        Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:54PM
                                                                                                                                                      • Poorer yes - they will live comfortably on their pollie super payouts for the rest of their life, the rest of us have to fund that payout.

                                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                                        Paul B
                                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 1:05PM
                                                                                                                                                    • Bob Katter puts the nation ahead of his party and himself, what about you Julia! What else do you need to show that the majority of Australian have turned you off and that the Labor party is going no where with you steering!

                                                                                                                                                      Commenter
                                                                                                                                                      John of Melbourne
                                                                                                                                                      Date and time
                                                                                                                                                      June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
                                                                                                                                                      • All Labor politicians do these days is worry about themselves with in-house games.....Since Gillard became PM, they have done nothing....

                                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                                        Andrew
                                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:41PM
                                                                                                                                                        • You mean nothing you liked. I bet you were always picked last for teams.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          empho
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                                        • Totally agree. This is one reason why QT should be removed from the political landscape.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          No question time
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 12:57PM
                                                                                                                                                        • mate, you can criticise the government for a number of things they've done during this parliament, but it's patently ridiculous to criticise them for 'doing nothing'.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          snag
                                                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                                                          melb
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                                                                                                                        • Actually empho, more often than not I was the captain picking the teams....

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          Andrew
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:03PM
                                                                                                                                                        • @ snag, yes sorry......climate change tax based on doctored research (when the IPCC scientists were asked to prove their findings, their research had been conveniently lost...are there shells in the Himalayas and in the desert?
                                                                                                                                                          Let's not forget the useless mining tax.
                                                                                                                                                          The Gonski report is a shambles, so it is health and the asylum situation.
                                                                                                                                                          I haven't made my mind up about the NBN, but I think it will be too expensive.
                                                                                                                                                          To me it seems that all Gillard has done is hit my back pocket....one that was empty to start with.
                                                                                                                                                          I was a Labor supporter, but what I've seen since 2010 has disgusted me.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          Andrew
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                                                                                                                        • Sorry Andrew, you lost me at 'climate change is a massive global conspiracy'.

                                                                                                                                                          Those damn pesky scientists are always trying to achieve world domination! Unlike the benevolent right-wing think tanks that fund the sort of bulldust reporting that you quote.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          snag
                                                                                                                                                          Location
                                                                                                                                                          melb
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 1:31PM
                                                                                                                                                      • So this means that Joyce Barnaby gets a free go at New England, aaggghhhh!

                                                                                                                                                        Commenter
                                                                                                                                                        islander
                                                                                                                                                        Location
                                                                                                                                                        the island
                                                                                                                                                        Date and time
                                                                                                                                                        June 26, 2013, 12:40PM
                                                                                                                                                        • BW
                                                                                                                                                          you should have a look at local papers ( which can be read online )
                                                                                                                                                          manningrivertimes, gloucesteradvocate, portstephensexaminer and myallcoastnota to see what is happening in the region between newcastle and port macquarie. oakeshott and winsdor have secured serious funding for their regions. the rest are struggling. Im sure they both have a nice board seat or seven to go to.

                                                                                                                                                          Commenter
                                                                                                                                                          smilingjack
                                                                                                                                                          Date and time
                                                                                                                                                          June 26, 2013, 12:38PM
                                                                                                                                                          • Let's fact it the 2 party system is failing the people. The answer is more independents and a 3rd party to come to the fore in the HOR. Accountability, flexibility, compromise is actually a good thing.

                                                                                                                                                            Commenter
                                                                                                                                                            Jitterry
                                                                                                                                                            Date and time
                                                                                                                                                            June 26, 2013, 12:37PM
                                                                                                                                                            • Tony Abbott's strategy of destroying the minority government is an epic fail.
                                                                                                                                                              Not one no confidence motion - hilarious.
                                                                                                                                                              You now want to elect him?
                                                                                                                                                              Oh thats right the media worship campaign of Abbott has been in effect since the 2010 election.

                                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                                              Staz
                                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:34PM
                                                                                                                                                              • The ALP is doing it all by themselves - no help from LNP required

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Baltic13
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:43PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Yes .... And thank God he will be leading this country in the near future. A true leader of an intelligent team with integrity, and the nations future the number one priority.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Gary
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Tony Abbott a great leader? Are we now turning to humor.
                                                                                                                                                                He is not even a leader which has been demonstrated on various occasions, when he changes policy on the run and leaves his shadow ministers looking uncomfortable at best and stupid at worst.
                                                                                                                                                                If the media put Abbott under some scrutiny, we could see how he performs "on the burning deck" as it were.
                                                                                                                                                                If people are "turned off" by Gillard they at least deserve to hear what Abbott intends to do for our nation.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Staz
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:56PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Three leadership spills in three years, I'd say he is the most effective Opposition Leader in a long while...

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Jonathan C
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:02PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Sept 14 will determine who is the epic . I'm willng to bet the family farm that its not Abbott.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Denny
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:23PM
                                                                                                                                                              • The independents have made a farce of democracy. They have supported a minority government and in return have received disproportionate funding / attention for their pet projects. Good riddance.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Simon
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                Canberra
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:33PM
                                                                                                                                                            • What is wrong with the electorate that they could spew the horrific rubbish that passes for comment here?

                                                                                                                                                              And has it escaped attention that Windsor would very likely have won again, being way ahead of Barnaby in the polls of New England?

                                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                                              Roger
                                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:32PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Of course Windsor and Oakeshott could win again and easily. They have taken their fair share of the public purse and people tell me they don't like pork barrelling.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Opinion Only
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                Melbourne
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                                                                                                                            • I live in the NewEngland and did not vote for the independents BUT Ihave found Tony Windsor to be the most (if not only) effective FederalMP this electorate has had in the 27years I have been voting and living here. His presence in the electorate was/is immense and considering the distances he has to travel compared to someone in the metropolitan regions, this is saying something. He's regularly seen on the streets of all the centres in this region andhe welcomes all constituents approaching him with their needs and comments. I grew up in the safest seat in the country (in Sydney), never did I see an MP on the streets unless election time, never did I see an MP attenda a community meeting or function. I suggest those who are against Tony cannot see past their blinkered partypolitics and have forgotten what his main job was - to serve his electorate.
                                                                                                                                                              The only reason Barnaby will win in Sept is because Tony will nolonger be running. Anyonewho tells you different is living in fantasy land - Tony would have won again easily. Today the electorate will sadly recognise that Barnaby will be our next MP. Bring on the CSG eh Barnaby - i'm sure you will argue that you were given a mandate to do so. I guess one positive is that when Barnaby takes over leadership of the NatParty we will know who leads that party and what they stand for....tell me again, who is Warren Truss, what does he look like, what does he stand for , what doeshe do?
                                                                                                                                                              Good Luck for the future TonyWindsor and know that a lot of people in this country and especially your electorate, recognise what you gave up to serve us in such a dignified and magnificent way.

                                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                                              annabel
                                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                                              new england
                                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:30PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Another endorsement from Labor.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                SteveH.
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:42PM
                                                                                                                                                              • and I have never voted labor either

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                annabel
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                new england
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:48PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Well said. A job well done under difficult circumstances. The output from this parliament shows that they made the right decision when they went with the ALP.

                                                                                                                                                                SteveH - another comment from you with as much substance as a LNP slogan filled brochure.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Rob68
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:59PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Your job as an elected official in the House of Representatives is to serve the interests of Australia not just those of your electorate....Windsor et al fail on this count.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Mikka
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 1:12PM
                                                                                                                                                              • I totally agree Mikka and obviously shame on me for presuming that when a representative has a different political view to me that they are still acting in what they think the best interests of the country are.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                annabel
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                new england
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 2:14PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Plus a very large ONE.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Whyalla Wipeout
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:24PM
                                                                                                                                                            • Windsor and Oakeshott must be accountable for their actions...they totally betrayed their electorates and put this hopeless government in power. Good luck to them.....they would have both lost the next election anyway....

                                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                                              paul
                                                                                                                                                              Location
                                                                                                                                                              Brisbane
                                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:23PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Polling would suggest you are wrong. Perhaps you feel betrayed but the majority of those that matter do not.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                tasch2
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                Mornington Peninsula
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:37PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Windsor & Oackshott are both cowards. They are a disgrace to their electorates. They are a disgrace to this nation. They should get zero "entitlements".

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                JJ
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:46PM
                                                                                                                                                            • Ego, ego and ego is the driving force of the 2 independents and they ultimately have to run because they cannot face the humiliation of being judged. They are tainted in the eyes of the vast majority of Australia and can be rightly held responsible for the disrespect people hold parliamentarians. They are no Peter Andren.

                                                                                                                                                              Commenter
                                                                                                                                                              BluTie
                                                                                                                                                              Date and time
                                                                                                                                                              June 26, 2013, 12:19PM
                                                                                                                                                                • Your (and many others' here) sarcastic, judgemental condemnation of Windsor and Oakshott is pathetic. They have tried their hardest to make decisions not based on single party dogma and rhetoric but on principles and workable outcomes in often vexed issues.

                                                                                                                                                                  Your mob - specifically Abbott - hasn’t stopped carping about the 2010 outcome. Non-stop whiners for 3 years. Your born-to-rule ethos has resulted in more ugliness, and less focus on what matters, than I have ever experienced in my life.

                                                                                                                                                                  Well, it seems you’ll get your wish come September, so you’ll be able to shut up. The quiet will be deafening.

                                                                                                                                                                  But your attitude towards these two men in particular, will forever say more about your (lack of) character and decency than anything I could write here.

                                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                  You must be joking
                                                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                                                  Sydney
                                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 12:50PM
                                                                                                                                                                • Frankly, there's just a cigarette paper between the policy positions of the Coalition and ALP on anything that really matters. The perceived differences are purely cosmetic. Our media reinforces the notion that we have a real democracy in Australia - but this is a sham. The closest thing we have in this country to genuine diversity of thought is the Independents. While I may not agree with everything they ever say, I admire their courage and the fact that they're not part of the tweedledum / tweedledee faux democracy that the Coalition and ALP represent. I sincerely hope to see more independents elected after after September, despite the media's myopic focus on the Tony and Julia show.

                                                                                                                                                                  .

                                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                  democratoz
                                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 1:19PM
                                                                                                                                                              • Such a shame to see some of the rot written in this column about Windsor and Oakeshott. You can only imagine how hard these guys have worked for their electorates in this parliament. They have acted at all times with honour, principle and decency. I sincerely wish there were 150 Windsors and Oakeshotts to vote for so we could see a real parliament.
                                                                                                                                                                I wish both of them all the best for their futures.

                                                                                                                                                                Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                Chris
                                                                                                                                                                Location
                                                                                                                                                                Kiama
                                                                                                                                                                Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                June 26, 2013, 12:19PM
                                                                                                                                                                • Hear hear!

                                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                  fleetfox
                                                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                                                  Melbourne
                                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 12:41PM
                                                                                                                                                                • It's a shame they are not leaving today...

                                                                                                                                                                  The Windsor/Oakeshott show will still continue for a few months yet, and I see Windsor is still making demands...incredible..

                                                                                                                                                                  They will be seen as the ones who betrayed their electorate and backed the hopeless Gillard govenment...they will be held accountable for that..

                                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                  paul
                                                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                                                  Brisbane
                                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                                                                                                                                • @paul - I struggle to understand that this is what you believe when all objective evidence is to the contrary. It's a blight on political "debate" that such unreasoned vitriol passes as genuine opinion. Can you understand that the Nats have betrayed country electorates for most of the 50 years I have observed politics? I grew up in the country and know how little they have done. These two guys have got things done for their electorates - not just pork barreling, but real things such as infrastructure and educational facilities. You can sneer at the NBN but all you display is your ignorance.
                                                                                                                                                                  As to sneering at these two gentlemen I suggest you may wish to crawl back under the flat rock you describe as home.
                                                                                                                                                                  I promised myself I wouldn't bite at trolls, but there, I've done it. Damn!

                                                                                                                                                                  Commenter
                                                                                                                                                                  Chris
                                                                                                                                                                  Location
                                                                                                                                                                  Kiama
                                                                                                                                                                  Date and time
                                                                                                                                                                  June 26, 2013, 12:56PM
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