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Eddie Obeid, Ian Macdonald acted corruptly, ICAC finds

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Rachel Olding and Georgia Waters

The Independent Commission Against Corruption has handed down its findings after the state's most sensational corruption inquiry. Read back to see how it unfolded.

  • 'Superficiality and bias': Eddie Obeid responds to ICAC findings he acted corruptly
  • Moses Obeid denies any unlawful behaviour
  • Eight key players recommended for criminal charges
  • "Engaged in corrupt conduct": Eddie Obeid.

    "Engaged in corrupt conduct": Eddie Obeid. Photo: Dallas Kilponen

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    • Brings to mind the Labor illuminaries getting free weekends away at Obeid's ski lodge - Stephen Conroy and our newly minted Immigration Minister Tony Burke to name but two.

      Obeid has no connection to Federal Labor?

      Commenter
      Tim of Altona
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 3:41PM
      • Dear shiyoganai

        Thanks for responding to my comment on Sydney ICAC and Wollongong ICAC. As BOTH major parties in NSW have their hands dirtied through their involvement in Sandon Point and other Illawarra development issues, I fail to see why I should vote for either in any upcming elections. Tweedledum and Tweedledee?

        Commenter
        jja
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 3:32PM
        • Frankly I'm devastated. What am I to do now for entertainment? Surely The Barrel's ministers have started misbehaving?

          Commenter
          Steve
          Date and time
          July 31, 2013, 2:51PM
          • Don't fret, Labor are still to cough up further sensational court hearings - Thomson and Williamson. The ALP is the gift that keeps on giving for the Coalition.

            Commenter
            Tim of Altona
            Date and time
            July 31, 2013, 3:19PM
        • Eddie Obied did not get to where he was without the support and help of team Labor. The Stench within this house. Was always going to be a signpost. Pointing to this spilling out of political sins against the peoples.

          Commenter
          Edward James
          Date and time
          July 31, 2013, 2:43PM
          • OK. So now that ICAC have almost finished with this smelly political mess, and Commissioner Ipp has made his recommendations. It will be dragged through the courts, and all appeal process for god knows how long. People will no doubt die while waiting for any real result.

            Commenter
            Edward James
            Date and time
            July 31, 2013, 2:39PM
            • Good work Kate. Let's just hope the DPP can prosecute successfully and Macdonald and Obeid are sentenced to lengthy jail terms.

              Commenter
              John Dale
              Location
              sydney
              Date and time
              July 31, 2013, 2:31PM
              • Fabulous work Kate et al (you make an old journo's heart beat with hope for the future of investigative journalism in this country!) Full marks also to the courageous Comissioner Ipp and his staff as well. As a disillusioned former Labor voter (from a family who voted and supported the ALP for generations), I have been waiting for this day for years!!!Sadly, however, I have no faith that any of this crew will end up doing time. It's also a shame the ICAC inquiry into Wollongong Council wasn't this thorough, as the words "Sandon Point" might have become more known in the Sydney media (Kate McC knows exactly what I am writing about). Still, at least the community of the Hunter Valley who raised concerns about Mount Penny and the like can feel vindicated, even if the people of the Illawarra who saw similar corruption happening there for decades didn't get the ICAC result they deserved!

                Commenter
                jja
                Date and time
                July 31, 2013, 2:21PM
                • Lets not wait any longer, let's just vote the ALP out of govt at the election. We will all feel vindicated then. No more waiting!

                  Commenter
                  shiyoganai
                  Location
                  Sydney
                  Date and time
                  July 31, 2013, 2:58PM
              • Can we reopen the AWB enquiry using Commissioner Ipp and some proper guidelines. No use signaling one lot out. Everyone's forgotten the Askin and Bjelke Petersen governments?

                Commenter
                dogsbody
                Date and time
                July 31, 2013, 2:17PM
                • Yep it's hard to remember 40-50 years ago when most Australians weren't even born. Best you look forward to the Thommo and Willo trials coming up, they should be shining examples of ALP goodness.

                  Commenter
                  enough is enough
                  Location
                  Labor aprty La La Land
                  Date and time
                  July 31, 2013, 2:36PM
              • Congratulations to the SMH and Kate McClymont and other reporters.

                Commenter
                Be Fair
                Date and time
                July 31, 2013, 2:17PM
                • Tony Abbott's press conference is ridiculous. He's supposed to be commenting on the ICAC report. Anyone listening to Abbott would think that the ICAC report was into Kevin Rudd. Kevin Rudd is above any corruption. The Labor party is very fortunate it re-installed him. Abbott is looking totally incredible trying to link this with Rudd.

                  Commenter
                  Be Fair
                  Date and time
                  July 31, 2013, 2:14PM
                  • This is our opportunity to exact justice. It should absolutely be tied to Kevin Rudd. It happened on his watch. The ALP must be kicked out. The entire lot of them!

                    Commenter
                    shiyoganai
                    Location
                    Sydney
                    Date and time
                    July 31, 2013, 2:42PM
                  • Rudd was installed by NSW Labor - he holds office by virtue of NSW Labor. Trying to distance Rudd from NSW Labor won't wash.

                    Commenter
                    Tim of Altona
                    Date and time
                    July 31, 2013, 3:23PM
                • Fortunate the Labor party re-installed Kevin Rudd who has already started reforming the party. Notice how frantic Tony Abbott has been at his press conference to attempt to pin as much on Kevin Rudd as possible when there is nothing whatsoever in the ICAC report which justifies Abbott's attack on Rudd.

                  Commenter
                  Be Fair
                  Date and time
                  July 31, 2013, 2:09PM
                  • unless you care to notice that it was the NSW right that reinstalled Rudd - his mates Albanese, Bowen and Burke. albanese was even the one who blessed Ian macdonalds reappointment over lunch a few years back!

                    Commenter
                    kevin 457
                    Location
                    the gong
                    Date and time
                    July 31, 2013, 2:36PM
                  • I thought Rudd is the leader of the lab party..????

                    Commenter
                    sorry state
                    Location
                    nsw
                    Date and time
                    July 31, 2013, 2:37PM
                • Great photo of John Roberston, who seems to have a button on top of his head. Press the button and he will provide all the standard shocked and horrified responses.

                  Commenter
                  Jan
                  Date and time
                  July 31, 2013, 2:06PM
                  • I wish I could have most of my brain removed, so that I would seriously believe that the liberal party is a viable alternative.

                    Commenter
                    shucks
                    Date and time
                    July 31, 2013, 1:54PM
                    • Looks like the ALP has done its biggest 'selfie' yet.

                      Commenter
                      enough is enough
                      Location
                      Labor party La La Land
                      Date and time
                      July 31, 2013, 1:53PM
                      • How is Kate McClymont entitled to any credit? She is merely reporting on the results of the efforts of others. Clearly seeking to claim credit as all one trick show pony journos do - but if there is any credit due here it is due to the ICAC.

                        Commenter
                        JohnLT
                        Date and time
                        July 31, 2013, 1:48PM
                        • I was under the impression Lisa Davies was doing most of the legwork.....

                          Commenter
                          SmallTalk
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          July 31, 2013, 2:11PM
                      • Lets hope the DPP acts quickly to get this to the legal process.

                        Commenter
                        Neutral Voter
                        Date and time
                        July 31, 2013, 1:41PM
                        • Indeed, and DPP should include all of the magnificent 7 (not some). We want all corrupted to be penalized not pollies only!!!!

                          Commenter
                          Peter Simkin
                          Date and time
                          July 31, 2013, 1:59PM
                      • Long live Fairfax.
                        If Fairfax dies so does our democracy.

                        Commenter
                        Ian B
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        July 31, 2013, 1:40PM
                        • Almost none of this is reported in the Melbourne papers and where is Williamson and is he well

                          Commenter
                          Snorkelgronk
                          Date and time
                          July 31, 2013, 1:40PM
                          • Kate McClymont ought to wear Eddie Obeid's scorn with pride.
                            Chance of any of these jokers going to jail would be slim.
                            Lawyers will argue for years about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and some judge or appellate court will find these series of astonishing coincidences just that.

                            Commenter
                            Olaf
                            Date and time
                            July 31, 2013, 1:34PM
                            • Has Graham Richardson made a comment yet?

                              Commenter
                              Lebanna
                              Date and time
                              July 31, 2013, 1:27PM
                              • No wonder so many want to become pollies -- nice perks, side dish. Plus OAM to boot.

                                Commenter
                                Jojo
                                Location
                                Gladstone
                                Date and time
                                July 31, 2013, 1:23PM
                                • Party time at Liberal HQ! Gloat while you can.

                                  Commenter
                                  Germ
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  July 31, 2013, 1:22PM
                                  • They should not be too happy at Liberal headquarters. Ivan Petch, former Liberal MP and mayor of Ryde is the subject of a current ICAC investigation.

                                    Commenter
                                    Aneke
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 2:05PM
                                  • Fortunate the Labor party re-installed Kevin Rudd who has already started reforming the party - what has the PM done - nothing - the PM has only said he will do this -the matter would be voted on later in the year at the ALP conference - so your statement is incorrect

                                    Commenter
                                    Baltic13
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 2:31PM
                                  • Except on the scale of 'big fish', he's a guppy.

                                    Commenter
                                    Simon
                                    Location
                                    Sydney
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 2:46PM
                                • So Kevin, after the pinks batts, grocery watch, fuel watch, GP super clinics failed miserably, are we to expect NSW labor watch as your next big idea?

                                  Commenter
                                  Horace Pinker
                                  Location
                                  Sydney
                                  Date and time
                                  July 31, 2013, 1:14PM
                                  • Another day at the office for the ALP.

                                    Commenter
                                    Klangdang
                                    Location
                                    Wells Crossing NSW
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 1:10PM
                                    • Robertson is disgusted about no more Skiing holidays. Terribly sad for him and the other ALP holiday makers.

                                      Commenter
                                      enough is enough
                                      Location
                                      Labor party La La Land
                                      Date and time
                                      July 31, 2013, 1:45PM
                                  • OAMs for Kate McClymont and Linton Besser are in order. Fearless and excellent reporting. Thank you!

                                    Commenter
                                    PATW
                                    Location
                                    In a mine shaft
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 1:07PM
                                    • TOTALLY AGREE

                                      Commenter
                                      Peter Simkin
                                      Date and time
                                      July 31, 2013, 2:01PM
                                    • Absolutely!! Long live mcclymont!!!!!! Lets set her on the libs!!!

                                      Commenter
                                      Kate
                                      Location
                                      Newcastle
                                      Date and time
                                      July 31, 2013, 2:47PM
                                  • Yes, Kevin is disgusted. Bad timing. Not on election-eve, eh Kev.

                                    Commenter
                                    Jojo
                                    Location
                                    Gladstone
                                    Date and time
                                    July 31, 2013, 12:59PM
                                    • Rudd is disgusted; Plibasek is disgusted; Robertson is disgusted; Thomson is disgusted; Williamson is disgusted. See the pattern developing.

                                      Commenter
                                      enough is enough
                                      Location
                                      Labor party La La Land
                                      Date and time
                                      July 31, 2013, 12:55PM
                                      • Everyone says they are disgusted - move along - nothing to see here - it was happening under their watch - don't insult the voters with this rubbish

                                        Commenter
                                        Baltic13
                                        Date and time
                                        July 31, 2013, 1:41PM
                                      • Abbott is delighted!!

                                        Commenter
                                        Peter S
                                        Location
                                        Cassilis
                                        Date and time
                                        July 31, 2013, 1:57PM
                                    • Watch the minsters who were quick to accept Obeid's hospitality now distance themselves from him That's mateship, Labor-style.

                                      Commenter
                                      Jojo
                                      Location
                                      Gladstone
                                      Date and time
                                      July 31, 2013, 12:52PM
                                      • Ahh the Labor Party. Quality individuals !!

                                        Commenter
                                        RobMenzies
                                        Date and time
                                        July 31, 2013, 12:51PM
                                        • Look Eddie said he didn't do anything wrong; Ian said he didn't do anything wrong. It's a pattern of all ALP politicians that no matter what the damming evidence is - 'They haven't done anything wrong'

                                          Commenter
                                          enough is enough
                                          Location
                                          Labor party La La Land
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 1:18PM
                                      • I'm sure Kevin is disgusted about the pink batts too.

                                        Commenter
                                        Jojo
                                        Location
                                        Gladstone
                                        Date and time
                                        July 31, 2013, 12:49PM
                                        • Rudd is the biggest Hypocrite of all.
                                          Are you not contesting the Leadership Election for your own personnel gain.
                                          I cannot see a difference!!
                                          " Under no circumstance will I ever make a Leadership challenge " ring a bell ??

                                          Commenter
                                          sorry state
                                          Location
                                          nsw
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 1:33PM
                                      • Labor in all its glory.

                                        Commenter
                                        Jojo
                                        Location
                                        Gladstone
                                        Date and time
                                        July 31, 2013, 12:48PM
                                        • Grimy mob. Congrats to reporter (Kate)for exposing this. A job well done. Australian Government has to develop systems whereby people like these are exposed before they build up their millions. I dare say theres quite a few stories involving other parties as well, that haven't been exposed. My ears tell me this.

                                          Commenter
                                          wheresmymoneyobeid
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 12:42PM
                                          • Kate McClymont has done a magnificent job on following this story. indeed uncovering this story . Very well done to her.

                                            Commenter
                                            tip
                                            Location
                                            top
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:54PM
                                          • Um.. Wasn't this what ICAC was for? lol

                                            Commenter
                                            Niall
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:56PM
                                        • Now, having seen this, just watch the Australian electorate vote the ALP back into power at this years election -
                                          just like NSW over the last decade!
                                          Hilarious and tragic.

                                          Commenter
                                          FastEddy
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 12:26PM
                                          • Unfortunately in such a divisive country, federal labour is not responsible for State Labour.
                                            We should start having
                                            1)an Integrated Australia
                                            2) Integrated political parties
                                            3) Mandatory Conscience vote (MP should not vote on Chief Whip dictatorial wishes)

                                            Commenter
                                            Peter Simkin
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:33PM
                                          • Federal Labor is responsible for Williamson and Thomson - get's more murky every time you look.

                                            Commenter
                                            enough is enough
                                            Location
                                            Labor party La La Land
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:57PM
                                        • Kevin can squeal as much as he likes but he can't run away from the absolute truth that he was the most senior person in the Labor party when all this took place. The fact that it was NSW Labor is irrelevant. It was the Labor party and he was the boss.

                                          Commenter
                                          Point of View
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 12:25PM
                                          • And won't it be fun to see the PM try and get out of this one - nothing to see here folks

                                            Commenter
                                            Baltic13
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:39PM
                                          • Kevin, Does not have anything to do with Sate Labour party. We need a truly National party not various independent state parties.

                                            Commenter
                                            Peter Simkin
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:48PM
                                          • And thanks to many of the NSW Labor contingent he is back in power, but oh no, now he is disgusted or so he says. How convenient.
                                            Labor is like a weeping boil that needs to be excised.

                                            Commenter
                                            AM
                                            Location
                                            Sydney
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 2:22PM
                                        • I have just heard Rudd say "''I've been disgusted by what I've seen before ICAC and anyone responsible for corrupt behaviour should face the full force of the law.''
                                          Everybody has known what has been going on in NSW Labor for the past 20 years, and Rudd has just found out. It's the same with NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson, he was shocked
                                          at what has come out. How do these two think they got where they are.

                                          Commenter
                                          thepres
                                          Date and time
                                          July 31, 2013, 12:24PM
                                          • These blokes, Eddie, Ian and Moses were part of the labour party, as they would not have even got a look in at the liberal party. These hacks, were clever enough to deceive the hacks that surrounded them, however they were not clever enough to deceive the rest of us. As they say, you can fool all of the people some of the time, and fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

                                            Commenter
                                            True Colours
                                            Location
                                            la la land
                                            Date and time
                                            July 31, 2013, 12:19PM
                                            • It will be fun watching the PM trying to distance himself from this outcome - don't think it will wash with the voters - the ALP brand is tarnished - just look at Michael Williamson and Craig Thomson still to come

                                              Commenter
                                              Baltic13
                                              Date and time
                                              July 31, 2013, 12:15PM
                                              • It is a good day for honest people!

                                                Commenter
                                                Cyril
                                                Date and time
                                                July 31, 2013, 12:14PM
                                                • This reflects badly on Rudd and the whole Labor Party.

                                                  Commenter
                                                  Pete1
                                                  Location
                                                  Sydney
                                                  Date and time
                                                  July 31, 2013, 12:13PM
                                                  • Sadly while obeid and co were made to squirm in the spotlight of the enquiry, I really doubt that there would be evidence sufficient to convict them of anything but possibly perjury. Hopefully I am wrong and they get what they deserve!

                                                    Commenter
                                                    maxthestork
                                                    Location
                                                    Thornleigh
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 31, 2013, 12:12PM
                                                    • If convicted, it's about time we put some of our more unsavoury politcians behind bars - it would serve as a warning to the rest of them...

                                                      Commenter
                                                      mick_doe
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 31, 2013, 12:40PM
                                                    • nothing said at ICAC can be used as evidence for any conviction other than perjury. Hopefully there is enough other evidence for the DPP to proceed

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Tired Camel
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 31, 2013, 12:49PM
                                                    • Tired Camel - Why wait for the DPP? Let's exact our own justice by voting the ALP out of government. Kick them out!

                                                      Commenter
                                                      shiyoganai
                                                      Location
                                                      Sydney
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 31, 2013, 1:57PM
                                                  • Everyone ICAC has referred to the DPP must have their assets frozen and passports surrendered ASAP.

                                                    Commenter
                                                    Astounded
                                                    Location
                                                    Bowral
                                                    Date and time
                                                    July 31, 2013, 12:06PM
                                                    • A child born today has a life expectancey of 83 years - I wonder if that is long enough to see labor back in power in NSW?

                                                      Commenter
                                                      Andrew R
                                                      Location
                                                      Wagga
                                                      Date and time
                                                      July 31, 2013, 12:01PM
                                                      • Going on the length of time it is taking for ex Federal Labor MP Craig Thompson to have his day in Court one must expect lengthy delays before Obeid and MacDonald's cases will be finalised.

                                                        Commenter
                                                        noitall
                                                        Location
                                                        Beacon Hill
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 31, 2013, 12:00PM
                                                        • The Thompson affair is a very good window into the future of this saga. These clowns don't belive that normal rules and the law apply to them.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Andrew R
                                                          Location
                                                          Wagga
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 31, 2013, 12:17PM
                                                        • AndrewR,
                                                          So those normal rules would be "Innocent until proven guilty"? Trial by Media? or what?

                                                          I'm prepared to condemn someone only after the courts have dealt with it, otherwise it's very hard to wipe the egg off your own face if you're wrong.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          Econorat
                                                          Location
                                                          sydney
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 31, 2013, 12:29PM
                                                        • No econorat-no one is suggesting a lynch mob.We need the judicial system to stop dragging the chain -the ICAC inquiry has already taken three years!!!!!

                                                          Commenter
                                                          noitall
                                                          Location
                                                          Beacon Hill
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 31, 2013, 1:56PM
                                                      • These findings are all welcome, but ICAC has to take some of the blame for this mess. If their role is to prevent corrupt conduct what were they doing over the past 10 years? Sitting on their hands?

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Barney Gumble
                                                        Location
                                                        Sydney
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 31, 2013, 12:00PM
                                                        • Well blame the LNP, they are the ones who set up ICAC in the first place,

                                                          That is if you think it is really possible to "prevent" corruption. Like any law enforcement agency it's existence doesn't stop people breaking the law, the only deterrent is the possibility of being caught.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          george
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 31, 2013, 12:44PM
                                                      • It would appear as though the Obeids, Macdonald, et al would not know the truth if they fell over it.. let's hope they cop the same treatment they have given to the people of NSW

                                                        Commenter
                                                        Justice Chaser
                                                        Location
                                                        Long Bay
                                                        Date and time
                                                        July 31, 2013, 11:47AM
                                                        • Good, a very good start.It's well past time that characters such as these were brought to account. Let's hope the relevant authorities now pull out all the stops and pursue them as vigorously as possible.

                                                          Commenter
                                                          countryman
                                                          Date and time
                                                          July 31, 2013, 11:41AM
                                                          • Eddie and Co. will have an army of Lawyers and Barristers for the pending prosecutions but that's ok - I'm a patient man!

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Tank Engine
                                                            Location
                                                            Sydney
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 31, 2013, 11:37AM
                                                            • Hopefully all their assets are immediately frozen and they can't afford their lawyers.

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Moutarde
                                                              Location
                                                              Sydney
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 31, 2013, 1:47PM
                                                          • I can only hope that the NSW legal system persues them them with the same vigour it displayed it hounded me over a parking fine (that was incorrectly given to me in the first place).

                                                            Commenter
                                                            Rocco
                                                            Date and time
                                                            July 31, 2013, 11:33AM
                                                            • Where is Graham Richardson?

                                                              Commenter
                                                              Old Mary
                                                              Location
                                                              Westies
                                                              Date and time
                                                              July 31, 2013, 11:31AM
                                                              • Confiscate and appropriate ALL their assets; otherwise there's no Credibility and will only encourage such (corrupt) behaviour in the future. If there is no such asset appropriation than I myself will understand that in Australia It Is Right and encouraged to be Corrupt and Lie and I will adopt a similar behaviour to the maximum level. Now it's the time to set an example or await much more similar behaviour.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Daniel
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 31, 2013, 11:28AM
                                                                • Proceeds of crime are (usually for mere mortals) automatically confiscated. These jokers will be flat out getting a thousand dollar fine.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  greg
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 12:14PM
                                                              • What the DPP now needs to do is press criminal charges against them.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                In Amber Clad
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 31, 2013, 11:28AM
                                                                • I agree, however after the Lies, Lies and more Lies, Money, Money and much more Money will continue to protect these spivs against prosecution!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  GI
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 12:05PM
                                                              • Get all their profits, get all their superannuation, and put it back into the NSW government coffers to fund better childcare and child protection. That's where it should have gone in the first place... and they wont need much cash where they're going.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                tooban
                                                                Location
                                                                Sydney
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 31, 2013, 11:10AM
                                                                • Yes, I agree, but you watch them hire the most expensive legal team in history and get off.
                                                                  Justice can be bought in Australia, unfortunately.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  selector 2
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 11:25AM
                                                                • Totally agree, then throw away the keys.
                                                                  Thanks for coming Labor.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Alan
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 11:49AM
                                                              • With some luck, these people will be made into an object lesson, worthy of a place in the history books for all time.

                                                                I am surprised about Roozendaal's ruling though.

                                                                Commenter
                                                                Myself
                                                                Date and time
                                                                July 31, 2013, 11:09AM
                                                                • Finally the truth, now these guys need to sleep in the bed they made. As they say in the classics, he who laughs last laughs loudest, and I don't hear Eddie, Ian or Moses laughing. LOL. ALl the best BOYS.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  True colours
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Big Dog
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 11:03AM
                                                                  • True Colours,
                                                                    The problem is that the ICAC findings don't hold the same weight as a court. ICAC can make findings on the 'balance of probabilities'; however a criminal court needs a higher 'beyond reasonable doubt' finding.
                                                                    Unfortunately it may not reach that level when it goes to court.
                                                                    I am neither defending nor accusing the system but that's just the way it is.
                                                                    Don't be surprised if it fails in the courts because they didn't come up with any 'smoking gun'.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Econorat
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 11:26AM
                                                                  • Econorat,
                                                                    What you say is all well known, if that was to happen then the Labour movement has an even bigger problem on its hands. AND that my friend is the very reason why these blokes will get the book thrown at them. No holds barred.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    True Colours
                                                                    Location
                                                                    La La Land
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 12:09PM
                                                                  • It's not just the Labor movement alone.
                                                                    You may not remember some blokes called Beljke Peterson or Robert Askin in the past. Let's not forget about Skase, Bond, etc too.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Econorat
                                                                    Location
                                                                    sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 12:31PM
                                                                  • Econorat that may be true - but I doubt we'll see an Labor pollies go to jail anytime soon like Bond, but we can all hold out hope they leave the country and go live in Majorca like Skase.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Tired Camel
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 12:53PM
                                                                • So it has taken ICAC 12mths and how ever many millions of dollars to uncover what everyone in NSW already knew. Well done !!

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  Mark M
                                                                  Location
                                                                  Sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 10:57AM
                                                                  • ICAC has uncovered the facts in a form which will be the basis for prosecution and possibly asset confiscation. That is fay beyond rumours which everyone knew.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Aneke
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 11:30AM
                                                                  • Was thinking exactly the same thing, it isn't rocket science.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Jaz
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Narara
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 11:45AM
                                                                  • And most of it while Bob Carr was premier as well. I wonder what he has to say.
                                                                    Instead, he is rewarded with a federal position by Gillard and maintained by Rudd.

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    AM
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 2:07PM
                                                                • Justice delayed is justice denied. Let's hope that any findings of corruption are acted on with all due speed.

                                                                  Commenter
                                                                  jmfloki
                                                                  Location
                                                                  sydney
                                                                  Date and time
                                                                  July 31, 2013, 10:55AM
                                                                  • I really hope that the long suffering Tax payer gets justice here...however I'm not holding my breath!

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    tip
                                                                    Location
                                                                    top
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 10:48AM
                                                                    • Exactly. Get ready for years of appeals, watered down charges, plea bargains,and maybe just maybe a firm slap on the wrist. And forfieture of assetts? Dreaming!! The snouts may be out of the trough, but they got a gutful to last them a lifetime!

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      blackheart1916
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 31, 2013, 11:40AM
                                                                    • You know the saying " you are never guilty until you run out of money"

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Alan
                                                                      Location
                                                                      Sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 31, 2013, 12:18PM
                                                                    • blackheart,
                                                                      You don't appear to know the difference between a ICAC finding and a criminal court finding.
                                                                      There is a huge difference in the admissibility of evidence and the onus of proof and the 'probability of guilt' versus 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

                                                                      Commenter
                                                                      Econorat
                                                                      Location
                                                                      sydney
                                                                      Date and time
                                                                      July 31, 2013, 12:38PM
                                                                  • Eddie Obeid did not get to where he is by playing nice. I'd say he has a fair bit of dirt on some people pretty high up the government food chain. & if he goes down, well, do the math..
                                                                    Charges against him may be recommended (hopefully) but I have a hunch the legal process may be stalled, delayed & appealed etc at every turn further down the track, & the case eventually thrown out because it is costing the taxpayers too much & he'll walk away the golden boy.
                                                                    Ian MacDonald however will be hung out to dry...
                                                                    Like I said, just a hunch..

                                                                    Commenter
                                                                    Vince
                                                                    Location
                                                                    Sydney
                                                                    Date and time
                                                                    July 31, 2013, 10:45AM
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