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Victorian Parliament: June 10, 2014

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Josh Gordon, Richard Willingham and Henrietta Cook

Premier Denis Napthine at question time. Click for more photos

State Parliament crisis

Premier Denis Napthine at question time. Photo: Justin McManus

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Richard Willingham: The Premier has finished his press conference. Before he wrapped it up he said the decision was made without political consideration. 

If Geoff Shaw is suspended, the floor of the parliament will be deadlocked at 43 Government MPs to 43 ALP MPs. 

Until tomorrow...

The Premier says he expects the motion to suspend Geoff Shaw to come up just before or just after question time tomorrow, so around 2pm. He has also said he'd be surprised if Labor voted against it, which may come as news to Daniel Andrews who earlier said he would NOT support it... 

Denis Napthine Premier of Victoria at question time, State Parliament.

Denis Napthine Premier of Victoria at question time, State Parliament. Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willingham: Still at his press conference, the Premier says avoiding a byelection was never part of the government's considerations. 

It is still unclear whether Mr Shaw can vote on the motion.

"I don't have any regrets,'' Dr Napthine said when asked if he had any regrets about how the Coalition dealt with Mr Shaw since the saga began several years ago.

Richard Willingham: Dr Napthine, in response to questions, said he had not spoken to Mr Shaw since last Tuesday. 

"I think this is fair and reasonable,'' Dr Napthine said.

Asked if the punishment was designed to avoid a byelection in Frankston, Dr Napthine said the punishment was consistent with other states and the Commonwealth, citing Julia Gillard repaying money after her partner used a car to travel around Victoria. 

"I expect Ken Smith to give serious consideration to this motion,'' Dr Napthine said.

Some more reaction to the motion to suspend Geoff Shaw... 

Richard Willingham: ... Expulsion, Dr Napthine said, was reserved for only the most serious of offences.

If he does not apologize, "if he thumbs his nose" Dr Napthine said, Mr Shaw would have crossed the line.

Richard WIllingham: Premier Napthine has said the punishment was consistent with other jurisdictions.

He confirmed Mr Shaw would be suspended for 11 sitting days, losing $386 for each sitting day he misses.

"This sets a timeline for which the member for Frankston must comply with the orders of the house,'' Dr Napthine said.

"If he doesn't comply he will be in contempt.''

The Premier's press conference continues - he says an apology is important as Shaw has shown no remorse for his actions... he also says if Shaw does not comply with the conditions he will be in contempt and will then be expelled.

Richard Willingham: The Premier says since the initial privileges committee report was tabled Mr Shaw has shown "disdain" for the the Parliament and the committee, which is why the punishment goes beyond the initial recommendations, which was a fine.

Richard Willingham: Premier Napthine says his priority is to always to govern properly for the people of Victoria which is why the budget was passed first.

"[the motion] We believe it deals appropriately and effectively with the wrongdoings."

 

Henrietta Cook: Former Speaker Ken Smith would not comment on the government's move to suspend Mr Shaw.
It is understood Mr Smith has not yet decided how he will vote, and whether he will support Labor's move to expel Mr Shaw.

Some more Twitter reaction...

The Premier will hold a press conference shortly to defend his attempt to suspend Geoff Shaw rather than expel him...

Henrietta Cook reports it is unlikely Geoff Shaw will be "named" - which would mean he would continue to receive pay while suspended...

Richard Willingham:  

In front of a banner reading "Victorian Labor: Putting People First" Labor leader Daniel Andrews has vowed to continue to pursue an expulsion of Geoff Shaw.
"Denis Napthine talked tough last week, he is acting weak now.''
The Labor leader said the punishment was "gardening leave" with the MP to only go without pay for 11 sitting days, as he is being "named'' by the speaker. 

The Premier is due to hold a press conference shortly.

 

If Geoff Shaw is suspended he will lose 11 sitting days' pay... Daniel Andrews calls the suspension motion a slap on the wrist.

Richard Willingham: Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews has called Dr Napthine's plan a continuation of the chaos and circus that is state parliament.

He said Labor did NOT support the motion to suspend Geoff Shaw.
Mr Andrews said Dr Napthine lacked the character to act in the best interests of Victoria.
"Denis Napthine is running a protection racket for Geoff Shaw,'' Mr Andrews said.

The Premier and the Deputy Premier will address the media at 4:45pm...

Richard Willingham: To clarify, there is no mention of pay in the motion to suspend Geoff Shaw. If you are "named" the current tradition is to donate your pay to charity (this is not a law, more a parliamentary convention)...

The motion to suspend Geoff Shaw does not say how long the suspension would be for. But it is believed it would be without pay. 

A byelection in Frankston is now very unlikely if the proposal put forward by the Premier succeeds tomorrow... 

The Daniel Andrews press conference is now expected at 4:30pm...

Richard WIllingham: Premier Denis Napthine has given notice that tomorrow the Parliament will deal with the Geoff Shaw matter.

In summary:

- Shaw must apologise 

- Shaw will be suspended

- Shaw will be fined

- He will be banned from interstate or overseas travel funded by his electoral budget

- If he does not comply with the motion by September 2 he will be expelled

Denis Napthine has tabled this motion to suspend Geoff Shaw... and if he doesn't comply with these demands he will be expelled.

The third budget bill has passed... 

Unexpectedly, the Government appears to be letting the budget pass through fairly quickly. We had expected a long, long afternoon while it dragged the debate out ... thus delaying the Shaw issue. 

Richard Willingham: The second budget bill has now been passed by the lower house and we're onto the last. We may get onto the Shaw matter soon rather than later... 

Labor has moved to pass the second part of the budget...

Richard Willingham: The first part of the budget has been passed by the lower house. The Premier Denis Napthine is in the house, Labor's Jacinta Allan moved but was denied the opportunity to debate the final two bills together. Dr Napthine was very quick to deny leave.

Here’s a wrap of the first 90 minutes of the Victorian Parliament today…

  • As predicted Labor tried to move to bring on the Shaw matter as soon as Parliament began, it was immediately shut down before the motion has fully read out.
  • The Premier was hounded in question time about the claims Shaw demanded a judicial appointment. Questions that he did not answer directly.
  • The Budget debate was put at the top of the Parliament's agenda, but no business plan was voted on.
  • The Budget debate is set to begin soon.
  • The government can move to bring on the Shaw matter whenever it wants.
  • Geoff Shaw attended parliament and told reporters both sides of politics were trying to muzzle him.
  • Government MPs were still not told about the leadership's plans for the Shaw matter, they were told during a morning meeting to "trust" Napthine and his ministers.
  • Labor leader Daniel Andrews is to hold a press conference at 4.15pm in Parliament.

Richard Willingham: An important clarification on the budget debate that has been lost in the chaos:

A vote on the budget could be held at any time, and any MP that still wishes to speak on the budget after it has passed will be able to do so at a later date. 

 

Richard Willingham: It should be noted the government can move to debate the Shaw matter whenever it likes, so could pull it on swiftly without notice.

All it requires is for leave from the normal process of parliament to be granted, which is likely to be allowed. Labor could then move to amend any motion to push for an expulsion. 
While members' statements are being heard Ken Smith is having a one-on-one chat with Leader of Government business Louise Asher.

Richard Willingham: The lower house has cleared out a bit now, about 40 MPs remain including former Premier Ted Baillieu.

MPs are now giving regular members' statements.

Some of the response to the day's events from Twitter...

Geoff Shaw gives an impromptu lesson: "These guys are vultures"... pointing at the assembled journalists. Quite.

There's apparently a celebrity in Parliament today...

Daniel Andrews will hold a press conference in parliament at 4pm...

Labor leader Daniel Andrews: wants Geoff Shaw expelled.

Labor leader Daniel Andrews: wants Geoff Shaw expelled. Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willngham: To recap, the Government has moved that all MPs can speak on the budget for 15 minutes, which means we are in for a long one.

Interestingly the government has made no attempt to move a business program. A program gives the government power to control the agenda.
A vote of the business program would have needed Shaw's vote, Labor's Jacinta Allan accuses the government of cowardice.
She reiterates that Labor will pass the budget and that the Shaw matter must be dealt with today.

Geoff Shaw has left the chamber. It now looks like a long, dreary afternoon ahead with debate on the budget. MPs are allowed 15 minutes each to speak on it...

We're now waiting to see if the government will table the budget ... and whether there will be an argument about it.

What do you think should happen to Geoff Shaw? Take our poll here...

Geoff Shaw in question time...

Geoff Shaw in question time... Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willingham: Those notices are followed by more from Government MPs on the budget and the need to pass it ASAP.

Daniel Andrews gives notice of a motion on the next day of sitting that "The house finds that Mr Shaw is guilty of contempt of the Parliament, and that he be therefore immediately expelled from this house".

This motion now goes on the notice paper and may never see the light of day. It's followed by a few other motions from Labor about holding Shaw to account.

 

Henrietta Cook: And Premier Denis Napthine says "hi!" to high school students on his way out of the chamber...

Richard Willingham: The Treasurer tries to fire up the government with last dixer.

Question Time is now over.
Geoff Shaw waits in the wings...

Geoff Shaw waits in the wings... Photo: Justin McManus

Henrietta Cook: Ken Smith - the former Speaker whose vote is critical - is resting his chin on his hand. He looks pensive.

Josh Gordon: Question time has become bogged down in obscure points of order. Situation normal...

Richard Willingham: Denis Napthine is now repeating that his government has a proper process for judicial appointments.

And on to the last dixer from Michael Gidley (Mount Waverley) to Treasurer Michael O'Brien on financial management.
Silly games now as Labor complain there were too many questions within the dixer (which was about financial management)...
(Welcome to the circus)

Richard Willingham: "I have been very consistent," Napthine says.

He says that when Shaw raised the judicial appointments he told him it was not the way his government worked. 
... and there's yet another Point of Order on relevance.
"I have been very consistent": Denis Napthine.

"I have been very consistent": Denis Napthine. Photo: Justin McManus

"I don't accept the premise of the question,'' Napthine declares in response ...  He calls the question from Daniel Andrews "long-winded and rambling".

Daniel Andrews goes on the attack again, telling Denis Napthine the story changes every five minutes and asking why the Victorian people should believe he won't be held to ransom by Geoff Shaw again... 

Josh Gordon: A big question will be how the government members of the privileges committee handle any contempt motion against Geoff Shaw. Having recommended that he not be found to be in contempt how will they vote if Napthine pushes ahead with an alternative harsher sanction that fits with the Premier's tough talk? 

Richard Willingham: The Premier says he has been "consistent and frank" in his comments on the matter of Shaw's demands on judicial appointments. 

Meanwhile Shaw sits in the back row with a wry smirk on his face.

 

Geoff Shaw: his fate hangs in the balance today.

Geoff Shaw: his fate hangs in the balance today. Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willingham: The Coalition backbenchers look pretty flat. 

Question 4 from Andrews to the Premier refers to discrepancies between the Premier's comments today in Parliament and last Tuesday night's press conference.
He asks who did Shaw asked to be appointed and to which court.
"I do not except the premise of the question.'' Napthine says...

Josh Gordon: Meanwhile the government is doing its best to make it seem like it's business as normal. Chaos as normal perhaps?

Geoff Shaw seems to be mildly enjoying all the fuss... 

Geoff Shaw: bemused...

Geoff Shaw: bemused... Photo: Justin McManus

Josh Gordon tells us Denis Napthine told the Liberal party room to trust the upper and lower house leadership teams there was a plan to deal with Geoff Shaw saga. But the backbench is increasingly tetchy with claims the issue has been mishandled.

Denis Napthine Premier of Victoria at question time, State Parliament.

Denis Napthine Premier of Victoria at question time, State Parliament. Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willingham: Point of Order ping-pong has begun, a regular event in Victorian Parliament. Andrews has a point of order ruled out. Speaker Fyffe says he is being "disrespectful to the chair." The Premier says Shaw raised the issue of judicial appointments (still wont say who) - another Point of Order from Andrews, again on relevance.

Analysis from The Age's Josh Gordon, who says: "Napthine's previous accusation that Geoff Shaw made an "outrageous" demand for a particular judicial appointment seems to have softened. The Premier now suggests shaw expressed concern about judicial appointments made under Labor."

Richard Willingham: Question 3 from Daniel Andrews to Premier Napthine (see below) refers to last Tuesday's press conference when Dr Napthine talked about a "particular judicial appointment." Andrews asks, why did the Premier not refer this IBAC or Victoria Police? Napthine starts his response saying he has had a number of discussions with Shaw in recent times, particularly relating to bills in the house to ensure the independent MP is well informed...

Richard Willingham: With Labor's motion denied it is hard to see the Shaw matter being dealt with soon, but at the moment on Spring St it is very hard to predict.

Question time continues: Daniel Andrews asks the Premier why did he not refer Geoff Shaw's attempt to influence judicial appointments to IBAC or the police?

Labor leader Daniel Andrews: wants Geoff Shaw expelled.

Labor leader Daniel Andrews: wants Geoff Shaw expelled. Photo: Justin McManus

Geoff Shaw is looking "bemused", says Henrietta Cook... 

Richard Willingham: Question 2 from Daniel Andrews to Premier Napthine asks when Geoff Shaw made the "outrageous demand" that the Premier so furiously denied.

The Premier re-caps that Shaw said he had concerns about previous appointments made by the last Labor government.
The Premier says "earlier this year" and says it was "unacceptable"...
Geoff Shaw at State Parliament for Question time.

Geoff Shaw at State Parliament for Question time. Photo: Justin McManus

Here's another snap of Geoff Shaw's cheer squad...

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/its-a-sorry-state-all-round-with-mr-shaw-20140609-39t65.html?rand=1402354424702

"It's a sorry state all round with Mr Shaw..." The Age's editorial from earlier today...

Richard Willingham: The Premier says Geoff Shaw expressed disappointment to him about the standard of the judicial appointments under the previous government.

Readers may remember that last week Dr Napthine said Mr Shaw had indicated that the Frankston MP had asked him to make judicial appointments...

This is the motion Labor wanted to move when Parliament resumed... "That so much of standing orders be suspended such that would prevent the House from immediately moving to consider the Privileges Committee report into the inquiry in relation to recommendation 2 of the Ombudsman's report Whistelblowers Protection Act 2001: Investigation into allegations against Mr Geoff Shaw MP"

Richard Willingham:

Question time begins with Daniel Andrews asking the Premier about the "outrageous demands" Shaw made.
"Who did the member of Frankston ask you to appoint?"

Richard Willingham: To recap, as predicted Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews immediately asked for leave to move to suspend standing orders to discuss the Shaw matter. He was denied before he had even finished his motion.

Yelling erupted with Napthine and government accused of being gutless.

Labor MPs are rumbling again about the Goverment "running a protection racket"for Geoff Shaw. 

Labor leader Daniel Andrews tried to put a motion to suspend standing orders to begin the process of expelling Geoff Shaw but was quashed... he's accused the government of an act of weakness.

Richard Willingham: Geoff Shaw has joined all MPs for the beginning of Parliament. He's talked to Nationals MPs who he sits near...

Henrietta Cook: Geoff Shaw is keen to surround himself with supporters today. In an unusual move, he has brought five staff members from his Frankston office to parliament. They talked intently in the parliamentary dining room before question time.

A member of the public rang in to tell us that the public seats in Parliament are completely occupied - only six seats were available once the lucky students of Huntingtower School trooped in. Latecomers are being offered seats to view debate in the upper house. 

Richard Willingham also writes from Spring Street it is a sign that Dr Napthine is losing authority in his own party that Liberal MPs are questioning Dr Napthine’s decision cut Mr Shaw adrift be declaring he would not be held to ransom from a rogue MP from Frankston, warning it had placed the government in an extremely serious position...

As Parliament resumes, Richard Willingham writes Labor will attempt to introduce a motion to expel Geoff Shaw from the Parliament. The opposition has also signalled it would be prepared to negotiate to ensure the Parliament continues to function until the November 29 election due-day if the Coalition loses the numbers needed to govern.

Richard Willingham: Liberal MPs have been keep in the dark over Denis Napthine’s strategy to deal with the Geoff Shaw saga, with the premier pleading with colleagues today to ‘‘trust’’ the upper and lower house leadership teams.

Ahead of an attempt by Labor move to expel the balance of power independent from parliament, Liberal MPs have expressed deep concerns about Dr Napthine’s handling of the political crisis.

One MP said Dr Napthine’s request to the Liberal party room on Tuesday had left backbenchers deeply worried, with questions raised about the premier’s decision to lash out at Mr Shaw last week and his inability to rein in former speaker Ken Smith.

Frankston MP Geoff Shaw arriving at Parliament.

Frankston MP Geoff Shaw arriving at Parliament. Photo: Justin McManus JZM

Parliament resumes in just over five minutes and the gallery is packed. 

Henrietta Cook: Jenny Smith and partner 'Woof” are a colourful but lonely sight on the steps of State Parliament. They are the sole Geoff Shaw supporters, and say the maverick MP has been treated unfairly.

Jenny is wearing a knitted rainbow beanie and carries a placard that reads “Geoff Shaw: a pigeon among the cats.”

“I am big believer in Geoff Shaw. I think they are picking on him because he comes from Frankston,” she says.

'Woof' is wearing a furry dog costume, because he says Frankston residents are treated like dogs.

The couple want more police in the marginal seat, and say there has been trouble on their street, in the housing commission area of Frankston known as “The Pines”. 

Geoff Shaw's supporters Jenny Smith and "Woof the Mongrel from Frankston"

Geoff Shaw's supporters Jenny Smith and "Woof the Mongrel from Frankston" Photo: Justin McManus JZM

"Being a dickhead - as one senior MP eloquently put it - is no reason to be booted from the Parliament." Josh Gordon's analysis of the events leading up to today's showdown...

Defiant Frankston MP Geoff Shaw has accused Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews and Premier Denis Napthine of muzzling him, and said they showed a “disgraceful” lack of leadership: FULL STORY

Geoff Shaw arrives at Parliament on Tuesday.

Geoff Shaw arrives at Parliament on Tuesday. Photo: Justin McManus

Richard Willingham: What we know so far:

  • Labor will move, as soon as Parliament begins, that the Shaw matter be dealt with first.
  • Government set to resist that move.
  • Question Time should follow; it usually lasts about an hour. Labor is likely focus on the government’s reluctance to deal with the matter in question time.
  • The government says its focus is passing the budget, accuses Labor of planning to block some elements. Labor says it will pass the budget IN FULL and will waive its right to talk on the bills.
  • Deputy Premier Peter Ryan says passing the budget could take until 10pm Tuesday, says Shaw matter will be resolved by 4pm Thursday.
  • Government still will not say how it plans to punish Shaw.
  • Original recommendation from privileges committee was to fine Shaw, some in government want him suspended.
  • Premier Denis Napthine has vowed to no longer be held to ransom by Shaw.
  • Former Speaker, now Liberal backbencher, Ken Smith is the critical vote. He wants Shaw out of parliament and has indicated he would back an expulsion.
  • Napthine did not tell the party room meeting this morning what the legal advice or plan is on Shaw. Told MPs to "trust" the leadership. 
  • It's still unclear how Smith will vote.

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  • I started to laugh at this stuff, thinking that in this increasingly stupid and nasty country at least somebody was doing their best to cheer us all up. But then I realised, that as a state school teacher, I actually work for these clowns. Sigh.

    Commenter
    Peter
    Location
    Frankston
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 5:15PM
  • Will the Age journalists check to ensure that the Premier's plan to expel the Frankston member is legally sound; and properly recognises the inalienable rights (ahead of all others') of Frankston Citizens to choose their Representative?

    If so, how will Age journalists report this according to the MEAA Code of Ethics; rather than the Age Charter of Independence?
    Bob Simpson
    AMEP

    Commenter
    Bob Simpson
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 5:10PM
  • Napthine thinks Victorians are stupid. This slap on the wrist motion is a deal that will ensure that Shaw backs the Government in a no-confidence vote in return for leaving him in parliament until November, thus avoiding the ignominy of being kicked out.

    Commenter
    DrPhil
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 5:06PM
  • The Government motion is a sensible way to deal with this idiot. It gives him a chance to pull his head in and start acting decently. It certainly penalises him with the immediate effect being that his proposal to fly to France next month with his girlfriend is now not possible unless he funds the trip out of his own pocket. Those who are braying that Napthine has been weak, like that walking megaphone Andrews, need to stop and have a good think about the situation. If Shaw fully complies with the terms of the Government motion he will punished and humiliated. He deserves that.

    Commenter
    Robbo
    Location
    Mt Eliza
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 5:02PM
  • If labor sends me to the polls earlier than November over this I am going to be pissed!

    Commenter
    Snoozin
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 4:58PM
    • What possible difference can an hour in November or earlier make to you? Find something adult to criticize Labor for if you must but please????

      Commenter
      bernie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:20PM
  • If my memory serves me right, Premier Napthine hasn't had a nickname which has stuck. From a random selection of constituents in our beautiful rural township, I asked people what a suitiable nickname might be. Aside from abusive ones which might breach community standards or people offering him a spine, only one gave this nickname,
    SHOWBAG. When I asked for an explanation he replied, "What do you see when you open a showbag, It's full of ****.
    Think about it." I still am.

    Commenter
    Chairman Kaga
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 4:57PM
    • Given his ownership of racehorse"Spin The Bottle" I'd suggest "Bottle" because he doesn't have any but he has got plenty of spin!

      Commenter
      bernie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:27PM
  • Isn't the point that Shaw is now trying to influence judicial appointments? That's way beyond the pale and in a completely different category than using his parliamentary car for his private business (which is, of course, plain theft)

    Commenter
    The Judge
    Location
    Coburg
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 4:44PM
  • What a damp squib of a Labor opposition we have in Victoria. They didn't even know the correct parliamentary procedure and tactics to adopt to get rid of Geoff Shaw and were completely outmanoeuvred by the Govt. Andrews couldn't even lay a glove on Nathine in QT with poorly structured & inane questions. What a rabble! Meanwhile Napthine and his team demonstrated in their answers to questions they were getting on with government, which is what they were elected to do.

    Commenter
    Pollie watcher
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 4:06PM
    • If I thought you had any idea what the hell you're talking about I'd take the trouble to argue with you!

      Commenter
      bernie
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:24PM
    • What was "the correct parliamentary procedure"? They couldn't put a motion and they weren't guaranteed Ken Smith's vote on any motion regardless. What do you know that Labor don't?

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:58PM
    • The word limit would be well and truly breached commenting on "what Labor don't know"!

      Commenter
      Allan
      Location
      Date and time
      June 11, 2014, 10:27AM
  • Napthine can't have it both ways ... first whinging about Shaw and then supporting him so their fingertip tenure on Govt doesn't collapse. This is nothing but a circus at the taxpayers expense and Napthine and his mob ought to resign immediately.

    Commenter
    MP
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 3:45PM
  • Watched it from the Gallery as Shaw backed the government in passing a fees amendment that adversely affected severely disabled people in DHS residential accommodation. Will never forgive him. I want him gone....yesterday.

    Commenter
    Mum
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 3:41PM
  • The obvious question, who is running the parliament ? One could ask the same question federally as well. Sir Humphery would be in his element.

    Commenter
    Donpa
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 3:29PM
  • Richard Willingham: perhaps Napthine did not "accept" the premise of Andrews' question; he certainly didn't "except" it.

    Commenter
    Steve Gardner
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 3:18PM
  • Interesting comments from the Treasurer in regard to the importance of a Triple A Credit Rating and the impact....must be different at a Federal Level, as it seems to mean nothing to the Liberal Party....hmmm, doesn't seem to suit the emergency budget scaremongering...

    Commenter
    Hmmm
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:55PM
  • Not a fan of Shaw but he was duly elected. What about all the other MPs who misused their entitlements, they weren't booted out of parliment.

    Commenter
    Darryl Melbourne
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:55PM
  • Can anyone explain the function of "Dixer" questions? Both sides use them to crap on about anything they want, why are they allowed?

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:41PM
    • To waste time and pure marketing. The quality of both State and Fed QT has seriously been compromised in recent years. I guess it comes down to the calibre of the players.
      Looks like a tussle tomm. Who knows how it will end.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:16PM
  • Keep putting the motion Labor, it makes the Liberals look more and more gutless.When it comes to the crunch hey run away.

    Commenter
    freddy
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:29PM
  • Watching live as well on Sky News.
    We are paying these people to manage our State. What shameless mob. How can any of them remain as our representatives when none has any care for except themselves.
    Is this is as good as we deserve?

    Commenter
    Richard
    Location
    Victoria
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:28PM
  • Did he bring cardboard boxes to work or are they supplied?

    Commenter
    A country gal
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:22PM
    • acg
      I hope someone's there on behalf of the taxpayer checking each item as he removes it from his office!

      Commenter
      rext
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:53PM
  • I'm pretty sure if I used a work car for any purpose other than for work, I would get sacked.
    Shaw, get out. Just leave.

    Commenter
    Darren
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:22PM
    • You must have a pretty harsh boss, normally when you get a company car its leased and a tax write off, I dont think I have ever heard of employers being sacked for using a "work" car after hours, I think you need to take off those rose colored glasses, the man holds the balance of power in parliament, that's why they want him gone, hes a scapegoat.

      Commenter
      Geoff
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 4:23PM
    • Geoff, not sure your boss would be so happy if you used your company car in your other job(s) which is what Geoff Shaw has done.
      Scapegoat? Maybe but not an innocent one apparently.

      Commenter
      Brett50
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:51PM
  • Typical libs, shutting down debate so they can save their sorry arses.

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:17PM
    • Not going to work this time though is it? Nothing can save them now. One term LNP Governments in Victoria and Federally. Good at their jobs aren't they?

      Commenter
      fred
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:55PM
  • The libs should only be able to see out this term if they go to the people with the E-W Link, which they have NO mandate for. Instead of leaving as their legacy after they get kicked out in Nov an expensive lemon.

    Commenter
    davemac
    Location
    Melbourne
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:14PM
    • 'Expensive lemon...' And what of the Desal lemon?

      Commenter
      Richard
      Location
      Victoria
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 2:30PM
    • Fair enough and I wasn't thrilled with it either. However things might change when the next big drought hits so I'm keeping an open mind. And also....two wrongs don't make a right, the Libs campaigned and got in on public transport, and true to form they resort to type and build more roads that are clogged within 5 years.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 2:38PM
    • @Richard, you mean like the one Baillieu took to the 2006 election?

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 2:44PM
    • Yes Dags, the one the Libs took to the election which was a third of the size/cost. Labor didn't want one, then did a backflip and decided they needed to be more impressive so tripled the size of the one the Libs wanted. And then their union mates got those nice 200k/year for 20 hours work jobs to bump up the price.

      Commenter
      David
      Location
      OutEast
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:16PM
    • Dags, the one Baillieu took to the 2006 election was going to be less than half the size (and cost). It would have been more than enough for our foreseeable needs. Don't try and rewrite history.

      Commenter
      Pete
      Location
      Port Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:36PM
    • davemac the other point is that the East West link will not be a lemon! You even admit it by saying the road will be clogged within 5 years (not that you based that on fact). An unused road (like an unused over the top desal plant) would be a lemon. A motorway that takes traffic off suburban streets is benefit.

      Commenter
      Pete
      Location
      Port Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:39PM
    • Richard
      Given the projected growth in Victoria's population and the historical inevitability of serious drought where are you suggesting we'll get our water from in the future if not from a desal plant?

      Commenter
      fred
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:58PM
    • @Richard - desal will be needed you can bet your bottom dollar on it - 3 years of la nina rains have helped create the illusion rains have swung back to normal - we are now heading back to el nino as the weather now swings in extremes due to the impacts of climate change - the proof will be in the pudding and egg on all those extremely irresponsible "deniers" faces

      Commenter
      julia
      Location
      central vic
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 4:05PM
    • @Pete - just using lets see...City Link as an example, tried getting across the Bolte in the morning? You just can't get ahead of the congestion curve, and smart govts realise that. It's always 'this is the vital link we need', then 5 yrs later its another one. We need more imagination than just building more roads - how about a train line down the Eastern freeway? EW will cause a lot of damage to parks, and all it will do is redistribute traffic - regardless of the lies that the libs come up with, most traffic in the peak is into/out of the city, not crosstown. If this is such a great project, why the secrecy and the outright lying when it comes to ROI figures? Libs have no imagination or vision. They used to, but not any more.

      Commenter
      davemac
      Location
      Melbourne
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 5:23PM
    • @David and @Pete, you don't seriously expect me to believe the figure that the Liberals claim something will cost before an election has any relation to the actual cost to build? I guess Southland station will have a carpark and all modern amenities for $13m too?

      Commenter
      Dags
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 6:08PM
    • Agree. Desal was a lemon. But contracts signed in the midst of the worst drought ever. Regardless, where are the traffic modeling, economic modeling and financial modeling to support east west link? Where is the benefit cost ratio? Where is all the estimation data they demanded of regional rail link?? The same rail link they now take credit for?? They WILL win the next election based on the eastern suburb votes (ie. the people that count), whilst the f**k up Melbourne and Victoria. They will keep eastern suburbs workers sweet on this project when they come off regional rail link, they vote for them (actually their parents will, no one under 50 can afford to live eastern suburbs, just aspire to) and get employed. Break the mould people!!! Liberals should have expelled Shaw!!! Corrupt!!!

      Commenter
      Kate
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 10:13PM
  • No doubt about it if you want stable, reliable and competent Government vote 1 Liberal!

    Commenter
    rext
    Location
    Date and time
    June 10, 2014, 2:00PM
    • Depends on your definition of stable government. Reliable, competent and stable, hm what are you smoking?

      Commenter
      freddy
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 2:31PM
    • Rext, presume you forgot to write 'last'.

      Commenter
      A country gal
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 2:38PM
    • @freddy
      I think he meant "stable" as in crap all over the floor.

      Commenter
      DavidS
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:18PM
    • freddy
      It was sarcasm. Well deserved sarcasm.

      Commenter
      rext
      Location
      Date and time
      June 10, 2014, 3:50PM

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