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New submarines could cost $36b

30 Oct, 2009 07:29 AM
The navy's plan to build 12 new ''Future Submarines'' could cost taxpayers as much as $36 billion, a defence think tank has warned.

Earlier this year, the Federal Government announced in its defence white paper it wanted to build as many as 12 subs as part of a large military build-up.

An Australian Strategic Policy Institute report released today says, ''If ... the cost of the program follows historical trends, the fleet could cost as much as $36 billion.''

Report authors Sean Costello and Andrew Davies have argued the high-tech capabilities the Government would like in the subs might need to be discarded.

They have gone so far as to suggest the Government should have a plan B involving the design and construction of ''a smaller but still lethal submarine based on an existing design''. The Government's capability demands run from the subs operating ''anti-ship and anti-submarine warfare'' through to mine detection and ''short-notice contingencies''.

''The Government must not remain ignorant about what can be achieved with off-the-shelf hardware,'' the report says.

''Presently available, in-service foreign submarines and their planned descendants are steadily growing in capability. They may yet prove a credible option once crew size, logistic support [including forward basing], potentially greater numbers at sea and other factors, not least of which are project risk and cost, are considered.

''If an existing submarine design can defend the nation and support national strategy at a lower cost to the taxpayer, the Government must consider it.''

The warning comes after the disastrous Collins class submarines fiasco.

Once labelled ''dud subs'' after a series of problems, the Collins had undergone a protracted remediation program over the past decade which seemed to have overcome all defects.

However, the chief of the Defence Materiel Organisation, Stephen Gumley, said the Collins submarines had now gone to the top of the list of troublesome projects, a position once occupied by the now cancelled Seasprite helicopter project.

AAP

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We DO NOT need these. Number one they are a drain on our valuble resources. ONLY USA gain out of this. We must FOCUS on improving OUR INFRASTRUCTURE such as buildinf VFTs linking all states and territories etc. IT IS TIME WE STOP LISTENING TO THE USA.
Posted by Serious, 30/10/2009 9:42:47 AM
This has got to be a very sick joke hasn't it, Firstly, Australia's economy is going to sink quicker than a collins class sub, where the hell is all this money supposed to be coming from, 40 bill stimuli, 40 bill broadband, 40 bill subs not to mention the x amount bill raaf strike fighters, rundown hospitals & roads, a not too distant doubling of most basic utilities, seriously who dreams up this madness, people have got to start waking up this government out of its fairytale dream- fantasy- land state & of being in complete denial of the complete & utter spendthrift public purse raided future indebted generations, get over the war bullshit & start spending a few billion on efforts to make sure in the future wars dont & cannot happen as we are all sailing on a global ship these days which is to say the only way for the world to go is for countries to embrace such concepts of mutual cooperation, not be thinking we might if we had a hundred submarines be able to defend ourselves, even Indonesia could & would walk right over us, what hope against China? stop feeding the bluddy terrorists all the ammunition they need to justify their hell-bent ways & means! cheerz yo
Posted by yofussn, 30/10/2009 11:13:00 AM
How many subs are currently in service ---- 1: How many subs can be at sea at one time ---- 3: Where do they think they are going to get 12*180 (2160) not counting the roster crews and support base facilities? Tell them their dreamin ....
Posted by spike, 30/10/2009 2:22:54 PM
Are we not tired of supporting the war machine when we are making free trade agreements? Guys it's all about perception. Do not waste the money.
Posted by Ed, 30/10/2009 4:13:44 PM
I see they are re-making 'RED DAWN', the 80's film with Patrick Swayze about a group of high school teenagers fighting an enemy with bolt action rifles and bow and arrows. How like Australia's future. Big tech all over the place and no guns in the arsenal to hand out to a citizens home guard army. A classic revelation on the net today about an invader is What Will Become Of Australia 1974 by Jack Burrell. Parts of Jack's revelation are even now coming to pass.
Posted by gibo, 30/10/2009 8:27:24 PM
Well,at least your subs will be new and not operate from a drydock like the ones in Canada
Posted by jaimie, 31/10/2009 10:48:15 AM
With a coast line of over 20,000 kilometres it is prudent to have a multi layered naval defence in place. Submarines can form an effective part of this arrangement. However the RAN has demonstrated that as hardware procurers, they leave a lot to be desired. One could say the same about the RAAF's debacle with F-111 process and the current fighter replacement fiasco. The Army also join the club by purchasing second hand Abrams tanks that not only do not fit on our current tank transporters and have difficulty with some strategically located bridges when they need to be deployed, but are basically 1970's technology. Leoprad II's would have been a smarter purchase. If the RAN does need submarines, please, please, please purchase US subs and if politically (if not operationally correct) rip out the nuclear reactors and replace with diesels. Does anyone in the Defence Force have any common sense? The term 'military intelligence' is a misnomer.
Posted by Al, 31/10/2009 6:24:01 PM

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One of the Collins class submarines, HMAS Waller.
One of the Collins class submarines, HMAS Waller.

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