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Capital's private students cut above

29 Jan, 2010 08:48 AM
Private schools with students from advantaged backgrounds are dominating the ACT's top academic results, with yesterday's launch of the My School website showing a divide between government and non-government schools.

In analysis of the website data conducted by The Canberra Times, Canberra Girls' Grammar, Radford College and Canberra Grammar School were among those consistently scoring near or at the top of the five measured testing areas of reading, writing, spelling, punctuation and grammar and numeracy across Years 3, 5, 7 and 9.

Each of the three schools performed considerably better than the national average, were on par or slightly better in most categories when compared to statistically similar schools and were ranked by the Australian Curriculum and Reporting Authority as among those with the highest socio-educational advantage in the territory.

Blue Gum Community School topped Year 7 writing, spelling, grammar and punctuation and numeracy. Torrens Primary, ranked towards the middle in the ACT in terms of socio-educational advantage, was one of the highest-ranked public schools in Year 5 in the ACT and outperformed similar schools nationally. (For a full list of test results and socio-educational rankings see pages 4-6 of today's Canberra Times).

A number of public schools in the Tuggeranong, Belconnen and Weston Creek areas received the lowest raw test scores in the ACT, with Richardson Primary, Caroline Chisholm School, and Macgregor Primary consistently scoring some of the lowest scores across all subjects in Years 3 and 5, along with Jervis Bay Primary. All scored below the national average, with most near or below the national average in terms of educational advantage.

For more on this story, including the response of ACT Education Minister Andrew Bar, see today's Canberra Times.

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What do people expect. Private schools get private and government funding. Yeah the percentage of government funding for government schools is higher than for private schools, that's because they are government schools and should be funded by the government. In fact government schools should receive 100% of government funding. Private schools should receive 100% private funding because they are private schools. Regarding the My schools website, it won't tell you how much bullying goes on in each school or what programs there are if any to stop bullying ie to stop the bully being a bully and to help students being bullied dealing with it. My biggest fear with this schools site is schools that don't perform well will be threatened with closure or have their funding reduced.
Posted by jayell, 29/01/2010 10:00:15 AM, on The Canberra Times
Moving my children to Richardson Primary to me that was the best decision that we have ever made, Richardson may not be up the top but the way the students are treates is so much better. at Richardson they give EVERYONE a fair go. I have friends who have had children in the learning support classes at Richardson & I asked their opinion on the school & got nothing but good feedback & i would never hesitate to reccomend the school to anyone, the teachers & staff are fantastic & willing to help if help is needed
Posted by debk40, 29/01/2010 10:33:56 AM, on The Canberra Times
+10 to what jayell said. why do i have to subsidise rich people to send their kids to expensive private schools that i can't afford for my own kids? i have no problem with people who have the money sending their kids to private schools, but i don't see why i should have to pay for it... public funds for public schools. if private schools have to close as a result, that's ok because government schools will have more funds available to accommodate the extra students. this upper class welfare rort has got to go.
Posted by joe, 29/01/2010 10:38:55 AM, on The Canberra Times
JOE (10.38am): Just to let you know, public schools, often referred to as "State" schools are such named because they receive money from the State governments. Private schools do not. Private schools receive their funding from the Federal government. Hence often misleading figures are thrown around, especially by the public school teachers union suggesting more Federal funding is going to private schools than state schools. Very cleverly leaving out the State government funds. Your other point that public (state) schools will be able to handle the extra students is not in fact correct. The public education system is at breaking point now. In the 60s the Catholic Archbishop of the day, after much similar heated discussion and xenophobia in the community, told all students who were attending a Catholic school to stop attending and go to the nearest state school the next morning. No school was able to cope and the government's bluff was called. Hence, all governments recognise the value of private, Catholic, Jewish and more recently Muslim schools deliver. So your argument is nice in theory but the public system just can't accommodate more students. Hope this clears it up for you Joe
Posted by Trevor, 29/01/2010 10:54:13 AM, on The Canberra Times
jayell, you are just plain wrong. It may be true that private schools are given more money from the federal governments but state governments provide very little if any funding to private schools. The total government funding per student in the private system is tiny compared to the public schools. Get your facts straight.
Posted by Dan, 29/01/2010 11:18:20 AM, on The Canberra Times
Trevor, well said! The amount of garbage statistics people throw around is unbelievable. And its always from the same people who have not researched their argument at all and just want to constantly whinge and complain about how hard their life is.
Posted by Sam, 29/01/2010 11:46:05 AM, on The Canberra Times
Hey Joe and jayell. I send my children to a private school. I pay the fees imposed by the school. And I also pay my federal taxes so I should receive the benefits of some of that. Or should us who do not utilise state government schools fully subsidise your children's education. As you yourself said I don't see why i should have to pay for it.
Posted by concerned, 29/01/2010 11:50:03 AM, on The Canberra Times
With reference to Jayell and Joe; in an attempt to simplify it for you; as a taxpayer I am paying for the total schooling of your public school student, in addition I will be paying an extra approx $5300 pa for the schooling of my private school student. I am paying for my childs schooling and also contributing to the building fund. So I am contributing $5300 pa for the education of my child, how much are public school parents contributing? As for the illusion that private schools are for the rich, why are Catholic schools built in working class suburbs?
Posted by Cec Pitt, 29/01/2010 11:58:32 AM, on The Canberra Times
Jayell and Joe sorry guys you are both wrong. Governments, both State and Federal, should fund all students equally. That is the only fair way to do it. If parents wish to pay more for their child's education that is their call. Currently State school students receive $12,000 worth of funding per year. Private school students $7,000 per year. Joe you don't pay for anyone elses child to go to school. You aren't even meeting the cost of sending your own kid to school so get over it.
Posted by Al, 29/01/2010 12:00:02 PM, on The Canberra Times
The extract offers a very simplistic analysis. For example, Canberra Girls Grammar did well overall, however when you look at the table which compares it to similar schools, it still did well, but lags behind similar schools on many measures. Likewise, when you look at some of our local ACT primary schools, they suffer in this ranking system from postcode sickness - the fact that some of these schools have a high number of disadvantaged students takes a back seat to the average income earned in that postcode area. It's a very blunt instrument. The whole education system needs more money rather than have us squabbling over which sector should get most of the inadequate amount that's given to it now. And yes, public schools need a lot more money very quickly. My child is at a private school and I would still support a massive injection of resources into the lower performing schools, private or public. But not at the expense of the good performance of some private schools. Why does the Canberra Times always go straight to the three 'richest' schools in the ACT for its comparisons? Why not, for example, look at some of the high performing Catholic and public schools? They exist.
Posted by Judy, 29/01/2010 12:11:05 PM, on The Canberra Times
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Judy Fraser, of Deakin, with daughters Sara, 11, left, and Ellie, 14, at Canberra Girls' Grammar, which topped the lists for students' performances in the territory. Photo: ANDREW SHEARGOLD
Judy Fraser, of Deakin, with daughters Sara, 11, left, and Ellie, 14, at Canberra Girls' Grammar, which topped the lists for students' performances in the territory. Photo: ANDREW SHEARGOLD

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