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If they go go Pattinson it will be interesting how he goes. We all know how good his been when fit. I would have liked to see Bird given a go as he can swing the ball a bit. Pity we don't have the same batting depth as bowlers. If ever there was a time for Clarke to put in a Captains innings this is it. Come on pup make a statement and score a big 200
Hello all. Hope Patto does replace Sidds. He seems a lot more aggressive. Also, It will be interesting to see who loses their place to Watson. As Armchair selector said we badly need some batters to step up in FC.
Agree on one point Armchair. Bird should have been included if they were to drop Siddle. I hope i'm wrong but the only way for the aggressive bowlers to succeed is Ryan Harris gets his groove back and keeps it tight. If he fails to do that watch for AB and Amla to tear us a new one.
Fair play to SAF for outplaying us in the 2nd game.Not sure what to make of the "reverse swing" capabilities of any team if it really means they scruff the ball up badly on one side. They must take weight off one side ? If it is legal, we should play that game too otherwise we are bunnies.That said, the last time I saw a ball swing that much was when my brother and I used to put tape on one side of a tennis ball. Couldn't believe someone could get that amount with a cricket ball and no tape..
Fair play to SAF for outplaying us in the 2nd game.
Not sure what to make of the "reverse swing" capabilities of any team if it really means they scruff the ball up badly on one side. They must take weight off one side ? If it is legal, we should play that game too otherwise we are bunnies.
That said, the last time I saw a ball swing that much was when my brother and I used to put tape on one side of a tennis ball. Couldn't believe someone could get that amount with a cricket ball and no tape..
The only time Pattinson has shone has been with the bat and against a team that is hopeless on lively pitches, India. Massively overrated and would not have dropped Siddle for him.
Pattinson has 47 Test wickets at 26.42 from 12 Tests with three 5-fors. That's an excellent start to a career by any standard.
Yes. But what is his average when you take out NZ and India's last tour? I stand by my overrated comment and i guess we will see in the SAf innings.
Rubbish Pattinson has done well bowling for Australia. He has never been dropped from the Test team on form like Cummins he has lost his place due to injury. I've got doubts that his played enough games since returning from injury however he must be showing something in the nets
Agree on that Tyger
Chuck, he's played TWELVE Tests! Take out anyone's best performances after so few matches and their average is going to look ordinary.
Let's just wait until he bowls. I hope I am proven wrong, but I think we can bother agree that his last Ashes performance was a shocker
Stress fractures in the back will do that every time, Chuck. I was at Lords when he played his last Test and he never looked right. Turns out he wasn't.
South Africa has done us a massive favour by including a mediocre Petersen and removing De Kock. Sorry couldn't help myself
Tyger Watsons been averaging over 40 since Boof took over
Watson at 3 again. Saints preserve us! Has the guy ever made a big hundred in a first innings to set up a Test match? Because that's what proper Test no. 3s do. Let's hope today's a first but I have a bad feeling about this.Also, can the Aussies - other than Rogers - find a slower gear when required? Apart from in the field the Saffers outplayed us in the last Test, but we didn't make it any harder for them with some awf\ul shot selection at times.
Tyger tether. I realise you are one of many Watson haters however fact is his batting form has improved under Boof. Clarke wants him in the team and rates him highly (strange considering Watson and Clarke are meant to dislike each other, maybe Clarkes big enough to rise above it). When fit Watson does his job as a bowler so give the guy support
Fine words, AS, but you didn't answer the question. What's he ever done at 3? WHEN IT MATTERS?
Tyger let's see how Watson bats this Test. The guy has a very good batting technique. He has scored an amazing amount of 50s and not gone on. Obviously it's mentally he fails. Boof has him batting better. By the way I have never said he should bat in the top 3. If he finally clicks and starts converting 50s to 100s then we will see him show his true potential
Tyger, I agree Watson has not proven himself at 3, but no-one else looks any better for the position. He has scored a couple of 1st innings centuries. His best, the 176 at the Oval last year to save a test.
AS, we've seen how he bats. He averages 36.33 from 95 innings with four hundreds. He's not a top order Test batsman, full stop. What he is is a very good all-rounder when fit. That means he needs to be able to bowl 30-40 overs a match and bat at six.BTW, I am not a "Watson hater". I'm not a hater at all. I simply don't rate Watson as highly as most and am sick of hearing about what he MIGHT do this match. He's a 32 year old seasoned professional. Whatever problems he has, psychological or otherwise, he should have sorted them out long before now.
Wow, Rudy! He's played 51 Tests and saved ONE. Hall of Fame material, clearly.
Tyger sadly he has spent much of his career out injured, lack of a long run of Tests hasn't helped. Haters got to hate. What matters is Boof wants him in the team and he has hardly set a foot wrong since becoming Coach
Tyger, I said that's his best, but not his only MoTM test performance. But I'm not here to defend Watson, just to balance your hate on him.
The excellent cricket writer Malcolm Knox said this of Watson in his SMH article today: 'Shane Watson, the permanent question-mark. Watson started the period in a familiar place, the medical ward. Since then, he has played every part except wicketkeeper. Is he an opener? A number three? A bowling all-rounder? A captain, even? Does he want to play at all? All possibilities have been canvassed. Throughout, Watson has bowled well without taking a lot of wickets and batted well without scoring a lot of runs. For selectors he remains a philosopher's stone, tantalisingly out of reach and impossible to stop going back to.'
Knox again, on the changes Australia has made at #3 in the past 2 years: 'Quiney, Watson, Phil Hughes, Clarke, Hughes again, Ed Cowan, Usman Khawaja, Watson again, James Faulkner, Watson (again!) and Alex Doolan, with another change possible for the Cape Town Test match.' So many tried and discarded, Tyger, and if Doolan can't establish himself at 3 it will be no surprise to see Watto back there.
Thanks for the Malcolm Knox, Rudy. Couldn't have put it better myself: Watson always promises; rarely delivers. As for the selectors continually falling for that promise, that's another can of worms altogether. Let's not go there.
Interesting that you confirm your bias by overlooking the 'impossible to stop going back to' part, Tyger. Well, not impossible, it just happens in the absence of better alternatives. But maybe Doolan will do.
Good to see Sam Robson do well for the English Lions. Now if only they can find a SAffa they may be a decent team again soon
Be interesting to see if we can win now we won the toss. All I've read this summer is the team that wins the toss wins the Test. I rate SA to highly to think the toss effects them.
Brave decision on Patto. He must have been showing something in practice. Is he any good at reverse swing?
Hasn't been his go in the past, dog. More an off the deck sort of bowler.
Beautiful seam position, gets consistent late outswing at pace.
The team batting 2nd at Newlands has won 7 of the last 8 Tests in which there has been a result. Hmmm
Hope someone's taught Warner you can scor fours by picking the gaps and hitting along the ground. Bradman only hot 6 sixers in his career as he believed you can't get caught if the ball is hit along the ground
Plenty of gaps in the air, AS. The game has changed just a little since Bradman's day. Having said that, I agree Warner needs to find another gear at times. Problem is he combines extraordinary talent with an equally extrardinary ego. Thinks he can dominate anyone, anywhere, anytime.
No it hasn't Tyger you hit in the air chances are you get caught. The only reason Warner isn't averaging less than 20 this series is the amount of times he has been DROPPED
The game hasn't changed since Bradman's day?!? I give up.
Tyger not Test cricket mate. Keep the ball to ground. This is not T20 or 50 overs. Principles to not getting out are the same as ever. Bat smart don't risk giving your wicket by hitting in the air all the time. Play the percentages. All the greats . Lara, Ponting, Tendulker were good due to timing and played the game according to the format. Hope your not coaching juniors sport. What will you say hit it in the air all the times
All the greats, eh, AS? You forgot Viv, Pollock, Hayden, Sehwag, Gilchrist . . .Oh, that's right, those guys somewhat undermine your argument, no?And yes I have coached juniors; did it for many years. I usually encourage them to play their natural game while developing an understanding of how the game is poised so they know when to attack and when to settle down a bit - that's what I mean by "gears".
South Africa will be keen to break this stand and get into the tail...
What's the weather like at St Ives
?? I fear you may have mistaken me for another Phil with a wonderful sense of humour...
I fear you may have mistaken me for another Phil with a wonderful sense of humour...
Yeah, he's Phil McCrevas not Phil McCracken.
I predict that Kyle Abbotts flattering bowling average of 7 is due for a correction in the next few overs.
Well, there's the first wicket thrown away. Let's see if this team has learnt the word "CONSOLIDATE" yet. You simply can't bat like millionaires all day, every day.
Tyger why not times have changed since Bradman you said. Now you say consolidate. That's how Test have been played for years. You don't push your luck hitting in the air. Show me an opening batting duo who often make 100 plus opening partnerships and ill show you batsmen that don't hit the ball in the air most shots. Don't try to hit a 6 every second ball and place the ball to ground between fielders.
The two are not mutually exclusive, AS. That's why I keep talking about "gears".As for your opening duos, the two best I've seen would be Greenidge-Haynes and Hayden-Langer. Remember how they played? Or simply more interested in besting me, now matter how much of a stretch that requires?
Quite frankly, I don't care how anyone bats. As long as long as Warner scores runs, he can do what he wants. He really should shut his mouth though and let his bat do the talking.
Tyger those players hit a lot less shots in the air than Warner. I'm a fan of Warners guys got the shots. He just need to realise he can score with timing and along the ground as well.
If Warner gets century we might let him keep talking to the press!
C'mon Aussie com on, c'mon on. Karmon Ozzy kmon.
Australia have shown true Aussie batting........ this is the end for SA and the Proteas.............
We're gunna win. Mate settle., lets see what we finally score and wait till the end of the Saffas 1st Innings.
Good to see Pup come in at 4. Lets hope he can find form. Then it will be interesting to see how Watson can perform if Warner and Clarke make a good score. Also good to see Warner giving no chances so far. Be nice if he cashes in and get 150 plus. Defiantly has the talent to score big.
David. Scene is set for pup to find form and score a nice 100. What's your thoughts? I also heard on the radio the umps appear to have questioned A.B about rubbing the ball with his gloves. Can you keep us informed if you see it. Warners whinge must have got to the umps
Well done Dave Warner. Let's hope he goes on with it bigtime. Perfect conditions for a highest score.
Davey boy walking the talk good to see
michael clarke must go. he looks so ordinary at test level. his golden year was a fluke , batting on flat pitches.
How many runs did you make in test cricket, as a matter of interest?
How many runs did you make in test cricket, as a matter of interest?
Drop latke. Good one mate. He makes 92 not out surviving some brilliant brutal bowling of Morkel. Mate when Ponting retired as Captain I thought Clarkes form was so poor he should be dropped. Lucky I had no say as once Captain he for. A couple of years averaged 60. Clarke is one of the best batsman in the world and like all has his slumps. I hope he makes 100 tomorrow then makes it a double. Anyone who dare criticises Pup after this innings is a fool
I think it's safe to say that you are gaaawn, Morkel. Pad up sunshine, it's gonna be ugly.
C'mon clakey, rope a dope beautiful, warner to just let the anchor set properly, don't get out now!!!!!
Got to love this. Morkel giving it to pup saying I can bowl like Mitch. Two teams with quality bowlers playing hard. Wish I could watch it live. Can pup see of the barrage and make a score?
Watch it Live! So do I...
Warner may be a dumb bogan but he sure can bat, brilliant innings but now we need another batsman to put his hand up to build a score upwards of 400.
C'Mon - Warner is not Dumb..... As 4 a Bogan that depends on where U place yourself in our caste system
Feel for Kyly Clarke. Must be tough seeing her husband hit like that. That's Test cricket and Morkel saying Johnson isn't the only bowler able to bowl brutal deliveries. Gutsy effort from Clarke inspirational
Get back in properly then unleash warner, Clakey accumulate and dominatego boys
I get this feeling - Someone has pissed off Clarke and it ain't Warner
Dave Warner is the best young opening batsman I have seen in my past 40 years of media commitments. What a tremendous knock in such a hostile environment.
Is that really you, Roy? At any rate, Warner and action are never far apart for too long. A journo's dream. Me, I love the guy. Maybe could keep the mouth shut more often, but if you actually listen to him he is not hateful - he's just full of beans. Speaks like he bats.
Is that really you, Roy? At any rate, Warner and action are never far apart for too long. A journo's dream.
Me, I love the guy. Maybe could keep the mouth shut more often, but if you actually listen to him he is not hateful - he's just full of beans. Speaks like he bats.
C'mon Clarky.Needs a score and this is the time to do it.
Needs a score and this is the time to do it.
Clarke's leadership went to another level today. That was a captain's knock reminiscent of Border, Waugh and ironically the player he most resembled at the beginning of his career, Kim Hughes.
What a way to wake up this morning!! Warner puts up and elevated captain Clarke stands up!! And yet again under pressure 'young' steve smith shows us all how tall he will stand - go Aussies
I think we have a good bowling lineup for this test. Lyon and Watson should be able to dry up the runs and give the other bowlers a breather. I want to see some good fiery spells from Johnson and Pattinson. But firstly Australia needs a big total on the board. 500+ would be good. And well done to Captain Courageous Clarkey.
Was great to see Warner have a chance less innings. Batted smarter and still scored at nearly 1 run per ball. He may mouth of however he is talented and willing to learn to improve his Test Cricket. As for Clarke. If ever a player deserves 100 it is him gutsy innings. Young Smith starting to look like Mr Reliable. Had my doubts about him once. This kid could be our next Captain chose to be a batsman over a spinner continues to develop his batting. Wish he would bowl more learn from Warne has ability. Lately every time Smith bats I no longer hope he will score 50 plus I expect it. He must be starting to believe he us a Test player
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