Joe Camilleri grilled by ICAC
The daughter of former Railcorp exec Joe Camilleri is accused of corruptly soliciting more than $1 million in loans.PT0M0S 620 349
The daughter of a senior RailCorp executive accused of corruptly soliciting more than $1 million in loans from work colleagues and contractors told her father she would pay someone to ‘‘put a bullet in your head’’ when he failed to follow her instructions over a loan, a corruption hearing heard Wednesday.
The hearing also heard taped phone conversations in which Joe Camilleri, RailCorp’s former head of train maintenance, and his daughter Jessica discussed burning evidence sought by investigators from the Independent Commission Against Corruption.
Dad, they will come back, don't be stupid. Take any papers, burn, burn, burn, that's all you've got to do.
The ICAC has for the past fortnight been holding hearings into the conduct of Mr Camilleri, a RailCorp employee once in charge of billions of dollars in train maintenance contracts.
Former Railcorp employee Joseph Camilleri leaving ICAC. Photo: Ben Rushton
Appearing before the Commission for the first time on Wednesday, Mr Camilleri said he passed on about $4 million to his daughter Jessica from 2008 to 2013, after she told him she was the repeat victim of identity fraud.
He was repeatedly challenged about whether he believed the stories, which became more fanciful as the amounts she required increased.
"I never understood it to be a sham at all," Mr Camilleri said.
"I was just trying to get back the money so I could pay people back. I got into a spiral I couldn't get out of."
Counsel assisting the commission, Nicholas Polin replied: "It would seem on this story there are only two options. One is you are incredibly stupid, or you are not telling us the truth."
Mr Camilleri said: "I'm telling you the truth."
On Wednesday, Mr Polin played Mr Camilleri recordings of phone conversations he had with his daughter the day in July and August 2013.
In the July recording, Mr Camilleri and his daughter argued about a loan obtained from a man named Jeff.
Mr Camilleri said: ‘‘Jess, you are the one they are going to arrest as much as me, mate, we are both going down the gurgler.’’
She replied: ‘‘I won’t be in the country. You think they are going to find me, good luck, they can’t touch me if I’m in Lebanon, they have no rights to touch me from Lebanon.’’
He said later: ‘‘And that’s what you are doing ... stealing this money to f---ing keep you, so you live like a queen over there – is that what you are doing?’’
She said: ‘‘Yeah, we’ll see, we’ll see what I’m doing, we’ll see – just wait and see, I’m paying for someone to put a bullet in your head, that’s what I’m doing.’’
Mr Camilleri went on to tell his daughter that he did not want to lie any more, and that enough was enough.
She said: ‘‘And you wait, everyone in your house, bullets all through all of you, just f---ing wait and see.’’
He replied: ‘‘Oh yeah, so you are going to hurt your mother too, are you?’’
The August recordings were taken the day after ICAC raided his house.
Ms Camilleri said: "Dad, they will come back, don’t be stupid. Take any papers, burn, burn, burn, that’s all you’ve got to do ... Do it now."
She also said: "Anything else that's in my room, get rid of them ... Just f---ing take all the papers, burn them up, is that hard to do. Do you want me to f---ing spell it out?"
But Mr Camilleri, who was sacked by RailCorp in February 2013 for failing to disclose that he had borrowed from contractors, said even then he continued to believe his daughter. He said he did not burn any evidence.
He said he only started to doubt his daughter's stories when he was later told she had a gambling problem.
Mr Camilleri's evidence will continue before commissioner Megan Latham on Wednesday.
Jessica Camilleri is due before the ICAC on Friday.