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    Eddie Obeid, Ian Macdonald acted corruptly, ICAC finds

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    The Independent Commission Against Corruption has handed down its findings after the state's most sensational corruption inquiry. Read back to see how it unfolded.

  • 'Superficiality and bias': Eddie Obeid responds to ICAC findings he acted corruptly
  • Moses Obeid denies any unlawful behaviour
  • Eight key players recommended for criminal charges
  • Eddie Obeid.

    "Engaged in corrupt conduct": Eddie Obeid. Photo: Dallas Kilponen

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    JUDITH IRELAND: In an afternoon press conference in Sydney, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott drew links between federal Labor and its NSW counterparts, calling the Independent Commission Against Corruption’s findings ‘‘a black day in the history of the Labor Party’’.

    Mr Abbott called on Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to ‘‘come clean’’ about all the dealings his senior ministers had with Mr Macdonald and Mr Obeid.

    ‘‘We all know how the NSW Labor Party works. We all know that this is a giant network of intrigue and influence. We all know that it operates on the basis of special deals and special favours for special mates,’’ he told reporters.

    ‘‘Mr Rudd needs to personally grill his ministers, he needs to personally grill [NSW Labor secretary Sam] Dastyari - the would-be senator - and [Matt] Thistlethwaite - the would-be member for Kingsford Smith - and get to bottom of their links with the Obeid-Macdonald machine.’’

    In attacking Mr Rudd, Mr Abbott also said his plan to impose harsh criminal penalties for union officials breaking the rules would be a top-order priority for a Coalition government, calling on the Prime Minister to back the plan, even though Labor has not previously supported the legislation.

    LINTON BESSER:

    JUDITH IRELAND: Eddie Obeid could now lose his OAM in the wake of the ICAC findings against him.

    Mr Obeid was awarded the prestigious Medal of the Order of Australia in June 1984 for "services to ethnic welfare".

    According to the Constitution of the Order of Australia, the Governor-General can cancel an award "if a court, tribunal or other body exercising judicial or administrative power under ... a law of the Commonwealth, a state or a territory ... has made a finding that is adverse to the holder of the appointment or award."

    A person can similarly lose their award if they are convicted of a crime.

    The Governor-General can also cancel an award if "in the opinion of the Governor-General, the holder of the appointment or award has behaved or acted in a manner that has brought disrepute on the order."

    A spokesman for Governor-General Quentin Bryce could not comment on "individual situations" on Wednesday, but said that the Council for the Order of Australia "investigates all matters brought to its attention".

    He said that any decision Ms Bryce would make would be on the advice of the Council.

    A notice of termination or cancellation would then be made in the Commonwealth of Australia Gazette.

    Former NSW Labor premier Nathan Rees says he believes the ICAC's findings will be damaging to Labor during the upcoming federal election.

    ''I've estimated that it's worth 2 to 3 per cent of the primary vote,'' he said in an interview with Eleanor Hall on ABC Radio. 

    ''Now there's no way in the world that I can empirically demonstrate that, but I make it my business to talk to lots of people in my electorate and around NSW and this issue emerges time and again.

    ''The infamy of the characters involved has bled into the federal sphere and the federal election campaign.''

    Mr Rees said he also believed the findings tainted ''parliamentarians everywhere, whether they're Liberal or Labor or any other stripe.

    ''The hard work that goes on by hundreds of good parliamentarians on both sides across Australia is smeared when these sorts of acts of maladministration of public office are aired.''

    He also said the findings had been very damaging for the Labor Party, ''and it will take some time for us to restore trust in us.

    ''But this is a small step, it's important that justice be seen to be done.''

    Listen to the full interview here.

    JUDITH IRELAND:

    We've uploaded the three ICAC reports (they can be slow to download from the ICAC website). You can access them below if you're so inclined.

    Operation Jasper (the major report, concerning the coal tender and involving Ian Macdonald, Eddie Obeid and Moses Obeid)

    Operation Jarilo (concerning Ian Macdonald, Ron Medich and a prostitute named Tiffanie)

    Operation Indus (concerning Moses Obeid and Eric Roozendaal and a cheap Honda)

     

    NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson has just held a press conference to express his ''disgust'' at the actions of Ian Macdonald and Eddie Obeid, who ''used the name of the Labor Party to advance their own personal interests''.

    ''I have nothing but disdain for their actions and each of them,'' he said.

    Mr Robertson said he accepted all findings that were made by the commission, dismissing Mr Obeid's accusation of "superficiality and bias"

    He said the NSW Labor party reforms, spearheaded by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, would ensure ''we never have people like this in our party again.''

    Under the reforms, anyone found guilty of corruption would be expelled from the party. Any member investigated for conduct bringing the party into disrepute would be suspended.

    ''I'm angry because we've seen an abuse of public trust to rip off taxpayers,'' Mr Robertson said.

    ''I'm appalled and disgusted by that.''

    Mr Robertson also said he was confident that NSW Labor would come back from this with ''hard work and continued effort''. 

    Assistant General Secretary Jamie Clements from the NSW Branch of the Labor party has confirmed via Twitter that Moses Obeid, Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald have been banished from the party forever.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will hold a press conference at 1.50pm to make a comment on the ICAC findings.

    A reader has just reminded me of what Eddie said about me in parliament.

    ‘‘McClymont has been mixing with scum for so long that she no longer knows who is good and who is bad, what is real and what is made up. She has become the journalistic equivalent of a gun moll with glittering associations with the not so well-to-do. Despite this being well known, management of The Sydney Morning Herald continue to grant her prime, unscrutinised space. How many more times must my sons and I take action in the courts to redress the damage this journalist has inflicted?’’

    ICAC's inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the issue of an invitation to Doyles Creek Pty Ltd to apply for, and allocation of, an exploration licence will be handed down next month.

    Pity, as Macca could've scored the Trifecta.

    Surely it won't be long before someone turns the whole ICAC saga into a screenplay? Ten's entertainment reporter Angela Bishop may have the jump on it.

    To summarise, there are eight key players that have been flagged for consideration for criminal charges:

    Eddie Obeid, Moses Obeid, Ian Macdonald, Travers Duncan, Richard Poole, John Atkinson, John McGuigan and John Kinghorn.

    After he finished giving evidence to ICAC earlier this year, Ian Macdonald said:

    "When the evidence is finally fully assessed I will not be found guilty of any wrongdoing whatsoever... I believe this has been a very sensationalist process."

    Ian MacDonald

    Ian MacDonald Photo: Rob Homer

    During the hearings, it was unclear just how much money the Obeids stood to gain if the Mount Penny coal mine went ahead.

    As well as the $30 million the Obeids have already received, their interest could be worth between $50 million and $100 million, the report found. 

    Further to that earlier post, Eddie Obeid was awarded his Order of Australia Medal in 1984 for "services to ethnic welfare".

    He was the part-time Ethnic Affairs Commissioner from 1981-85 and Vice-President Ethnic Press Association of Australia from 1981-86.

    Will Eddie Obeid lose his Order of Australia Medal and illustrious "OAM" from his title?

    Under the Order of Australia Terminations and Cancellations Ordinance, the Governor-General may terminate an appointment or cancel an award "if a court, tribunal or other body exercising judicial or administrative power ... has made a finding that is adverse to the holder of the appointment or award".

    The Ordinance also says: "The Governor-General may terminate an appointment, or cancel an award, if, in the opinion of the Governor-General, the holder of the appointment or award has behaved of acted in a manner that has brought disrepute on the Order."

    Another good quote from the ICAC hearings...

    ICAC heard Amanda Poole's bank account was used by her husband Richard to channel millions of dollars to the Obeids.

    It was suggested to Mrs Poole, who does not work, that it must have come as a surprise that her taxable income for 2011-12 was $6 million. Mrs Poole said she knew nothing about her finances.

    ''I only ever use my credit card because I get frequent flyer points.''

    And of course, Moses Obeid allegedly approached a private detective to have our own Kate McClymont followed. His beef was that she had led a campaign against him and his family and they needed to find a way to make her stop.

    Here's the back story.

    Reporters who were allegedly threatened have described feeling vindicated by the commissioner's findings this morning. ABC 7.30 reporter Louise Milligan says she was told she would be "destroyed" if she did a story on Ian Macdonald aka Sir Lunchalot.

    Eddie and Moses Obeid have both vowed to consult their legal representatives with a view to taking further legal action.

    They have the right to seek a "judicial review".

    Commissioner Ipp gave the following comments on evidence from Eddie Obeid's other sons:

    "The Commission is unable to rely upon the evidence of Paul Obeid, Gerard Obeid and Damian Obeid. Paul Obeid’s evidence is subject to similar criticisms to that of his brother, Moses Obeid. In particular, Paul Obeid’s repeated attempts to recount the story of the threat posed by the Anglo tenement are not believable, and his repetition of that story was designed to mislead the Commission. Gerard Obeid’s evidence was of a slightly different character – he was less strident and he left an impression that he was mainly acting under the direction of his brothers, Moses and Paul. Nevertheless, Gerard Obeid also recounted evidence that, while consistent with that of Moses and Paul Obeid, was not believable. Damian Obeid testified that the Obeid family obtained options to purchase Donola and Coggan Creek because these properties were suitable for “grazing purposes”. The Commission considers that there is no truth in such evidence whatsoever. This evidence, in the Commission’s view, taints all of Damian Obeid’s evidence."

    Moses Obeid has released a statement as well now. Like his father, he has gone on the attack.

    "I have strived to cooperate with ICAC since the inception of this enquiry [sic] and have been open and candid with ICAC Officers over what have now been many months of invasive investigations and Public Hearings. I deny any unlawful behaviour on my part. The allegations against me are strongly denied as is any suggestion that I have acted corruptly. Despite the immense pressure brought to bare upon my family, I am committed to defending my good name and reputation whenever required to in the future and I will do so with the support and strength of my family."

    Accused of " criminal conspiracy" ... Moses Obeid.

    Accused of " criminal conspiracy" ... Moses Obeid. Photo: Rob Homer

    NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson.

    NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson. Photo: Wolter Peeters

    Opposition Leader John Robertson has slammed the "appalling abuse of public office by Obeid and Macdonald".

    No word from Barry O'Farrell yet.

    The question now is, what will happen to Cascade Coal's Mount Penny exploration licence? Greens MP John Kaye has called on Premier Barry O'Farrell to cancel it.

    As for Ian Macdonald's report card from Commissioner Ipp? He could do much better, reports Kate McClymont.

    "Mr Macdonald was an unsatisfactory witness. In some instances, the Commission has come to the view that Mr Macdonald gave deliberately untrue evidence – it is sufficient here to refer briefly to three examples: his evidence that he believed that the Obeid family property was on the Anglo (Anglo Coal (Bylong) Pty Ltd is referred to in this report as “Anglo”) tenement and not next door to it, his evidence regarding the discovery of Mount Penny in an atlas, and his evidence explaining his reasons for giving Moses Obeid the list of mining companies (the detail of these matters will be dealt with later in the report). In other instances, the Commission came to a view that Mr Macdonald was tailoring his evidence to fit the evidence of other witnesses, and attempting to concoct an innocent explanation to explain away damning facts. In many instances, Mr Macdonald demonstrated an unwillingness to answer direct questions. He attempted to avoid answering direct questions if answering the questions could do him harm. Overall, the Commission came to the view that it could not rely on any of the evidence of Mr Macdonald, save where it involved an admission against interest or where it was corroborated by evidence the Commission regarded as reliable."

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has moved to distance federal Labor from a damning ICAC report that found two former NSW Labor ministers have engaged in corrupt conduct.

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    Moses Obeid did not feature much better in the credibility stakes, Kate McClymont reports.

    Here's what the report said of him:

    "Moses Obeid was an unreliable witness, willing to lie or mislead whenever it suited his purpose. There are numerous instances where he deliberately lied at the public inquiry. The details of these matters are set out throughout this report. They include the evidence that he gave in respect of his contacts with Mr Macdonald, his receipt of the list of mining companies from Mr Macdonald, his contacts with Mr Brook, and his contacts with the investors in Cascade. His account, given in conjunction with his father (Edward Obeid Sr), regarding how he came to know of coal in the area of Cherrydale, was demonstrated to be a fabrication."

    Commissioner Ipp on Eddie Obeid's credibility:

    "Edward Obeid Sr was an unimpressive witness. The Commission would be hesitant in accepting his evidence on any contentious issue. He gave evidence on some important issues which, for reasons explained below, the Commission regarded as deliberately untrue. The Commission regarded his repeated attempts to distance himself from the Obeid family businesses as deliberately false, and merely an attempt to construct a defensive position between him and some of the issues that lie at the heart of this inquiry. He was an aggressive witness and seemed to be more concerned with imposing his will on the proceedings than with simply telling the truth. From time to time, this aggression manifested itself in a determination to make speeches arguing his case, irrespective of the question. It was plain that, if he felt that an honest answer could damage his position, he simply evaded providing an answer."

    ICAC finds that Ian Macdonald's excuse for why he was in the Four Seasons hotel room with prostitute Tiffanie - that he had "neck tiredness" and was expecting a remedial massage - was "inherently incredible".

    Eddie Obeid's statement continues:

    ‘‘I reject the assertions by the Commissioner that I acted in any way that could amount to corrupt conduct. It will be necessary for me to consult my legal representatives before any detailed response is to be published, but I wish to make it clear that I reserve my right to seek judicial review in respect of the adverse findings.’’

    The "Tiffanie" report says Tuscany owner Frank Moio said former Mining Minister Ian Macdonald attended his restaurants "on a weekly basis".

    Frank Moio leaves an ICAC hearing in December 2011.

    Frank Moio leaves an ICAC hearing in December 2011. Photo: Edwina Pickles

    The statement from Eddie Obeid, distributed by law firm Breene & Breene solicitors, says:

    "I regret to have to say that it was as I anticipated - given the animosity of both counsel assisting and the Commissioner during the hearing phases."

    He has accused ICAC of showing "superficiality and bias".

    Eddie Obeid has released a statement saying that he rejects the findings and will consult his legal team.

    There have been plenty of great quotes to remember from ICAC:

    "His nickname was that he was 'Obeid's left testicle'." -NSW Labor MP Luke Foley on Ian Macdonald.

    "I was given a higher title... Sir Lunchalot." - Ian Macdonald responding to his barrister when asked if he had been upset at being called Mr Lunchalot.

    Travers Duncan

    Travers Duncan Photo: Mick Tsikas

    Some of the "Magnificent Seven" from Cascade Coal have also fared badly in the report.

    Not only has Comissioner Ipp recommended Travers Duncan, Richard Poole, John Atkinson and John McGuigan be referred to the DPP for criminal charges over possible breaches of the Corporations Act, he also suggested that they attempted to misleads the ASX.

    "There was evidence before the Commission of attempts by some directors of White Energy to evade a request from ASX for information concerning the calculation of Cascade’s capitalised mining costs. There was other evidence that a false announcement was made to ASX concerning the reason for terminating the proposed arrangement between White Energy and Cascade."

    However ... Although Paul Obeid and his business partners, the brothers Rocco and Rosario Triulcio, did not get slapped with corruption findings, they have been referred to the state's prosecutor for giving false evidence to the anti-corruption commission.

    So too has Moses Obeid, who the ICAC said had given four counts of false testimony.

    Paul Obeid

    Paul Obeid Photo: Tamara Dean

    Some other members of the Obeid clan have had better luck.

    ICAC has found there was insufficient evidence that the other Obeids interviewed about the Honda car deal - Eddie Obeid's father Eddie Snr and Paul Obeid - had acted corruptly. The same goes for their property developer friends and business partners, brothers Rocco and Rosario Triulcio.

    On the big one - Operation JASPER and the corrupt Cascade Coal licenses - Kate McClymont reports that the Obeid's millions might be at risk with Commissioner Ipp recommending NSW Crime Commission possibly applying to the Supreme Court of NSW for an assets forfeiture order.

    He goes on to say that "the Supreme Court of NSW may make such an order where it finds that a person has engaged in serious crime-related activity, even if the person has not been charged or convicted of any criminal offence".

    On the "Tiffanie" affair, ICAC has referred Ian Macdonald and Ron Medich to the DPP for corruption charges which carry a seven year jail term.

    Ron Medich

    Ron Medich Photo: Jon Reid

    The question of what Eric Roozendaal knew or was told about the purchase turns to a large degree on what he was told by Moses Obeid.

    The ICAC has found that "Moses Obeid was not a truthful witness, and his evidence could not be relied upon for any purpose, including deciding what he may or may not have told Mr Roozendaal".

    The ICAC has accepted an argument made by Eric Roozendaal's lawyer that his actions displayed a lack of "judgment or insight".

    The former Roads Minister had admitted he had obtained an almost new car at a substantial discount and that "he was allowed to take the car away... without having signed any documents or paid any money because Moses Obeid was a friend of [the car dealer] and had made such arrangements".

    The report notes that it was difficult for the Commission to uncover the full truth about Mr Roozendaal’s involvement in, and knowledge of, the transactions that led to the purchase of the Honda CR-V on his behalf.

    This is because Mr Roozendaal allowed Moses Obeid to play a major role in organising the purchase of the car, and dealt almost exclusively with Moses Obeid in respect of the purchase. 

    Eric Roozendaal.

    Eric Roozendaal. Photo: Kate Geraghty

    Not surprisingly, the Twittersphere is loving the first taste of ICAC's findings of corrupt conduct.

    The findings are so substantial that boxes had to be wheeled into state Parliament on trolleys this morning, reports the Financial Review's Michaela Whitbourn.

    More from Linton Besser on Operation INDUS (regarding Eric Roozendaal and the cheap Honda):

    The ICAC has declared that Moses Obeid acted corruptly by providing a $10,800 discount for Eric Roozendaal, the former NSW treasurer and Labor party boss, on a Honda CRV.

    The ICAC said this was an "inducement for Mr Roozendaal to show favour to Obeid business interests in the exercise of his official functions".

    But the Commission said there was "insufficient evidence" to show Mr Roozendaal knew of the complex arrangements that led to him benefiting from this discount.

    The ICAC's website has crashed yet again.

    Just to confirm: former NSW Mining Minister Ian Macdonald, former minister Eddie Obeid and his son Moses Obeid have engaged in corrupt conduct, ICAC has found.

    However, former Roads Minister Eric Roozendaal did not engage in corrupt conduct, the commission has found.

    The NSW Legislative Council says the reports will be made public on ICAC's website shortly. Some entertaining lunch-time reading for you all.

    "I felt very reluctant to be kissed by him" ... "Tiffanie", a 38-year-old escort, gave evidence at the ICAC corruption inquiry.

    "I felt very reluctant to be kissed by him" ... "Tiffanie", a 38-year-old escort, gave evidence at the ICAC corruption inquiry. Photo: Wolter Peeters

    During an investigation in 2011, the commission heard that Mr Macdonald arranged a lunch meeting at the Tuscany restaurant in Leichhardt between Mr Medich and Country Energy executives Craig Murray and Bill Frewen on July 15, 2009.

    Mr Medich and his associate, former boxer Lucky Gattellari, used the meeting to complain about the lack of success their firm, Rivercorp, was having securing government contracts.

    After lunch, Mr Macdonald was taken by Mr Gattellari’s driver, Senad Kaminic, to the five-star Four Seasons hotel in the Rocks where he was handed a room key.

    Waiting in the hotel room was a Chinese prostitute, "Tiffanie", who told the commission she understood sex was expected from her.

    More from Sean Nicholls on Operation JARILO and Ian Macdonald's hotel rendezvous with Tiffanie:

    ICAC will ask the Director of Public Prosecutions to consider whether criminal charges should be brought against Mr Macdonald for ‘‘an offence of corruptly receiving a benefit’’ from Mr Medich and Mr Gattellari and ‘‘misconduct in public office’’.

    The commission will also seek advice from the DPP about whether to prosecute Medich for ‘‘corruptly giving a benefit to Mr Macdonald as a reward.’’

    Each offence carries a maximum penalty of seven years in jail.

    On Operation INDUS (Eric Roozendaal and the cheap car), former Roads Minister Roozendaal has been found not to be corrupt. Moses Obeid was deemed corrupt for procuring a cheap Honda for the Roozendaal family in return for favours.

    On Operation JARILO, Sean Nicholls reports that former Mining Minister Ian Macdonald has been found to have engaged in corrupt conduct for accepting the services of a prostitute, Tiffanie, in return for arranging meetings between the businessman Ron Medich and executives from state-run power companies.

    FIRST FINDINGS ARE IN: ICAC has found that Ian Macdonald, Eddie Obeid and Moses Obeid engaged in corrupt conduct and should be referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    The findings are so substantial that boxes had to be wheeled into state parliament on trolleys this morning, reports the Financial Review's Michaela Whitbourn.

    Kate McClymont reports that ICAC's website has already crashed just minutes after the three reports went up online.

    And we're off. The ABC's state political reporter says the reports have officially been tabled.

    Home Affairs Minister and western Sydney MP Jason Clare also didn't mince his words on Sky News this morning.

    "Throw the book at them, prosecute to the full extent of the law," he said.

    He said the Labor party needs to reform itself to make sure ICAC investigations like this one never happen again.

    Questions loom over what kind of ramifications the findings will have for the Labor party, whose reputation has been severely dented by the explosive corruption allegations.

    Already this morning, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has said he's been "disgusted by what has been revealed in the ICAC hearings," Channel 10 reporter Georgi Glover has Tweeted.

    What might we expect from the three reports this morning?

    Kate McClymont reported yesterday that the three key figures - Ian Macdonald, Eddie Obeid and Moses Obeid - are likely to have criminal charges recommended against them for conspiracy to defraud.

    Moses Obeid leaves the Latteria coffee shop in Darlinghurst through a back entrance.

    Moses Obeid leaves the Latteria coffee shop in Darlinghurst through a back entrance. Photo: Anne Davies

    The Herald's team has already spotted Moses Obeid this morning escaping the Latteria coffee shop in Darlinghurst through a back entrance into a waiting Range Rover.

    There have been some key moments over several months of hearings:

    Ian Macdonald was forced on one occasion to deny he was a "crook".

    Mr Obeid retorted on another that he had "spent more money than (counsel assisting Geoffrey Watson had) made in a lifetime".

    And the proceedings proved so sensational that members of the public began queuing outside the seventh-floor ICAC hearing room, deck chairs in hand. "Try and control yourselves at the back; at least refrain from clapping,'' Commissioner David Ipp warned the boisterous public gallery in one instance.

    Ian Macdonald

    Ian Macdonald Photo: Rob Homer

    SMH front page, November 13

    SMH front page, November 13

    The inquiry first hit the front pages in November with counsel assisting Geoffrey Watson saying in his opening address that the allegations, if proven, would constitute "corruption on a scale probably unexceeded since the days of the Rum Corps".

    That quote will go down as one of the best, no matter what the outcome this morning.

    Here's is a good backgrounder from Kate McClymont looking back at the sensational inquiry into government corruption.

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    Senior reporter Kate McClymont looks back at the inquiry into alleged NSW government corruption by the Independent Commission Against Corruption.

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    How will it work this morning? Three reports will be tabled in state parliament and posted online on ICAC's website. There will be no official proceedings and none of the key players involved in the inquiries are required to be anywhere.

    Linton Besser will be going through the report into Operation INDUS.

    This investigation looked at allegations that former Roads Minister Eric Roozendaal received a $10,400 discount on a Honda from Eddie Obeid's family in return for favours.

    Roozendaal's wife wrote off the family Honda and the search for a replacement, of course, led to Eddie Obeid, who passed the matter to his son Moses who was able to find a $44,800 Honda which would cost the Roozendaals just $34,000.

    Sean Nicholls will be going through the findings from Operation JARILO.

    This inquiry looked into allegations that businessman Ron Medich (who, incidentally, has been charged with the murder of Cremorne businessman Michael McGurk) offered former NSW Mining Minister Ian Macdonald inducements - including the services of a prostitute called Tiffanie - to arrange meetings with state energy executives.

    After a lunch at Tuscany's with Mr Medich and Craig Murray, the head of state power company Mr Macdonald met with Tiffanie in a Sydney hotel room but says he fell asleep after little more than a "neck massage".

    There are three separate reports to be tabled in state parliament at 10.30am and we have three reporters on the case.

    Kate McClymont will be sifting through the big one: Operation JASPER.

    This deals with allegations former NSW Mining Minister Ian Macdonald rigged a 2008 coal tender process to benefit former NSW minister Eddie Obeid and his family to the tune of around $30-$70 million dollars.

    The Obeids and his acquaintances bought property in the Bylong Valley near Mudgee just before Mr Macdonald agreed to open a mining area in the Valley for coal exploration, which greatly increased the value of the Obeid holdings.

    Welcome to our live blog on the Independent Commission Against Corruption's findings into the state's most sensational corruption inquiry in history.

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    • Brings to mind the Labor illuminaries getting free weekends away at Obeid's ski lodge - Stephen Conroy and our newly minted Immigration Minister Tony Burke to name but two.

      Obeid has no connection to Federal Labor?

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    • Dear shiyoganai

      Thanks for responding to my comment on Sydney ICAC and Wollongong ICAC. As BOTH major parties in NSW have their hands dirtied through their involvement in Sandon Point and other Illawarra development issues, I fail to see why I should vote for either in any upcming elections. Tweedledum and Tweedledee?

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      July 31, 2013, 3:32PM
    • Frankly I'm devastated. What am I to do now for entertainment? Surely The Barrel's ministers have started misbehaving?

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      Steve
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      July 31, 2013, 2:51PM
      • Don't fret, Labor are still to cough up further sensational court hearings - Thomson and Williamson. The ALP is the gift that keeps on giving for the Coalition.

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        July 31, 2013, 3:19PM
    • Eddie Obied did not get to where he was without the support and help of team Labor. The Stench within this house. Was always going to be a signpost. Pointing to this spilling out of political sins against the peoples.

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      July 31, 2013, 2:43PM
    • OK. So now that ICAC have almost finished with this smelly political mess, and Commissioner Ipp has made his recommendations. It will be dragged through the courts, and all appeal process for god knows how long. People will no doubt die while waiting for any real result.

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      Edward James
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      July 31, 2013, 2:39PM
    • Good work Kate. Let's just hope the DPP can prosecute successfully and Macdonald and Obeid are sentenced to lengthy jail terms.

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      July 31, 2013, 2:31PM
    • Fabulous work Kate et al (you make an old journo's heart beat with hope for the future of investigative journalism in this country!) Full marks also to the courageous Comissioner Ipp and his staff as well. As a disillusioned former Labor voter (from a family who voted and supported the ALP for generations), I have been waiting for this day for years!!!Sadly, however, I have no faith that any of this crew will end up doing time. It's also a shame the ICAC inquiry into Wollongong Council wasn't this thorough, as the words "Sandon Point" might have become more known in the Sydney media (Kate McC knows exactly what I am writing about). Still, at least the community of the Hunter Valley who raised concerns about Mount Penny and the like can feel vindicated, even if the people of the Illawarra who saw similar corruption happening there for decades didn't get the ICAC result they deserved!

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      July 31, 2013, 2:21PM
      • Lets not wait any longer, let's just vote the ALP out of govt at the election. We will all feel vindicated then. No more waiting!

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        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:58PM
    • Can we reopen the AWB enquiry using Commissioner Ipp and some proper guidelines. No use signaling one lot out. Everyone's forgotten the Askin and Bjelke Petersen governments?

      Commenter
      dogsbody
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 2:17PM
      • Yep it's hard to remember 40-50 years ago when most Australians weren't even born. Best you look forward to the Thommo and Willo trials coming up, they should be shining examples of ALP goodness.

        Commenter
        enough is enough
        Location
        Labor aprty La La Land
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Congratulations to the SMH and Kate McClymont and other reporters.

      Commenter
      Be Fair
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 2:17PM
    • Tony Abbott's press conference is ridiculous. He's supposed to be commenting on the ICAC report. Anyone listening to Abbott would think that the ICAC report was into Kevin Rudd. Kevin Rudd is above any corruption. The Labor party is very fortunate it re-installed him. Abbott is looking totally incredible trying to link this with Rudd.

      Commenter
      Be Fair
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 2:14PM
      • This is our opportunity to exact justice. It should absolutely be tied to Kevin Rudd. It happened on his watch. The ALP must be kicked out. The entire lot of them!

        Commenter
        shiyoganai
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:42PM
      • Rudd was installed by NSW Labor - he holds office by virtue of NSW Labor. Trying to distance Rudd from NSW Labor won't wash.

        Commenter
        Tim of Altona
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 3:23PM
    • Fortunate the Labor party re-installed Kevin Rudd who has already started reforming the party. Notice how frantic Tony Abbott has been at his press conference to attempt to pin as much on Kevin Rudd as possible when there is nothing whatsoever in the ICAC report which justifies Abbott's attack on Rudd.

      Commenter
      Be Fair
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 2:09PM
      • unless you care to notice that it was the NSW right that reinstalled Rudd - his mates Albanese, Bowen and Burke. albanese was even the one who blessed Ian macdonalds reappointment over lunch a few years back!

        Commenter
        kevin 457
        Location
        the gong
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:36PM
      • I thought Rudd is the leader of the lab party..????

        Commenter
        sorry state
        Location
        nsw
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:37PM
    • Great photo of John Roberston, who seems to have a button on top of his head. Press the button and he will provide all the standard shocked and horrified responses.

      Commenter
      Jan
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 2:06PM
    • I wish I could have most of my brain removed, so that I would seriously believe that the liberal party is a viable alternative.

      Commenter
      shucks
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:54PM
    • Looks like the ALP has done its biggest 'selfie' yet.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:53PM
    • How is Kate McClymont entitled to any credit? She is merely reporting on the results of the efforts of others. Clearly seeking to claim credit as all one trick show pony journos do - but if there is any credit due here it is due to the ICAC.

      Commenter
      JohnLT
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:48PM
      • I was under the impression Lisa Davies was doing most of the legwork.....

        Commenter
        SmallTalk
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:11PM
    • Lets hope the DPP acts quickly to get this to the legal process.

      Commenter
      Neutral Voter
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:41PM
      • Indeed, and DPP should include all of the magnificent 7 (not some). We want all corrupted to be penalized not pollies only!!!!

        Commenter
        Peter Simkin
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:59PM
    • Long live Fairfax.
      If Fairfax dies so does our democracy.

      Commenter
      Ian B
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Almost none of this is reported in the Melbourne papers and where is Williamson and is he well

      Commenter
      Snorkelgronk
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:40PM
    • Kate McClymont ought to wear Eddie Obeid's scorn with pride.
      Chance of any of these jokers going to jail would be slim.
      Lawyers will argue for years about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and some judge or appellate court will find these series of astonishing coincidences just that.

      Commenter
      Olaf
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:34PM
    • Has Graham Richardson made a comment yet?

      Commenter
      Lebanna
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:27PM
    • No wonder so many want to become pollies -- nice perks, side dish. Plus OAM to boot.

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:23PM
    • Party time at Liberal HQ! Gloat while you can.

      Commenter
      Germ
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:22PM
      • They should not be too happy at Liberal headquarters. Ivan Petch, former Liberal MP and mayor of Ryde is the subject of a current ICAC investigation.

        Commenter
        Aneke
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:05PM
      • Fortunate the Labor party re-installed Kevin Rudd who has already started reforming the party - what has the PM done - nothing - the PM has only said he will do this -the matter would be voted on later in the year at the ALP conference - so your statement is incorrect

        Commenter
        Baltic13
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:31PM
      • Except on the scale of 'big fish', he's a guppy.

        Commenter
        Simon
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:46PM
    • So Kevin, after the pinks batts, grocery watch, fuel watch, GP super clinics failed miserably, are we to expect NSW labor watch as your next big idea?

      Commenter
      Horace Pinker
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:14PM
    • Another day at the office for the ALP.

      Commenter
      Klangdang
      Location
      Wells Crossing NSW
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:10PM
      • Robertson is disgusted about no more Skiing holidays. Terribly sad for him and the other ALP holiday makers.

        Commenter
        enough is enough
        Location
        Labor party La La Land
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:45PM
    • OAMs for Kate McClymont and Linton Besser are in order. Fearless and excellent reporting. Thank you!

      Commenter
      PATW
      Location
      In a mine shaft
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 1:07PM
      • TOTALLY AGREE

        Commenter
        Peter Simkin
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:01PM
      • Absolutely!! Long live mcclymont!!!!!! Lets set her on the libs!!!

        Commenter
        Kate
        Location
        Newcastle
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:47PM
    • Yes, Kevin is disgusted. Bad timing. Not on election-eve, eh Kev.

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:59PM
    • Rudd is disgusted; Plibasek is disgusted; Robertson is disgusted; Thomson is disgusted; Williamson is disgusted. See the pattern developing.

      Commenter
      enough is enough
      Location
      Labor party La La Land
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:55PM
      • Everyone says they are disgusted - move along - nothing to see here - it was happening under their watch - don't insult the voters with this rubbish

        Commenter
        Baltic13
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:41PM
      • Abbott is delighted!!

        Commenter
        Peter S
        Location
        Cassilis
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Watch the minsters who were quick to accept Obeid's hospitality now distance themselves from him That's mateship, Labor-style.

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:52PM
    • Ahh the Labor Party. Quality individuals !!

      Commenter
      RobMenzies
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:51PM
      • Look Eddie said he didn't do anything wrong; Ian said he didn't do anything wrong. It's a pattern of all ALP politicians that no matter what the damming evidence is - 'They haven't done anything wrong'

        Commenter
        enough is enough
        Location
        Labor party La La Land
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:18PM
    • I'm sure Kevin is disgusted about the pink batts too.

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:49PM
      • Rudd is the biggest Hypocrite of all.
        Are you not contesting the Leadership Election for your own personnel gain.
        I cannot see a difference!!
        " Under no circumstance will I ever make a Leadership challenge " ring a bell ??

        Commenter
        sorry state
        Location
        nsw
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:33PM
    • Labor in all its glory.

      Commenter
      Jojo
      Location
      Gladstone
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:48PM
    • Grimy mob. Congrats to reporter (Kate)for exposing this. A job well done. Australian Government has to develop systems whereby people like these are exposed before they build up their millions. I dare say theres quite a few stories involving other parties as well, that haven't been exposed. My ears tell me this.

      Commenter
      wheresmymoneyobeid
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:42PM
      • Kate McClymont has done a magnificent job on following this story. indeed uncovering this story . Very well done to her.

        Commenter
        tip
        Location
        top
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:54PM
      • Um.. Wasn't this what ICAC was for? lol

        Commenter
        Niall
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:56PM
    • Now, having seen this, just watch the Australian electorate vote the ALP back into power at this years election -
      just like NSW over the last decade!
      Hilarious and tragic.

      Commenter
      FastEddy
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:26PM
      • Unfortunately in such a divisive country, federal labour is not responsible for State Labour.
        We should start having
        1)an Integrated Australia
        2) Integrated political parties
        3) Mandatory Conscience vote (MP should not vote on Chief Whip dictatorial wishes)

        Commenter
        Peter Simkin
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:33PM
      • Federal Labor is responsible for Williamson and Thomson - get's more murky every time you look.

        Commenter
        enough is enough
        Location
        Labor party La La Land
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:57PM
    • Kevin can squeal as much as he likes but he can't run away from the absolute truth that he was the most senior person in the Labor party when all this took place. The fact that it was NSW Labor is irrelevant. It was the Labor party and he was the boss.

      Commenter
      Point of View
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:25PM
      • And won't it be fun to see the PM try and get out of this one - nothing to see here folks

        Commenter
        Baltic13
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:39PM
      • Kevin, Does not have anything to do with Sate Labour party. We need a truly National party not various independent state parties.

        Commenter
        Peter Simkin
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:48PM
      • And thanks to many of the NSW Labor contingent he is back in power, but oh no, now he is disgusted or so he says. How convenient.
        Labor is like a weeping boil that needs to be excised.

        Commenter
        AM
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:22PM
    • I have just heard Rudd say "''I've been disgusted by what I've seen before ICAC and anyone responsible for corrupt behaviour should face the full force of the law.''
      Everybody has known what has been going on in NSW Labor for the past 20 years, and Rudd has just found out. It's the same with NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson, he was shocked
      at what has come out. How do these two think they got where they are.

      Commenter
      thepres
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:24PM
    • These blokes, Eddie, Ian and Moses were part of the labour party, as they would not have even got a look in at the liberal party. These hacks, were clever enough to deceive the hacks that surrounded them, however they were not clever enough to deceive the rest of us. As they say, you can fool all of the people some of the time, and fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

      Commenter
      True Colours
      Location
      la la land
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:19PM
    • It will be fun watching the PM trying to distance himself from this outcome - don't think it will wash with the voters - the ALP brand is tarnished - just look at Michael Williamson and Craig Thomson still to come

      Commenter
      Baltic13
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:15PM
    • It is a good day for honest people!

      Commenter
      Cyril
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:14PM
    • This reflects badly on Rudd and the whole Labor Party.

      Commenter
      Pete1
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:13PM
    • Sadly while obeid and co were made to squirm in the spotlight of the enquiry, I really doubt that there would be evidence sufficient to convict them of anything but possibly perjury. Hopefully I am wrong and they get what they deserve!

      Commenter
      maxthestork
      Location
      Thornleigh
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:12PM
      • If convicted, it's about time we put some of our more unsavoury politcians behind bars - it would serve as a warning to the rest of them...

        Commenter
        mick_doe
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:40PM
      • nothing said at ICAC can be used as evidence for any conviction other than perjury. Hopefully there is enough other evidence for the DPP to proceed

        Commenter
        Tired Camel
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:49PM
      • Tired Camel - Why wait for the DPP? Let's exact our own justice by voting the ALP out of government. Kick them out!

        Commenter
        shiyoganai
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:57PM
    • Everyone ICAC has referred to the DPP must have their assets frozen and passports surrendered ASAP.

      Commenter
      Astounded
      Location
      Bowral
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:06PM
    • A child born today has a life expectancey of 83 years - I wonder if that is long enough to see labor back in power in NSW?

      Commenter
      Andrew R
      Location
      Wagga
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:01PM
    • Going on the length of time it is taking for ex Federal Labor MP Craig Thompson to have his day in Court one must expect lengthy delays before Obeid and MacDonald's cases will be finalised.

      Commenter
      noitall
      Location
      Beacon Hill
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:00PM
      • The Thompson affair is a very good window into the future of this saga. These clowns don't belive that normal rules and the law apply to them.

        Commenter
        Andrew R
        Location
        Wagga
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:17PM
      • AndrewR,
        So those normal rules would be "Innocent until proven guilty"? Trial by Media? or what?

        I'm prepared to condemn someone only after the courts have dealt with it, otherwise it's very hard to wipe the egg off your own face if you're wrong.

        Commenter
        Econorat
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:29PM
      • No econorat-no one is suggesting a lynch mob.We need the judicial system to stop dragging the chain -the ICAC inquiry has already taken three years!!!!!

        Commenter
        noitall
        Location
        Beacon Hill
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:56PM
    • These findings are all welcome, but ICAC has to take some of the blame for this mess. If their role is to prevent corrupt conduct what were they doing over the past 10 years? Sitting on their hands?

      Commenter
      Barney Gumble
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 12:00PM
      • Well blame the LNP, they are the ones who set up ICAC in the first place,

        That is if you think it is really possible to "prevent" corruption. Like any law enforcement agency it's existence doesn't stop people breaking the law, the only deterrent is the possibility of being caught.

        Commenter
        george
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:44PM
    • It would appear as though the Obeids, Macdonald, et al would not know the truth if they fell over it.. let's hope they cop the same treatment they have given to the people of NSW

      Commenter
      Justice Chaser
      Location
      Long Bay
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:47AM
    • Good, a very good start.It's well past time that characters such as these were brought to account. Let's hope the relevant authorities now pull out all the stops and pursue them as vigorously as possible.

      Commenter
      countryman
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:41AM
    • Eddie and Co. will have an army of Lawyers and Barristers for the pending prosecutions but that's ok - I'm a patient man!

      Commenter
      Tank Engine
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:37AM
      • Hopefully all their assets are immediately frozen and they can't afford their lawyers.

        Commenter
        Moutarde
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 1:47PM
    • I can only hope that the NSW legal system persues them them with the same vigour it displayed it hounded me over a parking fine (that was incorrectly given to me in the first place).

      Commenter
      Rocco
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:33AM
    • Where is Graham Richardson?

      Commenter
      Old Mary
      Location
      Westies
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:31AM
    • Confiscate and appropriate ALL their assets; otherwise there's no Credibility and will only encourage such (corrupt) behaviour in the future. If there is no such asset appropriation than I myself will understand that in Australia It Is Right and encouraged to be Corrupt and Lie and I will adopt a similar behaviour to the maximum level. Now it's the time to set an example or await much more similar behaviour.

      Commenter
      Daniel
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:28AM
      • Proceeds of crime are (usually for mere mortals) automatically confiscated. These jokers will be flat out getting a thousand dollar fine.

        Commenter
        greg
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:14PM
    • What the DPP now needs to do is press criminal charges against them.

      Commenter
      In Amber Clad
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:28AM
      • I agree, however after the Lies, Lies and more Lies, Money, Money and much more Money will continue to protect these spivs against prosecution!

        Commenter
        GI
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:05PM
    • Get all their profits, get all their superannuation, and put it back into the NSW government coffers to fund better childcare and child protection. That's where it should have gone in the first place... and they wont need much cash where they're going.

      Commenter
      tooban
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:10AM
      • Yes, I agree, but you watch them hire the most expensive legal team in history and get off.
        Justice can be bought in Australia, unfortunately.

        Commenter
        selector 2
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:25AM
      • Totally agree, then throw away the keys.
        Thanks for coming Labor.

        Commenter
        Alan
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:49AM
    • With some luck, these people will be made into an object lesson, worthy of a place in the history books for all time.

      I am surprised about Roozendaal's ruling though.

      Commenter
      Myself
      Location
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:09AM
    • Finally the truth, now these guys need to sleep in the bed they made. As they say in the classics, he who laughs last laughs loudest, and I don't hear Eddie, Ian or Moses laughing. LOL. ALl the best BOYS.

      Commenter
      True colours
      Location
      Big Dog
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 11:03AM
      • True Colours,
        The problem is that the ICAC findings don't hold the same weight as a court. ICAC can make findings on the 'balance of probabilities'; however a criminal court needs a higher 'beyond reasonable doubt' finding.
        Unfortunately it may not reach that level when it goes to court.
        I am neither defending nor accusing the system but that's just the way it is.
        Don't be surprised if it fails in the courts because they didn't come up with any 'smoking gun'.

        Commenter
        Econorat
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:26AM
      • Econorat,
        What you say is all well known, if that was to happen then the Labour movement has an even bigger problem on its hands. AND that my friend is the very reason why these blokes will get the book thrown at them. No holds barred.

        Commenter
        True Colours
        Location
        La La Land
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:09PM
      • It's not just the Labor movement alone.
        You may not remember some blokes called Beljke Peterson or Robert Askin in the past. Let's not forget about Skase, Bond, etc too.

        Commenter
        Econorat
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:31PM
      • Econorat that may be true - but I doubt we'll see an Labor pollies go to jail anytime soon like Bond, but we can all hold out hope they leave the country and go live in Majorca like Skase.

        Commenter
        Tired Camel
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:53PM
    • So it has taken ICAC 12mths and how ever many millions of dollars to uncover what everyone in NSW already knew. Well done !!

      Commenter
      Mark M
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 10:57AM
      • ICAC has uncovered the facts in a form which will be the basis for prosecution and possibly asset confiscation. That is fay beyond rumours which everyone knew.

        Commenter
        Aneke
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:30AM
      • Was thinking exactly the same thing, it isn't rocket science.

        Commenter
        Jaz
        Location
        Narara
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:45AM
      • And most of it while Bob Carr was premier as well. I wonder what he has to say.
        Instead, he is rewarded with a federal position by Gillard and maintained by Rudd.

        Commenter
        AM
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 2:07PM
    • Justice delayed is justice denied. Let's hope that any findings of corruption are acted on with all due speed.

      Commenter
      jmfloki
      Location
      sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 10:55AM
    • I really hope that the long suffering Tax payer gets justice here...however I'm not holding my breath!

      Commenter
      tip
      Location
      top
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 10:48AM
      • Exactly. Get ready for years of appeals, watered down charges, plea bargains,and maybe just maybe a firm slap on the wrist. And forfieture of assetts? Dreaming!! The snouts may be out of the trough, but they got a gutful to last them a lifetime!

        Commenter
        blackheart1916
        Location
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 11:40AM
      • You know the saying " you are never guilty until you run out of money"

        Commenter
        Alan
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:18PM
      • blackheart,
        You don't appear to know the difference between a ICAC finding and a criminal court finding.
        There is a huge difference in the admissibility of evidence and the onus of proof and the 'probability of guilt' versus 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

        Commenter
        Econorat
        Location
        sydney
        Date and time
        July 31, 2013, 12:38PM
    • Eddie Obeid did not get to where he is by playing nice. I'd say he has a fair bit of dirt on some people pretty high up the government food chain. & if he goes down, well, do the math..
      Charges against him may be recommended (hopefully) but I have a hunch the legal process may be stalled, delayed & appealed etc at every turn further down the track, & the case eventually thrown out because it is costing the taxpayers too much & he'll walk away the golden boy.
      Ian MacDonald however will be hung out to dry...
      Like I said, just a hunch..

      Commenter
      Vince
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      July 31, 2013, 10:45AM
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