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Wonder what excuses the Aussie fans will serve when they lose the ashes! No warne/ McGrath, it's the bcci fault, doctored pitch...can't beat sa, India or England
Sad to say,the future has arrived for Australian cricket.Yeah we had all those fantastic players Waugh boys,Langer Hayden,Gilchrist,McGrath,Warne the list is endless.So endless in fact that CA took their eyes off the ball and failed in the development area,now we have good bowling stocks but can't bat for sh&t!.I realise that the wheel turns but England have beaten us at our own game.Bring back AB,he might be 60+ but he knows more about cricket than anyone in this country including Inverarity,Sutherland and Ian Chappell + CH9 commentary team,Mickey Arthur & Steve Rixon
Lyon is our most consistent spinner in yonks. Who can replace him? If the regular guy is getting carted then surely spinners no. 2,3,4 etc won't fare any better. Lyon has always been good for a few wickets here and there, sharing the load with the quicks. He's not a Warne/Magill matchturner. We just don't have one at the moment.India the better team here...well played.
Lyon is our most consistent spinner in yonks. Who can replace him? If the regular guy is getting carted then surely spinners no. 2,3,4 etc won't fare any better. Lyon has always been good for a few wickets here and there, sharing the load with the quicks. He's not a Warne/Magill matchturner. We just don't have one at the moment.
India the better team here...well played.
aussies have not done that badly...take dhoni's innings out of the game...and u have a game on your hand...
All those calling for pitch review should rethink as a lot of nations will ask us to dig up the Perth track and make it "friendlier"... Simple fact, this Aussie team just isn't good enough to tackle spin on slower tracks.. The Indian attack isn't even best, imagine if it was Ajmal or Mendis, we would have struggled to go past 200.... Take it as a good preparation for Ashes later in the year
All the comments on blaming the pitch is very surprising. Aus have a few promising young fast bowlers, a poor spinner and only one world class batsman so its not surprising they will get spanked in India and the ashes. They could not even finish off a underprepared SA side. Rebuilding the great side will take time.
Keep trying Australia.Your a brave lot . Another 9 tests to go. 4 against India ..then 5 against England....you will lose the lot cause your only average at best , except Clarke.Lyon is rubbish and the batting line up play a "district" cricket standard. To make things worse the anti social behaviour of certain Indian players have made the whole contest a joke.
Agree with worjus If India was presented with a green top in Australia or anywhere else in the world they would be screaming yet they can produce a wicket that would not be acceptable in the lowest standard of cricket in Australia and all is fine. A joke nothing more than cheating.
Nice to see you Aussies in a bit of mess ahead of a pretty big year....
How many LBW given against Australia now? is it zero for India??
My conclusion is that if cricket is to be enjoyed as a sport and in it's true form as a competitive gentleman's game,the ICC has to declare standards for cricket pitches and certify which could be approved for internaational competitions including test matches. Umpires must also be test medically and for physical fitness as well as good eyesight. DRS should be compulsory and if any team does not agree the matches should be deemed as not official and not taken into account for any kind of stastics. The basis of any sports is sportsmanship and public enjoyment. If those are not be found then the the gentleman's game of cricket should not tolerate it.
Looks like India only need 3 bowlers...Can someone teach the Indians to grow grass?
Looks like India only need 3 bowlers...
Can someone teach the Indians to grow grass?
lets not mess with indian cricket board...nobody will have no monies to play cricket
How can you suggest cricket is a gentlemen's game? I just wonder what planet you have been living on? Test cricket is a much more interesting form than the short nonsense, but the game hasn't been played by gentlemen for ten thousand years. It has been played by ruthless mercinaries such as Douglas Jardine, complete cheats such as Hansie Cronje and Salmon Butt, utter yobbos such as Ian Botham and Shane Warne, agent provocateurs such as Harbharjan Singh and Colin Croft just to name a few. Even the saintly and protected Donald Bradman was dubious in his business practice and hardly qualified as a gentlemen.
Agree with you on DRS, no country should be allowed to opt out.Don't agree about the pitches though, Henriques and to a lesser extent Dhoni showed that it looks much worse than it really is with only the occasional ball mis-behaving. And is it really any different from Aus preparing a seamer friendly grass-top? This is what test cricket is all about, if we had two decent spinners this game would have a different outcome.
It's just one test match here no need to panic or make lame excuses. Aussies just got spanked by a better team at the the time. That is all.
Grats to Moises Henriques got a unlikely chance and has grabbed it with both hands, at least something good has come out of this test... It's a pity the guy's have'nt put up much more of a fight but a few serious underlying problems as we can all see. I don't think having some many quicks was the problem, but obviously Lyon isn't up to doing it solo in India - the problem is Doherty is very far from an answer as a 2nd spinner...
And I thought the Argus report was supposed to stop these kind of results??We will get done 4-0 in India and if we get away with anything less than a 5-0, 0-5 Ashes result, that will be a triumph!!Time for everyone involved at the top in CA, from the Chairman down to the NSP & High Performance Director to be sacked. Bring in people that understand the game (ex Test Cricketers) and take Australian Cricket back where it belongs!!On the world stage, we are bloody embarrassing!!!
And I thought the Argus report was supposed to stop these kind of results??
We will get done 4-0 in India and if we get away with anything less than a 5-0, 0-5 Ashes result, that will be a triumph!!
Time for everyone involved at the top in CA, from the Chairman down to the NSP & High Performance Director to be sacked. Bring in people that understand the game (ex Test Cricketers) and take Australian Cricket back where it belongs!!
On the world stage, we are bloody embarrassing!!!
What a copious amount of whining in comments below/above. And you all suspected the English had no peer (in that department)? Whereas when they were zip-1 down two months ago there, they just got/went on with it ...
Mate, the Aussies have long outdone us English in the whining department. Where have you been hiding?
Rob 9.24pm and the Commentator 9.33pm, England lost their first Test with one spinner. Then Swann and Panesar did the business for the following Tests. The fact is, that Panesar is a bit of an old carthorse but he is Black Caviar compared to any of the tweakers we could play in a Test. There is a world of difference there.
i think u aussies are too critical of lyon...it was just that dhoni was lucky and played a blinder...
Lets hope we show some dignity in defeat. Despite our perception of ourselves as the 'fair go' nation we are awful losers. There is some things to be positive about. We were just beaten by a much, much better team.
Yes, a much better team, in India. This is almost the same team that was so woeful out here. Most of our team have never played in conditions like that, big learning curve methinks. I have always said that India should prepare a pitch to help their pace bowlers,even for training purposes. Why can we not have one clay court pitch here for our bowlers to train on.
One of my regrets as an ordinary park cricketer is that I never was able to play on a decent cricket wicket.Most of my matches were on a piece of concrete or even sand in the local park, if we were lucky. I always dreamed of playing test cricket on a test match wicket.All of my 'test' cricket was played on a shitty piece of clay or bitumen.In Chennai, Moises Henriques and I still have that in common.
What is this - a hundred and one ways of saying the same thing? At least Lothar you have given it a little thought! Beaten by a better team. What is so hard in saying that?
That isn't a cricket pitch; it's an outside court for the French tennis Open!!
Rite...need to find a sour excuse for the pathetic performance and something needs to be blamed. I can totally understand the aussie mob's feelings!
"Cus our boys couldn't have been beaten fair and square!"
if u think at chennai pitch look like'rench tennis Open!' feels WACA as rubber tack, it can use for gymnastic
The biggest surprise is anyone is surprised by this!
Yes, we were beaten fair and square. Just wondering though if Rafael Nadal would want to become an Aussie citizen? He is an expert on clay.
Everyone I know, who knows even a tiny amount about cricket, thought it was absolutely absurd to only play one spinner in this test. And not only that, but a spinner who's never done ANYTHING remarkable in his whole career. And people are surprised by the result?!?
Rob, who would you put in? Maxwell, the most over-rated player on the planet? Doherty? Are you serious? Hughes got out to a brilliant ball and even Border said so on the commentary. He also said that when there are balls like that you have to hope you survive them. He didn't and most of the rest wouldn't have either.
Harbhajan has been studying the videos of Lyon's batting, and he has plans for him. Gripping contest.
Don't forget England were comprehensively beaten in the first test v India recently, and went on to beat them comfortably so all is not lost!
They have 3/4 world class players. And had two spinners playing at the top of their game. We have one world class player and one spinner doing his best.
But England have two world class spinners, we just have Inverarity, Arthur & Howard picking the 'fittest team'..........
England beat England in India recently because in Swann and Panesar they have better spinners than India. Luckily for them Dhoni insisted on spin friendly pitches, something he will almost certainly do again in this tour.Right now Aus don't have one quality spinner nevermind two.
Clearly Lyon wad confused about his role in this match - did someone infom him to bowl spin on a spinners paradise? Pretty amateurish stuff!
He did OK - the seamers aren't the smartest though are they? I feel for the captain. A bunch of ordinary players with ordinary selectors and fans still intoxicated by past glories.
no one listens, Gone Baby Gone..ages ago wake up !! did I see someone said it was a dodgy pitch?Excuse me , both teams had to bat on the same pitch, Australia got first use, Clark misread the conditions completely and how the heck are they going to beat India with one inept spinner and three batsman who should not even be in the side.I repeat 3 zip !!
no one listens, Gone Baby Gone..ages ago wake up !! did I see someone said it was a dodgy pitch?
Excuse me , both teams had to bat on the same pitch, Australia got first use, Clark misread the conditions completely and how the heck are they going to beat India with one inept spinner and three batsman who should not even be in the side.
I repeat 3 zip !!
Clarke misread the conditions???? How so? He elected to bat first a pitch where the last thing you'd want to do is bat last.
I think most international cricket teams will learn to travel better if the pitch curators are encouraged to produce a variety of pitches for the domestic first-class competition. This is especially since pre-Test tour matches have dwindled to almost nothing (although England tend to insist on more than other countries). The diversity of pitches used to be one of Australia's strength. Nowadays although the Adelaide is still flat, the SCG pitch is never as dusty as it was in the 80's and earlier. Since Warne's retirement, the pitches generally have become more green and hardened up. India themselves would benefit in the long run from bringing in some soil that makes the pitches more lively and helpful to the quicks for their Ranji Trophy games (they have the money, don't they?).
Very good point. The days of Peter Le Roy's SCG dustbowl are long gone. A lot of people didnt mind having one test dominated by spinners a year. Both Alan Border and Michael Bevan did well there as well as a number of more specialist spinners. I
Normally India does well in India. They were comprehensively beaten in Australia. But didnt they loose to England in India? sinha melbourne
All the sour grape comments are out from the aussie mob. Amazing how people complain about spin friendly pitches in India while you guys make pitches suitable for fast bowling.India batted on the same pitch while australia played first innings on a fresh pitch.Sour loosers!
With 13 tests Cowan has an average of 32.81 which is lower than Ashwin's 14 tests at 45.85. One is a specialised opening batsman and the other, as some call it, just a bowler. How long should we persist with Cowan?
Well there are 7 in the shed. Cowan is at present the top scorer there. He might get beaten by Henriques or Pattinson but he is the leader of the specialist batsmen. He has the ability to play big innings, gets a start and doesn't go on with it. More a question of his frame of mind than his technique or ability. As that could probably be fixed by some quality time with the batting coach. Which reminds me, Justin Langer was the subject of the same criticism. And his achievements speak for themself.
Not any longer mate, it really is time to take Cowan out, i could understand if he was 21 or 22 in which case you could persist with him but he had more then his fair share of chances, time for Cowan to go. Watson, Warner, Hughes, Clarke, Khawaja, Henriques, Wade should be our lineup for the second test.
We shouldnt persist with Cowan anymore, Watson should open, Khawaja should be at 4 and Ed can write a book.
I bought ticket to watch the Day 5 game at Chennai. Total cost including flight Dubai-Chennai-Dubai + other expenses - AED 3,000. Michael Clarke to foot the bill...
You don't think day 5 to an overseas test was always a smokey one?
Why anyone would buy tickets in advance to a fifth day, anytime, anywhere, let alone fly there from outside the country the game is being played is beyond me.
I know alot of you out there hate Hughes, but the ball that got him out would have done for most people. Turning massively off a length and bouncing up past his shoulder. The rest of the top order hasn't been much better in the second dig. Wade threw his wicket away playing a t20 shot - he is not a number 6. Overall Australia went into the test short one spinner and short one batsman. That and overall lack of talent in the Aussie ranks is why the Aussies are getting caned. The Indians are just better.
Yes - the Indians are just better. It was similarly simple the last time they played in Australia...
I don't hate Hughes I hate the selectors for even considering picking him ,if he gets another test I suggest an enquiry into "selection rigging" be commenced.
I feel for Michael Clark. Surely one of Australia's great batsmen since Donald Bradman deserve a better win/loss record, surely.
I recall Jason Krezja taking 12/360 in a Test in India. Still going around, taking wickets and making runs, Sure he got hit but he took the wickets. More variety than Lyon and is not one to take a backward step.
I love how the comments saying 'oh its the unfair pitch' which comes up the moment Australia starts to lose in India. By the way, India batted on the same pitch and the Aussies got to bat first and had the chance to make India bat last on this pitch. It's so funny how the lack of skill in playing spin and lack of penetrating spin bowling is given a nice makeover so that noone has to look at the truth. Come on guys. Stop being sore losers ;)
these Australians are posturing twerps. selection abysmal and pompous, no serious fight as shown by juvenile performance by cowan in the first innings. the infrastructure must have known that the pitch would be spin friendly but the application of this Australian terminal dumbness is embarrassing but not unexpected.
Ozzies have the habit of playing mental games by commenting on the opposition, one such being "Surprised Gambhir is dropped" instead of looking at their own decision to pick just one spinner !!. Whoever the think-tank is definitely deserves the title "not-so-thinking tank"...Australia decimated at Chennai... Hope Hyderabad does the same...Final straw (comment) on Australian camel's back "It was disappointing Bhuvaneshar Kumar did not score a century"...
Australia don't have quality spinner after warne. Aus fan just remember that how paneser & swan bowl in india. It is not about pitch, it is about Aus spinners. I think Dhorthy is better than Lyon.
Didn't Shane Warne average over 50 with the ball in India? I don't think we won anything in India thanks to Mr Warne.
Its not time to panic. Cowan looks like a proper opener to me. I'd persevere with him longer. Watson and Cowan has a good solid look about it. But perhaps its time to consider Kwhaja or Shaun Marsh at No 3 in place of Hughes. And I agree move Clarke to number 4 in the batting order and move Warner lower down.
Yes time to get Khawaja in at 3.
Looks like the pitch was provided by the Indian team sponsors. SAHARA. Even I could get wickets on that bowling spin and I'm 43, overweight and need bifocal glasses. The spirit of fairness never comes into it on the sub continent since they "own" the game.
So how do you explain Lyon's 3 for 215 then? On second thoughts don't try and explain it.
Aus don't have good spinners. U just think that how monty & swan bowl here.blame your spinners not pitch
I've really got nothing to say to that comment.
Warnie's average in India is around 50 runs per wicket. Are you saying you are a better bowler than Warnie?
My squad for AUS to play in indWarnerwatsonforrrestclarkehaddinusmanhenriquesdhortheylyonpattinsonstarc
Why do people keep calling for Warney?, from memory he got punished on all his tours of India
Get rid of Lyon and Hughes , who had lives in every innings against SriLanka and according to Inverarity they're not 1st class test bowlers, can't bat full stop. Lyon is not a test bowler. We knew before we went to India that spinners were needed and it is the selectors fault that we only had 1 but not their fault that he's no good, lets face it Aust are a very ordinary side and will get flogged by England .
Come back Warne...all is forgiven!
Aus selectors keep on picking Hughes who always fails.Einstein's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
May I politely suggest that the Australian Pace bowlers be sent to the Murali boot camp in Melbourne and learn to bowl some spin. It is only way you are going to make the series competitive. Your spin bowling stocks are crap.
Time to stop carrying Watson. Batting is woeful and too injury prone to bowl.
At least you can't blame the selectors for this. How were they to know that India would produce a spinner's pitch?
A nice piece of irony Ian.
Hughes has had multiple chances and multiple failures. Simon Katich anyone?
Clarke loves him, he is not going anywhere, saying that though the first person out should be Cowan not Hughes
Our 2 worst players of spin are Cowan and Hughes, Hughes is a gun batsman so i have no issues with him but how many more chances do you give Ed. This is where having Wade at 6 will backfire, we need 6 specialist batsman, next guy in is Wade and that for me is not good enough when we know batting is our weakness.Khawaja is our next reserve batsman and should be bought in for the second test.
Well, no way this same team can play in the 2nd test....it seems a waste of time for our fast bowlers to even play....given the dust bowl that the Indians served up....they probably even think they were clever...It would be good if they tried to prepare a pitch with at least a bit of GRASS on it...
Well, no way this same team can play in the 2nd test....it seems a waste of time for our fast bowlers to even play....given the dust bowl that the Indians served up....they probably even think they were clever...
It would be good if they tried to prepare a pitch with at least a bit of GRASS on it...
I wont bag Hughes, clearly he got soft runs against Sri Lanka and this will test him but i would take Cowan out for the next test, he can’t keep getting starts and get out. Hughes never got his eye in so you can’t blame him. Cowan got another start and got out again, time to have Watson, Warner, Hughes, Clarke, Khawaja, Henriques. Watson should open, Clarke our best batsman should be at 4 and time to give a go to Khawaja, how many more chances will Cowan get.
So its not Hughes fault he doesn't make runs "he just doesn't get his eye in" . Who"s fault is it?
Interesting, there were several very good LB shouts during the Indian innings - every single one was turned down. Not one Indian batsman was given out LB, yet 4 Australians were given in their 1st innings. This reminds me of the old days touring the subcontinent, where Pakistani and Indian batsmen were never given out LB, for example Javed Miandad, who was never dismissed Leg-before in Pakistan in his entire career.
C'mon we have got to be bigger than saying we are losing because other nations cheat. Apart from the obvious racist overtones - our sporting codes are currently embroiled in allegations of all sorts of cheating. I thought we had grown our of all this nonsense. Let's just show a bit of respect.
Why don't the Aussies demand a fair pitch for Test 2 or just pack up and go to England early...??Two spinners taking the new ball is a joke...
Why don't the Aussies demand a fair pitch for Test 2 or just pack up and go to England early...??
Two spinners taking the new ball is a joke...
Paul - who has the right to judge what is a fair pitch and what is not? Do you really believe you have the right to say that a turning Chepauk (i.e. Chennai) pitch is less fair than a trampoline-like WACA pitch? Condemning a subcontinental for assisting spin far more than pace is as unfair as condemning an Australian wicket for the opposite reason!
Its still cricket though. Day 4, the pitch is rough as guts, the ball will get worn. Its how they Indians play. Would you complain if they employed the same tactics at the WACA and were smashed all over?
well aussies prepare green pitch in Aust they dont give India any home advantage so they have to learn play spin better
why are people complaining about the pitch. ITS INDIA!!! What do you expaect.....Perth!! You need to plan around spin for India and not play 4 seamers. If you havnt got them then tough luck.
Funny boys I don't see theses types of pitches being produced for the IPL.The "its India" is an outdated arguement.Plainly and simply the advantage India has is its spin attack as such the pitch has been doctored for that advantage.In a five test series here you don't get 5 WACA's but I bet we get 4 MA Chidambaram Stadiums.
We are not children. You cant threaten to take your ball back. The Indians prepare wickets for their strengths, the English to theirs, the West Indies to theirs..... Why do we embarrass ourselves so readily?
Andy ..The saying is take your bat and ball and go home.All countries lean and I mean lean to their strengths when prepariing test pitches.The BCCI has enough money and resources to prepare quality pitches that are sustainable and equitable over a five day test.Knowing a result before a match even starts makes for poor viewing.Unless of course your an Indian bookmaker.
Social capital - thanks. I will try to get my saying right in the future. Your point smacks of a poor observer. The English just finished beating the Indians in India. It is how you play the conditions. We just haven't been smart.
Hauritz was blamed for 2010 series loss in India and was then dropped for the 2010 Ashes which the Aussie famously lost. Hauritz has never played Test cricket again. Will Clarke dish out the same treatment to Lyon if Aussies don't win this series? Maybe Clarke should also bowl and suffer the same fate Hauritz did.
Makes you wonder if Ashwin will get any more 'doubles' this match. He's had Watson twice.Cowan, Warner, Hughes, Wade, Henriques and Lyon must be really looking forward to their turn at the crease - If, of course, Lyon even gets a chance to bat. Game could be over before then!!
Makes you wonder if Ashwin will get any more 'doubles' this match. He's had Watson twice.
Cowan, Warner, Hughes, Wade, Henriques and Lyon must be really looking forward to their turn at the crease - If, of course, Lyon even gets a chance to bat. Game could be over before then!!
Wot,the Aussies are gonna declare and Lyon won't bat? How long you been watching crivket for?
We have only played one decent team this summer and caught them a little undercooked. Cant imagine playing SA now. We are an ordinary team with one world class player. I think you could be right Monty.
Gotta take your hat of to Dhoni that was a quality innings, Australia playing for the draw, very rare for a Clarke led side to be i this scenario I think how they respond will be critical not only for the rest of this series but the ashes to.
I wouldn't be too discouraged as a Aus fan. Only Ashwin bowled well in the first innings and even he deteriorated throughout the innnings. Harbhajan and Jadeja were handled well and the quicks were impotent. Given the spinners opened the bowling in the second innings suggests that the 2 quicks have already been ruled out by Dhoni, meaning Indians are down 2 bowlers. With application and patience, Aussies should wipe off deficit and secure draw.
Feeling discouraged now hog??? Watson gone just b4 lunch!!! Oh well...... Lets hope the Pommie spinners bowl like Lyon and we miht have half a chance!!
Australia are much better fighters now than they have been in a couple of years. It could be a real turning point if they are able to dig in here. Go Australia.
batting is killing us.Look at the overs india faced and then look at the score.Something tells me this going to be 3 zip
I disagree, it's the dodgy pitch and us not knowing that the pitch was dodgy....We should be shipping in 3 more spinners if the Indians want to play like this...
I disagree, it's the dodgy pitch and us not knowing that the pitch was dodgy....
We should be shipping in 3 more spinners if the Indians want to play like this...
still feel if watson or clarke gets in, aussies has a very good chance for a draw
hope watson makes a hundred.. he's a great fighter and a very good player of spin bowling.. stint with Rajasthan royals for IPL gave him enough experience on how to play spin in indian conditions..
India do have far superior spinners to Australia. No doubt. Too bad they have to doctor wickets so its spinning sideways in the morning of day 1. Thats why they get flogged in the rest of the world.
so are aussies they r flogged by spin not pace
So Mr Clarke has tinkered with the batting order. I still think he should have tinkered a bit more and put himself in at No.4.
I agree. It makes little sense that he plays so far down the order when he is one of our better players of spin.
Monty, I understand Warner has a case of, what shall we call it, Tamil tummy.
No Indian was out LBW! I think they did pretty well in hitting the stumps 7 times.
Yeah, get used to touring India no reviews either wonder why?
Australia is spoilt for choice when it comes to mediocre bowlers
Lyon 47 overs ave per wicket 70 runs 1 maiden on a spinners wicket. Its not that India are betterat playing spin it is the case that we haven't got a spinner that is test standard.
If memory serves me correctly, Cowan dropped Kumar with the total at about 410. And it wasn't that hard a catch, Cowan made it look difficult by falling over after he dropped it.So if Cowan's still batting at this time tomorrow he should be about square.
If memory serves me correctly, Cowan dropped Kumar with the total at about 410. And it wasn't that hard a catch, Cowan made it look difficult by falling over after he dropped it.
So if Cowan's still batting at this time tomorrow he should be about square.
Yes you are absolutely correct, that dropped catch cost us the match.
India will start with spinners and end it pretty quickly. The trouble is we haven't got any spinners capable of doing to India what their going to do to us.
I said yesterday that Australia will be stuck in the field for the whole day. As usual you Aussies couldn't accept by unbiased commentary. There were even responses saying India's batting is like watching paint dry (run rate 3.7). It seems your team is running out of excuses and you will lose by 6 or 7 wickets at best but probably lose by an innings.
Sorry. mate, we'll try and do better. Sport is ruined when some people support one team more than another. ;)
Good to see that another no-life has decided to impersonate me, I haven't posted on this message board since the Sri Lanka test series.
@SandeepWill the real Sandeep please stand up?Original birth certificates signed by Sandeeps mum or Monty accepted.
The Aussie openers must be champing at the bit to get out there and knock the Indian pacemen around, just like Dhoni did to the Aussie quicks. It's a pity that there are four Indian spinners to sort out, too...
Look at Dhoni's strike rate (85). That shows a complete lack of respect for the Australian bowlers. Better call up Warne
Australia's only chance is rain
Unfortunately Baz Chennai has a monsoon climate. It will probably rain in about September.
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