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Live: Day two, 5th Ashes Test, Sydney

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Chris Rogers moving the Australian side further ahead with an impressive 73 at the end of days play. Click for more photos

Fifth Test, Sydney - Day Two

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Chris Rogers acknowledges his half century.

Chris Rogers acknowledges his half century. Photo: Brendan Esposito

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  • Ch9 hasn't been working in this neck of the woods for the last few days, and I'm not sure that that is such a bad thing. ABC News used some Ch9 footage last night, and I couldn't believe how over-the-top and childish the commentary was. Are these guys on drugs, or are they naturally like that?

    It reminds one of Brad Fittler at NRL games, where one wonders if he might have spent a tad too long in the hospitality tent beforehand. (Come to think of it, in Freddie's case, one doesn't wonder at all).

    Commenter
    Lewis Winders
    Location
    Tasmania
    Date and time
    January 04, 2014, 6:27PM
    • A few guys have failed here despite the coming whitewash; even our best player the mighty Pup. Time to give Phil Hughes a go.

      Commenter
      Benny More
      Location
      Wagga Wagga
      Date and time
      January 04, 2014, 5:49PM
      • The coming whitewash - you mean the one coming up in SA, don't you mate ?

        Commenter
        Ray
        Location
        Auckland
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 6:35PM
    • Hi Rohan,
      What is your opinion on the constant speculation over the future of Rogers, Haddin and Watson. They are three of the highest run-getters for this series yet there is media speculation suggesting they will not hold their places. Is this speculation being driven by the media or by the agents of fringe test players or even by State based selectors ? The most inconsistent players for me is Warner yet his close friendship with Clarke seems to guarantee his selection.

      Commenter
      Jack
      Date and time
      January 04, 2014, 5:49PM
      • Jack, Haddin has already said he wants to play on, and who'd try to stop him given his form? Rogers is doing it yet again and is the perfect complement to Warner at the top of the order, and Watson is always going to polarise views, it seems, but when he's on, he more than justifies his spot. I think one of the keys to our success has been our stability, don't think they'll be doing too much tampering until absolutely necessary.

        Commenter
        Rohan Connolly
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 5:53PM
    • Rohan, forgot to say, great commentary by you and your team, Happy New Year! And when you next see Chloe, give her a big kiss from me. Her articles are brilliant.

      And if you media guys get together can you do me a favour and punch Malcomn Conn in the face.

      Only joking. Don't punch him, just tell him him grow up.

      Commenter
      Monty
      Location
      Sydney
      Date and time
      January 04, 2014, 5:48PM
      • Thanks for that Monty, and to you as well. Will give Chloe a peck on the cheek for you, not sure about the Conn-man, though, he's a pretty big unit, bigger than me, anyway!

        Commenter
        Rohan Connolly
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 5:51PM
      • Nice one. I hope she appreciates it.

        Re: Conn. He's obviously a talented journo but his acerbic delivery is a sign of a bitter man. That's why I only read cricket news in the SMH. Chloe, Jesse, Andrew......I doff my proverbial cap.

        Commenter
        Monty
        Location
        Sydney
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 6:01PM
    • England bowling well now, but their inability to knock off the Aussie middle order cheaply has cost them in this series, along with their deplorable batting. Their selection policy has been rubbish, too, with out of form stalwarts being exposed. Yet the replacement players, with the exception of Stokes, have not impressed.

      For Australia, the only dud note in this test has been the ridiculous sight of a former PM shredding what little of his dignity remained performing his party trick of sculling a beer on demand for a crowd comprised of faux Benauds.

      Commenter
      rudy
      Date and time
      January 04, 2014, 5:39PM
      • Are you a batty boy?

        Commenter
        daveyboy
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 5:57PM
    • Dave Warner needs to knuckle down. If he played with responsibility Australia would be still 0 wickets down. He may be an exciting player but there are times when discretion is required, not constant rushes of irresponsible blood.

      Commenter
      Fred
      Location
      London
      Date and time
      January 04, 2014, 5:37PM
      • Rojas any chance your papers could do a weekly update on the say top 10 Shield players batting averages bowling averages?

        Commenter
        Armchair critic
        Date and time
        January 04, 2014, 5:34PM
        • Odds on Bailey having an impact here?

          Commenter
          Milo
          Date and time
          January 04, 2014, 5:28PM
          • $5 says he's out before he gets 20.

            Commenter
            Monty
            Location
            Sydney
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:40PM
          • Pretty good - he can play like its 20/20, his forté.

            The wicket clearly plays better after about 20 overs, so there could be some easy pickings for both batsmen.

            England has only scored as many runs as the current lead (300) twice in the series - 312 and 353

            I hope they don't get ahead of themselves and both score centuries.

            England really made a massive blunder with Borthwick. Monty (and Root) would put some pressure on.

            Commenter
            wear the fox hat
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:43PM
          • You owe us $5 Monty.
            I'd love to see Bailey to go and be a top middle order batsman at test level but I still can't see him holding his place.

            Commenter
            stevek
            Location
            Sydney
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:59PM
        • James Brayshaw and Isn Chappell are my picks for the most annoying commentators

          Commenter
          Dr Manners
          Date and time
          January 04, 2014, 5:28PM
          • Back to the cricket after a rather exuberant daveyboy thinking Aussies are the only sportsman in the world .

            England have struggled but so must I say have the Aussies apart from twilight Haddin and Smith. It's taken him years but I still think man of the series should go to new blood, Stokes gets my vote! He and Broad have shone in this Ashes Tour...

            Commenter
            Bonzo
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:23PM
            • Australia have shared the load with what 7 different century makers. It's good to know its not a case of if Clark fails we lose. Be grateful all the top order have not clicked in the same game

              Commenter
              Armchair seller toe
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:42PM
            • Stokes had one good batting innings and one good bowling innings. Man of the series clearly cannot go to a player from a team that has been destroyed.

              Commenter
              daveyboy
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 6:02PM
          • Is that Stuart Macgill's wife? Nice one Stu. Punching above his weight (which is getting considerable)

            Commenter
            Monty
            Location
            Sydney
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:15PM
            • Looks like a younger version of her (Rachel Friend), Monty. He looks about 10 years older than what he is, poor Stu.

              Commenter
              Gavin S
              Location
              Bundanoon NSW
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:22PM
            • Nice one Monty. How's Mrs P?

              Yes, I think that is Rachel Friend, married to Stuart McGill with two kids.

              Commenter
              stevek
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:29PM
            • Steven, Mrs P is currently massaging my non-injured ankle. I just couldn't be bothered. It's what we English spinners do.

              Commenter
              Monty
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:38PM
          • I am amazed how cricketers have managed to make a slow game even slower. What happened to fines for slow over rates??

            Commenter
            Gavin S
            Location
            Bundanoon NSW
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:13PM
            • It would help if the bowler's run up wasn't distracted by pot holes.

              I guess the SCG are replicating Sydney's roads.

              Commenter
              Monty
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:27PM
            • Or he could just get on and bowl like the rest of us have to when we play.

              Commenter
              Stephen
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 6:26PM
          • Channel 9's most annoying commentator? My finalists are Healy, Slater, Brayshaw & Chappell. Warne would be in there except he does make some good analysis comments. Brayshaw & Slater are my top two today. Rohan, any thoughts?

            Commenter
            Gavin S
            Location
            Bundanoon NSW
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:09PM
            • Gav, Warney is awesome. He knows the game so well he sees things that we 'village cricket players' don't even contemplate.

              Otherwise I agree.

              Keep Bumble on all day.

              Oh how we all miss Tony. (RIP)

              Commenter
              Monty
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:21PM
            • I know this might surprise everyone, but none of them have annoyed me too much this summer. Perhaps mixing things up with Bumble and Vaughan has balanced the jingoism out a little more. And with all due respect to the late T. Grieg, they seem to have eased up on the flogging of memorabilia!

              Commenter
              Rohan Connolly
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:35PM
            • Nup
              Agree about the gutless Piers-bashing Healy but Ian Chappell knows what he is talking about. I think he is the best one

              Commenter
              Benny More
              Location
              Wagga Wagga
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:42PM
            • Benny do us a favour and look up the Leveson Inquiry.

              Commenter
              For Fox Sake
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 5:57PM
          • I thought Sydney closed down over Xmas/NY? So busy at work (good sign for the economy) that I've missed all of today's play.

            And I'm glad I did.

            No OBEs this year.

            Pathetic.

            Commenter
            Monty
            Location
            Sydney
            Date and time
            January 04, 2014, 5:03PM
            • Which Ch9 "personality" would people like to have a beer with??
              A) Slater B) Brayshaw C) Stefanovich D) Would prefer to do FebFast than have a beer with any of those blokes

              Commenter
              Blerg!
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 4:53PM
              • Funny. But I'd love to have a beer with Warney, Bumble and Mark Nicholas.

                Commenter
                Monty
                Location
                Sydney
                Date and time
                January 04, 2014, 5:05PM
              • Yes Monty I would be happy to have a beer with those blokes too!

                Commenter
                Blerg!
                Date and time
                January 04, 2014, 5:21PM
            • We can laugh all we like at the Poms, but once again three of our top order have collapsed. Lucky we had a reasonable lead.

              Commenter
              Paul
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 4:50PM
              • Spot on ,Paul.This is an ageing side with at least one player who is definitely not test class.Top marks to Haddin,but does Matthew Wade possess his batting brilliance.At 36,Haddin is surely near retirement as a wicket keeper.Davey Warner only knows one game and it either comes off or it doesnt.The bolter for australia has been Steve Smith and if he can take some wickets,that would be great for Australia.

                Commenter
                Jimmy of Shelley
                Date and time
                January 04, 2014, 5:16PM
            • Looking at those 4 overthrows courtesy of Bairstow to give 7 runs off the ball, what is the most runs that could be scored from one ball. I'm guessing 9: no ball + 4 runs (not a boundary) + 4 overthrows.

              Commenter
              stevek
              Location
              Sydney
              Date and time
              January 04, 2014, 4:45PM
              • Unfortunately I have day 4 tickets, might get an hour of play in!!!!!!

                Commenter
                jh
                Date and time
                January 04, 2014, 4:43PM
                • 7 runs off one ball...well done pommies! LOL

                  Commenter
                  Blind Bob
                  Location
                  Englands Fielding Coach
                  Date and time
                  January 04, 2014, 4:41PM
                  • The good thing for Australia is that Mr Borthwick will have to come on,bowling his waist high full tosses!

                    Commenter
                    Jimmy of Shelley
                    Date and time
                    January 04, 2014, 4:36PM
                    • For how much longer do we have to put up with Watson insulting the Australian number 3 position? Perhaps now, with George Bailey's position on the line, we might see Watson come in at 6, where he should be batting, and a true Test batsman coming in at 3.

                      Commenter
                      Parto
                      Date and time
                      January 04, 2014, 4:24PM
                      • i love this stuff. two tons and two fifties in his last 6 tests at #3, not quite Ponting but better than Ian Chappell at his peak. he can come over and rub some insult into my wounds if he keeps that success rate up.

                        Commenter
                        Peter Warrington
                        Location
                        marrickville
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 4:49PM
                      • Watson should be in the team, but his bowling has been more valuable than his batting. Yes he has made runs, but not when it really mattered or when there was any pressure. Even in Melbourne England had already lost the plot by the time he came in. On the other hand, at no. 6 he could be devastating.

                        Commenter
                        Stephen
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 5:10PM
                      • highest successful run chase at the MCG for 50 years...

                        Commenter
                        Peter Warrington
                        Location
                        marrickville
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 5:21PM
                      • Hey boys, go back and do some research. An Australian number 3 averaging 36, with four Test centuries in over 90 innings? Give me a break. Look at recent past number 3s, for instance; http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/recent-australian-no-3-batsmen-20101230-19b6w.html, and then tell me how Watson compares with them. For the record, Chappelli averaged 50 batting at number 3, after averaging in the 20s batting at 6 in his early days.

                        Commenter
                        Parto
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 5:27PM
                      • Have to agree with Stephen. Watson at six would/could be awesome. He's certainly not a no.3

                        Commenter
                        Monty
                        Location
                        Sydney
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 5:34PM
                      • yep, he was a gun. but he didn't score a ton when we won 74 and only got one ton and no fifties when we beat the Windies in 75-6. nobody said he was an insult to number 3 or asked for him to be dropped. people have got too used to the domination of the Lara generation, there are great bowlers around now and pitches with spice, and Watson has done well at Durham (real good 68 batting out of position and unlucky to nick down leg), The Oval; Adelaide (he and Rogers calmed things down for a couple of hours, as a #3 should, his innings in Perth helped set up the win; and his chase in Melbourne was fabulous, something we haven't been crash hot at in 40 years. and his 40 yesterday was the only reason we weren't 6-60 at lunch, as the Poms were.

                        if he loses form again I would gladly drop him, but he has done well enough for mine, and dropping him now would just seem vengeful to me.

                        Commenter
                        Peter Warrington
                        Location
                        marrickville
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 5:57PM
                      • sorry, forgot Chapelli's second dig fifty at the Gabba in 75-6.

                        will never forget him averaging less than 10 in SA in 1969-70 when tagged the best batsman in the world by Lawry. he may well have been, but it shows what good bowling can do.

                        for mine, teams scoring 350 at rate and averaging 35-45 is pretty compelling stuff, especially with juice in the wicket. 40 is the new 50. and the old 40.

                        Commenter
                        Peter Warrington
                        Location
                        marrickville
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 6:13PM
                    • I can't help wonder if this is all the result of too much quinoa?

                      Commenter
                      no_subject
                      Date and time
                      January 04, 2014, 4:22PM
                      • Bob Hawke gets the Warnie stamp of approval as Australia's greatest PM. Suspect his criteria may be a little different to most!

                        Commenter
                        Rohan Connolly
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 4:17PM
                        • Can we list the similarities between the two? (without legal repercussions) :)

                          Commenter
                          Steve
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:22PM
                        • Well we knew it could never have been Abbott. With all his spin Warnie would not spin that one.

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:32PM
                        • Not so sure RC. I think there would be plenty of cricket fans who would agree. Nothing would say 'champ' more to them than seeing Bob skoll a schooner in front of a mob of blokes dressed as Richie Bernaud...at the SCG!

                          Commenter
                          stevek
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:48PM
                        • Warney is so wrong. Keating was the best PM this country very had. Best Liberal PM that we never had. Back to the cricket people........

                          Commenter
                          Monty
                          Location
                          Sydney
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 5:12PM
                      • "Dads Army" is doing just fine, Rohan. Be interesting to see who stays / goes for the "Seth Efrikan" series. Off topic, great to see "Sir" Bob Hawke, wouldn't the last federal-election of been a different result, had he been at the helm of the ALP.

                        Commenter
                        Mario Speedwagon
                        Location
                        Narrabeen
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 4:17PM
                        • I agree - KRudd's too much of a chardonnay sipper, but if Labor didn't get rid of Julia when they did - it would have been total carnage.
                          Swanny had a bbq at Virginia before the election - there's a bit of Hawkey in him????

                          Commenter
                          Steve
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:21PM
                      • Rohan and all readers. As our bowling line up seems settled with good depth also, what Shield batsmen should be in contention for a Test call up

                        Commenter
                        Armchair selector
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:57PM
                        • Usman Khawaja

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:01PM
                        • Usual suspects, I think. Hughes, Doolan, Khawaja.

                          Commenter
                          Rohan Connolly
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:08PM
                        • Silk. Hughes. then daylight.

                          I would also look to get one of the kids back into the bowling lineup, preferably Cummins but more likely Pattinson, as long as he is not bowling mediums like he did in England. Siddle to stand down but add depth to the squad. One of Harris or Johnson is likely to be gone in the next 12 months.

                          Would love a leggie in the arsenal, probably Boyce, with a 4 man attack and Watson a goer on some wickets.
                          (and Clarke could bowl Smith or Warner more - there are whole countries who can't play legspin. kinda sorta)

                          Commenter
                          Peter Warrington
                          Location
                          marrickville
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:11PM
                        • As Steve Waugh pointed out,Hughes has 25 first class centuries and can therefore play.Surely he deserves another opportunity?Kwaja?Possibly given as many opportunities as he will get!

                          Commenter
                          Jimmy of Shelley
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:12PM
                        • Don"t want to throw Travis Head in the deep end, but what does he average in First Class?

                          Commenter
                          Aussie
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:16PM
                        • Agree Rohan
                          I think Hughes shows more capacity than the others even though he is inconsistent. As a croweater I would like it to be Hughes who showed great form in South Africa when he was much younger and has centuries recently playing Shield

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:23PM
                        • in the 60s Silk would have played this series, at 6, instead of the specialist short leg fielder we have at the moment. all of our champs have been picked by his age, except M Hussey, who is the paradox, not the paradigm.

                          Commenter
                          Peter Warrington
                          Location
                          marrickville
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:30PM
                        • Had my say on this yesterday. Hughes at 3, Watson at 6. Doolan and maybe Silk should get a trip to SA as they have serious potential.

                          Commenter
                          Stephen
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:39PM
                        • Nice to see people's views. Sadly shows me we currently lack enough strong contenders putting pressure on our batsmen. I would look at Faulkner to replace Bailey as he brings another bowling option as well. North since Langer got him to open maybe tours a back up opener who can bat in the middle. On form Hughes tours but I still think he can not handle Test level, Doolen as well. My record as an armchair selector I get more wrong than right though

                          Commenter
                          Armchair selector
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:59PM
                        • stop moving the goalposts.Silk was a gun as a kid and scored 3 huge proper tons and a fifty from his first 6 shield games, some of them against a rampant Harris. that used to be enough, and in my world it would be enough. that's how I chappell G Chappell I Redpath N Harvey S Waugh D Martyn R Ponting J Langer M Hayden M Clarke M Slater etc etc got into the team.

                          we could have had a silk purse and went for a cow's arse in Bailey instead. one of the worst decisions of my long life, and I said that even before they picked him, let alone after 5 tests.

                          Commenter
                          Peter Warrington
                          Location
                          marrickville
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 6:04PM
                      • @Benny More from Wagga - Are you Mickey Arthur?

                        Commenter
                        Stevo
                        Location
                        Strathpine Qld
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:51PM
                        • No but I grew up in SA. Adelaide not Bloemfontein. I hate rugby. I am a real umpire hating Aussie. I don't know any Africans who barrack for West Adelaide. I know because there are very few Westies supporters at all and the accent would stick out. Go the Midey Blood and Tars (Essendon copied our jumper).

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:39PM
                      • To those who have said the team that wins the toss wins the game. England won the toss put Australia in now trail by 171 runs. Australia to good at home win or lose the toss

                        Commenter
                        Armchair selector
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:50PM
                        • There's no certainties in sport, BUT the stats do back it up, that most tests generally go with the toss

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:58PM
                      • Batting practise now for our blokes. Probably got a winning lead now. Need to see off new ball - Go Aussies, pound the Poms :)

                        Commenter
                        Stevo
                        Location
                        Strathpine Qld
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:47PM
                        • It's going to be awfully close but me thinks it will end 1 whitewash each!

                          Commenter
                          Sophisticated
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:56PM
                      • 35 overs left, if England don't go on a numb-er strike. what odds Warner a ton in the session?

                        Commenter
                        Peter Warrington
                        Location
                        marrickville
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:38PM
                        • you'd get great odds now. he started well, though, like Kim Hughes on the trip to england in 77

                          Commenter
                          Peter Warrington
                          Location
                          marrickville
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:16PM
                      • Oh no, not the sporting arena marriage proposal!

                        Commenter
                        Rohan Connolly
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:24PM
                        • Yeah, but wouldn't it been funny if she knocked him back :)

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:27PM
                        • hopefully same sex, in front of Abbott? ( few of the Channel 9 guys seem in love with people of the same sex - generally themselves.)

                          Where is the Onanistic Typewriter when you need it?

                          Conroy Maddox to captain England?

                          Commenter
                          Peter Warrington
                          Location
                          marrickville
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:32PM
                        • fox in all his incarnations and his mates could propose to each other in Sydney and skip down to Canberra for the wedding- or better yet over to Kiwi land where the locals would drink them under the table, wrap them in a mutual flag and die of laughter.

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:45PM
                        • Brett Lee and Piers Morgan ?

                          Commenter
                          True Love
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:46PM
                        • @Peter Warrington
                          Good one mate I will pay that one. Pretty good for a Bays supporter.

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 5:14PM
                      • Healey has just said England are hypnotised. When is the new word I coined specially for England going to get some currency?

                        Embarragasted = embarrassed and flabbergasted.

                        England are embarragasted.

                        Commenter
                        PommieLover
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:20PM
                        • Might have promise - could be right up there with one of mine; Aggranoying = a word I use often in describing my kids :)

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:29PM
                        • Give it time - it might catch on

                          Commenter
                          Yeah Right
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:37PM
                      • This is the worst United Nations Team England have sent

                        Commenter
                        Armchair selector
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:14PM
                        • What about Keppler Wessels?
                          At least you are not salivating and pretending you are not in an arm chair

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:53PM
                        • So during Apartheid, Oz had one Saffer - the Poms had 5 or 6.

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:05PM
                        • I have nothing against the Boers. Nor did the Aussies when we bowed to mother England and with grovelling alacrity went over to South Africa to put innocent Boers in concentration camps. Then we made a movie playing helpless victim.

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:30PM
                        • You're clearly not from Wagga mate. If you were you would be down at the Vic drinking a schooner.

                          Commenter
                          daveyboy
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:43PM
                        • daveyboy You are on the money there.
                          I am from Adelaide. Good perception there. I just live in Wagga Wagga. I just get mental health treatment here.

                          Commenter
                          Benny More
                          Location
                          Wagga Wagga
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 5:18PM
                      • Remember Australia 98 all out in Melbourne, and that was at home.

                        Commenter
                        Bonzo
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 3:03PM
                        • We remember Bonzo - but unfortunately for you, it did not happen this series. Just suck it up big fella - we're too good :)

                          Commenter
                          Stevo
                          Location
                          Strathpine Qld
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:05PM
                        • Remember Australia bowling England out for 53 and 62 at Lords in in 1888? Then for 52 at the Oval in 1948? Whats you point exactly? Remeber England getting absolutely humiliated in the 2013-2014 Ashes?

                          Commenter
                          parqu
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:15PM
                        • Can't say as I remember any of those , too long ago as for 2013/2014, both teams have chosen their pitches and neither has been humiliated so don't make dumb comments please !

                          Commenter
                          Bonzo
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:33PM
                        • Ahh Australia were competitive in England. Despite a couple of players England have been highly embarrassing this series. Bonzo your bias is almost disgusting. I earlier read your comments regarding England out performing Australia in all sports? I think perhaps the only sport you have the metal on us is football (soccer). Olympics we have consistently out performed the Brits. Tennis is filled with far more Australian legends than British (if there is any). Rugby is a sport that is only played by two states in Australia (and even within those states it is very much an upper class sport) and we have still consistently performed better than your countrymen. And let's not forget the Australian population is tiny in comparison. I could go on and on but it is important that you pull you biased head in!!!

                          Commenter
                          Daveyboy
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 3:54PM
                        • Ummm, England have been COMPLETELY HUMILIATED. Ask anyone!

                          Commenter
                          parqu
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:05PM
                        • Daveyboy, just look it up Olympics British medals 780, Australian 467. . Both been in 27 Olympics !!

                          Commenter
                          Bonzo
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:28PM
                        • Look up the last 50 years dunce! Britain only won so many in the early years because they were about the only country competing!!

                          Commenter
                          daveyboy
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:51PM
                      • C'mon Clarke - get Johnson to bowl some chin wackers at broad and rest Lyon!!!

                        Commenter
                        Aussie Jim
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 2:59PM
                        • Tennis maybe but the Olympics never not in a million years, in fact the Brits outshone the Aussies in Beijing and London and they gave way more medals then Australia does. Another dumb comment

                          Commenter
                          Bonzo
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:04PM
                        • Look at the history you idiot. I'm not sure if you're the full quid or not. Yes England did slightly better in the last two clicks but look before that. You are having a laugh aren't you? Either that or you can't read.

                          Commenter
                          daveyboy
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 4:15PM
                        • Sorry put reply in wrong place . Brits 780 Olympic medals , Aussies 467 daveyboy , both contested 27 Olympics. I may enjoy the banter but I always talk facts!!

                          Commenter
                          Bonzo
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 5:00PM
                      • I think the Poms mentally left the game a long time ago.

                        Commenter
                        Catherine
                        Date and time
                        January 04, 2014, 2:54PM
                        • Boycott is right - Cook is no captain. Looks the goods: handsome, right schools, a stylish batsman, actually English etc.
                          But it was already clear in the England series. Way too defensive by nature. Does not show confidence in his bowlers and try to make the running. Too fast to spread the field when challenged. Too often plugs the obvious gap AFTER the chance goes sailing. Does not ring changes to shake things up. Sure Clarke looks much better with a Johnson in his arsenal, but his play making and field setting is a master class Cook seems oblivious to. If Prior held form one would think he's the man.

                          Commenter
                          Milo
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 2:49PM
                          • @milo
                            I don't think he is "handsome" as you put it mate. But then I have never looked at him in that way.

                            Commenter
                            Benny More
                            Location
                            Wagga Wagga
                            Date and time
                            January 04, 2014, 5:10PM
                        • Yesterday I said that it wasd a good thing Brad Hadddin got out so he could have a rest before he had to bat today.That was no joke although this English team is!Australia will encounter much sterner opposition in South Africa with Dale Steyn and his brethren!

                          Commenter
                          Jimmy Of Shelley
                          Date and time
                          January 04, 2014, 2:40PM
                          • Congratulations to the Poms for finding yet a new way to make our 5/97 look real great.

                            Innovative or what?

                            Commenter
                            PommieLover
                            Date and time
                            January 04, 2014, 2:39PM
                            • No Swing. No pace. Nothing deliveries from Siddle. No batsman should ever get dismissed by Siddle's pie chuckers. Shameful.

                              Commenter
                              Ray
                              Location
                              Auckland
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 2:37PM
                              • Ray,

                                He has actually claimed 167 test wickets at the reasonable averasge of 29.He is actually a very reliable bowler and has been the perfect partner for Michael Johnson this series.Not much point in Johnson bowling well if a no-hoper is bowling at the other end!

                                Commenter
                                Jimmy Of Shelley
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:57PM
                              • That would say more about the men Siddle has got out than about Siddle.

                                I always like an honest toiler and this is also why I've never disliked Bresnan either.

                                Incidentally, where's Sandeep? I lurk a lot and he's a way better troller.

                                Commenter
                                WKCIA
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:00PM
                              • Ok Ray, we get it, you don't rate this Aust team . How about you try and post an observation on a different theme?

                                Commenter
                                Mike
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:01PM
                              • Have a look at who Siddle has got out in his career and when he has got them. Also his average is ok. Ask these Test level players what they think of Siddle.What level cricket have you played to give you the right to bag him?

                                Commenter
                                Armchair selector
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:03PM
                              • Sorry - he got confused and meant Trent Boult was a pie chucker

                                Commenter
                                Ray's mum
                                Location
                                Auckland
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:05PM
                              • seems to have KP's number?

                                Commenter
                                Stevo
                                Location
                                Strathpine Qld
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:07PM
                              • Ray's trolling again. Shameful.

                                Commenter
                                Benny Moore
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:42PM
                              • @Benny Moore (not Benny More)
                                but you are trolling yourself mate, taking my name and adding an "O".... sad really. Not confident of your capacity to express yourself? Yeah I can see that and I sympathise. There are courses available to hone your expressive abilities. I suggest the more basic ones from which you can slowly work your way up to an adequate linguistic level.

                                Commenter
                                Benny More
                                Location
                                Wagga Wagga
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 5:09PM
                            • Just dawned on me that 9 of England's 11 are left-hand batsmen. Not that it's done them any good, but would have to be a record, wouldn't it?

                              Commenter
                              Rohan Connolly
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 2:35PM
                              • OK, replying to my own comments! It's EIGHT not nine ... Still a bloody lot, though!

                                Commenter
                                Rohan Connolly
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:38PM
                            • Just to give you an idea how badly this team will be slaughtered in South Africa...the average runs scored by the first 5 Australian wickets this entire series is 120. Haddin will probably end up being Philander's bunny.

                              Commenter
                              Ray
                              Location
                              Auckland
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 2:24PM
                              • We'll do better than New Zealand would - that great Cricketing nation.

                                Commenter
                                parqu
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:40PM
                              • Poor ray, having to live vicariously through other achievements. Even your lowly black caps may have put up more of a fight than these poms.

                                Commenter
                                Jak
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:41PM
                              • Umm...the last series was SA def Aust 1-0 in 2012/13, when Australia was not playing anywhere near the level they are playing today (hardly an indication of a slaughter)....just another feeling from an Aha song again Ray?

                                Muppet...ha ha ha

                                Commenter
                                Aussie Jim
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:43PM
                              • This is about as feasible assaying that the All Blacks won't win a single test match in 2014. Open your eyes and see talent when it is staring you in the face.

                                Commenter
                                Sensible
                                Location
                                Level headed
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:29PM
                              • @jak you yourself had nothing to do with it. You rub their noses in it from your arm chair. Jeeze some of you brave warriors are deluded. Moreover without Ray you have nobody to foist your puerile triumphalism on. Maybe he is a plant for whiners to hone their witless comments . Without Ray it would just be an exercise in self gratification of a blokes only nature with all that that implies.

                                Commenter
                                Benny More
                                Location
                                Wagga Wagga
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:42PM
                            • I admit I haven't read all the comments from every day of every match but has anyone made the obvious point (would it be a pun?) about how at least the first Captain Cook to visit Australia came with Endeavour?

                              Commenter
                              Doug
                              Location
                              Canberra
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 2:18PM
                              • The other Captain Cook died at the hands of the natives.
                                As you imply, there is some similarity to this situation.

                                Commenter
                                Kana'ina
                                Location
                                Hawaii
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:02PM
                              • But the natives here would surely not eat this Captain Cook. Wait a minute maybe wear the fox hat would.

                                Commenter
                                Benny More
                                Location
                                Wagga Wagga
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 4:18PM
                            • what have the armchair experts got to say about watto's drop and then near-drop of Pietersen? both his the top of the hands. poor eyes? not staying low? just a coincidence?

                              everyone drops a sitter in their career. just wondering what was going on. only sensible technical answers please! or funny abuse.

                              Commenter
                              Peter Warrington
                              Location
                              marrickville
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 1:45PM
                              • There will only be a post-mortem if we lose!

                                Commenter
                                Get the Fox outa here
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 2:00PM
                              • @get the fox out of here is that "we" a royal plural from reading too much Shakespeare or just an indication that you think you had something to do with the certain victory?

                                Commenter
                                Benny More
                                Location
                                Wagga Wagga
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 3:33PM
                              • Yep.

                                Commenter
                                Get the Fox outa here
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 6:13PM
                            • was that the last nail in cook's coffin?he needed to bad all day and make 600, and instead surrendered not with a bang but a whimper?

                              I like him as a bat, a bloke and his captaincy is not as bad as people say. But 5-0 is 5-0 and gone padding up just looks like brain fatigue.

                              There will be blood?

                              Commenter
                              Peter Warrington
                              Location
                              marrickville
                              Date and time
                              January 04, 2014, 1:43PM
                              • Another weak gutless performance by the English top order, sure Australia bowled well but they were not unplayable..... Possibly the worst performance overall from any English side to tour Australia, only Stokes and Broad (for his bowling not his batting!) can hold their heads high after this train wreck of a tour.

                                Commenter
                                Grouch
                                Date and time
                                January 04, 2014, 1:00PM
                                • I LOVE watching the Poms capitulate! While Australia's foot is on their throats - press down harder!! A proud day for Australian Cricket! Go snivel in your beer England.

                                  Commenter
                                  Aussie in NZ
                                  Location
                                  Auckland
                                  Date and time
                                  January 04, 2014, 12:40PM
                                  • A whitewash in the summer, and a whitewash here, evens then

                                    Commenter
                                    bonzo
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 12:53PM
                                  • Bloody oath mate. Love the way the Poms live in the past. Hey Bonzo, this is 2014 Cobber and we're gutting the Poms....Haha!!

                                    Commenter
                                    Tonnage
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:18PM
                                  • Is there a direct flight outa here this arvo.
                                    We don't want to be on the same plane as the barmy army?

                                    Commenter
                                    Get the Fox outa here?
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:25PM
                                  • A whitewash means 5-0, not 3-0

                                    Commenter
                                    SillyPomsLOL
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:32PM
                                  • Hope you're not an accountant Bonzo. Your books don't balance. Just to confirm, WHITEWASH means you win every game. Not three - a couple by the skin of your teeth, and get saved by rain in a draw...

                                    Commenter
                                    Milo
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:38PM
                                  • Yep,
                                    Vaughan, Atherton, Hussain, Strauss in the commentary box in the UK leg - it takes a 5-0 thrashing to make up for that unbearable cloud of smuggness.

                                    Commenter
                                    Milo
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:45PM
                                  • With you on that, Milo, found Atherton and Hussain particularly grating.

                                    Commenter
                                    Rohan Connolly
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:50PM
                                  • my fave whitewash was the 3-0 in 79-80, the one the Brearlyites never ever mention.

                                    Commenter
                                    Peter Warrington
                                    Location
                                    marrickville
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:55PM
                                  • Just a blip. Otherwise England are generally the better side. Ashes notoriously sway from one victor to the other. It's 32 to 31 now u know, just remember who is the better rounded sports nation for successes and you'll find GB ranks much higher than Australia , just google it bud!

                                    Commenter
                                    Bonzo
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 1:57PM
                                  • I see one of you fellow countryman is also talking about a 3-0 whitewash , you really have no idea!

                                    Commenter
                                    Bonzo
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 2:20PM
                                  • Hey Bonzo,
                                    There were only 3 matches in 79-80. If you knew your cricket you wouldn't even have to look it up.

                                    Commenter
                                    Stephen
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 2:28PM
                                  • The only blip has been Englands' good form for the last few years. 4 wins in 14 series is the definition of blip!

                                    Commenter
                                    parqu
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 2:49PM
                                  • Obviously Bonzo is referring 'rounded sports' being Equestrian and Bowls - oh hang one we beat them in that also!

                                    Head to head Bonzo Australia have won 30 odd more tests than England circa 30% more).

                                    Commenter
                                    Aussie Jim
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 2:49PM
                                  • onya Bonzo, keep drumming away. yours, John Paul Jones.

                                    Commenter
                                    Peter Warrington
                                    Location
                                    marrickville
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 3:15PM
                                  • Get the fox outa here
                                    It would only be fair to the barmy army if you refrained from sharing your delightful sagacity with them. I am relieved too coz we don't want them to go back to Albion (he main country mentioned in our national anthem) and confirm their snobbery about Aussies. 'My good fellow.. I don't mind losing to the colonials but watching them salivate on the plane is positively dreadful old chap".

                                    Commenter
                                    Benny More
                                    Location
                                    Wagga Wagga
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 4:11PM
                                • Dressing up as Richie Benaud at the cricket...it looks like my hot tub time machine has taken me back to 2006 when it would have been original and funny

                                  Commenter
                                  Blerg!
                                  Date and time
                                  January 04, 2014, 12:32PM
                                  • England are hopeless! These bloody Australians keep batting and bowling themselves out of trouble. What to do?

                                    Commenter
                                    Benny Moore
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 12:19PM
                                    • And Ray is a troll!

                                      Commenter
                                      For Fox Sake
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 1:37PM
                                    • @whatever fox you are today
                                      Benny Moore is a troll who resorted to hijacking my name (pathetic acknowledgement of inadequacy) You too are a troll whose main tactic is to accuse others of being a toll. But your comments salivate like the billy goats gruff facing the troll on the bridge.
                                      You are an anonymous blogger who has had nothing to do with the coming Aussie whitewash of the poms. Just thought I would point out your delusion on that point

                                      Commenter
                                      Benny More
                                      Location
                                      Wagga Wagga
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 2:55PM
                                    • Nah mate - that's another fox.

                                      And you're Joe the POM - and you know I didn't hide in the winter. How weak to take another nom-de-plume when you're losing.

                                      Commenter
                                      wear the fox hat
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 3:40PM
                                    • No I am Aussie through and through- saw every first class game in Adelaide between 1965 and 1973 and went most days.
                                      I barrack for the Crows and know more about Aussie Rules than any pom could. Follow my comments in the footy pages and you will see that I am totally AFL.
                                      Are you a west tigers supporter? You follow that Pommie game do you?
                                      I remember Garry Sobers playing for SA and taking the keeper gloves once when Les Favell was captain. I used to see the Chappell brothers play district level. Their Grand pa was Vic Richardson and they supported the West Adelaide footy club. You are grappling with an Oz cricket fanatic. I guarantee I know more than the average salivating bogan that blogs here. But I would rather be a pom than like your good self.

                                      Commenter
                                      Benny More
                                      Location
                                      Wagga Wagga
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 4:03PM
                                    • There's only one Tigers, and that's Glenelg.. well, Richmond, but I quite like Glenelg's strip too.

                                      Commenter
                                      Peter Warrington
                                      Location
                                      marrickville
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 4:25PM
                                    • @Peter Warrington. Hope Mickan does better with the Bloods than he did with the Tigers. The Chappells played cricket for Glenelg but barracked for the Bloods in footy.
                                      Steve Kernahan (and Harry) were great South Aussies; I wonder if the fox believes I am an Aussie now. There is a bunch of poms on horseback now blowing bugles and looking for a salivating fox. Someone should warn him

                                      Commenter
                                      Benny More
                                      Location
                                      Wagga (Australia)
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 4:56PM
                                  • 'nother 80 odd to avoid follow on - wow, was sure this would make the 4th day and i'd have something productive to do at work....

                                    Commenter
                                    Bugs
                                    Date and time
                                    January 04, 2014, 12:12PM
                                    • A Zimbabwean and Kiwi are in the middle batting for England. The Saffas have moved aside for the next crop of 'Englishman'.

                                      Commenter
                                      Gavin S
                                      Location
                                      Bundanoon NSW
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 12:09PM
                                      • Are u saying Australia is not encompassing of foreigners in cricket ? Sad but true in a country that has more than 25% of its population from overseas . It should be much more like the Uk, giving opportunity to everyone.

                                        Commenter
                                        bonzo
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:49PM
                                    • Ray from Auckland is actually Sandeep in disguise, he is sucking everyone with his comments, ignore him, he forgot his medication again this morning

                                      Commenter
                                      Sandeep's Mummy
                                      Location
                                      Mumbai
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 12:06PM
                                      • @Benny Moore
                                        This is Benny More of Wagga Wagga
                                        I am not posting any more as Benny More. I got under your skin so much you had to play this childish game to stop me. That means I won and will just continue under other names
                                        You couldn't do it with wit or intelligence so you had to do it by using a similar name.
                                        You are a witless troll; I will just use other names- makes no difference to me. But you resorting to this is an admission of defeat.

                                        Commenter
                                        Benny More
                                        Location
                                        Wagga Wagga
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:48PM
                                      • Poor Ray does seem to have an irrational hatred for all things Australian. Maybe its because Kiwis can't get the dole over here anymore?

                                        Commenter
                                        parqu
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 1:05PM
                                    • I'm getting in first here before anyone tries the Haddin cheat line. His gloves wrapped around the ball at exactly same time it hit the turf. Anyone who has ever worn keeping gloves will tell you in those circumstances it's impossible to tell whether it's hit the ground first or not.

                                      Commenter
                                      Rohan Connolly
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 12:02PM
                                      • In a tweet, Michael Vaughan said he though it was out. Quote: "I think it was out, I think it had gone in - Brad Haddin appears to get his fingers under the ball..."

                                        Commenter
                                        Dave
                                        Location
                                        Melb
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:06PM
                                      • I watched the replay, Rohan. Not out as It was clearly a no-ball.

                                        Commenter
                                        Benny Moore
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:32PM
                                      • This the same Benny that thinks Ray is not a troll?

                                        Commenter
                                        Fox wit
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:37PM
                                      • I'm standing in for the other Benny, my foxy fiend.

                                        Commenter
                                        Benny Moore
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 1:09PM
                                      • He's back and he's fired up.
                                        Time for me to leave.

                                        Commenter
                                        Benny Moore
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 1:54PM
                                      • fox wit can't you spell?
                                        I don't know benny moore. He is a troll because he is playing a game with the moniker. You too are a troll with all your foxy names; I don't see any difference between trolling for NZ and trolling for Oz anyway- the flags are nearly the same.
                                        Ray is certainly a troll but I don't see how you are any different except he has more guts and is more articulate. By the way this victory has nothing to do with you coz you are only watching (and salivating as if you had something to do with it)

                                        Commenter
                                        Benny More
                                        Location
                                        Wagga Wagga
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 2:47PM
                                    • The expected excuses are utterly laughable. How about just saying this is the worst England side to hit these shores for a long time. And believe me, there have been some truly awful ones.

                                      Commenter
                                      TareeDawg
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 11:55AM
                                      • And some pretty bad Australian sides , this one included apart from Haddin close to retirement and Smith otherwise similar first innings scores. Don't paper over the cracks, Australia are on the decline, have been for years since the 2000 Olympics ...and Bonzo needs to come clean, he is an Aussie who has never watched a cricket game in his life but enjoys the banter, both teams are as rubbish and boring as one another!!

                                        Commenter
                                        Bonzo
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 3:49PM
                                      • Obviously not an Aussie but just thought if joke with you boys!

                                        Commenter
                                        Bonzo
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 4:30PM
                                    • Best contribution from an Englishman this morning was the beautifully articulated answer Mark Nicholas gave Brayshaw about "English born cricketers". So far as bouncing tail-enders goes - all teams are guilty of that, not just Australia.

                                      Commenter
                                      Dave
                                      Location
                                      Melb
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 11:54AM
                                      • Agreed Dave...Nicholas made Brayshaw look like the fool he is. Still don't know why Ch 9 persist with him..oh that's right, it's a boys club

                                        Commenter
                                        Blerg!
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:09PM
                                      • I thought Mark Nicholas' comments were just a poor apology for England cherrypicking another African born and raised cricketer. There is a difference between someone who wasn't born in England but whose family moved there and who spent at least some of their formative years in England (Prior, Stokes) and someone who is born, raised and schooled in another country but who "qualifies" for England because they play county cricket (Ballance, Trott, Pietersen, Rankin).

                                        Commenter
                                        Mark
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 12:17PM
                                    • Illegal bowling action? Doctored pitches? How come nobody told me about that before; must send a letter to The Times

                                      Commenter
                                      Bothered
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 11:51AM
                                      • I always said those poms were cheats.

                                        Commenter
                                        Ye Olde Convict
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 11:57AM
                                    • Any remaining englishmen in our vicinity rapidly losing british paraphernalia and adopting foreign accents attempting to make small targets.
                                      Still I am somewhat relieved that Steyne and Philander are not bowling to us on this pitch as it would have been a very different outcome I think.
                                      Haddin shaping as the man of the series despite Johnson's heroics as he has consistently made our batting look better than it really has been. Top 6 have been inconsistent

                                      Commenter
                                      singapore slogger
                                      Location
                                      In a bar early again
                                      Date and time
                                      January 04, 2014, 11:46AM
                                      • Could've been exciting but time to turn off the tv and do something else. Nice weather outside. England are pathetic

                                        Commenter
                                        SR
                                        Location
                                        Sydney
                                        Date and time
                                        January 04, 2014, 11:38AM
                                        • Always good to play well especially against the Poms but I really worry about our boys turning up in Seth Effrica thinking it will also be a doddle over there! Guys like Amla, Steyn and de Villiers ARE the real deal and we will need to be at our best all the time i.e. none on these five-fer nothing followed by a Haddin led recovery things or we will get bapped!

                                          Commenter
                                          curaeus
                                          Date and time
                                          January 04, 2014, 11:37AM
                                          • Good comment. And they haven't forgotten the Boer War where we positively grovelled to Mother England to bully the colonials of Dutch descent. They love beating the Aussies too. It won't be a push over at all.
                                            This anti pom stuff is a charade given our past grovelling to mother England. We still have their flag on our flag and sing about them in our national anthem.

                                            Commenter
                                            Benny More
                                            Location
                                            Wagga (Australia)
                                            Date and time
                                            January 04, 2014, 5:00PM
                                        • Maybe its just my disillusionment in the amount of corruption in all modern sport, but I'll wait for the corruption enquiry before I celebrate.

                                          IPL - its expected every game to be decided before the toss of coin. But not tests.

                                          No team goes from that good, to that bad on just a flight from one country to the next.

                                          What were the odds on a 5-0 thrashing before the first aussie test??

                                          Commenter
                                          Davo
                                          Location
                                          Langers
                                          Date and time
                                          January 04, 2014, 11:37AM
                                          • Davo,
                                            You obviously don't know much about cricket. In England in 2013, the English batters struggled on slow pitches against an attack without Johnson. Out here, on bouncy pitches and with Johnson firing, England have really struggled. The Aussie batting has also struggled at times, but Haddin has bailed them out when they have been in trouble.

                                            Commenter
                                            Mark
                                            Date and time
                                            January 04, 2014, 12:03PM
                                        • Rohan do you think England have mentally left the country? They look like a B grade local team today

                                          Commenter
                                          Armchair selector
                                          Date and time
                                          January 04, 2014, 11:32AM
                                          • Certainly looks that way, quite pathetic this morning. But brilliant bowling too, having said that.

                                            Commenter
                                            Rohan Connolly
                                            Date and time
                                            January 04, 2014, 11:35AM
                                        • Shane Watson's dropped catch costs Australia dearly........... 2 runs.

                                          Commenter
                                          Rick
                                          Date and time
                                          January 04, 2014, 11:29AM
                                          • Makes me think that if England had batted first under the cloud yesterday morning then Oz would have a lead of a few hundred and increasing by now

                                            Commenter
                                            Cc
                                            Date and time
                                            January 04, 2014, 11:27AM
                                            • There is an unwritten gentleman's agreement in cricket...you never bounce a tail ender. Never. It's been respected and adhered for over a hundred years by every single cricketing nation...except for Australia. No wonder 99% of the world's neutral cricket supporters are rooting for England.

                                              Commenter
                                              Ray
                                              Location
                                              Auckland
                                              Date and time
                                              January 04, 2014, 11:26AM
                                              • Was Geoff Lawson a tailender?

                                                Commenter
                                                What the Fox
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:37AM
                                              • You obviously missed the West Indies through the 80's and early 90's.

                                                Commenter
                                                Stephen
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:42AM
                                              • That is absolute BOLLOCKS!!!

                                                Commenter
                                                parqu
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:48AM
                                              • 99%? Clearly you are the only neutral cricket supporter in the world - and even you are not sure!

                                                Commenter
                                                Whyalla Wipeout
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:48AM
                                              • Ray that stopped when McGrath decided to bounce the Windies bowlers. Besides tha no bounces tai lenders idea was ore helmets. When Agar hit his 98 should he be protected due to his batting at 11 or treated as a guy that can bat

                                                Commenter
                                                Arm chair selector
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:48AM
                                              • Have to totally agree with you Ray. Boult is no gentlemen having bounced the West Indians out last month.

                                                Commenter
                                                wear the fox hat
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:49AM
                                              • Bull dust Ray. Windies in the 1980s always bounced the tail if they had the temerity to hang around too long.
                                                That 'rule' was loosely adhered to in more amateur days when there were no helmets and more genuine bunnies and even then it was optional.

                                                Commenter
                                                Milo
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:51AM
                                              • You would probably mean 99% of all Kiwi supporters are rooting for England, considering the fact that 99% of all cricket supporters live in India. Hadlee never bounced Lillee or Thompson??????Sorry, Ray…..you are a little confused.

                                                Commenter
                                                roundman
                                                Location
                                                Adelaide
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:51AM
                                              • A kiwi troll, rarely spotted outside the rugby season, this species is renowned for its distinctive shoulder chip.

                                                Commenter
                                                Tonic01
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:52AM
                                              • Absolute rubbish, Ray. Not going to bother publishing another trolling comment that obvious.

                                                Commenter
                                                Rohan Connolly
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:53AM
                                              • You are kidding Ray,right? Been living under a rock for the last twenty years or so? Get a grip mate, come back to reality.

                                                Commenter
                                                Pants
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:54AM
                                              • I love your Kiwi Aussie bashing Ray. Re South Africa - they've been watching. In 2009 Johnson bowled one of the most deadly spells there, Smith and Kallis retired hurt. Why do you think Jacques decided to retire before a big home series like this?

                                                Commenter
                                                Milo
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 12:04PM
                                              • Natural enemy the Aussie Quickwit.
                                                Kiwi Troll now on endangered list.

                                                Commenter
                                                Fe Fi Fo Fum
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 12:10PM
                                              • Yes, it's true Ray of Auckland. I'm a neutral cricket supporter, as you say, and I like to root for England.

                                                Commenter
                                                Benny Moore
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 5:45PM
                                              • @Benny Moore (not Benny More of Wagga)
                                                Gutless mate. Trying to give the impression the other Benny (me)goes for the poms.
                                                I have consistently railed against having their flag on our's and them being mentioned more in the anthem than Oz is.
                                                Your pathetic attempt at basically fibbing is contemptible.

                                                Commenter
                                                Benny More
                                                Location
                                                Wagga Wagga
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 5:55PM
                                            • Man of series;

                                              Stokes (what a revelation)
                                              Hadden( coming good in twilight years)
                                              Broad. ( consistently brilliant)
                                              Jonson(gets away with illegal bowling action).

                                              Looks like a whitewash coming , just the other way around from the summer..

                                              Commenter
                                              Bonzo
                                              Date and time
                                              January 04, 2014, 11:11AM
                                              • Ha ha you make funny joke yes?
                                                No one qualifies from this pathetic bunch of OBE wannabes !

                                                Commenter
                                                For Fox Sake
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:28AM
                                              • Perhaps the Poms should start tampering with the ball to make it swing Bozo - just like they did in '05.

                                                Commenter
                                                ChubbMuff
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:29AM
                                              • The classic song by A-ha "Lambs to the Slaughter" comes to mind when I think of Australia's tour of South Africa next month

                                                I went down to the water
                                                Like a lamb to the slaughter
                                                And didn't know what was waiting for me there

                                                Nobody warned me
                                                Nobody told me
                                                My excuse is I wasn't prepared

                                                We go down
                                                We go down
                                                We go down
                                                It's the only way out

                                                Commenter
                                                Ray
                                                Location
                                                Auckland
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:34AM
                                              • Ever seen a crocodile eat a springbok Ray?

                                                Commenter
                                                Ewes are your Specialty
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:42AM
                                              • Illegal bowling action? What a crock! The umpires, in case you haven't noticed, are neutral-i.e. NOT Australian-and have no reason to overlook illegal bowling or any other real, or in your case imagined rule transgressions

                                                Commenter
                                                curaeus
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:43AM
                                              • Sounds like sour grapes to me, Ray.

                                                Commenter
                                                Switch
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:43AM
                                              • Lambs to the slaughter is what happens when a lamb foolishly goes anywhere near a kiwi pub at closing time.

                                                Commenter
                                                Wooly underpants
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:55AM
                                              • Johnson illegal bowling action?! Who of any repute ( besides your good self) has ever made the assertion he's a chucker???
                                                Back in your box fella..

                                                Commenter
                                                Milo
                                                Location
                                                Melbourne
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:59AM
                                              • When this Australian team loses 3-0 to the Saffers next month, what will that say about this English team? Dark days ahead for England but they need to avoid knee jerk team changes.

                                                Commenter
                                                Ray
                                                Location
                                                Auckland
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 1:24PM
                                              • Ha Ha Ray.
                                                A New Zealander (I assume), who listens to Aha, espousing knowledge and ridicule concerning cricket.
                                                Never observed such irony and BS in my life.
                                                Keep trolling sissy boy....

                                                Commenter
                                                Aussie Jim
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 2:34PM
                                              • For fox sake
                                                It has nothing to do with you since you are only watching. Of course we want Oz to win but try to stop salivating

                                                Commenter
                                                Benny More
                                                Location
                                                Wagga Wagga
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 2:39PM
                                              • @KiwiRay - can't tell if you're the real Ray or the troll Ray. Doesn't matter you're both very funny :)
                                                @Bonzo - Realistically, Man of the Series will be either Johnson or Haddin.
                                                That's all!

                                                Commenter
                                                Stevo
                                                Location
                                                Strathpine Qld
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 3:01PM
                                              • I'm not sure if you're having a laugh Bonzo? The fact that you have any English players in what seems will be a whitewash is humorous or extremely stupid?

                                                Commenter
                                                Daveyboy
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 3:42PM
                                              • I would have given man of the match to Mark Taylor if after he was called "Tubby" by the PM called him "Wingnut" in return. The delivery of informality was there from the PM, but Tubbs failed to get bat to ball. We can only hope there will be another opportunity some day soon.

                                                Commenter
                                                Martin
                                                Location
                                                the castle new
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 5:10PM
                                            • Wow, as Bill Lawry would say, it's all happening! What a start for the Aussies this morning, anyone got any pearls of wisdom on this devastating opening from Harris and Johnson?

                                              Commenter
                                              Rohan Connolly
                                              Date and time
                                              January 04, 2014, 11:10AM
                                              • It's the doctored pitches Rowan.

                                                Commenter
                                                wear the fox hat
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 11:16AM
                                              • Yeah, i got one from Piers Morgan - get out of the way, it hurts.

                                                Commenter
                                                Bugs
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 12:13PM
                                              • Too right Fox Hat!! What happened to the spinners pitch in Sydney that Warne used to demolish sides on?

                                                Commenter
                                                Cee Bee
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 12:50PM
                                              • what year exactly would that be? I would guess that Warne's second worse record after Perth is in Sydney. Imran's 12-for, those were the days...

                                                Commenter
                                                Peter Warrington
                                                Location
                                                marrickville
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 1:27PM
                                              • ok, Warne got 4 5-fors in 14 matches and averaged 28 at the SCG, compared to 25 for his career. he averaged 20 at the Gabba. 22 at the MCg but 30 at Adelaide. so kinda sorta no paradise, just a normal hunting ground for the Hemingway of spin.

                                                (Macgill got 5 5-fors in 8 games and averaged 24 in Sydney.)

                                                Commenter
                                                Peter Warrington
                                                Location
                                                marrickville
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 2:06PM
                                              • wear the fox hat. You need to be doctored yourself. Just change the first letter of your tedious name.

                                                Commenter
                                                Benny More
                                                Location
                                                Wagga Wagga
                                                Date and time
                                                January 04, 2014, 3:52PM
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