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As it happened: Shaw quits

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The Age's rolling coverage of Geoff Shaw's resignation from the Liberal Party and the repercussions for Premier Ted Baillieu.

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Shaw's resignation an 'exhilarating moment'

Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu faces the media following Geoff Shaw's resignation.

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AAP: Geoff Shaw’s resignation from the Liberal Party is bad news for the Victorian government and worse news for the Premier, a political analyst says.

Monash University politics lecturer Zareh Ghazarian says the defection of the MP to the crossbenches is the realisation of the Coalition’s worst fears.

But while the government may limp on if it secures Mr Shaw’s support for the budget, the pressure is increasing on its leader, Dr Ghazarian says.

Premier Ted Baillieu has been under siege, with speculation of a leadership challenge and the emergence of secret tapes reportedly involving his own chief of staff Tony Nutt.

This latest development will put further pressure on him.

"It weakens his standing in the electorate," Dr Ghazarian said.

"He's going to really struggle to survive."

The one thing that might save him from being booted out of the top job was the lack of a suitable replacement, Dr Ghazarian said.

Planning Minister Matthew Guy is the name most often linked with rumblings of a leadership change.

But he is an upper house MP and there is a perceived barrier, though not a constitutional one, to him taking on the top job.

Richard Willingham: Peter Ryan will  hold a press conference at 3.15pm on an Auditor-General's report.

Will be plenty of other questions to Mr Ryan on the week's events.

Josh Gordon: As Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews pointed out, don't expect a general election soon. In the short to medium term, the greater significance will be for Mr Baillieu's beleaguered leadership. If he was already in a world of pain yesterday, things are about to get a whole lot worse for him.

Read Josh Gordon's analysis here

Henrietta Cook: Monash University politics lecturer Nick Economou says Victorians could go to the polls early if the Budget was unable to pass the Lower House or if a vote of no confidence in the government was not resolved after nine days.

"If a bill of special importance is defeated, there is an opportunity for the Premier to ask for fresh elections.

"This is a supply crisis."

He said Mr Shaw now held the balance of power and if he voted with Labor and a bill became deadlocked, Speaker Ken Smith would have to exercise a casting vote.

But Mr Baillieu said today that he had no intention of making Mr Shaw speaker to resolve any potential deadlock.

Mr Economou said Mr Shaw was an erratic MP and he was not sure of his motives.

"I am not sure what his game is - is he trying to put pressure on the Liberal Party to change its leadership?"

He said Mr Baillieu has resolutely defended Mr Shaw throughout a series of scandals, including allegations he had used his parliamentary car to run his business.

"I am sure Mr Baillieu would have loved to get rid of him but he couldn’t because he doesn’t have the numbers."

Richard Willingham: It's surprising, given the rowdiness that only one Labor MP, Martin Foley of Albert Park, has been booted so far.

Last question from the Opposition. It's Mr Andrews again. He cites a rise in crime, unemployment, hospital waiting lists.

"Is it any wonder that so many of the Premier's colleagues think his time is up?"

Mr Baillieu says the level of spending on hospitals, infrastructure and other areas is up.

He was very fired up and challenged Labor to get on board and support the economy.

Final Dixer of the day goes to Transport and Roads Minister Terry Mulder, on texting while driving and new laws cracking down on the widespread practice.

He tells the story of a woman who died while texting and driving.

The house is silent.

Question Time ends.

Richard Willingham: In Parliament, the rowdiness continues ...

Mr Merlino asks Mr Bailieu, via a point of order, "Where is the Liberal Party's white knight?"

In Mr Andrews’ fourth question; he cites the 6.1 per cent unemployment rate and the fact Victoria has slipped into recession.

"When will the Premier start working to save Victorian jobs, rather than his own job?"

Premier: Mr Andrews doesn't understand the fundamentals of the economy. The economy is strong, interstate exports are a key component of the state economy.

"There are encouraging figures in today's data." He cites investment and consumption figures.

The Member for Mornington, David Morris asks Attorney-General Robert Clark a Dixer on organised crime and gang activity.

"The previous government failed to act on it ..." Clark says, pointing to the Baillieu government's tough anti-gang laws introduced late last year.

Richard Willingham: Mr Ryan took the second Dorothy Dixer of the day on an Auditor-General's report on unplanned leave in emergency services.

Mr Andrews asked the third question. He cited the ‘‘secret tapes scandal", the IBAC investigation, Geoff Shaw's resignation.

"Isnt it a fact that this government barely exists, and if it does it is paralysed by crisis?"

Premier Baillieu: "We have set out a very clear agenda."

Labor MPs erupt, interjecting "was a recession part of the agenda?"

Mr Baillieu then listed his Government's reforms, including stamp duty, ambulance membership costs, planning reform.

"We are leading the way on the NDIS and education reform,'' Mr Baillieu said.

Mr Andrews: "You are Gonski old boy!"

Deputy Labor Leader James Merlino raised a point of order: "If it is so good why did Geoff Shaw leave?"

The rowdy qeustion time is being watched from the galleries by many upper house from both sides of politics.

Mr Baillieu then took aDorothy Ddixer on the success of the White Night Festival.

Richard Willingham: Mr Andrews: Has the Premier received an assurance from the member for Frankston that he will support the government?

Premier Baillieu said the house had already tested the numbers on the floor. It won a vote 43-42 (it should be noted that there is one vacant seat - Tim Holding's old seat of Lyndhurst. Labor should win it, which would tie a vote 43-43 and give Mr Shaw a casting vote).

Richard Willingham: Question Time has began. It is rowdy, the Opposition's first question from Daniel Andrews to Premier Baillieu was whether the Premier valued his "majority more than his integrity".

Speaker Ken Smith ruled it out of order but Labor's Jacinta Allan challenged it. She had no luck.

The first Dorothy Dixer was about the expansion of the Mars chocolate factory in Ballarat.

Richard Willingham: Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews said the government was in "absolute crisis".
"This is a government that has stopped governing, they simply lurch from one crisis to the next that's not what Victorians voted for."
Mr Andrews said Labor did not know what Mr Shaw's intentions were.
Mr Andrews said getting to an election may be altogether more complicated than people think.
"Geoff Shaw has sacked Ted Baillieu, and that leaves Ted Baillieu with no majority and no integrity."
Mr Andrews said he did not want the chaos of Canberra, with MPs running out of parliament during votes, replicated.

AAP: Mr Andrews said he would not actively pursue Mr Shaw’s vote.

"How Mr Shaw votes is up to him," Mr Andrews said.

"I don’t think Mr Shaw will be offering his vote to anyone. I won't seek his vote and I will not seek to change the dynamic on the floor to seek his vote.

"That circus is run up in Canberra and I won’t be doing it here."

He said every Victorian is keen to see why Mr Shaw has effectively sacked Mr Baillieu and the Liberal Party.

"‘He is not so much running a government, he is running a complete and utter circus," he said.

"This government is doing nothing to deliver for the people of this state other than to lurch from one crisis to the next."

The Age: Mr Andrews, asked by reporters if he was prepared to talk to Mr Shaw about accepting his vote told reporters: "I won’t seek his vote and I wouldn’t seek to change the dynamic on the floor (of parliament)."
He also placed a different angle on the event: "Geoff Shaw has sacked Ted Baillieu."

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Would Labor take Geoff Shaw's vote?

Vic Labor leader Daniel Andrews quizzed over whether the vote of controversial ex-Liberal MP is tainted.

Richard Willingham: Premier Baillieu has emerged from the emergency coalition party meeting as leader.

He said he had not spoken to Mr Shaw, who gave the government a letter this morning.

Mr Baillieu said he was "very confident" he could run a strong government but he had not spoken to the Governor.

The premier said he would not call an early election.

"I'm not going to get into the details of what might and might not happen."

"We will govern with decisiveness and courage".Mr Baillieu said he did not know of any of the reasons why Mr Shaw resigned.

"I understand he will consider his position," Mr Baillieu said.The Premier said he did not believe Mr Shaw would quit parliament.

Asked if he was angry Mr Baillieu said "my job does not allow me the luxury of emotions."

The premier will still fly to India for a trade mission.

He batted away questions over his leadership, regarding Mr Shaw's resignation.

The Age: "I'm confident we can continue to govern," says Mr Baillieu, when he leaves the crisis meeting, and refuses to take questions. Then he heads off for question time in the Lower House.

Adrian Lowe: Premier Ted Baillieu has reaffirmed his support for two senior advisers as controversy swirls over their dealings with a disgraced former staffer - and as pressure continues to mount over his own leadership.

Read the full report here

Earlier report: Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu is facing criticism from his own backbench amid continuing leadership speculation but insists his government is united.

Liberal backbencher Bill Tilley said that while he believed Mr Baillieu was listening, the government's leadership team needed to revamp the way it dealt with the backbench.

Read the article here

Josh Gordon: Mr Shaw's resignation leaves the Coalition with 44 seats, the ALP with 43, although, as the Speaker does not vote by convention, the Coalition must rely on Mr Shaw's vote as an independent to remain in government. The coalition will need to convince the Victorian Governor. Alex Chernov, that Parliament remains workable.

Richard Willingham: Some ministers have now left the Premier's office They remain silent and look sullen.

Richard Willingham: Coalition MPs have filed into a special party meeting. Premier Baillieu did not respond to questions, he walked on with his deputy Peter Ryan. He was greeted by factional boss Inga Peulich as he entered.

Richard Willingham: Labor has already tested the numbers calling a division just before 1pm.
They lost the vote 43-42, but would have been 43 each if Lyndhurst is won by Labor at byelection, which they should.
Labor MPs shouted ‘‘crisis’’ during the vote.

Richard Willingham: Mr Baillieu's spokesman Paul price said the coalition would meet at 1pm to discuss the matter before question time without Mr Shaw.
Mr Price said there was "no horses that need claiming" in relation to speculation over the Premier's leadership.

Richard Willingham: Labor calls for a division in the lower house. Everyone is waiting to see if the member for Frankston turns up. So far, Shaw has made no appearance.

The Age: See our earlier breaking news coverage here:

Government may be in balance as MP quits

AAP: Mr Shaw's move has serious implications for the coalition’s grip on power.If he remains in parliament, the government would likely have to rely on Mr Shaw’s vote to pass laws.

The coalition now has 44 seats to Labor’s 42. Labor’s number will increase to 43 after the byelection for the safe Labor seat of Lyndhurst on April 27.

Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews said Mr Shaw would have to tick off everything the government wanted to do if he remained in parliament as an independent.

"It would seem that every piece of legislation, everything this government wants to do, will now have to be the product of a negotiation with Geoff Shaw, and in that endeavour I wish Ted Baillieu luck. I think he’ll need it," Mr Andrews told Fairfax Radio.

Senior coalition MPs, including most of the ministry, met Wednesday morning.Coalition members will have another gathering this afternoon when they will be advised of Mr Shaw's actions.

Mr Shaw will not attend that meeting.

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  • This would have to be the most insidious government that Victoria has ever had.

    Fell over the line with no policies because they never expected to attain power.

    Typical Liberal/National party mentality of cutting back of need services, but cronyism to the extreme, with property deals and developments given approval against the wishes of councils, and the people.

    All has come home to roost, especially with the announcement today that the state is now in recession.

    With all the cutbacks this was so predictable, and the same will happen in NSW & QLD.

    What a nightmare if that idiot "Tony the Rabbit" were to ever fall into power, it would be just another replay of the antics seen here in Victoria, but on a massive scale.

    Nothing but a bunch of amateurs parading as politicians!

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    Mooster
    Location
    Donvale
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 10:41PM
  • It funny how they quit when there is an investigation. It disgusting how they is there power to achieve things and to get things. They should investigated the whole Party especially the Planning Department as the number of high density developments being approved at VCAT is so alarming and a joke. They have done nothing to ensure the infrastructure has been taken in consideration or amenities. None of you talk to each other. Planning, Transport, education, health you all a joke to the state. Shaw has hit it on he nail he does not even know what is party is doing. If Ted Baillieu quits and Matthew Guy gets elected as leader it will be worse as he has ruined Footscray, Maribyrnong area and heaps of other areas with how much high rise development are being approved.

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    Jackie
    Location
    Footscray
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 7:41PM
  • Half term Ted?

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    russage
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    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 4:56PM
  • No doubt Baillieu will be responding to this latest crisis with his characteristic energy and dynamism reminiscent of a three-toed sloth on valium.

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    Bob
    Location
    Melb
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 4:32PM
  • Are the Spring Street shredding machines all serviced operational?

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    Stratos
    Location
    3044
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 4:00PM
  • Transparent Ted's looking a tad opaque.

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    Jon
    Location
    Torquay
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 3:25PM
  • It's all ok. According to Peter Reith on ABC 774 this morning, lying to Parliament is all just part of the cut and thrust of politics. The Liberals were just helping out someone who was on hard times when they shelled out $22k. This is the man who brought us Children Overboard, amongst other scandals. Clearly his moral compass is slightly different to mine. And he's a member of the Liberal party. No, sorry. Must be wrong. We all know the Liberals are whiter than white. It's only Julia and Labour that are liars and corrupt. What a bunch of pathetic hypocrites.

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    Cookymonster
    Location
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    March 06, 2013, 3:18PM
    • +1. And the sooner Australia realises the better. At least before September 15.

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      Jon
      Location
      Torquay
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 4:24PM
  • As a boy educated at "Grammar"
    As a man Ted just leads with a stammer
    Quite unsure what to do
    The majority's through
    For his head, watch the backbenchers clamour

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    hard edge
    Location
    Limerick heaven
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 3:09PM
  • it's just not fair - they had so much more to do before they had completely destroyed this State of Despair

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    Christopher
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    March 06, 2013, 2:49PM
  • Queenslands economy contracted .08% so our LNP government is beating the Victorain LNP in the race to the bottom.

    Joe'don't know" Hockey and "Slick" Abbott support both States LNP governments.

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    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:42PM
    • Bloody hell J Fraser stop using your gripe against "Slick" Abbott in relation to the goings on of the current Victorian Government.
      FWIW I don't support the Libs and I was a Public Servant who took a package down here but I'm entirely amazed The Age allows you to troll and SPAM as excessively as you do.
      Your point about Abbott supporting Vic and Qld is entirely irrelevant - do you think he isn't going to?
      Just give it up and get some much-needed help

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      BoDiddley
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      March 06, 2013, 2:51PM
  • "This is a government in turmoil, we must have a new election now..."
    T. Abbott.

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    Captain Grumpy
    Location
    Kingsville
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:36PM
    • Yes, to play back the vacuous slogans of Abbott and his backers we in Victoria need an election NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Harry
      Location
      Churchill
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:57PM
  • We just cant win can we?
    Bracks government had corrupt people (The Building Commission, Police)
    Baillieu has corrupt people (The Building Commission, Planning, Police)
    It is no point voting for anyone anymore as they all are liars, and corrupt all looking after their business mates not after the people - and NOW? a damn Recession caused by Baillieu's inaction.

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    HAST67
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:33PM
    • you know you don't have to vote for major parties, there are plenty of smaller parties & independents to vote for.

      It's becoming more obvious that the major parties are 'players' with personal interests that they put above the needs of the community at large.

      so perhaps it's time for some fresh blood & new ideas.

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      v0ter
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:47PM
    • The Greens have been pushing for years to get more transparency in Government. For example, a register of corporate donors to be released BEFORE the election, and a list of lobbyists and meetings held. If you want a more open, common sense, practical Government, with long term views that support people over profits, and communities over companies, then vote Green.

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      Riddley Walker
      Location
      Inland
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 3:36PM
  • This will make Peter Slipper's vote legitimate for "Slick" Abbott.

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    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:29PM
  • Victorian LNP always trying desperately to beat the Queensland LNP.

    And then we have "Slick" Abbott who supports both of them.

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    J. Fraser
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:25PM
    • Slick Abbott's, Slack Hockey. Shlock Morrison.

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      petern
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      March 06, 2013, 3:08PM
  • I don't believe he's quitting over allegations he misused his car.

    There needs to be a corruption inquiry by an independent body, to ensure this government is fully held to account.

    I suspect there's a lot more to this story than they plan for us to find out about.

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    sarajane
    Location
    melbourne
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:21PM
    • & It'll be a long time before we ever know, considering Teds track record on FOI & transparency.

      shambolic

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      v0ter
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 3:01PM
    • sarajane, I share many of your dreams - but politicians and political parties being held accountable - it's just not going to happen. And they don't actually mind being voted out as they were only doing a job for someone else. The only ones to get marginally upset are the ones who haven't quite qualified for the pension

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      Christopher
      Location
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      March 06, 2013, 3:24PM
    • Won't happen under Lib or Lab, as Labor would be frightened of being dragged through the muck as well. We need independents in parliament at the next election to break the stronghold this bunch of fools has on the system. Voter and I can't be the only ones here who want a fresh start, are we?

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      Mawashi
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 3:37PM
    • Mawashi, I agree and the sooner they announce themselves locally the better - so we can get to know them and support their campaigns - I just love Parliaments Hung on Independents.
      On another matter, and don't think I'm carping [carpe diem], but it is stranglehold rather than stronghold. Be good if it could be both!!

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      Christopher
      Location
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 5:15PM
  • I hadn't got to the bit about Baillieu saying they would govern with "decisiveness and courage" FCOL, RAOFL. Thanks Ted, that rib-shaking laughter was so cathartic.

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    Christopher
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    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:17PM
  • Someone get the Governor on the phone. This government has lost its legitimacy to govern. They have to go. Election now.

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    Nathan
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    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:16PM
    • Only the "right" that are allowed to say that one.
      And why has he resigned, no doubt they will be all tight lipped till "they" can invent some scenario.
      One thing about the libs' they don't leak like labor.

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      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 3:26PM
    • At present there is nothing that the Governor can do. Clearly the Libs have the confidence of the lower house of the Victorian Parliament (just) at the moment. We might not like what they are doing but just like with the Gillard Government there is no constitutional crisis and no other grounds for the Queen's representative to intervene.

      And country gal - the Libs will leak like a sieve if someone in there sees an advantage for themselves in it - just like the ALP side. Federal Libs have not been immune to it recently and the SA Libs are masters of the fine art of leaking to damage their own side.

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      Brett50
      Location
      Adelaide
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 4:02PM
    • Brett, I'll agree on SA Libs been watching there again of late.
      I'm ex SA so keep an eye on things.
      But they are a lot tighter here for some reason. Mind you with Bellyache teetering anything can happen.
      Wish they would federally, Ashbygate for one.

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      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 4:29PM
  • All's good!
    Except I don't fancy a Hung Parliament in Shaw's pocket - there'll be a sinkhole opening up in Spring Street for sure.
    Guy's just rushing through lunch to sign off the last two hundred planning permits before he has to shred his office.

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    Christopher
    Location
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:14PM
  • After merely 2 years this Victorian Coalition government is imploding. It suggests that the Government never really had a solid vision or leadership for it's first (and likely last) term serving the people of Victoria. Despite some significant stuff ups, Labor have shown they are serious and passionate about running the state an are on the front foot. The Coalition have shown arrogance, which suggests they thought running the state would be easy. It's leader doesn't look comfortable in the job and has poor media skills. A Premier should be out there everyday passionately selling their vision for the State, whether you agree with it or not. Interesting times.

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    Devil's Advocate
    Location
    South of Heaven
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 2:03PM
    • Perhaps he needs help from Costello or "Slick" Abbott.

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      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:28PM
  • Baillieu asked for our vote on a platform of transparency yet, he's set up an anti- corruption commision thats all gums and no teeth, and appointed an FOI commisioner who doesnt much like FOI requests. Clearly there's lots to hide.

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    Rascal
    Location
    Geelong
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 1:57PM
  • It's quite astounding. Julia Gillard has managed to make it through almost three years managing a minority government. But the Liberal Party can't even handle a fixed four year term with a majority.

    Seriously, what a joke! And they present themselves as a party who ought to be taken seriously.

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    Jason
    Location
    Box Hill
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 1:56PM
  • I really feel sorry for Baillieu, his "team" are either proven incompetents from a previous era or over-ambitious duds that are incapable of government.

    Labor deserved to go but the alternative has been nothing more than disappointing. Having the Liberals accidentally winning government has not done this state much good at all - when Bracks got in under similar circumstances at least the place went forward.

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    DC
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 1:51PM
  • does this mean we get an early election? I hope so so we can vote what has been a grossly inept government. Let's get them out before they do too much damage!!

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    v0ter
    Location
    melb
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 1:50PM
  • This happens on the same day Victoria slides into recession due to massive cuts in government spending. I hope everybody is happy with the way they voted.

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    Mike
    Location
    Date and time
    March 06, 2013, 1:46PM
    • The Queensland LNP are beating the Victorian LNP at both ends.

      "Slick" Abbott is going to have to have a hang dog expression for this one.

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      J. Fraser
      Location
      Queensland
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:27PM
    • +1 the Bailieu Knight Frank government has been the most developer led, old schoole tie gig i've seen in ages

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      pete
      Location
      melb
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:46PM
    • @Mike,

      very happy. I voted Labor. The other candidates in my electorate were a bunch of drop-kicks.

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      blu
      Location
      Geelong
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 2:57PM
    • mike, don't blame me I didn't vote for the wet tea towels.

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      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      March 06, 2013, 3:28PM
  • Ballieu walking proof that money and education are no substitute for commonsense and honesty. Whenever the election comes I will vote Labor for the first time since Joan Kirner. Believing that Andrews is probably not much use.

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    Bedlam
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    March 06, 2013, 1:18PM
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