Steve Murphy and Javier Pena have been called many things during their time in law enforcement.
Most are not good - "you can't repeat them in mixed company" - but the one name which they now spend their lives trying to correct is "American heroes".
Murphy and Pena were the US Drug Enforcement Administration agents leading the investigation against Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar. For years, they were in the thick of it, living and working in the Colombian city of Medellin, alongside the National Police of Colombia to take down the King of Cocaine.
"We were just professional cops, professional law enforcement officers, who got to work a really big case," Murphy explains.
"What we want the world to know is if people don't remember anything else we tell them in our presentations, it's this: the true heroes are the Colombian National Police because they took their country back."
Murphy and Pano will be in Canberra later this month to set the record straight.
While Netflix's Narcos - a series based off of the duo's investigation into Escobar - depicts Murphy as present at the drug lord's death. This was not the case, and both Murphy and Pena put this inaccuracy - and others in the show - down to Hollywood spin.
When Escobar was shot dead on the roof of a Colombian house, Murphy was waiting in the office of Colonel Hugo Martinez of the Colombian National Police. Meanwhile, Pena was sent on a "wild goose chase" to Miami.
"That's one of the disappointing points for me, over this whole thing was that I was [in Medellin] and Javier wasn't," Murphy says.
"I was in Colombia for three years, Javier was there six-and-a-half years. I just always kind of felt bad about that.
"But it shows in Narcos that I was on the roof when Pablo was killed. That's not true, I wasn't there.
"When Escobar was having a gun battle with Colombian National Police, I was in Colonel Martinez' office. I drove out with Colonel Martinez after the fact."
That is not to take away from the experiences which Murphy and Pena did endure.
The world had not seen anyone like Escobar before and - when it comes to the magnitude and lengths that the drug lord went to - has not been seen since.
"We really didn't know how to deal with that," Pena remembers.
The pair were up against the world's first narcoterrorist.
Escobar was a man who turned over US$21.9 billion a year and to date is still the richest criminal in history, worth about US$30 billion at the time of his death. But it all came at a cost that Escobar himself didn't have to pay.
He was in such a powerful position that he was able to declare war on his own country.
"We went to a lot of funerals. We went to one which had eight coffins in the church," Pena says.
"Every day it was something different. Every day a car bombing, a kidnapping ... a bombing of an airline, a bombing of a building, a killing of a politician.
"It was a daily occurrence of something that we had not seen [before]."
The distance of time can make it easy to see these instances simply as Narcos' plotlines, but for Pena and Murphy, it was their reality for years. For the rest of the world, it's history.
"The sad thing is there is so much money involved in the narcotics business," Murphy says.
"People say, did we really have any real effect, a true effect on cocaine in the United States by taking out Pablo Escobar and the Medellin drug cartel?
"Well we did, but it probably only lasted a couple of weeks. We know the Cali cartel stepped up, and then we took them out, and then the Northern Valley cartel stepped up and we took them out ... and the reality is can you still buy cocaine on any street corner in the United States? The answer is yes.
"But will there ever be anyone of his magnitude again? I don't think so."
- A Conversation on Narcos with Steve Murphy and Javier Pena will be at the Canberra Theatre on July 27.